Hi David, I really enjoy your channel! Since you recently tested the 2021 Giant TCR with Giant branded SLR1 42mm Hookless tubeless wheels, how do the Giant wheels compare to the Zipps? I'm getting a 2021 Defy advanced Pro and they come with the same wheels (the SLR2 actually) and I'm curious how they would stack up to the Zipp? Having a good pair of carbon aero wheels right out of the box is what made decide on the Defy instead of getting a Domane or a Roubaix. I would loved to know your opinion, perhaps a new video idea for you!!! Thanks and again your content is great!
@@HowayTheMags if you can read korean, it's here www.giant-bicycles.com/kr/bikes-propel-advanced-sl-disc-2021 hopefully someone can translate for us though
@@HowayTheMags My local lbs showed me the pictures and specs. They're already ordering 2021 bikes. I suppose that Giant has started production on their 2021 range sooner this year. I think it's a smart move from Giant to spec the pro models with their 42mm aero wheels instead of last year's 30mm. Really saves me from buying another wheelset.
I am curious aswell, and i hope he will answer you question. Iirc he also going to release a video about improving the bike with different tires then the default.
The key difference between the SLR1 wheels and the Zipp 303 S wheels is the internal rim width, 19mm versus 23mm. The latter suits 28mm and wider tyres much better (smoother profile) so that is something to consider
BUYER BEWARE: These Zipp 303 S hoops don't have a drain hole for water that goes inside the spoke nipples. When riding in heavy rain, the water gets trapped inside the wheels and doesn't drain out unless you remove the entire tire. The sloshing sound of the trapped water when you spin the wheels is terribly annoying, if you decide not to remove the tires to drain the water.
@@FrankDavoudi I posted my comment in 2021. The version before 2021 did not have a drain hole. The newer version that came out in 2021 corrected the non-drain hole by adding a drain hole.
I think these are a bit of a game changer and are at the top of my list I can't see why you'd pay £800+ for a rebranded Chinese rim when you can get these with a cracking warranty . I think the market needs a bit of an adjustment I looked at the importing well known Chinese brands and ended up at £600 before taxes. I've just Won a Cervelo S3 and it's great but it's pretty busy even compared to my Evo. I want to do a few more rides and change a few things first but I'm hopeing these will tame it a little with the low pressures I already run 80psi on clinchers.
Had to return these wheels - early builds didn’t have holes to let the water out plus the bearings are susceptible to corrosion if the wheels get wet (1-2 rain rides and a few washes). You can send them back for drilling to the factory but a bit of a hassle. Besides the quality questions on the hubs, they ride really well for average roads performance wise, but don’t ride near water
BananaChipzzz is it a pain to take a tubeless tire out because of the sticky sealant or whatever? Im thinking about maybe running tubeless are some point
These were looking very tempting. I ended up going with Enve's Foundation 45 instead for their crash replacement and (IMO) far better looks. I'd be curious to see someone compare the two!
Nice review as always, David. I was on the fence with these and the Enve 45 wheels. I ended up going with the Enve set due to the fact I couldn’t find any Zipp wheels in stock for Shimano. They’re pretty equal I’d imagine and both solid offerings.
Great review, thank you. But as with cycling gear it always provides a question. So I’m a rider of between 75/80kg, would you choose these or the Roval C38’s ?
Hi David, Thank You for the awesome review. I saw you have the Schwalbe Pro One (TLE?) tubeless tyres & you were able to just install it over the hookless rim & pump it up with what looked to be an ordinary bike pump. Do you know if let's say this tyre has a huge cut, will I be able to put in an inner tube (after removing the sealant & removable valve), & pump it up & ride on it safely, especially on a hookless rim?
David might be a silly question but can you run these with tubes, I’m currently off tubeless after a rather scary blowout when everything was correctly done. Been running s tubo tubolitontubes which are at least as good as my other bike with latex tubes but less than half the weight (lighter than sealant too) and just wonder if a hookless rim can run tubes, my worry is with the low pressure?
Thanks Dave for the review 👍 I know i asked you before but did you manage to get your hands on the new 303 firecrest for comparison? I'm after a new set of wheels but can't make my mind up. Also you forgot to mention Zipp lifetime is only for the purchaser's not if you sell them on... Great video man 👍👍👍👍
Climbing performance is very good, lots of stiffness so no flex when putting down the power, and lots of traction on very steep gradients. The Domane climbs well especially with the low gears but it's going to be heavier than the Emonda which you can feel on steep climbs
david arthur Hi David, thanks for the reply. I already have an Emonda. I also live in Kyoto so I’m surrounded by mountains. I’m getting a Domane because anything over 40km and my back starts aching. I’ll use the Domane for long distance rides because Kyoto is flat if you follow the river bike paths. I’ll use my Emonda for the local hills where I didn’t have to travel to far to use them. My main concern is that occasionally long distance rides will face the inevitable hills so I hence my question. Sounds like the Domane will do the job admirably. Cheers, mate!
Hi David, love the channel, keep up the great work. I'm just looking for a new carbon disc wheel set. I know you've ridden the new Giant SLR1 wheel set. How do they compare to these Zipp's?
My 303s wheelset developed cracks and bulges in the rear wheel rim after less than 3 months of road only use. Customer care suggested I'd abused the wheel and it was my fault before they'd even seen them. Very poor attitude and very poor quality. Lifetime warranty...only if they say so.
@@SuperGamingeek absolutely not, £1k is a lot of money for wheels why would I abuse them? Road use only. I have Reynolds AR41 now without any issues after months of hard use.
NIce consitent content. I run Conti GP 4 Season 28mm clinchers on HED Ardennes alloy wheels. Let me tell you that mounting those tires is substantially more dramatic than your demonstration. I've been nearly brought to tears replacing one on the road. Therefore, hookless sounds great to me. I weigh roughly 83kgs but I run 80psi fronts/90psi rears on said Conti's.
Exactly what wanted to know, great job! I’ve just ordered these along with some new rotors and a set of the Pro One’s for my Revolt. Can’t wait to get them on!!!
Hi David, great review. Are you able to comment on how long it took to break in these wheels? I’ve purchased a pair and the rear wheel seems to have quite a bit of drag when spinning freely. Thanks and keep the content coming!
Nobody mentions the dark secret about these tires!!! The MAX tire inflation pressure is only 72 lbs. So forget 25 mm tires, or if your a heavy rider like me, 230 lbs, even with 28 mm tires, I would want to go at least 80 lbs. Spend a few more hundred $, for Enve foundation 45 hookless. Max pressure is 90 lbs!
early production runs don't have drain holes. If you ride in a dry area, the first time your ride is in rain or you wash the bike, you'll get an unpleasant surprise ---Uber home....the wheels sponge up water and don't drain [if you spin the wheels and bump for an hour you can get 80% out]. Zipp will warranty drilling holes at their factory in Indiana - bit of a hassle and concerns about shipping back and forth damage and being bike-less for a long time. Not a good customer experience. Beyond that, the wheels do ride nice, and now that the Continental 5000 will support hookless tubeless the tire choices increase. Wish I kept my old wheels as spare :0(
After using £300 carbon.rims.ex China with pillar spokes and.novatec hubs for 20000 kms with.no.issues. I think.£900.for zipped is not cheap. Be careful even with.hooked tubeless as I've seen.a tyre come.off.at 100 psi.
Rear hub failure in under a year ... sram 'lifetime guarantee' does not apply to failed seals (or anything else I wouldn't be surprised). I'd look elsewhere, mine were well maintained and bike had pride of place in the lounge.
Your advocacy of wide, tubeless tires on road bikes in the real world is spot on. On imperfect roads, you can smash through corners and bomb down hills without worry. I have ENVE AR 4.5 Disc rims (also hookless, a bit wider, a bit deeper, and $$$) with Schwalbe Pro One 28mm tires, and the setup is so, so good. The Zipps look great for less cash. (ENVE has released some more affordable wheels as well - after I bought my ARs.) I had a rim brake bike with 23mm and tubes. At 110+ psi, I kept getting pinch flats. Upgraded to tubeless wheels and went with 25mm. I no longer flat, but the bike still skitters on rough roads. By comparison, 28mm tubeless is perfect for me at 185 lbs. (84 kg) with 60 psi in the front and 65 psi in the rear. It’s not just for comfort. It’s faster, due to my increased confidence. It’s more fun and comfortable too! On glass smooth roads, my rim brake bike with narrow tires would rock. I hope to ride on such a road someday.
@@HaswellCore - It depends. I find that 28 is great for my summer bike with deep wheels. They’re fast, light, and aero. I like 32s on my winter bike for comfort. If your roads are smooth, 28s are probably fine. If your roads are rough or if you are a heavy rider, or just want more comfort, 32s might be ideal.
@@JonFairhurst I got a flat 28 on the front and a snakebited 28 with a working tube on the back.. Is getting one 32mm for the back a good idea, dont want to throw away the working 28mm tire.
@@HaswellCore Bummer! Yeah, you can mix and match. If you bomb down switchbacks, you might not want mixed sizes, but for normal riding, it would be fine. Probably 5-10 fewer PSI in the 32s than the 28s.
Great video. Love to k ow where you are. If I had to have one wheel set it would be Reynolds. I own Reynolds, Fulcrum, Zipp, and Roval. My favorite are the Reynolds and Fulcrum. Zips don’t have the same durability and the Rovals are not nearly as still (60kilos here)
I'm currently looking for a new bike & the Tarmac SL7 is one of the contenders which comes with Roval wheels, so i guess you are saying that the Rovals isn't as stable in gusty winds? Do you think it's a non issue for me that weights 80kg?
Jesper Andersson Hi Jasper, the SL7 is a sweet bike! You should totally get one. A friend of mine just bought one. As far as wheels go, anything over 50mm will be subject to wind BUT! some are more than others. At your weight it is just about practicing handling skills. Like anything else. That being said my Fulcrum 55 get pushed around less than some other brands. I like Reynolds too. The Rovals are not as stiff in comparison and do not have the same tolerances as Reynolds and Fulcrum I can put any tire I want on Reynolds or Fulcrum and never have to worry. Rovals are only good for about 110 psi. Not only that but if you pump your tire above their recommended psi for rider weight (see their website) the tire feels squishy and almost like it’s moving around on the rim. I’ve never experienced that with any rim. So for example a rider my weight Roval says I should use roughly 60psi on size tires 28 - if I pump them to 80psi they feel squishy, flexy, and like the tire is moving Get the bike and experiment on your own. Developing skills with deep dish wheels just takes experience
Hi David, Thanks for this review! I was just wondering, how are you finding the wheelset (if you still use them) 3 years later? Would you still recommend them in 2024?
Yes I'm still using them and they are still going just fine - I had the bearings replaced in the rear hub though they weren't actually that bad upon inspection, so would recommend them based on their performance and reliability
@@davidarthur Thanks (and thanks for responding on a 3-year old video)! Looks like I'll buy them when my CycleScheme voucher comes through. It's good to see the Cotswolds getting so much love in your videos as well.
I like the older frames with all new parts. They just ride better. Maybe not ultra fast on rails but great for cadence training and daily rides. Im a bit over 200 and carbon makes me very nervous.
Thanks for your video and awesome content always. Would you recommend this wheels or the Fulcrum Wind 40db? Or other option at this price range? I’m looking for a versatile, carbon wheel set that has aero benefits but light enough for lots of climbing. And also a good price. Thanks David, have a great week.
Hi David, great video as always! I have a Domane SL5 and I have been eyeing up these wheels. Im just worried I might be too heavy 14 and half stone 6.1” I used to play rugby so I’m a bit heavier than normal cyclists. Also new to the tubeless, you reckon I can get used to swapping wheels and tyres?
Hi David, thank you for your very interesting chanel. I`m from Germany and I`ll do an upgrade on my Specialized Roubaix Sport, equipped with 105. I`m looking for the Roval C38 or the Zipp 303s. I´m riding 95 % on tarmac and 5% on dry fire roads in summer time. On my MTB, an upgraded Felt nine 3 I ride tubeless with ZTR rims and DT 240 hubs, tubeless works perfect, I would never go back to tubes !! Should I switch over to tubeless on my summer road bike, with 28/30 mm Schwalbe or the new Contis ? Thank you and best regards Ernst (67 and 75 Kg)
@@davidarthur thank you 🙏 that was my last check will order ! Also new Conti ASTr look 👀 compatible now which is great 👍 great review appreciate the effort
Another downside might be in case of a puncture which cannot be sealed, common and perhaps fasted method for fixing it to get back home is to install a tube. With this hookless wheel I’m guessing it’s not possible?
That just seems like such a low pressure to run in the tire. I run tubeless on my hunt wheel and run 80psi. Wouldnt the rolling resistance kinda suck with that low of pressure
@@kirkshammett94 Im a little bit "scary" to make the step and buy this ones to go full tubeless ... how about the feeling? Im using 100psi + clincher, 28mm tires. Did u feel lost of "speed" and "stiffness" in sprints?
@@flaviobatista2096 I ride in a lot of fast group rides, and sprint a lot with these wheels. They always feel very stable and the low tire pressures do not affect my sprint at all. I’m 165lbs with a max sprint if 1400 watts for reference
@@kirkshammett94 wow, thats amazing news m8, im 71/72kg average and my peak watts are around 1200 (ish) ... How many psi do you use on it ? Im thinking to buy the schwalbe pro one TLE addix race , the top end ones, and put about 30mls selant (muc-off, or joe's) Whats your setup if i can ask please? And about punctures, all good?
@@flaviobatista2096 so far I’m at about 700 miles with the pro ones I run 58/61 psi and absolutely no issues yet. Wheels hold tire pressure very well too
Great video - I really enjoyed. My first one of yours - I will be back. Quick question....looking at these on a new Ribble Endurace Ti. I mainly do 85 - 120km rides and think the Titanium will make a lovely mile cruncher. With Ribble's bike builder it is these over their own brand Level or a big jump to Enve Foundation 45s (another 400 quid). I was totally sold on the 303 until you said about heavier riders and low pressures...I am 82kg and used to higher pressures (not that I have any strong opinion just what I am used to.) I have a lovely KTM race bike with gorgeous Ursus Miura 45s....wonder how these will compare and also your thoughts on my weight with 6s psi and tubeless. (I run the Ursus wheels with tubes currently) Thanks and great video!
The titanium will be ideal for that sort of riding. Wheel choice is tricky, I've been really impressed with the Enve Foundation 45s and they might just be worth the upgrade. Regarding pressure at your weight, provided you're running wide tyres, say 30 or 32, you won't want very high pressures at all even for your weight. I know someone heavier than you who rides 32mm tyres at 65psi
Great video David. Can I just ask why does the inflation demo use Goodyear Eagle f1 tyres but the rest of the video shoes the bike being ridden with Schwable Pro 1's? I only ask as having just purchased these I cannot get the schwable pro 1's to mount despite using a flash charger pump. Any advice? I checked all the obvious tried with sealent, checked the tape etc etc. The wheels are brand new 🤷🏼♂️
try that: mount the tire with a tube deflate, brake only one side tire bead (important!) and remove the tube install tubeless valve put tire back on rim get a sponge with soapy water and rub some between tire and rim bead inflate tire again if still doesnt work and the tire seems too lose, you can try to add one or two layers of rim tape and repeat the process above.
I think these rims are 27mm so a 28mm should be pretty flush to the side. I would imagine if you go to a 30mm you would get less aero benefit but more comfort which might actually make you faster.
@@paulappleyard5832 Well my schwalbe pro tyres ,28mm come up to 31 mm on my hunt mason gravel wheels? So may look at the Scribe wheels which are even wider but not hookless!?
Reading between the lines continental specifying their tubeless tires are not for hookless rims is clearly not an endorsement of hookless rims for road use? This thing where one has to be tubeless to run low pressure just not the case. I'm 90+kg and running 60psi in 25c all day no isses.
I think you can read different things into Continental's lack of hookless support, it could be they're just not recommending them from a safety standpoint rather than a lack of endorsement
Thanks very useful video. I’m just about to buy some for my Cervelo S5 and have 25mm Corsa Graphene 2.0 tubeless ready tyres. The clearance on the S5 won’t allow 28mm. Would 25mm mean a higher pressure, and are these tyres ok with hookless? I can’t seem to find that info. Cheers 🤘🏻
I've used those tyres on the Zipp's and they were fine, maybe double check with Vittoria to be safe. You will want to run higher pressures but I regularly go down to 80psi on 25mm tyres
Hi David, love your Channel! I’m new to the cycling world and all you’re videos have been so useful for steering me towards my purchases. With that being said, I noticed you’re wearing a Specialized Evade 2 helmet. I don’t think you have a review on for this model. I know it’s a great helmet but I’m concerned about the size. Can I ask what size do you wear and what is your head size? I can’t find the helmet anywhere to try it on. I’m a 56cm and it fall between a small and medium according to Specialized size chart. Thank you again for all your reviews.
Hi Adam thanks for the kind words. I really like the Evade 2 and you're right, I haven't done a review yet - I'll add it to my list - the size is a medium which fits me perfectly on my size 58cm head. Hope that helps?
Howdy David,great video review on Zipp 303s wheelset together with your fantastic looking Trek road bike.What size chainring or chainset are you useing up front?It looks small almost like a 42t chainring.Cheers.
A new Zipp disc carbon wheelset below USD1,000? Sounds perfect for my new built with Cervelo S3 Frame + DA9120 groupset with Conti SP5000TL 28mm tires... wait a minute, did you just say this 303S not recommended to be fitted with GP5000TL ? Oh crap...
Continental advises against using its new TL tyres on hookless, but there are plenty of other good tyres to choose from that are just as good, if not better imo, than Conti, so maybe don't rule them out just based on that? Though I guess if you really must have Conti it's an issue
@@davidarthur Hahaha... Just teasing, no worries! I have been using a set of GP5000TL 25mm for 4000km+...Smooth, handles well and without any punctures. Not the fastest but an awesome set of all-rounder tires. Sad that 303S couldn't fit them but it's obviously not end of the world. I shall try out the Schwalbe Pro One if I buy this wheelset. Thanks again for making this informative review!
Just bought a pair of these, arriving in 2 days. Got a set of eagle F1s too - do I need sealant for the tubeless set up? looks like you didn't use any on yours? Thanks
Good choice. Yes you want to use sealant, I didn't include that part of the video but I added after filming. Sealant ensures they are air tight and reduce risk of punctures
That's just how carbon fibre looks sometimes when it's been moulded - the days of putting a decorative layer over the top are gone which is why they sometimes look like this
![Ep.14 [ENG] - Zipp 303s VS Hunt 4454, Battle of Everyday Performance Wheels](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZyvEaUOqom8/mqdefault.jpg)
Excellent channel. Thanks for the effort and great to see the numbers growing. Thanks
Hi David, I really enjoy your channel! Since you recently tested the 2021 Giant TCR with Giant branded SLR1 42mm Hookless tubeless wheels, how do the Giant wheels compare to the Zipps? I'm getting a 2021 Defy advanced Pro and they come with the same wheels (the SLR2 actually) and I'm curious how they would stack up to the Zipp? Having a good pair of carbon aero wheels right out of the box is what made decide on the Defy instead of getting a Domane or a Roubaix. I would loved to know your opinion, perhaps a new video idea for you!!! Thanks and again your content is great!
How do you know what the Defy Pro spec is? I would like to preorder one
@@HowayTheMags
if you can read korean, it's here
www.giant-bicycles.com/kr/bikes-propel-advanced-sl-disc-2021
hopefully someone can translate for us though
@@HowayTheMags My local lbs showed me the pictures and specs. They're already ordering 2021 bikes. I suppose that Giant has started production on their 2021 range sooner this year. I think it's a smart move from Giant to spec the pro models with their 42mm aero wheels instead of last year's 30mm. Really saves me from buying another wheelset.
I am curious aswell, and i hope he will answer you question. Iirc he also going to release a video about improving the bike with different tires then the default.
The key difference between the SLR1 wheels and the Zipp 303 S wheels is the internal rim width, 19mm versus 23mm. The latter suits 28mm and wider tyres much better (smoother profile) so that is something to consider
That's a lovely set up.......Domane with those wheels and disk brakes, I'm a little jealous.
Dude, your videos are simply quality. Your reviews just are so straight forward and the best. So glad I found this channel. YOU ARE THE BEST.
Thanks Diego 👍
Just got a 2021 TCR with 2021 Zipp 303 Firecrest with the Pro One Tires. I’m all in! Thanks to your videos....
BUYER BEWARE: These Zipp 303 S hoops don't have a drain hole for water that goes inside the spoke nipples. When riding in heavy rain, the water gets trapped inside the wheels and doesn't drain out unless you remove the entire tire. The sloshing sound of the trapped water when you spin the wheels is terribly annoying, if you decide not to remove the tires to drain the water.
Apparently it got added in
not ture the 303S have a drain hole
@@FrankDavoudi I posted my comment in 2021. The version before 2021 did not have a drain hole. The newer version that came out in 2021 corrected the non-drain hole by adding a drain hole.
I think these are a bit of a game changer and are at the top of my list I can't see why you'd pay £800+ for a rebranded Chinese rim when you can get these with a cracking warranty . I think the market needs a bit of an adjustment I looked at the importing well known Chinese brands and ended up at £600 before taxes. I've just Won a Cervelo S3 and it's great but it's pretty busy even compared to my Evo. I want to do a few more rides and change a few things first but I'm hopeing these will tame it a little with the low pressures I already run 80psi on clinchers.
Had to return these wheels - early builds didn’t have holes to let the water out plus the bearings are susceptible to corrosion if the wheels get wet (1-2 rain rides and a few washes). You can send them back for drilling to the factory but a bit of a hassle. Besides the quality questions on the hubs, they ride really well for average roads performance wise, but don’t ride near water
David, I wish we were neighbors. Beautiful countryside.
Add sealant at 5:54? Do you not need to add before blowing up? Is the sealant only for small punctures and to protect from sidewall leaks?
Let them down and inject/remove through the valve core and then reinflate I guess. Alot less messy than many other methods I've seen.
BananaChipzzz is it a pain to take a tubeless tire out because of the sticky sealant or whatever? Im thinking about maybe running tubeless are some point
These were looking very tempting. I ended up going with Enve's Foundation 45 instead for their crash replacement and (IMO) far better looks. I'd be curious to see someone compare the two!
Nice review as always, David. I was on the fence with these and the Enve 45 wheels. I ended up going with the Enve set due to the fact I couldn’t find any Zipp wheels in stock for Shimano. They’re pretty equal I’d imagine and both solid offerings.
Great review, thank you. But as with cycling gear it always provides a question. So I’m a rider of between 75/80kg, would you choose these or the Roval C38’s ?
Hi David, Thank You for the awesome review. I saw you have the Schwalbe Pro One (TLE?) tubeless tyres & you were able to just install it over the hookless rim & pump it up with what looked to be an ordinary bike pump.
Do you know if let's say this tyre has a huge cut, will I be able to put in an inner tube (after removing the sealant & removable valve), & pump it up & ride on it safely, especially on a hookless rim?
Love that you do a review after a couple of months!
David might be a silly question but can you run these with tubes, I’m currently off tubeless after a rather scary blowout when everything was correctly done. Been running s tubo tubolitontubes which are at least as good as my other bike with latex tubes but less than half the weight (lighter than sealant too) and just wonder if a hookless rim can run tubes, my worry is with the low pressure?
you can, but you need to use tubeless tires. so i wouldn't recommend these wheels for you
@@fadenseiden i see what you mean and the extra weight would be pointless.
@@stevec2739 ...and probably more fricton
Have you left road cc? If so I didn’t know. Hookless wheels scare me and I actually don’t like the trend towards hookless by more and more companies
Yup I left roadcc earlier this year, it was time for some new challenges 👍
Why are these wheels hookless? I don't see the benefit outside of making manufacturing easier.
Thank you for helping me decide on my next carbon wheels.
Thanks Dave for the review 👍
I know i asked you before but did you manage to get your hands on the new 303 firecrest for comparison? I'm after a new set of wheels but can't make my mind up. Also you forgot to mention Zipp lifetime is only for the purchaser's not if you sell them on... Great video man 👍👍👍👍
Got a set of 303 Firecrests on their way to me soon!
Thanks for the review. Just as a matter of interest what size frame is the Trek Domane and how tall are you?
How was the hill climbing with these wheels and the Domane? How does the Domane climb hills compared to an Emonda?
Climbing performance is very good, lots of stiffness so no flex when putting down the power, and lots of traction on very steep gradients. The Domane climbs well especially with the low gears but it's going to be heavier than the Emonda which you can feel on steep climbs
david arthur Hi David, thanks for the reply. I already have an Emonda. I also live in Kyoto so I’m surrounded by mountains. I’m getting a Domane because anything over 40km and my back starts aching. I’ll use the Domane for long distance rides because Kyoto is flat if you follow the river bike paths. I’ll use my Emonda for the local hills where I didn’t have to travel to far to use them. My main concern is that occasionally long distance rides will face the inevitable hills so I hence my question. Sounds like the Domane will do the job admirably. Cheers, mate!
I have these wheels with Conti GP5000, a true nightmare to mount and dismount but very nice to ride
Sorry for comment on old post - did you compare these with the giant slr1 wheels at all? I know the giant a bit lighter but they’re very narrow
I cant believe those experts let people use and pay for faulty technology. Hookless road rims are dangerous.
Hi David, love the channel, keep up the great work. I'm just looking for a new carbon disc wheel set. I know you've ridden the new Giant SLR1 wheel set. How do they compare to these Zipp's?
Great video again. Do like that bike oh and the new 303s. 👍
Have to be honest, I'm not sure about hookless rims (certainly on the road) - not for me, yet!
I ride but also lift weights. Im not trying to win anything. Just rollin with the guys.
My 303s wheelset developed cracks and bulges in the rear wheel rim after less than 3 months of road only use. Customer care suggested I'd abused the wheel and it was my fault before they'd even seen them. Very poor attitude and very poor quality. Lifetime warranty...only if they say so.
I mean, were they right?
@@SuperGamingeek They eventually sent a replacement wheel after escalating through SRAM and my legal rights
Would never buy Zipp products again. Poor quality, poor attitude.
@@andrewmiddleton6782 yes but did you in fact abuse the wheels in unintended ways?
@@SuperGamingeek absolutely not, £1k is a lot of money for wheels why would I abuse them? Road use only. I have Reynolds AR41 now without any issues after months of hard use.
I am around 70kg on the road I never go above 60psi with 28mm TL tyres the grip and ride is fantastic👌
Enjoying the channel very much! You have a beautiful place to ride!
Thanks I’m very lucky
NIce consitent content. I run Conti GP 4 Season 28mm clinchers on HED Ardennes alloy wheels. Let me tell you that mounting those tires is substantially more dramatic than your demonstration. I've been nearly brought to tears replacing one on the road. Therefore, hookless sounds great to me. I weigh roughly 83kgs but I run 80psi fronts/90psi rears on said Conti's.
Thanks for sharing
Exactly what wanted to know, great job! I’ve just ordered these along with some new rotors and a set of the Pro One’s for my Revolt. Can’t wait to get them on!!!
Hi David, great review. Are you able to comment on how long it took to break in these wheels? I’ve purchased a pair and the rear wheel seems to have quite a bit of drag when spinning freely. Thanks and keep the content coming!
Hi David, great video, any chance of a review on that wonderful Trek Domane, thinking of upgrading my gen 2 Domane, and it would be useful..
Hey Paul, I did a 500 mile review here ruclips.net/video/QgevIZyR9Tw/видео.html I'm hoping to get a stock Domane to do a full review on
Nobody mentions the dark secret about these tires!!!
The MAX tire inflation pressure is only 72 lbs.
So forget 25 mm tires, or if your a heavy rider like me, 230 lbs, even with 28 mm tires, I would want to go at least 80 lbs.
Spend a few more hundred $, for Enve foundation 45 hookless. Max pressure is 90 lbs!
Another great review
Hi David, Great review. I am planning to buy a new wheelset. Would you be so kind to include Vision metron 45 SL review on your videos. Thanks😊
Hi David, Great review. I am planning to buy a new wheelset. Would you be so kind to include Vision metron 45 SL review on your videos. Thanks😊
early production runs don't have drain holes. If you ride in a dry area, the first time your ride is in rain or you wash the bike, you'll get an unpleasant surprise ---Uber home....the wheels sponge up water and don't drain [if you spin the wheels and bump for an hour you can get 80% out]. Zipp will warranty drilling holes at their factory in Indiana - bit of a hassle and concerns about shipping back and forth damage and being bike-less for a long time. Not a good customer experience. Beyond that, the wheels do ride nice, and now that the Continental 5000 will support hookless tubeless the tire choices increase. Wish I kept my old wheels as spare :0(
After using £300 carbon.rims.ex China with pillar spokes and.novatec hubs for 20000 kms with.no.issues. I think.£900.for zipped is not cheap. Be careful even with.hooked tubeless as I've seen.a tyre come.off.at 100 psi.
Great Vlogs David and I ordered a pair of these a month ago, still waiting but good to hear that are good!! 👌🏼
I use giant PR1 rim hookless tubeless ready rim. But recommended by the bike shop stated minimum 85PSI to 125PSI. Now I am confused.
Have you noted any sealant leaking around the side walls? I have this wheelset with Schwalbe Pro TLE 30mm and can't stop them from weeping sealant.
I weight 100kg but still ride my hookless for more than a year, as long you follow the guidelines of the air pressure.
Rear hub failure in under a year ... sram 'lifetime guarantee' does not apply to failed seals (or anything else I wouldn't be surprised). I'd look elsewhere, mine were well maintained and bike had pride of place in the lounge.
Your advocacy of wide, tubeless tires on road bikes in the real world is spot on. On imperfect roads, you can smash through corners and bomb down hills without worry. I have ENVE AR 4.5 Disc rims (also hookless, a bit wider, a bit deeper, and $$$) with Schwalbe Pro One 28mm tires, and the setup is so, so good. The Zipps look great for less cash. (ENVE has released some more affordable wheels as well - after I bought my ARs.)
I had a rim brake bike with 23mm and tubes. At 110+ psi, I kept getting pinch flats. Upgraded to tubeless wheels and went with 25mm. I no longer flat, but the bike still skitters on rough roads. By comparison, 28mm tubeless is perfect for me at 185 lbs. (84 kg) with 60 psi in the front and 65 psi in the rear. It’s not just for comfort. It’s faster, due to my increased confidence. It’s more fun and comfortable too!
On glass smooth roads, my rim brake bike with narrow tires would rock. I hope to ride on such a road someday.
do you think its worth upgrading from Continental 4000 28 tube to Continental 5000 32mm tubeless?
@@HaswellCore - It depends. I find that 28 is great for my summer bike with deep wheels. They’re fast, light, and aero. I like 32s on my winter bike for comfort. If your roads are smooth, 28s are probably fine. If your roads are rough or if you are a heavy rider, or just want more comfort, 32s might be ideal.
@@JonFairhurst I got a flat 28 on the front and a snakebited 28 with a working tube on the back.. Is getting one 32mm for the back a good idea, dont want to throw away the working 28mm tire.
@@HaswellCore Bummer! Yeah, you can mix and match. If you bomb down switchbacks, you might not want mixed sizes, but for normal riding, it would be fine. Probably 5-10 fewer PSI in the 32s than the 28s.
Who runs their tyres at 120psi on British roads?
You’ll be surprised
@@davidarthur Okay, why would you want to in the face of all evidence to the contrary?
@@ashleyhouse9690 ''feels'' faster
Great video. Love to k ow where you are. If I had to have one wheel set it would be Reynolds. I own Reynolds, Fulcrum, Zipp, and Roval. My favorite are the Reynolds and Fulcrum. Zips don’t have the same durability and the Rovals are not nearly as still (60kilos here)
I'm currently looking for a new bike & the Tarmac SL7 is one of the contenders which comes with Roval wheels, so i guess you are saying that the Rovals isn't as stable in gusty winds? Do you think it's a non issue for me that weights 80kg?
Jesper Andersson Hi Jasper, the SL7 is a sweet bike! You should totally get one. A friend of mine just bought one.
As far as wheels go, anything over 50mm will be subject to wind BUT! some are more than others. At your weight it is just about practicing handling skills. Like anything else.
That being said my Fulcrum 55 get pushed around less than some other brands. I like Reynolds too. The Rovals are not as stiff in comparison and do not have the same tolerances as Reynolds and Fulcrum
I can put any tire I want on Reynolds or Fulcrum and never have to worry. Rovals are only good for about 110 psi. Not only that but if you pump your tire above their recommended psi for rider weight (see their website) the tire feels squishy and almost like it’s moving around on the rim. I’ve never experienced that with any rim.
So for example a rider my weight Roval says I should use roughly 60psi on size tires 28 - if I pump them to 80psi they feel squishy, flexy, and like the tire is moving
Get the bike and experiment on your own. Developing skills with deep dish wheels just takes experience
Another top video - thanks. I am 100kg. Am I too heavy for these hookless wheels? Thanks
I am undecided between those ones and the Hunt 48 limitless. What do you reckon? I heard more in favour of the Hunt's?
Nice review thanks ! Keep on the good work
Hi David,
Thanks for this review! I was just wondering, how are you finding the wheelset (if you still use them) 3 years later? Would you still recommend them in 2024?
Yes I'm still using them and they are still going just fine - I had the bearings replaced in the rear hub though they weren't actually that bad upon inspection, so would recommend them based on their performance and reliability
@@davidarthur Thanks (and thanks for responding on a 3-year old video)! Looks like I'll buy them when my CycleScheme voucher comes through. It's good to see the Cotswolds getting so much love in your videos as well.
Goodyear Eagle F1 or the Schwalbe Pro One? And why did you change them?
Wheels would look better on a Road Bike.
David, at about 10:30 you mentioned something about heavier riders. In regards to these wheels, what is a heavier rider? 100kg+?
No dimples, no sawtooth... Was all that wrong? How do you put the slime in and not have it run all over while initially pumping up?
Why not use British wheels by Stayer...
Just curious mind!!!!
David, how heavy would a person have to be to be able to not use hookless rims? I find this piece of information mystifying.
Have you had the schwalbe pro one on for the entire 1000 miles of this review?
Does it have drain holes? I read a lot of articles about these wheel having water stuck on the rim.
I like the older frames with all new parts.
They just ride better. Maybe not ultra fast on rails but great for cadence training and daily rides. Im a bit over 200 and carbon makes me very nervous.
I'm 177cms tall and weigh 76kgs. Would you recommend these wheels to me?
err, not comment much on hookless......
Thanks for your video and awesome content always.
Would you recommend this wheels or the Fulcrum Wind 40db? Or other option at this price range? I’m looking for a versatile, carbon wheel set that has aero benefits but light enough for lots of climbing. And also a good price.
Thanks David, have a great week.
Hi David, great video as always!
I have a Domane SL5 and I have been eyeing up these wheels.
Im just worried I might be too heavy 14 and half stone 6.1” I used to play rugby so I’m a bit heavier than normal cyclists.
Also new to the tubeless, you reckon I can get used to swapping wheels and tyres?
Excellent review!
What about flats on brevets where time is of the essence?
Any tips or thoughts on tubeless setups for brevets pl?
Great video and has helped me decide on the Zipp 303 S!!
Built mine with a Dt swiss 350 hubs and 50mm t800 carbon rims for much less, and legitimately can't tell the difference between the way they ride
Hi David,
thank you for your very interesting chanel.
I`m from Germany and I`ll do an upgrade on my Specialized Roubaix Sport, equipped with 105. I`m looking for the Roval C38 or the Zipp 303s. I´m riding 95 % on tarmac and 5% on dry fire roads in summer time. On my MTB, an upgraded Felt nine 3 I ride tubeless with ZTR rims and DT 240 hubs, tubeless works perfect, I would never go back to tubes !! Should I switch over to tubeless on my summer road bike,
with 28/30 mm Schwalbe or the new Contis ?
Thank you and best regards Ernst (67 and 75 Kg)
Hi Ernst, I'm in the exact same situation. Want to upgrade my Diverge and hesitate between 303s and Roval C38. Which one did you chose finally ?
My eyes! No attempt to line up the logo, shocking.
What pocket of the Cotswolds is that? Looks beautiful and I'm local
Is it suited for long climbs , or too high of a profile ?
I just pulled the trigger on these wheels. Now, what tires are compatible with these wheels??
Most new tubeless tyres are these days, take your pick from Michelin, Pirelli, Goodyear, Continental, Vittoria to name a few examples
Would these be ok on a bike with luggage so a tail fin ! And front bag / light rider also 67kg
Yup I've used them bike packing with no issues
@@davidarthur thank you 🙏 that was my last check will order ! Also new Conti ASTr look 👀 compatible now which is great 👍 great review appreciate the effort
Are they compatible with clincher tires with inner tubes?
are amazon road bikes that cost under 1000 bucks worthy? have you tried? will you try? maybe even make a video about it?
Another downside might be in case of a puncture which cannot be sealed, common and perhaps fasted method for fixing it to get back home is to install a tube. With this hookless wheel I’m guessing it’s not possible?
Great question!
when they say tubeless only they mean the tires used MUST be tubeless designs, fitting a tube to get yourself out of trouble will cause no harm
JarekMa2 carry tubeless plugs like mountain bikers.
@@Quevallyn I do, and have used them but occasionally you have to fit a tube. So the original question still stands!
You can fit a tube function no problems
That just seems like such a low pressure to run in the tire. I run tubeless on my hunt wheel and run 80psi. Wouldnt the rolling resistance kinda suck with that low of pressure
I take this comment back. I now have these wheels and can confirm they are fast!
@@kirkshammett94 Im a little bit "scary" to make the step and buy this ones to go full tubeless ... how about the feeling? Im using 100psi + clincher, 28mm tires. Did u feel lost of "speed" and "stiffness" in sprints?
@@flaviobatista2096 I ride in a lot of fast group rides, and sprint a lot with these wheels. They always feel very stable and the low tire pressures do not affect my sprint at all. I’m 165lbs with a max sprint if 1400 watts for reference
@@kirkshammett94 wow, thats amazing news m8, im 71/72kg average and my peak watts are around 1200 (ish) ... How many psi do you use on it ? Im thinking to buy the schwalbe pro one TLE addix race , the top end ones, and put about 30mls selant (muc-off, or joe's) Whats your setup if i can ask please? And about punctures, all good?
@@flaviobatista2096 so far I’m at about 700 miles with the pro ones I run 58/61 psi and absolutely no issues yet. Wheels hold tire pressure very well too
I am convinces now. Will buy this next time
Great video - I really enjoyed. My first one of yours - I will be back. Quick question....looking at these on a new Ribble Endurace Ti. I mainly do 85 - 120km rides and think the Titanium will make a lovely mile cruncher. With Ribble's bike builder it is these over their own brand Level or a big jump to Enve Foundation 45s (another 400 quid). I was totally sold on the 303 until you said about heavier riders and low pressures...I am 82kg and used to higher pressures (not that I have any strong opinion just what I am used to.) I have a lovely KTM race bike with gorgeous Ursus Miura 45s....wonder how these will compare and also your thoughts on my weight with 6s psi and tubeless. (I run the Ursus wheels with tubes currently) Thanks and great video!
The titanium will be ideal for that sort of riding. Wheel choice is tricky, I've been really impressed with the Enve Foundation 45s and they might just be worth the upgrade. Regarding pressure at your weight, provided you're running wide tyres, say 30 or 32, you won't want very high pressures at all even for your weight. I know someone heavier than you who rides 32mm tyres at 65psi
Great video David. Can I just ask why does the inflation demo use Goodyear Eagle f1 tyres but the rest of the video shoes the bike being ridden with Schwable Pro 1's? I only ask as having just purchased these I cannot get the schwable pro 1's to mount despite using a flash charger pump. Any advice? I checked all the obvious tried with sealent, checked the tape etc etc. The wheels are brand new 🤷🏼♂️
try that:
mount the tire with a tube
deflate, brake only one side tire bead (important!) and remove the tube
install tubeless valve
put tire back on rim
get a sponge with soapy water and rub some between tire and rim bead
inflate tire again
if still doesnt work and the tire seems too lose, you can try to add one or two layers of rim tape and repeat the process above.
Great review. Dont the 28 tyres become wider than the rim therefore negating some of the aero benefits??
I think these rims are 27mm so a 28mm should be pretty flush to the side. I would imagine if you go to a 30mm you would get less aero benefit but more comfort which might actually make you faster.
@@paulappleyard5832 Well my schwalbe pro tyres ,28mm come up to 31 mm on my hunt mason gravel wheels? So may look at the Scribe wheels which are even wider but not hookless!?
The 28s measured 28 on these rims, I shared a pic on the community tab on YT - gives a nice rounded profile
Reading between the lines continental specifying their tubeless tires are not for hookless rims is clearly not an endorsement of hookless rims for road use?
This thing where one has to be tubeless to run low pressure just not the case. I'm 90+kg and running 60psi in 25c all day no isses.
I think you can read different things into Continental's lack of hookless support, it could be they're just not recommending them from a safety standpoint rather than a lack of endorsement
Great review :) subscribed to the channel :)
Thanks for the sub!
great bike mate, kudos!
Thanks very useful video. I’m just about to buy some for my Cervelo S5 and have 25mm Corsa Graphene 2.0 tubeless ready tyres. The clearance on the S5 won’t allow 28mm. Would 25mm mean a higher pressure, and are these tyres ok with hookless? I can’t seem to find that info. Cheers 🤘🏻
I've used those tyres on the Zipp's and they were fine, maybe double check with Vittoria to be safe. You will want to run higher pressures but I regularly go down to 80psi on 25mm tyres
Many thanks for the honest review
Thanks for your practical vids. It helps
02:24 why does the rim look like it has delaminated/peeling or something like that?
14 minutes and not a single mention of the front and back decals not matching ...
Hi David, love your Channel! I’m new to the cycling world and all you’re videos have been so useful for steering me towards my purchases. With that being said, I noticed you’re wearing a Specialized Evade 2 helmet. I don’t think you have a review on for this model. I know it’s a great helmet but I’m concerned about the size. Can I ask what size do you wear and what is your head size? I can’t find the helmet anywhere to try it on. I’m a 56cm and it fall between a small and medium according to Specialized size chart. Thank you again for all your reviews.
Hi Adam thanks for the kind words. I really like the Evade 2 and you're right, I haven't done a review yet - I'll add it to my list - the size is a medium which fits me perfectly on my size 58cm head. Hope that helps?
Are these wheels durable enough for gravel? If so I would purchase them!
Hi David, do you check Instagram DMs? Sent you one 👌
Howdy David,great video review on Zipp 303s wheelset together with your fantastic looking Trek road bike.What size chainring or chainset are you useing up front?It looks small almost like a 42t chainring.Cheers.
It’s a 43/30 chainset - check out my SRAM climbing video for all the details on it and how it rides 👍
A new Zipp disc carbon wheelset below USD1,000? Sounds perfect for my new built with Cervelo S3 Frame + DA9120 groupset with Conti SP5000TL 28mm tires... wait a minute, did you just say this 303S not recommended to be fitted with GP5000TL ? Oh crap...
Continental advises against using its new TL tyres on hookless, but there are plenty of other good tyres to choose from that are just as good, if not better imo, than Conti, so maybe don't rule them out just based on that? Though I guess if you really must have Conti it's an issue
@@davidarthur Hahaha... Just teasing, no worries! I have been using a set of GP5000TL 25mm for 4000km+...Smooth, handles well and without any punctures. Not the fastest but an awesome set of all-rounder tires. Sad that 303S couldn't fit them but it's obviously not end of the world. I shall try out the Schwalbe Pro One if I buy this wheelset. Thanks again for making this informative review!
Amazing views! Where is this?
Just bought a pair of these, arriving in 2 days. Got a set of eagle F1s too - do I need sealant for the tubeless set up? looks like you didn't use any on yours? Thanks
Good choice. Yes you want to use sealant, I didn't include that part of the video but I added after filming. Sealant ensures they are air tight and reduce risk of punctures
@@davidarthur Thanks David. Keep up the good work!
At 2:27 there is a scary delamination of the rim surface or just something else?
That's just how carbon fibre looks sometimes when it's been moulded - the days of putting a decorative layer over the top are gone which is why they sometimes look like this
Excellent video!
Will they be okay for cyclocross races? I got 15x100 front true-axle...
Should be. They are rated for gravel and adventure riding so should be fine for cross