Destiny 2 Lore - What we know about the Warlord's Ruin Dungeon so far!
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Destiny 2's Lore and Story from the Season of the Wish features Warlord's Ruin. The newest Dungeon in Destiny has links to The Ahamkara, as it appears the Scorn and Taken are trying to use wish magic. As an old Warlord Fortress, we'll also likely see the story of the Warlords and Iron Lords pop up as well. The Scorn and Fallen House of Kings also appear to have a history in the new Dungeon.
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I love the Dark Age setting of Destiny, it's part of why the Drifter is my favorite character. Such an awesome combo of space futurism and post-apocalypse with a traditional medieval flair
agreed! and i love iron banner because of the warlord (and wolf-pack) themes
I like him as a canibal.
I would love to see an open world game like elden ring or horizon forbidden west set in the dark age!!
@@lewisf7190 yeah destiny is such a great fucking universe and has so much potential for other games
@@12SlimJimsmy favorite part about him lmao fools a savage
I could see the Fanatic controlling the scorn in the dungeon. If I recall correctly the Fanatic was wished back to life by Uldren , so maybe Fikrul could be trying to make a truly contestable force
Is Fikrul with the Witness though? I thought he didn't want none of what he was selling
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I'm thinking that the green bullshit may be a new strain of Dark Ether designed to create Scorn that aren't ultimately subservient to the Witness.
Taken though? No clue. Maybe they're actually fighting these Scorn.
If i recall last i heard the fanatic is mia, hidden on his own and not controlled by the witness
@@Sero4we don't know that but you're probably right. Seeing how Eramis hates what the Witness did to her House, Fikrul is going to be enraged by the witness using his children as Canon Fodderm
Would be great to hear Shaxx or Saladin or Drifter running tactical for this dungeon. Their experiences with the Warlords, Ahamkara, and the Taken would give some nice banter throughout the mission.
so ur gonna be happy... (some voice lines got leaked a while back that we are pretty sure are for this dungeon)
The HOUSE OF KINGS IS STILL ALIVE!! Reduced in power and weakened, yes, but NOWHERE in the Lore does it say they are extinct. Quite the opposite in fact, Destinypedia states the following,
“The last remnants of the House of Kings now reside near the Shard of the Traveler in the European Dead Zone.
Season of Arrival
"Why was the House of Kings researching Hive magic in the ruins of Oryx's Dreadnaught? Why would the Vex try and steal it? And what value does any of this have to Spider?"
- Ghost
Years before the Black Fleet arrived in the Solar System, the Kings lead a successful salvage operation on the Dreadnaught in an attempt to learn Hive magic from the ruins.[17] However, the Vex became curious about their operations and came into conflict with the salvage crew, leading to their disappearance.”
House of Kings was done dirty in Forsaken. Variks too. So much potential and setup undone in an instant. Can you imagine how cool it would be to fight Punished House of Kings who wield Hive Magic?
Tfw we never got to see buff Variks after he took all the ether reserves with him when he left the prison of elders.
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My theory is that Xivu Arath has sent them for one of Riven's eggs. I think she has done this to try and use Wish Magic to regain entrance to her Throne World
Possible but unlikely since I don't think she currently has an effective way of imposing her will on them since she doesn't have access to the ascendant plain.
Xivu do not controll scorn or taken anymore, is she?
That’s a good theory, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were true, Xivu is getting desperate so she will do whatever it takes to get back into her throne world.
nope its some warlord's final wish
@@gargathulothhastur4981nope she's all bark and no bite
Hey byf, I was trawling through the Ishtar collective, and noticed an extremely interesting lore card for the ship “unforeseen consequences”, I would highly recommend reading it.
Oh don’t worry. It’s on the to do list. Lots of lore this season that I’ve identified early that we’re gonna talk about.
@@MynameisByf The HOUSE OF KINGS IS STILL ALIVE!! Reduced in power and weakened, yes, but NOWHERE in the Lore does it say they are extinct. Quite the opposite in fact, Destinypedia states the following,
“The last remnants of the House of Kings now reside near the Shard of the Traveler in the European Dead Zone.
Season of Arrival
"Why was the House of Kings researching Hive magic in the ruins of Oryx's Dreadnaught? Why would the Vex try and steal it? And what value does any of this have to Spider?"
- Ghost
Years before the Black Fleet arrived in the Solar System, the Kings lead a successful salvage operation on the Dreadnaught in an attempt to learn Hive magic from the ruins.[17] However, the Vex became curious about their operations and came into conflict with the salvage crew, leading to their disappearance.”
House of Kings was done dirty in Forsaken. Variks too. So much potential and setup undone in an instant. Can you imagine how cool it would be to fight Punished House of Kings who wield Hive Magic?
@@MynameisByfnice can’t wait for the vid!!!
Dangit, shows how brainrotted I am with where "Unforseen Consequences" sends my thoughts.
It’s gonna take 3 months for the ship to come out, but I couldn’t help myself either… Oh no.
I like the nice simple answer that The Fanatic is leading the Scorn, who were once members of the House of Kings, to Shaxx's stash of Ahamkara trophies, and that his mere Wish is for the Scorn to gain autonomy. Either the Taken are there to seize the bones for the Witness' side, or the Fanatic has managed to wrangle some measure of control over them as he has the Scorn. I recall some lines from Season of the Lost where the Scorn are found in the Ascendant Plane, and seemed to be creating a sort of culture for themselves, with ritual combat or something. Memory fuzzy though.
if like byf says, there is a scorn 'warlord' in play, my guess would be the machinist. as one of the original scorn barons, she is one of the very few scorn still with a sense of self and in control of her own actions. we also know she can be brought back, as the heroic version of the scorn public event in the dreaming city literally brings her back. if any scorn would be brave enough to mess with wish magic, my 2nd bet would be the machinist (the mindbender would be my first guess). while its unlikely, id keep that possibility in the back of my mind.
I felt bad killing her as she was the closest to being her normal self despite outward appearances
Maybe the boss is a huge scorn who was transformed, but the scorn being the Kell for the house of Kings
Can you imagine if, as the Hunt was nearing it's end, one person got careless and Wished that they could be the one to kill the last Ahamkara? And so now they cant ever be finished off cause they got sent to some pocket dimension.
Personal theory on who's taken the Keep: Fikrul. If he's folded into the Witness's fortress, it'd make sense that he'd be given reins over the Taken, and he's probably the closest direct link to Wish Magic in the Witness's forces given he was the first Scorn raised by it.
Funniest theory: Kelgorath. Poor guy's gonna wish to be taken seriously.
Look up in the new heavy fusion rifle might be mentioning him.
@@Xmask There is no heavy fusion rifle, but Firkul is mentioned in the raid exotic Special Sidearm if that's what you were thinking of?
@@Xmaskheavy fusion rifle? what universe are you in?
Kelgorath is far from being used for anything serious anymore boi has been dunked on more times than a midget playing one on one
KELGORATH, MALDING WITH COPE
I always took the lore with Saladin and Efrideet fighting a dragon to be that Saladman wished to fight a classical dragon, and so an Ahamkara summoned one from fiction, basically pulling a dragon out of a d&d monster manual.
But that's just me.
My first thought whenever I see a ruined castle in fantasy games is a dragon’s lair. Surely this theme can’t be a coincidence when we’re in a season about Wish Dragon’s and dungeons at least having thematic correlations to their launch season.
I’m with you. I bet the corpse of the dragon Saladin fought *is* in that castle. Wouldn’t it be cool if the scorn and taken resurrect it and we fight it as the final boss!
Interesting find, the French word for « Warlord » in its name refers to a woman warlord, perhaps about Efreedit ? I can’t think of any other character that fit the description.
Edit : posted while I watched the vid but before the segment about the German translation, which basically says the same thing, cheers
efrideet wasn’t a warlord. i was thinking it could’ve been a rasputin submind bunker but i doubt they’d bring that back
Ah true, my mind went straight to iron lords when seeing « warlord » since a bunch (although not all) of them used to be warlords
@@Shiro-nt5gu yeah. more than likely it was a warlord’s castle but they’re long gone at this point. my guess is we’re getting taken and scorn bosses. possibly some unique models since i heard this dungeon is supposed to be really unique
@@sylokthedefiled cool, never heard of the unique thing so far, really looking forward to it !
@@Shiro-nt5gu same here. i’m tryna plan out a team today with friends so we can hop straight into it
I don't think it's wise to discount the House of Kings. The fate of their Kell is somewhat vague after he got docked. They've been pulling strings from the shadows before and may still do so.
Calling it now, it’s gonna be Kelgorath again cuz he appears in one of the lore tabs this season
My bet is that Fikrul is going to apear attempting to use wish magic to expand his powers so he can take back control of the scorn, maybe even attempt to use his power of redirection to even bring back an ahamkara as a new scorn.
There is a new lore drop in the Veil Containment that, if I remember correctly, may shed a light on things whether or not The Witness may have a part in this at all or what’s going outside of the Traveler. I found it very interesting.
There were missions before witch queen I believe that discussed the scorn evolving a culture of their own. That would suggest that they are developing free will over time.
Yeah season of the lost. One of the ley lines you can find a scorn fight club, which Mara notes isn't something the eliknsi have
Absolutely love your videos, your voice is so soothing to listen to when I’m falling asleep or stressed
We are what we survive, WE ARE WHAT WE SURVIVE!?! Dang! I never knew Lord Saladman could have a quote that went THAT HARD!
Beint able to see all that happens with the warlords and iron lords would be AMAZING for a new show. All the dots are there to connect
Destiny: The Iron Lords
Id watch that on Netflix!
The Warlords and the Iron Lords would be the perfect starting point for a Destiny TV show.
Totally fitting that Saladin straight up wished to fight something ancient he's read about. Nobody ever's really had the opportunity to kill a traditional dragon, and that sure would be a great thing to brag about.
I know this is not related at all, but there is a new ship that has interesting lore. It is Crow talking to Mara when she asks him if he could go back in time, what would he undo, in which crow said Cayde. Then after they are done talking and crow is walking away, Mara says "Goodbye.... O' Brother Mine' ", implying that he might have been talking to an illusion made by riven like in Forsaken. This is how I think Cayden is brought back.
Gheleon is a dragon in the makin.
I mean, HE HOARDS BONES IN HIS LAIR.
He's Destiny's Fafnir basiclly
Somehow Ahamkhara on the hunt make me think of a situation where they corner you and aggressively demand you to make wishes.
All I know is I am even more hyped. That green coming off the keep looks great.
The "Unforseen Consequences" lore is definitely something I look forward to hearing you touch on in a future video Byf. Hoping it's soon!
I seem to remember the Scorn creating their own culture, believing their own gods and having their own beliefs. It was straight up told us during the season before Witch Queen, the one with the Realmwalker seal. I'd day theres a possibility the scorn are trying to do this on their own free will and the taken are steadily in their way.
Isnt Fikrul a possible candidate?
To either build an unstoppable force. Which many pointed at
or more likely imo, to free the scorn all together
Now the issue with that is the taken presence which strongly denies fikrul but we could never know what the team is cooking
Byf I really hope you keep the long format videos rolling because hearing your voice has the same vibes of hearing Bill Nye the Science Guy when I was a kid 🤌🤌🤌
Speculation but the Vex seemed to be scanning a dead Riven in the 1st mission. Then Riven seemed to be a projection with Sav's distorted voice. In the Crows opening voice lines he speaks with Mara about betrayal, the Fanatic is still around and could feel betrayed by Uldren/Crow or Crow could be in charge and making a play for Mara's throne. Rise of Iron one Female Warlord stops Siva too btw.
The loretab for the seasonal artifact feels like an answer to Ikora asking her ghost to compile known material on the Ahamkara last season.
Checking the Spain localization of the TWID and can confirm, there it's called "Ruina de La Señora de La Guerra" which literally translates as "Ruin of The Lady of War" or "Lady of War's Ruin". There's no specific word in Spanish for Warlord so instead Lord/Lady (Señor/Señora) and War (Guerra) are used separately.
Thanks for the hard work!
I finally made it early also thank you for the lore content it’s very entertaining and informative have a nice day Mr Byf
Ragnus the tyrant seems to be in control, I guess it’s a new warlord
The second line on the dungeon pop up page says we'll be saving part of riven's clutch so I think that is the wish magic component
If the seasonal story ends with Riven somehow escaping with her eggs and allowing the wish dragons to exist again, that would be such a cool setup for a dragon hunting expansion later on.
Hmm, while it says we're stopping the Scorn and the Taken, that doesnt guarantee that they are allies in this dungeon. Fikril and the Witness could both be gunning for the Wish Magic, and are fighting over it. We'll just be coming in as a third party.
That would be pretty neat to see in a dungeon, and I could see some fun things you could do with that. Imagine an encounter where you have a scorn boss and a taken boss fighting each other.
@@csaver i mean, we've had encounters where adds fight each other all the way back in vanilla D2, so it's clearly possible.
Ah you mean we fight in the Apex Legends style 😂
The lore tabs for the dungeon's Exotic weapon and Equipment (Ship, Sparrow, or Ghost) will likely be crucial to learning about who the fortress belonged to and who is leading the Scorn there.
My brother in light, it's Kriegsherrin. Regarding the first letter the pronunciation of Herrin matches the pronunciation of Hotel. Krieg (War) Krieges/Kriegs (possessive case of War) Herrin (female Master/Lord). You were really close tho!
Hey Byf I know you are probably done with the Season of the witch, but I think you should speak about the Vex Bosses in the spire The Ternary Minds and their relation in creation to the Sol Progeny
I’m so excited for this dungeon just for the lore.
I kind of hope that this fortress was under the ownership of Shaxx. Would give us a good further look into his story, and even delve into the grudge between him and Felwinter.
My guess is that the castle belonged to Lord Shaxx. Not only was he a warlord before joining the city, he also has kept an Ahamkara skull nearby since D1. He also got some new voice lines for the recent festival of the lost, so this may be where we hear more about his past. The house of Kings took over the place in his absence. As for the actual dungeon, I have two ideas.
1. Fikrul the Fanatic is using the scorn to claim what Ahamkara remnants still lie hidden in the castle. It fits thematicaly. He was raised from the dead by an Ahamkara and the last time we saw him was Forsaken. However, if we fight Fikrul again, we won't kill him. We'll probably fight the Scorn version of the house of kings Kell instead. This will be bungie's way of reminding us who Fikrul and foreshadow the upcoming Heretic episode. It could also be that the Taken are being controlled by Riven like in the Last Wish raid but aren't particular about who they attack. Fikrul's plan could be to use wish magic to either return his crew back to life or recorrupt Crow/Uldren.
2. I'll admit, this idea is based on an old leak from back when Beyond Light dropped, and I hope it's not the case. The scorn and taken are being controlled by Xivu Arath. Riven alerts us that one of her eggs has appeared at the castle, and it's being used by Scorn and Taken for a ritual. Shaxx and Riven will be on comms to guide us through the castle. However, along with the egg's wish magic, us assaulting the castle completes the ritual and a portal opens up for Xivu Arath to step into our world ("You are war, and I conjure you with war and blood"). We then kill Xivu Arath for good, close the portal, and take back the egg. It will be called Warlords Ruin because we will be the ruin to the hive's Lord of War.
Second option doesn't seem likely anymore. If we kill Xivu bungie wouldn't make it happen in a dungeon... right?
@@antiope-d9780Better than a seasonal boss, but you never know.
Xivu wishing for Oryx to be brought back to his full power would be a fun one
would go against the Sword Logic, though.
Sepicks scorn the eyeball of riven lol I bet it’s coming back since they may want a throwback to the final mission of forsaken
Gellion really is a busta, I love this guy
Byf video, let's fuckin GOOOO!!!
my first suspect if Xivu, assuming the witness is solely focused on what it has going on in the traveler
This whole season feels like we are setting up the big bad after the Witness. The return of ahamakara would make for some crazy story archs.
I can imagine that if Xivu Arath is the one seeking Wish Magic, she might be looking for a way to undo what Eris did to her last season. Either that, or this is Fikrul's doing, though he would have less of an association with the Taken unless the Witness gave him control.
I hope it’s shaxx related so badly. Need more shaxx stuff
I think that a Fallen Warlord from the House of Kings found an Ahamkara or Ahamkara bone and dared to use the Ahamkara to gain power. But like many who bargain with an Ahamkara, their wish was a monkeys paw, and they paid the price for it with their life and are now Scorn. If it was a live Ahamkara they bargained with, then the Ahamkara could be the directing force in dungeon and we could very well be fighting that Ahamkara as the final boss.
I also think this might have been the fortress of Citan.
I need to know if i'm the only one that says, "greetings guardians, my name is byf here" along with the video in my best byf voice, or not.
Wasn’t there a LMG in D1 called RUIN WAKE🤔 loved that gun!
My theory is that this will be the former Kell of House of Kings having stolen Scorn, Taken and at least one of Rivens Eggs now entrenched in an old keep of a Warlord that was a House of Kings base.
BYF YOU NEED TO READ THE LORE ON THE EXOTIC SHIP WE GET FROM THIS SEASON THATS ABOUT CROW AND “MARA” TALKING AT MARAS OLD THRONE IN THE REEF ITS A HUGE REVEAL.
😮 damn that is wow just :o
@@johngancarcik5682 RIGHT? Like holy shit.
Thanks!
Filrul "shouldnt" have control of the Taken, so i don't think its him. Xivu makes sense, as a means of desparation. She may see wish magic as the only thing that can restore her to her throne. Just a guess.
I think it might be nezarec since we know he's not fully dead so he could be trying to gain a body again with a wish or the lamest possibility is that the witness themself is trying to fight fire with fire and trying to use a wish to block the portal from allowing anything in since Savathun's wish was to "follow the witness" and thus be bent to make you follow it into the final shape
Hear me out the bosses of the dungeon are as follows Exo Taniks then Scorn Taniks then Taken Taniks
The leaks from the Bungie staff let go says that this is a direct sequel to Shattered Throne, and is part of lifting the Dreaming City curse (which will happen, no matter what Mara said about it being impossible) and returning it to Mara's control.
Isn’t there a bunch of lore surrounding the nine and ahamkara being involved on Venus to some extent. I believe this is further hinted at with the “12 territories overlap with no conflict when they ALL gather”
Kelgorath really is our punching bag throughout the last few seasons. Let him rest
I wonder if the Warlords Ruin has something to do with Lord Shaxx. After all he had a few new lines in the Halloween event and he was involved in Ahamkara hunting.
If the fanatic was member of the house of kings that would be interesting background 🤩
Honestly, it would make total sense if the final boss is an ahamkara. Think about it: we are going into a medieval like castle, and the Ahamkara could represent a fire-breathing dragon.
I was thinking the same, and I think back to when Lord Saladin encountered an ahamkara and wished to fight a dragon, and it granted his wish transferring into a classic fire breathing dragon. That would be such an epic dungeon boss, however we haven't seen a new event type emerge from a dungeon before so it's unlikely.
Wasn’t there a mission where we saw Scorn developing their own culture?
Raz Makharin is back. And all the dungeon mechanic is built up around her bladehair weapon.
This will be the best dungeon ever!
Will this be the first encounter of Scorn in any of Earth locations? I don’t recall of any other time Scorn were in Cosmodrome or EDZ
I will never not laugh at "Why in the Traveler's crack"
Now what if those 7 Ahamkara are running around posibg as guardians? 🤔 That's a scary thought
I want to believe that the house of kings are still holding strong I really really do because the thought of all the kings falling to that peacock makes me sick
I honestly think The Witness would find wish magic below it so I believe it to be either Xivu or a Taken Warlord
I’m not super up to date on the lore but I’m so shocked that the iron lords even came into contact with an ahamkhara
Imagine if we went back to the dark age after the Final Shape. I think sunsetting could work if there was an exciting narrative to pave a way for it.
Ngl, gheleon is my favorite hunter. He represents me as a hunter main for sure, I mainly use armor that contains bones on it or shaders that give bone like textures. Because of this i love Ahamkara, and man Gheleon just seems metal af
its so funny how byf is talking german😂 sounds super
What if, and it's a giant if, there's a golden age eliksni who partnered with a ghost hidden away in the castle
I actually don’t think this will be likely… but still gonna throw it out there anyways. Eramis has been missing for some time. During season of the seraph it was told that punished fallen from the house of salvation were turned into scorn. Eramis showed mercy to us during the season of defiance right before she went silent. What if she’s been punished? And what if we see her scorn form in the dungeon?
It would be sick if they meshed taken, scorn-like siva infested bodies of the warlords and/or iron lords defending an egg or something to that extent like the bodies we found back in D1 ROI
My prediction is either we secure an ahamkara egg or when we get to the final room/boss the egg hatches in front of us and we have to kill the newly hatched ahamkara
Wasn't there that onr mad iron lord bloke who carved ahamkara bones...? Wouldn't it be his castle? Also would provide reason for the wish dragons bones being there
Sidereal is a star and math word. It deals with the observer and rotation and such. Like relationships of elements and i think that’s the way destiny is using it when the neomuni talk of it. The flow of the river.
Something noone really talks about is how impossible of a task it is that is purging all ahamkara influence in the system. Its never really gone over how much less power an ahamkara might have in death, its only stated that wishes can be made with their remains and plenty of remains exist in our space. Shaxx, Eris, Mara Sov, our guardian: all have their bones and some use them regularly. Our guardian has probably made the most wishes considering we could interact with huggins and another ahamkara skull in the dreaming city to exchange materials and thats without considering the exotic armors that use their bones. There will always be bones and its never stated that a group of fanatical guardians couldn't simply WISH an ahamkara back to life. Think about that. Even if we did kill every one in the system we don't know where they came from and their power effects reality itself even in death so they would always be a threat. We honestly need to hear more from Eris on how she contains her "rock" with hive magic to the point that she's comfortable using it to teleport like seen in the season of the haunted glaive lore tab: Nezarec's whisper. Anyone else got any similar ideas?
Sooooo, on the idea of Ahamkara remains.....Riven's body? Innnnn the first mission? Which we took a tooth from and left? Any possibilities there?
I am so sold now, Warlord's Ruin is going to be the first Dungeon I intend to complete day one!
It's amusing to me that Destiny is far future, and people will find myths, legends, works of fiction and presume that events within actually took place.
Which I'm sure leads to events like that of Saladin. With a whole ass "that sounds cool, I wanna fight one too" vibe.
Was the Dragon wished into being a "classical" dragon? Or an Ahamkara? Because that too me is an important distinction.
A dark age Destiny sounds fun!
Ive been asking for a DLC with Clan housing and clan wars (massive pvp battles) about these Warlords and we get a halfassed season… maybe after the next dlc it could be eluding to something?
Okay. Some intel on german words:
Lots of terms in German are combinations of two or more single words. Kindergarten, for instance, is quite self explanatory. Kinder (children) + Garten (garden).
When pronouncing Kriegsherr/in it's important to keep in mind, that this too, is the case here. Kriegsherr consists of Krieg (war) and Herr (Master), therefore implying a leading figure in armed conflict or such. The word Kriegsherrin is to be pronounced somewhat seperately from itself. Kriegs-Herrin.
I hope this helps. Have a good day!
I’m gonna go out on a limb and call it being Shaxx’s old castle
I wonder if this dungeon is the reason they brought back a lot of the older ib armor.
how do we not know that riven set this up years ago when she made a bargin with the Taken King
Personally given rivens immediate refusal to grant a wish I have a feeling the idea of the ahamkara granting ANY of the witnesses wishes would be entirely counterproductive. They bargain with wishes. The witness would see it that they no longer exist at all along with anything with desires. The only kind of ahamkara that would see any benefit in that is one that just spitefully wants the ceasing of existence
Wasn't Eramis from the house of kings? Or was she house of devils? either way, could she be involved here?
my guess is the scorn are trying to combine the power of some bones with dark aether
Either Xivu Arath, or if you want to go left field, Fikrul? or Even Riven (she was Taken after all) "As best we Know" means we do NOT know!!
Otto is my favorite character in destiny, even if there are few details about him. I love lament and strongholds, there is not enough details about him so I can pretend my destiny character is him.
Are we going to just ignore the Wrathborn green thing coming out of the castle??