Pat and Amanda Play Tak: Game 1
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- Pat Rothfuss goes head to head with his assistant Amanda in a game of Tak!
Tak is the strategy game introduced in Pat's book, The Wise Man's Fear. Developed by James Ernest at Cheapass Games, the real-world Tak is an elegant game that's simple to learn and easy to play, but with TONS of underlying strategy.
They start with a quick tutorial, then it's game time.
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Watch game two:
• Pat and Amanda Play Ta...
![Tak Gameplay: BenWo vs JT [5x5] (1)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PbD1wfaq2nU/mqdefault.jpg)
Pat is exactly how I imagine Manet.
Funny... I didn't think about it until I saw this comment, but... same.
For me is how I imagine threpe haha
Yah... he cant end his book like Manet the Academy because he dont want to do...
Actual video starts at 7:45 , before that is just Pat and Amanda chatting with each other.
I note this because I always wish people would do this for me.
A.G. Palmer Thanks!!!
legend
thanks :)
You are very much appreciated
If his vlogging is like his writing the game would start at 57:00
Among all modern abstract chess/draughts-like games, this is the most complete, intriguing and satisfying!
We are so glad you like it!
I love how Rothfuss is like bredon and Amanda is like kvothe
This is really interesting! I thought about playing this with friends, and I realized something. I'm Swedish, so we'd probably use Swedish words for everything. Road in Swedish is "väg", and wall in Swedish is "vägg", so that might be a little confusing. And "tak" is actually the Swedish word for ceiling or roof. I find that a bit amusing.
I went to high school with Amanda! I just realized this Amanda was the Amanda I knew lol. Awesome stream by the way!
I love Tak.
It must be awesome when you have an image in your head and you finally get to physically create this idea and play the game of your own thoughts for real.
Thanks for creating what you had on your mind Pat (and James)
This game will be played for a very long time, and I think you'll be remembered for several of the next centuries.. 🤘
Well at least, in my family the game will get passed from generation to generation, I hope !
It's a beautiful game. :-)
But is it of Lethani?
@@theengines4802 No. Yes. Complicated.
Dude whaaaat!!! I can’t believe they actually have this game
Brings new meaning to rereading the second book
Yep and you can get your own copy of the game at worldbuildersmarket.com we have lots of options.
Pat is like a drug-dealer who got you hooked up but is not supplying you drugs.
GRABA85 Man I've been tweaking out for 4 years and no matter what I can't get my fix😂
Yeah I read the first books over and over as a substitutive but it’s not nearly enough. :,(
bit unfair
the drug dealer would prob steal your money as much as possible.
Written two years ago💀
He turned us all into sweet eaters.
I gave my friend "Name of the Wind." A year later, he gave me this game!
I love this game, I have a set myself and I have never played a game that is so organic and graceful as this one.
this game looks amazing, it is like checkers on steroids but it won't end up the way checkers always does, with one player stuck up against a wall, too afraid to move out and the other player unable to hop them.
a nice balance between checkers simplicity and chess' depth.
I honestly really want to be friends with Pat. He seems like such a great guy.
yeah, the best
She should have won after his play at 42:36. She takes the top 4. Leaving browns on top of her 2 pieces and knocking the white wall with her capstone (did I read it correctly?). Game looks great, just heard about it from another RUclips channel, will be getting a few copies for my school
Nvm. Just heard him say it a few seconds later. Cheers.
she has the win in one move@ 51:30, and even earlier as well, since she made kind of a pointless move previously. If she moves her blocker piece onto the center square, it's tak with her cap stone going down the lane where her blocker piece is. You guys kind of saw it, but didn't play it out with the capstone.
The capstone only has 2 black stones under it plus itself. It can go down the row but it'll leave that tower it's on controlled by white. Nonetheless it's a great threat to leave out. I think his move would have been the same though - putting out those 3 white pieces in a row is nice. And then her response seems correct. From that point, neither person has an immediate win.
Wow, I actually love this! I so need to play it now!
Very different from the way I imagined it when reading "The wise man's fear". I thought Tak was more a game like Go or Othello.
my friends and I have been playing this for about a month and a half now. Originally we found the beta rules to be very good with one exception. There needs to be a wall limit for each player, otherwise walls just pop up everywhere and the game gets a bit untactical, and it's just about who puts up walls where. So we cam up with the rule of; board length minus 1 split in half (so for a 5X5 board it's 2 walls per player on the board at any time, consequently for the 7x7 and 8X8 the wall limit is 3 per player) this forces the players to think more tactically instead of "oh you're tak? sweet ill just put a wall there", when it comes to the use of a capstone to crush a wall, consequently this frees up a space for another wall so as was stated, X amount of walls per player on the board at any one time.
trotty70289 I don't have experience like you....I just got my set a couple days ago. Is it difficult to go around and crush them with your capstone?
SInce the Capstone must act alone on crushing a wall, it CAN be difficult at the beginning of a game. Later on, when walls are on higher stacks, the Cap will be even more powerful and have a nice mobility.
We don't have a wall limit since the pther player can just continue to place new stones to increase his chances of a "flat victory" AND give him more power on the board. So, in my opinion, you don't actually need a wall limit.
wouldn't you be able to make a line of walls then just crush it with your own capstone to win?? and if they crush em then the other player can't leave the stack
@@williamrobinson8959 No, because the other player could just come behind your capstone and stack on top of your road. Even with an unlimited number of walls, there is still a ton of strategy. Throwing walls down, doesn't help you, and crushing them is too slow to be a great strategy. it's all about when and where to play walls and capstones
Man I wish I had known about the kickstarter :/ Those wooden boards are so much better than the cardboard one
If you'd like to pick up one of the wooden boards, they're available on The Tinker's Packs: thetinkerspacks.com/products/tak-arcanists-board
not what i had expected when reading the book but looks interesting all the same. look forward to trying it out soon
TheEristicWriter for me its actually a very good representation of the book game, the only thing that i think changes in the book is that kvothe and bredon play it in an 8x8 setup, wich is a lot more difficult and requires a lot of strategy, so i think this game in the 8x8 format is what they play in the book (sorry if theres bad english)
TheEristicWriter honestly, I just pictured Go. I like this a lot better.
McBehrer same! That’s what I was picturing when reading
9:48 that eyeroll
this game is addictive i need people to play against damnit!!
I can't tell whether Pat was being nice or not the entire game. He could have won so many different times with his high stacks
It's not about winning, it's about playing a beautiful game
+Liliana Lancheros while you have a point, many of his finishing moves would have been intricate and worthy of a win (in my opinion of course).
@@lily-_- Thats just silly
This mans beard is INCREDIBLE.
I'm so happy with my Tak Kickstarter
Well he did say it was way better than the gwent and while I dont agree with that, its really amazing that he made this up while writing and made it into something this cool.
40:34 that killed me 😂
😂
Also I'm pretty sure Pat accidentally took two turns in a row. When he said "so it's my turn right?" after that long pause, it was in fact Amanda's turn. I could be wrong but I'm pretty darn sure
Good lord, that move she made at 41:57 was endlessly frustrating. If she had instead played a road on the square that Pat uses to block, it would've been a guaranteed victory.
richard trumpet the point of the game is not to win. The point is to play a beautiful game.
when are you going to make rules for corners?
Thanks for asking, Phil - we don't make the rules, that's up to Pat and James Ernest, the designers. I'm guessing the Tak Association has some ideas for it, though.
Question I’ve seen it happen twice now can you move a stack you control in its entirety or do you need to leave a piece behind? Because I’ve always played it to leave it behind but here I’ve noticed you moved the stacks in it’s entirety
Tribute Replay:
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I put together a sequence of the game from different angles to help better see the play without needing to rotate the board. I think it's easier to keep pace and see how the board develops, but my position is biased from more than a week of work.
Just discovered this existed and gonna pick it up having really enjoyed the books and I love a good abstract game. However, I think Pat could have won at 24.25? That is if my understanding of movement is correct. Which it might not be. However, instead of putting the piece behind the stack with capstone could he have moved the stack with capstone on towards Amanda depositing the bottom white in the stack (5th stone down) then moved towards himself leaving the black and white stone on one of the black pieces nearest him then the black piece and capstone on the last piece closest to him? However, if you can only move in one straight direction when you move and not in any, just as long as it's orthogonal, then I'm wrong.
Edit. Should have not paused and just kept watching just after.
I want to play but no one I know knows about this series or will play a new game like this :( lol so bummed
Check out the US Tak Association. They're a good resource for finding other Tak players, tournaments, and online resources!
ustak.org/
i jsut got his game for christmas and i wanted to see a beutiful game
19:18 is where the game starts. Before that was chit chat and then a tutorial.
36:48 couldn't Pat have dropped off the black stone under the capstone and gotten on top of the tower first?
table top spoiled! Pat on Eldritch Horror? can't wait.
20:00 Tak is a deterministic 2 player game with full knowledge. There is no draw in Tak, so there are only 3 options ( for each board size it could be different)
1) starting player has winning strategy
2) second player has winning strategy
3) there is a sequence of optimal moves for both sides that causes the game repeat board positions, so game loops itself.
Determining/calculating/proving which case is for a particular game is trivial for games as Tic tac toe, somewhat harder for Connect 4 or not done yet for chess. But it is not possible to starting player to have a slight advantage. If a player has advantage in deterministic game it means there is winning strategy no matter what opponent plays. Of course there is a matter of calculating and remembering such strategy. :)
While that is true in a pure mathematical sense, humans are heuristic and most deterministic games behave like one side has an advantage.
In modern Go the first turn advantage is often assumed to be between 5 and 9 points (in a game where typical scores are about 100). In Chess the first move advantage is often about 5% higher win rate.
Remind me never to play tak with an engineer 😁
At the 51:00 mark, couldn't she put a fence on space E3 (letters across the top)?
Nice idea!
hes copying that from someone else he saw doing it, you can be sure nothing anyone suggests on youtube is brand new never seen before tactics. people just regurgitate the same shit they copy from others over and over and actually take pride when people say well done. as if they invented it themselves
Part of playing a beautiful game is, the more you play it, the more roads to victory you have seen and can use in the future. It's not about who came up with it or who gets credit. It seems you may have missed the point of courtly Tak...
Noticed that too!
katty corner! come on!!!!
What's with the shelf of Alfs in the background
did anything else think tak was go when they read about it in the books?
I thought something similar, but not exactly the same.
Yes. That was the first game that came to mind.Or something similar like Othello. This Tak game sounds like fun. But not what I imagined.
At 53:45, isn't it Amanda's Tak, she can move the stack under her capstone and drop into the three spaces to make a road from left to right?
Ah, no, of course, only five pieces off the top
At 51:00 couldn't she have grabbed the stack at E2 (the stack thats close to the camera) and left the bottom piece and then moved it to D2 and to C2 so she'd control C2, D2 and E2?
I was thinking that, but his response would have been to move his capstone from D3 to E3, grabbing all her pieces under it. That would form a road.
But then at 54:00 he fails to see that she can use her capstone to win.
Faeriniel rules: every 3 turns, you have to turn the board!!
Pat's pieces look like pineapple chunks.
Dude are you a wizard
this may have been asked... on the first move, can i lay the opponent's capstone?
Anthony Forde no, only a stone laying flat.
Could Pat not have completed a road at 41:29 by moving his Capstone stack down one space, leaving the bottom white flatstone and then moving the rest of the stack on more space on top of the black controlled stack of 3 tiles?
William Buchanan I think you only can move in one direction when moving a stack. So you can't go right and then forward
Ah yes, I see that now. That makes it much more interesting actually! Thanks.
Hm. Game seems to have a slight echo of Emmanual Lasker's game 'Laska', in which stacks are captured and freed. Very different games, but that common element.
I've had a lot of fun with Tak, but the last time my roommate and I sat down to play (8 games, each going first 4 times) the first player won every single game. I'm starting to feel the first player may have too much advantage. Sad because it really is wonderfully conceived.
There's a standard extra rule for such games, I think it's called a "pie rule". The first player gets their turn and then the second player inspects the board and decides whether to trade with player 1. That way if the opening move is too strong, player 2 wins (by switching). Unfortunately I don't think the first move matters as much with Tak, so maybe pie rule could be employed after 3 or 5 moves instead of 1. (The standard Tak opening is kinda like switching after 2 moves... weird)
tak is my name
Can you crush your own walls?
Yes you can, and it's a nice strategy, since walls tend to go invisible in a heated game.
here in Chile its imposible to find the game... :(
sebastian galvez just do what i did... print a board and use tokens from other games... or u could even use quarters... heads are walls and tails roads... and for the capstones just use a rock or something.....im poor so i end up building most of my own games. XD
sebastian galvez im in chile two:(
22:06 she is like: WHO THE FUCK IS SARAH??? You cheating bastard
Pat sounds like Malkovich
When is this game gonna be buy-able? :) Really need it in mah lyfe!
Are those stuffed Owl Bears?
Is it just me thinking that the move at 43:50 does block the tak? Because Amanda would then have to move 7 peices out of her stack to join the road
yes, that would have done the trick. But the game would have been over soon. She just could have moved the capstone+2 one step to the side and would have trapped his capstone
Can you put your own pieces on top of each other, or can you only "cover" your opponents' pieces?
I think you can, Pat did it in the beginning of the video around 13:20
You can move it onto your own stack. It could be part of a strategy.
When I started read "The name of the wind" Rothfuss had red hair and beard.... now he has white hair, and still we haven't the third part of the story!!!! xDDD
I think he is fighting a eternal tak play with G.R.R. Martin....
In other hand, tak looks really awesome, and more for people like me who like a lot of games similar to chess, but not the chess (because chess is too obviuos, always the same, etc).
I'm waiting for the game became more known and it came to Spain.
Game starts at 19:03.
Wow why is this game not famous like chess? In some ways it is even better :)
We have yet to see how well it compares to the near limitless depth of chess developed through centuries.
Information on Tak
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44:12 I think she couldnt win because she can only pick up 5 pieces from the tower.
i didn't understand why he did that as well
I think actually she could have won. There are some pieces hidden by the camera angle, grabbing 4 pieces from the tower is enough to connect everything for the win.
Pat. Did you know that chess was played with you not choosing your piece, to move, but having that choice randomized for you?
at 42:40, doesn't she still have Tak? she could take the top 4 of her giant stack and move them up, drop a black, then drop then next two, then use the capstone to crush his wall and win?
oh, he called it out. cool
i remember this guy from a d&d live show any one know the name?
James Clemmons It's called Acquisitions, Incorporated. Pat is a frequent guest star, but not a core member of the team.
Pat is Viari in Acq.Inc A Team.
Pat could play a great Master Kilvin
No, Master Kilvin is cealdish and is dark-skinned. Pat could play a great Manet. I've always pictured Idris Elba as Master Kilvin.
Is this game available in India?
We at Worldbuilders (a charity that Patrick started ) sell it many different different version of it. Check out it out worldbuildersmarket.com/search?q=tak .
@@WorldbuildersInc thank you!
You are welcome. Glad to help.
The white pieces remind me of sliced potatoes...
Now we need tirani
Hay you sold my name
To be honest, I still dont belive that Tak isnt just Go
Tic Tak Go
Same here. The Tak game actually reminds me of a fancy "Connect Four" or Tic-Tac-Toe with a couple of extra rules.
Anybody else want to square the board up with the screen? OCD problems lol
"I'm ALSO really fucking lazy."
Book three knows.
nah, doesnt beat chess
A little less playing, a little more writing a book, please.
That cartoonist guy who does all his stuff is objectively very, very terrible...
meh
Pat,just tell us;" book is finished like 5 years ago, but i want money and publicity , i'm scared to lose that if i give u 3rd book because that is the reason why u watch me play games in first place. Also i need for you to byes my other books".
don't lie to us, we are the fucking reason u are where u are dude,it's not cool. remember what your life look like before 1st book, and how long after u published 2nd one. l'm, (we) are not blind u know . I hate to compared people,but your constant talk about editing and re editing made me to. l want all of u to look Brandon Sanderson's books and tell me that he is bad writer because he don't need fucking decade to release book.
brandon sanderson is extraordinary in that regard most authors who write large complicated fantasy books do take a long time (George RR martin for instance) and while i partially agree with you that this book maybe shouldnt take as long as it has to write... you cant rush an artist let him take his time let him work at his craft the reason you are upset (im assuming ) is because you really enjoyed the first two books.. in which case you shouldnt want him to rush the third one out just because we as fans are growing impatient. Let him take his time and craft the amazing book the third book will undoubtedly be.
PS we as fans didnt really get him anywhere... he got himself in his position by being a incredible writer and working hard at a story for our enjoyment We as fans simply purchased a book from the store that doesnt make us his masters.