The Avianca Lifemiles Cards from Cardless | Actually Some Decent Value
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- These might even be the "best" Airline Cardless cards yet...the Avianca Cards have reasonable welcome offers and automatic Status; and the Elite card offers a nice bounty of benefits and "free" points. Let's talk about them.
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If they are an airline you fly that second card could be really, really nice. Great video Matt.
I would take the Elite if I were to get one. Thanks RJ!
Only correction is that Red Plus is not equivalent to just basic member status. So you don't get it immediately upon signing up to lifemiles. You do have to earn it. Its benefits are negligible, but just thought I'd put that out in case people think that everyone who signs up for lifemiles automatically gets some form of elite status. Avianca makes you earn miles by flying on its own metal before giving out any status. As a Colombian living in NYC (so I fly Avianca at least once a year), the elite card offers an intriguing proposition. Worth some more consideration before I pull the trigger. Good breakdown
Thank you for the heads up! I wasn’t aware. I’m contemplating getting an account with Avianca and using it as a way to jump start status with other Star alliance airlines, but still undecided on these cards.
@@MattClausen I've had great success with lifemiles redemptions in the past, which has made lifemiles my preferred loyalty program (as far as airlines go). But they're still such niche cards that I find it difficult to believe that they'll last long in the American market. But only time will tell. I barely missed qualifying for silver status on my own last year, so as an Avianca flyer it's nice to know that I can get some additional lounge visits when I go to Colombia. Red Plus only grants you one visit a year
Excellent info. Always glad to hear your thoughts and analysis. I believe I agree with you if you are getting either card.
I *think* the Elite card *might* be a strong play. I don’t know if the LifeMiles+ Basic is an incredible value. Then again I haven’t been hit with Avianca Change/Cancel fees
Second card seems like a sleeper if you are a huge Star Alliance fan. Good info Matt as always.
Has the capability of being SNEAKY good.
Thanks Jon!
No fees if changes or cancellations - Does not apply to members with lite plan
Silver status on the website....
Additional checked bags in economy fares - Does not apply for basic and light fares
Only works with classic and flex but you already pay for a checked bag
So 2 checked bags 1 paid 1 free
Economy seat selection - Does not apply for basic and light fares
Yeah. Change and Cancel fee avoidance is Lifemiles+ Basic, which will run $360 a year. But one cancellation on a flight for 3 and you’re more than covered. That part is decent.
Didn’t look too deep into the fare classes. But those sound less Ideal.
Then again if I got one of these cards I would t necessarily be flying Avianca Metal…
@@MattClausenso if you have this card and buy an elevated fare no change fees? Problem with partner awards is they’re only one class, elevated economy only available for avianca metal. So I wonder if this benefit still applies because I definitely try to be sure of my plans when booking thru them which I do about twice a year at least
Also status matching doesn’t work within an alliance right? Star silver would give a lower level of benefits on United than actual United silver I’d think
The cards are niche, but the Elite card is interesting with a Basic or Pro plan. In the T&C, the travel category is really, really broad. So, the card would basically be 4x restaurant and all travel (including rival airlines like Delta) for the first $1000 or $2250 each month. The math makes it competitive, but the need to hit that target every month without over or undershooting the spend makes breakage pretty high likelihood. The math gets really wonky, but it becomes like buying a whole lot of Lifemiles at 1.23 to 1.45cpp when you consider the difference in earning/AF vs an Autograph or an Amex Green.
I hadn’t gone that far with the math. Though you have to hit a TON of spend to offset Pro…but if you can, yeah…could work well.
@@MattClausen yeah, the card is really good for someone fully in the Lifemiles ecosystem and that travels a ton. I mean, I've been thinking about this more and more with the Flying Blue card, which gets 3x on all SkyTeam (including Delta) -- you can make a case that American road warriors that understand the value of miles should just switch to international programs. Why not credit all your United flights to Avianca and go all in on Lifemiles on the company dime? But I don't think these cards make sense for the CC maximizers. You can get 4x Lifemiles with the Amex Gold.
Thanks for the info + video!
Thanks Jimmy!
Nice video!!! Do you know if there's a time limit for double the points for the up to 1000 miles per month?
The double points is up to the spend, but that’s dictated by your LifeMiles+ subscription. The Lite is “free” with the card.
@@MattClausen Got it, makes sense. Thanks. I was just wondering because I've seen other cards placing a fine print for this type of benefits of up to 12 months, after that you won't earn the benefits anymore.
Crunching some numbers I estimate you can break even each year if you redeem at least 100-125k lifemiles. Definitely doable but a bit of an obligation. And only the more expensive second tier of the lifemiles+ subscription includes free cancellation
Interesting. I know the lifemiles+ is an interesting play. But how useful it will be I don’t know.
Excellent video Matt. Both cards are ok. I was expecting the 245$ with Gold Status 🤷♂️. That would have made it a no brainer
I thought Gold was a possibility too, but I guess Silver is fine-ish...It SHOULD be an option with those LifeMiles+ Pro and Max Subscriptions...but it is what it is.
Great job on RUclips ❤
Thanks!!
I’m interested… but do you think that this new card launch puts pressure on the transferable partners? Do you think this is a sign perhaps no more transfer points multipliers for lifemiles
I mean it could but Citi and Wells just announced new cards with decent earnings for LifeMiles, it may get them to do more with their top cards. I think Avianca is also AmEx or Capital One. There’s no changing the Venture X. I dunno about the Plat.
Do you think pro or max earned points count towards elite status? Gold is 24k miles or spend?
I’m sure they will.
@@MattClausen if that is the case you may get Gold just by meeting the welcome bonus with the subscription added.
@@Zenichiro oh. Welcome offer points don’t usually count. I should look into it more
@@MattClausen I know that I meant the points earned through spend and the added subscription would be enough to spend to gold status pretty quickly. Meaning by the time you hit the welcome bonus you may have gold
Interesting, I wonder if just by accumulating points with the card you could level up from Silver to Gold
Also wonder if this card caused United to pull a lot of their reward partner flights…
Not sure. It’s possible.
I tried to apply, but I got stuck on my phone number (it keeps saying it's not valid). No way to contact them (may be wrong but no luck as of now).
I would like to have it, but if that's the customer service........
Uh oh. Small companies will have CS issues….hopefully you’re able to get through for it.
Unfortunately I have tried like 10 times (hoping it was just a random glitch) all with the same error.
I have venture x, Amex Green, Gold, Delta Reserve, citi premier(now unwilling Strata), custom cash, Double Cash, Simplicity, PayPal MC , Discover it (just for transfers) No issue with any of these..... seamless process...
Lots of info on this one
I try
@@MattClausen keep it up!
Doing everything I can!
The 1,000 mile per month cap is very disappointing. Way too low. I had big expectations for this card but that killed the deal for me.
I think if you do the Basic subscription you get extra. But I get it. The Lite is technically 1500 free miles, but fair enough
For that pesky algorithm!
Haha thanks!