You should have seen what came before it, The Munga,it was a three cylinder two stroke. Having said that,it was well built,superior in build to The Iltis and a beast off road. The main problem was keeping the 'zweitakter,'(engine,it had three contact breakers and was on the front of the crank) in tune. There are company's in Germany who supply parts for both,, Kemper,and one in Flensburg on the Baltic. The guy I used to get parts from Achim Maas was in Achen and has disappeared. I had two German pals in Scotland back in the 1980s who had both been Bundeswehr. One of them Udo,reckoned the engine was a Passat.His mate Jurgen had one. Always wondered how The Canucks ended up with em. When I was in Germany we used to take shots of their M38s They liked our Half Ton Rovers. The Krauts had DKW Mungas. Flew across the ranges,you would expect that with a German driving. Full Power, - Nutters !
They look like cool summer vehicles like the Mini Moke! I can certainly see the appeal of a fun little runabout but (unfortunately) also see the amount of work. Probably not too bad for an experienced DIY'er to patch up one out of the two and use for the summer.
My buddy has 2 of them just got the 1 road safety inspected last year. At least his came with the steel doors, and the proper framed & fitted insulated canvas roof... About an hour west of Montreal.
They were nice when we first got them and that point all the canvas fit much better than our old M38's Jeep. They were nippy little trucks, but the Germans were getting rid of theirs and replaced them with G-wagons. Which is what we should have done. There are collectors who would take the better one.
I joined the reserves in 82 and with some time out and back in served for 30 years. Most of us hated these vehicles for many reasons like driving them 90k on the highway ,canvas tops and doors with windows that would start out transparent and turn opaque over time, inadequate heaters and of course a single barreled carb. which gave you an awesome 0 to 60 time of I think several minutes if you could get it to 60 because you weren't able or allowed to drive that fast. I recollect 97km an hr downhill in one but I'm probably being optimistic. . My favorite experience was returning from a 2 week exercise and being voluntold I had to drive one 400km home to my unit. The electrical system failed and filled the floor of the back seat with battery acid when the batteries boiled over. I enjoyed the tow truck drive. Built originally by VW and eventually under licence by Bombardier. The mechanics didn't think much of them but they were reasonably reliable. (I hope a Greasy Paw or two can chime in with their opinion.) One good thing is they had a stonking good ist gear. Got you out when you engaged it and pulled on the locker. They rusted out terribly and were not ballistically safe. There was no armour protection and this was evident with casualties early in the Afghan campaign. I never understood why the Cdn Military adopted a gasoline powered vehicle when the doctrine for one fuel type on the battlefield made more sense. Never accuse a procurement person working for DND of making a sensible decision. Even when they tried they were hamstrung by their bosses who often overruled them. Politics ? There seems to be a lot of it around these vehicles and the other contract Bombardier had for the MLVW ("Medium Logistics Vehicle, Wheeled en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Support_Vehicle_System). I don't remember them fondly and if they all turned to dust today I would not miss them. I drove them long distances and you have to be young and fit to endure these things for any length of time. Get rid of these ASAP and do not volunteer to repair one for your own sanity.
I was in 1 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (Army of the West) in the early 80s and had an M38 as my personal vehicle. I remember turning in the M38 for a brand new Iltis. I think that was almost the first new vehicle I ever saw. The only other new vehicles I can recall were when we handed in the 3/4 ton M37s for the Dodge Power Wagons in the 1970s. They were a lot more comfortable, having automotive style seats and decent heaters, but off road could not compare to the M37s. I liked the Iltis because it was a lot faster on long road moves (my experience obviously differs from daveh329) than the M38s, and it had a heater, which no M38 I ever drove did. Off-road performance was not bad either. If I could get a good one today, I would happily give it a home, though I would actually prefer an M38.
The Krauts always had heaters ! I remember our guys wearing German Army sleeping bags with arms in them in our Bedfords and Rovers no heaters of course or not worth a flying f - - - if it had one,which was unusual,someone in procurement made a mistake !@@davidbuck5864
Looks a bit like a Styr-Puch Haflinger from Austria. They originally had a little air cooled VTwin engine in the rear. There are a few in Australia, along with the big brother, the Pinzgauer!
They look like something I drew in infant school good luck fixing them up Mike sounds like you’re going to save yourself the time and hassle I’ll bring you my landy to sort out instead 😅
@@BritannicaRestorations funny you should that, at their launch in 1981 the then minister for transport was at the manufacturing plant in county Clare to greet the first one of the assembly line. The launch was a bit of an anticlimax, because amid all the fanfare the bus would not start,and had to be pushed out of the factory with a tractor. If memory serves me right I think they had a two stroke Detroit diesel engine. Anyway there is a useless piece of information for you. All the best from Perth WA.
Bombardier is a company in Canada that is too big to fail (heard that before?) Which is why I said corporate welfare - the government (taxpayers) always bail them out
If Mike says it's a skip and the owner doesn't listen 🙄 He might just as well set fire to his wallet 😅 First rule of a donor car is make sure it has something to donate 🤔
Iltis - I was under the impression that this was an other Volkswagen (VW) vehicle just like the 181 which was a modern version of the Kübelwagen (both had only 2WD)! There should be at least one group of enthusiasts in Germany!?
The French, Belgian and German military used them for quite a few years. Used to run into them all the time when I worked with the Forces. I would take a Land Rover any day over these things, though I do see the appeal.
Some versions with a Turbo diesel.......even a civilian version............It was preceded by the DKW/Audi Munga...have a look very interesting.....Aye when you were lad and I was a young soldier in West Germany in the 70's there were so many Manga's everywhere....The French then were still running Hotchkiss built Jeeps. You talk about parts??? lot's of the parts are straight off the VW books, Golfs, Passats etc etc.......silly things like clutch cable = Golf, washer bottle Passat mk 1 etc etc. (I'm not even an enthusiast for them....I just like 4x4's). I have no doubt that Can Con (UN Forces in Cyprus used them......now they're they fit in well......top off sunshine...ideal.
The only part of Canada I,ve ever been to was Goose Bay Newfoundland and I never left the Airport.....But I,ve always wondered if you have 'scrappies' like UK? (still have some real ones) with parts for older cars.....and did they not sell any VW front wheel drive cars in Canada....I would have thought the 4x4 Passats and Golfs would have gone down a treat there......When I lived in Harrogate, my neighbour had a 4x4 Golf and it was bloody useful in winter.😂@@BritannicaRestorations
I actually liked them. They were so much faster than the M38s. Pity that they rusted at the drop of a hat. Iltis means weasel. They were in service in the West German army. Actually, when new they weren't too bad, but poor build quality hampered their usefulness. Should have just bought German made ones.
That VW engine is known as the big block (Basically all 1.5 1.6 1.8 and early 2ltr. Looks to be Late Mk1 Golf and the steering wheel is late 70s aircooled beetle. Looks like they robbed the obsolete parts bin round the back of the vw factory!
very capable cars ... but to restore them ... in this condition in canada first project from the owner no experience in that never ever you have to learn to let it go and walk away
No replacement parts, welded body-chassis all rotten - not one bit of rustproofing. $60k vehicle of taxpayer's money and not rustproofed? They could have galvanized these at very little extra expense
Walk away! just curious , is it solid axle and diff lock? If you still insist on driving this, make sure to get a check-up on your tetanus vaccination.
Typical Canadian procurement. Taking too long to buy something useless at an exorbitant price to the taxpayer. No doubt Bombardier was gifted billions to produce crap just because it is a Quebec company. Canada what a mess.
You should check out The Brit Austin Champ story,1500 Pounds to the taxpayer in 1951(thats about a hundred grand in todays money,google it ! ) a couple of hundred quid to Joe Public at the end of the sixties early seventies. I bought mine for two hundred and ten quid in May 1972,25000 on the clock and Rolls Desighned Military Engine. You could not look at such technology today for such money. In fact you could not,- forty years ago !
The white one could be used to block the culvert that flooded your workshop!
Many a true word said in jest...
A good one may be a museum piece for interest, maybe - but that's it!
Volkswagen Iltis are hart to rebuild even in Poland :P Its bassicly first Audi Quattro.
Big following in UK and Europe....very popular to some people.
It's for sale! See next video!
Never seen one of those before. My first thought was that someone looked at the Kübelwagen and said, "I can do worse than that".
You should have seen what came before it, The Munga,it was a three cylinder two stroke.
Having said that,it was well built,superior in build to The Iltis and a beast off road.
The main problem was keeping the 'zweitakter,'(engine,it had three contact breakers and was on the front of the crank) in tune. There are company's in Germany who supply parts for both,, Kemper,and one in Flensburg on the Baltic.
The guy I used to get parts from Achim Maas was in Achen and has disappeared.
I had two German pals in Scotland back in the 1980s who had both been Bundeswehr.
One of them Udo,reckoned the engine was a Passat.His mate Jurgen had one.
Always wondered how The Canucks ended up with em. When I was in Germany we used to take shots of their M38s
They liked our Half Ton Rovers. The Krauts had DKW Mungas. Flew across the ranges,you would expect that with a German driving. Full Power, - Nutters !
They look like cool summer vehicles like the Mini Moke! I can certainly see the appeal of a fun little runabout but (unfortunately) also see the amount of work. Probably not too bad for an experienced DIY'er to patch up one out of the two and use for the summer.
Very true!
My buddy has 2 of them just got the 1 road safety inspected last year. At least his came with the steel doors, and the proper framed & fitted insulated canvas roof... About an hour west of Montreal.
My mate Fred Flintstone has just said if you throw in a couple of stone rollers, he'll take the white one off your hands.
Lol!
Funniest part about the Iltis is that with a few modifications, a Land Rover 88" roof fits them beautifully.
Good to know!
They were nice when we first got them and that point all the canvas fit much better than our old M38's Jeep. They were nippy little trucks, but the Germans were getting rid of theirs and replaced them with G-wagons. Which is what we should have done. There are collectors who would take the better one.
Maybe Freddie Flintstone would take the first one off his hands 😂
I joined the reserves in 82 and with some time out and back in served for 30 years.
Most of us hated these vehicles for many reasons like driving them 90k on the highway ,canvas tops and doors with windows that would start out transparent and turn opaque over time, inadequate heaters and of course a single barreled carb. which gave you an awesome 0 to 60 time of I think several minutes if you could get it to 60 because you weren't able or allowed to drive that fast. I recollect 97km an hr downhill in one but I'm probably being optimistic.
. My favorite experience was returning from a 2 week exercise and being voluntold I had to drive one 400km home to my unit. The electrical system failed and filled the floor of the back seat with battery acid when the batteries boiled over. I enjoyed the tow truck drive.
Built originally by VW and eventually under licence by Bombardier.
The mechanics didn't think much of them but they were reasonably reliable. (I hope a Greasy Paw or two can chime in with their opinion.)
One good thing is they had a stonking good ist gear. Got you out when you engaged it and pulled on the locker.
They rusted out terribly and were not ballistically safe. There was no armour protection and this was evident with casualties early in the Afghan campaign.
I never understood why the Cdn Military adopted a gasoline powered vehicle when the doctrine for one fuel type on the battlefield made more sense.
Never accuse a procurement person working for DND of making a sensible decision. Even when they tried they were hamstrung by their bosses who often overruled them. Politics ?
There seems to be a lot of it around these vehicles and the other contract Bombardier had for the MLVW ("Medium Logistics Vehicle, Wheeled en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Support_Vehicle_System).
I don't remember them fondly and if they all turned to dust today I would not miss them. I drove them long distances and you have to be young and fit to endure these things for any length of time.
Get rid of these ASAP and do not volunteer to repair one for your own sanity.
Thanks for the info!
I was in 1 Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group (Army of the West) in the early 80s and had an M38 as my personal vehicle. I remember turning in the M38 for a brand new Iltis. I think that was almost the first new vehicle I ever saw. The only other new vehicles I can recall were when we handed in the 3/4 ton M37s for the Dodge Power Wagons in the 1970s. They were a lot more comfortable, having automotive style seats and decent heaters, but off road could not compare to the M37s. I liked the Iltis because it was a lot faster on long road moves (my experience obviously differs from daveh329) than the M38s, and it had a heater, which no M38 I ever drove did. Off-road performance was not bad either. If I could get a good one today, I would happily give it a home, though I would actually prefer an M38.
The Krauts always had heaters !
I remember our guys wearing German Army sleeping bags with arms in them in our Bedfords and Rovers no heaters of course or not worth a flying f - - - if it had one,which was unusual,someone in procurement made a mistake !@@davidbuck5864
New scrap heap challenge 😂
I remember the bombardier dash 7 and dash 8’s. Not fondly mind you but I remember them.
I think Bombardier built the fire fighting planes.
Looks a bit like a Styr-Puch Haflinger from Austria. They originally had a little air cooled VTwin engine in the rear. There are a few in Australia, along with the big brother, the Pinzgauer!
Thanks for the info!
it comes from the ww2 kuebelwagen and dkw mungo ...
Remember that they’re over 35 years old and were used by the army. They are very hard to get stuck though.
They look like something I drew in infant school good luck fixing them up Mike sounds like you’re going to save yourself the time and hassle I’ll bring you my landy to sort out instead 😅
Take any serviceable parts off of the white one and crush what is left.
Keep those parts in the back of the green one and then crush the green one.
Lol! You know that is going to happen...
No idea why the Canadian army ditched these and replaced them with the super robust G Wagen.
Wait, so does this mean the running-gear could be bolted into a Mk2 Golf to create a miniature 4x4?
Maybe...
They look like they couldn’t pull the skin off a rice pudding 😅
lol!
Did I get the impression you’re not over keen on the Iltis Mike?
Not my favourite...
Bombardiar built buses in Ireland back in the eighty's, they were a mechanical disaster.
They should have stuck to Skidoos!
@@BritannicaRestorations funny you should that, at their launch in 1981 the then minister for transport
was at the manufacturing plant in county Clare to greet the first one of the assembly line. The launch was a bit of an anticlimax, because amid all the fanfare the bus would not start,and had to be pushed out of the factory with a tractor.
If memory serves me right I think they had a two stroke Detroit diesel engine. Anyway there is a useless piece of information for you.
All the best from Perth WA.
Bombardier is a company in Canada that is too big to fail (heard that before?)
Which is why I said corporate welfare - the government (taxpayers) always bail them out
@@BritannicaRestorations Yes the folks at the top end of town are masters at taking from the masses.
If Mike says it's a skip and the owner doesn't listen 🙄
He might just as well set fire to his wallet 😅
First rule of a donor car is make sure it has something to donate 🤔
True!
Iltis - I was under the impression that this was an other Volkswagen (VW) vehicle just like the 181 which was a modern version of the Kübelwagen (both had only 2WD)!
There should be at least one group of enthusiasts in Germany!?
The French, Belgian and German military used them for quite a few years. Used to run into them all the time when I worked with the Forces. I would take a Land Rover any day over these things, though I do see the appeal.
Seems to me as an' OK it will do but...' vehicle
Land Rovers had little protection, but canvas....
Are we in the Boy Scouts?...
dont underestimate them. 4 stock iltis came under the first 10 in the 1980 dakar rallye
From a parachute?
in Germany the could be ordered with Eberspacher gas heaters.
I remember reading at the time that the Iltis beat the G-Wagen for the German army contract
Not surprisinng,ever run a Merc ? Parts make VW's look cheap.
Looks about as good as the Austin Gypsy was to supposedly compete against the Series Land Rover, they fell apart with rot like those things
Yeap!
Some versions with a Turbo diesel.......even a civilian version............It was preceded by the DKW/Audi Munga...have a look very interesting.....Aye when you were lad and I was a young soldier in West Germany in the 70's there were so many Manga's everywhere....The French then were still running Hotchkiss built Jeeps. You talk about parts??? lot's of the parts are straight off the VW books, Golfs, Passats etc etc.......silly things like clutch cable = Golf, washer bottle Passat mk 1 etc etc. (I'm not even an enthusiast for them....I just like 4x4's). I have no doubt that Can Con (UN Forces in Cyprus used them......now they're they fit in well......top off sunshine...ideal.
Sad thing is, those parts are available in Europe - but not here!
The only part of Canada I,ve ever been to was Goose Bay Newfoundland and I never left the Airport.....But I,ve always wondered if you have 'scrappies' like UK? (still have some real ones) with parts for older cars.....and did they not sell any VW front wheel drive cars in Canada....I would have thought the 4x4 Passats and Golfs would have gone down a treat there......When I lived in Harrogate, my neighbour had a 4x4 Golf and it was bloody useful in winter.😂@@BritannicaRestorations
Hopefully the 4wd running gear and engine are salvageable from the other one
Rear diff and shafts missing on the white one! Not a good start!
@@BritannicaRestorations wow try finding those!
Chickens teeth!
I actually liked them. They were so much faster than the M38s. Pity that they rusted at the drop of a hat. Iltis means weasel. They were in service in the West German army. Actually, when new they weren't too bad, but poor build quality hampered their usefulness. Should have just bought German made ones.
Polecat !
Corporate welfare programme made me laugh this morning very true. Lot of work there!
Look about as sensible as my decrepit double Austin Champs debacle, minus the Rolls Royce motors and impressive wading depth.
It is eye watering what they cost the taxpayer, when there were other alternatives, but hey ho - it's Canada!
Looks a lot like a Steyr Puch Haflinger, only worse.
Bombardier build trams and trains here in Melbourne.
They build a lot of stuff with subsidies...
One word: FOLLY! 😱🙈🙏😂
Couldn't find rounds that small for target practice....
Lol!
That VW engine is known as the big block (Basically all 1.5 1.6 1.8 and early 2ltr.
Looks to be Late Mk1 Golf and the steering wheel is late 70s aircooled beetle.
Looks like they robbed the obsolete parts bin round the back of the vw factory!
Looks like it!
1 step down from a golf caddy 1 step up from an invalid carrige.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invacar
Never heard of these vehicles. I looked at the title of the video and thought you'd caught some rare bowel disease....
That would have been a blessing....
LoL!
They're easy to steal, they have no ignition key!
They do have a key apparently - hidden under the dash = but I think they are all the same key…
We used the top of a Bic pen when we didn't have a key.
To będzie robota
Koszmar!
@@BritannicaRestorations dla wspaniałego człowieka i fachowca to bułka z masłem
Uruchomiłem to!
@@BritannicaRestorations gratulacje
Like putting lipstick on a pig 🤣
Now, Now! It is Canadian Marks for effort?
Pity county don't make parts.
These are forsale ALL the time. He would be better off buying one that is licensed for the road and use these two for parts?
As I said - both are licenced! All you have to do is pay the fee to put them on the road! Crazy!
very capable cars ... but
to restore them ...
in this condition
in canada
first project from the owner
no experience in that
never ever
you have to learn to let it go and walk away
No replacement parts, welded body-chassis all rotten - not one bit of rustproofing. $60k vehicle of taxpayer's money and not rustproofed? They could have galvanized these at very little extra expense
The Iltis is a peace of shi...😂, I remeber in Germany when they used a 2 Stroke engine. Nobody wants it. Ado...f lost the war with this scrap
Blödsinn, das war der Munga. Der Iltis ist ein super Auto
They are all Volkswagen and Audi parts.
Tell him the best thing to learn mechanics on is little motorbikes and lawnmowers. Dead simple. Not some Cold War relic from the 80s! 🤦♂️😂
Lol!
Walk away! just curious , is it solid axle and diff lock? If you still insist on driving this, make sure to get a check-up on your tetanus vaccination.
Typical Canadian procurement. Taking too long to buy something useless at an exorbitant price to the taxpayer. No doubt Bombardier was gifted billions to produce crap just because it is a Quebec company. Canada what a mess.
Yeap!
You should check out The Brit Austin Champ story,1500 Pounds to the taxpayer in 1951(thats about a hundred grand in todays money,google it ! ) a couple of hundred quid to Joe Public at the end of the sixties early seventies.
I bought mine for two hundred and ten quid in May 1972,25000 on the clock and Rolls Desighned Military Engine.
You could not look at such technology today for such money.
In fact you could not,- forty years ago !
VW thing
Not sure I can bear to watch…..
Lol!
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