In terms of VCO heft, the Matriarch just kicked the Muse’s teeth in, lol … but then it seems to me that Poly-synths are always voiced weaker, to accommodate all the voices in the mix(er) … Very different instruments. 😎 I keep vacillating over whether or not I ‘need’ the Muse … The Matriarch is the more unique/special of the two, I think. Thanks for your helpful comparison! 🙂👍🏼
yeh, if you had a poly with the hefty oscillators from monos you'd end up with a fat overdriven mess. I cant work with monosynths (Ive tried) as Im a player (yes I know its technically paraphonic - but so was the Pro 3 I used for 18 months - I just didnt gel with the limitations). Heck even bass lines I reach for double stops at times. I have Muse and its great IMO. I also have an OBx8, Prophet 6, 3rd wave and Iridium keyboard.... I have all the bases I need covered lol.
@@paulmapp8306 Interesting, how do you find the overlap or new sonic areas that the 3rd wave covers in comparison to the Moog Muse? I can only find videos of the 3rd wave doing warm silky things. I'm sure it can do gritty stuff too but can't find anything and wonder if it can do that well like what's demoed here with the Matriarch. If so I would leap at getting that over anything else as then it probably covers everything well
Nice video, thanks! You can get a lot closer to the Matriarch is you actually use 3 oscillators and drive them a bit with the overload slider. I just tried and it's giving my Grandmother a run for it's money :) On the other hand it c an do wonderful subtle stuff as well, such as FM piano's and choirs and strings and whatnot. Awesome addition to anyones synth setup :)
The solution to the fatter sound of the Matriarch not ruining the mix is to do octaves, arpeggios, or broken chords. I much prefer fewer notes that sound heftier than a full chord that sounds a bit thin. Also great for basses.
I actually ended up with both a Voyager and a Voyager XL (long story), so I feel that the Muse will be the perfect match with them, having 6 oscillators of mono moog power with the versitilty of the Muse's polyphony. Always wanted a Moog One but by the time I ever save up for a synth I want they come out with a new one
Two different but beautiful in their own right. Ones a mono/paraphonic synth the other polyphonic. They serve different purposes. I’m waiting for the matriarch to come in
Have both, good true comparison. The compliment each other well too I found. Gritty bass line from matriarch, wide pads from muse- so many good combos. Not replacing my matriarch.❤ but muse is impressive too
If you make electronic music in whatever genre, techno, Uk garage, trance whatever you just need a mono. You don't need a poly. You can do chords in Ableton and various other options ITB. The backbone of any track though is always mono and for that, it'd be hard to do better than the Matriarch. I like the Sub37 for the keyboard reset trigger on the oscillators. That's something you would use in say modern trance (Basically triggers oscillator waveform from the beginning every time you hit the key rather than playback wherever in the cycle the oscillator is; tldr is more punch). Other than that though, Matriarch is great. Muse sounds nice too but I would put it in the "nice to have and it's good to have toys" category.
i have the gm and the one and love the m-one but for the money i think the gm is the best synth moog recently made . great sound , easy tweaking , good possibilities , lovely ( it’s monofone though) .
Same. I have a Moog One and a Matriarch above it. I use the Matriarch more. I'm getting a Muse next month. But i'm never going to sell the One or the Matriarch. There's some sounds on the One that I cannot get with any other synth. And some of them are ones I either bought or downloaded. I honestly don't even turn many knobs on the One yet. It's so complex with what it can do, but simplistic in the way to achieve things. I just need to dive into it more. I urn knobs all the time on the Matriarch though. It's so much more simple of course to program a mono/paraphonic synth. I pla to get a Sub 37 soon as well.
@@TheRealKeetHarris Yeah, well get a Behringer Neutron (Proton coming) and (2) Pro800 one on L&R and Meris LVX with Mercury and a controller and have just as much fun for $13,000+ less. Pretty silly to have all that and it's overkill unless you're in a band that must have it. Law of diminishing returns matters. I spend a lot but more diverse with BC Deckard's Dream, PolyBrute12, Osmose, Muse, M8x, PA5x and the (2)Pro800s w/Neutron and Meris units as mentioned. Diversity is better but really don't need to spend much at all to get wonderful sounds. I prefer chords so obviously poly is the way to go. True that a ton of raw grit would sound like crap in a chord. Totally different purposes.
Psychoaccoustics... lowre pitched sounds have less percepible overtones, so removing overtones can make your brain feel like the sound is getting lower...
I have played a Model D and to my ears they sound and feel very different. The Model D feels much creamier for lack of a better word and has a more pleasing general tone. Not to tsay the Matriarch is not pleasing, but it sounds much more raw
you say muse is more high level material, i don't agree: lthe keys of muse are very noisy, the buttons look cheap... for the sound the matriarch have personnality, the muse do what other synths do (better..)
to be fair - the buttons are very solid. I like the keybed too and dont find it any noisier than any other bed Ive used. It also holds its own against my other synths - and its better for some things (I have a prophet 6, and OBx8 for analogue as well as a 3rd wave). The sliders could do with thicker shafts - but honestly thats the only build downside.
Love the the grove with both. The Muse is smoother , the Matriarch more overdriven. There are people that argue that the Muse is not clean enough or too overdriven. In this example I hear the opposite. It seems to be to what are you comparing it with. Would like to hear more electronic music using the Muse. I have one, and TEO-5 but both still in the box. Haven’t hot a chance to get around it. Hopefully today. Thanks for the video.
@@alainthiry3965 close your eyes and theres no difference. In fact its not even a MPE keyboard. So dont give me that player crap. You need a proper keybed for that.
1.the bd all the time is irritating. if it was to check the sync,10 sec would have been enough. 2. the muse sound more like a slightly different intonated moog one (sub37) with different filterresponds etc than like a matriarch/grandmother clone . so i’m still not convinced that the inside boards are derived from the grandmother and not a slimdown version of the moog one … once we’ll see the interior we’ll know for sure 🌞 thanks 👍🌞
Lol… one is a polyphonic synth like a prophet or oberheim one is a semi Modular madness machine that probably has deeper bass and lead sounds than the muse could ever produce…. I don’t even know how you can compare them. Plus that delay on the mate is the best delay money can buy, opposed to moogs Mooger fooger delay
It s a different type of.sound I agree... Not the raw ballsy in your face vibe many of us associate with Moog, but it s amazing in it s own right. Check out Limbic Bits sound pack for the MUSE... It sounds glorious
Hey sorry about this, I discovered an undocumented bug in OBS where the remuxing does this. I struggled with this for months but it s finally gone... I record straight to MP4 now
I will not touch anything after the Inmusic acquisition, where they fired everybody. The Matriarch is the last great Moog synth. Now the majority will be made overseas and of lower quality. R.I.P. Moog
Persons at MOOG losing their Jobs is very sad but at the same time I music owned MOOG being able to bring the MUSE to market at the price they did was hugely surprising for me. And sets them up to be much more competitive in the current market. Currently the most sold synth on Thomann....
Moog Muse is so disappointing, .. and gladly.. people can here it and find it out here already clearly. The muse is not really sounding like the old Moogs.. like we know them so well. And then the instability is a catastrophe.. Anything - else is advertisement.. But nothing wise to follow. 🙈
Indeed they are not. I use an extremely.high end mixer, APB H1020 and both synths ran through it. Excuse me.for not recalling my studio for this video 😂
In terms of VCO heft, the Matriarch just kicked the Muse’s teeth in, lol … but then it seems to me that Poly-synths are always voiced weaker, to accommodate all the voices in the mix(er) … Very different instruments. 😎 I keep vacillating over whether or not I ‘need’ the Muse … The Matriarch is the more unique/special of the two, I think. Thanks for your helpful comparison! 🙂👍🏼
yeh, if you had a poly with the hefty oscillators from monos you'd end up with a fat overdriven mess. I cant work with monosynths (Ive tried) as Im a player (yes I know its technically paraphonic - but so was the Pro 3 I used for 18 months - I just didnt gel with the limitations). Heck even bass lines I reach for double stops at times. I have Muse and its great IMO. I also have an OBx8, Prophet 6, 3rd wave and Iridium keyboard.... I have all the bases I need covered lol.
@@paulmapp8306. Yes - different tools, best for different jobs. All quite lovely, though. 😎👍🏼
@@paulmapp8306 Interesting, how do you find the overlap or new sonic areas that the 3rd wave covers in comparison to the Moog Muse? I can only find videos of the 3rd wave doing warm silky things. I'm sure it can do gritty stuff too but can't find anything and wonder if it can do that well like what's demoed here with the Matriarch. If so I would leap at getting that over anything else as then it probably covers everything well
😂
People try and compare mono to poly often, good point on poly being weaker on purpose. I think a ONE / Matriarch combo is the ticket personally.
Wow, the Matriarch is just so much more interesting (to my ear/taste). Thank you for this
Nice video, thanks! You can get a lot closer to the Matriarch is you actually use 3 oscillators and drive them a bit with the overload slider. I just tried and it's giving my Grandmother a run for it's money :) On the other hand it c an do wonderful subtle stuff as well, such as FM piano's and choirs and strings and whatnot. Awesome addition to anyones synth setup :)
Thanks for the tips, that makes a lot of sense!
Thanks for comparison! Very useful !
My pleasure!
The solution to the fatter sound of the Matriarch not ruining the mix is to do octaves, arpeggios, or broken chords. I much prefer fewer notes that sound heftier than a full chord that sounds a bit thin. Also great for basses.
Man I just ordered the Muse! Super excited but that Matriarch is sounding crazzzzyyyyy
They are both great but IMO the Muse is more versatile... The Matriarch is amazing for raw tone
Perfect combo
Great comparison! very helpful
Two great synths. Thanks for the demo.
okay but the kick drum sample is the star of the video :)
You can get in as part of our Infinity Bundle ;)
@@RapidFlow_Shop thanks! i'll have to snag it!
@@benoftroy Nice one, thank you for supporting what we do!
I actually ended up with both a Voyager and a Voyager XL (long story), so I feel that the Muse will be the perfect match with them, having 6 oscillators of mono moog power with the versitilty of the Muse's polyphony. Always wanted a Moog One but by the time I ever save up for a synth I want they come out with a new one
Two different but beautiful in their own right. Ones a mono/paraphonic synth the other polyphonic. They serve different purposes. I’m waiting for the matriarch to come in
Very nice video. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Have both, good true comparison. The compliment each other well too I found. Gritty bass line from matriarch, wide pads from muse- so many good combos. Not replacing my matriarch.❤ but muse is impressive too
Thanks for sharing!
If you make electronic music in whatever genre, techno, Uk garage, trance whatever you just need a mono. You don't need a poly. You can do chords in Ableton and various other options ITB. The backbone of any track though is always mono and for that, it'd be hard to do better than the Matriarch. I like the Sub37 for the keyboard reset trigger on the oscillators. That's something you would use in say modern trance (Basically triggers oscillator waveform from the beginning every time you hit the key rather than playback wherever in the cycle the oscillator is; tldr is more punch). Other than that though, Matriarch is great. Muse sounds nice too but I would put it in the "nice to have and it's good to have toys" category.
Wow! Sick beat and great demo!
Thank you, happy if it was useful to you
Have a Model D. Curious between adding one of the two. I would like to ad a sequencer and arpeggiator
Thanks for a vivid, not cinematic and ads oriented video! It just proved me I made the right choice in favor of Matriarch.
7:54 my boss caught me watching this and he said it sounded like I was shaving 😂
Hahaha haha at what timestamp 👌🏾😁
@@RapidFlow_Shopright around here.
@@ERYKJACKNIFE He must have a pretty nice sounding shaver 😅
so you are keeping both ? :)
Yupp.... The do such different things...
I have a Moog one and a matriarch on top! Let me just say the matriarch inspires me more and sounds better to my ears! I still want a muse though 😅
Was having a similar experience playing the Matriarch last night. That synth sounds magic.
i have the gm and the one and love the m-one but for the money i think the gm is the best synth moog recently made . great sound , easy tweaking , good possibilities , lovely ( it’s monofone though) .
Same. I have a Moog One and a Matriarch above it. I use the Matriarch more. I'm getting a Muse next month. But i'm never going to sell the One or the Matriarch. There's some sounds on the One that I cannot get with any other synth. And some of them are ones I either bought or downloaded. I honestly don't even turn many knobs on the One yet. It's so complex with what it can do, but simplistic in the way to achieve things. I just need to dive into it more. I urn knobs all the time on the Matriarch though. It's so much more simple of course to program a mono/paraphonic synth. I pla to get a Sub 37 soon as well.
must be nice.
@@TheRealKeetHarris Yeah, well get a Behringer Neutron (Proton coming) and (2) Pro800 one on L&R and Meris LVX with Mercury and a controller and have just as much fun for $13,000+ less. Pretty silly to have all that and it's overkill unless you're in a band that must have it. Law of diminishing returns matters. I spend a lot but more diverse with BC Deckard's Dream, PolyBrute12, Osmose, Muse, M8x, PA5x and the (2)Pro800s w/Neutron and Meris units as mentioned. Diversity is better but really don't need to spend much at all to get wonderful sounds. I prefer chords so obviously poly is the way to go. True that a ton of raw grit would sound like crap in a chord. Totally different purposes.
thanks for the video!
Nice comparison. Shame the Matriarch isn't prgrammable. I do like the aggressive sound more.
Both amazing sounding synths. I sold my Matriarch to get the Muse, but I would have preferred to keep both.
you had to wait
@DorisDay-lw4xs Are you serious?? No-one wants it?? The Matriarch is such an amazing synth.
@DorisDay-lw4xswhere do you live ?
I have the Muse. Also have the matrixbrute
what exact brand and model trackball do you use please?
It s this one and it s awesome!!! www.amazon.com/SANWA-Bluetooth-Ergonomic-Programmable-Compatible/dp/B0C2Z46DY5
thanks for this video. its exactly what i was looking for. also whats that metering suite with pretty colours? cheers
It s the FLUX analyser
I still don’t quite undertand why closing a LPF on a synth seems to lower the pitch of the note 😅
Psychoaccoustics... lowre pitched sounds have less percepible overtones, so removing overtones can make your brain feel like the sound is getting lower...
@@RapidFlow_Shop thanks for clarifying! 👍
thanx!
So why are the Matriarch and new Model D so much different in price like over $3,000 if they essentially are similar?
I have played a Model D and to my ears they sound and feel very different. The Model D feels much creamier for lack of a better word and has a more pleasing general tone. Not to tsay the Matriarch is not pleasing, but it sounds much more raw
you say muse is more high level material, i don't agree: lthe keys of muse are very noisy, the buttons look cheap... for the sound the matriarch have personnality, the muse do what other synths do (better..)
Indeed it s keys are a weakness. Overall though I prefer the design and build quality.
to be fair - the buttons are very solid. I like the keybed too and dont find it any noisier than any other bed Ive used. It also holds its own against my other synths - and its better for some things (I have a prophet 6, and OBx8 for analogue as well as a 3rd wave). The sliders could do with thicker shafts - but honestly thats the only build downside.
so need both?
Depends... What sounds you want to primarily make. If I had to pick I would get the Muse... First 😂
Love the the grove with both. The Muse is smoother , the Matriarch more overdriven. There are people that argue that the Muse is not clean enough or too overdriven. In this example I hear the opposite. It seems to be to what are you comparing it with.
Would like to hear more electronic music using the Muse.
I have one, and TEO-5 but both still in the box. Haven’t hot a chance to get around it. Hopefully today.
Thanks for the video.
Matriarch sounds like a real analog synth. Muse sounds like a real analog synth + modern vibes. Muse for me ⭐️
Interesting... I m in the Matriarch camp right now...
@@RapidFlow_Shop ok, why not? Both are great
One sounds like any Polyphonic VST like Diva, the other pure Analogue hardware. Its so apparent which one is a keeper.
I have to admit hearing them back to back the Matriarch is really inspiring
Considering I have the muse and a plethora of VST’s… it’s not even close.
Vst?
ridiculous reference, vst can be a reference of sound. the choice is feeling to PLAY an instrument or not.
@@alainthiry3965 close your eyes and theres no difference. In fact its not even a MPE keyboard. So dont give me that player crap. You need a proper keybed for that.
1.the bd all the time is irritating. if it was to check the sync,10 sec would have been enough.
2. the muse sound more like a slightly different intonated moog one (sub37) with different filterresponds etc than like a matriarch/grandmother clone . so i’m still not convinced that the inside boards are derived from the grandmother and not a slimdown version of the moog one …
once we’ll see the interior we’ll know for sure 🌞
thanks 👍🌞
Nice kick synths aside 🧨
It s from our Infinity Bundle ;) rapidflow.shop
Lol… one is a polyphonic synth like a prophet or oberheim one is a semi Modular madness machine that probably has deeper bass and lead sounds than the muse could ever produce…. I don’t even know how you can compare them. Plus that delay on the mate is the best delay money can buy, opposed to moogs Mooger fooger delay
the two are moog, this is what to compare, and one sound magical and not the other
@@alainthiry3965 yes the two are Moog brand, but one is paraphonic and one is polyphonic… and which one do you think sounds magical?…
You know, I've watched a bunch of Muse and...when I close my eyes, it doesn't...have that Moog magic.
It s a different type of.sound I agree... Not the raw ballsy in your face vibe many of us associate with Moog, but it s amazing in it s own right. Check out Limbic Bits sound pack for the MUSE... It sounds glorious
That a prophet-600? Awesome
Indeed it is, unmodded, my absolute favorite for pads. Find the Gli Gli ones I hear in demos miss some of the wobble and vibe I hear in my unit...
Hope you have fun with my ex matriarch!!! Greetings from austria 😀
It s an amazing synth! 🙏🏾😊
Great videyah
One is a Poly the other is Paraphonic
Yup
Lucky you.
I am grateful everyday 🙏🏾
so many clicks and pops in the audio
Hey sorry about this, I discovered an undocumented bug in OBS where the remuxing does this. I struggled with this for months but it s finally gone... I record straight to MP4 now
@@RapidFlow_Shop Ah, that sucks. Good that you figured it out.
Why not both? Yeah both.
Quite, can't be cheap all your life, well said.
Muse sounds very Trigon.
I will not touch anything after the Inmusic acquisition, where they fired everybody.
The Matriarch is the last great Moog synth.
Now the majority will be made overseas and of lower quality.
R.I.P. Moog
Persons at MOOG losing their Jobs is very sad but at the same time I music owned MOOG being able to bring the MUSE to market at the price they did was hugely surprising for me. And sets them up to be much more competitive in the current market. Currently the most sold synth on Thomann....
Muse was designed by the old team.
Moog Muse is so disappointing, .. and gladly.. people can here it and find it out here already clearly. The muse is not really sounding like the old Moogs.. like we know them so well. And then the instability is a catastrophe.. Anything - else is advertisement.. But nothing wise to follow. 🙈
These two synths are not even remotely similar, and why didn’t you record the audio direct?
Indeed they are not. I use an extremely.high end mixer, APB H1020 and both synths ran through it. Excuse me.for not recalling my studio for this video 😂