I actually posted on Flat's video about how he wasn't cheating and I got so much shit for it, it's crazy lmao. It's so sad that skilled "nobodies" are automatically cheating now
I think it would be better if you repeated and evidenced what you commented so people could get a better idea of the context and validity of what happened and why you got so much hate for it
@@redjester8169 Doesn't really matter how much evidence you have these days, it's always guilty until proven innocent on the internet. Also Flat's is literally one of the faces of Overwatch so whatever he says goes
@@footur3179 true, I was only getting at having an accurate look at the comment in question to see if it was misunderstood or not, sometimes people post stuff that have clear intent to them but can be misunderstood by others, hence the flack given.
Sometimes people are unable to use their brain and prefer to act like bullies without doing a little research. The way the bully and talk shit without proof is so frustating, they are big creators and they should be more aware of the damage they can do.
@@redjester8169 they literally make videos reporting him without any proof and making fun of him, even one of them is laughing at him in one of his video thumbnail and title. Just watch the video for yourself (My English is very bad, sorry if I make spelling mistakes.)
@@rujifra Like I've commented before, these kinds of situations are always messy, these streamers could only ever go off their personal experiences and opinions, but due to the nature of cheating in video games recently almost every community has become more vitriolic towards them due to their negative and frustrating impact which does make falsely accused players suffer much more. I was only frustrated that so many people were commenting accusations and assumptions about the situations just like the people in those big OW streamer communities and how some commenters here seem to be jumping at the opportunity to lash out at anyone who didn't say so and so is right or these people are wrong, it was like looking at two sides of the same coin. (Also English was a-ok)
Gonna be honest, all of the personal stuff proves nothing. It just proves you trust your friend. There has been a mass exodus of mostly DPS players in the Top 500 leaderboards over every season because people were cheating, being good doesn't mean you can't cheat, chess grandmasters cheat, professional athletes cheat. Being mentally unwell doesn't prove you weren't cheating, it just proved that the result had an impact on you. The fact is Blizzard has banned him multiple times, not Flats, not Jay3, not KarQ. Meanwhile 100% walling and aimbotting players stay for months. What to take away from that is up to the public, but there has been nothing substantial proving he was cheating except the bans, and nothing substantial proving that he wasn't at the time of his bans.
the bans dont prove anyone was ever cheating. everyone gets banned for cheating. i say the personal stuff because i legit watched him play the way he plays now, in person. that means nothing on screen no walls no cheats just him playing normally. flats did have the impact of him getting banned because it started with his report. devs watch their streams, ive seen it and ive seen them come into chats from larger creators after raids. they exist. he got banned mid match on an alt account on an account he hasn't played on all day, with monitor cam on. that proves it was a manual ban especially since it was against another larger creator being super and there probably were devs watching both streams. especially since he isnt cheating lol. he was banned on every account at the time of that ban meaning it attached it to his hardware and every account he made following, making this the most frustrating string of events we have ever experienced in this game. this is a situation that NEEDS and DESERVES attention because the truth is not what people think. regardless i'll be trying to get in contact with people involved and in the near future LLK and i will attend events that have LAN pc's so we can have some sort of proof. there is no proof to him cheating to begin with and the fact that it's come to this point is sad
"He's better than me so he's cheating" *with absolute 0% proof* evident that LLK keeps getting unbanned. These people need to be perma'd for abusing the system. These are targeted attacks and harassment at this point.
Those streamers were only going off of their impressions and experiences, it was blizzard that went to such extremes and their fault for not having proper cheater identification systems in place. I don't see how the streamers specifically targeted the with harassment when this whole thing happened over a year ago and none of these streamers have mentioned them since. Edit: also when trying to make any sort of claim both sides have to give evidence, evidence for cheating (which they gave in their videos) and evidence for not cheating (you've yet to give any)
@@redjester8169 I honestly believe ya'll are schizophrenic. Where's this 'evidence' that doesn't exist, yet your side keeps saying it does? Link me to it. 1. "when trying to make any sort of claim both sides have to give evidence" No, nothing works this way anywhere in reality. Only the side making the claim has to provide evidence. "You're cheating" is a claim that needs to be proven. Responding with "No i'm not." Isn't a claim. 2. " I don't see how the streamers specifically targeted the with harassment when this whole thing happened over a year ago and none of these streamers have mentioned them since." Top tier Schizo, this video wouldn't exist if they haven't mentioned it since. He literally gave his reason for making this video in the beginning. Just admit you didn't watch it. 3. Also, LLK's evidence is that he isn't cheating is getting unbanned.
@@redjester8169yes streamers are mention him again he literally join a matche and play good people already comment or report him insta because his name is already dirty.And yes he proved he did facecam handcam and showed his entire pc in the internet anyone with a brain would notice that he is not cheating different of the streamers that are accusing him they have any proof and dont even try to show any evidence but LLK showed way more🤣
@@stevismc1813 I'd start by looking at examples of players that have redeemed themselves in a community one way or another, by either proving their innocence or making up for it in the community, there's never a 'one thing fixes all' solution like you're implying. Unfortunately due to the nature of this incident and OW lacklustre design foresight, it is incredibly difficult to definitively change everyone's mind nor would it be both worth it and realistic, instead I think it would be much better to positively impact the community while repeatedly pushing any and all evidence of innocence until people eventually begin to think 'oh, maybe this guy cheated but he's reformed now' or 'maybe I was wrong and he didn't cheat after all' This is by no means a definite fix for the issue, but you do have to start somewhere, and these guys are at a massive disadvantage. I realise you may just say it wouldn't actually do anything or there's nothing like that you can do in the community, but from what I could tell OW is a major thing for these guys and they obviously want to get back into their good graces, so any effort at all is effort well spent, no matter how effective it is, it shows sincerity to the parts of the community that matters.
I’m confused how people are poking fun at his mental health being ruined by this. As someone who went through something similar (twitter hive mind from the OW community), having people afk your games, call you slurs, say nasty shit to you every game, and spam report your accounts til they are banned, it becomes pretty brutal. If Overwatch is a passion for someone, and you ruin that passion based off of mob-mentality harassment, it absolutely can remove joy that is present in ones life. Instead of being so narrow minded, I urge everyone to consider the possibility that maybe this person IS innocent, and is being labeled a cheater based off of the word of some people snowballing bigger and bigger until everyone believes it. At the end of the day, I have encountered so many cheaters in OW, and yet for this specific scenario I have not been provided a single clip of definitive proof from any of the many people who have had the nerve to claim they are 100% sure LLK is cheating
Do you delete every comment that accuses you of hacking? Because I feel like it’s obvious you and your friend are hacking and I haven’t seen any of these people that are accusing you of hacking saying anything. And btw I thought you were hacking before I even knew others were accusing you. I just saw a short where you shot at someone even though there was a wall in the way and immediately knew
you can’t fully hacksuate someone off a singular thing like it being shooting someone through a wall. there are multiple reasons for those instances. also you are gonna be lonely hackusating me here, this is about my friend. all the people hackusating me in my shorts like i just noticed from your activity see something crazy but no context. i practice that shit constantly and people get predictable. nobody i interact with or myself cheat
to improve and hit something with a hero especially in the lower elo also means to hear that you are cheating so many times. this big streamer bubble with so much power spoils the fun and the whole community. i'm sorry for you and LLK, i hope all this will finally stop...
never mentioned in the video? i literally said i made the video because its resurfacing in games and showed proof of getting slurred from people associating me as someone that perma duos a cheater. that was literally a clip from the day prior. the twitter links are also from a day or two prior of oualid perma shit talking and telling other streamers and ppl in lobby to report us. this is as recent as it gets, hence the video at all.
@@brookss_ Sorry I must have missed that while watching, it sucks to see its still becoming a problem even though it rightfully should have blown over by now. I can imagine the kind of flack you'd get in a comp game like overwatch but I honestly think the kind of people who flame you in game for that won't change their minds without it being forced down their throats, those kinds of people are just dead set in seeing things as black and white through their own opinions. the only way I see this being over and done with is by bringing your video to one of the big OW streamers to try to clear your names in person w/ the evidence you guys have for the OW community to see, I just cant see this video reaching the diehard members that are causing the problem this way.
It's unfair how coordinated reporting due to just word of mouth and no proof is enough to not only ban accounts but affect reputations. Well made video, and hopefully it will help clear up the misconceptions!!!
I've been there in streams. He's always been genuine. Not once did I ever think he cheated. You can watch him make insane plays, and then wiff just like a normal person would. I always thought it was crazy that keph could do some crazy flick and its perfectly fine, but if someone else did it they were cheating somehow. I did notice LLK didn't really stream that much this year, but the few times he did there were at least a few people calling him a cheater. I believe that everyone can get good at something if they try hard enough. I like watching small and large streamers alike because it's interesting to see how each person performs on the same hero even in the same rank like others I know. I love all the streamers big and small. I really do love this community and all my friends in it. I wouldn't follow a cheater nor endorse doing so if I knew they were. LLK is a homie. Brooks is a homie. Love you friends
I just searched up flats liveleakklub and found a few videos of both you and LLK using the hackusations to make gaming videos such as 'Playing with the most HACKUSATED widow ever' and stuff of a similar nature, coupled with the fact this whole drama is over a year old makes this feel incredibly off, like if you really cared that much wouldnt you have posted something like this first before all the baiting videos? If i had to guess it sounds like this drama has just resurfaced and is only now causing problems for either of you so you posted a video trying to explain it away but thats mearly the impression i got as a brand new viewer. I also found it strange how you criticized others for saying things without giving proof 5 seconds after claiming there was a livestream of LLK showcasing his natural talent, but didnt give any evidence yourself, no recording, no dates, no vods or anything, something you would imagine they would do if they had considered the hackusations to be a such a major issue at the time. Im all for a good player prooving their innocence, but with the cercumstancial evidence and this video, i just cant comfortably claim that to be the case.
2:40 I believe is an area where brookss explains the proof towards LLK's attempt to show he was not hacking. showing cams with monitor and hands and also shows ms32 which shows certain software programs, hardware programs, etc. there is only so much evidence you can give that someone is not cheating before it gets tossed aside as "cheats can be hidden from monitors" etc. the hive mind agenda has shown to prove that most people will believe big content creators such as the people who made videos on LLK originally rather than looking at all sides of the accusations. I respect your eagerness to see evidence firsthand but when it comes to proving innocence against an already false accusation now backed up by the majority, it becomes pretty futile.
this video ruclips.net/video/cmL_a0w_-YM/видео.html was made during the heat of the causations on Mar 7, 2023, a day actually before Flats had posted a video himself. Defending his friend from the interaction on Flats stream that accused him of hacking and caused him to become mass reported which ultimately had him banned. because report systems function a lot of the times on the flood of reports instead of looking into it independently, especially when it comes from a very big influencer like Flats. this video is made now so the resurfaces of false allegations which caused not only LLK but brookss himself to become reported can be put to an end.
@@redjester8169 i just want people to have their proper research done before hopping on one side or the other. or at least the research we can as viewers/ the community have access to.
Honestly I completely agree with how difficult it is to prove innocence online and how hate and mob mentality can snowball into something ugly, but that still doesn't help me explain some of the things both of them did, such as the serious posts into complete 180 degree change in later videos. I think it's equally important to not mindlessly say things for either side until that exact point has been sufficiently evidenced, both in defence and in accusations, which I still just haven't seen enough of. If I'm being honest the year long gap has made this whole ordeal borderline impossible to solve, they should have just not waited a year to post this.
i have to say you're a good friend. i have no horse in this race, i do wanna believe he isnt cheating and im definitely not in a position to decide. just wanted to say he's lucky to have you as a true friend who sticks by his side.
thank you :) it’s been a very rough road seeing this from a perspective of someone who genuinely knows he would never cheat but get treated like he’s a complete disgrace (as cheaters should get treated obviously)
also you cant really prove it either way because of blizzards system but at the same time if he was cheating and you were to you wouldn't be able to show it and if he got caught and stopped i would understand
@@stephenjd7716 honestly this comment serves zero purpose. this entire video is disproving the cheater allegations that came for over a YEAR. having to fight for his own right to enjoy a video game at a higher level because he's better than most people and not as known doesn't mean he's a cheater. this is hard evidence.
@@ItzAeternusI've watched half the video so far and I am yet to see hard evidence LLK was specifically not cheating on that day, wdym they disproved his allegations? Also the above comment does have merit as it explains how circumstantial and difficult it would actually be to both prove and disprove his cheating allegations, you shouldn't dismiss someone's view point like that
@@redjester8169he literally went on stream to show his desktop and the task manager files he had, and guess what? There was no cheats…. And while you sit here and say there isn’t any proof he wasn’t cheating, there is 0 proof that he was
@@aidandoran8551 Just trying to be as fair as possible here, search up Blindfolded altreaon clear in Monster Hunter (specifically the drama around the faked run) and you'll see why I just can't put full faith in that. Sorry but its just too unclear to me.
putting 100% of your mental efforts while growing up being in school to likely make a career out of it because of the skill and energy put forward, just for it to be ripped beneath you mercilessly is a completely valid reason for needing therapy. especially in the instance where its STILL not resolved and affecting him and his connections to this day.
Judging from this video, LLK was aiming for a professional career in gaming either online or in tournaments. Coincidentally, my brother's known quite a few people in the professional gaming industry and even I can tell how much their ability to play, reputation and credibility means to them. It sounds like your not into that scene so its best not to assume a multimillion dollar business doesn't actually mean anything just because it doesn't to you.
@@415gman Yeah from an outsider's perspective looking in, as games back in the 90's and such used to be seen as hobbies and pass times, things are constantly changing in big ways on the internet and gaming has grown much more seriously lately, its definitely understandable that it seems a bit unrealistic but its a good thing you get how impactful for younger generations.
I rewatched the Flats video when he was spectating LiveLeak, and saw Live hit Orisa in the chest like 5 times and after that Flats said “I haven’t seen this guy not hit a headshot yet”….Flats my man you need to clean your glasses home dog.
that, and being so tank brained that you can't imagine a widowmaker in top 500 going for headshots just to go for the headshot is insane to me. people really can't think for themselves piggy back riding that kind of opinion.
@@brookss_ I also like how Flats is surprised that whenever Widow scopes in he always scoops in around sight lines….like “no shit Flats this is a Top 500 Widow who knows the map, how long has this map been out Flats???”
Bro doesn't sound very surprised he was banned, and just because you grew up with him doesn't mean he would tell you he uses cheats. He was banned for a reason and you don't know what the developers can see behind the scenes, cheats are cheap and very prevalent, especially in higher ranks and especially with streamers, he ruined the game for other players and got caught, multiple times, he deserves whatever repercussions he gets. You said you were both banned multiple times before for cheating, then say blizzard never unbans, but also said that you knew the loophole for getting unbanned, but its closed now so your making this video instead lol. I'm sure you knew he was cheating, you can cry 'false ban' all you want but MULTIPLE false bans is sus. Somebody call the whambulance, stop crying and just uninstall the hacks instead of continuously making new hack accounts lol.
average echo chamber. he clearly explains they get banned multiple times on end because of the abundance of people who are like you who are reporting and preaching hacks when you see someone better than you. he streams, posts clips, and has a handcam. trying to locate cheats with a handcam is quite literally impossible. if he was walling, you'd see it. if he was aimbotting, you'd see it. he had both monitors on screen and has MANY sources of legitimacy and you're just blind to it.
@@ItzAeternus yeah ok bruh like the 1k subscribers he’s crying too isn’t an echo chamber, look at all the comments glazing him lol. You don’t think he could make a new username if he wanted to so he wouldn’t get banned again? But if he made a new name and still got banned it would be even more sus.
you act like blizzard has some godly ban mechanic, llk just got mass reported and now his rep is f'd up which causes other people to falsely report him like brookss explains
funny how this resembles the GEGURI situation during early overwatch esports, people literally quit over that (people who accused her of cheating said that if they were proven wrong, they would quit and many did). After hearing the way so many creators acted, it would be nice to see them do something similar, giving the add revenue to LLK would be a good start - that is, if they are proven wrong in the end.
I don't think it's as difficult as you make it out to be, but if I were put in LLK's shoes this very moment there ain't shit I could do to explain how they handled the accusations
@@redjester8169 i have yet to see solid proof of him cheating. I've known these guys before this happened and LLK's skillz have not changed only improved. LLK also has gotten unbanned for false allegations after being reviewed. He has shown his footage on all his monitors while he plays/streams. We must have watched 2 different videos. It speaks for itself.
Idk if hes cheating or not or if u will even see this but id just like to say that way back when dafran was just a kid AND cracked asf he got called a cheater all the time now hes beloved i hope if ur friend is innocent he will have the same glow up.
during the period he would have his glow up he was losing all his accounts bc the flag on his PC hwid ban so every account was getting banned very quickly either into QP or ranked as soon as GM was hit. he couldnt leverage anything or play at all so he couldnt stream and mental health dipped hard so now that it's been so long, its marinated big time and he's just another known cheater even though he doesn't cheat. just sad stuff that would be fixed w blizz having a real anti cheat system instead of literally random players choosing who they decide is cheating or not.
I feel bad for you two and thats kinda the sad thing if your gonna be a widow or hanzo player cause more then likely if you end up getting really good at those heroes more then likely people are gonnna suspect you cheating especially if your widow now i will say people specifically viewers we gotta use our brains more cause again streamers can make mistakes like some people could just have really good headset instincts etc so i hope you two aee doing fine now
@brookss_ dang I'm sorry bout that and I actually relooked at the video of and if you look back at it a second time it's just good player energy like the only thing that would suspect is the ashe shot down the little hallway on kings row but that was just insane player reflex mentality so I'm sorry for both of you
I agree about being nicer considering the matter @brookss_ , @jakkothy your comment is too accusatory and doesn't help, I'll check back for your 2nd post with clear evidence later
I'm sorry but the intro of saying imagining my hobby that is overtaking my life because I spend every waking moment practicing my aim just to have it taken away, yeah bros depressed about life because he can't play widowmaker anymore. I understand being passionate about a video game and a hobby, I get it I am too and I would be upset also but saying that someones mental health plummeted because they can't dink heads on widow anymore regardless of if they're cheating or not is not going to garner you any sympathy, it actually makes me feel like maybe your friend there might have needed a bit of a break to ground his mental health in something other than overwatch.
brookss was referring to his friend gaining constant hate from new viewers in his stream caused by the hack accusations. on top of the already banned accounts from being mass reported, keep in mind this guy was a smaller content creator. it would suck to see your channel grow but only because of hate viewers. it was a culmination of these reasons that most likely caused his mental to take a negative toll. which ultimately caused him to take a year break.
@@cinellie3315There is a wide range of things LLK could have done to quell his infamy but he decided to make videos parading his status of accused hacker around both of their channels, they never wanted to fix it in the beginning
@@redjester8169 it is never easy to go against a big influence in a community, such as big streamers, in the defending their name. the options are limited, the only thing someone can do is prove theyre not hacking, and how long until those attempts become futile because people will refuse to believe what theyre saying. that is hive mind agenda. btw brookss released a video a year earlier defending his friend as well.
@@cinellie3315 Of course mob mentality is a massive issue in these cases and I'm not downplaying it, but posting videos rage baiting on such a volatile issue is in no way attempting to defend themselves even if they posted a much more seriously toned video before hand, considering the likely hood of which video would be preform better in the YT algorithm. It could have been highly likely Flats and/or Jay3 may have seen those videos and decided to double down on their claims, which would have made this situation unrecoverable, I'm just glad they didn't see it so LLK and brooks can both have a fair shot without that mistake getting in their way.
@@redjester8169 I think your right. Although I don’t think rage-baiting is 100% the best way to approach this, it definitely gathered attention. Although that being said, I think with too much hate behind it. I hoped for attention to gather more support targeted towards LLK than hate targeted towards Flats. However it is getting both of those responses. Flats has heard (not confirmed to seen) about this video by the way, I have his response, he doesn’t care, not one bit. It’s not his job too either, I don’t think this controversy is even popular enough to have more content on it by those people. I just again hope, this brings support to LLK as the ultimate goal.
in the clip i posted in this video or somewhere else? its been going on for so long and nobody listening just makes us meme it because we have no power so if he says "im hacking im hacking" like he is in the clip getting banned, that was obviously a joke considering he has a whole ass monitor cam and shows proof of him not cheating after getting banned on everything
If he was cheating, a ban is in order, I haven't seen any proof of him cheating, and evidence is the burden of the claimant. However all the slander and harassment is crazy regardless, the top ELO space is gatekept like crazy.
@@RamitsuAcapucolae I've recently watch a few videos on cheating in video games and honestly its almost impossible to 100% prove someone's innocence with the wacky, undetectable and super complicated processes that literally sidestep every single safety process on the market to the point where its neigh impossible to prove credibility to an actually innocent player without being in the same room at the time or having a lot of good faith in someone which I honestly think the original streamers would have if LLK and brooks honestly pled their case or even showed how far this has gone and how badly its affected them. As streamers/content creators themselves I bet they'd understand even without proof, its not worth ruining someone's hobby/mental wellbeing over an Overwatch game. I have no explanation for the vitriol and downright malicious actions people take towards any cheater/faker/person(s) they dislike as of late, I'm an avid fan of a lot of Vtubers despite being relatively disconnected from the community but some of these streamers have been driven to attempted suicide or financial debt when fans learn of the smallest thing they dislike about their chosen streamer and freak out online, like its gotten super bad over the years and you can more or less only pray that you don't get any accusations thrown against you, cause it will permanently impact your reputation as a public figure, especially if only a select few know the whole story that the original crowd never come to learn.
Its so sad how people can run with one story and not look into anything or in this case someone big says something word of mouth and the whole com hops on the band wagon. I feel bad for lub and i hope he recovers because its clear he has a gift that is just being stopped for no reason.
crazy how this video might reach them in 2 days before saying something and i find it crazy how the devs d suck the F out the streamers then someone trying to make a name its just like that one widow player back in 2017 i forgot his name but someone should filter it but bro you must must must come up with solid proof of cheating some widows are on crack and some are just bad but LUB is just on crack as a good widow so now in 2024 if you are a godly widow you are flagged as a cheater cus you wake up everyday like brookss said to practice aim and mechanics
Youd think after the whole Necros fiasco most streamers would be afraid to embarass themselves again with accusations. Pretty sure in the overwatch scene he was one of the few that managed to convince everyone he was legit after a while. Bet they all felt stupid when they kept seeing him show up in contenders
@@redjester8169 lets be honest, the only person here really getting any revenue is flats, it is so easy for large content creators to get a quick and easy money grab from hackusating videos. I have receipts of 3 videos with their ad status, flats hackusating video on LLK, brookss first addressing video, and brookss most recent addressing video (this one). Both on brookss' videos ads are at a minimum (probably required by youtube) which almost none of the revenue contributes to the creators video, while flats has ads up and running. flats' video hackusating LLK has 1 million + views, and information i gathered from socialblade (uses views to estimate revenue) gives an estimate of $529 - $4.2k revenue earnings, the basic median being $2000. Safe to say, brookss has NO comparison to flats when it comes to "milking hackusations". I cant post imgur links on yt so add my disc @cinellie if you want to see the receipts.
honestly i dont know liveleak nor do i watch him but he dose NOT look like hes hacking and i honestly feel so bad for him because a small streamer cant go up against a big streamer like flats
I mean I don't know anything about this dude, but especially like 2-3 seasons ago in OW I had a couple of friends get suspended for no reason, and I myself was silenced and then suspended for 2 weeks despite literally never even joining comms, and I almost always even have text chat turned off, lol. It is a small part of the reason I dropped the game, (that and after mauga released, the game became so unbelievably boring to me because every match was so obviously the same thing over and over again, and after about 2k hours it just got too tiresome to deal with).
@@nimbus2490Unfortunately blizzards ban system has always been notoriously hit or miss with banning actual hackers and innocent players ever since OW 1, but it's not like they are ever gonna fix something that they don't see as broken
Here's proof. Notice how he didn't see the Tracer's name or the model in the replay towards the end of the clip and yet he still took a shot when the Tracer moved behind the wall. ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxVVQNwFloMMqsTe7tsayC3xYbCglgMXeU?si=V7Y4-AoYfZ4qz9vk
footsteps, knowing the tracer will try blink to cover, good crosshair placement, also probably asking for a sonic in vc. Everything in the clip shows he knows how to play widow lmao
@@wlgs.gehrmana clip of this would be nice, but I guess there is literally no evidence this ever happened, unfortunate as that would give quite a bit of credibility to LLK
@@redjester8169 prefiring exists in literally every fps bro why are you treating it like its some hacker trademark? This guy plays slightly above average 4 his rank and ppl immediately call cheats just bc he isnt super known or whatever. "0 sus shit in the replay but i've never heard of him so he must be cheating" after that its just retards on twitter telling everyone he cheats because their favorite streamer said so
@@qqekispeople get harassed for a lot of things, especially by estranged fans of content creators. Unfortunately the only safe option is to avoid the drama until it passes, something neither of them did by choice
flats being so big and being the poster boy of ow, if by any means hate being sent your way or to your friend and defaming yall name, in the US some states will let ya take it to court for defamation if lively hood is being ruin are false claims again said victim that would cause mental and other complications.
There's absolutely no chance either of these guys will ever take this to court, it's literally too much work and not even remotely worth it for either of them.
@@RamitsuAcapucolae Lol, I went through the early comments of this video and was rather appalled at seeing the exact same mentality that caused and escalated this situation at the first place, from people instantly believing whatever was said in the video, people at no fault of their own not realising how circumstantial or insufficient some of the claims were, to people just openly attacking and wishing for the opposite people's lives to be disrupted/ruined. I realise I sound incredibly cruel in my comments, but I was strictly not picking a side, probing people's opinions and being as sceptical of any claims as possible.
dude if you got diffed by a really good widow. Just admit that you got diffed, ITS THAT EASY. Just admit defeat man, you are not the main character if you get diffed. Respect the diff ESPECIALLY on widow.
i have to say something ummm why dont all of the silly willies that accused/reported llk of cheating just watch one of his streams i just dont get it and again why would blizzard unban him if he was cheating the people that accused him are just not right and jump to conclusions like really. ok im done thanks to anyone who reads this i love brookss and llk and all of his community and hope the best for them. SEARCH BEFORE REPORTING!
Unfortunately mobs like the ones involved in this mess almost never do their own research before believing or claiming anything about the subjects they talk about simply because they don't care enough about the people it actually affects. Not everyone gives people the respect and time they deserve on the internet.
@@redjester8169 you forget that the majority here is the bigger community of Flats and other big content creators who hop on a trend to accuse anyone they accuse. The people here, at least me, actually take the time to go through the clips and videos available to us to make a decision on if the accusations are actually justifiable.
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I actually posted on Flat's video about how he wasn't cheating and I got so much shit for it, it's crazy lmao. It's so sad that skilled "nobodies" are automatically cheating now
I think it would be better if you repeated and evidenced what you commented so people could get a better idea of the context and validity of what happened and why you got so much hate for it
@@redjester8169 Doesn't really matter how much evidence you have these days, it's always guilty until proven innocent on the internet. Also Flat's is literally one of the faces of Overwatch so whatever he says goes
@@footur3179 true, I was only getting at having an accurate look at the comment in question to see if it was misunderstood or not, sometimes people post stuff that have clear intent to them but can be misunderstood by others, hence the flack given.
Sometimes people are unable to use their brain and prefer to act like bullies without doing a little research. The way the bully and talk shit without proof is so frustating, they are big creators and they should be more aware of the damage they can do.
I also don't see your proof they either bullied LLK specifically or that their allegations were made up to attack them
@@redjester8169 they literally make videos reporting him without any proof and making fun of him, even one of them is laughing at him in one of his video thumbnail and title. Just watch the video for yourself (My English is very bad, sorry if I make spelling mistakes.)
@@rujifra Like I've commented before, these kinds of situations are always messy, these streamers could only ever go off their personal experiences and opinions, but due to the nature of cheating in video games recently almost every community has become more vitriolic towards them due to their negative and frustrating impact which does make falsely accused players suffer much more. I was only frustrated that so many people were commenting accusations and assumptions about the situations just like the people in those big OW streamer communities and how some commenters here seem to be jumping at the opportunity to lash out at anyone who didn't say so and so is right or these people are wrong, it was like looking at two sides of the same coin. (Also English was a-ok)
Gonna be honest, all of the personal stuff proves nothing. It just proves you trust your friend. There has been a mass exodus of mostly DPS players in the Top 500 leaderboards over every season because people were cheating, being good doesn't mean you can't cheat, chess grandmasters cheat, professional athletes cheat. Being mentally unwell doesn't prove you weren't cheating, it just proved that the result had an impact on you. The fact is Blizzard has banned him multiple times, not Flats, not Jay3, not KarQ.
Meanwhile 100% walling and aimbotting players stay for months. What to take away from that is up to the public, but there has been nothing substantial proving he was cheating except the bans, and nothing substantial proving that he wasn't at the time of his bans.
the bans dont prove anyone was ever cheating. everyone gets banned for cheating. i say the personal stuff because i legit watched him play the way he plays now, in person. that means nothing on screen no walls no cheats just him playing normally. flats did have the impact of him getting banned because it started with his report. devs watch their streams, ive seen it and ive seen them come into chats from larger creators after raids. they exist. he got banned mid match on an alt account on an account he hasn't played on all day, with monitor cam on. that proves it was a manual ban especially since it was against another larger creator being super and there probably were devs watching both streams. especially since he isnt cheating lol. he was banned on every account at the time of that ban meaning it attached it to his hardware and every account he made following, making this the most frustrating string of events we have ever experienced in this game.
this is a situation that NEEDS and DESERVES attention because the truth is not what people think. regardless i'll be trying to get in contact with people involved and in the near future LLK and i will attend events that have LAN pc's so we can have some sort of proof. there is no proof to him cheating to begin with and the fact that it's come to this point is sad
“The absence of evidence isn’t the evidence of absence” -Twitter
“Innocent until proven guilty”
"He's better than me so he's cheating" *with absolute 0% proof* evident that LLK keeps getting unbanned. These people need to be perma'd for abusing the system. These are targeted attacks and harassment at this point.
Those streamers were only going off of their impressions and experiences, it was blizzard that went to such extremes and their fault for not having proper cheater identification systems in place.
I don't see how the streamers specifically targeted the with harassment when this whole thing happened over a year ago and none of these streamers have mentioned them since.
Edit: also when trying to make any sort of claim both sides have to give evidence, evidence for cheating (which they gave in their videos) and evidence for not cheating (you've yet to give any)
@@redjester8169 I honestly believe ya'll are schizophrenic. Where's this 'evidence' that doesn't exist, yet your side keeps saying it does? Link me to it.
1. "when trying to make any sort of claim both sides have to give evidence"
No, nothing works this way anywhere in reality. Only the side making the claim has to provide evidence. "You're cheating" is a claim that needs to be proven. Responding with "No i'm not." Isn't a claim.
2. " I don't see how the streamers specifically targeted the with harassment when this whole thing happened over a year ago and none of these streamers have mentioned them since." Top tier Schizo, this video wouldn't exist if they haven't mentioned it since. He literally gave his reason for making this video in the beginning. Just admit you didn't watch it.
3. Also, LLK's evidence is that he isn't cheating is getting unbanned.
@@redjester8169terrible take at the end. How does one go about that?
@@redjester8169yes streamers are mention him again he literally join a matche and play good people already comment or report him insta because his name is already dirty.And yes he proved he did facecam handcam and showed his entire pc in the internet anyone with a brain would notice that he is not cheating different of the streamers that are accusing him they have any proof and dont even try to show any evidence but LLK showed way more🤣
@@stevismc1813 I'd start by looking at examples of players that have redeemed themselves in a community one way or another, by either proving their innocence or making up for it in the community, there's never a 'one thing fixes all' solution like you're implying. Unfortunately due to the nature of this incident and OW lacklustre design foresight, it is incredibly difficult to definitively change everyone's mind nor would it be both worth it and realistic, instead I think it would be much better to positively impact the community while repeatedly pushing any and all evidence of innocence until people eventually begin to think 'oh, maybe this guy cheated but he's reformed now' or 'maybe I was wrong and he didn't cheat after all'
This is by no means a definite fix for the issue, but you do have to start somewhere, and these guys are at a massive disadvantage. I realise you may just say it wouldn't actually do anything or there's nothing like that you can do in the community, but from what I could tell OW is a major thing for these guys and they obviously want to get back into their good graces, so any effort at all is effort well spent, no matter how effective it is, it shows sincerity to the parts of the community that matters.
I’m confused how people are poking fun at his mental health being ruined by this.
As someone who went through something similar (twitter hive mind from the OW community), having people afk your games, call you slurs, say nasty shit to you every game, and spam report your accounts til they are banned, it becomes pretty brutal. If Overwatch is a passion for someone, and you ruin that passion based off of mob-mentality harassment, it absolutely can remove joy that is present in ones life.
Instead of being so narrow minded, I urge everyone to consider the possibility that maybe this person IS innocent, and is being labeled a cheater based off of the word of some people snowballing bigger and bigger until everyone believes it.
At the end of the day, I have encountered so many cheaters in OW, and yet for this specific scenario I have not been provided a single clip of definitive proof from any of the many people who have had the nerve to claim they are 100% sure LLK is cheating
Do you delete every comment that accuses you of hacking? Because I feel like it’s obvious you and your friend are hacking and I haven’t seen any of these people that are accusing you of hacking saying anything. And btw I thought you were hacking before I even knew others were accusing you. I just saw a short where you shot at someone even though there was a wall in the way and immediately knew
you can’t fully hacksuate someone off a singular thing like it being shooting someone through a wall. there are multiple reasons for those instances. also you are gonna be lonely hackusating me here, this is about my friend. all the people hackusating me in my shorts like i just noticed from your activity see something crazy but no context. i practice that shit constantly and people get predictable. nobody i interact with or myself cheat
to improve and hit something with a hero especially in the lower elo also means to hear that you are cheating so many times. this big streamer bubble with so much power spoils the fun and the whole community. i'm sorry for you and LLK, i hope all this will finally stop...
This drama is over a year old, it has stopped but that was never mentioned in the video, I wonder why, genuinely.
never mentioned in the video? i literally said i made the video because its resurfacing in games and showed proof of getting slurred from people associating me as someone that perma duos a cheater. that was literally a clip from the day prior. the twitter links are also from a day or two prior of oualid perma shit talking and telling other streamers and ppl in lobby to report us. this is as recent as it gets, hence the video at all.
@@brookss_ Sorry I must have missed that while watching, it sucks to see its still becoming a problem even though it rightfully should have blown over by now. I can imagine the kind of flack you'd get in a comp game like overwatch but I honestly think the kind of people who flame you in game for that won't change their minds without it being forced down their throats, those kinds of people are just dead set in seeing things as black and white through their own opinions. the only way I see this being over and done with is by bringing your video to one of the big OW streamers to try to clear your names in person w/ the evidence you guys have for the OW community to see, I just cant see this video reaching the diehard members that are causing the problem this way.
It's unfair how coordinated reporting due to just word of mouth and no proof is enough to not only ban accounts but affect reputations. Well made video, and hopefully it will help clear up the misconceptions!!!
thank you softiya, me as well
I've been there in streams. He's always been genuine. Not once did I ever think he cheated. You can watch him make insane plays, and then wiff just like a normal person would. I always thought it was crazy that keph could do some crazy flick and its perfectly fine, but if someone else did it they were cheating somehow. I did notice LLK didn't really stream that much this year, but the few times he did there were at least a few people calling him a cheater. I believe that everyone can get good at something if they try hard enough. I like watching small and large streamers alike because it's interesting to see how each person performs on the same hero even in the same rank like others I know. I love all the streamers big and small. I really do love this community and all my friends in it. I wouldn't follow a cheater nor endorse doing so if I knew they were. LLK is a homie. Brooks is a homie. Love you friends
Crazy how common it is for bigger creators to bully smaller creators. Suuurely that'll never backfire for them.
I just searched up flats liveleakklub and found a few videos of both you and LLK using the hackusations to make gaming videos such as 'Playing with the most HACKUSATED widow ever' and stuff of a similar nature, coupled with the fact this whole drama is over a year old makes this feel incredibly off, like if you really cared that much wouldnt you have posted something like this first before all the baiting videos?
If i had to guess it sounds like this drama has just resurfaced and is only now causing problems for either of you so you posted a video trying to explain it away but thats mearly the impression i got as a brand new viewer.
I also found it strange how you criticized others for saying things without giving proof 5 seconds after claiming there was a livestream of LLK showcasing his natural talent, but didnt give any evidence yourself, no recording, no dates, no vods or anything, something you would imagine they would do if they had considered the hackusations to be a such a major issue at the time.
Im all for a good player prooving their innocence, but with the cercumstancial evidence and this video, i just cant comfortably claim that to be the case.
2:40 I believe is an area where brookss explains the proof towards LLK's attempt to show he was not hacking. showing cams with monitor and hands and also shows ms32 which shows certain software programs, hardware programs, etc. there is only so much evidence you can give that someone is not cheating before it gets tossed aside as "cheats can be hidden from monitors" etc. the hive mind agenda has shown to prove that most people will believe big content creators such as the people who made videos on LLK originally rather than looking at all sides of the accusations. I respect your eagerness to see evidence firsthand but when it comes to proving innocence against an already false accusation now backed up by the majority, it becomes pretty futile.
this video ruclips.net/video/cmL_a0w_-YM/видео.html was made during the heat of the causations on Mar 7, 2023, a day actually before Flats had posted a video himself. Defending his friend from the interaction on Flats stream that accused him of hacking and caused him to become mass reported which ultimately had him banned. because report systems function a lot of the times on the flood of reports instead of looking into it independently, especially when it comes from a very big influencer like Flats. this video is made now so the resurfaces of false allegations which caused not only LLK but brookss himself to become reported can be put to an end.
@cinellie3315 This is exactly what I wanted to see, thanks for the video I'll have a look rn
@@redjester8169 i just want people to have their proper research done before hopping on one side or the other. or at least the research we can as viewers/ the community have access to.
Honestly I completely agree with how difficult it is to prove innocence online and how hate and mob mentality can snowball into something ugly, but that still doesn't help me explain some of the things both of them did, such as the serious posts into complete 180 degree change in later videos. I think it's equally important to not mindlessly say things for either side until that exact point has been sufficiently evidenced, both in defence and in accusations, which I still just haven't seen enough of. If I'm being honest the year long gap has made this whole ordeal borderline impossible to solve, they should have just not waited a year to post this.
i have to say you're a good friend. i have no horse in this race, i do wanna believe he isnt cheating and im definitely not in a position to decide. just wanted to say he's lucky to have you as a true friend who sticks by his side.
thank you :) it’s been a very rough road seeing this from a perspective of someone who genuinely knows he would never cheat but get treated like he’s a complete disgrace (as cheaters should get treated obviously)
I just got banned and I play at a construction paper 3 level
i thick that what flats and jay 3 were saying was that he was just wall hacking he just knew were people were in the clips they used
also you cant really prove it either way because of blizzards system but at the same time if he was cheating and you were to you wouldn't be able to show it and if he got caught and stopped i would understand
@@stephenjd7716 honestly this comment serves zero purpose. this entire video is disproving the cheater allegations that came for over a YEAR. having to fight for his own right to enjoy a video game at a higher level because he's better than most people and not as known doesn't mean he's a cheater. this is hard evidence.
@@ItzAeternusI've watched half the video so far and I am yet to see hard evidence LLK was specifically not cheating on that day, wdym they disproved his allegations?
Also the above comment does have merit as it explains how circumstantial and difficult it would actually be to both prove and disprove his cheating allegations, you shouldn't dismiss someone's view point like that
@@redjester8169he literally went on stream to show his desktop and the task manager files he had, and guess what? There was no cheats…. And while you sit here and say there isn’t any proof he wasn’t cheating, there is 0 proof that he was
@@aidandoran8551 Just trying to be as fair as possible here, search up Blindfolded altreaon clear in Monster Hunter (specifically the drama around the faked run) and you'll see why I just can't put full faith in that. Sorry but its just too unclear to me.
Needing therapy over a video game is actually wild 🤣🤣🤣
putting 100% of your mental efforts while growing up being in school to likely make a career out of it because of the skill and energy put forward, just for it to be ripped beneath you mercilessly is a completely valid reason for needing therapy. especially in the instance where its STILL not resolved and affecting him and his connections to this day.
@@brookss_ it’s called life kid you move on lol soft ass generation
Judging from this video, LLK was aiming for a professional career in gaming either online or in tournaments. Coincidentally, my brother's known quite a few people in the professional gaming industry and even I can tell how much their ability to play, reputation and credibility means to them. It sounds like your not into that scene so its best not to assume a multimillion dollar business doesn't actually mean anything just because it doesn't to you.
@@redjester8169 I’m a welder in the union so no I don’t know. You are right I shouldn’t assume. Again I just think it’s wild
@@415gman Yeah from an outsider's perspective looking in, as games back in the 90's and such used to be seen as hobbies and pass times, things are constantly changing in big ways on the internet and gaming has grown much more seriously lately, its definitely understandable that it seems a bit unrealistic but its a good thing you get how impactful for younger generations.
These streamers got Main Character Syndrome
I rewatched the Flats video when he was spectating LiveLeak, and saw Live hit Orisa in the chest like 5 times and after that Flats said “I haven’t seen this guy not hit a headshot yet”….Flats my man you need to clean your glasses home dog.
that, and being so tank brained that you can't imagine a widowmaker in top 500 going for headshots just to go for the headshot is insane to me. people really can't think for themselves piggy back riding that kind of opinion.
@@brookss_ I also like how Flats is surprised that whenever Widow scopes in he always scoops in around sight lines….like “no shit Flats this is a Top 500 Widow who knows the map, how long has this map been out Flats???”
The saddest part is you probably believe that he's not cheating. He's letting you lie for him and taking you down with him
are u stupid i said i’ve watched him play irl
Bro doesn't sound very surprised he was banned, and just because you grew up with him doesn't mean he would tell you he uses cheats. He was banned for a reason and you don't know what the developers can see behind the scenes, cheats are cheap and very prevalent, especially in higher ranks and especially with streamers, he ruined the game for other players and got caught, multiple times, he deserves whatever repercussions he gets. You said you were both banned multiple times before for cheating, then say blizzard never unbans, but also said that you knew the loophole for getting unbanned, but its closed now so your making this video instead lol. I'm sure you knew he was cheating, you can cry 'false ban' all you want but MULTIPLE false bans is sus. Somebody call the whambulance, stop crying and just uninstall the hacks instead of continuously making new hack accounts lol.
average echo chamber. he clearly explains they get banned multiple times on end because of the abundance of people who are like you who are reporting and preaching hacks when you see someone better than you. he streams, posts clips, and has a handcam. trying to locate cheats with a handcam is quite literally impossible. if he was walling, you'd see it. if he was aimbotting, you'd see it. he had both monitors on screen and has MANY sources of legitimacy and you're just blind to it.
@@ItzAeternus yeah ok bruh like the 1k subscribers he’s crying too isn’t an echo chamber, look at all the comments glazing him lol. You don’t think he could make a new username if he wanted to so he wouldn’t get banned again? But if he made a new name and still got banned it would be even more sus.
you act like blizzard has some godly ban mechanic, llk just got mass reported and now his rep is f'd up which causes other people to falsely report him like brookss explains
I can tell you have room temp IQ with this comment.
@@MarineMike your only point in factor is subs and your "new name" theory. this is entirely baseless and i will not continue. thanks.
funny how this resembles the GEGURI situation during early overwatch esports, people literally quit over that (people who accused her of cheating said that if they were proven wrong, they would quit and many did). After hearing the way so many creators acted, it would be nice to see them do something similar, giving the add revenue to LLK would be a good start - that is, if they are proven wrong in the end.
It’s insane to think about what the hell you’re supposed to do if your LLK in this situation
I don't think it's as difficult as you make it out to be, but if I were put in LLK's shoes this very moment there ain't shit I could do to explain how they handled the accusations
How many kovaaks hours does he have
1500+ just checked
❤🔥FACTS 💯
I am yet to see solid facts
@@redjester8169 i have yet to see solid proof of him cheating. I've known these guys before this happened and LLK's skillz have not changed only improved. LLK also has gotten unbanned for false allegations after being reviewed. He has shown his footage on all his monitors while he plays/streams. We must have watched 2 different videos. It speaks for itself.
@@redjester8169 The Vid speaks for itself. I have yet to see solid proof of him cheating
Idk if hes cheating or not or if u will even see this but id just like to say that way back when dafran was just a kid AND cracked asf he got called a cheater all the time now hes beloved i hope if ur friend is innocent he will have the same glow up.
during the period he would have his glow up he was losing all his accounts bc the flag on his PC hwid ban so every account was getting banned very quickly either into QP or ranked as soon as GM was hit. he couldnt leverage anything or play at all so he couldnt stream and mental health dipped hard so now that it's been so long, its marinated big time and he's just another known cheater even though he doesn't cheat. just sad stuff that would be fixed w blizz having a real anti cheat system instead of literally random players choosing who they decide is cheating or not.
I feel bad for you two and thats kinda the sad thing if your gonna be a widow or hanzo player cause more then likely if you end up getting really good at those heroes more then likely people are gonnna suspect you cheating especially if your widow now i will say people specifically viewers we gotta use our brains more cause again streamers can make mistakes like some people could just have really good headset instincts etc so i hope you two aee doing fine now
he still gets banned and we have games thrown to this day, yes it’s sad
@brookss_ dang I'm sorry bout that and I actually relooked at the video of and if you look back at it a second time it's just good player energy like the only thing that would suspect is the ashe shot down the little hallway on kings row but that was just insane player reflex mentality so I'm sorry for both of you
ur still duoing with a cheater
no one cheats bro start thinking for yourself it’ll come off nicer
I agree about being nicer considering the matter @brookss_ , @jakkothy your comment is too accusatory and doesn't help, I'll check back for your 2nd post with clear evidence later
I'm sorry but the intro of saying imagining my hobby that is overtaking my life because I spend every waking moment practicing my aim just to have it taken away, yeah bros depressed about life because he can't play widowmaker anymore. I understand being passionate about a video game and a hobby, I get it I am too and I would be upset also but saying that someones mental health plummeted because they can't dink heads on widow anymore regardless of if they're cheating or not is not going to garner you any sympathy, it actually makes me feel like maybe your friend there might have needed a bit of a break to ground his mental health in something other than overwatch.
brookss was referring to his friend gaining constant hate from new viewers in his stream caused by the hack accusations. on top of the already banned accounts from being mass reported, keep in mind this guy was a smaller content creator. it would suck to see your channel grow but only because of hate viewers. it was a culmination of these reasons that most likely caused his mental to take a negative toll. which ultimately caused him to take a year break.
@@cinellie3315There is a wide range of things LLK could have done to quell his infamy but he decided to make videos parading his status of accused hacker around both of their channels, they never wanted to fix it in the beginning
@@redjester8169 it is never easy to go against a big influence in a community, such as big streamers, in the defending their name. the options are limited, the only thing someone can do is prove theyre not hacking, and how long until those attempts become futile because people will refuse to believe what theyre saying. that is hive mind agenda. btw brookss released a video a year earlier defending his friend as well.
@@cinellie3315 Of course mob mentality is a massive issue in these cases and I'm not downplaying it, but posting videos rage baiting on such a volatile issue is in no way attempting to defend themselves even if they posted a much more seriously toned video before hand, considering the likely hood of which video would be preform better in the YT algorithm. It could have been highly likely Flats and/or Jay3 may have seen those videos and decided to double down on their claims, which would have made this situation unrecoverable, I'm just glad they didn't see it so LLK and brooks can both have a fair shot without that mistake getting in their way.
@@redjester8169 I think your right. Although I don’t think rage-baiting is 100% the best way to approach this, it definitely gathered attention. Although that being said, I think with too much hate behind it. I hoped for attention to gather more support targeted towards LLK than hate targeted towards Flats. However it is getting both of those responses. Flats has heard (not confirmed to seen) about this video by the way, I have his response, he doesn’t care, not one bit. It’s not his job too either, I don’t think this controversy is even popular enough to have more content on it by those people. I just again hope, this brings support to LLK as the ultimate goal.
didn't he literally admit to cheating?
in the clip i posted in this video or somewhere else? its been going on for so long and nobody listening just makes us meme it because we have no power so if he says "im hacking im hacking" like he is in the clip getting banned, that was obviously a joke considering he has a whole ass monitor cam and shows proof of him not cheating after getting banned on everything
Even if lub was a cheater this is too far 😭
What part was too far?
The bans?
Harassment?
The public shaming?
If he was cheating, a ban is in order, I haven't seen any proof of him cheating, and evidence is the burden of the claimant. However all the slander and harassment is crazy regardless, the top ELO space is gatekept like crazy.
@@RamitsuAcapucolae I've recently watch a few videos on cheating in video games and honestly its almost impossible to 100% prove someone's innocence with the wacky, undetectable and super complicated processes that literally sidestep every single safety process on the market to the point where its neigh impossible to prove credibility to an actually innocent player without being in the same room at the time or having a lot of good faith in someone which I honestly think the original streamers would have if LLK and brooks honestly pled their case or even showed how far this has gone and how badly its affected them. As streamers/content creators themselves I bet they'd understand even without proof, its not worth ruining someone's hobby/mental wellbeing over an Overwatch game. I have no explanation for the vitriol and downright malicious actions people take towards any cheater/faker/person(s) they dislike as of late, I'm an avid fan of a lot of Vtubers despite being relatively disconnected from the community but some of these streamers have been driven to attempted suicide or financial debt when fans learn of the smallest thing they dislike about their chosen streamer and freak out online, like its gotten super bad over the years and you can more or less only pray that you don't get any accusations thrown against you, cause it will permanently impact your reputation as a public figure, especially if only a select few know the whole story that the original crowd never come to learn.
It's intersting how their aim went from god teir to shit after getting banned.
@@blubaustin1 just blatantly lying outward or lying to yourself
Its so sad how people can run with one story and not look into anything or in this case someone big says something word of mouth and the whole com hops on the band wagon. I feel bad for lub and i hope he recovers because its clear he has a gift that is just being stopped for no reason.
crazy how this video might reach them in 2 days before saying something and i find it crazy how the devs d suck the F out the streamers then someone trying to make a name its just like that one widow player back in 2017 i forgot his name but someone should filter it but bro you must must must come up with solid proof of cheating some widows are on crack and some are just bad but LUB is just on crack as a good widow so now in 2024 if you are a godly widow you are flagged as a cheater cus you wake up everyday like brookss said to practice aim and mechanics
do better streamers you mfs know u have power over the game you stream everyday
What every widow main deserves 🔥
let em know
Upper top 500 is gatekept.
Youd think after the whole Necros fiasco most streamers would be afraid to embarass themselves again with accusations. Pretty sure in the overwatch scene he was one of the few that managed to convince everyone he was legit after a while. Bet they all felt stupid when they kept seeing him show up in contenders
Justice for LLK!
Wdym?
As far as I've seen it these two have milked the hackusations for every penny
@@redjester8169 lets be honest, the only person here really getting any revenue is flats, it is so easy for large content creators to get a quick and easy money grab from hackusating videos. I have receipts of 3 videos with their ad status, flats hackusating video on LLK, brookss first addressing video, and brookss most recent addressing video (this one). Both on brookss' videos ads are at a minimum (probably required by youtube) which almost none of the revenue contributes to the creators video, while flats has ads up and running. flats' video hackusating LLK has 1 million + views, and information i gathered from socialblade (uses views to estimate revenue) gives an estimate of $529 - $4.2k revenue earnings, the basic median being $2000. Safe to say, brookss has NO comparison to flats when it comes to "milking hackusations". I cant post imgur links on yt so add my disc @cinellie if you want to see the receipts.
honestly i dont know liveleak nor do i watch him but he dose NOT look like hes hacking and i honestly feel so bad for him because a small streamer cant go up against a big streamer like flats
im his supplier he is definitely cheating bro
bruh what
flats ego is as big as he is
you dont get banned without software you shouldnt have.
I mean I don't know anything about this dude, but especially like 2-3 seasons ago in OW I had a couple of friends get suspended for no reason, and I myself was silenced and then suspended for 2 weeks despite literally never even joining comms, and I almost always even have text chat turned off, lol.
It is a small part of the reason I dropped the game, (that and after mauga released, the game became so unbelievably boring to me because every match was so obviously the same thing over and over again, and after about 2k hours it just got too tiresome to deal with).
Wrong
@@nimbus2490Unfortunately blizzards ban system has always been notoriously hit or miss with banning actual hackers and innocent players ever since OW 1, but it's not like they are ever gonna fix something that they don't see as broken
Here's proof. Notice how he didn't see the Tracer's name or the model in the replay towards the end of the clip and yet he still took a shot when the Tracer moved behind the wall. ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxVVQNwFloMMqsTe7tsayC3xYbCglgMXeU?si=V7Y4-AoYfZ4qz9vk
a single prefire (where he knew someone was) is cheating? plus footsteps exist cuh
footsteps, knowing the tracer will try blink to cover, good crosshair placement, also probably asking for a sonic in vc. Everything in the clip shows he knows how to play widow lmao
@@OkOil716I can't wait to see the clips of other top 500 widows doing the exact (and i mean exact) same thing, but I'll wait
@@wlgs.gehrmana clip of this would be nice, but I guess there is literally no evidence this ever happened, unfortunate as that would give quite a bit of credibility to LLK
@@redjester8169 prefiring exists in literally every fps bro why are you treating it like its some hacker trademark? This guy plays slightly above average 4 his rank and ppl immediately call cheats just bc he isnt super known or whatever. "0 sus shit in the replay but i've never heard of him so he must be cheating" after that its just retards on twitter telling everyone he cheats because their favorite streamer said so
why make 18 min video on low elo spinner ? XD?
Flats honmestly just blows Hes mad his reinhardt Cant 1 Tap Peioplwe
Hey jealously is a real thing
@@aheartstickr did you forget to switch accounts before relying? 💀
@@redjester8169 No i was following up on what i said
LLK is getting mixed up with all his alt accounts
@@xblur17 are you slow
therapy for cheating allegations is crazy 😭😭
he was being harassed bruh for alot people
What every widow main deserves🔥
@@qqekis hes getting therapy for a video game man thats just crazy
@@qqekispeople get harassed for a lot of things, especially by estranged fans of content creators. Unfortunately the only safe option is to avoid the drama until it passes, something neither of them did by choice
@@redjester8169yea i know but still doesnt matter if you wait it always gonna come back and his name is already fucked :/
flats being so big and being the poster boy of ow, if by any means hate being sent your way or to your friend and defaming yall name, in the US some states will let ya take it to court for defamation if lively hood is being ruin are false claims again said victim that would cause mental and other complications.
There's absolutely no chance either of these guys will ever take this to court, it's literally too much work and not even remotely worth it for either of them.
@@redjester8169 Why do I see you on every comment on this video, GET OUT OF MY HEAD.
@@RamitsuAcapucolae Lol, I went through the early comments of this video and was rather appalled at seeing the exact same mentality that caused and escalated this situation at the first place, from people instantly believing whatever was said in the video, people at no fault of their own not realising how circumstantial or insufficient some of the claims were, to people just openly attacking and wishing for the opposite people's lives to be disrupted/ruined. I realise I sound incredibly cruel in my comments, but I was strictly not picking a side, probing people's opinions and being as sceptical of any claims as possible.
Free my homie LLK fr fr 😔
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dude if you got diffed by a really good widow. Just admit that you got diffed, ITS THAT EASY. Just admit defeat man, you are not the main character if you get diffed. Respect the diff ESPECIALLY on widow.
I believe you based solely on the fact that flats the beluga whale was the one accusing your friend
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Bros been boosted since season 1 and dropped to diamond since emongg can't carry him anymore 💀
Justice for LLK
Love LLK
I support LLK
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nice video and nice explanation : )
They hate him because they ain’t him.
i have to say something ummm why dont all of the silly willies that accused/reported llk of cheating just watch one of his streams i just dont get it and again why would blizzard unban him if he was cheating the people that accused him are just not right and jump to conclusions like really. ok im done thanks to anyone who reads this i love brookss and llk and all of his community and hope the best for them. SEARCH BEFORE REPORTING!
Unfortunately mobs like the ones involved in this mess almost never do their own research before believing or claiming anything about the subjects they talk about simply because they don't care enough about the people it actually affects. Not everyone gives people the respect and time they deserve on the internet.
biggest hater here, bro still defending LLK LMAO
you bald
How does it taste?
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These people replying acting like they aren't doing the same thing for the opposite side 💀
@@redjester8169 you forget that the majority here is the bigger community of Flats and other big content creators who hop on a trend to accuse anyone they accuse. The people here, at least me, actually take the time to go through the clips and videos available to us to make a decision on if the accusations are actually justifiable.
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