Deathwatch was definitely one of the most interesting factions. I have no Idea why most factions exist but Deathwatch had a clear reason for being. GW writinf bad rules for them is not a logical reason to retcon the army out of existence.
Deathwatch was different and Cool. I Re-Started playing 40k In Mai or so, after a long streak of Bolt Action... and It was cool, but alot of people in my local Game Store play Space Marines. Every Army had the same troops. Eradicators (I implemented them myself), a Redemptor, Hellblasters, Aggressors with an Apothecary, Termniators + Chaplain and so on. Sure here and there they did different things. My Stuff was different. Just saying it felt bland playing against the same same Armies over and over again. Sure some brought their Necros and Tau too.... but, yeah... I like fresh stuff. I think GW was unwilling to really Give DW the Love they Initially put in the DW when they launched. It felt like a labour of love.
While I am irritated that DW is getting the 'Harlequin treatment', I can think of at least one valid rationale for it. Kill Team Cassius, as awesome a thing as they were, kinda pushed the watch down a path that doesn't really work in GWs crusade to dumb the game down. A mixed unit squad, just becomes harder and harder to simplify. Thus, Deathwatch get busted back to where they started, and hopefully revisted with a newer direction?
Well, I do understand that completely from a Gaming STandpoint. Was was gone for a while in 40k, and when I picked it back up in 10th with the DW it was hard. Shooting took ages... but I was willing to learn and play quicker. But the Dumbing down hit alot of stoff.... When I started in 8th I found it a bit complicated to understand all the different weapons profiles of 40k... BUT I tell you one thing... It made the Game RICHER. I play Bolt ACtion lately, and I would not call the Game Streamlined... It just is simpler. A Rifle, an SMG, Assault Rifles...Anti Tank Guns, Autocannons, MMG, LMGS....Mortars, Howitzers... thats almost it. No Reroll Millions of Dice, and It plays better. So I am kinda Mad and GW, but I also create Comics, Games and Content, so I do truly understand the need to streamline or make it more accesible. We Will see what happens. I will find a way to play them and will keep you up-to date.
@dariostabletopminatures To help put it into perspective a bit, Deathwatch started as a rule set found in an old issue of white dwarf. The venerable and original "Chaper Approved" rules. Primarily taken as an HQ option for any marine or imp guard army. So the new codex puts them kinda back to that point. I just hope, that they regain something akin to the original specialist ammo rule.
you got to buy all your mintatures again in their properly scaled figures now (please ignore their vehicles, that are still too small, just give them your money )
Except he might need to buy both the space marine and imperial agents codex just to use them. Plus the updates of data slates after. That's too much for a faction.
Nah. Death Watch are still a thing. They are just bck in the Inquisition book, where they began. They have been Space Marines with bonus units since always. The way you pick up the bonus units has changed, but you can still paint black Space Marines with silver arms, pick up the specalist units, and call 'em Death Watch. You've just gained the flexibility of the core SM book - or even using other SM sub factions!
When I picked them up they came out freshly...and I always wanted to play Inquisition. But the Years went on, and I got used to seeing them as their own chapter.
I've LOST the flexibility of codex space marines and I've GAINED the ability to leave all my characters and Transports and 90% of my deathwatch models on the shelf.
What is your source for this news? You ramble on and on about GW retiring the subfaction and some models... I've just made multiple Google searches and have found no backing evidence whatsoever for these claims. If you make a video with a clickbait title like the one above (and, of course, all in caps...), the very least you can do is mention where that so-called information comes from. Your video makes no sense whatsoever: - Deathwatch received a full update in June 2024's Balance Dataslate - Deathwatch points were updated in June 2024's Field Munitorum
I watched Auspex Tactics, and 40k Vtuber: Christian Von Carmian. You are right, I should have mentioned the Sources and not just Bait and Ramble. I wish It would have been a better Video! Well It seems the Only Datasheets that Survive (Index is gone) is Watchcaptain Artemis, The Watchmaster, the Corvus Blackstar and The Deathwatch Veterans.
@@AngelofDeath333 I REMEMBER, I WANTED TO PUT A Question Mark in the Thumbnail. But at the Moment of the Recording, I felt that GW had just Retired my whole Army. I had seen that in Age of Sigmar before.
They've moved Deathwatch from being random special units in Space Marines, to being random special units in Imperial Agents (ie. Inquisitors - where they started). Just make a Space Marine army, & take the Deathwatch units from Agents. Nothing has been lost, but extra flexibility has been gained.
Deathwatch was definitely one of the most interesting factions. I have no Idea why most factions exist but Deathwatch had a clear reason for being.
GW writinf bad rules for them is not a logical reason to retcon the army out of existence.
Deathwatch was different and Cool. I Re-Started playing 40k In Mai or so, after a long streak of Bolt Action... and It was cool, but alot of people in my local Game Store play Space Marines. Every Army had the same troops. Eradicators (I implemented them myself), a Redemptor, Hellblasters, Aggressors with an Apothecary, Termniators + Chaplain and so on. Sure here and there they did different things.
My Stuff was different. Just saying it felt bland playing against the same same Armies over and over again.
Sure some brought their Necros and Tau too.... but, yeah... I like fresh stuff.
I think GW was unwilling to really Give DW the Love they Initially put in the DW when they launched.
It felt like a labour of love.
No, but Deathwatch being retconned out of existence is a logical reason for GW writing them bad rules.
While I am irritated that DW is getting the 'Harlequin treatment', I can think of at least one valid rationale for it. Kill Team Cassius, as awesome a thing as they were, kinda pushed the watch down a path that doesn't really work in GWs crusade to dumb the game down. A mixed unit squad, just becomes harder and harder to simplify. Thus, Deathwatch get busted back to where they started, and hopefully revisted with a newer direction?
Well, I do understand that completely from a Gaming STandpoint. Was was gone for a while in 40k, and when I picked it back up in 10th with the DW it was hard. Shooting took ages... but I was willing to learn and play quicker. But the Dumbing down hit alot of stoff.... When I started in 8th I found it a bit complicated to understand all the different weapons profiles of 40k... BUT I tell you one thing... It made the Game RICHER.
I play Bolt ACtion lately, and I would not call the Game Streamlined... It just is simpler. A Rifle, an SMG, Assault Rifles...Anti Tank Guns, Autocannons, MMG, LMGS....Mortars, Howitzers... thats almost it.
No Reroll Millions of Dice, and It plays better.
So I am kinda Mad and GW, but I also create Comics, Games and Content, so I do truly understand the need to streamline or make it more accesible.
We Will see what happens. I will find a way to play them and will keep you up-to date.
@dariostabletopminatures To help put it into perspective a bit, Deathwatch started as a rule set found in an old issue of white dwarf. The venerable and original "Chaper Approved" rules. Primarily taken as an HQ option for any marine or imp guard army. So the new codex puts them kinda back to that point. I just hope, that they regain something akin to the original specialist ammo rule.
@@MrBadmonkeycw yeah I try to see it the same. Something new will come out of this!
I've heard this from several sources too. DW is just going to be an entry in the next Space Marine book.
We will see. Wheater they will be Space Marines or Imperial Agents.
Wouldn't that be nice
you got to buy all your mintatures again in their properly scaled figures now (please ignore their vehicles, that are still too small, just give them your money )
@@RavenShinyThings hahaha thats why I gotmyself into a Song of ICE and Fire...and Bolt Action.
Those black primed looks nice sculpted
gw really is out here squatting armies in current_year
Yeah maybe needed. Don't know. I loved the old Flavour better...but maybe they have to much armies around. Lets see what happens.
Not confirmed?
Just use the old rules with friends... All of the books (new Rules) are just a money grab and to mess with the lore.
I will! Yes I see it in a Similar way. That day... when I posted the Vid, I was a bit Sad and bitter at GW.
But we will see.
Legends will be played!
Deathwatch and Grey Knights are not going anywhere. Relax.
Then I will build My Redemptor Dreadnought on the Weekend with the DEATHWATCH Colors!
Except he might need to buy both the space marine and imperial agents codex just to use them. Plus the updates of data slates after. That's too much for a faction.
@@ethanvallance4989 Can I not just use Battlescribe and be cool. I check a youtube Video and thats it.
@@dariostabletopminatures whatever works my dude! Wishing you luck with the dw and I love your lil collection :))
You were wrong.
Nah. Death Watch are still a thing.
They are just bck in the Inquisition book, where they began.
They have been Space Marines with bonus units since always.
The way you pick up the bonus units has changed, but you can still paint black Space Marines with silver arms, pick up the specalist units, and call 'em Death Watch.
You've just gained the flexibility of the core SM book - or even using other SM sub factions!
When I picked them up they came out freshly...and I always wanted to play Inquisition. But the Years went on, and I got used to seeing them as their own chapter.
I've LOST the flexibility of codex space marines and I've GAINED the ability to leave all my characters and Transports and 90% of my deathwatch models on the shelf.
What is your source for this news? You ramble on and on about GW retiring the subfaction and some models... I've just made multiple Google searches and have found no backing evidence whatsoever for these claims.
If you make a video with a clickbait title like the one above (and, of course, all in caps...), the very least you can do is mention where that so-called information comes from.
Your video makes no sense whatsoever:
- Deathwatch received a full update in June 2024's Balance Dataslate
- Deathwatch points were updated in June 2024's Field Munitorum
Updated a few times honestly
I watched Auspex Tactics, and 40k Vtuber: Christian Von Carmian. You are right, I should have mentioned the Sources and not just Bait and Ramble. I wish It would have been a better Video!
Well It seems the Only Datasheets that Survive (Index is gone) is Watchcaptain Artemis, The Watchmaster, the Corvus Blackstar and The Deathwatch Veterans.
@@dariostabletopminatures their information isn’t even fully confirmed just posted as a question, possible theory
@@AngelofDeath333 I REMEMBER, I WANTED TO PUT A Question Mark in the Thumbnail. But at the Moment of the Recording, I felt that GW had just Retired my whole Army. I had seen that in Age of Sigmar before.
They've moved Deathwatch from being random special units in Space Marines, to being random special units in Imperial Agents (ie. Inquisitors - where they started).
Just make a Space Marine army, & take the Deathwatch units from Agents. Nothing has been lost, but extra flexibility has been gained.