Does this mean that your first train of the year for 2025 is, for the first time, not in OO? Glad to have the reviews back, you deserve the change of pace at the start of the year but it's nice to me to see the regular scheduled videos again.
Nice to see another good TT model. I thought the scenario of “is a modeller going to buy a OO 66 or a TT120 66” seemed a little bizarre. I thought people would decide on scale independent of one particular locomotive. So many other factors.
Class 66 in TT:120 first model review of the year for Sam’s trains and has set the standards. What a great model in TT:120 from Hornby. I have the GBRf, Class 66, Co-Co, 66714 'Cromer Lifeboat' and it comes with etched name plates and the livery and detail is stunning. Like Sam’s smooth as you like and a cracking model. Highly recommended this model and TT:120 to anyone All the best Anth Knill 👍
I don't often comment, but I have to tell you: your close-up camera work really is marvellous, Sam! It's only when your finger appears in shot that I realise just how small this loco is (compared to OO, anyway). Another smashing video!
It's great to hear that some other manufacturers are having a go at TT, that's essential if it's got a chance of catching on. On the speed thing compared to the 50, the class 50 is a 100mph express passenger loco whereas the 66 has a max speed of 75mph and is (almost exclusively) used for freight.
Hi Sam, I see the new intro background coach for this year is Southern. Also I really wanted to thank you for your tip about waiting patiently and keeping an eye out for model deals. Because of that I was able to recently snag a beautiful brand new Hornby Dublo Flying Scotsman for half price!
Well done - it's a good strategy. In August I paid close to full RRP for a Hornby 00 scale 9F, The Black Prince (an excellent model) only to find that a retailer is now offering it at a very big discount. I'd like to get the newly announced Hornby Midland Blue Pullman 2-locomotive set but can't justify paying the RRP of nearly 300 pounds as only one is powered, the other a dummy. Two of the big retailers are offering it at a 10% discount, which is helpful but still not quite a 'feasible' price, IMO. I'll wait in hopes of a 'flash sale' with a big reduction - risky, of course, as it might never happen!
The Class 59 and 66 locos are some of my favorite British diesels because they're just SD40s that were stripped of their original hood and stuffed into a shell that fits the UKs tiny loading gauge.
Welcome back sam, interesting video, I'm a big fan of class 66, by the way I just got into TT120 and I don't like the hornby coupling so I've changed them out for some of west hill wagon works magnetic coupling, since doing so had no problem with coupling up my locomotives to my coaches, don't have the 66 yet hope to get one one in couple of months time.
I’ve got two 66’s and having to order slightly longer magnetic couplings so they can pull the wagons and coaches. I work away but when I’m next at home I’ll have a look at the ones I already have.
It’s a fantastic loco. Hornby have really done well with TT. I’d love to see another company join in the fun and produce locos but the ones I have so far have all been amazing.
Hi Sam, what a way to start the new year, I just got bachmann's lnwr improved precedent class in the LMS Black for a incredible price brand new on Facebook. I can't wait to get it in the mail soon ;) Cheers Jasper & Willow
hi Sam the hornby decoders always come with a sugar cube speaker which simply plugs in to the decoder and has a peel off self adhesive ring to insert into the speaker moulding and a small socket for a stay alive
Great to see you enthusiastic about a TT model, Sam! I'm really enjoying the scale. On pricing, while I understand the comparison with Accurascale's offering, it may be slightly fairer to compare with a new Hornby release in OO scale. I am more used to Continental pricing, tho, so, even at the full price, the model is an absolute bargain to me.
Comparing OO to TT, particularly price-wise, is misleading. Recently, you reviewed an OO9 scale Double Fairlie with a RRP of more than GBP230, and the upcoming Dapol N scale Class 66 has an indicated RRP of more than GBP170. Apart from etched nameplates, Dapol's features list looks similar to Hornby's TT offering, right down to the clip on body - will you be comparing the Dapol N scale 66 to Hornby's TT? If size versus price guided railway modellers' thinking, there would be no market at all for N or OO9 scale. As you say, it is more difficult to implement some OO scale features in smaller models, which undoubtedly require more finesse in their construction. Each model deserves to be judged on its merits, not on comparison to other scales.
Happy New Year as well Sam. Lovely model. The 66 is such an impressive loco in the real. Good well done job from H here. Price is a bargain from Continental perspective. If H succeeds keeping this quality up they might even have some winners on the European Continent as well, based on pricing. They will have to proof consistency over time though, as H doesn't radiate a reputation on quality over here. TT track-work from H is best to stay away from but so far the locos and rolling stock does tick all the good boxes. How they will fare over time on durability (motors, mechanism) is to see of course. Except their track-work, so far so good. Cheerio.
I just love all your videos sam......I started to collect model trains about a year ago I have a BNSF gp40 a Norfolk southernF7A and a Union Pacific dash 9 and a 060 steam switcher locomotive. Keep up the train collecting❤
I think the TT range needs a couple of DMUs before i consider starting a project in it... I model modern image passenger stuff, and even with the smaller scale i don't have room for loco-hauled or HST sets to look right.
Our house is firmly in the 'Lionel 3-rail O-scale' camp due to my father's original choice, but interesting to see what UK-ans are up to. Interesting to see the emphasis on 'how good of a runner' it is.
Hi Sam. Both my gbrf 66s have etched plates. All 3 are now run in and im really pleased by them. Need Freightliner green, DRS and EWS version soon too. Also need a 59 version 2. Caroline.
These DB locos are everywhere man. I saw one last year in Krakow, Poland. Like the class 66 just going through a junction in DB colors. American loco, with a British predecessor, owned by germans and driving around Europe. I love the EU hahaha XDD
There are photos of them even from Belarus, in the original EWS livery and in DB Schenker red one. Search for 66153, 66178, 66196, 66227 or 66237 DB Cargo Polska, Brest-Paunochny, e.g.
Hi Sam. Excellent video. I see why you decided to compare this loco with a OO example: original thinking. If I was staring out in the hobby, I'd seriously consider opting for TT120.
I expected you to maybe get the large logo one but great that see the DB one instead, decent review overall, looks like a great loco for TT. I have been at Rails of Sheffield today for their Heljan takeover event, came back with one of their class 86 locomotives.
Your channel growth reveals what a great job you are doing! Please, keep it up. I've followed you since the days you collab'ed with Chambs123. Just giving you an "attaboy!". :)
I purchased the GBRf version of the Class 66. The model comes with crisp silver on black nameplates printed directly on the corrugated sides of the locomotive. These look very good and you have to get close to see that they are printed. The model also includes a pair of etched metal nameplates should you decide to install them. The extra pilots are painted appropriately for the locomotive, so they differ from the ones shown in the video. I fitted a Hornby HMDCC decoder to mine. The speaker is included with the decoder and neatly fits the chassis enclosure. The speaker is prewired and plugs into a socket on the decoder. Installation takes about ten minutes if you take your time. Yes, there are controllable cab lights. You also have independent control of the upper headlight with F0 just activating the lower two. Plenty of sound choices too. Overall, I fully agree with your A rating and the HMDCC makes the model even better.
Southern coaches for the intro this year!! I don’t care too much for tt but since it’s the first review I’ll watch a bit of it. Do you have reviews on the Leader, Stirling Single, and second run of Genesis Coaches coming soon?!
I'm not sure why you are comparing models between scales. It seems totally irrelevant. If you're modelling in OO, you'd buy the Accurascale Class 66. If you're modelling in TT-120, you'd buy the Hornby version... and all you'd want to know is if it's any good or not compared to other TT-120 models. Otherwise, it's just apples and oranges. Personally, I think you should only compare models within the confines of that scale. Not everyone has OO, or can afford both, or have the space for it.
There's a good reason for it - TT is new to the UK and beginners will have to make the choice between TT or another scale. OO is the most popular scale in the UK hence the most suitable for comparison. I can't see how comparing this to other TT models could deemed any more useful, given that there isn't another TT class 66, so I'd have to compare it with a different class all together... would this not be apples and oranges too? Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@ I understand that to some extent, however there are inherent limitations to the scale (due to size and other factors) that you wouldn't get in OO, and you accept that going in. Fair enough if it's a "Should you model in TT-120 or OO?" video, but it's not. If I have TT-120 track, and £150 to spend on a loco, I just want the most loco for the money. I don't care what the equivalent is in other scales - it's entirely irrelevant to me. I can't use it, so why would I care? It's a bit Jim Bowen ("have a look at what you could have won!"). I model in N scale. I still watch your OO and TT-120 videos even though I'm never likely to buy them, but if you reviewed an N scale A4 versus a OO or O scale A4 it feels disingenuous to me. Of *course* the latter is going to have more features and detail. Anyway, just my opinion. Carry on.
Great review. On the lack of prefitted speaker. The HM7000 decoders include a speaker with them. Therefore as if you are buying TT:120 I’d say it’s a fair assumption for you to go for the HM7000 system. This therefore reduces wastage for those who wouldn’t have fitted one anyway, keeps the cost down etc. I think this is the correct move if this case. To be frank as well with OO models with prefitted speakers, they are often the cheapest and rubbish so need replacing anyway. I’d often just prefer it if they just left decent space for a proper speaker rather than fitting a tiny sugarcabe in. Accurascale and Cavalex are brilliant in this regard.
The Class 66 is the perfect modern loco to model for TT, as TT is in the same scale as continental models, Hornby could produce this in European liveries. They could even modify the tooling to depict the EMD Class 77s you find on the continent. This would be a great hit for modellers across the channel. Hopefully Hornby will be smart enough to use this to their advantage.
Sam, would you think an alarm clock is a better value than a Rolex wristwatch? It is certainly much heavier and after all, both are used to tell time. Comparing the double O scale and the TT scale seems a bit nonsensical to me.
I'd say yes the alarm clock is much better value - but with Rolex you're paying for the brand. The Hornby name doesn't warrant higher prices over Accurascale in the way Rolex does over other brands. Beginners looking to model just one scale will need to choose which scale to model... hence why I do so many comparisons, so no I don't consider it nonsensical. Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@ nonsensical was a very poor choice of words on my part. I apologize for that. I absolutely love watching your videos. It’s not that I am complaining, just commenting. Keep up the fantastic work, thank you.
The DB red class 66 might appeal to European TT modelers, as DB red class 66s do operate in Continental Europe. You should definitely take a look at Piko or Tillig TT models to see how well Hornby does TT compared to other TT models out there.
Hi Sam, First have a successful and happy 2025 together with your lovely compagnon! If I started as a newbie in model railroading TT would be my choice. But I'll stick with Ho - OO. Compared with EU TT-scale manufacturers like Piko - Roco - Tillig (=Bachmann) the prices scale out very similar for a Co-Co Diesel Loc. And the quality of this Hornby class 66 is outstanding and will add to the popularity of the scale in the UK as is in EU. It gives Hornby a nice open door to the EU market and that's a very positive aspect too. Cheers, Filip
bear in mind Hornby did have to pay for the original tooling coasts and the costs for the design and development, unlike accurescale who just re-tooled Hattons 66, and realistically with Hornby potentially facing bankruptcy why would the risk braking even with 1000 locos when they can brake even with 700.
I would say we have this engine in Knuckle Yard in Port Talbot, but we have so many members of this class come and go that I can never remember which is which. Except for no. 66148
Seeing how we got the Arnold container wagons badged as Hornby I wonder if Hornby will release Continental liveried versions of this 66 under the Arnold brand.
Hi Sam, every time you do an unboxing on the floor there are always a few boxed locos in the background on your black wheeled unit, im intrigued as to what they are, any chance of a show and tell?
I am always leery of new or used locomotive that shows an excessive amount of oil like this one does and I can only come up with three reasons for this. 1: The grease applied at the factory has a too thin viscosity. 2: The quality control inspector #9 #9 #9 had to add oil to the grease due to craw or running issues. 3: The locomotive was stored in a very hot storage area and the oil separated from the grease as a result. At any rate it is a great little locomotive and well deserving of an "A" so excellent review. By the way the three #9's for the inspector was a very obscure subtle hint that the new Beatles stuff is out from Hornby, and I know you will buy one of each piece of dung they produced just for giggles and maybe to get your Pugsley Adams on. I wish Ringo was never affiliated with Thomas the Tank Engine because that is the only train affiliation I can think of that caused this abomination, LMAO. Jersey Bill
The other TT120 66s do have etched nameplates in the accessory bag .you have to watch the pipes underneath they do hit the bogie backs sometimes. Arnold euro versions coming soon in 2025 too. Great loco otherwise evening star version is my favourite.
I agree with you Evening Star is my favourite 66 that I have. I also have a Dapol O gauge one on preorder with DCC Sound. Can’t wait for it to arrive. Regards from.
In your next Thomas and Friends review or running session video, you should put in some kind of tribute to Britt Allcroft (the person who created the Thomas and Friends TV series), she passed away three weeks ago. I'm thinking of making one of my own, too.
Wow - thorough review and clearly a great model. Thanks Sam! I have a lot of N *scale* stuff (boxed up in the garage currently), well before TT. It may not be realistic, but are TT scale couplings etc. compatible with N scale? Would a combination of N and TT look completely ridiculous? If I start a new layout it will be N gauge, as I don't have space for OO/HO. Complicating this is I live in NZ where all rail is narrow gauge, so constructing a completely realistic railway is challenging! I think it might be time you put together a small TT scale diorama, or an extra N gauge track around your layout! Big fan of your videos and reviews :D
SDS in Australia are making some HO scale Queensland, South Australian and Tasmanian model diesels that have the option of TT gauge bogies to get the narrow gauge right. Also provides some space saving with tighter curves and shorter trains not looking so out of place with narrow gauge. Most buyers are opting for the narrow gauge versions. They seem to have also had enough interest to do a Malaysian version of the diesel option.
Good review Sam a A is a good score for a awesome model , the Highland Rail emblem on the side was actually a sticker on the real loco's ,also a fun fact the last 66 built was named Evening Star like the last steam loco' built for BR and it is in BR lined green .As for the price increase ,not related a three pack of small tins of spag'used to be 99p , now they are 2.50 !!!! so work that out.
Will wait 365 Days when Sam reviews this very model as the last model of the year 2025. Beautiful Review and I love this Color ! P.S.: Patiently waiting for your Own 3D Printed Detailed Model Reviews !! 👻👻
I also like the db livery but I’m looking forward to getting my accurascale 66 oo guage I got my accurascale p800 class today and look forward to your review of yours but tbh I’m blown away
I don't loathe this livery - on the contrary - but personally I prefer the BR large logo blue, but that's because I'm an old git with fond memories of 47's and 56's in this livery running past my secondary school on the Walsall - Water Orton line back in the late 70's, early 80's. Very practical for clandestine train spotting when I should've been studying Shakespeare in my English Literature class 😂
Hey Sam, out of curiosity do you get S gauge in the UK? It’s sort of the half way point between O and HO. The best known manufacturer for it is called American Flyer (nowadays owned by Lionel) but having seen photos, the newer tooled releases look very well detailed. But be warned, if you order Flyer Chief or Lion Chief models, expect budget results in the detail department.
UK S-gauge is very much a scratch-builder's scale. Layouts do occasionally appear in the model press, but there is little or no commercial support out there.
@ oof, yeah I get that. Truth be told, I’m only using it as a bounce pad for a more prototypical On3 gauge. O27 car bodies on S gauge trucks/bogies and track, it really does lend itself to the 3 foot narrow gauge vibe. Unfortunately I’ll have to make my own locomotives if I want something to scale nicer with my o gauge equipment. A 3d printer is definitely on my bucket list. Then comes the reverse boards (O and S gauge are AC in the US and not DC)
Edited to refer to the 3 ft 6 Inch gauge track used that is the most common narrow gauge by track length in the world. S scale is used extensively in New Zealand but running on HO track to very closely simulate the 3 ft 6 Inch gauge track that is standard for New Zealand. Some scratch builders and kit assemblers do the same scale and gauge combination when modelling these narrow gauge lines from Queensland and Western Australia as well as railways from Africa. In Australia commercially produced locomotives and rolling stock are being produced in HO scale to run on TT track to model the most common narrow gauge railway systems in Australia.
@HighballMachineWorks curiously of course flyer had a range of dc locos introduced in the 1947 catalogue, including the big Northern. Locos with universal motors run considerably better on dc, but in model train idiom there's all sorts of other factors that come in to a manufacturers choice
Brilliant video Sam and a great start to 2025! It's just ironic of how great Hornby's TT 66 is in comparison to their OO Offering, which is absolutely terrible at their price. I would rather pay an extra 70 pounds for Accurascale! Should have done a comparison between the OO Class 66 (Hornby) and their TT offering.
Good review! From what I’ve heard/seen, nameplates are included in other TT Class 66 locomotives. I agree about the screws on the body and bogies. Screws can be a pain sometimes, but they’re essential for the model’s longevity. If one of those clips breaks the bogie has to be serviced. Not good. The only other thing I’d add is that the Class 50 is probably geared higher because of the nature of the locomotive. As an express passenger train, it had to haul coaches for Intercity service. The Class 66 in real life is a slower moving freight locomotive. I think that explains the gearing difference in the models. I’d be curious to see a review of the upcoming Revolution Class 66 in N Scale. It’s shaping up to be a great model. Reviewing it would give you a unique video/perspective as you could compare OO Accurascale, TT Hornby, and Revolution N. Of course, I understand each model you buy is an investment in your channel and you have to approach things strategically. Cheers!
The first three Arnold versions have been announced and retail on the Continent at the same price as the Hornby. This makes the Class 66 in Continental terms A BUDGET LOCO, more in line with Tillig's prices than the Piko or Roco ranges. Speakers don't seem to be standard in this case across the scale, bearing in mind the Class 66 is also intended as a European model. BTW you can spend Hornby points on Arnold. One other point on the OO- there is space inside any OO model that is only there because the gauge is too narrow. A model 66 in HO would be comparable for space to put things behind the grilles.
There's probably multiple reasons for those that dislike it. For some it's the lack of variations, for some it'll be that it replaced EWS, and for some it'll be simply that it's a "foreign" (German) livery.
Ass mass is dependant on the cube of the length the difference in scale means that a OO loco should be 3.93 times as heavy, so a 100 gramme TT:120 model is equivalent to a 393 gramme model in OO. The TT:120 Class 66 is in scale terms heavier than the Accurascale.
Hornby/Arnold made class 66s are a great alternative to only one single UMFs class 66 in Freighliner PL livery which costs for sound and assembled over a 1000 quid (there kits are a lot cheaper the same class 66 cost less than 100 pounds in analog version)
You can’t compare costs of different scale locos. The only difference is material costs. Research and development costs are the same. Also Accurascale didn’t do that for the OO version, they just paid a one off price which would have been a fraction they would have had to pay to design and build from scratch. So, is the class 66 in TT a well built, well detailed model? Yes it is. Is it value for money? Can you build one in that detail, that high finish for that price? Of course you can’t. So that makes it honestly a good value high detailed model
I think Hornby should sell off their OO scale stuff and focus on TT; their new stuff in this scale really shines, and it shows in the score Sam gives it in this review video. Their OO scale stuff sometimes is great and sometimes stinks (again, according to past reviews.) Also, the sell-off of their OO-scale IP (Intellectual Property) could help them through rough financial times until they can get more TT-scale production going. 😊
I like TT but I am wary of going down that rabbit hole. My oo collection costs me an arm and a leg and very soon a kidney. The 66 is great and looks the part.
1:31 Sam's Yoda moment "Expect it nevertheless I do"
Does this mean that your first train of the year for 2025 is, for the first time, not in OO?
Glad to have the reviews back, you deserve the change of pace at the start of the year but it's nice to me to see the regular scheduled videos again.
Nice to see another good TT model. I thought the scenario of “is a modeller going to buy a OO 66 or a TT120 66” seemed a little bizarre. I thought people would decide on scale independent of one particular locomotive. So many other factors.
Absolutely . It’s like comparing a wrist watch with Big Ben……you buy the watch becuase you haven’t got space for the other
Wonderful to have regular reviews back, though your holiday videos were outstanding.
Class 66 in TT:120 first model review of the year for Sam’s trains and has set the standards. What a great model in TT:120 from Hornby.
I have the GBRf, Class 66, Co-Co, 66714 'Cromer Lifeboat' and it comes with etched name plates and the livery and detail is stunning. Like Sam’s smooth as you like and a cracking model.
Highly recommended this model and TT:120 to anyone
All the best Anth Knill 👍
Great to see another TT loco reviewed. I have the BR blue livery on HM7000 DCC and it's just amazing with all the sounds and lighting options.
Wise chap!🎉
Even though I am not TT person, I am pleased, especially for Hornby since they are not yet out of the woods, that this is so good.
I don't often comment, but I have to tell you: your close-up camera work really is marvellous, Sam! It's only when your finger appears in shot that I realise just how small this loco is (compared to OO, anyway).
Another smashing video!
It's great to hear that some other manufacturers are having a go at TT, that's essential if it's got a chance of catching on.
On the speed thing compared to the 50, the class 50 is a 100mph express passenger loco whereas the 66 has a max speed of 75mph and is (almost exclusively) used for freight.
Hi Sam, I see the new intro background coach for this year is Southern.
Also I really wanted to thank you for your tip about waiting patiently and keeping an eye out for model deals. Because of that I was able to recently snag a beautiful brand new Hornby Dublo Flying Scotsman for half price!
Well done - it's a good strategy. In August I paid close to full RRP for a Hornby 00 scale 9F, The Black Prince (an excellent model) only to find that a retailer is now offering it at a very big discount. I'd like to get the newly announced Hornby Midland Blue Pullman 2-locomotive set but can't justify paying the RRP of nearly 300 pounds as only one is powered, the other a dummy. Two of the big retailers are offering it at a 10% discount, which is helpful but still not quite a 'feasible' price, IMO. I'll wait in hopes of a 'flash sale' with a big reduction - risky, of course, as it might never happen!
The Class 59 and 66 locos are some of my favorite British diesels because they're just SD40s that were stripped of their original hood and stuffed into a shell that fits the UKs tiny loading gauge.
Welcome back sam, interesting video, I'm a big fan of class 66, by the way I just got into TT120 and I don't like the hornby coupling so I've changed them out for some of west hill wagon works magnetic coupling, since doing so had no problem with coupling up my locomotives to my coaches, don't have the 66 yet hope to get one one in couple of months time.
I’ve got two 66’s and having to order slightly longer magnetic couplings so they can pull the wagons and coaches. I work away but when I’m next at home I’ll have a look at the ones I already have.
It’s a fantastic loco. Hornby have really done well with TT. I’d love to see another company join in the fun and produce locos but the ones I have so far have all been amazing.
Hi Sam, what a way to start the new year, I just got bachmann's lnwr improved precedent class in the LMS Black for a incredible price brand new on Facebook. I can't wait to get it in the mail soon ;)
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Only started watching your videos for about six months ago like your presentation well done 👏 😊😊
Sam I got my bullied leader in the mail today, I know you’re getting yours soon too. It’s quite the model!
hi Sam the hornby decoders always come with a sugar cube speaker which simply plugs in to the decoder and has a peel off self adhesive ring to insert into the speaker moulding and a small socket for a stay alive
Great to see you enthusiastic about a TT model, Sam! I'm really enjoying the scale. On pricing, while I understand the comparison with Accurascale's offering, it may be slightly fairer to compare with a new Hornby release in OO scale. I am more used to Continental pricing, tho, so, even at the full price, the model is an absolute bargain to me.
Comparing OO to TT, particularly price-wise, is misleading. Recently, you reviewed an OO9 scale Double Fairlie with a RRP of more than GBP230, and the upcoming Dapol N scale Class 66 has an indicated RRP of more than GBP170. Apart from etched nameplates, Dapol's features list looks similar to Hornby's TT offering, right down to the clip on body - will you be comparing the Dapol N scale 66 to Hornby's TT? If size versus price guided railway modellers' thinking, there would be no market at all for N or OO9 scale. As you say, it is more difficult to implement some OO scale features in smaller models, which undoubtedly require more finesse in their construction. Each model deserves to be judged on its merits, not on comparison to other scales.
What a cracking model to kick off this year with! Well done Hornby!
Happy new year sam!!! May you find all the best trains
Happy New Year as well Sam. Lovely model. The 66 is such an impressive loco in the real. Good well done job from H here. Price is a bargain from Continental perspective. If H succeeds keeping this quality up they might even have some winners on the European Continent as well, based on pricing. They will have to proof consistency over time though, as H doesn't radiate a reputation on quality over here. TT track-work from H is best to stay away from but so far the locos and rolling stock does tick all the good boxes. How they will fare over time on durability (motors, mechanism) is to see of course. Except their track-work, so far so good. Cheerio.
I just love all your videos sam......I started to collect model trains about a year ago I have a BNSF gp40 a Norfolk southernF7A and a Union Pacific dash 9 and a 060 steam switcher locomotive. Keep up the train collecting❤
I think the TT range needs a couple of DMUs before i consider starting a project in it... I model modern image passenger stuff, and even with the smaller scale i don't have room for loco-hauled or HST sets to look right.
Our house is firmly in the 'Lionel 3-rail O-scale' camp due to my father's original choice, but interesting to see what UK-ans are up to. Interesting to see the emphasis on 'how good of a runner' it is.
Have you ever thought of adding some scenery to your TT and N gauge Layout Sam?. I think it would be really nice, especially as its on a board.
He'd need to move the N layout onto a separate board for that, otherwise half the scenery would be one scale and half the other.
@Eric_Hunt194 doesn't matter honestly if it's all just for a bit of fun.
Hi Sam. Both my gbrf 66s have etched plates. All 3 are now run in and im really pleased by them. Need Freightliner green, DRS and EWS version soon too. Also need a 59 version 2. Caroline.
These DB locos are everywhere man. I saw one last year in Krakow, Poland. Like the class 66 just going through a junction in DB colors. American loco, with a British predecessor, owned by germans and driving around Europe. I love the EU hahaha XDD
There are photos of them even from Belarus, in the original EWS livery and in DB Schenker red one. Search for 66153, 66178, 66196, 66227 or 66237 DB Cargo Polska, Brest-Paunochny, e.g.
Hi Sam. Excellent video. I see why you decided to compare this loco with a OO example: original thinking.
If I was staring out in the hobby, I'd seriously consider opting for TT120.
Very remarkable! First review of 2025, and a good revamped tooling from Hornby with their Class 66 diesel model :D
A really positive and thoughtful review, thanks Sam. 😊
Just received my Cromer Lifeboat version with txs fitted . It runs great looks great sounds great. All for£166.50
I expected you to maybe get the large logo one but great that see the DB one instead, decent review overall, looks like a great loco for TT.
I have been at Rails of Sheffield today for their Heljan takeover event, came back with one of their class 86 locomotives.
Your channel growth reveals what a great job you are doing! Please, keep it up. I've followed you since the days you collab'ed with Chambs123. Just giving you an "attaboy!". :)
I purchased the GBRf version of the Class 66. The model comes with crisp silver on black nameplates printed directly on the corrugated sides of the locomotive. These look very good and you have to get close to see that they are printed. The model also includes a pair of etched metal nameplates should you decide to install them. The extra pilots are painted appropriately for the locomotive, so they differ from the ones shown in the video.
I fitted a Hornby HMDCC decoder to mine. The speaker is included with the decoder and neatly fits the chassis enclosure. The speaker is prewired and plugs into a socket on the decoder. Installation takes about ten minutes if you take your time. Yes, there are controllable cab lights. You also have independent control of the upper headlight with F0 just activating the lower two. Plenty of sound choices too.
Overall, I fully agree with your A rating and the HMDCC makes the model even better.
You've definitely started strong Sam.
Even though I don't collect/model TT120 even I'll say it's a beautiful model.👍
Great model when I think of a class 66 I think of EWS also can you try some more American Rapido models?
Great vid! I love the 66s!
Southern coaches for the intro this year!! I don’t care too much for tt but since it’s the first review I’ll watch a bit of it. Do you have reviews on the Leader, Stirling Single, and second run of Genesis Coaches coming soon?!
Nice review Sam and good job Hornby.
I'm not sure why you are comparing models between scales. It seems totally irrelevant. If you're modelling in OO, you'd buy the Accurascale Class 66. If you're modelling in TT-120, you'd buy the Hornby version... and all you'd want to know is if it's any good or not compared to other TT-120 models. Otherwise, it's just apples and oranges. Personally, I think you should only compare models within the confines of that scale. Not everyone has OO, or can afford both, or have the space for it.
There's a good reason for it - TT is new to the UK and beginners will have to make the choice between TT or another scale. OO is the most popular scale in the UK hence the most suitable for comparison. I can't see how comparing this to other TT models could deemed any more useful, given that there isn't another TT class 66, so I'd have to compare it with a different class all together... would this not be apples and oranges too?
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@ I understand that to some extent, however there are inherent limitations to the scale (due to size and other factors) that you wouldn't get in OO, and you accept that going in. Fair enough if it's a "Should you model in TT-120 or OO?" video, but it's not.
If I have TT-120 track, and £150 to spend on a loco, I just want the most loco for the money. I don't care what the equivalent is in other scales - it's entirely irrelevant to me. I can't use it, so why would I care? It's a bit Jim Bowen ("have a look at what you could have won!").
I model in N scale. I still watch your OO and TT-120 videos even though I'm never likely to buy them, but if you reviewed an N scale A4 versus a OO or O scale A4 it feels disingenuous to me. Of *course* the latter is going to have more features and detail.
Anyway, just my opinion. Carry on.
Great review.
On the lack of prefitted speaker. The HM7000 decoders include a speaker with them. Therefore as if you are buying TT:120 I’d say it’s a fair assumption for you to go for the HM7000 system. This therefore reduces wastage for those who wouldn’t have fitted one anyway, keeps the cost down etc. I think this is the correct move if this case.
To be frank as well with OO models with prefitted speakers, they are often the cheapest and rubbish so need replacing anyway. I’d often just prefer it if they just left decent space for a proper speaker rather than fitting a tiny sugarcabe in.
Accurascale and Cavalex are brilliant in this regard.
The Class 66 is the perfect modern loco to model for TT, as TT is in the same scale as continental models, Hornby could produce this in European liveries. They could even modify the tooling to depict the EMD Class 77s you find on the continent. This would be a great hit for modellers across the channel. Hopefully Hornby will be smart enough to use this to their advantage.
@azuma892 if you look at Arnold's website new for 2025 you'll see euro tt 66/77s in TT120.
The class 77 has been announced in the Arnold TT range for summer 2025.
Sam, would you think an alarm clock is a better value than a Rolex wristwatch? It is certainly much heavier and after all, both are used to tell time. Comparing the double O scale and the TT scale seems a bit nonsensical to me.
I'd say yes the alarm clock is much better value - but with Rolex you're paying for the brand. The Hornby name doesn't warrant higher prices over Accurascale in the way Rolex does over other brands. Beginners looking to model just one scale will need to choose which scale to model... hence why I do so many comparisons, so no I don't consider it nonsensical.
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@ nonsensical was a very poor choice of words on my part. I apologize for that. I absolutely love watching your videos. It’s not that I am complaining, just commenting. Keep up the fantastic work, thank you.
The DB red class 66 might appeal to European TT modelers, as DB red class 66s do operate in Continental Europe.
You should definitely take a look at Piko or Tillig TT models to see how well Hornby does TT compared to other TT models out there.
I love that red color Sam, did they have one in a royal blue too?
all 3 of mine have done 2 hours on the 40ft test track. 1 of mine was same price as yours and the other 2 were in the Autumn sale. Caroline.
Happy New Year Sam! Good review, good model, shame about the price! Will this now be the last train for 2025 when the time comes!? 😮😂
Hi Sam, First have a successful and happy 2025 together with your lovely compagnon! If I started as a newbie in model railroading TT would be my choice. But I'll stick with Ho - OO. Compared with EU TT-scale manufacturers like Piko - Roco - Tillig (=Bachmann) the prices scale out very similar for a Co-Co Diesel Loc. And the quality of this Hornby class 66 is outstanding and will add to the popularity of the scale in the UK as is in EU. It gives Hornby a nice open door to the EU market and that's a very positive aspect too. Cheers, Filip
Sorry Tillig is NOT Bachmann. Liliput = Bachmann.
Love how massive it looks, even in a smaller scale.
Do you keep every single model you buy sam? If so your collection must be worth a FORTUNE!
it probably is😲
That's why Sam buys them: he reviews paying and collects keeping.
bear in mind Hornby did have to pay for the original tooling coasts and the costs for the design and development, unlike accurescale who just re-tooled Hattons 66, and realistically with Hornby potentially facing bankruptcy why would the risk braking even with 1000 locos when they can brake even with 700.
I would say we have this engine in Knuckle Yard in Port Talbot, but we have so many members of this class come and go that I can never remember which is which. Except for no. 66148
Seeing how we got the Arnold container wagons badged as Hornby I wonder if Hornby will release Continental liveried versions of this 66 under the Arnold brand.
Yes, if you'll look at the 2025 Arnold catalogue, you'll see that they have a couple of continental 66's.
Hi Sam, every time you do an unboxing on the floor there are always a few boxed locos in the background on your black wheeled unit, im intrigued as to what they are, any chance of a show and tell?
I'm not really into diesels Sam (Sorry), but great review start to the new year.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
I am always leery of new or used locomotive that shows an excessive amount of oil like this one does and I can only come up with three reasons for this. 1: The grease applied at the factory has a too thin viscosity. 2: The quality control inspector #9 #9 #9 had to add oil to the grease due to craw or running issues. 3: The locomotive was stored in a very hot storage area and the oil separated from the grease as a result. At any rate it is a great little locomotive and well deserving of an "A" so excellent review. By the way the three #9's for the inspector was a very obscure subtle hint that the new Beatles stuff is out from Hornby, and I know you will buy one of each piece of dung they produced just for giggles and maybe to get your Pugsley Adams on. I wish Ringo was never affiliated with Thomas the Tank Engine because that is the only train affiliation I can think of that caused this abomination, LMAO. Jersey Bill
What's also possible (and these days quite common) is an overly generous application of lubricant at the factory.
"leery?" 😮 I think you mean "wary".
@@Eric_Hunt194 The meaning of Leery is: cautious or wary due to realistic suspicions. So there, LOL.
The other TT120 66s do have etched nameplates in the accessory bag .you have to watch the pipes underneath they do hit the bogie backs sometimes. Arnold euro versions coming soon in 2025 too.
Great loco otherwise evening star version is my favourite.
I agree with you Evening Star is my favourite 66 that I have. I also have a Dapol O gauge one on preorder with DCC Sound. Can’t wait for it to arrive. Regards from.
Awesome video Sam
Have Hornby actually found a powerful motor? Thats news! Nice to here the quality is also up, maybe I might buy one!
Hi Sam, great review, it annoys me a little that hornby can put lights on a tt locomotive and not bother on so many of their oo locom and units.
very nice how's dose it compare to the hornby OO 66
There's a lot of comments regarding the idiocy of comparing a scale with another. I don't recall Sam comparing an 00 loco with an 0 for example
In your next Thomas and Friends review or running session video, you should put in some kind of tribute to Britt Allcroft (the person who created the Thomas and Friends TV series), she passed away three weeks ago. I'm thinking of making one of my own, too.
What about developing you own range of super detail parts for TT models? Surely they wouldn't take much to 3D print and paint?
Wow - thorough review and clearly a great model. Thanks Sam! I have a lot of N *scale* stuff (boxed up in the garage currently), well before TT. It may not be realistic, but are TT scale couplings etc. compatible with N scale? Would a combination of N and TT look completely ridiculous? If I start a new layout it will be N gauge, as I don't have space for OO/HO. Complicating this is I live in NZ where all rail is narrow gauge, so constructing a completely realistic railway is challenging! I think it might be time you put together a small TT scale diorama, or an extra N gauge track around your layout! Big fan of your videos and reviews :D
SDS in Australia are making some HO scale Queensland, South Australian and Tasmanian model diesels that have the option of TT gauge bogies to get the narrow gauge right. Also provides some space saving with tighter curves and shorter trains not looking so out of place with narrow gauge. Most buyers are opting for the narrow gauge versions.
They seem to have also had enough interest to do a Malaysian version of the diesel option.
Good review Sam a A is a good score for a awesome model , the Highland Rail emblem on the side was actually a sticker on the real loco's ,also a fun fact the last 66 built was named Evening Star like the last steam loco' built for BR and it is in BR lined green .As for the price increase ,not related a three pack of small tins of spag'used to be 99p , now they are 2.50 !!!! so work that out.
Will wait 365 Days when Sam reviews this very model as the last model of the year 2025.
Beautiful Review and I love this Color !
P.S.: Patiently waiting for your Own 3D Printed Detailed Model Reviews !! 👻👻
Nice video and will you be reviewing the new x Hattons accurascale p class
I also like the db livery but I’m looking forward to getting my accurascale 66 oo guage I got my accurascale p800 class today and look forward to your review of yours but tbh I’m blown away
Hello Sam ,what dimensions is the board for your Test Track TT 120 layout.
Thank you.
I don't loathe this livery - on the contrary - but personally I prefer the BR large logo blue, but that's because I'm an old git with fond memories of 47's and 56's in this livery running past my secondary school on the Walsall - Water Orton line back in the late 70's, early 80's. Very practical for clandestine train spotting when I should've been studying Shakespeare in my English Literature class 😂
Bishop Vesey's?
Sam I'd love to see you do some actual modeling! Maybe you could do it on your TT layout since its a lot smaller?
Hey Sam, out of curiosity do you get S gauge in the UK? It’s sort of the half way point between O and HO. The best known manufacturer for it is called American Flyer (nowadays owned by Lionel) but having seen photos, the newer tooled releases look very well detailed. But be warned, if you order Flyer Chief or Lion Chief models, expect budget results in the detail department.
UK S-gauge is very much a scratch-builder's scale. Layouts do occasionally appear in the model press, but there is little or no commercial support out there.
@ oof, yeah I get that. Truth be told, I’m only using it as a bounce pad for a more prototypical On3 gauge. O27 car bodies on S gauge trucks/bogies and track, it really does lend itself to the 3 foot narrow gauge vibe. Unfortunately I’ll have to make my own locomotives if I want something to scale nicer with my o gauge equipment. A 3d printer is definitely on my bucket list. Then comes the reverse boards (O and S gauge are AC in the US and not DC)
Edited to refer to the 3 ft 6 Inch gauge track used that is the most common narrow gauge by track length in the world.
S scale is used extensively in New Zealand but running on HO track to very closely simulate the 3 ft 6 Inch gauge track that is standard for New Zealand.
Some scratch builders and kit assemblers do the same scale and gauge combination when modelling these narrow gauge lines from Queensland and Western Australia as well as railways from Africa.
In Australia commercially produced locomotives and rolling stock are being produced in HO scale to run on TT track to model the most common narrow gauge railway systems in Australia.
@HighballMachineWorks curiously of course flyer had a range of dc locos introduced in the 1947 catalogue, including the big Northern. Locos with universal motors run considerably better on dc, but in model train idiom there's all sorts of other factors that come in to a manufacturers choice
@@johnd8892 So in other words, New Zealand likes having Sn3 because of all the 3 foot equipment.
Brilliant video Sam and a great start to 2025! It's just ironic of how great Hornby's TT 66 is in comparison to their OO Offering, which is absolutely terrible at their price. I would rather pay an extra 70 pounds for Accurascale! Should have done a comparison between the OO Class 66 (Hornby) and their TT offering.
Looks like the double T is similar to N scale here in the states..❤❤😊😊
TT is 1:120, N is 1:160, there is a noticeable difference. TT gauge track is about 14mm, N is 9mm.
Good review! From what I’ve heard/seen, nameplates are included in other TT Class 66 locomotives. I agree about the screws on the body and bogies. Screws can be a pain sometimes, but they’re essential for the model’s longevity. If one of those clips breaks the bogie has to be serviced. Not good.
The only other thing I’d add is that the Class 50 is probably geared higher because of the nature of the locomotive. As an express passenger train, it had to haul coaches for Intercity service. The Class 66 in real life is a slower moving freight locomotive. I think that explains the gearing difference in the models.
I’d be curious to see a review of the upcoming Revolution Class 66 in N Scale. It’s shaping up to be a great model. Reviewing it would give you a unique video/perspective as you could compare OO Accurascale, TT Hornby, and Revolution N. Of course, I understand each model you buy is an investment in your channel and you have to approach things strategically.
Cheers!
Pretty good ratings Sam and fantastic review video ❤❤❤❤❤ 39:42
Videos like this I wish there was an extra "Like" button for every segment.
The first three Arnold versions have been announced and retail on the Continent at the same price as the Hornby. This makes the Class 66 in Continental terms A BUDGET LOCO, more in line with Tillig's prices than the Piko or Roco ranges. Speakers don't seem to be standard in this case across the scale, bearing in mind the Class 66 is also intended as a European model. BTW you can spend Hornby points on Arnold.
One other point on the OO- there is space inside any OO model that is only there because the gauge is too narrow. A model 66 in HO would be comparable for space to put things behind the grilles.
Forgive my ignorance but why is the DB Schenker livery so hated?
There's probably multiple reasons for those that dislike it. For some it's the lack of variations, for some it'll be that it replaced EWS, and for some it'll be simply that it's a "foreign" (German) livery.
@ I see.
I would guess it's because it's so plain. I don't mind it, though. It reminds me of Minnesota Commercial.
@@kyleshape8645 What colour is that livery you speak of? Minnesota Commercial that is.
Suspect a lot of it may come down to the class 60 and 90 fans as well.
This loco is beautifully proportioned and although I am not into this era at all nonetheless I think it's great.
looking forward to running with 20 stone hoppers with stone loads. caroline.
Ass mass is dependant on the cube of the length the difference in scale means that a OO loco should be 3.93 times as heavy, so a 100 gramme TT:120 model is equivalent to a 393 gramme model in OO. The TT:120 Class 66 is in scale terms heavier than the Accurascale.
200 grammes of Class 66 equates to 786 grammes in OO.
Maybe for your next 3d print project try a gcr robinson c5 atlantic?
What are you doing ??? Comparing TT with 00 ??? Why not use an N gauge, surly a closer comparison !!!!
No one cares about N gauge, and don’t call me surly 😂
Because I don't have an N gauge class 66, and OO is far more popular than N so people are much more familiar with it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hornby/Arnold made class 66s are a great alternative to only one single UMFs class 66 in Freighliner PL livery which costs for sound and assembled over a 1000 quid (there kits are a lot cheaper the same class 66 cost less than 100 pounds in analog version)
Is this a separate design from the Arnold continental range or a rebranding
The Arnold in this case is a Hornby rebranding. But bear in mind, they are both Hornby on paper
If I hadn't made the investment in OO, I would prefer TT even at even price, because of how much layout I could get into the same place.
Can you do Sam’s Trains Express next week Monday, PLEASE.
We need some reviews of Piko and LGB G scale.
Evening Star 66779, does have etched nameplates !!!
Diesel locomotive BR 132 of the DR, Era IV | Roco #36420 Gauge TT - 213 grams
You can’t compare costs of different scale locos. The only difference is material costs. Research and development costs are the same. Also Accurascale didn’t do that for the OO version, they just paid a one off price which would have been a fraction they would have had to pay to design and build from scratch. So, is the class 66 in TT a well built, well detailed model? Yes it is. Is it value for money? Can you build one in that detail, that high finish for that price? Of course you can’t. So that makes it honestly a good value high detailed model
Is that speaker space adequate?
Yes it is. The speaker that comes with the Hornby HMDCC decoder drops right in, as does an ESU "sugar cube".
I think Hornby should sell off their OO scale stuff and focus on TT; their new stuff in this scale really shines, and it shows in the score Sam gives it in this review video. Their OO scale stuff sometimes is great and sometimes stinks (again, according to past reviews.) Also, the sell-off of their OO-scale IP (Intellectual Property) could help them through rough financial times until they can get more TT-scale production going. 😊
So this is new the last train of the year is going to be TT nice
Can you do bachmann talyllyn
I can just about enjoy my OO Accurascale 66 without putting my specs on. No chance with this😂
So cool video dude
I like TT but I am wary of going down that rabbit hole. My oo collection costs me an arm and a leg and very soon a kidney. The 66 is great and looks the part.
Do it….sell your OO and get a railway in correct gauge Scale ratio, and more in the same space