400W Chinese Ebay Latern Vertical Wind Turbine Performance
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2018
- In short, do not buy! My unit did not produce even 5 watts during the week I had it up, and there were 40-60 MPH wind gusts during this time. Specs state the rated wind speed is 144w m/s...26 mph. This is where it should output 400 watts.
The primary problem is highlighted in the photo of the motor...I believe the magnets are simply not strong enoufh for one. In any case, it is not a quality build, but then what do you expect for $200? At least half the rated power output I'd say.
Your microphone picked up more wind than your turbine.
Classic
Lmaoo
Maybe the microphone should be connected to the charge controller?
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Electrician here.
so many flaws in this video. from incorrect equipment for the test, incorrect testing methods, improper use of the equipment. His tests gave bad results because they were done poorly and incorrectly.
not trying to defend the turbine manufacturer
1. Your turbine cannot output more then the load. if you are using a 100ma motor you will not see anymore output then that.
2. blocked rotor test will increase amperage and lower voltage. ALWAYS but will still not pull more then the BR rating of that motor. on a motor that size I wouldn't expect much. especially since you can stop in by hand.
3. you cannot zero out a meter for DC when the wire is in it. whatever you calibrate. whatever is running through it at the time will be zero. If you have 5DCA running through your meter when you zero it out it will calibrate 5DCA to 0. You can zero out AC with the wire in.
4. its hard to tell from the video but it also looks like you are measuring the amperage on the output of the charge controller. but running your tests off your DIY rectifier from the AC side, which is not inline with where you are evening metering for amperage. This would explain why your amp meter reduced when you blocked the rotor. because the volt drop is effecting the other load.
I am only 2 minutes in.
skipped to the end. "WIRING IS NOT THE ISSUE" , your testing method is.
Unrelated question since you're a sparky: Is it possible to wire the circuit for the wind turbines in any way such that if 1 isn't spinning and the rest are, you'll still get some output?
no capacitors , 1A diodes, thin wires ....
no matter of measuring theory +-20%, it is not laboratory, but he just proved that is not good product. 300W will burn the board all wires.. but nothing, buy the same you will see he is right
Biggest lol is the size of his wires lol, they can't carry 2amp without melting.
@@MrRetiJunior the fast answer is YES
Most of the guys doing these home how to videos about electricity don't know the difference between voltage, current, and power. This one doesn't look to be any different.
Thanks for the video, Its greatto see peoples attempts at self power. That 'Generator" you have there is actually a three speed ceiling fan motor. they are good for turning fans on ceilings and not much else.
Well said, exactly.
No wonder it didn't produce any meaningful power! Thanks!
Not that you should haft to but hack and put magnet's in .
Stronger one's
I bought this junk a year ago, I see a lot of comments about watts and amps but nobody talks about voltage, we understand that to charge a 12 volt battery bank the wind turbine should produce at least 13 volts and more at the regulator output, to have a voltage of 13 to 14.5 VOLT on the voltmeter, the rotor had to rotate 3 rotations per second , which means a windstorm of 70 miles an hour and more that could potentially tear off the blades of the wind turbine.
If this video had been produced before I ordered my wind turbine it is clear that I would not have bought it... with or without wind through the producer's explanations, good job.
Excuse my poor english it's a google translation.
Actually the guy that posted seems like decent fellow but don’t know how electricklicity works. I don’t know if you were fortunate or not.
I just want 40-50Wh/hour as a slight hedge after dark or when the sun don’t shine but the reviews on these things are terrible. Whether people think they work or not most of them don’t know how to test ‘em anyway and that’s so confusing.
So my take is, the audio kinda matches the quality of the turbine?
Ok guys, I purchased one of these to do my own testing last week, the same issues mentioned in this video exist in the one I purchased, it simply wont put out 24 volts and the blade design caused fowling resulting in the turbine falling short of enough RPM, factory stats are all bullshit! The strengthening ribs cast into the plastic blades prevent the wind air pressure from escaping easily which then causes the fowling. The alternator has the same thin wiring and would only produce around an amp when spun up to a speed where 24 volts was produced. The other issue is the clearance between the rotor and stator, it's simply too large and they did it I assume to prevent cogging for low wind start up, what it actually does is cause a weak magnetic field as each magnet passes a pole. The solution is to instead fit neodymium magnets which will greatly increase the output, more gauss = more electrical output. I will try this and lets hope it fixes the problem as the factory magnets are too weak for the job, failing that, rewinding with heavier windings is next! Don't get me wrong, they are a pretty looking turbine and look like they would more than do the job, but what your actually buying is a spinning decoration, nothing more unless you mod it to work better!
Rob Hull - If you do any mods... please report your results!
THIS comment should be at the top of the stack!!
Ian L - Agree! Maybe with some collective brainstorming... we can get it to actually produce!
It's just a general bad design, large wind turbines don't use tri-blade setup to look cool, they do it for maximum efficiency.
It's freaken Chinese dude! What the hell did you expect? Duh!
This fellow is throwing out a load of electical jargon and he doesn't actually know what he's talking about.
You actually could hear what he was saying??
It’s working, where are your videos to show us the one way?
Can confirm. so many things wrong with this video. Source - Am electrician.
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I am using 6 diodes to rectify the AC into DC. LOL
It's wired in Delta, so it requires a Gale force winds to see any power.Just all PMA or PMG are pour poducers. Axial Flux is a real producer, when built correctly! Thanks for sharing 😃
TheBillytheJack2010 yep be nice to see more people axial flux wind turbines flooding RUclips with videos showing output.
I like what he says its just a piece of junk , if I had a dollar for every time I heard that, we all live and learn .
closertothetruth more people are becoming more aware of the big lie!!
Hey!!! im looking at off grid solutions right now for an urban new build would love to know more about "axial flux wind turbines" and why this is important? :) keen to learn
Hi Ian , you can reconfigure the motor phases to a star configuration , this way you will have much higher currents.Check delta start conversion .
@@bobyhack i thought delta gave more power...
What goes to the star point ?
Thank you.
I'm interested in such things
i have that same pure sine wave inverter charger,and it been on steady for a year ,cycling 4 120 AMP HR 12 volt. it is out in my camper and it is 15F out there right now. it is awesome,super clean power, for the lowest price, but,is a 3rd of the rated watts.
Well, thanks for the video. It convinced me to go another direction.
lol, the fool guide the ignorants, lovely
I did some calculations and found 18 watts theoretical maximum at 12 m/s but not 400. This comes i.e. because the relative windspeed of the 2 working blades is smaller than the outer windspeed and the relative windspeed of the parasitic blades (=loss) is bigger than the outer windspeed. But windspeed-power is rel. windspeed^3 ! Thus the catched power will be eaten up at bigger RPM.
Look into the POE coil. You can make your own, see how that can power it up. If the dynamo could and magnets aren't strong enough, you can add some to the outside and make your own.
The manufacture gave me one of these for testing and the most I got was 21 Watts in 32 MPH winds by putting it under a heavy load.
Not enough surface area and the blades are DRAG type. Only LIFT type blades work to some degree.
Change your blades to a Darrieus type BLADE and she could finally make about 150 Watts. That is what I did to make my unit like yours finally work. 5' diameter at 6' high / en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrieus_wind_turbine
Did you succeed? We are interested in getting our junk to work...
From what other users of this turbine have said, it works well. It also comes in 3rd on the best wind turbines of its class. Think I'll buy one and try it out anyway.
Yeah, right, sure it does.
Did you watch/listen to this vid before deciding to post it? Why?
Did you use a NO-WELD mounting Flange to mount your Chinese lantern wind turbine to a pole? Do you know where I can get a flange that would fit a pole?
a dc motor under locked rotor condition will draw the maximum amperage available to it, since at that point it is a dead short, so everytime you grab the motor the amperage should climb not fall, since it did not climb I am wondering if you are testing it at the correct place on the circuit. What is the ac voltage coming off of it?
The turbine has an autobrake to keep it from overpowering itself when the wind speed is really high.
Run +/- leads to the battery connections on an 18v cordless drill.
Mount those blades on a shaft,and chuck shaft into drill head.
Mount drill on pole(head pointing up).
Connect +/- leads to charge controller.
This easily will produce approximately 14.4v@5amps in the winds you are showing.
I've rewound a few alternators for home built wind turbines and the windings in this alternator are too fine, you will get voltage but low amperage, it needs heavier windings to produce higher amperage. I'd say this turbine is only designed to trickle charge a battery over many hours with its charge controller only preventing over charging of your battery, this unit is more likely to be 400 watts per hour, but these Chinese sellers won't tell you that little detail! Maybe take it to a rewinding place and get them to up the gauge of the wire? An expert in rewinding alternators will give you advice on how to improve it.
Rob Hull watts per hour... dude. Thats Wh. And that is what it performs over an hour. And that means 400w. Dude...
LordGryllwotth man...the electric company bills you for kilowatt hours. 1 kilowatt hour = usage of 1 kw for 1 hr...or any equivalent, say usage of 2 kilowatts for 30 mins etc. Same with watt hours.
You get 400 Watts running it for 7 days maybe
You need to put a capacitor on the output DC voltage to measure DC.
You need a windgard on your microphone as I can't hear a word you are saying
i replaced the generator section with a lg direct drive motor with few winding mods here n there 24 volt and between 5 to 7 amps ,think ill have to get 2nd one up there
Have you ever heard of voltage drop ?
Do you know what cause its ????
what kind of AC converter did you use? is it built in the motor?
Cool video, thnxs for sharing this information.
Excellent work
Can this turbines run an a.c electric poshomill?
You have to remember to divide the wattage spec by 1000 to get actual watts. Chinese watts are much bigger than ours.
they definitely don't know the difference between watts and watt hours... or maybe they do and hope we don't...
a home made turbine using stepper motor produces REAL power!
Es bueno o es malo? Quiero comprar uno.. gracias
What brand Is this turbine or who sells it on eBay?
Hey, is your turbine still working?
If your batterys are fully charged the regulator wont put out as much, I like to test wind jammer with my solar panels turned off and batteries are wanting a charge?
busterjazmin This is a good point. Fact remains I can kill output voltage by seizing the little motor, means it isn't putting out anything regardless.
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No. Electricity doesn’t run like water. It doesn’t spray out when you choke your little motor. The pixies need something to run around, in, or on.
I thank you, a good man
Dude I gave up at 15 seconds when Mike don't mix
Oh you will generate power, I can hear it clearly
BTW you can filter out winds sound with any audio editor software easy
The wires you have going to the diodes is way to small 20ga or so will only handle a few amps at best but yes these don't put out much but do it right before you do a review.
can't hear much. wind sock?
The noise is very good, recommend TYPMAR wind turbine！
Thank you man. I'll be back..
This place where you are looks like dreamland for everyone 😂 God bless America 👌
The DC motor will only draw a minimal current, as the internal resistance of the motor is going to be small. Current flow is dependent not only on the voltage level but also the internal resistance of your load. Try hooking it up to the 12V batteries you have when they are not fully charged and you will see a big difference in the current flowing.
I agree, maybe something more than 1 amp test leads might help also.
The fact that the stalled motor drops the volts actually suggests the wire is even more to blame.
0:39 couldn't have said it better myself!
Thanks for the fantastic review. . . I own a house off the grid and was looking for a Turbine. . .When I saw this review, It solidified what my suspicions were on these Chinese Turbines. Eventhough you may have used some wrong terminology, you did a fantastic job with showing your meters and small motor hookups.
I immediately knew exactly what you were talking about. I did a little research on these turbines, and these turbines are NOT producing 600 watts instantaneously. But I read an article that said they put out 600 watts over a certain length of time. . .like a week. This coincides with what your review is showing. . .600 watts over a time period. 600 watts over a day is only about 24 watts a hour on a 24 volt system.
Wind is the absolute worse alternative energy you can use. Solar is your best bet. Much cheaper. I use 1200 watts to power my 1400 square foot house in the mountains, and that runs a 50 inch TV, blenders, lights, water pump, and other equipment.
Good job. . .Keep up the good work.
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@@carolinereynolds2534 do you have a email address
@@woodenclocks6531 yes my email :daisy@wxflyt.com
The generators used in this type of turbines are made to spin at approx. 2000 rounds/s + to generate specified power output. Which is impossible. Same as you would put a car alternator in the turbine, will do some power but not even close to specified as they are made to turn even at 5000 rpm. Try putting on a different generator, permanent magnet generators are made to work under low rpm. I'm guessing you'd be happier with the results that these type of generators work in your conditions. But i might be wrong.
How much it cost in INDIA Hyderabad.
What does stopping the motor have to do with it generating power or not? Can someone explain the theory to me here???
Stalling the motor with my hand results in the motor drawing more current in an attempt to continue rotating. Completely stalled the motor is drawing about 200 milliamps or so. When the current draw on the turbine increases, the voltage tends to decrease. If you were to short the turbine, the voltage would go to zero, because P =IV, power = current * voltage. Increase current draw, voltage must drop for a given power generation capacity.
Still not sure what that is supposed to show us. If you short the load, you should have no voltage, therefore no power. It is doing exactly what it supposed to do when you stall it...
It's showing you that the voltage drops significantly if you put even a 200 ma load on the turbine...meaning it is hardly producing anything. That's it! Plain and simple. Just a visual demonstration. Now connect that same motor across a car battery and it'd start your car absolutely no problem with the motor stalled. The car battery has 900 cold cranking amps or so. 0.2 amps is a drop in the bucket. If the turbine was producing 30 amps like it was rated to, that would also be a drop in the bucket and the voltage would not decrease observably. If you truly short the load voltage will approach zero but never get there...after all even a small length of wire has a resistance. But yes you remind me....that simple equation doesn't quite say it all. These things do have a power curve...there is a current draw such that power is maximized...this is what MPPT solar controllers do (I have a $600 unit).
1) the wind turbine charge controller in your truck had one of the three AC 3 phase electric cables to be connected to your turbine is not connected to anything (green wire). 2) when your batteries are full and no load (larger than a 6w motor) is not being used the charge controller issues a break in voltage to save your batteries. It will only produce what you use. Put an actual load on and test again.
I do not see here any Professional Converter.? But any way in Poland we have 3..5 K.W.vertical turbins for 1800 Euro. From Hipar.
With only 30 mA output you don't need a 500 dollar controller
How much is the total cost?
I could be wrong, but you zeroed the meter under load... In order to get a good measurement, you would have had to zero the meter while under no load conditions then measure amps.
bob bellanca obviously I did a significant amount of testing before and after this video. I did zero it on the controller wire once, but if you noticed the voltage on the meter was 9v. 9v does not charge a 12v volt battery bank, hence no electricity was flowing into the system, and hence any zero would not have affected future measurement. Short of tha matter was if this thing worked we'd see at least 5 amps...like the 20+ the solar bank was outputting.
Bob you are exactly right! He zeroed the multimeter under load. Doing that would show any current load measured by the meter, as zero.
It this turbine even hooked to a load other than the little dc motor? No load, no power.....
Opie91 it was connected to a rectifier and to my battery bank...
did this wind turbine delivery more power them all these panels installed o top of your van?
Cool video
All that’s needed to test the wattage of the turbine, is to short out the 12volt output wires and see the amperage output.
apparently owning one and knowing how to install and test one, are 2 very different things
400W. doesn't mean 400 watts.
The W in Chinese means Wa Wa Wa but was shortened to W..
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What can you charge on a 0.1amps?
i had the same shit with a 6 blade '600 watt' regular turbine. With chinese stuff, specifications are generally unachieved, be that inverters, 18650 batteries etc esp if 'cheap'
Where can we buy that turbine???
I intend using the 400W Windturbine to mock my voles.
I'm shooting for the 600 Watt.
How much it's cost?
Parabéns meu amigo
Thanks. Consuming as much information regarding the topic. 👍
Your killing me with that audio!!!!! Just do a voice over in a quiet environment!!
Wow! You are commanding not requesting? Who the heck are you?
@@abuxxx3607 Ummm an Emmy award editor.....thanks
@@rty1955 nice! keep on dreaming but do not forget to do it while sleeping.
@@abuxxx3607 cant Handlle the truth i guess
Is it a induction motor? Get a cealing fan make inverse engenering and voila. You will get a decent amperage
are you sure you wired it up correctly??
if you have the diodes hooked up wrong its Blocking basically all your power(thats what its supposed to do ) to prevent power from the battery going back into your panels/wind turbine
i would disconnect all the stuff you have ,... and rebuild your system and use thicker gauge wires ;)
those tiny wires are NOT going to send power to your charger any time soon (too much power loss )
Trace&Tracey Elliot guys...these are not configured as blocking diodes but as a 3 phase rectifier. The turbine simply doesn't produce significant power.
Molto interessante lo consiglio per te che hai in Texas molto vento, sto valutando pure io di comprare lo stesso modello per ridurre i costi di energia elettrica, in Italia molto costose
Had one the same that did not work..
Where did you buy this unit from?
An eBay seller, there are many, many listings for this product. Buyer beware!
Cant hear a word you said! Is it any good?
Jarno Saarinen Nope. Don't buy.
I feel, the generator can make 100W at 600~800rpm, but, vertical turbine can not make such high speed, just 100~300rpm is the practical maximum, and the 100W 200rpm generator cost is around $600, include the high speed blade will be around $1000. The diameter of generator is 320mm. at weight is 14~20kg. can generate max 2000W when running at 400~500rpm. but, if installed on vertical turbine, can generate around 100~150W (in max)
Wow. Cliff Calvin over here.
I thought these start producing at 14 mph winds.
It might if it had proper generator parts that were worth a damn vs "scam" generator parts from china
can you mute the wind sound and dub over the video is hard to listing to this.
what did he say?
long time no see, how are your carnivorous plants?
Hi Molhedim I don't have any at the moment but an sitting outside Splinter bog in Alabama with the S. leucophylla and friends! Probably more in the future!
The wiring is all far too thin. It will never pass any current it will just dump the current as heat. I've had a few windchargers, so thought I would have a look at this video before I get one of these. Maybe I'll give this make a miss.👍
With that kind of wind i would install a real good 5 blades horizontal wind generator that produces up to 800 Watt.
Suggestion, put some foam over your mic to reduce wind noise.
Cara ,isso é top!
Na real é péssimo brother. Ele tá mostrando no vídeo que essa parada não gera porra nenhuma. Tava afim de pegar uma, ainda bem que vi vídeos como esse antes
Super thanks for sharing
wish could get the rotor separate though
Where can I buy in india 👍
Salers send me power/wind speed curve for that turbine, and they have maximum for 11-14 mps an if more - power is reduced
Look at this new Wind Technology, Its here NOW @vTak
Still a pretty design... I would like to see a video with a air funnel on it :D
I'm from the Panhandle as well
WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE WIND NOISE!
Plot twist the wind runs the show 😂
I have get my money back and did not have to send the unit back
It's good for aneometer :)
Borut Lesjak me as well. Yes, that is a good application for it!!
Nice decoration only
Can't hear, the first part
The one thing nobody has comment on is “ do you make video and upload it without reviewing,if you did review it prior to then you must be on drugs if you think it was good enough mate .i shake my head
Dude there's a cheap chinese turbine on eBay 100watts that does much better than this there's a video on RUclips showing how amazing it works. Keep up the good work!!
pe hgt - Oh yeah... really? Great... how about providing us a link so we can test what you say is true!!!
How surprising, a Chinese product that didn't perform as advertised.
My bet is it's just not hooked up correctly. His Diode set up is wrong or something. The power drops because your effectly shorting out the source stopping the motor. Get a proper Three Phase Diode block . Short out any two of your leads to each other. If the PMA does not Slow down BREAK, it's defective and not producing.
Agreed pos.... Im gonna try converting a car alternator to run instead of this .. Use these blades and parts with a cars alternator. I may have to gear it up to spin fast enough...
Your better bet, if you can get your hands on one, is a treadmill motor. But you usually have to take the treadmill too