I have a theory, it might be dumb, but what if the movies following Kong’s perspective are more goofy and fun because Kong’s world is far more alive, while the movies following Godzilla’s perspective are darker and less goofy, since Godzilla has just been in endless battles his whole life. Kind of random, but if this next movie is following Godzilla, we’re probably gonna see more terror and all.
@@DangerVille I would like to meet you. On the next video, do a collaboration with Dante Dotson. A video collab with Dante would get loads of viewers. The Godzilla Fandom is good with people like you, Dante, Godzilla Guy, Monster Island Buddies, Goji Center, and others.
Hey, what do you think about humans being the villains this time and the tians giving off that feeling of god and divine beings while the humans represent a cruel and evil side they would be the demons and tyrants, I don't know, it's an idea that fascinates me a lot
I Think Godzilla 2014 was a straight up masterpiece. the fear and atmosphere was so real and i think if it didn't get the backlash it received, the monsterverse would have gone a very different path. i still am a huge mega fan but i do miss the scale the first godzilla and kong movies had.
Ngl. I think its the fan base that is the problem. Didnt literatly EVERYONE complain about how we barely saw godzilla in 2014 and how it sucked? They chnaged cuz we demanded more monster fights. In king of the monsters we still complained that it sucked to se them fight from human view. They did everything that people requested. We still complain, also dont say you didnt hate, it was everywhere.
Personally, 2014 is one of my least favorite in the franchise. I hated the human cast and was bored to tears for the monster parts. Now everyone keeps claiming that they had weight, but what really was happening was the monsters moved at a pace that a glacier would complain about. Plus, it had the most boring adversaries ever.
@@ianskarborg2262 speak for the others, I've always liked this film since the moment I laid eyes on it, and I always found the hate on it very pathetic.
They felt like they could exist for real. These last two flicks I think were made to help boost the monsterverse more which it did so I am happy for that but they aren't my favs. I loved 2014 and KOTM if we can get more realistic versions that be great.
The perfect monsterverse movie would be a combination of all of them: Godzilla 2014: Titans weight and Scale/Size Skull island: monster/human dynamic Godzilla 2019: The score and world building and the best trailer out of all 6 movies(2014 is a close second) GvK: straight to the action GxK: scenes of just Titans with no dialogue
@@beth1271 King of the monsters trailer was so majestic and beautiful. Definitely the best. 2014 had that dred like holy shit it’s actually Godzilla meanwhile GvK was chitty chitty bang bang, blood rushing trailer 🔥
KoTM's trailers were awful. They were cool, yes, but they spoiled the entire movie and marketing begun over a year before release. Do not bring that back
@@nanuqo2006 the only thing they spoiled was burning Godzilla. You’re right about everything else but I was mainly talking about how beautiful the trailer was in showing the monsters
I love the Monsterverse but I would love to see the Monsterverse return to a darker more serious tone. I love lore also because I want to know the why, how and where.
Thanks for not just using the *_"JUST TURN IT INTO MINUS ONE"_* criticism that mainstream critics are spreading everywhere. I adored Godzilla Minus One as much as everyone else, but I don't think *_EVERY_* Godzilla film *_HAS_* to be another Minus One just to be good. Maybe if they find the right balance of the grit from 2014 to KOTM and the action from GvK and GxK, I think we could have a Godzilla film that generally makes audiences happy they saw it.
KOTM is the perfect balance. What ruined it is the cutaways of monster action (which GvK and GxK never did)and the stupid jokes. But lore wise, I have never had goosebump to a godzilla movie until KOTM. I like the idea of them protrait as Old gods or titans in the eyes of men. Where Gvk and Gxk throw it away for the sake of showa-era esque. I love showa but leave showa stuff only for showa. We need something we don’t have which is 2014 and KOTM which balance the lore and the idea of what if titans are real.
I think the monsterverse biggest problem that even when it did give lore it would be full of reckons, contradictions and inconsistencies we need a group to just sit down and come up with an actual timeline
Also focusing it on marketing and appealing to children. I was 8 years old when Godzilla 2014 came out, and honestly it kinda was one of those movies that made me realize how movies can be more than just brainless entertainment. That and Pacific Rim, the old MCU, and much more. Personally the best kinds of “kids content” is content that anyone can watch and enjoy and have lessons that anyone can and should learn, especially children.
I think that is more because we do not have a load yet that is aware of the canon and things from the story, for example, in other universes there is a load that focuses on seeing the story, etc.
@@John_The_Fourth I learned that with the franchise in general Each Godzilla movie even if it doesn't seem like it, it has messages or metaphors, it just needs to pay more attention and that's it For example, when I'm watching various movies For example, I realized that the franchise represents the arrogance of human beings or they point out the mistakes of humanity like the nuclear bomb and Hiroshima and pollution, capitalism, consumerism evil politics and human credulity, etc.
2014-2019 was peak Monsterverse, I miss the atmospheric cinematography of 2014 and Skull Island, I love the Godzilla and Kong duology, but I miss the tone and feel of the movies pre-GvK. I just hope the next movie isn't another Team-up movie.
I agree 100%, for me, the Monsterverse from 2014 to 2019 is simply sensational, I agree with every word you said, especially with the way the movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters treats the titans, with each Titan being represented with a specific color (something that the movie Kong: Skull Island also kind of does, by representing the Skullcrawlers with the color green on the screen); and portraying practically all of them as Gods/religious figures, with all the imposing and grandiosity, making you shiver with their emergence, and seeing that they really move against the resistance of the wind, and at the same time, managing to balance the ultra realism with the most fantastical part, I hope that the new director Grant Sputore can do a job like that.
The way we went from Directly in the timeline, like 2014 happened in 2014, 5 years later what happened in 2019 happened in 2019…then the big jump to 2024 when we were in 2021 and went on a course of “Sci-Fi” realism, just didn’t fit right with me, and with new MV movies coming out the timeline keeps jumping, by the next film we will be in the 2030’s with sci - fi advanced tech. For me the grounded feeling of 2014,2019 is what we really need moving forward into the future of the MV.
I really do hope we get more world building. We haven’t seen much massive world building since KOTM. KOTM has its issues, but I think it’s undeniable that the world building was amazing and that the kaijus felt like gods. I wanna see more things about Muto Prime and Dagon, or the Titan War, or what happened in Washington DC when King Ghidorah and Rodan attacked. the city was literally flooded in hundreds of feet of water to the point where ships could go across the city. I wanna see the repercussions from that. I wanna see those “natural disasters we don’t even have names for” that Admiral Stenz mentioned in KOTM. There’s also like 17 titans in total on the surface and we’ve only seen a handful of them
I want a Godzilla only film next. Two GxK is enough for me. Let Kong have his own separate movie continuing on his new empire, if they want to. The big finale though should definitely be with Godzilla.
Personally I think that the finale should be both of them collaborating to take on one of the BIG Toho villains (Destoroyah, SpaceGoji, hell maybe even Monster X or Keizer Ghidorah) but that’s just my opinion.
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"The future of the Monsterverse is *looking* bright and in a good position to continue" - Legendary's president This just ticks me off. It's always been in a good position, they just didn't have the guts to set up a solid plan post GvK.
My biggest issue with the New Empire is that Skar King and his "army" was less of a challenge than Ghidorah. Even Mechaghidorah aka Mechagodzilla had both of our Kaiju protagonists struggling. Just like DBZ the threats should get more intense so the monster protagonist have a challenge each film.
No. That's the opposite of what should happen. If you keep doing that, you end up with DBS. Do you even know how stupid that sounds. There's a thing called power crept, and honestly, the MV has already passed that line with GxK. You'll end up with nonsensical forms, weak stories, shallow characters, lack of stakes, etc. They need to rather take things much more slowly and rather put focus on the kaijus outside of fighting another kaiju and give them a reason to attack humanity because as it stands, there's no stake for humanity AT ALL with all these good benevolent kaijus.
Also, the challenges of Mechagodzilla waa also partly due to the fact that they had two rounds with each other just minutes/hours before that, so neither Kong, nor Godzilla were in top shape
@@malekat8539You can also intensify the villains through making them a more existential threat to the heroes. The Showa era had a few kaiju that required Godzilla to figure out different approaches to achieve victory and some solely through human intervention via scientific achievements. Destoroyah alone was such a counter to Godzilla’s power, he technically didn’t even beat it. Wingard made the mistake by having Skar and Shimo just get punched out to victory. In my opinion, it would have worked better if Skar did have the ability to manipulate minds and exploits Kong’s vulnerabilities in various forms. At the same time, have had a better written story to make Kong face challenging decisions between wanting to participate in his new found family’s war for survival or fall back into solitude. As well if Shimo had the ability to deflect Godzilla’s beams, requiring a more thought out plan of attack between Godzilla, Kong, and Mothra. Utilizing their unique strengths and capabilities to take down this supposed Mother of Titans. Requiring Godzilla to come to terms on accepting Kong as an ally through their actions and building more development between them. Having the villains just get beamed or punched out is boring unless there continues to be more creative actions taking place. Which in my opinion, is what the Monsterverse needs, and having the intensity of those villains reach further challenging and emotional heights would give the Titans better development as characters.
We need the Super-Species and Titans to become scary, disturbing, terrifying, dark and mysterious again, and deploy absolute impact of terror on the human race or something. You're probably thinking/saying "(But) we don't need the MV to become the next Godzilla minus one" type comment. Bear with me Godzilla has worked in just about any theme/style you can think of with the character depending on the storytelling a director is giving and that goes towards out too Kong since nothing has ever been done with Kong until the mv.
My main issues with the monsterverse is completely ignoring the events from the comics, and as Godzilla guy said not showing these ancient battles. I also can’t stand when they are disregarding human characters, there is not one human character that is in more than two movies. Another thing is don’t have every movie be a world ending movie, have a few movies in between and have those movies change something in the world and have a massive world ending event every once in awhile.
What I miss the most is the fear, awestruck, silence, and jaw-dropping moments whenever Godzilla and Kong appeared. The airport is an example. Godzilla appears and the screaming people go silent followed by the eerie music and screaming begins once Godzilla gives the cue by roaring Same in skull island where the military see Kong everyone is panicking, asking question, or silent in shock at seeing something out of a bygone era or seeing something that shouldn’t exist. GVK first trailer had that in this moment before Godzilla tackles the ship Kong was on before the rest of the trailer's music play music Godziloa and Kong truly had this godlike presence but in gvk or gxk it just feels like: oh it's Godzilla and Kong. You know the drill people. run and don't look back no eerie music either as well i want that back as now the two iconic monsters are just treated as giant monsters than the godlike beings that made everyone feel like they are in the presence of gods or force of nature
Possible proposals- -Bring on the mechs, create TOHO's G-Force, create Pacific Rim's Jeagers to contain the titans to work with Godzilla. -Reimagine the Myths The tone of the original 2014, let the Kaiju be the embodiment of forces of nature. Their battles created storms, shook mountains, destroyed civilizations. -Science is magic Discovering the unknown is an analogy, as much as "the unknown" can be mimicked, when conditions create contradictions, it's "ok" to say "i don't know what to do." Not saying don't give up, but too many characters are too knowledgeable, too competent, the answer for the humans is too easy if their only answer is "monster smash" after they intentionally destroyed an ecosystem, created a monster, or let a monster loose without care for the consequences.
As much as I adored GxK, I completely agree, I hope that GxK III will have dark scenes and more worldbuilding. But it’s also best to not compare minus one to GxK, Don’t feed the Minus One Glazers.
I don't know. I'm glad the New Empire answered a lot of the questions that Godzilla vs. Kong left open (like why Godzilla was so angry at Kong in particular), but you're right that they could've done better by making it a more tense movie with more of Godzilla's perspective on what actually went down in the form of flashbacks. Skar King makes perfect sense to me, though. He's just a tyrant who wants what he can't have, and that's the surface world. I didn't really feel like he needed some deep backstory about how humans from the surface world hunted down his mother or something stupid like that.
@@malekat8539 An antagonist is supposed to aid in the protagonist's story arc, and I just didn't feel like Skar King needed to be deep for Kong's story arc of finding his people only to be shunned and attacked by them to play out. Scar from the Lion King, on the other, hand, needed some level of depth to play his part as the dark mirror to Simba, who was himself selfishly ambitious at the start. That's just my thoughts on the matter, though.
In my opinion it’s the Kong effect. Like in the old showa era after King Kong vs Godzilla in 1962 the Godzilla franchise went into full out goofy. And it’s happening again with the monster verse! And it for some reason happens right after we get a Godzilla vs Kong movie!💀
@@BattleInfiltrator The only irony is that you're blaming the fictional character who has in the past shown to have dark movies like king kong 2005 insted of blaming the director who is a godzilla fanboy for taking a more fun direction.
All I want is a Godzilla story without dialogues but with musics similar to James Newton Howard, John William, Alan Silvestri, Kan Sawada, Naoki Sato, Neal Acree’s Warlords of Draenor and Michiru Oshima style.
I too miss the old Monsterverse era. 2014, Skull Island, and King of the Monsters are my favorites of the franchise because there was so much meticulous care put in to make this series feel real. The characters had real motivations, the worldbuilding was clever and captivating, and the tones and styles of each film made them feel that much special. But now, the Monsterverse has devolved into simple action films with little to no clean worldbuilding, heavy-hitting substance, and the feel that the characters and monsters are real. None of the big events from previous movies have had any impact on the world that these characters live in, and to me that is more unrealistic than a giant hollow world underneath our earth. Franchises like the early MCU hit hard because each film had impact on the next and created events that effected the world and the characters. This sort of duality is something that the Monsterverse has lost, and I really miss that.
See that's kinda the problem with the MCU: it became too much to keep track of because each movie had to have an impact. And I like the earlier movies too, but you're seriously overselling how well-planned they were.
For me Gareth Edwards has made the best movie out of the saga, it was cool to see how the titans effected the world around them. And the lore from King of the Monsters was great, but I think the hollow earth distracted from all the titans on the surface. It was good seeing the grounded aspect of a Godzilla movie. King of the monsters was the limit I could take towards the technology aspect. GvK really lost me with the technology, but Mecha-G was cool though.
Something I have noticed over time: fans will almost *always* put far more thought and depth into their theories about a franchise than the official lore runs. People writing media simply don't think like fanatics, because they want accessibility for everyone.
4:52 I have to disagree, I love that the skar king really is just a tyrant everybody is afraid of. Also there is alot of space for theorys In my opinion
@@the_only_lonelyhe’s boring. He has no motivation. There are evil people. Pure evil people that are exist because of their environment. However that doesn’t make them sympathetic. Take Joffrey from game of thrones (if you know what that is)
My personal opinion: Two possible answers to these problems are that 1: Legendary isn't willing to shell out a large amount of money to design the rest of the unseen KOTM titans, provide flashbacks to these unseen conflicts, bringing back more classic Toho kaijus and musical cues, etc in fear if another KOTM underperformance (despite the 2019 summer season being crowded as hell). In other words, they don't want to take a risk and spend more than what's required. And 2: Even though we fans come out to see it in droves, the Monsterverse is mostly drawing in the casual audience who just want to see a fun, yet flawed action flick that won't make them think (also despite there being underlying themes, mostly from the titans' POV). Unfortunately, despite things like the 1954 original and Minus One proving otherwise, the Monsterverse is slowly falling into the same cliché umbrella that other monster movies seem to be in, i.e. underwhelming human characters (for the most part), and death not being taken seriously. With that being said, one possible solution to this is that if they can't tell the full story of these past conflicts and events in the actual movies, they can at least tell them through a comic miniseries in the vain of "Skull Island: Birth of Kong" or publish a Monsterverse Encyclopedia book which includes an official timeline with the events of the movies, graphic novels, and TV shows and fully fledged and detailed Monarch Profiles on the Titans and Superspecies we have seen thus far. I guarantee that people will be willing to buy it if they put their blood, sweat, and tears into it.
Regarding" Godzilla: KOTM"'s box office underperformance.... First and foremost thing to remember is, it was up against unprecedented competition at the box office, namely a brand new Elton John biopic, "Rocket Man" and primarily,.. Disney's "Aladdin" whose domestic and International box office legs stretched well into KOTM's run in theatres. The previous MonsterVerse entries, "Godzilla 2014" and "Kong: Skull Island" didn't have to race against a four quadrant film like that overrated Will Smith / Guy Ritchie vehicle. Even with the Chinese market (apparently, well in hand), the Disney flick cratered Legendary's projections of receipts there. The KOTM theatrical run that began May 13th there and May 31st here, was over far sooner than the studio expected it to be. Miscalculating on the popular appeal of "Aladdin", was *the* big mistake Legendary / Warner Bros made when they chose the release date for KOTM, regardless of the pre-release viral and saturation ad marketing campaigns they did for it.
I hope the next monsterverse film will be a much more grounded Godzilla focused film kinda like 2014 but with more Godzilla screen time with a little bit of a kong skull island tone to it
godzilla fans when monsterverse films are grounded with lots of human screen time:😡 godzilla fans when legendary listens and makes it more about the monsters:😡
I agree, we need more fear. Like I was thinking one way they could make Shimo feel more threatening is if they actually show humans getting affected. Or in a future scene where they show a family doing something all happy and stuff and the son would get picked up by a Kaiju and just eat a child and some of it's corpse or blood (not a Rated R amount) would drop on the ground in front of the mother. Something like that would be just jaw dropping. I like how you make it so that they don't just copy Minus One. I think they should still keep it fun and awesome and some of those elements, but like you said there needs to be at least some cruel moments or a real impacting thing.
I really feel like godzilla has been given a backseat to the franchise he has started. We really need a godzilla focused movie were kong isn't even in it or has a minor roll
My problem with gvk and gxk is that it never felt like like there was any stakes, I think this happened with gxk bc 95% of the Kaiju action was in the hollow earth so it never really felt like it mattered. I feel like it would’ve been better if shimo beat both kong AND goji in the hollow earth, this would’ve proved them to be a *very* real threat. gvk did this bettter, but I wished they fleshed out mecha better, he should’ve been revealed earlier. However I do love the writing of the actual titans in the recent monsterverse, Skar King feels like a proper tyrant(kinda like the indom) Kong feels like he has proper motives and goals, albeit simple ones, goji for the first time in a WHILE feels like he really cares about the surface world enough to LITERALLY EVOLVE and become stronger. Shimo is just kinda.. there, and whilst I do wish we got more backstory about her or hope we get more backstory later in the monsterverse.
Toho DOES gatekeep the Godzillaverse. One of the stipulations Legendary had to agree to was for Toho to install a proofreader to go over the scripts and thus prevent something like Zilla '98 from happening again.
I love how we are getting les humans more Kaiju Since for almost all of the movies humans just feel like they are just there to expand the run time and say 1 or 2 lines but they take up like 25 minutes for each line
Considering 2014 was complained about for “too many humans and not enough kaiju fights” and then 2019 came and the same fans said “too many Kaiju fights and not enough humans”
@Tabi-Kun That was the casual fanbase whining, unfortunately. Now that MV has taken this approach, people are admiring the tone, mystery, and atmosphere of G2014, Kong: Skull Island, etc
I totally agree with everything. I think there should be a movie where instead of ancient writing on walls show the actual monster battles/wars. Like all the godzilla's and all the kong's species going to war. Or seeing other monster rivalries or a movie that shows how ghidorah came to earth. And I would like to see more classic monsters too.
Next movie we could genuinely explore the Galaxy back in the day the farthest it looked like it would go is something like the place we saw Godzilla healing after his fight with KG but now we are giving a Giant Ape a Robotic arm with instant frostbite healing and obviously the Hollow Earth I like the new Monsterverse but I think it is getting way to crazy
What made KOTM work so well in my view was that Michael Dougherty was a genuine fan of the source material. It felt like a film that reminded the modern world of everything that already made Godzilla great, and tying it all together fittingly and cohesively, while still taking everything seriously. But on top of that, there were new things he added to the lore and wanted expanded upon like Godzilla's temple, the Shobijin, and Jonah Allen and his terrorist group. Some old, some new, all cool, and leaving fans wanting more. Did we ever get any of that? Only barely, unfortunately. In a perfect world, Michael Dougherty could have been the Kevin Feige of the Monsterverse and dictating how all future films would work together to create something much more comprehensive and entertaining.
I think that if we combined 2014’s writing, Skull Island’s characters, KOTM’s Music and atmosphere, GvK’s action, and Gxk’s monster characterization; we would get a masterpiece
I wanna see evolved go from pink to blue again (i do believe it could be done well as long as its not explained like “erm he just slept for a while and lost all of his execs radiation☝️☝️”)
Now for the general crowd, people like to follow along a story, so far we've gotten individual ones with more monsters appearing, but not a set and stone main people for us to follow along all these films. This is just one aspect, but there are others such as getting invested emotionally for the characters and the monsters with more thrill, intensity and relatable. I don't want to say this all leads to serious flicks to be the ones that last longer and get remembered, but in some aspects of a mature feeling one can help while not sacrificing absurdities. From Godzilla guy's take,, I also agree with having a smooth consistent slate, mentions and flashbacks from characters which lands back in borrowing serious aspects other movies do well. We've seen it with Deadpool & Wolverine, while different, the format of both the goofy and touching moments gets mixed with fun.
I think the balance of human and monster characters was best achieved in Kong: Skull Island by getting us to connect to the humans who respected Kong and despise those who wanted him dead, and the MonsterVerse could stand to re-learn those lessons. We need a level of suspense and emotional impact again. Not everything needs to be giant destruction spectacle, life or death scenarios in tight conditions can work even better. As much as Godzilla is considered an invincible guardian of life on Earth, future MV films need to craft a new ongoing human protagonist to root for and villains who don't feel so cartoonish.
Thankfully Legendary let the creative teams for each movie or series spread their wings and do things their way, so it's a manner of time before we have a good idea of what Grant Sputore has to offer this time.
I think it would be great if they did a Google earth type thing like what jurassic world dominion had and for it to have kaiju sightings, hidden lore that the fans need to find and SPACE TO MAKE THEORIES
I do enjoy the monster verse however I do agree with the criticism at 6:27. I really think the big issue is with the changing of many writers and directors and most writers they bring on are not familiar with the ip which would be one thing. Another thing I would like to bring up is with all the RUclips channels that discuss monster verse whether it be lore or what have you how much influence does it have on the writers and directors.
12:14 I 1000% agree on this one, I too love the monsters being treated as characters, but I also missed how Godlike they were represented as, like in Michael Dougherty's 2019 Godzilla Kotm, for me, the movie made Godzilla and the titans feel like gods, goddesses, animal deities, Demons and beast of religion. which is why despite what critics and some fans say, I still like Godzilla Kotm
honestly, my only problem i had wich gxk is the hype up just to lead to nothing.... they could have made evolved the strongerst form of godzilla yet like it was stated in the ad but NOPE. as it is now we struggle to know if Shimo was really the strongerst threath we ever seen (AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN) but instead saying "yes, Shimo was the strongerst threath" Legendary is not wanting to give us an answer. Basiccly the hype from the ads are not backed up, and thath makes me feel like i have been lied
The tree creature eating the pilot truly upset my child. Not because it was scary, but because he felt sorry for him. That's a true emotion felt toward someone who just died. We need more of that in these films; scenes that illicit real emotion other than excitement.
I’m enjoying pretty much everything thats been comming out the show was awesome the movies have been great. They are taking their time and I respect that.
Perspectives are perspectives man, I ain't complaining. If we support the people behind the MV then we could potentially dive into the sea of phenomenallity.
I feel like some more substance to the style would help. Keeping plenty of focus on the monsters is nice but I think showing how to plot effects the cast would do a lot of good at showing how these events carry weight.
I miss when the monsterverse was grounded and dramatic. I’m sick and tired of the mindless newer films that fans defend way too much. Is it too hard for these filmmakers to make something of value? I don’t give a shit if older Godzilla films were like this. We deserve better
@strikerfc-gv7pc No, it will never get to what YOU think is better. If I'm satisfied I have no reason to ask for something else. Also let's not pretend the 2014 movie wasn't made just to get money.
The fans of this franchise is like a Godzilla, we sleep, rest and move on when things are not happening. But when something big is going to happen, we rise from depths for the sea. Monsterverse will be gone but we will never forget because our inner childhood is screaming.
I'm glad you finally said it, the Monsterverse needs to go back to its roots. Godzilla 2014, KOTM and Skull Island will are still the best the monsterverse has ever been abd GxK was a big step back.
@strikerfc-gv7pc I can relate, every single time I try to tell people that GxK was'nt even that good and that the monsverse needs a clear direction like literrally any other movie universe they say I don't like "Fun" Thanks, I,ll check out the video.
They should do a prequel where it was Ghidorah, who the Kong species into the hollow earth with the help of the Skull crawlers and the Mutos. Didn’t have what’s left of Godzilla species, along with Shimo, come in and handle them. It would explain how king ghidorah was frozen, how the mutos were almost whiped out, and the beef between kong species and the skull crawlers. There are so many avenues you can go with this.
they need a prequel about the titan war, about how godzillas species thrived and how the kongs and godzillas found each other and started a war, and seeing skar king in his prime.
Interesting take, as I also prefer the first two Monsterverse entries, because they were so grounded. Some would include GKOTM, but I think that is when "throwing everything including the kitchen sink" began, by showcasing the three classic Toho monsters all at the same time, without much build up for any of them (expect for Ghidrah). I would have loved to have seen a great solo Rodan movie, before GKOTM, but they probably thought it would not make much money, so screw that idea. The last two G/K movies have made money and fans have enjoyed them, so one would assume that Legendary will stick to this formula. But with a new director and David Callaham coming back to write, who knows what they will have in store.
This. This is the real mindset of us as fans… we can’t be happy about anything. 2014, “too much humans and not enough kaiju” 2019 “too much Kaiju and not enough humans” 2021 “too much and too little of both” 2024 “too much kaiju fights and goofiness”
Not so much that as keep more fights but fix the vibe. The scale needs recontextualizing and they need to SLOW DOWN. Fast Goji is fine for hollow earth since gravity is wacky there but he needs HEFT on the surface
Honestly I disagree the monsterverse lore is pretty solid, even the comics get their fair share as tianamet appears in gxk and it seems to be implied the survivors in skull island (anime) that the kracken kills are the monarch crew lost in birth of kong, also don’t understand what the other guy was saying about the dorsals, of course it was the muto prime that caused the dorsal change
Sorry, but I think at this point getting more "mysterious" would turn away people. Most people criticized the 2014 movie exactly because it felt too indulgent. Dougherty himself said it: if you pull out something like Ghidorah you can't really go back to a grounded tone. The only thing I really agree with is that we need higher stakes.
It'll probably turn away some of the casual fans (unless written subliminally), so yeah, I get that, But you can still be grounded even with the introduction of MZ, so I don't see the issue there. If anything, KOTM was between GxK/GvK and G2014/K: SI, so it had that perfect blend. If I'm not mistaken, people were mainly complaining with the seriously dark contrast all the time, coupled with the lack of screen time for a Godzilla centric film. I'm not sure if being "indulgent" played the significant role of reviews. I could be wrong though about that.
@strikerfc-gv7pc Ghidorah and grounded don't belong in the same sentence. You would have to change him too much to make him truly realistic, KOTM was as close as you could get. Also just because it isn't grounded doesn't mean it's dumb.
@matteomastrodomenico1231 I do just want to chime in and say that you can have fantastical elements and still have a grounded tone to the film. It's how it's executed, which is important
I completely agree with your take. Bringing a sense of fear, not knowing if someone is about to meet their maker at any moment, is what keeps me (and others I'd wager) on the edge of their seats. That's why Peter Jackson's King Kong and Kong: Skull Island are my two personal favorites. The suspense just makes for a much more enjoyable experience in my opinion. But if they were to continue doing this, it's likely to come with the drawback of putting much more of a focus on the human characters. Otherwise the audience won't care about said characters.
WWE fights are still entertaining, but I feel the new movies have lost it's mysterious grip. There is no impact in the fights or deaths and we have no emotions other than big monsters fight which is fun, but it isn't the same as atleast having more effort put into human emotion or bigger stakes.
@@Anonymous00506 Well it’s hard for me to say it’s a good movie or it’s a bad movie. It has a lot of good and a lot of bad in it, like some of the Monster fights, Kong’s side of the story, the visuals were all great, but yes, the plot, Godzilla’s side of the story, and the lacking feel in some aspects make it both a good and bad movie imo
16:09 "WE DONT NEED OVER THE TOP KAIJU ACTION BRAWL" we need a damn good movie thats worthy of a 20 years later anniversary re-release "THAT ALSO HAS A LOT OF BADASS KAIJU FIGHT SCENES IN IT" come on we need that... are you okay? Legendary is contradicting itself? How about you? Pls dont delete this
In the next Monsterverse movie Not only that I don't want Godzilla to die but I would like a reference or a return of the infamous Halo jump from Godzilla 2014
Many have said that the MV should go with a heisei tone, and while that is a good idea, the MV should not just copy that mix of campy and serious. There should be a 60% serious tone and 40% campy tone, with most of the campy being during comedy and fights, while the plots should return to 2014/KOTM tones. I love the recent MV films, but we should be returning to the more serious tone, especially if the next film is a Godzilla solo film. Anyways, great video Dangervile+ Godzilla Guy!
I think your right about continuity. That's important too. Let's not fall into other traps that other franchises have fallen into. Those traps have destroyed other franchises recently. Please keep good monsterverse content coming.
Here's the thing tho. I personally much prefer the new movies, especially GxK, because of the more developed personalities of the Titans and the much less involvement of the humans. I think the perfect blend would be the og vibes, with these two new aspects.
Ya know, there is a WEALTH of untapped potential to explore an ancient conflict with Godzilla that explains the destruction and disappearance of Atlantis and Lemuria, and why human civilization seems to have been reset around 12,000 years ago. We could see advanced ancient civilizations, including the one that worshipped Godzilla, with complete creative freedom. It would showcase the Titans as gods, once again, and remind us that they are literal walking calamities that reshape the very face of the earth with their conflicts...
I think the Monsterverse will progressively get better with there stories and monsters. Thank goodness that it’s not becoming like Marvel, StarWars, or DC
I feel like titans should be more of what they are, smart, emotional and still god like, they should make Godzilla more like Kong in a certain way, the trouble of his past and actually tragic
In my opinion, Monsterverse needs the tension that it once had. We as fans want to feel threatened but also at the same time excited when we see a new kaiju villain. Make it a little bit more thriller/horror vibe. Add a little bit of scariness. It misses the mystery and depth it once had. But im almost sure that at the end everything will be fine and Monsterverse will shine once again!
My personal take away with this is If we're supposedly in the "Showa Era" of the Monsterverse, I think they should quickly crackdown on making the "Heisei Era" for the Monsterverse seeing how even though the Showa Era movies are considered legendary, what people kind of forget is that for a majority of the Showa Era, by I wanna say after Destroy All Monsters, is that Toho was basically bleeding money for a good chunk of the 70s until the 80s where they realized "Maybe we should take Godzilla seriously again" which led to the Heisei Era starting, which even though some entries are polarizing, the Heisei Era as a whole was generally well received.
Well, who knows Grant Sputore is planning. Considering how his last movie ”Mother” (Propably his only one so far) had a very serious and effect driven story, it might be what the Monster verse is gonna get
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 You clearly didn't read the comment properly. He's talking about the trend that the current MV is heading, which is similar to what happened during the Showa Era. It's always a good thing to acknowledge and apply the events in history to now as the saying goes: "History always repeats itself." (or something along those lines).
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 And now that I think about it, you didn't watch the video as well because this is literally explained in the video that current MV has garnered more casual fans at the expense of the hard-core fans, which brings seats, but they don't stay invested afterwards.
Three hours of Godzilla and a few close friends( Anguirus) kicking Kaiju/Titan butt with just enough human story to keep it going. Throw in some aliens. Threaten the planet. Keep it scary. Keep us on the edge of our seats. No Mothra, No Kong.
I feel like the Monsterverse has the same issues that the newer DC movies had. You open with a dark, serious movie like Godzilla(2014) or Man of Steel, only for the franchise to become a wanna-be clone of the MCU that practically erases all traces of the dark, immersive tone that the first movies had. I feel like that desperate desire to copy Marvel’s tone is what ultimately relegates all these other franchises to obscurity. They mistakingly believe that forced humor, constant Easter eggs, after credit scenes and over-the-top action sequences are the ticket to success because it worked for marvel. But that simply isn’t always the case. Godzilla(2014) and Man of Steel resonated with me because they were so different from the other cinematic fare of the time. Now it seems like their franchises just want to copy others.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 Some fans, not all of them. Honestly, I consider myself a diehard Godzilla fan, but the divisiveness regarding the Monsterverse has shown just how toxic some Godzilla fans can be. For instance, I’ve been accused of not being a “real Godzilla fan” and cussed out in comment sections because I don’t like the current state of the Monsterverse. Apparently admitting that you hate Kotm is enough to be thrown to the keyboard dogs. And I stand by my opinions; to this day, I hate kotm because I think it’s a messy, un-immersive, badly written movie that relies way too heavily on fanservice, nostalgia bait and Easter Eggs. It’s the beginning of the Monsterverse’s descent into the MCU with Kaiju. With that said, however, I would never belittle or degrade someone for loving kotm and beyond. Godzilla is a very diverse franchise with tons of incarnations and ideas. Not liking one or another doesn’t keep anyone from being a “real Godzilla fan.”
2014: Has ten minutes of Godzilla Fans: “This is boring! I hate it!” Minus One: Has ten minutes of Godzilla Fans: “This is a cinematic masterpiece from the heavens above!!! Goji be praised!!!” The fans hating on 2014 always dumbfounded me since that movie has a lot in common with tons of toho godzilla movies, at least when it comes to structure. For one structure example, Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla vs Destoroyah gave the movie’s villain more screen time than Godzilla himself, just like the Mutos in 2014. Some fans like to complain about this, but all three of these movies introduce a completely new, original Kaiju that needs fleshed out and hyped up all in one movie. In that light, it makes sense for Orga, Destoroyah and the Mutos to have more screen time than Godzilla in their movies. *Also, I love Minus One. I’m just making a point, so don’t accuse me of disliking it in the comments.
The biggest difference between -1 and 14 is the human cast. I actually cared about the cast in -1, a first since the og film. 14 on the other hand, I flat out hated the boring human cast. I like them more than the anime trilogy, but that's not saying much.
Except that godzilla in the 2014 film was constantly being teased throughout the whole film until mainly the final act of the film while the whole movie is mostly about boring forgettable human characters trying to stop the mutos
I agree with this wholeheartedly.But here’s something no one talks about:Ghidorah’s backstory.Yes, he threw hands with Godzilla in the past.Yes, he got frozen by Shimo.But why did he come to earth?Where did he come from?How did he become so powerful?Why is he evil? For the MUTOS we at least got some backstory on them, a parasite that Godzilla has to get rid of.But why is Ghidorah so adamant on taking over the world?We know nothing of Ghidorah before he came to earth.We just know that he isn’t from here and he hates Godzilla.Personally,I think we need just about Ghidorah before he came to earth.Because we know nothing of that.
This is exactly how I feel lol!! The lore is to shallow now and the movie is all about a wwe and goofy focus instead of some more intriguing lore and what if they are real and worshipped as gods.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 but it is lesser compared before.. if you think of it. I love showa but a showa 2.0 is not we need now. We need something new.
Thinking about your take, it made me reflect on which scenes have stuck with me most from the series aside from the Kaiju fights. For me, that would be Serizawa's final moments in the lair, because that sense of "awe and wonder" was back in an emotional moment between Godzilla and one buman who believed in him. The other was, on a very different tone, Godzilla attacking Pensacola to start GvK. Because (although it didnt last) there was a mystery as to why Godzilla was so angry and it felt sudden and devastating. I'd like a little more of that; either more moments of awe or, as you suggested, more mystery and impact.
I think the Monsterverse going Showa is whats really hurting it, I wish it goes back to the tone of Godzilla 2014, were the only think you have to stretch your mind on is that theres giant monsters. No showa, no high tech vehicle crap.
I dont think so Monarch legacy of monsters proved that, the only thing I had to stretch my mind is the hollow earth amd giant monsters and there was almost no high tech vehicles. @@matteomastrodomenico1231
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I have a theory, it might be dumb, but what if the movies following Kong’s perspective are more goofy and fun because Kong’s world is far more alive, while the movies following Godzilla’s perspective are darker and less goofy, since Godzilla has just been in endless battles his whole life. Kind of random, but if this next movie is following Godzilla, we’re probably gonna see more terror and all.
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Hey, what do you think about humans being the villains this time and the tians giving off that feeling of god and divine beings while the humans represent
a cruel and evil side
they would be the demons and tyrants, I don't know, it's an idea that fascinates me a lot
I Think Godzilla 2014 was a straight up masterpiece. the fear and atmosphere was so real and i think if it didn't get the backlash it received, the monsterverse would have gone a very different path. i still am a huge mega fan but i do miss the scale the first godzilla and kong movies had.
Ngl. I think its the fan base that is the problem. Didnt literatly EVERYONE complain about how we barely saw godzilla in 2014 and how it sucked? They chnaged cuz we demanded more monster fights. In king of the monsters we still complained that it sucked to se them fight from human view. They did everything that people requested. We still complain, also dont say you didnt hate, it was everywhere.
Personally, 2014 is one of my least favorite in the franchise. I hated the human cast and was bored to tears for the monster parts. Now everyone keeps claiming that they had weight, but what really was happening was the monsters moved at a pace that a glacier would complain about. Plus, it had the most boring adversaries ever.
@@ianskarborg2262 speak for the others, I've always liked this film since the moment I laid eyes on it, and I always found the hate on it very pathetic.
@@ianskarborg2262exacly, peaple seems to just hate on everything that's new
They felt like they could exist for real. These last two flicks I think were made to help boost the monsterverse more which it did so I am happy for that but they aren't my favs. I loved 2014 and KOTM if we can get more realistic versions that be great.
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The perfect monsterverse movie would be a combination of all of them:
Godzilla 2014: Titans weight and Scale/Size
Skull island: monster/human dynamic
Godzilla 2019: The score and world building and the best trailer out of all 6 movies(2014 is a close second)
GvK: straight to the action
GxK: scenes of just Titans with no dialogue
I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who says king of the monsters had the best trailers
We need more action scenes with no music.
@@beth1271 King of the monsters trailer was so majestic and beautiful. Definitely the best. 2014 had that dred like holy shit it’s actually Godzilla meanwhile GvK was chitty chitty bang bang, blood rushing trailer 🔥
KoTM's trailers were awful. They were cool, yes, but they spoiled the entire movie and marketing begun over a year before release. Do not bring that back
@@nanuqo2006 the only thing they spoiled was burning Godzilla. You’re right about everything else but I was mainly talking about how beautiful the trailer was in showing the monsters
I love the Monsterverse but I would love to see the Monsterverse return to a darker more serious tone. I love lore also because I want to know the why, how and where.
Thanks for not just using the *_"JUST TURN IT INTO MINUS ONE"_* criticism that mainstream critics are spreading everywhere. I adored Godzilla Minus One as much as everyone else, but I don't think *_EVERY_* Godzilla film *_HAS_* to be another Minus One just to be good. Maybe if they find the right balance of the grit from 2014 to KOTM and the action from GvK and GxK, I think we could have a Godzilla film that generally makes audiences happy they saw it.
Yeah, because what Minus One and the MV are going for are VERY DIFFERENT.
I agree.
KOTM is the perfect balance. What ruined it is the cutaways of monster action (which GvK and GxK never did)and the stupid jokes. But lore wise, I have never had goosebump to a godzilla movie until KOTM. I like the idea of them protrait as Old gods or titans in the eyes of men. Where Gvk and Gxk throw it away for the sake of showa-era esque. I love showa but leave showa stuff only for showa. We need something we don’t have which is 2014 and KOTM which balance the lore and the idea of what if titans are real.
@@MrWaSpY-Trn Lies , GXK and GVK were going for something different.
@@saintpepsi4884 preach
I think the monsterverse biggest problem that even when it did give lore it would be full of reckons, contradictions and inconsistencies we need a group to just sit down and come up with an actual timeline
Shinomura is still softly cannon to the mv just a heads up after learning from a subreddit.
Also focusing it on marketing and appealing to children. I was 8 years old when Godzilla 2014 came out, and honestly it kinda was one of those movies that made me realize how movies can be more than just brainless entertainment.
That and Pacific Rim, the old MCU, and much more. Personally the best kinds of “kids content” is content that anyone can watch and enjoy and have lessons that anyone can and should learn, especially children.
@@John_The_FourthTo do that you don't need a serious movie though.
I think that is more because we do not have a load yet that is aware of the canon and things from the story, for example, in other universes there is a load that focuses on seeing the story, etc.
@@John_The_Fourth I learned that with the franchise in general
Each Godzilla movie
even if it doesn't seem like it, it has messages or metaphors, it just needs
to pay more attention and that's it
For example, when I'm watching various movies
For example, I realized that the franchise represents
the arrogance of human beings
or they point out the mistakes of humanity
like the nuclear bomb and
Hiroshima and pollution, capitalism, consumerism
evil politics and human credulity, etc.
2014-2019 was peak Monsterverse, I miss the atmospheric cinematography of 2014 and Skull Island, I love the Godzilla and Kong duology, but I miss the tone and feel of the movies pre-GvK. I just hope the next movie isn't another Team-up movie.
@strikerfc-gv7pc Maybe because they disagree? Maybe it's not an objective statement that it would be better?
Ever thought about it?
I agree 100%, for me, the Monsterverse from 2014 to 2019 is simply sensational, I agree with every word you said, especially with the way the movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters treats the titans, with each Titan being represented with a specific color (something that the movie Kong: Skull Island also kind of does, by representing the Skullcrawlers with the color green on the screen); and portraying practically all of them as Gods/religious figures, with all the imposing and grandiosity, making you shiver with their emergence, and seeing that they really move against the resistance of the wind, and at the same time, managing to balance the ultra realism with the most fantastical part, I hope that the new director Grant Sputore can do a job like that.
A horror MonsterVerse movie would do numbers.
Thats why I liked Minus one
Heck even a found footage Monsterverse movie would be good
The way we went from Directly in the timeline, like 2014 happened in 2014, 5 years later what happened in 2019 happened in 2019…then the big jump to 2024 when we were in 2021 and went on a course of “Sci-Fi” realism, just didn’t fit right with me, and with new MV movies coming out the timeline keeps jumping, by the next film we will be in the 2030’s with sci - fi advanced tech.
For me the grounded feeling of 2014,2019 is what we really need moving forward into the future of the MV.
Well said!
How do you do that without ignoring the last 2 movies' advancements though?
@@matteomastrodomenico1231that’s the thing, it’s hard to say how or even if it’s a good idea
Honestly, Jacob nailed it on the head. The Monsterverse needs that "edge" you know that certain something to make it memorable, emotional, and etc.
I really do hope we get more world building. We haven’t seen much massive world building since KOTM. KOTM has its issues, but I think it’s undeniable that the world building was amazing and that the kaijus felt like gods. I wanna see more things about Muto Prime and Dagon, or the Titan War, or what happened in Washington DC when King Ghidorah and Rodan attacked. the city was literally flooded in hundreds of feet of water to the point where ships could go across the city. I wanna see the repercussions from that. I wanna see those “natural disasters we don’t even have names for” that Admiral Stenz mentioned in KOTM. There’s also like 17 titans in total on the surface and we’ve only seen a handful of them
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I want a Godzilla only film next. Two GxK is enough for me. Let Kong have his own separate movie continuing on his new empire, if they want to. The big finale though should definitely be with Godzilla.
YES PLEASE
Kong's cool and all but Goji is the King :D
Personally I think that the finale should be both of them collaborating to take on one of the BIG Toho villains (Destoroyah, SpaceGoji, hell maybe even Monster X or Keizer Ghidorah) but that’s just my opinion.
The finale should be with both characters not one
They need to branch off now. Have Godzilla do his thing, and Kong do his thing. That be better. maybe one year have godzilla flick in next be kong.
@@AH-64EApacheGuardianHelicopter you do know that Godzilla came after king Kong
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"The future of the Monsterverse is *looking* bright and in a good position to continue" - Legendary's president
This just ticks me off. It's always been in a good position, they just didn't have the guts to set up a solid plan post GvK.
My biggest issue with the New Empire is that Skar King and his "army" was less of a challenge than Ghidorah. Even Mechaghidorah aka Mechagodzilla had both of our Kaiju protagonists struggling. Just like DBZ the threats should get more intense so the monster protagonist have a challenge each film.
No. That's the opposite of what should happen. If you keep doing that, you end up with DBS.
Do you even know how stupid that sounds. There's a thing called power crept, and honestly, the MV has already passed that line with GxK. You'll end up with nonsensical forms, weak stories, shallow characters, lack of stakes, etc.
They need to rather take things much more slowly and rather put focus on the kaijus outside of fighting another kaiju and give them a reason to attack humanity because as it stands, there's no stake for humanity AT ALL with all these good benevolent kaijus.
Also, the challenges of Mechagodzilla waa also partly due to the fact that they had two rounds with each other just minutes/hours before that, so neither Kong, nor Godzilla were in top shape
@@malekat8539You can also intensify the villains through making them a more existential threat to the heroes. The Showa era had a few kaiju that required Godzilla to figure out different approaches to achieve victory and some solely through human intervention via scientific achievements. Destoroyah alone was such a counter to Godzilla’s power, he technically didn’t even beat it. Wingard made the mistake by having Skar and Shimo just get punched out to victory. In my opinion, it would have worked better if Skar did have the ability to manipulate minds and exploits Kong’s vulnerabilities in various forms. At the same time, have had a better written story to make Kong face challenging decisions between wanting to participate in his new found family’s war for survival or fall back into solitude. As well if Shimo had the ability to deflect Godzilla’s beams, requiring a more thought out plan of attack between Godzilla, Kong, and Mothra. Utilizing their unique strengths and capabilities to take down this supposed Mother of Titans. Requiring Godzilla to come to terms on accepting Kong as an ally through their actions and building more development between them. Having the villains just get beamed or punched out is boring unless there continues to be more creative actions taking place. Which in my opinion, is what the Monsterverse needs, and having the intensity of those villains reach further challenging and emotional heights would give the Titans better development as characters.
Yea, we need more trauma again. Good for business.
We need the Super-Species and Titans to become scary, disturbing, terrifying, dark and mysterious again, and deploy absolute impact of terror on the human race or something. You're probably thinking/saying "(But) we don't need the MV to become the next Godzilla minus one" type comment. Bear with me Godzilla has worked in just about any theme/style you can think of with the character depending on the storytelling a director is giving and that goes towards out too Kong since nothing has ever been done with Kong until the mv.
and we needed more of KOTM's type of weight
My main issues with the monsterverse is completely ignoring the events from the comics, and as Godzilla guy said not showing these ancient battles. I also can’t stand when they are disregarding human characters, there is not one human character that is in more than two movies. Another thing is don’t have every movie be a world ending movie, have a few movies in between and have those movies change something in the world and have a massive world ending event every once in awhile.
1: They did show tiamat from the comics which can imply that they might start intergrading the comics into the movies
2; Kinda what GvK had
None of the comics should be canon; the only exception should be Aftershock which should've been a movie.
@@economiccrisis9267 What makes you think they shouldn't be canon?
And none of the humans are even mildly interesting characters past KOTM
I Missed The Monsterverse Era Of Godzilla 2014 Kong Skull Island And Godzilla King Of The Monsters
Same
The peak
King of the monsters is what started this screw up. Especially in terms of tone.
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I like to see those 3 movies as a trilogy before the Windgard era
What I miss the most is the fear, awestruck, silence, and jaw-dropping moments whenever Godzilla and Kong appeared. The airport is an example. Godzilla appears and the screaming people go silent followed by the eerie music and screaming begins once Godzilla gives the cue by roaring
Same in skull island where the military see Kong everyone is panicking, asking question, or silent in shock at seeing something out of a bygone era or seeing something that shouldn’t exist.
GVK first trailer had that in this moment before Godzilla tackles the ship Kong was on before the rest of the trailer's music play music
Godziloa and Kong truly had this godlike presence but in gvk or gxk it just feels like: oh it's Godzilla and Kong. You know the drill people. run and don't look back
no eerie music either as well
i want that back as now the two iconic monsters are just treated as giant monsters than the godlike beings that made everyone feel like they are in the presence of gods or force of nature
I mean, it's pretty hard to keep that feel if you put more focus on them.
Notice that those moments you mentioned are pretty much teases.
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@@matteomastrodomenico1231 good job
KOTM is still the most underrated Godzilla movie. Best aging film for the monsterverse.
It's trash
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Even though I like KOTM, I would say that it's pretty overrated. Godzilla 2014 is better.
KoTM is the most overrated film in the Monsterverse actually.
@@economiccrisis9267 may i ask why
G14-kotm era was awesome and had great world building
Agreed.
Possible proposals-
-Bring on the mechs,
create TOHO's G-Force, create Pacific Rim's Jeagers to contain the titans to work with Godzilla.
-Reimagine the Myths
The tone of the original 2014, let the Kaiju be the embodiment of forces of nature. Their battles created storms, shook mountains, destroyed civilizations.
-Science is magic
Discovering the unknown is an analogy, as much as "the unknown" can be mimicked, when conditions create contradictions, it's "ok" to say "i don't know what to do." Not saying don't give up, but too many characters are too knowledgeable, too competent, the answer for the humans is too easy if their only answer is "monster smash" after they intentionally destroyed an ecosystem, created a monster, or let a monster loose without care for the consequences.
As much as I adored GxK, I completely agree, I hope that GxK III will have dark scenes and more worldbuilding. But it’s also best to not compare minus one to GxK, Don’t feed the Minus One Glazers.
Nah, fuel the flames!
I don't know. I'm glad the New Empire answered a lot of the questions that Godzilla vs. Kong left open (like why Godzilla was so angry at Kong in particular), but you're right that they could've done better by making it a more tense movie with more of Godzilla's perspective on what actually went down in the form of flashbacks. Skar King makes perfect sense to me, though. He's just a tyrant who wants what he can't have, and that's the surface world. I didn't really feel like he needed some deep backstory about how humans from the surface world hunted down his mother or something stupid like that.
He should've been what Scar (from Lion King) was. This felt shallow and hollow (no pun intended)
@@malekat8539 An antagonist is supposed to aid in the protagonist's story arc, and I just didn't feel like Skar King needed to be deep for Kong's story arc of finding his people only to be shunned and attacked by them to play out. Scar from the Lion King, on the other, hand, needed some level of depth to play his part as the dark mirror to Simba, who was himself selfishly ambitious at the start. That's just my thoughts on the matter, though.
In my opinion it’s the Kong effect. Like in the old showa era after King Kong vs Godzilla in 1962 the Godzilla franchise went into full out goofy. And it’s happening again with the monster verse! And it for some reason happens right after we get a Godzilla vs Kong movie!💀
And the funny/ironic thing is that Kong is more “realistic” than Godzilla yet these Kong focused movies are campier/less grounded
I can't believe you're blaming kong for this if you want to blame someone it has to be adam wingar
Honestly it’s mostly Adam’s fault.
King Kong, as a series, is mostly serious.
@@BattleInfiltrator The only irony
is that you're blaming the fictional character who has in the past shown to have dark movies like king kong 2005 insted of blaming the director who is a godzilla fanboy for taking a more fun direction.
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All I want is a Godzilla story without dialogues but with musics similar to James Newton Howard, John William, Alan Silvestri, Kan Sawada, Naoki Sato, Neal Acree’s Warlords of Draenor and Michiru Oshima style.
I too miss the old Monsterverse era. 2014, Skull Island, and King of the Monsters are my favorites of the franchise because there was so much meticulous care put in to make this series feel real. The characters had real motivations, the worldbuilding was clever and captivating, and the tones and styles of each film made them feel that much special. But now, the Monsterverse has devolved into simple action films with little to no clean worldbuilding, heavy-hitting substance, and the feel that the characters and monsters are real. None of the big events from previous movies have had any impact on the world that these characters live in, and to me that is more unrealistic than a giant hollow world underneath our earth. Franchises like the early MCU hit hard because each film had impact on the next and created events that effected the world and the characters. This sort of duality is something that the Monsterverse has lost, and I really miss that.
See that's kinda the problem with the MCU: it became too much to keep track of because each movie had to have an impact.
And I like the earlier movies too, but you're seriously overselling how well-planned they were.
KOTM was the beginning of it being trash
Dude, KoTM was the beginning of the Monsterverse spiral into goofiness.
I remember tha marketing for Godzilla KOTM being pretty wild and being really hyped for the film.
KoTM marketing spoiled the movie. Who thought it was a good idea to put burning Godzilla in the trailer?
For me Gareth Edwards has made the best movie out of the saga, it was cool to see how the titans effected the world around them. And the lore from King of the Monsters was great, but I think the hollow earth distracted from all the titans on the surface. It was good seeing the grounded aspect of a Godzilla movie. King of the monsters was the limit I could take towards the technology aspect. GvK really lost me with the technology, but Mecha-G was cool though.
I love Godzilla 2014 it’s my favorite movie of all time
We need a live action movie based on Godzilla the series
May God hear your words
Yes we need a Movie to continue it
We got an animated series based on the live action movie
I would love flashbacks in the MV!!
I will NEVER lose my LOVE for the Monsterverse! It is NOT stale at all! I will consume anything they give me!!!
Something I have noticed over time: fans will almost *always* put far more thought and depth into their theories about a franchise than the official lore runs. People writing media simply don't think like fanatics, because they want accessibility for everyone.
4:52 I have to disagree, I love that the skar king really is just a tyrant everybody is afraid of. Also there is alot of space for theorys In my opinion
I agree 💯
Skar King was a boring villain
@@johnnytactical3054 gotta disagree, he was vile, threatening and willing to do everything for his goal and the metal tooth scene was gold
I agree
@@the_only_lonelyhe’s boring. He has no motivation. There are evil people. Pure evil people that are exist because of their environment. However that doesn’t make them sympathetic. Take Joffrey from game of thrones (if you know what that is)
My personal opinion: Two possible answers to these problems are that 1: Legendary isn't willing to shell out a large amount of money to design the rest of the unseen KOTM titans, provide flashbacks to these unseen conflicts, bringing back more classic Toho kaijus and musical cues, etc in fear if another KOTM underperformance (despite the 2019 summer season being crowded as hell). In other words, they don't want to take a risk and spend more than what's required.
And 2: Even though we fans come out to see it in droves, the Monsterverse is mostly drawing in the casual audience who just want to see a fun, yet flawed action flick that won't make them think (also despite there being underlying themes, mostly from the titans' POV). Unfortunately, despite things like the 1954 original and Minus One proving otherwise, the Monsterverse is slowly falling into the same cliché umbrella that other monster movies seem to be in, i.e. underwhelming human characters (for the most part), and death not being taken seriously.
With that being said, one possible solution to this is that if they can't tell the full story of these past conflicts and events in the actual movies, they can at least tell them through a comic miniseries in the vain of "Skull Island: Birth of Kong" or publish a Monsterverse Encyclopedia book which includes an official timeline with the events of the movies, graphic novels, and TV shows and fully fledged and detailed Monarch Profiles on the Titans and Superspecies we have seen thus far. I guarantee that people will be willing to buy it if they put their blood, sweat, and tears into it.
Regarding" Godzilla: KOTM"'s box office underperformance.... First and foremost thing to remember is, it was up against unprecedented competition at the box office, namely a brand new Elton John biopic, "Rocket Man" and primarily,.. Disney's "Aladdin" whose domestic and International box office legs stretched well into KOTM's run in theatres. The previous MonsterVerse entries, "Godzilla 2014" and "Kong: Skull Island" didn't have to race against a four quadrant film like that overrated Will Smith / Guy Ritchie vehicle. Even with the Chinese market (apparently, well in hand), the Disney flick cratered Legendary's projections of receipts there. The KOTM theatrical run that began May 13th there and May 31st here, was over far sooner than the studio expected it to be. Miscalculating on the popular appeal of "Aladdin", was *the* big mistake Legendary / Warner Bros made when they chose the release date for KOTM, regardless of the pre-release viral and saturation ad marketing campaigns they did for it.
Thanks for the clarification.😊
I hope the next monsterverse film will be a much more grounded Godzilla focused film kinda like 2014 but with more Godzilla screen time with a little bit of a kong skull island tone to it
The Monsterverse has embraced showa era goofiness. Going back to 2014's tone is unlikely.
godzilla fans when monsterverse films are grounded with lots of human screen time:😡
godzilla fans when legendary listens and makes it more about the monsters:😡
I agree, we need more fear. Like I was thinking one way they could make Shimo feel more threatening is if they actually show humans getting affected. Or in a future scene where they show a family doing something all happy and stuff and the son would get picked up by a Kaiju and just eat a child and some of it's corpse or blood (not a Rated R amount) would drop on the ground in front of the mother. Something like that would be just jaw dropping. I like how you make it so that they don't just copy Minus One. I think they should still keep it fun and awesome and some of those elements, but like you said there needs to be at least some cruel moments or a real impacting thing.
I really feel like godzilla has been given a backseat to the franchise he has started. We really need a godzilla focused movie were kong isn't even in it or has a minor roll
@@narminarm I agree.
Agreed, Kong needs to either be absent in the next movie, or majorly sidelined
My problem with gvk and gxk is that it never felt like like there was any stakes, I think this happened with gxk bc 95% of the Kaiju action was in the hollow earth so it never really felt like it mattered. I feel like it would’ve been better if shimo beat both kong AND goji in the hollow earth, this would’ve proved them to be a *very* real threat. gvk did this bettter, but I wished they fleshed out mecha better, he should’ve been revealed earlier. However I do love the writing of the actual titans in the recent monsterverse, Skar King feels like a proper tyrant(kinda like the indom) Kong feels like he has proper motives and goals, albeit simple ones, goji for the first time in a WHILE feels like he really cares about the surface world enough to LITERALLY EVOLVE and become stronger. Shimo is just kinda.. there, and whilst I do wish we got more backstory about her or hope we get more backstory later in the monsterverse.
Godzilla Guy + DangerVille= The best duo!!
Be careful of possible Gatekeeping Jacob!
Not gatekeeping at all. Like what you wanna like, unless it’s bad. But I don’t think any of the MV movies are “bad”
@@DangerVilleI’d say the current monsterverse is decent
Toho DOES gatekeep the Godzillaverse. One of the stipulations Legendary had to agree to was for Toho to install a proofreader to go over the scripts and thus prevent something like Zilla '98 from happening again.
Gatekeeping?? 😂
@@DangerVille Yes, they are.
I love how we are getting les humans more Kaiju
Since for almost all of the movies humans just feel like they are just there to expand the run time and say 1 or 2 lines but they take up like 25 minutes for each line
That's on the writing itself, not the actual characters
Considering 2014 was complained about for “too many humans and not enough kaiju fights” and then 2019 came and the same fans said “too many Kaiju fights and not enough humans”
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That was the casual fanbase whining, unfortunately. Now that MV has taken this approach, people are admiring the tone, mystery, and atmosphere of G2014, Kong: Skull Island, etc
@@malekat85392014 was decent and skull Island was an improvement. KoTM was the opportunity to improve on the flaws of both films and it failed.
Minus one did it perfectly
I totally agree with everything. I think there should be a movie where instead of ancient writing on walls show the actual monster battles/wars. Like all the godzilla's and all the kong's species going to war. Or seeing other monster rivalries or a movie that shows how ghidorah came to earth. And I would like to see more classic monsters too.
Toho doesn't allow Godzilla to be apart of species unfortunately
Next movie we could genuinely explore the Galaxy back in the day the farthest it looked like it would go is something like the place we saw Godzilla healing after his fight with KG but now we are giving a Giant Ape a Robotic arm with instant frostbite healing and obviously the Hollow Earth I like the new Monsterverse but I think it is getting way to crazy
What made KOTM work so well in my view was that Michael Dougherty was a genuine fan of the source material. It felt like a film that reminded the modern world of everything that already made Godzilla great, and tying it all together fittingly and cohesively, while still taking everything seriously. But on top of that, there were new things he added to the lore and wanted expanded upon like Godzilla's temple, the Shobijin, and Jonah Allen and his terrorist group. Some old, some new, all cool, and leaving fans wanting more. Did we ever get any of that? Only barely, unfortunately. In a perfect world, Michael Dougherty could have been the Kevin Feige of the Monsterverse and dictating how all future films would work together to create something much more comprehensive and entertaining.
I will never lose interest in the monstervers dangerville
I think that if we combined 2014’s writing, Skull Island’s characters, KOTM’s Music and atmosphere, GvK’s action, and Gxk’s monster characterization; we would get a masterpiece
I wanna see evolved go from pink to blue again (i do believe it could be done well as long as its not explained like “erm he just slept for a while and lost all of his execs radiation☝️☝️”)
That's probably going to be the explanation... 💀
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The director said this is not his final evolution, so Godzilla may have another color in future films.
Now for the general crowd, people like to follow along a story, so far we've gotten individual ones with more monsters appearing, but not a set and stone main people for us to follow along all these films. This is just one aspect, but there are others such as getting invested emotionally for the characters and the monsters with more thrill, intensity and relatable. I don't want to say this all leads to serious flicks to be the ones that last longer and get remembered, but in some aspects of a mature feeling one can help while not sacrificing absurdities.
From Godzilla guy's take,, I also agree with having a smooth consistent slate, mentions and flashbacks from characters which lands back in borrowing serious aspects other movies do well. We've seen it with Deadpool & Wolverine, while different, the format of both the goofy and touching moments gets mixed with fun.
I think the balance of human and monster characters was best achieved in Kong: Skull Island by getting us to connect to the humans who respected Kong and despise those who wanted him dead, and the MonsterVerse could stand to re-learn those lessons. We need a level of suspense and emotional impact again. Not everything needs to be giant destruction spectacle, life or death scenarios in tight conditions can work even better. As much as Godzilla is considered an invincible guardian of life on Earth, future MV films need to craft a new ongoing human protagonist to root for and villains who don't feel so cartoonish.
Thankfully Legendary let the creative teams for each movie or series spread their wings and do things their way, so it's a manner of time before we have a good idea of what Grant Sputore has to offer this time.
I think it would be great if they did a Google earth type thing like what jurassic world dominion had and for it to have kaiju sightings, hidden lore that the fans need to find and SPACE TO MAKE THEORIES
I do enjoy the monster verse however I do agree with the criticism at 6:27. I really think the big issue is with the changing of many writers and directors and most writers they bring on are not familiar with the ip which would be one thing. Another thing I would like to bring up is with all the RUclips channels that discuss monster verse whether it be lore or what have you how much influence does it have on the writers and directors.
12:14 I 1000% agree on this one, I too love the monsters being treated as characters, but I also missed how Godlike they were represented as, like in Michael Dougherty's 2019 Godzilla Kotm, for me, the movie made Godzilla and the titans feel like gods, goddesses, animal deities, Demons and beast of religion.
which is why despite what critics and some fans say, I still like Godzilla Kotm
Congress with 1000 videos Dangerville🎉❤👍.
honestly, my only problem i had wich gxk is the hype up just to lead to nothing....
they could have made evolved the strongerst form of godzilla yet like it was stated in the ad but NOPE.
as it is now we struggle to know if Shimo was really the strongerst threath we ever seen (AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN) but instead saying "yes, Shimo was the strongerst threath" Legendary is not wanting to give us an answer.
Basiccly the hype from the ads are not backed up, and thath makes me feel like i have been lied
The tree creature eating the pilot truly upset my child. Not because it was scary, but because he felt sorry for him. That's a true emotion felt toward someone who just died. We need more of that in these films; scenes that illicit real emotion other than excitement.
Haven’t started the vid but I know it’s gonna be a banger
Honestly, I agree. We need KOTM’s worldbuilding back.
I’m enjoying pretty much everything thats been comming out the show was awesome the movies have been great. They are taking their time and I respect that.
Perspectives are perspectives man, I ain't complaining.
If we support the people behind the MV then we could potentially dive into the sea of phenomenallity.
I feel like some more substance to the style would help. Keeping plenty of focus on the monsters is nice but I think showing how to plot effects the cast would do a lot of good at showing how these events carry weight.
I miss when the monsterverse was grounded and dramatic. I’m sick and tired of the mindless newer films that fans defend way too much. Is it too hard for these filmmakers to make something of value? I don’t give a shit if older Godzilla films were like this. We deserve better
We have better and there is passion to gvk and gxk
Preach it, mi amigo.
Well, I think this already is the better we deserve.
@strikerfc-gv7pc No, it will never get to what YOU think is better.
If I'm satisfied I have no reason to ask for something else.
Also let's not pretend the 2014 movie wasn't made just to get money.
Defend? That's strange, I have only see peaple shiting on them like you lol
The fans of this franchise is like a Godzilla, we sleep, rest and move on when things are not happening. But when something big is going to happen, we rise from depths for the sea. Monsterverse will be gone but we will never forget because our inner childhood is screaming.
Godzilla seems to be moving more like a human in GXK I could be exaggerating tho
No, you're correct. Godzilla is moving like a human.
Godzilla guy!!?!
I'm glad you finally said it, the Monsterverse needs to go back to its roots. Godzilla 2014, KOTM and Skull Island will are still the best the monsterverse has ever been abd GxK was a big step back.
@strikerfc-gv7pc I can relate, every single time I try to tell people that GxK was'nt even that good and that the monsverse needs a clear direction like literrally any other movie universe they say I don't like "Fun"
Thanks, I,ll check out the video.
Agreed!
@strikerfc-gv7pc pretty good comment and vid, exactly what ive been saying about the mv for the past 5 years, youve earned a sub! 👍
They should do a prequel where it was Ghidorah, who the Kong species into the hollow earth with the help of the Skull crawlers and the Mutos. Didn’t have what’s left of Godzilla species, along with Shimo, come in and handle them. It would explain how king ghidorah was frozen, how the mutos were almost whiped out, and the beef between kong species and the skull crawlers. There are so many avenues you can go with this.
I want a Monsterverse and Pacific Rim crossover movie.
How would it work tho? Will it be canon to both franchises?
If only haha
@@EagerBeaverAnimsYTI mean Freddy vs Jason did it
Or they could make Pacific Rim like Yeagers in future installments
@@DangerVille I can only dream.
they need a prequel about the titan war, about how godzillas species thrived and how the kongs and godzillas found each other and started a war, and seeing skar king in his prime.
Interesting take, as I also prefer the first two Monsterverse entries, because they were so grounded. Some would include GKOTM, but I think that is when "throwing everything including the kitchen sink" began, by showcasing the three classic Toho monsters all at the same time, without much build up for any of them (expect for Ghidrah). I would have loved to have seen a great solo Rodan movie, before GKOTM, but they probably thought it would not make much money, so screw that idea.
The last two G/K movies have made money and fans have enjoyed them, so one would assume that Legendary will stick to this formula. But with a new director and David Callaham coming back to write, who knows what they will have in store.
“We want less humans more fights”
“Now we want the old monster verse back!”
This. This is the real mindset of us as fans… we can’t be happy about anything. 2014, “too much humans and not enough kaiju” 2019 “too much Kaiju and not enough humans” 2021 “too much and too little of both” 2024 “too much kaiju fights and goofiness”
@@Tabi-Kun2019 was best
@@kaijuzilla2357*Skull Island
Not so much that as keep more fights but fix the vibe. The scale needs recontextualizing and they need to SLOW DOWN. Fast Goji is fine for hollow earth since gravity is wacky there but he needs HEFT on the surface
I agree with you danger I’m making Godzilla ground zero and I’m gonna follow the lore
Honestly I disagree the monsterverse lore is pretty solid, even the comics get their fair share as tianamet appears in gxk and it seems to be implied the survivors in skull island (anime) that the kracken kills are the monarch crew lost in birth of kong, also don’t understand what the other guy was saying about the dorsals, of course it was the muto prime that caused the dorsal change
I agree. The sense of high stakes don’t hit at all the past few movies.
Sorry, but I think at this point getting more "mysterious" would turn away people.
Most people criticized the 2014 movie exactly because it felt too indulgent.
Dougherty himself said it: if you pull out something like Ghidorah you can't really go back to a grounded tone.
The only thing I really agree with is that we need higher stakes.
It'll probably turn away some of the casual fans (unless written subliminally), so yeah, I get that,
But you can still be grounded even with the introduction of MZ, so I don't see the issue there. If anything, KOTM was between GxK/GvK and G2014/K: SI, so it had that perfect blend.
If I'm not mistaken, people were mainly complaining with the seriously dark contrast all the time, coupled with the lack of screen time for a Godzilla centric film. I'm not sure if being "indulgent" played the significant role of reviews. I could be wrong though about that.
@strikerfc-gv7pc Ghidorah and grounded don't belong in the same sentence.
You would have to change him too much to make him truly realistic, KOTM was as close as you could get.
Also just because it isn't grounded doesn't mean it's dumb.
@strikerfc-gv7pc So KOTM already. By your definition every monster already has a grounded tone.
@matteomastrodomenico1231
I do just want to chime in and say that you can have fantastical elements and still have a grounded tone to the film. It's how it's executed, which is important
@@malekat8539 And you won't see me disagreeing, but I do think they're overall still staying pretty grounded.
I completely agree with your take. Bringing a sense of fear, not knowing if someone is about to meet their maker at any moment, is what keeps me (and others I'd wager) on the edge of their seats. That's why Peter Jackson's King Kong and Kong: Skull Island are my two personal favorites. The suspense just makes for a much more enjoyable experience in my opinion. But if they were to continue doing this, it's likely to come with the drawback of putting much more of a focus on the human characters. Otherwise the audience won't care about said characters.
WWE fights are still entertaining, but I feel the new movies have lost it's mysterious grip. There is no impact in the fights or deaths and we have no emotions other than big monsters fight which is fun, but it isn't the same as atleast having more effort put into human emotion or bigger stakes.
I am a fan of the monsterverse and I haven't lost interest. I want it to keep going. I still enjoy watching the previous movies
I just love that there hasn't been a single bad monsterverse movie in my opinion.
GxK is both good and bad imo
Agreed 100%
For me GxK is a bit bad tho, from the cinematography and you know... The plot
@@Anonymous00506 Well it’s hard for me to say it’s a good movie or it’s a bad movie. It has a lot of good and a lot of bad in it, like some of the Monster fights, Kong’s side of the story, the visuals were all great, but yes, the plot, Godzilla’s side of the story, and the lacking feel in some aspects make it both a good and bad movie imo
@@Anonymous00506 What's so bad about the plot though?
16:09 "WE DONT NEED OVER THE TOP KAIJU ACTION BRAWL" we need a damn good movie thats worthy of a 20 years later anniversary re-release "THAT ALSO HAS A LOT OF BADASS KAIJU FIGHT SCENES IN IT" come on we need that... are you okay? Legendary is contradicting itself? How about you? Pls dont delete this
In the next Monsterverse movie
Not only that I don't want Godzilla to die but I would like a reference or a return of the infamous Halo jump from Godzilla 2014
Life long Godzilla Fan but Kong: Skull Island is the best Movie in the Monsterverse, imo.
Many have said that the MV should go with a heisei tone, and while that is a good idea, the MV should not just copy that mix of campy and serious. There should be a 60% serious tone and 40% campy tone, with most of the campy being during comedy and fights, while the plots should return to 2014/KOTM tones. I love the recent MV films, but we should be returning to the more serious tone, especially if the next film is a Godzilla solo film. Anyways, great video Dangervile+ Godzilla Guy!
I think your right about continuity. That's important too. Let's not fall into other traps that other franchises have fallen into. Those traps have destroyed other franchises recently. Please keep good monsterverse content coming.
It's too late
Here's the thing tho. I personally much prefer the new movies, especially GxK, because of the more developed personalities of the Titans and the much less involvement of the humans. I think the perfect blend would be the og vibes, with these two new aspects.
Ya know, there is a WEALTH of untapped potential to explore an ancient conflict with Godzilla that explains the destruction and disappearance of Atlantis and Lemuria, and why human civilization seems to have been reset around 12,000 years ago.
We could see advanced ancient civilizations, including the one that worshipped Godzilla, with complete creative freedom. It would showcase the Titans as gods, once again, and remind us that they are literal walking calamities that reshape the very face of the earth with their conflicts...
I think the Monsterverse will progressively get better with there stories and monsters. Thank goodness that it’s not becoming like Marvel, StarWars, or DC
It is becoming like them post KOTM
@@malekat8539 No. Can we stop comparing anything remotely campy to Marvel?
Marvel isn't the origin of campy blockbusters.
@strikerfc-gv7pc How are they remotely comparable?
@@malekat8539no, it's not
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If the semblance is there. I don't see a reason not to
I feel like titans should be more of what they are, smart, emotional and still god like, they should make Godzilla more like Kong in a certain way, the trouble of his past and actually tragic
In my opinion, Monsterverse needs the tension that it once had. We as fans want to feel threatened but also at the same time excited when we see a new kaiju villain. Make it a little bit more thriller/horror vibe. Add a little bit of scariness. It misses the mystery and depth it once had. But im almost sure that at the end everything will be fine and Monsterverse will shine once again!
My personal take away with this is
If we're supposedly in the "Showa Era" of the Monsterverse, I think they should quickly crackdown on making the "Heisei Era" for the Monsterverse seeing how even though the Showa Era movies are considered legendary, what people kind of forget is that for a majority of the Showa Era, by I wanna say after Destroy All Monsters, is that Toho was basically bleeding money for a good chunk of the 70s until the 80s where they realized "Maybe we should take Godzilla seriously again" which led to the Heisei Era starting, which even though some entries are polarizing, the Heisei Era as a whole was generally well received.
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Well, who knows Grant Sputore is planning. Considering how his last movie ”Mother” (Propably his only one so far) had a very serious and effect driven story, it might be what the Monster verse is gonna get
Doesn't really matter what was going on in the 70s, now this seems the approach that gets more people in the theaters.
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You clearly didn't read the comment properly. He's talking about the trend that the current MV is heading, which is similar to what happened during the Showa Era. It's always a good thing to acknowledge and apply the events in history to now as the saying goes: "History always repeats itself." (or something along those lines).
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And now that I think about it, you didn't watch the video as well because this is literally explained in the video that current MV has garnered more casual fans at the expense of the hard-core fans, which brings seats, but they don't stay invested afterwards.
Three hours of Godzilla and a few close friends( Anguirus) kicking Kaiju/Titan butt with just enough human story to keep it going. Throw in some aliens. Threaten the planet. Keep it scary. Keep us on the edge of our seats.
No Mothra, No Kong.
I feel like the Monsterverse has the same issues that the newer DC movies had.
You open with a dark, serious movie like Godzilla(2014) or Man of Steel, only for the franchise to become a wanna-be clone of the MCU that practically erases all traces of the dark, immersive tone that the first movies had.
I feel like that desperate desire to copy Marvel’s tone is what ultimately relegates all these other franchises to obscurity. They mistakingly believe that forced humor, constant Easter eggs, after credit scenes and over-the-top action sequences are the ticket to success because it worked for marvel. But that simply isn’t always the case.
Godzilla(2014) and Man of Steel resonated with me because they were so different from the other cinematic fare of the time. Now it seems like their franchises just want to copy others.
That's the thing though: the fans are those that asked for this.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 Some fans, not all of them.
Honestly, I consider myself a diehard Godzilla fan, but the divisiveness regarding the Monsterverse has shown just how toxic some Godzilla fans can be.
For instance, I’ve been accused of not being a “real Godzilla fan” and cussed out in comment sections because I don’t like the current state of the Monsterverse. Apparently admitting that you hate Kotm is enough to be thrown to the keyboard dogs.
And I stand by my opinions; to this day, I hate kotm because I think it’s a messy, un-immersive, badly written movie that relies way too heavily on fanservice, nostalgia bait and Easter Eggs.
It’s the beginning of the Monsterverse’s descent into the MCU with Kaiju.
With that said, however, I would never belittle or degrade someone for loving kotm and beyond. Godzilla is a very diverse franchise with tons of incarnations and ideas. Not liking one or another doesn’t keep anyone from being a “real Godzilla fan.”
@@CaptainKotetsu Most of them actually. That's why KOTM is so popular.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231if KOTM is so popular then why did it bomb at the box office?
@@lillipton8838 Because it was popular _within the fandom._
Also the competition with several other blockbusters, including Avengers: Endgame.
Unpopular opinion: KotM was good and I am honestly proud of legendary for getting TOHO to let them use Godzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah, and Rodan!
2014: Has ten minutes of Godzilla
Fans: “This is boring! I hate it!”
Minus One: Has ten minutes of Godzilla
Fans: “This is a cinematic masterpiece from the heavens above!!! Goji be praised!!!”
The fans hating on 2014 always dumbfounded me since that movie has a lot in common with tons of toho godzilla movies, at least when it comes to structure.
For one structure example, Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla vs Destoroyah gave the movie’s villain more screen time than Godzilla himself, just like the Mutos in 2014.
Some fans like to complain about this, but all three of these movies introduce a completely new, original Kaiju that needs fleshed out and hyped up all in one movie. In that light, it makes sense for Orga, Destoroyah and the Mutos to have more screen time than Godzilla in their movies.
*Also, I love Minus One. I’m just making a point, so don’t accuse me of disliking it in the comments.
The biggest difference between -1 and 14 is the human cast. I actually cared about the cast in -1, a first since the og film. 14 on the other hand, I flat out hated the boring human cast. I like them more than the anime trilogy, but that's not saying much.
@@Great_Getter same
@strikerfc-gv7pc except Cranston was the only good character in the film while everyone is is boring and forgettable and underdeveloped
Except that godzilla in the 2014 film was constantly being teased throughout the whole film until mainly the final act of the film while the whole movie is mostly about boring forgettable human characters trying to stop the mutos
@@joshuacelani1857 facts
I agree with this wholeheartedly.But here’s something no one talks about:Ghidorah’s backstory.Yes, he threw hands with Godzilla in the past.Yes, he got frozen by Shimo.But why did he come to earth?Where did he come from?How did he become so powerful?Why is he evil?
For the MUTOS we at least got some backstory on them, a parasite that Godzilla has to get rid of.But why is Ghidorah so adamant on taking over the world?We know nothing of Ghidorah before he came to earth.We just know that he isn’t from here and he hates Godzilla.Personally,I think we need just about Ghidorah before he came to earth.Because we know nothing of that.
There were things that made the Monsterverse interesting to think about, now it feels like a generic Showa era movie with little thought put into it.
This is exactly how I feel lol!! The lore is to shallow now and the movie is all about a wwe and goofy focus instead of some more intriguing lore and what if they are real and worshipped as gods.
Nah, I still feel there's thought into it. It's not all random.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 but it is lesser compared before.. if you think of it. I love showa but a showa 2.0 is not we need now. We need something new.
I found it so strange that you peaple hate the new movies for been campy and too much like showa but still prease movies like Final Wars🤔
@@saintpepsi4884 I do think it's what we need actually. There's not a lot of movies that are unashamed of being over-the-top right now.
Thinking about your take, it made me reflect on which scenes have stuck with me most from the series aside from the Kaiju fights. For me, that would be Serizawa's final moments in the lair, because that sense of "awe and wonder" was back in an emotional moment between Godzilla and one buman who believed in him.
The other was, on a very different tone, Godzilla attacking Pensacola to start GvK. Because (although it didnt last) there was a mystery as to why Godzilla was so angry and it felt sudden and devastating. I'd like a little more of that; either more moments of awe or, as you suggested, more mystery and impact.
I think the Monsterverse going Showa is whats really hurting it, I wish it goes back to the tone of Godzilla 2014, were the only think you have to stretch your mind on is that theres giant monsters. No showa, no high tech vehicle crap.
Kinda late for that though
I dont think so@@matteomastrodomenico1231
@@FourKaiju We already have the high-tech and the "Showa stuff", ignoring it would just be another pointless retcon.
I dont think so Monarch legacy of monsters proved that, the only thing I had to stretch my mind is the hollow earth amd giant monsters and there was almost no high tech vehicles. @@matteomastrodomenico1231