Really appreciate your patient and clear manner here, Joshua. I had never thought about making hold fast holes differently to benchdog holes. You learn something every day!
You can also place a waste piece/board of wood below the bench top to prevent the bad finishing when the bit comes through. That way you dont need to drill upwards. I found it to work very well on delicate finish boards like mdf.
My Moravian workbench is nearing completion and it is turning out pretty much like Will's did in the video. I will be needing dog holes soon. Glad you have this video because I don't want to put more dog holes than I need to! Is it OK to drill dog holes in the leg assembles for other work holding options?
I'm just getting ready to build my very first bench. What wood do you recommend? I was originally going to use some pressure treated I have left over from a pergola I just built, but then I thought, perhaps I should use better wood. And since this won't be outside 24/7 maybe cedar or something else. What say you?
Hi there, thanks for the video! it's really great. I have one question though, what do you think it's the best distance for the bench holes from the edge of the bench? my question comes from the ability to clamp boards using the front vise dogs and the bench dogs. Thanks in advance!
Nice video - is there a part two where you talk about the other important part of this - that being the clamp/vice that tightens your board up against the dogs? That would be really helpful!
Like you, I use the router spiral upcut bits to start my holes but then use Fisch Wavecutter forstner bits to drill holes in wood and they work incredibly well. Spade bits make it much more difficult!
I like the organized way you do your videos. Do you have a sugestion for were to buy a 1" long as we can get it upcut spiral router bit to make 1" dog holes?
At 5.29 you can see the tiny hole in the aluminium bracket for the drill handle. In this hole you place the long steel rod that comes with the drill. When the handle is released (turned anti clockwise) the rod can be inserted to any position. Determine drill depth and tighten the handle. This is now a drill depth stop. (If you haven’t mislaid your rod that is..) 😂
No need to watch for the drill bit poking through after the first hole. You just use a block of wood or whatever above the top to stop the drill from moving any closer to the top; the first hole let’s you determine how thick of a block to use. Almost like using tape on a drill bit to stop the drill, but tape doesn’t work so well with the spade bit.
Fantastic tips, Joshua! Thanks a lot! 😃 As you know, I still can't do much, but I've been playing around here, making small stuff (like a 2 by 2 by 4 and a quarter inches mallet) and searching online for dowels and stuff like that. 😊 Anyway, stay safe there! 🖖😊
I'm building a new workbench that will serve as my outfeed table, glue-up table, and assembly table in my small home shop. I'm trying to decide what material to use for the 1.75" thick top. I have three options: 1) purchase a 1.75" thick beech hardwood top from Grizzly, 2) laminate a few sheets of MDF with a Formica top, or 3) laminate a few sheet of Baltic birch with a Formica top. Do you think dog holes will work in a 1.75" thick bench top that is made of laminated Baltic birch plywood or MDF with Formica on top? I like the idea of a Formica top since I will be using the table for glue ups, but I also want functional dog holes for holding pieces in place. Thoughts on MDF vs plywood? Will Formica prevent the dog holes from working? thanks
Did you end up going with that thickness? How is it working? I’m considering using a solid core door for a workbench top and am wondering how bench dogs and possibly holdfasts will work in a top that is not as thick as most. Thanks!
@@b-radg916 I ended up doing a 2 1/8” thick solid maple top. I ended up purchasing veritas surface clamps from Lee Valley, so I don’t know how my dog holes would work with a traditional hold fast.
Any recommendations for minimum bench thickness for using bench dogs? I'm working on a bench top now and trying to conserve material but obviously don't want to undermine the design
My workbench is 4" thick wit 3/4" dog holes. I've tried a variety of holdfasts, lengths, roughing them with course sandpaper and they just have a hard time catching. I counterbored one from the bottom with a 1" hole and that really didn't solve the issue so it remains a single test. I'm open to ideas.
Yes, what type of holdfast is it? Between sanding around the holdfast shaft and counterboring, I've never had a holdfast I haven't been able to get to work...except for the cheap cast iron holdfasts.
@@WoodAndShop I have each of the 3 above and want to use the 2nd, the forged steel. I'm going to try sanding it again. It is longer than the others and will hold better if I reach under the bench top and push the "tail" sideways to add to the pressure that wedges it in the hole.
Great video Jonathan you really covered a lot of areas in one short video i completely understand the reasoning for not using Holdfasts in Dog holes but in all honesty thats kind of a hard thing to stick to doing especially if that specific hole is in a convienent spot to where you want or prefer to work in as most of us have our favorite Workbench are we work in
Hi Craig, the name is Joshua. Yes, workbenches are meant to be worked on, but it's quite tough to add new bench dog holes, and also to find dowels that are slightly larger. I just bore holdfast holes in any spot where I might need to reach.
@@WoodAndShop: Hi Joshua. Thanks for this great video! Are you saying that you bore the holdfast holes from the start, or as you find you need them? I’m thinking they’d have to be from the start. If so, do you have a preferred layout for the two types? Thank you!
This is all too much for a beginner like me.. I'm lost. So many things, so many channels, so much to know just to start woodworking..
Really appreciate your patient and clear manner here, Joshua. I had never thought about making hold fast holes differently to benchdog holes. You learn something every day!
Agreed. I wonder what layout he uses for the different holes?
You can also place a waste piece/board of wood below the bench top to prevent the bad finishing when the bit comes through. That way you dont need to drill upwards. I found it to work very well on delicate finish boards like mdf.
Really good quality video: good content, good filming quality and very well explained. Keep up the good job. 🙏
Thanks!
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My Moravian workbench is nearing completion and it is turning out pretty much like Will's did in the video. I will be needing dog holes soon. Glad you have this video because I don't want to put more dog holes than I need to! Is it OK to drill dog holes in the leg assembles for other work holding options?
I'm just getting ready to build my very first bench. What wood do you recommend? I was originally going to use some pressure treated I have left over from a pergola I just built, but then I thought, perhaps I should use better wood. And since this won't be outside 24/7 maybe cedar or something else. What say you?
Hi there, thanks for the video! it's really great. I have one question though, what do you think it's the best distance for the bench holes from the edge of the bench? my question comes from the ability to clamp boards using the front vise dogs and the bench dogs. Thanks in advance!
Thank you for the advice. I didn’t think about holdfast expanding the holes.
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Nice video - is there a part two where you talk about the other important part of this - that being the clamp/vice that tightens your board up against the dogs? That would be really helpful!
Yes, Just bench dogs, not a piece of furniture...😅
No work bench. No $. Going to get a 2x4 foot sheet of plywood and put it on saw horses.
Like you, I use the router spiral upcut bits to start my holes but then use Fisch Wavecutter forstner bits to drill holes in wood and they work incredibly well. Spade bits make it much more difficult!
Thoughtful and full of thought, without being redundant. I love the “whys” and “therefores.” Joshua is a gem.
Wow, great tip abut boring the bottom of holes bigger than top. Will do that.
Proper holdfasts are made from spring steel, not cast iron
the most important part of this movie is "it's just dogs, not furniture". When I see beautiful shine dogs for $ 50 a piece, I get angry.
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Perfect timing on the vid. My bench is built. Just need to drill these holes and mount the vices. 👍
Yep. Same here. DYI is the way to go, too.
I like the organized way you do your videos. Do you have a sugestion for were to buy a 1" long as we can get it upcut spiral router bit to make 1" dog holes?
At 5.29 you can see the tiny hole in the aluminium bracket for the drill handle.
In this hole you place the long steel rod that comes with the drill. When the handle is released (turned anti clockwise) the rod can be inserted to any position. Determine drill depth and tighten the handle. This is now a drill depth stop. (If you haven’t mislaid your rod that is..) 😂
that's great thanks, need to put some bench dog holes in my own Moravian Workbench
Hello there!
Question:
- If the hole is 3/4 and 7/8 at the bottom, how thick should the holdfast be?
Thank you
I bought this plan and video and built this bench. Don't have dog holes drilled yet as I don't have a suitable tail vice sourced yet.
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Very easy to follow presentation. Nice videography. This is what I want to make mine as.
What is the name of that end vise mechanism? I would like to add it to my workbench!
I was hoping you'd show how to make the holdfasts! That was a good newbie blacksmith project for me.
Great video, well explained and nicely presented. Thank you :)
Very helpful video on benchdog thank you
Jonathan I wanted to know if you could do a video on end vices? If you buy them or make them yourself? Also how do you install them. [ thanks ]
Ty you may have saved me a few bucks and my wife will be grateful.
No need to watch for the drill bit poking through after the first hole. You just use a block of wood or whatever above the top to stop the drill from moving any closer to the top; the first hole let’s you determine how thick of a block to use. Almost like using tape on a drill bit to stop the drill, but tape doesn’t work so well with the spade bit.
Very helpful video. Thank you.
Do I drill all the way through the bench?
Useful information. Thank you for sharing! Wondering, do you have any workbench build projects?
Nope, not yet.
Fantastic tips, Joshua! Thanks a lot! 😃
As you know, I still can't do much, but I've been playing around here, making small stuff (like a 2 by 2 by 4 and a quarter inches mallet) and searching online for dowels and stuff like that. 😊
Anyway, stay safe there! 🖖😊
Thanks!
Thanks very helpful video.
👍👍👍Thanks for useful tips and detailed information.
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Excellent instruction, thank you.
Wow, would you look at those perfect thin ribbons of wood from your hand plane! So impressed.
I like your explanation, greetings from the desert, somewhere in Saudi Arabia.
Wow, thanks for watching from Saudi Arabia!
Really appreciate your thoughtful explanations
Excelente, gracias
WHAT SIZES SHOULD THE DOG HOLES BE ???
Great points as I prepare to build a Moravian.
What size dowel do you buy for 3/4" dog holes.
I'm building a new workbench that will serve as my outfeed table, glue-up table, and assembly table in my small home shop. I'm trying to decide what material to use for the 1.75" thick top. I have three options: 1) purchase a 1.75" thick beech hardwood top from Grizzly, 2) laminate a few sheets of MDF with a Formica top, or 3) laminate a few sheet of Baltic birch with a Formica top. Do you think dog holes will work in a 1.75" thick bench top that is made of laminated Baltic birch plywood or MDF with Formica on top? I like the idea of a Formica top since I will be using the table for glue ups, but I also want functional dog holes for holding pieces in place. Thoughts on MDF vs plywood? Will Formica prevent the dog holes from working? thanks
Did you end up going with that thickness? How is it working? I’m considering using a solid core door for a workbench top and am wondering how bench dogs and possibly holdfasts will work in a top that is not as thick as most. Thanks!
@@b-radg916 I ended up doing a 2 1/8” thick solid maple top. I ended up purchasing veritas surface clamps from Lee Valley, so I don’t know how my dog holes would work with a traditional hold fast.
@@coryclaassen9843: Got it, thanks. So many gadgets, so little money! 🫣
Do you have any workbench build projects/drawings? Thank you!
I already found a lot of info in the description. Thank you!
Any recommendations for minimum bench thickness for using bench dogs? I'm working on a bench top now and trying to conserve material but obviously don't want to undermine the design
Did you come up with a good answer? I’m thinking about using a solid core door, but don’t know how well that will work.
@@b-radg916 I never ended up finishing the bench.
Thanks for the link! Great video, saw a bunch of traffic and wondered why! Much appreciated!
Happy to help!
Camera 1, camera 2... Camera 1, camera 2... Camera 1, camera 2... I can't make up my mind...
Nice tips. Thanks!
Ha, ha, sorry to make you dizzy!
Great video mate, quick question though, why use a spade bit and not an auger bit, twist drill or Forstner bit?
With a brace I use an auger bit, but with a power drill, a spade bit works great. Much cheaper than a big auger bit for drills. And less agressive.
@@WoodAndShop ah cool cool, I see where you're coming from!
Thanks
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Terrific video...
Thank you ! Always relevant ! Cheers !
Superb video thank you 👍🏽
You're welcome Edgar!
Again very precise explanations thank you.
Glad it was helpful Frank!
great tips…..
Great video! Keep them coming!
My workbench is 4" thick wit 3/4" dog holes. I've tried a variety of holdfasts, lengths, roughing them with course sandpaper and they just have a hard time catching. I counterbored one from the bottom with a 1" hole and that really didn't solve the issue so it remains a single test. I'm open to ideas.
Andy Zavoina cast iron?
Yes, what type of holdfast is it? Between sanding around the holdfast shaft and counterboring, I've never had a holdfast I haven't been able to get to work...except for the cheap cast iron holdfasts.
@@WoodAndShop I have each of the 3 above and want to use the 2nd, the forged steel. I'm going to try sanding it again. It is longer than the others and will hold better if I reach under the bench top and push the "tail" sideways to add to the pressure that wedges it in the hole.
KelMaster Construction Pask makes has a video for wooden holdfast? I know that Joshua @ Mike from M&T use them
Chris Schwartz talks about that issue . And that’s the reason why they are making 1” diameter .
Thank you. Very helpful.
Super!! Thanks
Great video Jonathan you really covered a lot of areas in one short video i completely understand the reasoning for not using Holdfasts in Dog holes but in all honesty thats kind of a hard thing to stick to doing especially if that specific hole is in a convienent spot to where you want or prefer to work in as most of us have our favorite Workbench are we work in
Hi Craig, the name is Joshua. Yes, workbenches are meant to be worked on, but it's quite tough to add new bench dog holes, and also to find dowels that are slightly larger. I just bore holdfast holes in any spot where I might need to reach.
@@WoodAndShop: Hi Joshua. Thanks for this great video! Are you saying that you bore the holdfast holes from the start, or as you find you need them? I’m thinking they’d have to be from the start. If so, do you have a preferred layout for the two types? Thank you!