I've won a 7900x3d auction on eBay for £330. It's been OCd and UVd in bios with individual core curve. Gained around 23% boost in TimeSpy benchmark. No performance boost in cinebench r23 but temps at 78c max and power consumption is 114w. If not this CPU at this price, I would only recommend the 7800x3d for am5 platforms.
@@krisiwanowski11I don't know about that, but in the mobo bios there was not option tho change a multiplier. But when set the curve, on cpu z went from around x48 to x52.5
Very impressed by the 5800x3d. Holding higher minimums than the 13900k and 7800x3d and every bit as efficient as it's update. Probably would've gone for that if I could've built my PC again. Much cheaper. Could've bought the $1,300 GPU instead. Damn.
@@user-ux2dd9pp8x you dont even know how wrong you are xD, think is that this days with modern engines CPU is not as important anymore that is why even 10900k or 3900x is good enough if you go 2k or 4k even in this benchmark you can see that fpses are in most tests shown limited by GPU not the CPU. there is not a single person that would biy any of that CPU to play 1080p so its irrelevant what you pick AMD or Intel, AMD has higher avg. FPS but Intel has much better stability and that is only difference between both brands for years, also Nvidia drivers are optimizes to work woth Intel CPU so if someone want to use DLSS and RayTracing AMD will be garbage and worthless, when for other people that want a simple mid range PC without all that fency good looking tech AMD is way to go and that will never change as when Intel is perfecting tech they sell AMD is running before they learn to walk that is why its been over 13 years now that they struggle with making a single driver that worked as it should that AMD has released from the times of FX series. so kinda brand does not matter at all this days as both companies has different approach to the market and focusing on different things, just like Mercedes is focusing on comfort and design with crappy runway results, BMW is focusing on Top Speed but is made of cheap parts interior looks cheap and comfort of driving compared to merc is questionable, and Audi is something in the middle in both aspects, and thats how it is, AMD is an Audi not good not bad but not best in any, where Intel is like Merc if you want stabiloty with all fency nice lookong tech active you have to go Intel+Nvidia. and. BMW part of top speed they always swap places from year to year from gen to gen, like it is in any market in the world simple race and thats the part thats not as important for 99%
@@ChudzikTomasz You really expect someone to read all that? I'm basing what I said on the 3-4 videos I've seen comparing the efficiency, You I expect just copy pasted something from a website.
The clock speeds are dialed down and it isn’t an Overclocking behemoth and that’s not what makes the X3D chips excel.The X3D has a massive cache. Certainly some games will work better with an overclocked Intel chip. But, CPU intensive games and simulators are showing large improvements with the 7800X3D Over the 13900k. Microsoft fight simulator being one of the prime examples of this. The 13900k can’t even come close in flight and driving sims. For those of us into flight simulation and racing, the 7800X3D is a clear winner. So much so that I just replaced my 13900k for a 7800X3D and wow! 1% lows, frame rates (30-50% improvement), and VR performance are noticeably better in MSFS and the overall experience, especially in VR, feels like a generational leap. I certainly don’t recommend folks go out and redo their entire system if they don’t need to, but if you are into large open world games (cpu bound) or racing/flight simulation then the 7800X3D is well worth the switch to AMD. The 7800X3D is also about $85 cheaper than the 13900k, so if you are upgrading the AMD setup can be a bit cheaper. Just for reference I am running a MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090 and have 32 GB 6000 DDR 5 for the AMD setup. I was running the 13900k with DDR5 6600. Also worth noting is that I havent owned and AMD/ATI product since the early 2010s when I replaced my 512MB ATI GPU for an NVIDIA 670. LOL, how far we’ve come!
Got a few questions! Why'd you pick the liquid x over the air cooled suprim x? I'm looking at GPU aswell. Which is better for 4k? A 7800X3D or 7900X3D?
@@kylehooker3710 I originally had a PNY 4090 because it was the first 4090 I found at MSRP. The PNY was fine, I just wanted a little more overclocking overhead and found the Liquid at MSRP. It’s a great looking card, but honestly the air cooled MSI Suprim is fine. The liquid actually limits installation options as well. For a little backstory, I was an EVGA loyalist for many years. When they dropped out of the GPU market, I really didn’t know which brand to choose, but I’m quite happy with the MSI. As far as the AMD 7900X3D vs 7800X3D, I would get the 7800X3D if you are just gaming. The 7900X3D has two caches and more cores, but from what I read the dual cache causes some issues in gaming. The 7800X3D is a beast and has definitely outperformed the 13th gen Intel CPU it replaced. I am exclusively in 4k and high end VR with the Varjo Aero. The 7800X3D has been outstanding
Sadly, 40-50 fps drops with 7800x3D, compared to 13900k in many titles, resulting in stutter. That frequency jumping sh is no good. Check Frame Chasers channel for more info on that. Also many benchmarks show that 13900k obliterates 7800x3D in 1% and 0.1% lows. While 7800x3D wins in average fps. I bought 7800x3D and cancelled it, as a secondary system to my 13900k. AM5 x3D chips have very similar issues as 5800x3D, too much jumping around in frequencies causes dips, and perhaps something AMD not telling us. Same issues at AM4 platform x3D. Sounds like Cache latency is there, and causes that. Next 8000 series of AMD better solve this, because that's beyond noticeable in games. I struggled with drops on old Intel CPUs. AMD is not addressing it now. As not enough people talk about it. You have to be laser focused on those drops, if you like competitive games.
@@righteousone8454 that’s why I stuck to commenting on the performance improvements I saw in Flight Sim. 7800x3d is definitely better for flight and racing sims.
I guess you’ve never heard of undervolting. The 13900k can run at the same performance with a negative offset of -0.1. My intel CPU only consumes about 5W more than my old 5800x3d, and it performs better than stock.
While the efficiency is impressive on the 7800x3d. I doubt you're going to notice a significant difference in your electric bill for what looks like 10W-20W difference while gaming. If you're doing productivity, different story. But even if you are, why don't you have a R9 7950x at that point? Which consumes some nice power itself.
I dont regret buying my 5800x3d for $389 2 years ago. Its still got alot of life left in it. Crazy I have been on AM4 since Sep 2017! But I really want a 7950x3d. I find the dual chiplet setup really cool to use.
@@techgirl517 all motherboards are equally fast. No difference at all. Expensive motherboard have just all kind of kinda useless that will not be used like wifi etc.
Im so curious how far we can push this. For example, upgrading to an X670E board with a 5th gen SSD. Also, I read that installing 4 sticks of dual memory also increase fps, but more importantly decreases drops, such as the 1% and 0.1% fps drops.
i have a r9 3900x and 16gb of ram. i change my graphics card for a rx 7900 xtx. i getting like 200 fps on apex on 1080p and warzone 100, in 3dmark in getting 19.879 score. i feel like have some kind of bottleneck with my cpu or ram.
bad deal. Why didnt you go for 7900x3d version? costs 60$ more, and you get more performance? 7900x costs the same as 7800x3d and has better specs. in that sense if you went for 7700x or 7900x it'd be cheaper and better value for the money
@@knightnxk2906 on my country it costs alot more to go for a 7900x3d (that is actually worse then the 7800x3d) or 7950x3d and I've got a nice deal for the 7800x3d, btw I'm only using my pc for gaming so it was pointless to go on the higher ones and having all the ccd's problems.
@@knightnxk2906 in terms of gaming the 7900x3d doesn't make much sense, because it has only 6 cores running on X3D compared to the 7800X3D which has 8 cores, so literally 33% more X3D Cores. And by far the most people never even make any use of the + 4 extra cores of the 7900x3d anyway.
nobody really bats an eye when it's Intel/NVIDIA who's running hotter while also pulls in more power, but everyone loses their minds when it's AMD who does it.
Ryzen 7900x3D is clocked at 5GHz. it should be at 5.6GHz no point comparing these two CPUs otherwise. Yeah they have difference in L3 Cache, but there is barely enough difference in real world with already enough L3 Cache.
@@ThanosIsLove i made an error it should say 7800x3d. yea if you want 3d cache on higher chips, you gotta disable ccd to get more performance than 7800x3d otherwise in games they have relatively same performance which is the biggest bullshit i've seen.
@knightnxk2906 I see what you are saying. The 7800x3d still cannot go above 5.0 ghz but it is surprising that for half the price of the 7950x3d you can have the same performance without all the nonsense software tweaking. Average people want plug and play and with the 7900x3d/7950x3d, you won't get the full performance without tweaking.
@@ThanosIsLove that's exactly what i mean as well. you get the performance of higher end 12+core chips in gaming, you would get the performance with higher end chips, but if you wanted more, you'd need to go and tweak them and disable some stuff to surpass 7800x3d.
7800x3d for games only .. but 7900x3d is for multitasking desktop usage .. u can do rendering, coding, streaming and gaming .. personally im going with r9 7900x3d for sure
dlss hurts image quality slightly while boosting performance though, i personally would like both to show but its also better imo to show the raw power since some games might not have dlss
The 7900x3d is in a weird space. If I understand correctly, the 7900x3d basically becomes a 6 core processor with 3d v cache when gaming since the cores are split into two 6 core ccds. So it's basically a 7600x3d if you use it for gaming. Which I would suspect is why it isn't faster than the 7800x3d. As soneone that wants gaming performance but also would like more cores for productivity work, the 7950x3d seems like a safe bet. But it's so damn expensive. I've never had this much trouble trying to decide which CPU to buy. 7800x3d seems like a no brainer if you're just gaming. But for people like me that could use the extra cores it makes the decision really difficult. Thoughts?
I have the 7900X3D paired with a 7900XTX. 6 cores is the minimum I'd have for gaming these days, but I record, stream, video edit and render for the fun of it so I wanted the extra cores to assist with that without compromising my game FPS or consistency. 7950X3D is more of a full on professional CPU of which I'd never be able to fully utilise that kind of power with what I do. If AMD made a budget 7600X3D, I think that'd be an amazing entry level gaming CPU
@@AxleLotl peopIe might disagree but to me the intel 12100 is the best entry level gaming CPU. its far cheaper than the 7600 non x and is more than good enough to do the job most of the time. majority of gamers play esports titles that dont require a 6 core CPU. an intel quad core from the previous gen is adequate enough. also, if youre just gonna waste time playing games, its better to do so with a cheap and good enough CPU. you can also upgrade in the future to a better 12 or 13th gen CPU, or a 13th gen refresh. it is a myth that you need very good CPUs and GPUs for gaming. majority of gamers are fine with a good enough low end CPU and a decent low to mid range GPU. esports titles dont require impressive computer specs. im not an intel fanboy btw. i use a ryzen 7600. its pretty good and i dont regret buying one, but for gaming i could have gotten a much cheaper-yet good enough entry level gaming CPU like the intel 12100
I m in phase “new pc building “ ASU’s rog motherboard 4090 Ddr5 But can u help me ? 7800x3d or 7950 x3d not a money problem just what is better for GAMING…this pc is 90% gaming rest work Tnx
7800X3D tbh. I was too impatient to wait for the 7950X3D to come into stock or for the 7800X3D to finally release. But 8 cores is great for gaming, there's only 1 CCD so there's less communication lag and the 5.0Ghz boost clock is plenty fast enough for light professional workloads
A 4090 is criminal for only 75-85 fps on 1440p across all platform on cyberpunk…🤷🏽♂️ at 1440p shouldn’t you be in 100 fps range…..$2k+ yea is not good….
4090 is made for 4k gaming. should tested in this and than you will see all CPU will perform equal maybe 0.5% or 1% because in 4k the GPU is start bottlenecking
@@joaobcc8744 acabo de ver y ninguno de los 2 tiene razón jajaja, una disculpa El 5800x3d está en rendimiento superior al 13600 pero no supera al 13600k, lo de amd ya me da flojera fijarme pero en gaming no se nota la diferencia entre el 7600 y 7700, puede que el 5800x3d igual esté al medio
I got the 7800x3d with a 6600xt and its a stable 360fps on fortnite dx12. insane cpu. i dont have enough for a 4080 yet so its still a tiny bit stuttery with the 6600xt but better than my 5600g
Hm hm.. did you heard about CCD ? Basically the 7900X3D has 2 ccd od 6cores, and only one of these ccd has 3D-vcache, that make it basically a 6cores cpu in games, while thz 7800x3d posses only one CCD of eight cores, that means there are 8 cores that profit from 3D-vcache, did i explain it well to you ?
Yea if you plan on only gaming it won’t be great in editing coding etc as its only has 3D cached cores but for gaming it beats its competitors at half the price
How to make Nvidia+intel looks good: buy 4090, i9 13900K and 4K monitor How to make AMD looks good? Buy 7900XTX, 7800X3D and 1080p monitor Lol if you really understand what i mean
Yea i get it 😂 it's funny too cuz my friend 7800x3d much slower when do recording whitout video card while my 7900x3d is much faster than him even without video card to record those game , this vid not include properly what he been using , trust me for future proof better go off with 7900x3d or 7950x3d than 7800x3d ✌️
7900x3d has 2x6 core chiplets (makeing the 12 cores), and only 1x 6 core chiplet can be used for gaming, its "effectively" a 6 core gaming cpu and 12 core for productivity. The 7800X3D has just the 1x8 core chiplet, so it uses all 8 cores for gaming all the time.
yea i bought one. a simple quick bios tweak and you can boost ALL of the cores to 5050Mhz without a sweat. The chip is a solid piece of hardware, AMD wins this round
What's fascinating about these benchmarks is the GPU utilization. In some cases 7800x3D is better than 13900k, in some cases 13900k can utilize 4090 better. Doesn't look like 7800x3D wins, because it still has bigger drops in 1% and 0.1%, and that's from many tests I saw. BUT...when cache works, it will yield better average and max fps, but not the lows, which will be perceived as severe stutter. 13900k is a better CPU, because it doesn't drop to low-low frames like 7800x3D, but 7800x3D beats out 13900k in higher FPS averages. I have 13900k, and I was going to build 7800x3D as secondary system, but watching benchmarks made me pull back on it, and I cancelled the order. I am waiting for AM6 cpus from AMD, because 7800x3D is great, but not better than 13900k. I am also bottlenecked by 13900k with 4090, even at 1440p. So, both AMD and Intel need to step up on IPC/single thread performance/core strength. Otherwise we will always limit our GPU, just like even 4080 is bottlenecked by 13900k in 1080p. That's no bueno, we need stronger CPUs to keep up with 4080/4090 and 7900XTX respectively
Mate, the 7800X3D is like 200+ cheaper but still beating the 13900K in games, what else do you want😅 The 7800X3D is a pure gaming CPU and is insane when doing that. But for overall work the 13900K is better but you pay for it.
Its funny that almost all of these youtube shitty test they have like 900000000000 billion dollar best of the best pc and then they make those fucking stupid 1080p test that no one cares. If you are about to buy 4090 and those high end processor then you should play most of the games 4k and bare minimum is 1440p ultra. I have 10 years old pc and i can play fullhd games with that pretty good.
@@aarion97 I do. But my solution (be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4) definitely wouldn't work in an ITX build. You'd have to go with a Noctua cooler like the NH-L12 Ghost. You'll have higher temps (as is expected with a less powerfull cooling solution), though.
In 4K you won't see any difference between all new upper class and high end CPUs because the graphics card is the limiting factor. An i5-13600K with an RTX 4090 will be just as fast as a 7950X3D, 7800X3D, 5800X3D or 13900K. Except maybe in toaster games like CounterStrike, but it doesn't matter if you have 600, 700 or 800 FPS anyway.
@@funzario144 No, it's exactly the opposite. In 4K, a CPU has less to do than in Full HD, so it's not shown, because you rightly said that a comparison between Ferrari and Trabant in the 30km/h zone doesn't make any sense. In 4K you would see almost no differences, the CPU comparisons are about what a CPU could theoretically do if the graphics card is fast enough or the graphics requirements are low. In Triple A games on 4K, the CPU almost doesn't matter because you're not going to get more than 100 FPS anyway. Except in Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, a Ryzen 5600 isn't even enough for constant 60 FPS, even in Full HD with a 4080, but that's rather the exception.
@@FINNdeischgut I absolutely agree with you. All the CPUs tested here, they perform almost about the same at high resolutions. 5800x3d worse in lower resolutions which is a clear stress test. But 4090 is an utter waste at 1080p, why should somebody do that? This is why I commented : 1080p is the 30kmh zone and 4090 is a Ferrari. At 1080p you should test a Trabant (i.e. RTX 3050, gtx 1660.). Tests should reflect the actual use of a GPU/CPU combo. Going to the low, unrealistic resolutions till your high end GPU is restricted by CPU does not necessarily reflect what gamers expect. Everybody I know would think I got insane if I would buy an I9 13900k /RTX 4090 for 1080p gaming, thus spending about 3000€ instead of 600€ to get almost the same result.
Anyone without a 4090 wont see that Kind off diffrence. It's probably the only card capable of saturating these cpus Limits at these resolutions. Any other GPU Eil have it close the quick especially at 1440p.
Ryzen is allways around 20% faster with the next gen.. 5800x3d uses slower ram tho, but its still preety close in performance.. It was released in the same year as intel 12 gen, and intel needed 13 gen to beat it.. for double the price..
@@jp4361 I think you mean what is the purpose of the processors, because at that resolution, it becomes more of the gpu's job to take care of it. Less burned on the cpu.
Me watching the marketing benchmarks with my 13900KS and 7800 DDR5 whitout OC i get in 1440P compared to 7800X3D more than an average of 21% more in all games you bench XD ! But of course people dunno bench CPU's with real optimistic and realistic reviews !
Because not all Cores + all Threads are a 100% used, as most games don't support that. They often just even use 4 - 8 cores, so a high single-core performance actually is often more important than man cores. So lets take the 5800x3d, it has 8 cores + 16 Threads, if only the 8 cores are full used, the CPU would be just at 33%
I m sooo glad that i bought the 7800x3d. The perfs are insane.
7800x3d efficiency is just insane
in 4k the 5800X3D and the 5800X3D are on pare this is 1080P showcase
Indeed!
@@chewbaccassecretlover12444 that's because they are the exact same CPU
@@chewbaccassecretlover12444 yes, the 7800X3D and the 7800X3D are on par as well in 4K
@@chewbaccassecretlover12444 omg 🤣 the 5800X3D and 5800X3D are on pare 🤣, you made me Fart out Loud because of Laughter
I've won a 7900x3d auction on eBay for £330. It's been OCd and UVd in bios with individual core curve. Gained around 23% boost in TimeSpy benchmark. No performance boost in cinebench r23 but temps at 78c max and power consumption is 114w.
If not this CPU at this price, I would only recommend the 7800x3d for am5 platforms.
you OCed a X3D cpu... thats fascinating lol The multiplier is kinda locked on those
@@krisiwanowski11I don't know about that, but in the mobo bios there was not option tho change a multiplier. But when set the curve, on cpu z went from around x48 to x52.5
@@krisiwanowski11 it's rather "half-locked" on 7000 series X3D chips.
5800X3D is the one that you can't do anything about, aside from undervolting it.
Very impressed by the 5800x3d. Holding higher minimums than the 13900k and 7800x3d and every bit as efficient as it's update. Probably would've gone for that if I could've built my PC again. Much cheaper. Could've bought the $1,300 GPU instead. Damn.
these are fake benchmarks
Intel is A LOT less efficient than AMD currently.
@@user-ux2dd9pp8x If you don't tune it.
@@user-ux2dd9pp8x you dont even know how wrong you are xD, think is that this days with modern engines CPU is not as important anymore that is why even 10900k or 3900x is good enough if you go 2k or 4k even in this benchmark you can see that fpses are in most tests shown limited by GPU not the CPU. there is not a single person that would biy any of that CPU to play 1080p so its irrelevant what you pick AMD or Intel, AMD has higher avg. FPS but Intel has much better stability and that is only difference between both brands for years, also Nvidia drivers are optimizes to work woth Intel CPU so if someone want to use DLSS and RayTracing AMD will be garbage and worthless, when for other people that want a simple mid range PC without all that fency good looking tech AMD is way to go and that will never change as when Intel is perfecting tech they sell AMD is running before they learn to walk that is why its been over 13 years now that they struggle with making a single driver that worked as it should that AMD has released from the times of FX series. so kinda brand does not matter at all this days as both companies has different approach to the market and focusing on different things, just like Mercedes is focusing on comfort and design with crappy runway results, BMW is focusing on Top Speed but is made of cheap parts interior looks cheap and comfort of driving compared to merc is questionable, and Audi is something in the middle in both aspects, and thats how it is, AMD is an Audi not good not bad but not best in any, where Intel is like Merc if you want stabiloty with all fency nice lookong tech active you have to go Intel+Nvidia. and. BMW part of top speed they always swap places from year to year from gen to gen, like it is in any market in the world simple race and thats the part thats not as important for 99%
@@ChudzikTomasz You really expect someone to read all that?
I'm basing what I said on the 3-4 videos I've seen comparing the efficiency, You I expect just copy pasted something from a website.
0:45 litterly thought i got a steam noti XD
Haha same I even opened up steam to check if someone dm me lol
5800xd is cool to me since its still Am4 socket and still a beast
The clock speeds are dialed down and it isn’t an Overclocking behemoth and that’s not what makes the X3D chips excel.The X3D has a massive cache. Certainly some games will work better with an overclocked Intel chip. But, CPU intensive games and simulators are showing large improvements with the 7800X3D Over the 13900k. Microsoft fight simulator being one of the prime examples of this. The 13900k can’t even come close in flight and driving sims. For those of us into flight simulation and racing, the 7800X3D is a clear winner. So much so that I just replaced my 13900k for a 7800X3D and wow! 1% lows, frame rates (30-50% improvement), and VR performance are noticeably better in MSFS and the overall experience, especially in VR, feels like a generational leap. I certainly don’t recommend folks go out and redo their entire system if they don’t need to, but if you are into large open world games (cpu bound) or racing/flight simulation then the 7800X3D is well worth the switch to AMD. The 7800X3D is also about $85 cheaper than the 13900k, so if you are upgrading the AMD setup can be a bit cheaper.
Just for reference I am running a MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090 and have 32 GB 6000 DDR 5 for the AMD setup. I was running the 13900k with DDR5 6600. Also worth noting is that I havent owned and AMD/ATI product since the early 2010s when I replaced my 512MB ATI GPU for an NVIDIA 670. LOL, how far we’ve come!
Got a few questions! Why'd you pick the liquid x over the air cooled suprim x? I'm looking at GPU aswell.
Which is better for 4k? A 7800X3D or 7900X3D?
@@kylehooker3710 I originally had a PNY 4090 because it was the first 4090 I found at MSRP. The PNY was fine, I just wanted a little more overclocking overhead and found the Liquid at MSRP. It’s a great looking card, but honestly the air cooled MSI Suprim is fine. The liquid actually limits installation options as well. For a little backstory, I was an EVGA loyalist for many years. When they dropped out of the GPU market, I really didn’t know which brand to choose, but I’m quite happy with the MSI.
As far as the AMD 7900X3D vs 7800X3D, I would get the 7800X3D if you are just gaming. The 7900X3D has two caches and more cores, but from what I read the dual cache causes some issues in gaming. The 7800X3D is a beast and has definitely outperformed the 13th gen Intel CPU it replaced. I am exclusively in 4k and high end VR with the Varjo Aero. The 7800X3D has been outstanding
Sadly, 40-50 fps drops with 7800x3D, compared to 13900k in many titles, resulting in stutter.
That frequency jumping sh is no good. Check Frame Chasers channel for more info on that. Also many benchmarks show that 13900k obliterates 7800x3D in 1% and 0.1% lows. While 7800x3D wins in average fps.
I bought 7800x3D and cancelled it, as a secondary system to my 13900k.
AM5 x3D chips have very similar issues as 5800x3D, too much jumping around in frequencies causes dips, and perhaps something AMD not telling us. Same issues at AM4 platform x3D. Sounds like Cache latency is there, and causes that.
Next 8000 series of AMD better solve this, because that's beyond noticeable in games. I struggled with drops on old Intel CPUs. AMD is not addressing it now. As not enough people talk about it. You have to be laser focused on those drops, if you like competitive games.
@@righteousone8454 that’s why I stuck to commenting on the performance improvements I saw in Flight Sim. 7800x3d is definitely better for flight and racing sims.
People really need to test Iracing, ACC, flight sun and DCS sim titles. As well as VR instead of games that came out 7 years ago
niche😥
Well, lets say the electricity company will write a thank you letter if you use intel cpu for gaming...
yeah also if you have a lightbulb in your house the government going to arrest you for using too much power
I guess you’ve never heard of undervolting. The 13900k can run at the same performance with a negative offset of -0.1. My intel CPU only consumes about 5W more than my old 5800x3d, and it performs better than stock.
This bench fake btw
@@SugaFree2387Right. My undervolted 13700K runs cool, quiet 5.8ghz and Smokes the 5800X3D.
While the efficiency is impressive on the 7800x3d. I doubt you're going to notice a significant difference in your electric bill for what looks like 10W-20W difference while gaming. If you're doing productivity, different story. But even if you are, why don't you have a R9 7950x at that point? Which consumes some nice power itself.
What monitoring software is this!? That overlay is so clean!?
What motherboard, RAM timings and speed, cooler are you susing for 5800X3D?
I dont regret buying my 5800x3d for $389 2 years ago. Its still got alot of life left in it. Crazy I have been on AM4 since Sep 2017! But I really want a 7950x3d. I find the dual chiplet setup really cool to use.
What motherboard, ram and ramspeed are you using on the 7800x3d?
• Motherboard AM5 ► ASUS Prime B650-PLUS ► amzn.to/3Uz2xSB
• Motherboard AM5 ► MSI PRO Z690-A ► amzn.to/417iYbc
• RAM ► Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 5600 MHz C36►
@@hardwareforgamers- so you are using a midrange board for the 7800x3d and you have those results? That's incredible... Best cpu ever
@@techgirl517 Motherboard does not matter, dude. the Z690A has more than enough power delivery. You don't need overdeveloped 300 dollar boards.....
@@Greez1337 Z690 is intel dude... I was talking about the B650 AMD.
@@techgirl517 all motherboards are equally fast. No difference at all. Expensive motherboard have just all kind of kinda useless that will not be used like wifi etc.
Indiscutivelmente o melhor processador para jogos até o presente momento!
thanks for including 1440p
Ur welcome he can include 32k resolution too bc this benchmark fake
@@kodakblack531 indeed
Is the 7900x3d so much worse because it uses a different array of chiplets?
How come you get so low fps in fortnite with a 4090 and 7800x3d combo? Shouldn’t it be sitting on 3-400 fps average on 1440p with rt off??
you are absolutely right
Im so curious how far we can push this. For example, upgrading to an X670E board with a 5th gen SSD. Also, I read that installing 4 sticks of dual memory also increase fps, but more importantly decreases drops, such as the 1% and 0.1% fps drops.
It doesnt work with these cpus only 2
@@blacklevo9989 do not use 4 ram, use 2 ram with ddr5. maybe read some websites
4 sticks of ram on the new platforms actually hurts performance. Stick with 2x 16Gb and you're good.
wants to see testing on 4K+120HZ >> i bet R97900x3d & I913900k will best other two options .. thanks for the video
what?
he tested in 4k haven't you watched the video?
The 7800x3d always won over the others and had more fps.
This means you lost your bet.
@@rolux4853
1080p = FullHD
1440p = WQHD
2160p = 4k
And NO..4k was not included in the video sadly!
i have a r9 3900x and 16gb of ram. i change my graphics card for a rx 7900 xtx.
i getting like 200 fps on apex on 1080p and warzone 100, in 3dmark in getting 19.879 score. i feel like have some kind of bottleneck with my cpu or ram.
Cpu bottleneck you need at least 7600x or 13600k for 7900xt. also this benchmark fake
Ddr4 get used 3200 cl14 or hp v10 ddr5 get cheap Hynix a die from Ali bamba look up the oem sticks that reach 8000+ mhz that model number
Tao bao
For gaming, ryzen 9 7900x3d is better or ryzen 7 7800x3d?
7800x3d
Can you do the same test with the 7900xtx?
I'm waiting for my 4090 and 7800x3d lets gooo
bad deal. Why didnt you go for 7900x3d version? costs 60$ more, and you get more performance? 7900x costs the same as 7800x3d and has better specs.
in that sense if you went for 7700x or 7900x it'd be cheaper and better value for the money
@@knightnxk2906 on my country it costs alot more to go for a 7900x3d (that is actually worse then the 7800x3d) or 7950x3d and I've got a nice deal for the 7800x3d, btw I'm only using my pc for gaming so it was pointless to go on the higher ones and having all the ccd's problems.
@@knightnxk2906 uhh, the 7800x3d is quite a bit better than the 12 core variant. Where did you even get the idea otherwise?>
@@knightnxk2906 in terms of gaming the 7900x3d doesn't make much sense, because it has only 6 cores running on X3D compared to the 7800X3D which has 8 cores, so literally 33% more X3D Cores.
And by far the most people never even make any use of the + 4 extra cores of the 7900x3d anyway.
@@derek4177 lmao obviously. it adds nothing to gaming alone.
In your list your a listing for your test system:- MSI PRO Z690-A listed as an Motherboard AM5 when it should be Motherboard INTEL Z690
Anyone recognize what overlay is used in this video?
nobody really bats an eye when it's Intel/NVIDIA who's running hotter while also pulls in more power, but everyone loses their minds when it's AMD who does it.
Ryzen 7900x3D is clocked at 5GHz. it should be at 5.6GHz
no point comparing these two CPUs otherwise. Yeah they have difference in L3 Cache, but there is barely enough difference in real world with already enough L3 Cache.
The 5.6 GHZ is the CCD without 3D vcache. The one with it is 5.0GHZ
@@ThanosIsLove i made an error it should say 7800x3d.
yea if you want 3d cache on higher chips, you gotta disable ccd to get more performance than 7800x3d otherwise in games they have relatively same performance which is the biggest bullshit i've seen.
@@knightnxk2906 Then your comment is still confusing because the 7800x3D can't go above 5GHz
@knightnxk2906 I see what you are saying. The 7800x3d still cannot go above 5.0 ghz but it is surprising that for half the price of the 7950x3d you can have the same performance without all the nonsense software tweaking. Average people want plug and play and with the 7900x3d/7950x3d, you won't get the full performance without tweaking.
@@ThanosIsLove that's exactly what i mean as well. you get the performance of higher end 12+core chips in gaming, you would get the performance with higher end chips, but if you wanted more, you'd need to go and tweak them and disable some stuff to surpass 7800x3d.
Would be nice to see gpu usage
Look at the Rtx 4090 graph
Lembrando que o i9 custa 1.1k a mais que o R7 7800x3d
Interesting gpu power consumption, if used 5800x3D then 350W, if 7900x3D then 380W even at same FPS (cyberpunk at 1440p)
How is the 7950x higher clocked but slower than 7800x, both temperatures are ok
Because of latency between two chiplets. 7800 has just one chiplet and it can reach the whole cache at once.
Because of the 3D V-Cache. The 7950X doesn't have it.
Cieżko mi uwierzyć że procesor za 1800zł jest lepszy od procesora za prawie 3000zł
why are the 1% and .1% fps so low?!
Is it worth it to trade my 7900x3D for a 7800X3D?
7800x3d for games only .. but 7900x3d is for multitasking desktop usage .. u can do rendering, coding, streaming and gaming .. personally im going with r9 7900x3d for sure
Can you stream properly with a 7800x3D?
I think a 4080 is the limit of an 5800X3D
If so, that's pretty fucking high limit though.
Por q el ryzen 7 7800x3d rinde mejor q el ryzen 9 7900 X3d?
If someone buys a 4090 it's to play with RT and DLSS on. Hence some unrealistic benchmark settings.
dlss hurts image quality slightly while boosting performance though, i personally would like both to show but its also better imo to show the raw power since some games might not have dlss
The 7900x3d is in a weird space. If I understand correctly, the 7900x3d basically becomes a 6 core processor with 3d v cache when gaming since the cores are split into two 6 core ccds. So it's basically a 7600x3d if you use it for gaming. Which I would suspect is why it isn't faster than the 7800x3d.
As soneone that wants gaming performance but also would like more cores for productivity work, the 7950x3d seems like a safe bet. But it's so damn expensive. I've never had this much trouble trying to decide which CPU to buy. 7800x3d seems like a no brainer if you're just gaming. But for people like me that could use the extra cores it makes the decision really difficult. Thoughts?
I have the 7900X3D paired with a 7900XTX.
6 cores is the minimum I'd have for gaming these days, but I record, stream, video edit and render for the fun of it so I wanted the extra cores to assist with that without compromising my game FPS or consistency. 7950X3D is more of a full on professional CPU of which I'd never be able to fully utilise that kind of power with what I do.
If AMD made a budget 7600X3D, I think that'd be an amazing entry level gaming CPU
@@AxleLotl Entry level gaming cpu :)7600X3D . Damn. You set the bar kinda high there.
@@mv223 Not really, being a specialist CPU doesn't mean it isn't entry level.
@@AxleLotl Ok :)
@@AxleLotl peopIe might disagree but to me the intel 12100 is the best entry level gaming CPU. its far cheaper than the 7600 non x and is more than good enough to do the job most of the time. majority of gamers play esports titles that dont require a 6 core CPU. an intel quad core from the previous gen is adequate enough. also, if youre just gonna waste time playing games, its better to do so with a cheap and good enough CPU. you can also upgrade in the future to a better 12 or 13th gen CPU, or a 13th gen refresh. it is a myth that you need very good CPUs and GPUs for gaming. majority of gamers are fine with a good enough low end CPU and a decent low to mid range GPU. esports titles dont require impressive computer specs.
im not an intel fanboy btw. i use a ryzen 7600. its pretty good and i dont regret buying one, but for gaming i could have gotten a much cheaper-yet good enough entry level gaming CPU like the intel 12100
I m in phase “new pc building “
ASU’s rog motherboard
4090
Ddr5
But can u help me ? 7800x3d or 7950 x3d not a money problem just what is better for GAMING…this pc is 90% gaming rest work
Tnx
7800X3D tbh.
I was too impatient to wait for the 7950X3D to come into stock or for the 7800X3D to finally release.
But 8 cores is great for gaming, there's only 1 CCD so there's less communication lag and the 5.0Ghz boost clock is plenty fast enough for light professional workloads
5800x3d only lossing like 10-20fps and it has the lowest clock speed of 4.5 lol
i am happy that i bought the 7800x3d
A 4090 is criminal for only 75-85 fps on 1440p across all platform on cyberpunk…🤷🏽♂️ at 1440p shouldn’t you be in 100 fps range…..$2k+ yea is not good….
do you have 4k version?
In 4k the graphics card has the biggest workload so you can expect the same from the processors.
4090 is made for 4k gaming. should tested in this and than you will see all CPU will perform equal maybe 0.5% or 1% because in 4k the GPU is start bottlenecking
Increíble lo competitivo que se mantiene el 5800X3D.
Prácticamente al nivel de un 7700X o 13700K
Stupid😂😂😂
Como mucho le llega al 13600 y 7600 sin la k ni la x
@@velk_wanggoudan 13600K/7700
Considera que supera al 12900K y este es equivalente al 13600
@@joaobcc8744 acabo de ver y ninguno de los 2 tiene razón jajaja, una disculpa
El 5800x3d está en rendimiento superior al 13600 pero no supera al 13600k, lo de amd ya me da flojera fijarme pero en gaming no se nota la diferencia entre el 7600 y 7700, puede que el 5800x3d igual esté al medio
I got the 7800x3d with a 6600xt and its a stable 360fps on fortnite dx12. insane cpu. i dont have enough for a 4080 yet so its still a tiny bit stuttery with the 6600xt but better than my 5600g
ima get the 7800x3d i have the 4070 already, then when 50 series comes out. ima get the 4090
@@creed1741 yeah i think im getting the 4070 too because i dont think you really need anything more than a 4060 or 4070 with the 7800x3d
Now you need a better GPU :P
Get a 7900xtx
>360 fps
>stuttery
Was this with the 7800x3d overclocked or with stock speeds?
It is stock, you can see the speeds of each CPU on each screen as each runs live.
@@njasicko nah it's not stock it has aftermarket fake benchmark speeds enabled
@@kodakblack531 agree this vid kinda bias for those result
Why that temperature on i9? dont have sense.
so with raytracing on i can run nearly the same fps in 1440P with my 5800x3d. thx ;). i wait for 9800X3d. Who needs a 4090 without raytracing?
The real loser here is the 7900 x3d, amd kinda dropped the ball.
Nice. How is ryzen 7 7800x3d better than 7900x3d ????
Seems like the non v-cache CCD wasn't disabled looking at these numbers, so it's basically a 7600X at that point.
wtf with 7900x3d, I don`t understand why fps lower than 7800x3d? 7900x3d has more core, more L3 cache
90% of all youtube benchmark videos are not real my friend
Hm hm.. did you heard about CCD ? Basically the 7900X3D has 2 ccd od 6cores, and only one of these ccd has 3D-vcache, that make it basically a 6cores cpu in games, while thz 7800x3d posses only one CCD of eight cores, that means there are 8 cores that profit from 3D-vcache, did i explain it well to you ?
Something wrong with this test, 7900x3d is performing worse than 7800x3d !
its correct
You think a 4080 will be good with a 7800x3d
Yea if you plan on only gaming it won’t be great in editing coding etc as its only has 3D cached cores but for gaming it beats its competitors at half the price
How to make Nvidia+intel looks good: buy 4090, i9 13900K and 4K monitor
How to make AMD looks good? Buy 7900XTX, 7800X3D and 1080p monitor
Lol if you really understand what i mean
Yea i get it 😂 it's funny too cuz my friend 7800x3d much slower when do recording whitout video card while my 7900x3d is much faster than him even without video card to record those game , this vid not include properly what he been using , trust me for future proof better go off with 7900x3d or 7950x3d than 7800x3d ✌️
@@mightybro439Now in English
4k?
Test in 4k with big GPU 😁
How can 7900x3d be slower then 7800x3d?
7900x3d has 2x6 core chiplets (makeing the 12 cores), and only 1x 6 core chiplet can be used for gaming, its "effectively" a 6 core gaming cpu and 12 core for productivity. The 7800X3D has just the 1x8 core chiplet, so it uses all 8 cores for gaming all the time.
yea i bought one. a simple quick bios tweak and you can boost ALL of the cores to 5050Mhz without a sweat. The chip is a solid piece of hardware, AMD wins this round
what do you tweak in the bios to get these clocks?
@@dmbX3D ruclips.net/video/90UBUq1mLGY/видео.html
Enjoy the stutters
@@iDTecKt smooth as butter so far with multiple games tested .
Haters gonna hate
@@dabagz1 I bet you dont even own a PC lol
5800x3D ftw
So happy with my 7800X3D and RTX 4090 😂💪🏼
I regret buying the 7900x3d
OMG 5800x3D is over 30% slower.
What's fascinating about these benchmarks is the GPU utilization. In some cases 7800x3D is better than 13900k, in some cases 13900k can utilize 4090 better.
Doesn't look like 7800x3D wins, because it still has bigger drops in 1% and 0.1%, and that's from many tests I saw.
BUT...when cache works, it will yield better average and max fps, but not the lows, which will be perceived as severe stutter.
13900k is a better CPU, because it doesn't drop to low-low frames like 7800x3D, but 7800x3D beats out 13900k in higher FPS averages.
I have 13900k, and I was going to build 7800x3D as secondary system, but watching benchmarks made me pull back on it, and I cancelled the order.
I am waiting for AM6 cpus from AMD, because 7800x3D is great, but not better than 13900k. I am also bottlenecked by 13900k with 4090, even at 1440p. So, both AMD and Intel need to step up on IPC/single thread performance/core strength. Otherwise we will always limit our GPU, just like even 4080 is bottlenecked by 13900k in 1080p. That's no bueno, we need stronger CPUs to keep up with 4080/4090 and 7900XTX respectively
Mate, the 7800X3D is like 200+ cheaper but still beating the 13900K in games, what else do you want😅 The 7800X3D is a pure gaming CPU and is insane when doing that. But for overall work the 13900K is better but you pay for it.
Did you even watch the video? All of these games save one have lower 1% and 0.1% framerates on the 13900k
FAKE TEST in CP2077 i9 13900k better
Why they insist that gamers going to play on 1080p?
Its funny that almost all of these youtube shitty test they have like 900000000000 billion dollar best of the best pc and then they make those fucking stupid 1080p test that no one cares. If you are about to buy 4090 and those high end processor then you should play most of the games 4k and bare minimum is 1440p ultra. I have 10 years old pc and i can play fullhd games with that pretty good.
i would love to roast my eggs on a 7800x3d DIE. Maybe my egg goes 3D.
Good luck with that. My 7800X3D never goes above 65°C. Even when stress testing.
@@Finckelstein Do you use air cooling? I’m trying to build ITX PC
@@aarion97 I do. But my solution (be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4) definitely wouldn't work in an ITX build. You'd have to go with a Noctua cooler like the NH-L12 Ghost.
You'll have higher temps (as is expected with a less powerfull cooling solution), though.
@@Finckelstein okey =)
7950x3d He died, so there is no comparison😂
The 7950x3d is not even mentioned anywhere in this video Pepega.
VALORANT AND CS ARE THE MOST PLAYED GAMES IN THE WORLD AND YOU DON'T INCLUDE IT IN YOUR VIDEOS, WHAT BUBBLE DO YOU LIVE IN?
Fortnite are the most played Game. But I will include Valorant in future benchmarks
I fucking hate all the channels only showing how it works on 4090.
With which GPU would you like to see it?
And 1080p
They do that to absolutely bottleneck the shit out of the processors. it's done on purpose.
fake
What about 4k stats? 1440p and rtx4090 is not really meant to be.
In 4K you won't see any difference between all new upper class and high end CPUs because the graphics card is the limiting factor. An i5-13600K with an RTX 4090 will be just as fast as a 7950X3D, 7800X3D, 5800X3D or 13900K. Except maybe in toaster games like CounterStrike, but it doesn't matter if you have 600, 700 or 800 FPS anyway.
@@FINNdeischgut Wrong
@@FINNdeischgut This is the point you do not show a Ferrari vs a Trabant in a 30kmh zone.
@@funzario144 No, it's exactly the opposite. In 4K, a CPU has less to do than in Full HD, so it's not shown, because you rightly said that a comparison between Ferrari and Trabant in the 30km/h zone doesn't make any sense. In 4K you would see almost no differences, the CPU comparisons are about what a CPU could theoretically do if the graphics card is fast enough or the graphics requirements are low. In Triple A games on 4K, the CPU almost doesn't matter because you're not going to get more than 100 FPS anyway. Except in Star Wars Jedi: Survivor, a Ryzen 5600 isn't even enough for constant 60 FPS, even in Full HD with a 4080, but that's rather the exception.
@@FINNdeischgut I absolutely agree with you. All the CPUs tested here, they perform almost about the same at high resolutions. 5800x3d worse in lower resolutions which is a clear stress test. But 4090 is an utter waste at 1080p, why should somebody do that? This is why I commented : 1080p is the 30kmh zone and 4090 is a Ferrari. At 1080p you should test a Trabant (i.e. RTX 3050, gtx 1660.). Tests should reflect the actual use of a GPU/CPU combo. Going to the low, unrealistic resolutions till your high end GPU is restricted by CPU does not necessarily reflect what gamers expect. Everybody I know would think I got insane if I would buy an I9 13900k /RTX 4090 for 1080p gaming, thus spending about 3000€ instead of 600€ to get almost the same result.
fake benchmarks
Interesting that 5800x3d won in nearly every game. Who cares about avg fps? Oldest CPU here produced slightly higher 1% lows.
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5800 almost looks 2 gen old hell it's like a GPU difference
Anyone without a 4090 wont see that Kind off diffrence. It's probably the only card capable of saturating these cpus Limits at these resolutions. Any other GPU Eil have it close the quick especially at 1440p.
@@SCYN0 If you play 4k what is the purpose of that 4090card then the fps result are almost identical all of those prosessors.
Ryzen is allways around 20% faster with the next gen.. 5800x3d uses slower ram tho, but its still preety close in performance.. It was released in the same year as intel 12 gen, and intel needed 13 gen to beat it.. for double the price..
@@jp4361 I think you mean what is the purpose of the processors, because at that resolution, it becomes more of the gpu's job to take care of it. Less burned on the cpu.
13900k at 5100mhz clock 😂😂
no processor can load rtx 4090 at 100 percent 😁
Yet
2 words, Raptor Lake!
What about 4K and RT?
Intel pentium once handled 18 of the rtx 3090 😂
It's a CPU test, not the GPU test, so I bet the setting are set to low/medium
Intel cpus are held back by slower ram, same with ryzen, should have used 6000 cl30 minimum.
The 3DV cache cpus Profit the most off those tight Timings it's amazing
@@SCYN0 Yup
Me watching the marketing benchmarks with my 13900KS and 7800 DDR5 whitout OC i get in 1440P compared to 7800X3D more than an average of 21% more in all games you bench XD ! But of course people dunno bench CPU's with real optimistic and realistic reviews !
lol 😃
I’d swap 5800x3d with 7950x and 7900x3d with 7950x3d. 13900K is okay though 13900KS is preferable.
for that price? hell no
And with faster memory and cpu frequency intel is still faster…..
And much less power efficient
@@caveteethjoe if you play 8 hours a day that is extra 24 dollars per year in the usa. Lol it’s not that serious
R7 7800X3D power
Whey the cpu's and gpu's usage are so low? cpu in 25% or 30% and gpu not much higher than 50% most of the time?????? What is causing that?
Because not all Cores + all Threads are a 100% used, as most games don't support that. They often just even use 4 - 8 cores, so a high single-core performance actually is often more important than man cores.
So lets take the 5800x3d, it has 8 cores + 16 Threads, if only the 8 cores are full used, the CPU would be just at 33%
I9 go hot so fast wtf
did a good choice with my 13600K🩵
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