Reason to use the Baton XD is that it also does real time expansion (in addition to time division), so you can see the spectrograms in MUCH more detal compared to the frequency division only. In the above videos (and with other frequency division methods) you cannot see enough detail to see shape of the call. Also, as a bonus, the XD is designed to connect direclty to a smarthone with a standard 4pin 3.5mm jack to jack - so no spitter needed.
Hi Tom, would it be possible for you to put up an updated kit list on here, perhaps using Amazon as it's so good for delivery. Some of the product links are no longer active. Thanks
Hi really enjoyed the presentation. Could you possibly provide more info on the attenuation cable and also would you happen to know if there was one with a lightening termination. It would really help. Cheers David c
Would I be correct in saying the frequency detection in spectral view is limited to between 0 - 21khz ?Is there an app that covers a range up to 112khz?
That is correct, but in the example the bat detector is dividing the frequency by 10. So a bat call going into the detector at 50khz, goes into the phone at 5khz, meaning the phone can hear it. No phone can record natively far beyond human hearing
...I think you'll find the Magenta 5 is heterodyne only, all the actual frequency of the call is lost in making the bat calls audible. You'd need a more expensive detector capable of frequency division (or even better, full spectrum) to display the required on a sonogram.
Hello Tom, I consider buying the Batbox Baton, original not the XD version, in order to use it on my Android smartphone. While the original version is really affordable (100€) but made to be used with a laptop to see the spectrogram, the XD version is ready-to-use with any smartphone but way more expensive (+300€). As the principle of the original version is to send a signal from the device line out to the laptop line in, I guess I could just change the laptop by my smartphone, right ? Not sure that would work, but on the paper that should... what are your thoughts Tom ? If you think that would work, a single jack cable should be enough as it only sends a FD signal ? Hope to read your answer soon. Regards, Laurent
DreamPetrucci51 Exactly. In fact I was thinking of doing the very same. There is no need to get the new Baton in order to connect to your smartphone as far as I can see. Since the output is frequency division only you would not need the stereo to mono splitter that I use in this video. However you would likely still need the other cable (attenuation cable, the white one in the video). Let us know how you get on! Tom
Hello Tom. Can you send me a link for buying of attenuating cable? Or what is exactly the name of this cable? I couldnT find any on ebay or amazone.. :-(
Hi Keith, As you can see from the video you can record to your phone in spectrum view but the android app I show does not record. If you want to record the audio any normal audio recording app should do it but you won't get the nice visualisations Tom
Im having trouble finding the attenuating cable.. has anyone found a reasonable one on ebay or amazon they could link for me (as the link is no longer available) Thanks 😊
Excellent. Your video answers several questions commonly asked by those who wish to advance in the hobby, etc.
Reason to use the Baton XD is that it also does real time expansion (in addition to time division), so you can see the spectrograms in MUCH more detal compared to the frequency division only. In the above videos (and with other frequency division methods) you cannot see enough detail to see shape of the call. Also, as a bonus, the XD is designed to connect direclty to a smarthone with a standard 4pin 3.5mm jack to jack - so no spitter needed.
Hi Tom, would it be possible for you to put up an updated kit list on here, perhaps using Amazon as it's so good for delivery. Some of the product links are no longer active. Thanks
Yeah, it's all a bit out of date. Not sure I'll find the time any time soon to make the updates though
So using only an ordinary aux cable one can not record the bat frequency at all ?
I had problems when I tried to do that, and it seemed to be because of the power signal that the mobile was trying to send.
Hi really enjoyed the presentation. Could you possibly provide more info on the attenuation cable and also would you happen to know if there was one with a lightening termination. It would really help. Cheers David c
I've updated the link to the cable
Would I be correct in saying the frequency detection in spectral view is limited to between 0 - 21khz ?Is there an app that covers a range up to 112khz?
That is correct, but in the example the bat detector is dividing the frequency by 10. So a bat call going into the detector at 50khz, goes into the phone at 5khz, meaning the phone can hear it. No phone can record natively far beyond human hearing
Would this work with the Magenta 5?
Yes it should do. You won't need the stereo to mono splitter though since the headphone output on the magenta 5 is solely frequency division.
Tom August thank you so much for the reply wasn’t expecting one!
...I think you'll find the Magenta 5 is heterodyne only, all the actual frequency of the call is lost in making the bat calls audible. You'd need a more expensive detector capable of frequency division (or even better, full spectrum) to display the required on a sonogram.
Thank you - I found that very interesting
Hello Tom,
I consider buying the Batbox Baton, original not the XD version, in order to use it on my Android smartphone.
While the original version is really affordable (100€) but made to be used with a laptop to see the spectrogram, the XD version is ready-to-use with any smartphone but way more expensive (+300€). As the principle of the original version is to send a signal from the device line out to the laptop line in, I guess I could just change the laptop by my smartphone, right ?
Not sure that would work, but on the paper that should... what are your thoughts Tom ?
If you think that would work, a single jack cable should be enough as it only sends a FD signal ?
Hope to read your answer soon.
Regards,
Laurent
DreamPetrucci51 Exactly. In fact I was thinking of doing the very same. There is no need to get the new Baton in order to connect to your smartphone as far as I can see. Since the output is frequency division only you would not need the stereo to mono splitter that I use in this video. However you would likely still need the other cable (attenuation cable, the white one in the video). Let us know how you get on!
Tom
Hello Tom. Can you send me a link for buying of attenuating cable? Or what is exactly the name of this cable? I couldnT find any on ebay or amazone.. :-(
I have updated the link now
Hello, is there a way of recording the same data onto the mobile phone? Thanks
Hi Keith,
As you can see from the video you can record to your phone in spectrum view but the android app I show does not record. If you want to record the audio any normal audio recording app should do it but you won't get the nice visualisations
Tom
will this work with a magenta 4?
Yes
Im having trouble finding the attenuating cable.. has anyone found a reasonable one on ebay or amazon they could link for me (as the link is no longer available) Thanks 😊
I updated the link