The Populist Lie in 3D Printing
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- 3D Printers are machines. They aren't a social movement. How did people get so spun up about a brand of 3D Printers thinking it was going to change the world or something?
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What an unhinged video. As someone who doesn't own a Prusa (my Taz5 is still going strong 7 years later), I much rather support a US or European company than ANOTHER Chinese device if my current printer died on me. No thanks. We all own way too many Chinese products as it is. Whether true or not, I feel one would get better support from Prusa or some other US or Euro based company than some fly-by-night operation in China. Plus the sheer size of the Prusa userbase makes me think you can find better info out there if you do run into a problem that can you can't figure out by yourself. If someone is just trying to churn out random BS videos just to get people to comment and beat the YT algorithm, then at least be upfront with us because the alternative is that someone had a narrative that they came up with to fill 18 mins of video and milked that idea to death coming up with bogus comparisons. I watch this channel once in a while but this all sounds like a meltdown video about a topic that is an over stretch.
I watched the whole thing and didn't know exactly what his point was. Does he not like Prusa politics? He dropped in liberal/conservative stuff. Firearms stances etc.
In the end it was unfocused and he seemed to take a swipe at a popular company because they are successful? 🤨
@@No0o0o0o0o0 He has some kind of beef with Prusa. A lot of his videos are just ranting about Josef Prusa, how he needs to have his name on everything and so on. He also thinks Prusa is paying bot farms to downvote his videos and attack him in the comments.
@@ulaB He responded to me earlier. This is the first video of his I've seen since YT recommended it so I was unprepared for the rant.
I have no dog in this fight and I do not own a prusa device or get caught up in the political stances of business owners. I subbed for now and if there are interesting topics I'll stick around.
Thank you for clarification.
@@ulaB oh boy. Sounds like he's confusing Prusa for Musk. I predict this video will be taken down after he watches it and realizes how insane this video sounds.
You do realise that Prusa is not chinese?
I appreciate the effort and information you share in vids like this, however I reeeaally like your tech related videos. The way you broke down the good and bad of a product, and were not a "fan boy". I do hope at somepoint this "situation", with prusa and assoc will be a thing of the past for you..... Best wishes for a possitive future.
"Prusa is not a social movement." I truly hope that no one with any sense believes that Prusa is a social movement... Prusa, like any company, just wants my money and, to be fair, I've given them plenty. Their printers were decent and easy to use back when I was looking for a FDM printer that was decent and easy to use and, surprisingly, I found their filament to be far superior to the other stuff I was finding online at the same price point back when I was printing FDM (though those shipping costs from Poland were something in of themselves).
Marketing gimmicks, and seeing through marketing gimmicks, is part of being a consumer in our late-game capitalist system and culture. Words like "community", "inclusivity", and "open-source" have been buzz words in most marketing circles for a long time (I know in IT, it's been a huge thing for over a decade). A good marketing strategy is to pander to your target market and try to make your target market feel like you are genuine in your pandering (heck, if you believe something long enough, sometimes it becomes true anyways). That said, people buy things that make them feel good and, if something makes someone feel good and it doesn't hurt someone else, that sounds like something that I can get behind.
I think the problem comes about when our modern social media consumption paradigm and "politicalization" of all things sneaks into our hobby space. Ideology and hobbies SHOULD NOT go hand-in-hand. Hobbies are something that are supposed to be fun and, dare I say, should be something that can unite people in similarity despite their background, religious political beliefs, or how they vote at the ballot box.
We are emotional creatures but it would do us well to focus on the positive emotion that our hobbies provide us. If a hobby is truly something to enjoy and savor then it's probably best with our hobbies to check our ideologies at the door and just enjoy the activity of creation.
And, as Wreck It Ralph 2 so concisely said, always remember: "First rule of the Internet: Do not read the comments". :)
I love it when you find a well thought out, emotionally checked comment. There are still beautiful minds out there! Such a good display of understanding!
The videos where you did with designing and prototyping were really great, but the switch to nonsense politics and paranoia are really a downer. You’re really emotional about all of this and it’s just not interesting to watch anymore. I hope you get back to the good stuff relevant to your audience, but until then I’m going to have to unsubscribe.
Hahaha!
This is a rare level of cope and projection. The amount of self-awareness is so low I think it's actually negative.
Prusa that just wants my money! Say it isn't so! I couldn't have possibly known that!
I guess that makes me a fanboy now.
Hahaha. 😅😂 You should bag and sell all that salt.
Sheesh, I used to kinda like your videos, didnt know you went off the deep end
Alex jones moment lol
This is f****** crazy. You're trying way too hard man. How much to position the Qidi in the background while you read your essay?
why do you keep ranting against prusa? scrwe em. move on. lol
Table saws did change the world.
It was a huge democratization for woodworking.
Spoken like somebody who never made a table by hand.
This whole video is so terrible, I'm watching it for the same reasons I like to watch trains crash.
>Table saws did change the world.
I must insist that you back up this claim. I've never seen any evidence suggesting so. You can't just make an assertion and have it be true because it fits your narrative.
@@DesignPrototypeTest You mean like you did I didn't see any of your evidence.
Rules for thee but not for me.
My evidence is how many professional carpenters do you know without a table saw? Maybe there's a reason for that. An obvious reason.
Just like a maker bro to tell a carpenter how to do his job.
But thank you for confirming my hypothesis about your level of self-awareness. Keep throwing those stones from your glass house.
@@DesignPrototypeTest ...said immediately after posting a wild narrative packed with evidence-free assertions.
@@DesignPrototypeTest This guy is being an absolute jerk; but If I may play devil's advocate for a sec, purely on the point of the table saw..
You're asking for evidence from his disagreement with your statement, that you made without evidence. And I don't think either of you can even have evidence because the concept of "change the world" is far to broad and nebulous in the first place.
I think we can all agree that it's certainly had an impact. Every explanation I've ever seen of woodworking defines table saws as the first major step and most integral tool. I've heard several Woodworkers explicitly say that it's the most important. Modern houses simply wouldn't exist without it. But figuring out whether it "changed the world", for either side, is both impossible and, well.. usless.
I agree with a lot of your video. I'm a subscriber and enjoy a lot of your content. However, I don't think the table saw thing, in particular, was very strong point to make.
I love my table saw, but I could use 3 other tools to do the same job for less money and floor space... the TS just does it differently. I guess you could say it may have because an aspiring musician lost their ability to change the world with music (Bill and Ted style) when they lopped off their finger... Damn You SawStop for not being invented sooner!
Wow... hate Prusa much? Seriously, is this meant to be a click bait video? Or do you just need an outlet for your hate?
Honestly, I think you need a break from whatever silo/bubble you are living in. As someone new to the community (2 years), I did not get this Prusa overlord 'save the world' vibe at all. In fact, I never even paid any attention to Prusa for the first 1.5 years I was in the community; and their name came up very rarely. I only paid any attention to them since the XL drop; which I"m not completely sold on. And the contemporary use of 'maker' FAR exceeds Prusa's time.
Maybe unplug from the 'community' for a bit my guy.
I love, LOVE IT! when you ideologues don't watch my whole video and leave a comment thinking "GOTCHA" but I predicted you in the video which you didn't watch: ruclips.net/video/W01lo9ZeOhk/видео.html
I'm not a member of the community. Again, watch the video. I'm just trying to help people save money. They should not give their money to Prusa because they are under some misguided notion that Prusa as a company stands for anything larger than Josef's ego. Despite your accusations it's not hate driving my motivations. It's a desire to help people so that they don't feel burned and as a result hate the hobby.
Thanks for the personal testimony /s. I don't believe for a second that you are who you say you are. You clearly know how to make videos so I challenge you to make one showing us your face and letting us hear your voice. Give your testimony in that way and maybe I'll start to think you are an honest actor and not a shill or sock puppet.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Dude.... nobody believes that Prusa is a political or social movement. You didn't even provide any evidence of such. This video is just your opinion. How do we know you are not a schill or paid actor sent to attack Prusa?
See how crazy this hill gets? You need to get off and take a break my guy. For most of the world, we buy printers because they are TOOLS. Nothing more, nothing less. One of my tools used to say Creality on it (modded the hell out of my Ender 3 Pro), the other has a Voron logo. But you probably won't believe that because you are in too deep in what I've noticed is an EXTREMELY toxic community.
I really had hoped to see another good technical video from you instead of another shouting. If you feel as you stated, then you should really just stop talking about Prusa, since you are giving them more visibility by mentioning them over and over again. Even if you spread negative publicity, it's still publicity and hence pointing more people towards them and (numerous) other sources which will contradict your message and hence undermine your intent. To be honest, I hadn't looked at anything about Prusa for months - ok, in some videos (ex. CNC Kitchen) the guy behind it might have been using a Prusa and shortly mention it, but I normally barely notice that - BUT ... this video totally brought the name Prusa to the foreground again. Now, since *I* am already convinced that for me a Prusa is indeed overpriced, it will have little effect on me, but some other people might just get pushed towards Prusa fan-sites by this.
But, I also believe that if others want to spent so much money on basically an outdated printer-design, then let them. And I also understand that a company / marketing department will (or even has to) try to put everything they sell into the most positive light - that's what a company is supposed to do: optimize profit (and to that purpose also its image). And if that company then also gives some stuff back to us (as Ultimaker with Cura and Prusa with PrusaSlicer and lately Printables.com) then I actually hope they do make some profit so that also the money they spend on that "giving back" keeps coming.
In short: I'd really love seeing some more technical stuff from you again and that you just mentally block out Prusa - they're definately not worth the stress they seem to be invoking on you and those who subscribed to you for your technical videos (like me) will probably not miss it if you just serve Prusa the silent treatment.
Maybe this will attract some people to Prusa, but when I was in the market for a printer and was completely new to 3D printing, it seemed like a difficult decision to choose a Prusa versus an Ender 3 (or clone of). After watching a few of DPT's videos, he kind of lifted Prusa's veil of hype and egotism that I hadn't noticed. This made the decision of which kind of printer to buy more more clear for me.
@@yeroca I never found it difficult. With that price difference and just checking that an Ender 3 was basically a good and affordable first step, the choice seemed obvious to me. Now, with Bambu Labs entering the market, that seems a more difficult choice than the aging Prusas, but for beginners that also want to tinker, I'd still go for the good old Ender 3 (not even the 2 or S1 or whatever). Start with the basics and then decide whether the hobby is for you and what you want for your next printer.
Lose the air quotes and awkward camera angles.
I was disappointed that I shall not get those 18 minutes and 18 seconds back.
Please, seek help. Surely your medical insurance covers mental health?
Yikes, what a turn for the worst. I just got into 3D printing cause I wanted to make cool stuff, and you were helping me on that track, but a video like this just.... takes away from the whole experience of your channel.
Please bear in mind this is coming from someone that owns an Ender 3 Pro and a Fokoos Odin 5 F3, not someone that has a Prusia.
Understood.
Don’t let anyone tell you that Prusa is bad. This man does not know what he is talking about. They have some of the best and reliable printers which is crazy to say even after the printers have been out for years and years.
@@Minionbro360 not the best. Have you taken a look at bambu?
@@morbus5726 I have looked at Bambi, but they have just recently came into market and they still have software bugs and errors. Preorders are still going for that machine. Really cool machine though. Might get one.
This is too hard core I have other things to worry about
Take your meds and watch less Jordan Peterson
PrusaSlicer anyone? There's an open source contribution!
Joseph does seem a bit ego-centric, but it's hardly a game of elites vs the downtrodden population. After all, in the face of the competition from Creality and many others, the i3 is priced like a luxury item (think entry level for a MacBook vs the plethora of reasonable computers priced well south of there). And he's having fun with it! We all have to work, so if you're able to start a company and enjoy the limelight, go for it!
I really like your videos and listening to your opinions, I find them very informative. But I'm not sure all the effort in hating on Prusa is worth it. I own a Prusa (amongst a few other Chinese-made machines), I know it was more expensive than these comparable machines, but I can afford it so I made the choice to buy one, and I don't regret it. It is undoubtedly more reliable than the other machines I own. I'm not under any illusion that Prusa isn't out there to make money, but good on them. If I designed the Prusa I'd expect to make a profit from all the effort that went into it, even if they didn't invent the wheel. Also, I use their filament frequently and it yields highly consistent and high-quality results. 3D printing as a hobby or business or whatever, it's fun, we're a reasonably small community and I don't think there's any point in encouraging divisions and making it political.
I think in the long run Bamboo Lab will take over the "3D printing crown" if they can market themselves as well as Prusa did
Bamboo labs X1 makes Prusa look like a toy.
The rate of innovation of Prusa will slowly render them obsolete. On the low end, the Chinese offers as good of a product. On the High End they don't innovate enough to really matter. I believe they just will get competed away as they don't offer much value unfortunately.
If they went open source.
@@Inventorsquare what would they give away by going open source?
@@TheKdcool Everything, PCB designs, Blueprints and digital files for the plastic parts, this would truly help innovation by enabling other companies to learn how they managed unique stuff in their printers
I never understood the frenzy about 3d printers changing the world. They're a great piece of technology, but CNC is nothing new and we've been doing additive manufacturing since the paleolithic period, it's called ceramics. The biggest change that 3d printing brings is rapid prototyping.
I needed a 72mm exhaust-end port for my Xtool hose the other day. Modeled in blender, printed it on mk3s+ high quality printer with reliable name brand components down to the bearings,stock. I now have exhaust port. 3D printing can improve lives. It has already changed the world, long before we had them in our homes.
It's just another tool for manufacturing things at the end of the day. It's just easier for for the average Joe to use.
@@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 " mk3s+ high quality printer with reliable name brand components" This part seems a bit extraneous to your point considering that just about any 3d printer can print a 72mm part. It's almost as though this part was the actual point of the comment.
The biggest thing about 3d printers is automation… ceramics have none of that.
@@paulthetexan "Modeled in blender [sic]" is where I stopped reading...
Maybe I am a prusa fanboy, but I also own an ender. Creality pumps out so many printers and barely adds new stuff, only rip offs of other companies. My prusa just works and I love it. I also used Cura before but prusa slicer just works better for my purpose. I still use thingiverse aswell as printables. I dont really understand this hate. We live in a capitalist world where companies have employees who have bills to pay. You cant expect for everything to be free. Wages in europe are higher than china, yes prusa also uses parts from china but still. Life is not free people spend time on designing their products. I fully back opensource and less patents but your arguments are just unlogical. As a mechanical engineer I love the ease of my prusa machines. And I like the way that I can fix my printer very easily. Yes I pay a bit more, but my prusa machines are more durable and consistent than the ender machines.
You've clearly made up your mind. You love Prusa and nothing will make you see the brand or man as anything but good. You drank the cool aid. as the saying goes. What about the things I say in this video: ruclips.net/video/p22VtORQ79E/видео.html do those words do anything to change your mind?
If you ask viewers to not leave any comment if they do not agree, you will end up in an echo chamber. You behave as if prusa is the only bad guy here while the same can be said about all big players. But this is the way capitalism works. And all "the shady technics" you are trying to "uncover" in this video could be learned at marketing classes. This is no conspiracy, you are just discovering a part of modern world which was hidden form your eyes before because you are an engineer and not an economist or a salesman.
Bro, I just want to make some decent quality benchies. This is way too deep for me.
👍 for good satire!
Dude, you make Alex Jones look reasonable.
It's been a long time since I've seen a video with more dislikes than likes. Surprisingly, I'm actually a fan of this one. I'd give it about an 80% grade, so still passing.
My one gripe is considering "open source" a left-wing/Leftist value. I'm far from being a Leftist, but am a huge fan of open-source and general principles of decentralization. From what I understand, the Leftists generally use solutions that take power away from the corporations/rich and give that power to the government. Open-source is a completely different philosophy that allows for a kind of natural democratic ebb and flow of software development. That's not to say you can't be a Leftist and like open-source, I just don't think it comes from, or is in any way exclusive to them.
3D printing will change the world, just probably not the way you are expecting it to. How?
Children, especially girls, learning the process of designing and making a solution to a problem.
Printers are now affordable and reliable enough that they are worth having in schools. Getting children excited about what they can make and then seeing the process of it being fabricated, gives them a holistic mindset to how to problem solve, design, and iterate.
Like teaching a child to cook or bake. Are you going to get results immediately? No, but if it is interesting and fun you will be raising someone who is curious about processes and who feels confident in branching out and discovering more on their own.
My audience is 99.9% men. What is it that makes you think girls are going to get into 30 printing?
@@DesignPrototypeTest sorry, I didn't realise that everyone who uses 3d printers visits your channel. Stupid me. Clearly 99.9% of all 3d printer users are men.
As a small sample I have two daughters. They are fascinated with what I can design and manufacture. They have been seeing me do it for the past 5 years. Their primary school has a maker space, which is run by two female teachers, where they learn about electronics, coding and printing. My daughter's who have had 5 years of home experience are some of the most capable in the school with these topics.
Now, the eldest daughter needs to go to high school soon, so looking at possible schools. 3 all girl schools that we have done tours at. All have 3d modelling classes and printers as well as other technological equipment like VR setups. These are used for engineering purposes, as well as incorporated into art, architecture, and game development classes.
So now we have multiple years of female students who are more confident and aware of the possibilities of engineering, coding and may pursue this as their future career giving these professions a more balanced societal representation.
So yeah, it may not change your world, but it is likely to change the world for a lot of other people.
I presented some evidence then I asked a question. Please don't infer judgement in that simple comment. The evidence I've seen shows that is a rare females who is actually interested in 3D printing. I encourage you to keep nurturing your daughters in this hobby. They should be the rare breed. More power to them. I just don't see a future trending towards a place where "especially girls" are engaged in 3D printing.
@@DesignPrototypeTest no, you provided a very limited statistic, just as I noted that I was providing a limited experience. Neither can be taken as any form of meaningful data.
100 years ago we didn't really have females playing soccer, tennis, golf, etc. Yet here we are now in 2022 with very active female world wide participation.
Just over 100 years ago, women were granted the right to vote in many countries.
What can change to demographics over 10 years, not a lot.
What can change over 100 years, a great deal.
Reminds me of this standup routine: ruclips.net/video/QY9Gz_IMn_k/видео.html
Your own subscribers don't all watch your vids, and generally speaking more of them watch the non ranting technical review content. Do you care? I have unsubscribed and i do hope enough people do the same that you take some notice. I'm not personally attacking you, if i was i would just ignore you, I'm trying to show respect for what you used to do by commenting. You don't have to be the best, most knowledgeable engineer, but if you want respect show respect. Do some research, show us a balanced view, take a chill pill and have some fun. Fun is contagious.
There is always at least one crazy mad man warning the world of it's impending doom but there are many more idiots that won't follow logic but will follow other idiots right into the abyss. Use your own light 💡.
The Alinsky connection is rather intriguing, would not have expected that one. As far as cults go, the Voron "community" is more to my taste, and stealthburner has blinky lights.
So what exactly did Jo do to you to insult you? Yes, Prusas are more expensive than Chinese machines. Who forces you to buy Prusas?
Kids, this is why you are supposed to open up the window while 3d printing. The fumes will get to you LOL.
Jordan Peterson in a garage?
Remember: haters are the true proof of success B-]
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Limit access of corporations to the guns of government to protect them from competition. Shorten patents and or legally limit payments for use of patents so the designer still gets a profit for their designs but is unable to restrain or restrict market development in any way shape or form. For example, if patent payments were used in a product were limited to 5% of the products retail price, then the inventor would be paid and only enjoy a 5% advantage in the marketplace. Some system such as described above would limit corporate restraint and the disability enforced on voluntary non-fraudulent exchange by those who add little or nothing. There is no restraint of non-fraudulent voluntary exchange which stands on an ethical footing. None.
Man if I was to champion a particular brand it's Anycubic... They released the kossel and photon 🤙
My main rig is an unpopular tronxy d01 running biqu h2 and bigtree electronics.
It would take something quite biblical to come out of these guys for me to consider spending a dollar with them...
I can build 2 machines that would run circles around those orange rigs and still have change left over
So what cool stuff have you designed lately? This reminds me of a friend who knows everything about guitar pedals but doesn’t do anything with them.
>So what cool stuff have you designed lately?
I have a patent on this: ruclips.net/video/uLDioYDV-Gw/видео.html
I could have gotten a patent on this: ruclips.net/video/RQaTQ1UDsUs/видео.html
@@DesignPrototypeTest 🥱🥱🥱🥱
I tried to follow along this video, is the main point here that if I know a Prusa printer I am contributing to the “Elites” and therefore I am a bad person? Please help me understand.
The point of the video is to show you why purchasing Prusa printers is unjustifiable based on politics or ideology. No matter where you stand on the political spectrum the men behind Prusa either actively oppose you or betray your political values.
I don’t get how the situation is so political in the US. I’m in Italy and my perception here is no one gives a fuck.
I stand by your position tho, just I don’t thinks so many people are really so political about it.
“Non ti curar di loro, ma guarda e passa”.
I had to look it up on google translate. I love it. Itallian Zen. Are you from the Northern part of Italy?
Yep, I’m from the north west side, Liguria, the region shaped as a sad face facing the sea 🤣
You are the counterpart of the Angry Photographer in 3D-Printing.
It is worth a comment.
Do understand where your rant comes from, and also can sympathize with part of it.
But to my opinion it is your time spent on something not worthy enough, please do more of whatever your do the the best as it seems to me - give honest reviews and innnovate as you always done.
Cheers from Europe.
Wow, did Prusa 'hurt' you?
Also no, Prusas 3d printers (or any other hobbiest m/cs)will not change the world at all.
That's a bold statement... Any basic 3d printer put into the right hands could change the world for all of us. 50 years ago, kids had access to lego-cam... now instead of using 2x4 bricks, a kid can use tinkercad, youtube and a $200 printer to make and iterate a prototype (widget).
A good example is the e-Nable group. Someone saw a problem, Prosthetics were too expensive, so much so that many insurance companies wouldn't cover the cost for them for kids since the size changes constantly and proper fit is important, and many people around the world just do not have insurance. Now this group organizes the creation and free distribution of these life-changing devices to people all around the world. I would call that world-changing for the recipients, and that is just one thing.
Being able to take an idea and make it tangible without having to spend years learning a trade (like welding or woodworking) is something that has changed the world.
My love of lego and other building toys as a kid (as well as taking things apart to see how they worked) got me to college in the 80's to learn CAD and design and blossomed into a career designing educational/institutional furniture that has been purchased by thousands of schools, companies, and government training rooms. If I had had access to a consumer grade 3d printer at a young age, what could I have done? I don't know how many ideas I let go because I didn't have a way to prototype it without going full-scale on a million dollar cnc machine, or what kind of custom hardware (outside of my existing patents) I could have created for my industry. I made my prototypes from cardboard and glue and paint... spending hours on a prototype that I could have let a machine do while I worked on the next idea.
Gen Z is growing up in a world where they can use free software that they learn to use watching videos to make a model that they can 3d print which is a usable, handleable, tangible item. The only thing slowing down the change is the cost of the hardware.
@@mightygrom
Your idea of world changing is pretty broad - too broad in my opinion.
Prusa open sourced their mk3 and mini, you can buy a clone that is of good quality for less than half the cost of the genuine. I do not know why that is ignored and instead you talk about stuff that no sensible person would care about to make points that nobody agrees with.
>...that nobody agrees with.
Read the top pinned comment. Lots of people agree with me.
@@DesignPrototypeTest You made an echo chamber and it is just reflecting back to you what you already wanted to see and hear. Back years ago when you did your videos on the sapphire pro, I went out and bought one based on your videos, I was subscribed to your channel for a long time. I stopped subbing because you started to do content like this, but then you did the broom handle holder video and I thought you turned a corner and I resubbed but you went back to this type of content and I unsubbed. Then you made your extruder videos and I though you have turned a corner again and resubbed then you went back to doing this type of content and I unsubbed. If you ever stop doing this crap and get back to high level high skill videos I will resub.
@@toalan Your views are perfectly reflected in the algorithm. Don't watch tomorrow's video but as soon as I start filming in the new studio, I think you will like those videos.
the advent of a desktop printer brought hopes of home publishing just like how now 3d printers bring hopes of home manufacturing. These 2 technologies will play out the same ways. The optimism will continue until the technology becomes ubiquitous and it will be just another appliance.
I would go back on your medication if I were you
BRO. ITS 3D PRINTING, why do you have to bring politics into things!!?? Can you not just make videos about 3D printing that will help people. This is just spreading hate.
HA HA HA! What part of the title and thumbnail lead you to believe this wasn't going to be about politics? This is like punching yourself in the face an then blaming me. If it had not been about politics you would be here accusing me of clickbait.
@@DesignPrototypeTest I’m sorry, when did I talk about the thumbnail. Your rants are just plain stupid but bringing politics into your rant is even more stupid. You say that you want to help people not spend their money on Prusa due to manipulation. We’ll look what you’re doing. You are the on manipulating the audience into not buying a perfectly good product.
Oh. So I'm only allowed to talk about things you bring up? This universe is your reality and I'm just an NPC? No wonder Prusa is your hero. Protip: Imitating his ego is not going to get you very far in life.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Hold up, “ talk about things you bring up”. Mister when did I ever even mention that. Just let go of your attitude and your ego because clearly it is holding you back.
The first ultimaker did not cost 5000 dollars, it was less than 2000
I agree 99% with you but there is on huge flaw on it. You keep saying that Chinese machines are this and that but remember that there is no innovation on Chinese products… they just copy whatever someone’s else create and if everyone starts to buy those machines no one will innovate. I don’t own anything from prusa nor buy anything there but that doesn’t erase what they did for this community 😊
You make a good point. China is generally worse than Prusa with exceptions. Bamboo Labs X1 is tremendously innovative. And also Prusa isn't as innovative as you give him credit for. All the innovations on the I3 were ideas he farmed from DIYers who were upgrading their machines at home and then posting on the internet. He is not an innovator. He is a great curator, and his employees do a great job polishing the firmware and massaging fundamentally flawed mechanics. Generally speaking Prusa is not the source of innovations. They do make a neat thing from time to time. For instance, I love the idea for locating the nozzle on the forthcoming XL printer, but that is only one innovation, and it may or may not even work.
I love it! You sir are kinda now one of my favorite makers and I highly appreciate your giving some a little insight while delivering a big FUCK YOU.. Well done, needed to be said. My man..
Imagine a cartesian machine that has an 8bit mcu, insists on advertising the genuine misumi linear bearings on it (cost is like 5 bucks /each), is almost entirely 3d printed and it costs like 800 bucks. Oh wait...
This is an interesting video, I don't really understand the hate coming and going with Prusa. I agree on quite a few points, and disagree too. I guess I need to go watch the "Hot or Not in 2022" to see what caused the latest drama.
I own an Ender 3, Ender 5+ and owned a Ender 3 S1 for 3 weeks till I sent it back, and just bought a used MK3S on marketplace 4 days ago. They are not the same, even the S1 doesn't hold up. Its like comparing my Felder planer to a default lunch box planer.
There are other things that go along with Prusa vs the Chinese printers but I am not sure if it is worth getting into here.
You're right.
I believe that most people won't be looking at their 3d printer purchases from a political perspective. They will more likely look at reviews and will weigh up the pros and cons based on printer features, quality, reliability and price. They will also look at the ecosystem of available parts, compatible models, upgrades and filaments. Some people will take issue with being locked into certain slicers and ecosystems, but this is not a political concern; rather it's based on having the freedom to choose alternative (better) printers/ecosystems in the future.
It's possible that some people will take issue with a particular country (Russia or China) and will exclude purchasing anything from them if they can.
It's also likely at this stage that people's trust in corporations (be that from the Left or the Right) is dwindling. From this stance, Prusa may actually be on to something when establishing trust relationships through people instead of faceless corporate brands. Communities of curated content helps people find what they need quickly, with the confidence that it will print on your printer of choice. This again is more of an ecoystem viewpoint of casual users (the majority of the 3d printer base) and has less to do with political ideologies. To be fair, more seasoned users will take issue with certain ecosystems from an ideological viewpoint because they know how to build their own printers and dial in any filament and will see the redundancy of certain products and services aimed at the casual/first-time user.
>They will more likely look at reviews
I've got a recent video for that too: ruclips.net/video/p22VtORQ79E/видео.html
The camera angles are kinda weird 😭
I apreceate your opinions on the design, manufacture & viewpoint on the industry of 3D printers, you have opened my eyes to many innovative products and I value your outlook and input to the subject matter.
Hailing from outside the of USA, the printing of firearms/guns really has no appeal and is also outright illegal here in the UK where I live.
There is really no need to even have a reason to own/3D print guns as there is very low gun ownership here, those that are owned are usually used for destructive/nafarious/criminal reason here, and for that matter most of the world outside America.
So looking to a 3D printer manufacturer to stand behind/justify printing guns seems a odd, a no brainer. Why would any non American company producing 3D printing from their country with low/no gun ownership tarnish their international reputation rubber stamping what could be illegal gun manufactureing in most of the world to pander to a very american centric need.
As an outsider I personally find it hard to understand the need for personal firearms and if any youtuber I have followed for a long while starts down the 3D printed gun journey turns me off to their content, which I admit is a shame as until that point I have been following them for their insightful content into the 3D printing world.
I'm hopeful you will still produce the work that benefits the worldwide 3D printing community as a whole, and not just focus on guns.
This. I find 3d printed guns to be fascinating on a technological level, but it's a very US-centric discussion. And what Americans label as 'the left' is barely centrist in -for example- Europe.
There are many things people own with no reason or need. Do you allow ethanol for consumption in the UK? What about other drugs? UK has a whole obsession with drugs. Things there is really no need or reason to have.
Check out the most popular PC games people play. Shooting seems to be intrinsically tied to humanity. We love guns, we love playing games with guns. Guns are awesome.
@@difflocktwo Hi there,
Yes you can buy ethanol in the UK, but what that has to do with people 3D printing guns evades me, also drugs, yes many people do like drugs here in the UK, but again, whats that got to do with a 3D printing?
If indulge your comment I dont remember hearing any news headlines where anyone walked into a bank and robbed it or a school and murdered anyone with a litre of ethanol or an ounce of weed...
Indeed a some of the most popular games are shooting games, I regullarly play GTA online, but additionally some of the most popular games are minecraft, microsoft solitare & candy crush. I dont see what your point is.
Hopefully we can agree on the fact that 3D printing is fun.
@@deandavies1462 You said you don't see a need or reason for guns. I'm pointing out there are many things without need or reason, like drugs. I chose drugs because of the cost to society, way worse than guns.
I was trying to point out why someone would want guns since you couldn't imagine it. Guns are fun and awesome. I used the popularity of shooting games to point that out.
@@difflocktwo One of the reasons I find 'gaming' is so off putting. Guns are a not awesome.
So if I don't agree with someones personal ideology then they are an enemy? That's some divisive ish. Not a bot btw. Ijs
The point of the video is to show you why purchasing Prusa printers is unjustifiable based on politics or ideology. No matter where you stand on the political spectrum the men behind Prusa either actively oppose you or betray your political values. You are purposefully misunderstanding the video so that you can establish me as a strawman and not have to deal with all the hard hitting details.
I did not say that if you disagree with Prusa's politics you should not buy a Prusa. The point of the video is to remove any misconstrued notions that purchasing Prusa printers has any deeper meaning. You are not supporting a cause or making the world better if you do. Buy whatever product you determine to be in your best interests.* Just don't have any illusions that you are doing "the right thing" getting an Orange printer instead of one made in China.
* Pragmatically speaking this is also not a Prusa
@@DesignPrototypeTest I totally understood the point of the video. I just commented on that 1 thing you said bc it's not right. Not saying you're wrong on your other points. I consider you one of my favorite 3dp content creators. Mostly for your knowledge and ideas but I also will listen to your other topics as well.
Ok. You seem a decent guy. Hopefully I cleared up any misunderstanding with my comments above. My apologies for accusing you of straw manning me. That appears to be off the mark in this instance. Have a nice day.
You have to remember Prusa is a business. Avoiding controversy is apart of that. You do have some valid points though but this rant is unnecessary. If you speak with fact to back your claims, hate comments can be ignored. And they should be regardless, it good that you care.
FYI, if you really want to get on prusa's nerves though, review a prusa mk3 clone. Good value printer for beginners.
Inkjet, 8ml, 20$ has piezo head attatched in 1990. Today; ink 12ml $$40, pizoe Not attached, its just plastic punnet with ink. Ink price wholesale = $20 per TON! , plastic, is only $1.20 a ton. Ream of pla, pricing going down untill popularity high enough to sell beads/ shaped to hotglue sticks. Ie. A chop of ream, inserted from top. THAT IS THE ELITE.
I don't really engage with the social side of printing outside of a few insular communities. I was unaware there was social controversy surrounding Prusa.
I believe that 3D printing will absolutely change society in a number of ways but I really don’t attach any sort of politics to it. It can absolutely allow those with less money explore their dreams like never before and it will steer us to a way of mass production/fabrication within a home environment BUT, we are very very far away from those days. There are still so many things to overcome before we get there. For 3D printers to be accepted holistically, they need to be as easy to use as a common household paper printer where you literally plug it in an walk away, we are still decades away from that reality. And why tie in politics to it? It’s like anything else in life? People will accept it IF it’s convenient, convenience costs a ton in R&D and ultimately only big companies have that kind of money. Thinking that 3D will eliminate that is just being incredibly naive to the way the world works.
I think 3D printing will evolve exactly how normal printers evolved where the printers are cheap but the media used to create is expensive. We can already see that happening.
For now, embrace the freedom we have 😊
@@kalicacao I'm 46 years old, I dont remember anybody saying that ever about paper printers. Its all about convenience, theres nothing convenient about binding books that would be double the size of normal books. And convenience is exactly why Kindles became a success. If you could get something instantly, not contriute to climate change or pay for shipping and customs would you? Thats theoritically what 3D printing can give everybody. And, printers are already super cheap. You can get an Ender 3 for £170, so move on 10 to 15 years and we will be a way better place.
@@kalicacao reread my post again. It’s not about now, it’s about decades from now and I mention the EXACT same things you are discussing in your comment. It’s all about 3D printing being as accessible as paper printers are today and we are decades away from that. 20 years ago you would have never dreamed that you could store your entire life including high resolution photos, speak to your family in multiple countries for free, pay for your shopping and public transport, watch pay per view, stream music and discuss topics with random people on a free video platform all from your cellphone, yet here we are. 20 years in technology is a long time. My 1st printer was a printrbot, that was 6 years ago, a LOT has changed since then.
@@kalicacao well I did and that was the premise of my original comment. So a bit confused as to why you looped right back around again. Had 3D changed society today? No, but it’s in its infancy so it’s a bit unfair to use today technology and say that’ll it’ll never have an impact on the future. That’s like looking at a toddler and thinking it’ll never amount to be anything more than a toddler?!
Anyways it’s clear you disagree which is ok. I’m fine with that.
This is very fascinating, I always wondered where the Maker terminology came from.
I also didn't realize how much of the rhetoric of open sourced is focused on the left.
Thank you for making this video keep up the good work 👍
It used to be from the left who leapt at the opportunity to create an open source community until people saw that a quick buck could be made.
Prusa has already started hinting that he is goin to delay indefinitely the open source nature of the XL. Prusa has said he is worried about of copiers. He is already building the framework to go closed source. All we have is Prusa's word that he will remain "open source." But please just return back to the designing stuff.
I prefer your content that is focused on technology and improving 3D printers. We get it and understand that you think Prusa is overhyped, overpriced and run by a megalomaniac. I am a happy MK3S user nonetheless. I fully realize that there are some very capable printers in the $300-$700 range and some can match or even exceed Prusa’s capabilities, performance and reliability. While other printers in that same range may fall short. I think most of us here know that. But…so what? People buy what they want, for prices they are OK with, for reasons that resonate with them - “valid” or not. I think you are expending a lot of potential energy engaging with a small subset of your commenters over what does seem (at times) a bit “conspiratory theorist”. Not saying you ARE, but these videos have that “vibe” and I don’t think that win any favors. And the people you are targeting won’t change their minds, so I am not sure who your intended audience is for these rants.
First of all, I understand your view point.
I'm writing this comment, while watching the video... so I haven't watched the entire video. There are a few things I wanted to tell you.
Fist, I love your 3d Printer mods/videos about them. However I think you are focusing on the haters. The more attention you give them, the more they focus on you. I agree with some of your Points and with some I disagree (not important for now). The extend such a response to them, can cause , you just have to take a look what happend to only jaus. Put simply... I miss the old vieos where you were talking about improving Printers, providing solutions for example high temp materials etc.
About Prusa... But first some background info:purchased a ender 3 and modded almost everything. Then I thought about getting another one. Always wanted a prusa, because everyone I talked to/videos said it is the best printer on the market.... In my option, that is only partially true... Where should I start... printer: it is a decent build, however min was nowhere near as silent as they advertised(louder than my ender 3 with the silent-board now duet). Then there is the inconsistent extrusion Problem... although it is a decent printer, I would probably build a Hevort or a vez 3d v235 instead.
The ecosystem: In my opinion, most people buy a Prusa because it is convenient. Completed profiles, great support, reliable printer and overall smooth experience.
And at last some ideas for the future. Would love to see your approach to recycling failed prints.
I bought some equipment (ganulator, dehydrator, filament extruder) to basically recycle failed prints into filament again (it is not as easy as it sounds), in order to reduce my waste.
Also I would love to see, some high speed printing/ modding for high speed printing, because we're at a point where you can achieve incredible quality and speed at the same time one something like a HeVort.
This might be to much to ask, however I don't want to see you focusing on the haters so much and devoting your chanel to them. The occasional criticism is definitely needed in a social media environment, where everyone and everything has to be perfect.
Sorry for grammar/spelling mistakes, because English isn't my native language.
To me its just like in sports crazy how people it been out of shape or talk about and individual as if they are the person being paid to endorse such a character. I am not a fan, nor I’m a free promoter for anyone unless you pay me then that’s different but it all depends on the feel and approach whether you make it or not. So true
Your T-shirt is 3D.
People that think his opinion on prusa is unwarrented and out there, watch 3d printing nerds rapid livestream and how prusa self invites himself without scheduling ahead of time. Prusa is very much self obsessed.
Feels like I'm listening to Coast to Coast.
3d printers aren't a social movement. The Maker Movement is a movement. AWCY is a movement. Biohacking is a movement.
i feel like the ender 3 is what made 3d printing more accessable to the normal person even those who dont have the extra money to spend, ive always wanted one but never had the spare money to buy one an 4 yrs ago creality ender 3 was 250 an i got a tevo tarantula pro for 200 an had to send it back cause it came with bent extrusions an after getting my refund i decide to just add another $100 on top of that an got a ender 5 on sale for alittle over 300 an that was the first printer i got that just worked for me out of the box with very little upgrades. when someone asked what id suggest i always said creality ender 3 or 5 for there first printer but stay away from the 5 plus unless you knew what you was doing already but my go to printers for the past couple yrs have been flsun qq-s pros, the sr is my next guy. prusa has never been a printer ive suggested, hell i would probably suggest anet's newer line over prusa at this point just cause the price point is never been worth it in my eyes.
So, what you're saying is I should get the new Prusia XL? Cool cool.
Love the video.
Had the choice between a Prusa Printer and Creality Ender-3 MKII
In the end i bought the Ender 3, tested it and after that i started a small printfarm with four Enders, running for weeks on end. Step by step i upgraded my machines with PL-Touch and cheap sheet glass beds. AND I STILL PAYED LESS MONEY
Prusa falls in the same slot like Apple. The Fanboys keep them running and they get their asses kisses by them all the time. And the user is the idiot who pays for the name of the company, not for the product. Hell the quality of Prusa is something else. They produce the parts for their machines on print farms IN HOUSE. A simple Injection Molding Machine could make the same part with a better finish an quality in less time with less energy consumtion in a smaller workspace.
The cycle on a molding machine would take about 30 seconds for two parts (Like the display frame). Prusa prints the same frame in about 15 minutes. That is 30 minutes for two parts....With IM-Production you get 120 parts per hour, with 3D printing maybe four PER PRINTER. To get the same amount of parts at the end of the day, you need 30 printers.
What do you make in your 3D print farm? Did you make your models yourself? Just interested, wanna make a farm myself
@@kix3d569 I printed mostly .Stl´s for friends in a bigger gaming group, like terrain and tokens for Games like Battletech, Gaslands, sometimes Warhammer 40k, but at the Corona Peak i printed a lot of mask holders, door hooks ect. from self drawn CAD´s.
And then a fine selection of cosplay material like Fantasy Guns and weapons and Masks.
A few weeks ago i got my first Elegoo Mars 2, to which i started to make some mor finer stuff i upload to Thingieverse. Stuff for Tabletop Kitbash, Gaslands and other Tabletop games
I got three of my five basic Enders right at the Moment when the switch to the new Ender 3 V2 started, and i couldn´t be more happy with my machines. You can get many upgrades from a wide number of companys, for every problem you can find direct help online here on youtube. The Mchines themself are robust and forgiving if you make errors and when you change the HeatBreak to an all metall version, you can run prints that take 48 hours without problems. If you want to print felxible material, you can convert the Bowden Extruder over to Direct Drive, and afterwards you can build it back without problems in under 3 minutes if you want.
My Enders paid for themself after 4 months, and even when they now stand around for half a year....i know i can switch them on at any time, throw in some fillament and they run....i would never trade them for any other machines
@@Ordog213 Awsome man! Just started with 3d printing myself and already getting requests from friends to 3d print stuff for them!
@@kix3d569 Nice. Just a few tips:
Get a cheap kitchen scale. Get the weight of your Buildplate and after the print, do the same for the whole object.
then get a powermeter that you can put in your wall socket so you can monitor your power usage. This way you can adjust your pricing so that you don´t lose money.
And with time you can say to your friends "It would take me 12h to print your part. that costs me 5 bucks in power, and 3 Bucks in Fillament."
Set yout Material prices in your Slicer. It gives you a good estimate, too.
On Ender Printers you do not need fancy glass beds that cost you 20bucks a piece.
I got some sheet float glass in the right size with a thickness of 4mm from a local company. 20 plates for 5 Bucks was a very good deal. Fix them like normal print beds, apply a little glue stick layer for some extra traction and you are ready to go.
Clean it from time to time with a little IPA ans a razor blade.
Get nozzles and a collection of spare parts like a extra heater cartrige. And a cooling fan is not a wrong investment.
@@Ordog213 thank you very much for the awesome tips🙌🏾🙌🏾
BLASPHEMER!!!!
Nice video
this will sort itself out as long as 3d printing stays cheap and newcomers see no need to buy a much more expensive prusa. the masses vote with their money
When I think of “The Community” prusa doesn’t even factor in to it. I’m thinking of the amazing discord communities that have developed over the last few years where people are working together to innovate and make new things. I’m thinking High-Temperature Printing Discord, Doomcube, Annex Engineering, Voron Design(ok those last two can be a little cult-like), Zero G, CroXY, Klipper Discord, FluidNC, Millennium Mill, maze io, SakeOilXY, vzBot etc..
These places are the community to me. Prusa printers are fairly uninteresting to the people in these communities. We are out there, working together and designing new printers. I’d rather throw down $1000 on parts than a complete printer any day….
I do think an affordable table saw that isn’t shit would be very positive for the world :D
ruclips.net/video/qOANCOd1NCE/видео.html
I'm struggling to agree with the message of this video.
3d printing was before Prusa printers were sold and most likely will be after Prusa Printers do exist. 3d printing is a concept of manufacturing not a company, not a community...
Nevertheless my expirience with Prusa printers are good, no doubt about that. I have a MK2 Prusa and an Ender3 and both are good printers, I prefer the Prusa though.
I don't feel, that when the word "community" is used by a Prusa spokesperson, it's only the Prusa community that they are refering to but the 3d printing community in general. The 3d printing community is free in doing stuff each individual wants to do it. I think that was allways the spirit of this community, to create and do stuff "normal" people don't do or wouldn't do 🙂
I agree, Prusa wants to sell and make money but so does Creality or any other company. If they would give printers away, out of their good hearts they wouldn't be making new stuff and probably be out of bussiness by now.
I think Prusa has a similar battle to fight similar to the E3D company. Cheaper products with similar quality can be bought in China. Prusa and E3D have to be better in quality and may be in marketing as well.
>I don't feel, that when the word "community" is used by a Prusa spokesperson, it's only the Prusa community that they are refering to
EXACTLY! They are casting a wide net and attempting to control the entire group of people who engage with the hobby. This is the power grab.
I have 2 printers an Afinibot and a flashforge. Both used for prototype design and things i need that I can't find. Never considered myself part of a community. I see too many just printing what others have designed. No real thought went into the print.
Now I see it used to make patterns for metal casting. In some cases, great, in others not so much. That said you have designers and makers. Neither is a community. Good video.
Positions of wealth and power always attract the worst kinds of sociopaths. If the position doesn't exist, they create it, in this case largely by astroturfing.
Are you ok?
You're the one making this political. I've never seen this at political.
I've never seen Prusa as a movement. I don't know where this is coming from.
You've thrown out a lot of claims but haven't backed up those claims with anything solid. How hard would it be to make some phone calls or send some emails to see if that guy worked for Make at the same time as Prusa? If you had done some homework I think you'd have more of a case here. Sorry, I think you missed the mark here. This is not what I subscribed for.
Fair enough. Have a good day.
If you are gonna say people stop you from criticizing the populist companies, maybe don't use criticism as an excuse for making up a villain from a random company
6:22 also please watch the Adam Savage video about makers if you wish
My beef with Prusa goes back 5 years. It's not a random company to me. This populist Mob of fanboys is toxic. Are you a member?
Relax man, these are just printers. Focus on technical stuff, stop the crusade.
100℅ agreed..... Sadly everything is opposite of advertise.. Keep up
It has been a while! Ive been wanting you to review the new Revo Six. Ive had so much trouble with it because of faulty heater cores, but they worked lightning fast to get me a warranty replacement and its printing beautifully.
Wish the nozzle would keep clean. The PETG stuck to it ate the silicon sock already not 10 hours into printing, but that is shame on me for not cleaning I guess.
Another good 2-star review.
Fgc9 on a 99$ machine came out great
Of course 3D printing is changing the world. There are things you just can't do without it, for example in aerospace and medical manufacturing. Other things are much easier to prototype or visualize than before.
You are expanding the definition of 3D printing to include all of additive manufacturing. The attainable 3D printers for the masses (FDM machines) did not change the world as promised. It kind of seems like you didn't watch the video so you don't understand my thesis.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Yep, the algorithm suggested it, because you do have some nice content as long as you don't go on a toxic rant. I still disagree to the basic proposition. It kinda sounds like you are a bit pedantic and prone to ... I wouldn't call it conspiracy theories, but basically having a very low opinion of many people/things with at least slightly weird reasons.
Man, if you want to have an argument you've got to be more specific. Seriously. Why does E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. come down to a character assassination. Vague descriptions of why I'm bad. Watch the video or stop leaving comments. Your choice.
@Design Prototype Test - check out your old buddy Michael "TT" and his wet dugout machine shop that he worked so hard on, please do a video critique of it!
Because of your comment I took a look. Basements are always wet and moldy. I'm sure it will be workable eventually. Just kind of depressing as a work room to spend 8 hours a day inside. But it will look great on camera where the viewer can't smell or really experience the space.
All of his top videos are still copies of other people's successful videos, remaking another viral thing, or following a workflow created by academics. There isn't an original thing he has done which has been even remotely successful. His channel is built on copying the success of others. Seeing his subsciber count it's practically impossible for me to not be envious but I have to acknowledge that he somehow manages at least 2x my output. It's hard to be original. It's easy to copy. In a competitive space where newbie viewers can't differentiate skill level at a glance the algorithm will greatly favor volume of output. His successful numbers are not a measure of his value. Just indicative of his ability to twist himself into a shape which the algorithm will reward.
He's not doing any of his videos because he likes it, or has some innate desire to do these things. It's videos for the sake of videos. Like a feedback loop between video creator and video watcher. There is no underlying value. No leadership he is providing. The audience is the leader. But the audience watches him thinking he's leading. When you really empathize, it feels soulless. Why is he even building the shop under his house? Wouldn't it be more advantageous for him to rent a space somewhere to achieve his goals? Does he even have any larger goal to justify the workspace.
He mentioned Colin Furze. I think Colin is just the latest big RUclipsr he is comparing himself to. His latest obsession that he feels he must copy and equal. I mean the volume of video output that he does to copy... I know how much work that is. What motivates him to work so hard? Is he fueled so intensely by envy? I'm not wired like that. When I feel unoriginal I lose motivation. He's not harming me anymore so I just let it go. In another year someone else will mention him and I'll go have another look at his channel. Until then, I'm just going to keep doing me.
@@DesignPrototypeTest The reason I pointed it out was the theme of your video seems to be (at least somewhat phony) persons trying to represent a "movement", be it "open source community", "makers", etc.
At least two things jump out from his video - 1) He's working too hard to prove how hard he works, in this case digging out a basement for a machine shop, when he clearly doesn't know what he's doing and should've (and will surely) just hire some people who know how to do a basement properly.
2) He seems "burned out", depressed, obsessed and just weird now.
I agree with you, his production quality clearly indicates vast time, effort and resources expended to produce the quantity and high-production value videos.
It seems he's increasingly distressed by the fact that with all of that "output", he still hasn't innovated anything, and that's really eating him.
In any case, thanks for your response, and thanks for all of your interesting, useful and thought provoking videos, whether it's a tech video or an opinion piece.
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Finally, someone says, what allot of us see. Thank you good sir for your honesty and the boldness to express it. Can't wait to get back to your "normal" videos. I've always appreciated your way of assessing, and fixing of/improving upon, things 3d printing related. 👍🏻
Oh wow... I'm becoming more interested in 3D printing but I feel like (especially) the last bit of that video was real on every other level as well. It's crazy how hateful/radicalized people have become, and how much is required to begin to dispute their ad hominem, negative nature
It's insane that Prusa's still cost $1k with outdated tech
Prusa is stale at this point many other choices in the market now.
Excellent video. Been involved in engineering for over forty years now, served my time as scientific instrument maker / toolmaker mainly in research and development and later on in general tool making / product and tooling work, first saw 3d printing in the late 80s from Stratasys. Not cheap but useful for rapid prototyping at the time for more complex articles. It had its place in commercial areas but not really as a hobbyist /general production method. Along came reprap in the late 00's and things changed, the hype from Makerbot and a lot of hypers that didn't know jacksh.. about engineering and plastics engineering in particular was incredible, got a lot of people involved in the 3D printing but morphed into a bit of a fad. A lot of the stuff being touted about 3D printing was total BS and still today with easy access to the internet, the instant expert syndrome. Prusa is just another printer manufacturer, nothing I've seen from them has really been impressive, still just a 10 year old bed slinger or a copied E3D multi head printer, just good marketing (remember Makerbot?). As for me I've still got a well built 12 year old Hbot still going strong, a couple of core XYs all self designed, I used to even make my own nozzles etc., still remember the likes of Knophead and Rich Richie? and all the off the wall experimental guys, pellet extruders, things like extrusion rate testing and performance, which is seeing a rehash at the moment, if anything 3D printing has started to mature into a niche ease of use/entry area for home hobbyists. As regards changing mass manufacturing it will still be the main stay. For hi-tech engineering e.g. aerospace etc. it is developing at a rapid pace but a bit out of reach for the average punter, I'll eat my words if Prusa comes out with a high speed metal powder printer of their own design for under grand....😎. Have fun printing.....
olso you are not hate prusa, is just the one that most appearsnow😊
If you've ever owned a mustang 5.0, Ruger 10/22 or a Gm 350, you know why ppl go with prusa
I have a ruger and I have no idea why people buy Prusa. I like it but it is no more accurate or easier to maintain than my cheaper off brand tube feed semi auto.
@@gitss7367 just that it's easier to find parts, directions, mods, cheaper parts, find a dozen. Easy easy easy
@@Alx2672 good point parts availability is very good when you need it.
I just started printing a few months ago on a cheap Ender 3($100 microcenter deal). Until I got my Bambu labs I saw that a good number of printers were similar. Similar print speeds, similar construction, similar software and so on.
I must have missed the boat. I know there is gatekeeping in any hobby but is there really a big 3d printer beef between Prusa and everyone else?
The inherent nature of 3d printing means someone can print whatever they want. It could be a toy or more. I watched the whole video but what was the point again?
Is there a fanboy war going on? Is Prusa stopping or blocking competitors? Do they have a hold on any patent and strong arming others? My question is is ignoring Prusa going to affect you at all or are you just aiming for the proverbial big dog because they have politics you don't like?
I doubt your earnestness. I will answer you point blank anyway: The point of the video is to show you why purchasing Prusa printers is unjustifiable based on politics or ideology. No matter where you stand on the political spectrum the men behind Prusa either actively oppose you or betray your political values.
@@DesignPrototypeTest Thank you for your candid response. YT recommended your video since I have been looking at 3d printing channels. I do not own a prusa and doubtful I will get one unless they have some great feature and a good price. I do not know PRUSA politics or stances in the community. I have gotten some STL files from printables and that is the extent of prusa for me.
I suppose we are in partial agreement in that I do not buy products based on the politics or lack thereof of the founder or board members. If we are talking politics I fall more on the liberal side vs conservative but I also buy Chinese products and I am not a fan of the CCP .
I'll subscribe since I like to support creators who engage with the community. Thank you again for the response.
Welcome to the hobby man. Nice to have you. SInce you are new here are a couple other videos to provide you with some more context.
My podcast style appearance on the 3D Print General: ruclips.net/video/m06sDIf7uZw/видео.html
My Prusa I3 review: ruclips.net/video/p22VtORQ79E/видео.html
Looking for fellow sock puppets, anyone present?
You guys get paid?
@@ulaB we get a hand to rest on ;)
the judgements that you make and the supposed buy in of "fanboys" fails to consider that the Chinese printers that you advocate are for the most part garbage unless you want to spend more time fixing and modifying a brand new printer instead of actually making things. I struggled for a year trying to get a major Chinese companies products to print in any kind of consistent manner. In frustration I packed it away and chalked it up as an expensive mistake. My interest in 3d printing overcame my immense frustration however. I researched and found that most people recommended Prusa as a printer that printed well right out of the box. It did and still does after hundreds if not thousands of hours. That does not mean that I buy into the cult of personality. I didn't buy a Prusa to support political or activist hype. I bought it because they said it would work reliably and it did. Would I recommend a Prusa to some one else? Absolutely. Do I buy into whatever ideology they are pitching? no. But they do make a damn fine product.
>unless you want to spend more time fixing and modifying a brand new printer instead of actually making things
This was true a few years ago but it's not true anymore. As I said in the video 11:13
@@Minionbro360 Haters gonna hate. Here is some more fuel for that fire: ruclips.net/video/p22VtORQ79E/видео.html
Your overuse of that emoji leads me to believe that you are faking happiness. Fighting with strangers on the internet is not going to help you with that. I don't know you or your situation but maybe disconnect? I don't wish you ill. I hope your day gets better.
I hope your day gets better.
Don’t you get it! Prusa is perfect, only prusa makes 3d printers that work, all other manufacturers aspire to be prusa and copy their product! Now the truth, prusa has taken components and ideas from other truly talented engineers, plugged them together and rebranded them as Prusa by Joseph Prusa. No other manufacturers want to replicate the prusa as there are better technologies out there and the prusa mk3 design is stagnant and surpassed by faster smarter companies at developing newer technology and better designs. Not only do other companies surpass Prusa and their products but can do it at a better price point. But wait, hang on, the church of Prusa will jump on the fact that these machines are not reliable, well it took 3 tries for me to actually get a reliable prusa, must be user error!. Well I bought a Creality Ender 3 s1 while my prusa was away being replaced, and oh, hang on, the Creality (work of the devil) cheap piece of poo just works, I mean I took it out of the box and in 20 minutes I was printing, must be a mistake, but then I bought more Creality machines and they just worked. Then against all the teachings of the church of Prusa, other manufacturers machines worked out of the box, surely this cannot be true, I must be being tested by the devil, oh Prusa 3d printer be thy name, why have you lied to me! Why oh why, did Saint Joseph mislead us the chosen 3d printer disciples that only Joseph by Joseph Prusa ( hallowed be thy company) that only Prusa printers should be purchased else you shall be branded heretic and cast out from Prusa heaven into the pit of failed prints and hateful comments.
Prusa is just like any other company, it wants to sell you a product and make as much money as possible while investing as little as it can in the product, the aim of which is to increase the companies profits. Do they make a useable product, yes of course they do, but is it the best product available on the market, sorry no it is not, as with the six billion dollar man, others can make printers faster, stronger, cheaper and better. Prusa is just another manufacturer that is fighting for your money, it’s easy to call Chinese manufacturers cheap and nasty but they only make what people want, if we want cheap and nasty, that’s what you will get. If you want reliability and quality, pay more and that’s what you’ll get but in huge numbers.
I don’t hate Prusa, but I don’t blindly follow propaganda when the truth is obvious and smacks you in the face every day!