this is like the relationship between architect and structural engineer but on the internet HOLY SHIT I DIDNT REALIZE THIS COMMENT POPPED OFF. Happened to see this vid one year later. Thank u all ily
As someone who's done both, neither job is very easy, one requires you make ritual sacrifice to the gods of code and the other demands you create an interface that somehow checks all the boxs of uniqueness while also somehow checking all the box's for familiarity.
Well said. A designer is like a movie director; walking the user through the app like a director guiding your attention across a movie screen. Both require insight, foresight, and successfully managing many moving pieces. Look at apps with horrible user-interfaces to understand how hard it is to design a massive enterprise app that's both usable and intuitive.
@ThatFatKid714 that's absolutely not true. I've met plenty of developers who can't design a paper bag. Many developers are introverted and a bit socially awkward, meaning they don't really understand how general people want to interact with an interface. Their code can be DaVinci but if the interface is dogshit nobody is gonna use it.
That's what I was thinking. Or at least python... (Which either machines can run so again wtf?) Who tf uses a Mac for literally anything besides web surfing?
Whenever I design an interface, I make sure that our dev will be able to do it for sure. Most of the time, it's me vs the business so that the devs can solely focus on making it, not fighting the people.
I do UX design with my start-up during my college years. I have my best bud as dev so every time I am about to design something, I would ask of his capability & time too. I mean there will be something necessary that he needs to do out of his comfort zone, but if he must take months to learn or code that thing, it’s better for me and the whole team to just avoid it.
Well, the higher you move up, the more your job tends to be managing or handling big picture stuff. So yeah, you wouldn't be doing quite as much hands-on work. That goes for almost any field.
@@ccramit you have more responsibility and have harder decisions to make so it can be more stressful but it’s usually less work even considering hands off/hands on as equal
You bet your sweet a** we do! I'm a UX/UI designer, I want to work on the platform with the best user experience. Apple is a sh*t company, selling their products at ridiculous premiums, but the one thing you can't fault them on though, is the user experience, it is best in class.
@@nareshprajapati2373 if you like dealing more with people than with data, computers, etc. you can consider it. if people is not your thing. keep where you are.
Designer: "All I want you to do is add a small popup-dialogue that let's the user see if a similar product is available online". Coder: "This will take 3 months, and a complete re-architecture of the product. I hate you".
@@evanj5844 I constantly have about 40+ in a personal browser and around 15 in a browser I use for work. Got 48 gb ram for Photoshop, but easily managing all this tabs is a nice bonus. 💅
plus multiple instances of IDE with multiple pages open in each. Not to mention whatever your tunes are playing on. I don't care how much ram a system has, I can destroy that ram.
I never did. I always do my own UI/UX send it to an UI/UX team who over does it. Then I code it. I am a front end dev. Since you have worked with UI guys... question: How does this creatures function? And how is t to work with them?
As a programmer that works from home, I hate MacOS but M2 uses less power than intel laptops and it's faster than them. (Ryzen uses even more power than intel on idle and code typing, sad)
@@howardlam6181new ryzen not. I can do 10 hours of battery of programming. And my ryzen is also 4 years old. The issue is with Windows and manifacturers: Windows 11 doesn't like the L3 cache (a lot used by amd) and it wants to use modern standby (also present on Macs) that is literally the worse thing ever happened to laptops but an Intel idea... and manifacturers like HP does not give decent driver support and also locks down everything... When in tablet mode my notebook goes into turbojet mode, but this issue doesn't happen to the same model but the Intel variant... It is freaking the same controller why can't I have a decent driver or at least not be locked by the specific manifacturer bios?!?
As a UX designer, it's also a lot more than just clicking and dropping UI elements. (Depending on the budget of the project) it's a lot of research into the target group and a lot of prototype testing. It's making a design that is not only functional but beautiful. Imagine a company paying you hundreds of thousands of dollars to make relatively simple decisions such as "where is the checkout button" or "what is the menu structure like", that's a lot of pressure to make damn sure that those are perfect.
@@noodlepot-rs2gs I took a bachelor, if you don't want to go the route of formal education I imagine there are some briliant courses on varies websites such as skillshare. Main thing is, you want to build a strong portfolio, that's the number one thing. What I did was I joined varies design competitions, that way you're given defined boundaries which help fuel creativity, as well given a real world case.
Idk man, embedded engineers are really well paid, even compiler engineers (a very specialized field ) are one of the most well paid along with quants developers in the coding market scene.
@@KingdomRepublicit is making me demotivated. I'm currently learning mathematics and algorithms and codes and it's hella hard and I don't understand anything. If I'm going to earn less in a job where I work all day using all of my brain power while some dude colors and reshapes things and is done in less hours and less stress, why wouldn't I reconsider my life decisions?
If you get to hear how many people have an opinion about what the design should be and what designer should do , you would appreciate your work more that nobody comes to you and saying to change this color , why don't do this or that ... and you have to explain and convince and argue , and sometimes forced to do something just because stakeholders said so . while nobody tells you how to do your stuff , as long as it works as expected .
Actually that is true... Best graphic design work centering and arrangements by one pixel can throw things off. I do some UI work, and I work with a good programmer. Is UI is typical of programming. Does it function? Yes. Good enough. So we work together to create a finished product.
@@opelfrost yep. Silly isn't it? But it happens with graphic elements. Like buttons, etc. "Not quite centered". Just have to live with it. Also the shape of letters is a factor of balance.
@@opelfrost It should be possible to display an element at sub pixel accuracy. It all actually boils down to neighboring pixel's sharing a single pixel value which is proportionally split between them (the close the edge to the one pixel, the more of the original value it gets). The question at hand is, whether or not subpixel accuracy is actually needed and supported by whatever framework you are using. Just throwing it out there for anyone interested
@@sniperfreek it's not possible because all your renderer are either directx, opengl, vulkan or metal (or their mobile equivalent), ofc i'm only considering desktop and mobile devices (ios/android) since they are the mostly used devices and for all those renderer i'm stating, the minimum unit is a pixel, you can't go below it, what you said is true that technically you can, but unless you want to start creating your own renderer and come up with a new standard that works with existing GPU and somehow get those GPU manufacturers to work with you on it, it's not possible so each pixel only has 1 colour, you can't have more than 1 colour, it's the minimum unit you can access (it's actually physically impossible unless we go back to CRT monitor)
As a person who does both UX Design and Front-end Development, both sides are not easy. Wait till you have to interview users and observe them work completely contrary to what the rest of the usability research says, making you have to redesign a solution again and again. Or having endless workarounds to code a beautiful design that sits on a legacy back-end too difficult to rewrite and dealing with API errors.
No, architects have to make sure their creation is safe and technically/financially feasable while ui/ux just care about looks and don't even understand where the limits are and how much work it would tale to achieve.
Not true. So many DEVS in Windows, esp web stuff. Maybe for servers linux could be the perfect system. For designers, it may vary from one's preference. I use to do Mac a lot, but 90% of my clients are in windows. Hence windows. Is mac better than windows. For me, windows is the best way to go BECAUSE, windows have a LOT of tools vs mac. So many opensource tools that you can use in windows vs mac.
Now the question is what do you mean by designer? I know some of the highest paid designers in visual effects at industrial light and Magic exclusively use windows because the really good software, doesn't run on crapple. ... also windows users don't drink Bud Light.
@@privateuploads5397 yeah this whole idea designers should use macs came from a very long time ago when it might have slightly been true… now days it literally makes no difference for design aside from different keyboard shortcuts and macs lack of support and functions in other areas
@pingu69420 Well, totally depends. Of course, a Mac is made for working like this, so it is indeed a very good choice, but it wouldn't be impossible. Coders these days also not unlikely to code on mac, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doesnt really matter
Well, as an user the best UX I've ever use is this banking app that practically doesn't change from 2011, meanwhile I'm frustrated by "modern and simplistic" banking apps from the past 2-3 years. It's m-bca
@@nomeduele0 building an understanding of what users want. You will have to empathy a lot with them. Getting to know them and theirs needs by reasearch like (for example) interviews. You have to leaen to ask questions and understand. You have to predict a lot because you can't ask them for everything and you don't have the budget for it anyways. You have to have a lot of design rules in the back of your head. And so on :)
Took a photoshop class and got mocked to shit for using windows, even the instructor got in on the roast. But it was an intro class and I already had 3 years of experience, so I just whooped their asses with photoshop to get back
This was me in design school. But they weren't all that mean to me, I was the best designer there. You can't be mean to the person who actually knows how to use the software, regardless of OS.
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 It would explain why modern UI is barely usable between all the excessive *w h i t e s p a c e .* Edit: Original reply was deleted.
@@diceydazeit's extremely stressful. It's not shown in the video but there's a lot of researching (googling) and copy and pasting but there is a lot of typing like this. For the stress, imagine writing an extremely long persuasive essay on a deadline. You are writing it in a unique unspoken language where the sentence structure determines what each paragraph is trying to convey, the paragraphs combined change your argument as well. After spending 10 continuous hours writing, you finally hit a button to see if you get the outcome you want.... And the conclusion is the exact opposite of what you were going for. So you now spend 10 hours a day for the next week trying to fix that, all the while you have other projects coming in and your deadline is now only a week away with the project going live for customers three days after that.
Amen :/ To be fair it does show how those (me included) in poorer countries are merely underpaid workers thanks to a world economic system that subsidizes costs for richer countries by underpaying those in poor countries (being paid less for the same work - it's like the life' and thus 'time' of a person from a richer country is more valuable than that of ours with the same skill and knowledge - both people have similar lifetimes on earth, so essentially your life is valued less if you're from a poor country...). We would need a world economic system that has similar tiers of wages, and the same minimum wage across the planet, for it to be be truly fair for the poorest/most underpaid (using a common universal currency). Free market would eventually balance out costs of goods and services fairly across the world even if we did this
@@efisgpr I am a software engineer AND full stack developer in Romania, and i earn 1600 euro/ month. Its real that you can earn up to 4000 euro/ month, but you need to be senior with 15-20 year experience. I have 23 years, so having 15-20 years experience is impossible for me. 1 month worth of work goes on car matinance and insurance, and i have nothing fancy. 2015 car, 2.0 diesel, 150 hp. So yeah, at this rate I would earn 160k in about 8 years 🥵
Completely wrong, AI is replacing difficult one, midjourney can make digital paintings which even most experienced and experts in the field can't do, just for example what generative AI can do in seconds, a expert will need hours
I can relate to this so much In my graduation project we were making an app for our facility, I was responsible of the backend of the app and had to learn (flutter) a new framework for me even though I use dotnet for everything I had a lot of sleepless night to study and get everything working together. Meanwhile the one who is responsible of the design got the work done in 2 days and got the most credit in the end even though we helped him chosing the colors and the wireframe 🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂
Tbh UI and UX should be done by two different people. If you have a good UX Designer, they will align with the devs so that the project has a realistic scope
@@iclonethefirst they are actually different roles. And it's not like UX designers find most difficult things for developers to do they are just recommending what's good for the user based on research and data. It's not actually ux persons job to see how long development is going to take or weather they can make it easy for developers. Like it or not but devloper happiness is not a business priority customer and user happiness is. I have been both a designer and a programmer so i have seen both sides.
Lol my ex is a ux researcher and it looked like all she did was go to meetings and ask users how they felt about the website. She makes 120k + a year, this after being in ux for 1.5 years.
@@robertmusil1107 you have no idea what UX is. UX is first and most important step in app development. Just look at apple, their main focus is impecable UX.
Copying and pasting is for amateurs. Spending about 70% of the time in the debugger and writing / running unit tests as opposed to actual source code is more like it. But yes, I do agree with the google search and stackoverflow being a vital part of the process, journey.
@@tejtrickseither go to college or learn it by yourself. There's a lot of free class. But remember this. When you apply to company especially the big one they will prefer someone with degree.
I thought $160k was steep as well (especially given the relatively basic requirements in the video), but 1/6 is about $26k or ca. 2200 a month? Your name sounds Dutch, maybe Belgian or something... I don't know if that is before or after income tax, but either way, if you're actually a software engineer and you're actually educated, actually experienced and actually keep your skills honed and up-to-date (and are willing to demonstrate that by some portfolio and/or coding tests etc.), you should be able to *at least* double that without too much trouble.
@@squidprince2456 It obviously depends a lot on where you are in the world, whether you are self-employed or not, your actual skill levels, and (IMO often overlooked as a senior ability) your ability to teach/lead others.
@@rijden-nu It's in $ so I assumed we were talking about USA location. Then of course it's based on the skills (but I think for $160k you should be really a monster in programming, someone unreplaceable for the company)
@@IamTx216 fair point/question. So the company I work for has a dedicated team of recruiters and sourcers. What I mean by that is I lead a couple of the recruitment teams
@@PeaceOfMake I would say the opposite as I have had to learn from the hiring managers (aka the head programmers and computer engineers) at the company of what they do in the day to day life so I can understand what they are looking for and I can effectively lead my team to hire the correct employees. what you are suggesting is kind of a appeal to authority fallacy. Just because I am not an expert or rather a coder does not mean I cant understand how a coder works or thinks.
I’m a senior UX designer and I have a great relationship with my dev team because we are constantly discussing what we need of each other and then level set with PM’s. I don’t design wacky and crazy things and I always use an atomic design system (MUI based) and consistent layouts and components between pages. A lot of times, when harmony is reached between dev and UX, the end user really benefits!
Its always good to remind engineers what a human is. I wish scientific software had someone who atleast talked to a human before take a look at it before shipping
dude any program like Figma can make any design responsive and creates the code. Developers aren't doing much and if they were to design anything it'd look like windows 95
Where i work they send vague instructions to an unperforming lndian tech firm along with millions of euros. When we test and say its unusable management just hires more project managers and shells out millions more in "change requests" that wont change the core issues.
@Mr.Scary_Stories I doubt it my friend... Your reply was ironically the perfect way to illustrate my point: "unhorrible" is indeed the logical adjective in this case since it symmetrically describes your solution, but a HORRIBLE choice of words... "Intuitive" would have been the correct choice here (meaning, "intuitive" would have been the intuitive choice of words for neurotypicals to intuitively grasp your point). See my point lol? My friend, this is a planet of James Kirks, not Spocks, we're just alien visitors on this planet of apes... The logical choice is to adapt to their ways, not make them adapt to ours. Live long and prospect, a fellow Spock.
@@Not_in_use-z9r Yeah, you're definitely Mr. People's-Skills lol... Buddy, every UX job is a also sales job (i.e. convincing stakeholders your design is optimal). In other words, god forbid your company is employing you as a UX professional lol...
@@AdityaKumar-op5zc you mean Hyperplexed channel? Weirdly enough I like that channel. I was talking about different channel. Just search "supafast figma" it should be on top.
As a UX designer I can relate to almost every part of this short. But developers do get annoyed by us designer but that’s what makes the work a bit more interesting don’t you think😅
@@BTboy21 Hi Manoj , you can start by knowing the basic principles on UI/UX design such as ser interface design, user experience design, color theory, typography, layout design, and user research. Step 2 - Reading Design books can also help you understand the concepts of UI/UX. Books like "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug, "The Design of Everyday Things" by Don Norman, and "Designing Interfaces" by Jenifer Tidwell these are a good starting point. Step 3- Practice designing by creating your own UI/UX designs for different types of products or services. You can start by sketching out ideas on paper, creating wireframes in design software like Figma or Sketch. Step 4- Share your designs with others and get feedback for your work. Step 5- Learn design software like Figma, Sketch, or Adobe XD. These tools can help you create high-fidelity designs and prototypes. Step 6- Stay up to date on latest trends on UI/UX. This is something I followed, it worked for me. You have ample resources on google to know all this.
@@BTboy21 For projects you have a lot of open projects where you can join and contribute your part and gain a lot of knowledge. For your job, you need to build a UI/UX portfolio containing all your designs and pitch the same in the resume. Get strong in your basics and core deign principles. Once you land your first job then you can build your career from there on.
10PM Customer: Hi, we decide to change colour of website to something gradient like, and change screen container to different size, and we notice some mistakes on your main page, so we decide to change it entirely. I will send this file to your work email box. As you can remember we have tough deadlines, so please be ready to show project tomorrow at the morning. Good luck 👍
UI designer: "Ah yes, this text box should be in the middle"
Front-end dev: "HOW THE FUCK DO I CENTER THIS DIV"
display: flex; 😌
position: absolute;
top: 50%;
left: 50%;
transform: translate(-50%, -50%);
display : grid ;
place-items : center ;
thanks me later 💀💀
@@ecayeta problem is transform may position elements at like half pixels and then they become blurry.
display: flex;
align-items: center;
justify-content: center;
basically, designer's dream is developer's nightmare
Haha well said
Similar to an architects dreams is an engineer's nightmare
nop, Im both
Spot on.
just be both lmao
"An artistic ui designer is the developer's biggest enemy"
💀💀💀
no thats qa
Nope it’s QA
Assassin him💀
This is the exact same vibe an engineer has with an architect
If you're typing that much and don't just stare into the void for hours you're definitely a junior
im definitely not a senior but I stare into the void alot too 😂
idk y but when im coding i just like write down one line and stare outer space for eternity until i figure out the next line
I started trying to learn coding days ago and I do that 😂
I'm failing my C++ course.
Keykron k6? Good keyboard.
Designer : "this overlapping design is aesthetically pleasing"
Front end dev : "THE WHAT? "
*Faints*
wkwkkwwkwkwk
Time to start overlapping nested divs
Starts aggressively using position absolute and does when they have to work on responsiveness
😂👻
this is like the relationship between architect and structural engineer but on the internet
HOLY SHIT I DIDNT REALIZE THIS COMMENT POPPED OFF. Happened to see this vid one year later. Thank u all ily
civil engineering yep
But the problem here is mostly the archs getting more money
Great reference!
Yep. Exactly the same. People doing a useful job and on the other hand mac users who shouldn't exist at all....
yep...archi. mostly is incharge of the design so hard to adjust the materials or the connection on structures 😅 just to make their design possible....
University: Plagiarism is unacceptable
Work: "Man I stole your code" "It's not my code"
haha true ..
🤣 ahhh you know no one is going to do 8 hour code when its already available
what about interviews tho?
@@renaldiroekanto789 Interviews: Plagrism is acceptable 😎😎😎
it only takes a few month into work to realize you don't want to be the guy to "try new things" at work.
As someone who's done both, neither job is very easy, one requires you make ritual sacrifice to the gods of code and the other demands you create an interface that somehow checks all the boxs of uniqueness while also somehow checking all the box's for familiarity.
Well said. A designer is like a movie director; walking the user through the app like a director guiding your attention across a movie screen. Both require insight, foresight, and successfully managing many moving pieces. Look at apps with horrible user-interfaces to understand how hard it is to design a massive enterprise app that's both usable and intuitive.
yeah, I'm an SE, but I took a few classes for Mobile Designing, and there's a lot of theory into it
boxes. The plural you're looking for is boxes.
Developer's job is lot harder a designer can never develop anything but a developer can design as well because it's not that hard
@ThatFatKid714 that's absolutely not true. I've met plenty of developers who can't design a paper bag. Many developers are introverted and a bit socially awkward, meaning they don't really understand how general people want to interact with an interface.
Their code can be DaVinci but if the interface is dogshit nobody is gonna use it.
“I can’t work on windows, I’m a programmer, I need a linux!”
true
Sameeee
🙃
Yup bro
That's what I was thinking. Or at least python... (Which either machines can run so again wtf?)
Who tf uses a Mac for literally anything besides web surfing?
This is literally another version of Civil Engineer vs Architect lol
same with accountant vs auditor lol
Machinist vs design engineer
In aerospace engineering it’s the aerodynamicists vs structural engineers
Kindly do your research before becoming keyboard warrior. Architect is much more than just designing.
@@tanqiann2962 relax
Whenever I design an interface, I make sure that our dev will be able to do it for sure. Most of the time, it's me vs the business so that the devs can solely focus on making it, not fighting the people.
Thankyou
I do UX design with my start-up during my college years. I have my best bud as dev so every time I am about to design something, I would ask of his capability & time too.
I mean there will be something necessary that he needs to do out of his comfort zone, but if he must take months to learn or code that thing, it’s better for me and the whole team to just avoid it.
As a frontend dev... thank you
I’ve learned that more you move up in the company, the less work you do and the more you get paid.
Huh?
Try managing people and see how easy is it
@@BarrelTitor91it’s true
Well, the higher you move up, the more your job tends to be managing or handling big picture stuff. So yeah, you wouldn't be doing quite as much hands-on work. That goes for almost any field.
@@ccramit you have more responsibility and have harder decisions to make so it can be more stressful but it’s usually less work even considering hands off/hands on as equal
UI Designer: "More curvy edges!"
It's so!
Border-radius
Borderless with a shadow when hovering
half of my css is literally border-radius: 5px;😭
The issue is not rounded edges... The issue is just one rounded edge in a square or freaking blurry everything... Not opacity... Blur...
"I'm a designer, I need MAC" XD
You bet your sweet a** we do! I'm a UX/UI designer, I want to work on the platform with the best user experience. Apple is a sh*t company, selling their products at ridiculous premiums, but the one thing you can't fault them on though, is the user experience, it is best in class.
i hate macs
@@ryan.8783 it's because you're poor?)
Ahahahah xD
@@ryan.8783 Broke
As a former architect, who switched to UX Design. Yes, i still make my colleague's nightmare
😂😂
Can you help me i also want to become UX designer
Hey should i go for cloud computing or ux design? Is it like mind boggling job? The ux design.
@@nareshprajapati2373 if you like dealing more with people than with data, computers, etc. you can consider it. if people is not your thing. keep where you are.
The angry typing is so on point.
Designer: "All I want you to do is add a small popup-dialogue that let's the user see if a similar product is available online".
Coder: "This will take 3 months, and a complete re-architecture of the product. I hate you".
A few moments later the designer changes their mind.
True that happens
Client *
No that's the client. They want to move the button 2px left
1day later
It’s not the designer that changes their mind, it’s the client.
Developer: 200 tabs of stack overflow opened up causing their ancient computer’s 2 gigabytes of ddr3 to overheat and start a fire
As someone working on software atm and not even as a job, can confirm.
Lol so I am not the only crazy guy with 50+ tabs in my browser
@@evanj5844 I constantly have about 40+ in a personal browser and around 15 in a browser I use for work. Got 48 gb ram for Photoshop, but easily managing all this tabs is a nice bonus. 💅
You mean ddr2
plus multiple instances of IDE with multiple pages open in each. Not to mention whatever your tunes are playing on. I don't care how much ram a system has, I can destroy that ram.
I'm laughing but why is tears coming out from my eyes?
- someone who have worked with ui/ux people
😂
OMG, too funny 🤣🤣🤣.
ok
hoho
I never did. I always do my own UI/UX send it to an UI/UX team who over does it. Then I code it. I am a front end dev.
Since you have worked with UI guys... question: How does this creatures function? And how is t to work with them?
As a designer I can confirm that I hate mac with every inch of my body
What do you use
@@shringe9769 A Windows pc oc
As a programmer that works from home, I hate MacOS but M2 uses less power than intel laptops and it's faster than them. (Ryzen uses even more power than intel on idle and code typing, sad)
@@howardlam6181new ryzen not. I can do 10 hours of battery of programming. And my ryzen is also 4 years old. The issue is with Windows and manifacturers: Windows 11 doesn't like the L3 cache (a lot used by amd) and it wants to use modern standby (also present on Macs) that is literally the worse thing ever happened to laptops but an Intel idea... and manifacturers like HP does not give decent driver support and also locks down everything... When in tablet mode my notebook goes into turbojet mode, but this issue doesn't happen to the same model but the Intel variant... It is freaking the same controller why can't I have a decent driver or at least not be locked by the specific manifacturer bios?!?
@@TrioLOLGamers Dude, I have watt meter measuring the power consumption. Numbers don't lie. 12W idle for Ryzen based mini pcs.
I've seen apps designed by the engineer. Those UI/UX guys are worth every penny.
As a UX designer, it's also a lot more than just clicking and dropping UI elements. (Depending on the budget of the project) it's a lot of research into the target group and a lot of prototype testing.
It's making a design that is not only functional but beautiful.
Imagine a company paying you hundreds of thousands of dollars to make relatively simple decisions such as "where is the checkout button" or "what is the menu structure like", that's a lot of pressure to make damn sure that those are perfect.
@@hejalll 😊
@@hejalll how could i get started at ui/ux design
@@noodlepot-rs2gs I took a bachelor, if you don't want to go the route of formal education I imagine there are some briliant courses on varies websites such as skillshare.
Main thing is, you want to build a strong portfolio, that's the number one thing.
What I did was I joined varies design competitions, that way you're given defined boundaries which help fuel creativity, as well given a real world case.
@@hejalll thanks i am only in year 9 so i cant really get any formal education that isnt secondary school
I can totally relate to this
When you're both a software engineer and a designer, and you're still getting paid less
Then what's the point of being both ?????
ye whats the point just for kicks😅
Its all about the algorithm that i imagine😂😂
@@kamm3021 Because the employer ask to do so😂
@@kamm3021(name: Amir Hamja) If you leave the job.... it hard to get job
Meanwhile hardware engineers working their asses of on designing computer chips and only making 70k$ a year 😂
No. The senior engineers at Intel make more than 100K a year
@@dweepayansharma892 L
"only"
@@brosplit bro, that's more than what most make in three years
Idk man, embedded engineers are really well paid, even compiler engineers (a very specialized field ) are one of the most well paid along with quants developers in the coding market scene.
don't let him demotivate you, you can become whatever you want
Who said he is doing that?
And who actually would choose or not choose to become something based of a 60 sec vidoe? Lmao
Found the UI designer
@@KingdomRepublicit is making me demotivated. I'm currently learning mathematics and algorithms and codes and it's hella hard and I don't understand anything. If I'm going to earn less in a job where I work all day using all of my brain power while some dude colors and reshapes things and is done in less hours and less stress, why wouldn't I reconsider my life decisions?
@@alial6658you wont keep faith in u you will also earn 120k or above
@@alial6658depends on if you actually like the job or not. if you don’t even like software engineering then what’s the point in the first place?
UIUX : "ahh yes , this animation looks dobe"
DEVELOPER: " how the fack am gonna impliment this ?"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
this dude: www.youtube.com/@KevinPowell
if uiux guy implements animation because it looks cool, that guy is bad at uiux.
@@sykowhite9465no ui ux designer says that that's sarcasm, wake the f up
@@sykowhite9465 Cope 😄
The relationship between mangaka and animator be like
😂 exactly 💯
True
@@anis9427 How can you know? 🧐
But the mangaka is the ui designer right 😅😅
Loooool
I'm a software engineer and my dad is a engineer. Now I understood his frustrations with architects.
As an architectural designer sorry your dad has to put up with people us lol
"... frustration with bad architects..."
A good one (technically speaking) will go hand in hand with engineers :)
You mean like civil engineer and arquitech? 😅 😂 my brain is just burned at this point of investigations haha
@@WWG1-WGA System and Software development also has architects.
Technically it's not possible to develop a good product without good architecture :)
As a software engineer, I don’t even know what I just watched
So ur not software engineer or junior
@@0day469 ehh i think i do a pretty good job, i made a functional mobile app literally this morning, all shipped.
If the designer actually get to hear how many times I swear within a day, implementing their design, they will never forgive me :/
So ur a developer huh 👍🏽😀
Sucks for u 😛 🤣 be a designer
If you get to hear how many people have an opinion about what the design should be and what designer should do , you would appreciate your work more that nobody comes to you and saying to change this color , why don't do this or that ... and you have to explain and convince and argue , and sometimes forced to do something just because stakeholders said so . while nobody tells you how to do your stuff , as long as it works as expected .
This is why as a UI/UX designer I learned how to code so I can sympathize with you
Lucky me, our designer and front end developer is the same person.
Ui designer: Ah yes I'll move the button by one pixel to make it perfect
Front end guy: *internal suffering*
Actually that is true... Best graphic design work centering and arrangements by one pixel can throw things off.
I do some UI work, and I work with a good programmer. Is UI is typical of programming. Does it function? Yes. Good enough. So we work together to create a finished product.
1 pixel? try being told to move half a pixel and having to explain to them how impossible it is lol
@@opelfrost yep. Silly isn't it? But it happens with graphic elements. Like buttons, etc. "Not quite centered". Just have to live with it.
Also the shape of letters is a factor of balance.
@@opelfrost It should be possible to display an element at sub pixel accuracy. It all actually boils down to neighboring pixel's sharing a single pixel value which is proportionally split between them (the close the edge to the one pixel, the more of the original value it gets). The question at hand is, whether or not subpixel accuracy is actually needed and supported by whatever framework you are using.
Just throwing it out there for anyone interested
@@sniperfreek it's not possible because all your renderer are either directx, opengl, vulkan or metal (or their mobile equivalent), ofc i'm only considering desktop and mobile devices (ios/android) since they are the mostly used devices
and for all those renderer i'm stating, the minimum unit is a pixel, you can't go below it, what you said is true that technically you can, but unless you want to start creating your own renderer and come up with a new standard that works with existing GPU and somehow get those GPU manufacturers to work with you on it, it's not possible
so each pixel only has 1 colour, you can't have more than 1 colour, it's the minimum unit you can access (it's actually physically impossible unless we go back to CRT monitor)
As a design major, i would to apologize for the programmers i will hurt after i graduate.
Apologize to yourself for wasting money on that degree.
@@poison7512 127k a year🤝🏽
@@LorrieTheFirst is that how much ui designers make
@@suyini734 Lmao no
@@Joe-pe8fe no? Th3y make more?
As a person who does both UX Design and Front-end Development, both sides are not easy. Wait till you have to interview users and observe them work completely contrary to what the rest of the usability research says, making you have to redesign a solution again and again. Or having endless workarounds to code a beautiful design that sits on a legacy back-end too difficult to rewrite and dealing with API errors.
just realized this is similar to architects and engineers
wtf architect is one of the most difficult job
No it’s not, architects are too close to engineering.
You really have no idea to what architects really do , it's almost the complete opposite
@@soheibabadlia8504 I am one
No, architects have to make sure their creation is safe and technically/financially feasable while ui/ux just care about looks and don't even understand where the limits are and how much work it would tale to achieve.
Windows is for the accountants
Linux is for the developers
Mac is for the designers
Well said
Not true. So many DEVS in Windows, esp web stuff. Maybe for servers linux could be the perfect system.
For designers, it may vary from one's preference. I use to do Mac a lot, but 90% of my clients are in windows. Hence windows. Is mac better than windows. For me, windows is the best way to go BECAUSE, windows have a LOT of tools vs mac. So many opensource tools that you can use in windows vs mac.
Now the question is what do you mean by designer? I know some of the highest paid designers in visual effects at industrial light and Magic exclusively use windows because the really good software, doesn't run on crapple. ... also windows users don't drink Bud Light.
@@privateuploads5397 I wasn't trying to make a truth I was making a joke
@@privateuploads5397 yeah this whole idea designers should use macs came from a very long time ago when it might have slightly been true… now days it literally makes no difference for design aside from different keyboard shortcuts and macs lack of support and functions in other areas
‘Im a designer i need mac’ 😂
Fr
@pingu69420 Well, totally depends. Of course, a Mac is made for working like this, so it is indeed a very good choice, but it wouldn't be impossible.
Coders these days also not unlikely to code on mac, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doesnt really matter
@pingu69420 That doesn't disprove me, does it?
@pingu69420 Ah great. Just wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand you! :D
But y
Despite the creativity that a designer should have, the computing power required from a programmer is much higher, so he deserves to be payed fairly
I’ve never seen a submit button right after the text boxes before, genius!
UI designer: ah yes should be in the middle
Developer: WHY ISNT THE CODE WORKING?
WHY IS THE CODE WORKING?
Ah yes, the good ol "wtf, this actually works? It should- what-!?"
yeah bruh i literally just type some shit and for some reason it worked
like how the hell did it work after all that work?
one time i went to sleep after my code frustrated me for an hour.
came back, made a quick change, and it worked.
Why doesn't it work though? You can convert the design into html code automatically in figma right?
I'm a UX designer. I wish my life was as easy as this video says.
Hi! I'm actually thinking about getting into UX design. Would you mind if I ask you some questions?
instead of asking to ask, I'll directly ask this: what makes it hard? I'm also interested in UX.
Well, as an user the best UX I've ever use is this banking app that practically doesn't change from 2011, meanwhile I'm frustrated by "modern and simplistic" banking apps from the past 2-3 years.
It's m-bca
@@nomeduele0 building an understanding of what users want. You will have to empathy a lot with them. Getting to know them and theirs needs by reasearch like (for example) interviews. You have to leaen to ask questions and understand. You have to predict a lot because you can't ask them for everything and you don't have the budget for it anyways. You have to have a lot of design rules in the back of your head. And so on :)
@@Party_Pineapple junior designer here, maybe i can be of some help?
I was expecting some kind of joke, but this is like a documentary, very accurate.
The Full Stack guy just laughing at both of them
Maniacally 🤣
Full stack is easier than java/all C
Full-stack developers are mediocre in all aspects of programming. Like Bruce Lee said once, "I don't fear full-stack developers".
Full stack devs don't design usually we work on frontend backend or middleware.Thwre is still a design team usually That sips coffee for salaries.
@@alexbork4250 there are rare people which do all but yeah for the most part
Took a photoshop class and got mocked to shit for using windows, even the instructor got in on the roast. But it was an intro class and I already had 3 years of experience, so I just whooped their asses with photoshop to get back
This was me in design school. But they weren't all that mean to me, I was the best designer there.
You can't be mean to the person who actually knows how to use the software, regardless of OS.
Me who uses Linux:
"OK, **runs command** it's a Mac now."
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 It would explain why modern UI is barely usable between all the excessive *w h i t e s p a c e .*
Edit: Original reply was deleted.
@@user2C47you changed the shell layer didn't you?
@@Inf4mousKidGames Nope, just a theme.
Ah yes. Jobs are always easier when you don’t have to work on it.
Aah, a UX Designer In the comments.😅
Ui designer: let’s just round out the corners.
Developers: WHO DELETED HALF OF THE CODE???
As a Software engineer, I can confirm that this is what we do all day. It's fucking stressful.
seriously?
@@diceydazeit's extremely stressful. It's not shown in the video but there's a lot of researching (googling) and copy and pasting but there is a lot of typing like this. For the stress, imagine writing an extremely long persuasive essay on a deadline. You are writing it in a unique unspoken language where the sentence structure determines what each paragraph is trying to convey, the paragraphs combined change your argument as well. After spending 10 continuous hours writing, you finally hit a button to see if you get the outcome you want.... And the conclusion is the exact opposite of what you were going for. So you now spend 10 hours a day for the next week trying to fix that, all the while you have other projects coming in and your deadline is now only a week away with the project going live for customers three days after that.
@@diceydazedepends on the job, some require you to do way less than this, some might be quite demanding
As a software engineer, I feel bad for you. Never in my 10yrs have I coded like that.
It is only stressful if you don't like your job
As someone who's tried front-end web development, this is 100% accurate
As a software engineer, I can testify that is 100% correct
😂
Them Using a mac when you have a really expensive windows pc is the most true thing ever 😂😂
You are really fast at googling those stack overflow threads.
Is so unreal that some people get paid 8 times more for the same job I do, based on location and "cost of living".
Amen :/ To be fair it does show how those (me included) in poorer countries are merely underpaid workers thanks to a world economic system that subsidizes costs for richer countries by underpaying those in poor countries (being paid less for the same work - it's like the life' and thus 'time' of a person from a richer country is more valuable than that of ours with the same skill and knowledge - both people have similar lifetimes on earth, so essentially your life is valued less if you're from a poor country...).
We would need a world economic system that has similar tiers of wages, and the same minimum wage across the planet, for it to be be truly fair for the poorest/most underpaid (using a common universal currency). Free market would eventually balance out costs of goods and services fairly across the world even if we did this
So, you make 1/8 of either of those salaries? 😳
@@efisgpr I am a software engineer AND full stack developer in Romania, and i earn 1600 euro/ month. Its real that you can earn up to 4000 euro/ month, but you need to be senior with 15-20 year experience. I have 23 years, so having 15-20 years experience is impossible for me. 1 month worth of work goes on car matinance and insurance, and i have nothing fancy. 2015 car, 2.0 diesel, 150 hp. So yeah, at this rate I would earn 160k in about 8 years 🥵
@@brold6111 ok but you live in a shithole thirdworld eastern european country. That 1600 Europe is probably pretty good.
@@brold6111you have a car?
Always remember:
"The easier your job, the easier you are getting replaced by AI"
Completely wrong, AI is replacing difficult one, midjourney can make digital paintings which even most experienced and experts in the field can't do, just for example what generative AI can do in seconds, a expert will need hours
@@Sharkyfinn sure
I used chatgpt to code for me 😭
Lmao, Chatgtp can do programming not designing!
@@Ryze_Tuzeafter some time gpt will start designing much better than developing. This is just the beginning 😮
UI Designer: "I broke my nail, daddy hold me"
The snobbery is too accurate
"im a designer, i need mac". i know that its a skit, but i really wanted to punch that guy in the face for saying that. 😂
@@kenzacharyrodriguez2591grow up and have enough money to buy a Mac
I can relate to this so much
In my graduation project we were making an app for our facility, I was responsible of the backend of the app and had to learn (flutter) a new framework for me even though I use dotnet for everything I had a lot of sleepless night to study and get everything working together.
Meanwhile the one who is responsible of the design got the work done in 2 days and got the most credit in the end even though we helped him chosing the colors and the wireframe 🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂
poor you
@@harris.sensorsoffline6419site for school: WE NEED BLOCKCHAIN, MORE BLOCKCHAIN
Hey are you a backend developer?
You used flutter for backend???
The use of the MacBook with no mouse or screen, so real 😂
lol this will forever be one of my favorite videos on RUclips lol
Debussy in the background really hits the spot
The UI designer drinking some tea while the front end dev literally doesn't know whats going on
UI/UX guys just make things difficult for us Software engineers
I do get annoyed sometimes 😂😂
Lol
Only sometimes? 😅
@@unclecracker27 all the time honestly 😂😂😂
Tbh UI and UX should be done by two different people. If you have a good UX Designer, they will align with the devs so that the project has a realistic scope
@@iclonethefirst they are actually different roles. And it's not like UX designers find most difficult things for developers to do they are just recommending what's good for the user based on research and data. It's not actually ux persons job to see how long development is going to take or weather they can make it easy for developers. Like it or not but devloper happiness is not a business priority customer and user happiness is. I have been both a designer and a programmer so i have seen both sides.
UI UX designers to front end devs are like architects to structural engineers
My dream job as an introvert who wants to talk to computer and solve puzzles but I landed in a healthcare job. Hahaha.
Never too late to change
Bruh
I mean... This is 100% accurate. It hurts from inside.
We don’t have UI/UX at my company, they just force us to use winforms 😂
Small company
@@saidbadaoui1955 one of the biggest in the uk 😂
@@PepsiMan42069 nice 😂✌️
Wait for a designer designing “just a simple animation you know” 🤯😂
You forgot to put the hours of meetings with users and devs to make the magic happen
This is where the grind is with UX. Being told 10 different things and then getting blamed for everything
Lol my ex is a ux researcher and it looked like all she did was go to meetings and ask users how they felt about the website. She makes 120k + a year, this after being in ux for 1.5 years.
@@robertmusil1107 you have no idea what UX is. UX is first and most important step in app development. Just look at apple, their main focus is impecable UX.
Managements be like: I need this done in an hour. Coders be like another weekend working for free 😑
Lol I have done that and felt the same.
Don’t do that.
why did you both even do that for
I’m a software engineer and I’ve never been told I need this done by x time. Much less by x hour. Your employer sounds really shitty.
Update -- looking for a new job past employer took 1 month of my salary and fired me after completing the entire project as requested.
Ok this made me cackle out loud. Spot on!
Yeah that's me, i'm the designer 😂
How much you earn bro
dodo
@@phanikatam4048can I have your money
How do you get work?
@@Scarfuim😂😂what?
Backend engineer but try shifting a div and changing the css of a box you'll automatically gain respect for UI UX engineer
Yeah.
Civil Engineer: "first time?"
I'm a designer, I need mac
If you asked me a couple of months ago I'd say why?
Now after 4 years in UX I now know why
Software engineer is nothing like that. Over half of the time is spent on stack overflow and google, copying and pasting code and seeing if it works.
Copying and pasting is for amateurs. Spending about 70% of the time in the debugger and writing / running unit tests as opposed to actual source code is more like it. But yes, I do agree with the google search and stackoverflow being a vital part of the process, journey.
@skilz8098 sometimes half the time is figuring out what your team wants from a half baked story/assignment
yeah and please tell me those who writes on stack overflow they copy paste from where?
Nope
I personnally go on stack overflow only when i'm stuck....
Actually no , maybe you do this
that button placement was spectacular though
Indeed. 😂
I’m a UX designer and this is 100% accurate 😅
How can i learn uxui ?
@@tejtricksI don't know exactly but maybe by giving exams like UCEED/NID
@@tejtrickseither go to college or learn it by yourself. There's a lot of free class. But remember this. When you apply to company especially the big one they will prefer someone with degree.
Hi, what degree or course in college you took to become UX/UI designer?
so I think u r not a UX designer with this statement
My bro works front end but he learned how the back end works so hopefully he’s not pissing too many engineers off
$160k for a software engineer? Thats about 6x more than what this software engineer with 25 years experience gets.
Jeez, that sucks. Ever thought about relocating? 25 years is enough to scale to the big salaries.
I thought $160k was steep as well (especially given the relatively basic requirements in the video), but 1/6 is about $26k or ca. 2200 a month? Your name sounds Dutch, maybe Belgian or something... I don't know if that is before or after income tax, but either way, if you're actually a software engineer and you're actually educated, actually experienced and actually keep your skills honed and up-to-date (and are willing to demonstrate that by some portfolio and/or coding tests etc.), you should be able to *at least* double that without too much trouble.
I think a good one with experience and responsibilities can arrive at 130k.
Honestly 160k looks really very high
@@squidprince2456 It obviously depends a lot on where you are in the world, whether you are self-employed or not, your actual skill levels, and (IMO often overlooked as a senior ability) your ability to teach/lead others.
@@rijden-nu It's in $ so I assumed we were talking about USA location.
Then of course it's based on the skills (but I think for $160k you should be really a monster in programming, someone unreplaceable for the company)
As a UI/UX designer I can confirm this true 🌝 , but our main part is creativity.
No, main part is understanding users.
And if you don't do work to understand them, you're not a UX designer.
As a lead recruiter for a big tech company that deals with UX and software engineers I can confirm this as 100% accurate
@@IamTx216 fair point/question. So the company I work for has a dedicated team of recruiters and sourcers. What I mean by that is I lead a couple of the recruitment teams
@@IamTx216 for sure my bad haha I can see how my wording was confusing now 😂
@@IamTx216I read it as lead😂😂😂 as in the metal😂😂😂 lead painter. The silent serial killer
A recruiter has no insight into true everyday work of any of those professions. Stay in your lane.
@@PeaceOfMake I would say the opposite as I have had to learn from the hiring managers (aka the head programmers and computer engineers) at the company of what they do in the day to day life so I can understand what they are looking for and I can effectively lead my team to hire the correct employees.
what you are suggesting is kind of a appeal to authority fallacy. Just because I am not an expert or rather a coder does not mean I cant understand how a coder works or thinks.
I’m a senior UX designer and I have a great relationship with my dev team because we are constantly discussing what we need of each other and then level set with PM’s. I don’t design wacky and crazy things and I always use an atomic design system (MUI based) and consistent layouts and components between pages. A lot of times, when harmony is reached between dev and UX, the end user really benefits!
The fact UX designers have to deal with people for interviews, workshops, and task assignments, that empathy skills justify the pay.
Its always good to remind engineers what a human is.
I wish scientific software had someone who atleast talked to a human before take a look at it before shipping
Google's new logo designer laughing at the corner
UI designer: *Casually puts box anywhere.
Front end dev: "Now HOW the Hell am I supposed to make it RESPONSIVE"
dude any program like Figma can make any design responsive and creates the code. Developers aren't doing much and if they were to design anything it'd look like windows 95
And in comes QA and tells them both how it really *should* be, if it has to be functional and remotely usable.
Average salary: $80K
Huh? QA doesn't create requirements.
shame....yeah the people with real brains never make much
Where i work they send vague instructions to an unperforming lndian tech firm along with millions of euros. When we test and say its unusable management just hires more project managers and shells out millions more in "change requests" that wont change the core issues.
relatable @@zteaxon7787
That turtle neck worth $140k per year
😂😂
And then he uses figma IN THE BROWSER 😂😂
The Figma desktop app is essentially a browser wrapped with a custom interface.
@@shableep it's Webassembly,
Fun Fact: A Software Engineer can do UI/UX as well :)
No, they can't... I've seen many apps designed by engineers. Horrible user experience.
@@super266 but i can design it with unhorrible user experience.
@Mr.Scary_Stories I doubt it my friend... Your reply was ironically the perfect way to illustrate my point: "unhorrible" is indeed the logical adjective in this case since it symmetrically describes your solution, but a HORRIBLE choice of words...
"Intuitive" would have been the correct choice here (meaning, "intuitive" would have been the intuitive choice of words for neurotypicals to intuitively grasp your point). See my point lol?
My friend, this is a planet of James Kirks, not Spocks, we're just alien visitors on this planet of apes... The logical choice is to adapt to their ways, not make them adapt to ours.
Live long and prospect,
a fellow Spock.
@@super266 thanks for your worthless opinion
@@Not_in_use-z9r Yeah, you're definitely Mr. People's-Skills lol... Buddy, every UX job is a also sales job (i.e. convincing stakeholders your design is optimal). In other words, god forbid your company is employing you as a UX professional lol...
dont forget that every change a ui designer makes needs to make everything done before it not work)
I started to learn to code today and I'm just loving those coding videos popping up
This is why I clicked "Don't recommend this channel" on that supafast figma guy. I could hear my heart shattering everytime I watched his shorts.
I’ve seen some of his videos.
You mean the one who says classic sites like steam and Wikipedia are boring and need to be changed ?
Dude when he removes footers and stuff that giant corps need for accessibility 😆 it's like "bruh it's not there for style" fkn bs
@@AdityaKumar-op5zc you mean Hyperplexed channel? Weirdly enough I like that channel.
I was talking about different channel. Just search "supafast figma" it should be on top.
Thats why u start in backend and move up to front end cuz reverse aint possible
Mean while Support Engineer : 🗿
😂😂😂😂
24/7 rush hour babyy
Bro is so successful, i will become a senior software engineer in future!
Good thing I am a software engineer on a UI/UX team
As a software engineer, I can confirm your pc can catch on fire
As a UX designer I can relate to almost every part of this short. But developers do get annoyed by us designer but that’s what makes the work a bit more interesting don’t you think😅
Haha. I agree. But Software developers do need UI/UX guidance.
Hii aditya bhai can you help.me, i also want to become ux/ui designer, how can i start and where should i learn from
@@BTboy21 Hi Manoj , you can start by knowing the basic principles on UI/UX design such as ser interface design, user experience design, color theory, typography, layout design, and user research.
Step 2 - Reading Design books can also help you understand the concepts of UI/UX. Books like "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug, "The Design of Everyday Things" by Don Norman, and "Designing Interfaces" by Jenifer Tidwell these are a good starting point.
Step 3- Practice designing by creating your own UI/UX designs for different types of products or services. You can start by sketching out ideas on paper, creating wireframes in design software like Figma or Sketch.
Step 4- Share your designs with others and get feedback for your work.
Step 5- Learn design software like Figma, Sketch, or Adobe XD. These tools can help you create high-fidelity designs and prototypes.
Step 6- Stay up to date on latest trends on UI/UX.
This is something I followed, it worked for me. You have ample resources on google to know all this.
@@adityameka6511 thank you so much brother, can i get a job or project by learning by myself?
@@BTboy21 For projects you have a lot of open projects where you can join and contribute your part and gain a lot of knowledge.
For your job, you need to build a UI/UX portfolio containing all your designs and pitch the same in the resume. Get strong in your basics and core deign principles. Once you land your first job then you can build your career from there on.
UI/UX be like : You dont need to learn new stack anymore. I love my job😄
10PM Customer: Hi, we decide to change colour of website to something gradient like, and change screen container to different size, and we notice some mistakes on your main page, so we decide to change it entirely. I will send this file to your work email box. As you can remember we have tough deadlines, so please be ready to show project tomorrow at the morning. Good luck 👍
FYI
This is also what people who studied Engineering think of Software Engineers
Why Is that?
Bro is designer, no developer codes like writing a goddamn article