Meister Eckhart and Kierkegaard on authenticity
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Kierkegaard: be what you are. Eckhart: yes, be God!
Can we blend Kierkegaard and Eckhart to get a viable form of religion? Dr. Johnson discusses Kierkegaard's idea of authenticity with Eckhart's natural longing for the divine.
Dr. Johnson teaches philosophy at Georgia Tech. He is the author of Paradox at Play: Metaphor in Meister Eckhart's Sermons by Catholic University of America Press. It includes many sermons never before translated into English.
Meister Eckhart, Paradox at Play
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Why is chanel not bursting at the seams? It is so pertinent to our cultural crisis, accessible to ordinary people like me, and hosted by a dynamic and joyful teacher. Blessings from Ireland.
Thank you so much - it’s so nice to hear!! 😄
I would like to mention the person down below because she talked about passion as a calling and backs up what is talked about in this video.
Peace Pilgrim, a modern day mystic spoke about one having a calling(s) (something(s) passionate) that could be used to serve people offering us the possibility of coming closer to what she called God as well as a way to get out of our heads, selfish desires, etc…She is one that really did seem to have died to self. She is worth checking out on RUclips. There is a documentary on her called “Peace Pilgrim, an American Sage".
I should add that Peace Pilgrim taught people certain steps they could use to be in the world that would help with their maturity and thereby prepare for the psychological growing up that would lead us,, in my words to die to self.and find inner peace.
Thank you for this. Kiergegaard’s authenticity offended many church professionals in much the same way Jesus did to the Temple priests.
You’re quite welcome
An excellent project. Looking forward to the building blocks
I am currently absorbed by the idea that the meaning of life and our purpose is to become ourselves. Become the most authentic version of ourselves and this is a arduous journey of getting rid of the anxieties, insecurities, ego, false identities etcc and transform yourself ( into yourself ). Go through crucifixion and resurrect as your perfect, authentic self
Yes exactly! This was Jung’s project as well. Arguably, psychoanalysis in general reflects this push for authenticity that originated in Kierkegaard’s time. That’s why I think this might be really useful for people today!
Yes, he emphasizes seeing for yourself, experiencing, although NOT as a person (then we are still dreaming), but as our essential nature which is divine: 'There is nothing but God' (Spinoza).
Excellent again! This is Eckhart's moment
yes, indeed, thank you!!!
These two have kept me connected to church strangely enough. Kiergegaards “Works of Love” goes right to the heart of what it is to be a Christian.
I think God (perhaps simply through the algorithm) has brought me to your work here.
I have been on a real kick of both Kierkegaard and Echkart lately, and just yesterday was considering the two in conjunction with eachother!
Oh how funny! That’s terrific. I hope you enjoyed the blend of Eckhart and Kierkegaard. Is there anything else from Kierkegaard that you think might be useful?
I’m sure there’s more from Kierkegaard that I could use. I thought it made sense to make a general suggestion first and then go into more detail later if it makes sense
@@goodtothinkwithwell I've only begun exploring him with Concluding Unscientific Post-Script, Either/Or, and Fear and Trembling.
Where in his work do you find the thread of authenticity? Be yourself etc
Because that sounds to me a bit like the Esthete from Either/Or, no?
I see it all perfectly; there are two possible situations - one can either do this or that. My honest opinion and my friendly advice is this: do it or do not do it - you will regret both.
I did not regret to watch this video..👌
I’m so glad to hear that, thank you! 🙏
I'm not sure whether I'm a Christian or not. That may sound strange but, like many thousands from the 60s, I was forced to turn to the East to find a path which made sense to me. However, in recent years I have been overwhelmed by the writings of people such as Meister Eckhart and find it so easy to equate to what he writes. All the non-dualism, the Godhead, etc., these all make perfect sense to me - even though I only have a tiny intellectual grasp of what they point to.
I still have HUGE issues with Christian theology - essentially I do not believe that Jesus died in order to forgive our sins, I do not even believe in sin as such, And these are just some of the issues that causes me to doubt whether I'm really a Christian. However, I can say that if I had come across the Catholic mystics 50 years ago, I would not have turned to the East.
My own path is now that of Silent meditation - and this idea of Silence seems to be the message from many different sources. So, I'll just leave the rest up to . . . . . . whatever name you care to insert!
Awesome, thankyou
You’re quite welcome 🤗
Great video, Dr. Johnson! I would add that the sentence "yes, be God" is, of course, tongue-in-cheek, because Eckhart was historically ostracized because of catholic misunderstanding of his teachings. :-) I always understood the relation between God and man under the idea of the alius non aliud - it is not ontologically separate, but a different aspect. Everything that is, is in God. Like justice and the just in sermon Q6 Iusti vivent in aeternum (at least in German, I don't know if the English editions are labeled differently!).
Also, I find that there is overlap between the idea of the "Ruf des Gewissens" in §56 of Time and Being from Heidegger and Eckharts idea of authenticity, because Heidegger describes the conscience as something that calls out ostentatively, without a determined content. It is more like an appeal to be who you are, which seems to resonate with Eckhart's idea of the Seelenfünklein. Best wishes, I hope this makes sense!
Thank you! I suspect it’s something eckhart could have said according to his “in quantum” (insofar as) principle. Insofar as we consider what we are according to our being, we cannot do anything other than to “be God.” Yes - with Iusti vivent (you’re right - it’s DW I sermon 6) - quite right, that’s the same idea
I like the idea of working with Heidegger as well. There’s a clear connection with being of course and with his different conceptions of being with things and it the world. I’ll have to explore that further. I’ll check out the section you’re talking about - thanks for the suggestion!
Now that I finished the video. I think Peace Pilgrim would be very helpful to you as you are working on putting the pieces together At least it would be worth checking out.
Don't be fooled by her name she really was a profound mystic.
" Somebody asked Meister Eckhart - a really religious person - "When Jesus says 'Ask and it shall be given' why don't people ask? If it is just for asking's sake, why don't people ask? If he says seek and ye shall find, and he says only knock and the doors shall be opened unto you, then why don't people knock?" Eckhart laughed and he said, "For two reasons first you may ask and it may not be given to you, so people don't want to be frustrated; second, and a deeper reason, you may ask and it may be given to you. That is more frightening." That's why people don't try. They simply pay lip-service And you know, the whole world seems to be religious in a way people go to the temple to the mosques, to the churches They read the Bible, Koran, Gita, they recite the Vedas, they do mantras, but still there seems to be no religious consciousness at all The earth is surrounded by a very, very dark cloud of unconsciousness. There seems to be no light. The night seems to be utterly dark, not even a single star.
You have to be very, very aware of this, because you can do the same as people have been doing down the ages.
Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, Jainism - they are not true religions. They are pseudo, counterfeits. Christ is true, Christianity is false. Buddha is true, Buddhism is false. Buddhism is created by us, Buddha is not created by us; but we create Buddhism according to our needs, according to our ideas, according to our prejudices. WE create Buddha, we create Buddhism, we create a myth of Buddha. The real Buddha is not created by us. The real Buddha comes into existence IN SPITE of us. He has to fight to be! He has to find ways and means to exist. He has to find a way to get out of the prison that we call the society. But once somebody has become awakened, we gather around him and we start spinning and weaving a system around him which is all of our own making. It has nothing to do with the person at all. The stories that are told about Buddha are untrue; so are the stories about Christ. The real person is lost. We create such mist, such dust around, that nobody can see the real person. That is the work of the theologians.
For two thousand years Christian theologians have been creating such dust that it is impossible to see Jesus. He is completely lost in their logic-chopping, in their theories, they have created Himalayas of words. Nobody is bothered about who this main really is, what his message is.
The message is very simple, it is not complicated. The message is not that you should worship Jesus or Buddha. The message is that you should become a Christ or a Buddha - less than that won't do. Don't become a Christian, become a Christ. If you have any respect for yourself become a Christ, don't become a Christian. Become a Buddha don't become a Buddhist. No 'ism' can contain Buddha, no church can contain Christ. But the human heart can contain Buddha. ONLY the human heart can contain him, because the human heart is as infinite as the existence itself. Don't worship him outside. If you have understood Buddha, RESPECT YOURSELF! Feel reverence for your own being; that will be reverence towards Buddha. If you have understood Christ, start looking inwards - you will find him there. He is not outside, not in the churches. He is in the innermost core of your being.
If religion really happens in the world there will not be religions but only a kind of religiousness, a suffused light, a quality, indefinable - just as love is or awareness is; a different quality of consciousness. And the time for it has come. And when the time for a certain idea comes, no force in the world can prevent it."
He does talk about christ i mean the book is called......