I gotta say, I think these are both beautiful stones. The OEC has lots of character and it would be beautiful in a vintage setting. The modern one is more flashy and would suit a different personality type.
I absolutely adore your take on the OEC. Not sure why people disagree. The light performance is so good! I personally love the large, well proportioned facets. It’s absolutely gorgeous.
A lot of the comments are saying that the new one looks like a brilliant cut but it definitely looks like bigger facets than a brilliant cut. I think my favorite is the modern old European cut because I like the big reflections of light.
If you want a old European cut that go bang and got lots brillianse and great optics, as old European have lots fire as they have higher crown what inturns give moor fire then brilliance so buy a old English brilliant cut what is a old European cut , but old English brilliant is only used and reserved for old European cut that what be equivalent to modern ideal cut , and old English brilliant cuts are lot rarer to , and have slighter smaller crown hight and slight bigger table and that what give better optics and wear cut by best diamond cutters in London in 1800 , and still get that old antique charm of old stone but are lot rarer and quite rare in over one carats and above
wow, huge difference! If a person likes OEC, what table/depth % range should he look for in order to avoid the 'watery' look? I know there isn't a total agreement on the best ratios. Would it be similar to a standard or even H&A ideal-ish diamond, or does the type of cut mean slightly different ratios?
It is a huge difference. What you are seeing here however is not due solely to table/depth percentages but most importantly the relationship between crown and pavilion angles COUPLED with table/depth. Depths though ranging in the mid to upper 60's with tables in the low 50's to 40% range is a good start.
I will give you $25 for the "spready" OEC. It would look great in a ring setting for my four year old daughter. So, all joking aside, I do love antique diamonds for their antique value, but optics is equally important to me. Is it a possibility that this is a very early transitional experimental cut? That would explain its major leakage.
That's a good question. Although rare these days, there are round brilliants that come with culets. If the available one's are not the exact specs you're looking for, we should be able to find one without a culet and cut a culet ourselves.
Old English brilliant cuts wear also cut for optical affect by diamond cutter were old European cuts were cut to keep maxim carat weight were the old English wear cut for optics and in turn moor of diamond would be cut away to get better cut for optics instead of cutting just keep the carat weight
Old European cuts are not 'spready' they should be deeper than a brilliant cut. Unfortunately yours is more like a brilliant you've had to contrast a very bad stone to make yours look good.
Sort you've tried to cut yours like a round brilliant cut and lost all the charm. You've had to use a very shallow cut stone to show yours in a 'good light'. However the charm has gone and you have a brilliant cut style stone. Shame.
i might be weird, love old cuts, new cuts are brighter of course, but i like the character and charm of old cut, new cut is more bling but looks more.... crass? lol ...btw why there arent any old cut fancy pink diamonds? maybe the mines were not good enough to dig out rare color ones?
That's a great question. I ran a search and found some old Cut fancy pink diamonds (such as GIA #2175429964 that you can pull up on GIA's website), but there were only a few of them and most of them were labeled "Fancy Orangy Pink". I believe the pickings are slim for two reasons. The first is that most of the diamonds on the market are new cut (compared to old cut). The second reason is that a fancy pink diamond is rare in itself (regardless of the cutting style). So when considering both of those combinations, it really limits the selection. If you were looking for something like that, our only option might be to find a pre-existing fancy pink "lab grown" diamond and re-cut using the older facet style (re-cutting one of these for example ruclips.net/video/y8lbohZmMZ8/видео.html ).
@@DiamondInfoMan lab one old cut pink sounds gorgeous, but wouldn't make sense financially. yes i agree back in the ancient days people were probably digging them by basic machinery and hands or just found it randomly lol.... i most likely will just get a contemporary designer one, premium is crazy but whatever hopefully the premium will also be sold to the next owner years down the road
Love the old one. It draws the eye in.
Agreed
I gotta say, I think these are both beautiful stones. The OEC has lots of character and it would be beautiful in a vintage setting. The modern one is more flashy and would suit a different personality type.
We appreciate your thoughtful insight!
I absolutely adore your take on the OEC. Not sure why people disagree. The light performance is so good! I personally love the large, well proportioned facets. It’s absolutely gorgeous.
Thanks. We appreciate that feedback!
A lot of the comments are saying that the new one looks like a brilliant cut but it definitely looks like bigger facets than a brilliant cut. I think my favorite is the modern old European cut because I like the big reflections of light.
We appreciate your feedback : )
If you want a old European cut that go bang and got lots brillianse and great optics, as old European have lots fire as they have higher crown what inturns give moor fire then brilliance so buy a old English brilliant cut what is a old European cut , but old English brilliant is only used and reserved for old European cut that what be equivalent to modern ideal cut , and old English brilliant cuts are lot rarer to , and have slighter smaller crown hight and slight bigger table and that what give better optics and wear cut by best diamond cutters in London in 1800 , and still get that old antique charm of old stone but are lot rarer and quite rare in over one carats and above
very helpful. I was considering getting an old european cut. You certainly helped me to have a more discerning eye.
As long as its not too shallow. His is like a round brilliant and has completely lost the old cut look.
wow, huge difference! If a person likes OEC, what table/depth % range should he look for in order to avoid the 'watery' look? I know there isn't a total agreement on the best ratios. Would it be similar to a standard or even H&A ideal-ish diamond, or does the type of cut mean slightly different ratios?
It is a huge difference. What you are seeing here however is not due solely to table/depth percentages but most importantly the relationship between crown and pavilion angles COUPLED with table/depth. Depths though ranging in the mid to upper 60's with tables in the low 50's to 40% range is a good start.
Old cuts are very much deep not shallow. His is more of a brilliant cut unfortunately. It's lost the style and sophistication of the old cut.
I will give you $25 for the "spready" OEC. It would look great in a ring setting for my four year old daughter. So, all joking aside, I do love antique diamonds for their antique value, but optics is equally important to me. Is it a possibility that this is a very early transitional experimental cut? That would explain its major leakage.
Probably someone trying to get rid of an inclusion or damage. This is the most shallow I've ever seen one.
I would rather have the dull one for it’s history.
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The OEC looks much more expensive than the other one
The old clear straight forward European cut vs his gay disco ball of a son that wont stop aggressively flashing you
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Just wow…
If I want a round brilliant cut with a culet, is a European cut the only option?
That's a good question. Although rare these days, there are round brilliants that come with culets. If the available one's are not the exact specs you're looking for, we should be able to find one without a culet and cut a culet ourselves.
Old English brilliant cuts wear also cut for optical affect by diamond cutter were old European cuts were cut to keep maxim carat weight were the old English wear cut for optics and in turn moor of diamond would be cut away to get better cut for optics instead of cutting just keep the carat weight
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Nope. I’ll take the OEC any day.
Old European cuts are not 'spready' they should be deeper than a brilliant cut. Unfortunately yours is more like a brilliant you've had to contrast a very bad stone to make yours look good.
Sort you've tried to cut yours like a round brilliant cut and lost all the charm. You've had to use a very shallow cut stone to show yours in a 'good light'. However the charm has gone and you have a brilliant cut style stone. Shame.
i might be weird, love old cuts, new cuts are brighter of course, but i like the character and charm of old cut, new cut is more bling but looks more.... crass? lol ...btw why there arent any old cut fancy pink diamonds? maybe the mines were not good enough to dig out rare color ones?
That's a great question. I ran a search and found some old Cut fancy pink diamonds (such as GIA #2175429964 that you can pull up on GIA's website), but there were only a few of them and most of them were labeled "Fancy Orangy Pink". I believe the pickings are slim for two reasons. The first is that most of the diamonds on the market are new cut (compared to old cut). The second reason is that a fancy pink diamond is rare in itself (regardless of the cutting style). So when considering both of those combinations, it really limits the selection. If you were looking for something like that, our only option might be to find a pre-existing fancy pink "lab grown" diamond and re-cut using the older facet style (re-cutting one of these for example ruclips.net/video/y8lbohZmMZ8/видео.html ).
@@DiamondInfoMan lab one old cut pink sounds gorgeous, but wouldn't make sense financially. yes i agree back in the ancient days people were probably digging them by basic machinery and hands or just found it randomly lol.... i most likely will just get a contemporary designer one, premium is crazy but whatever hopefully the premium will also be sold to the next owner years down the road
There are I saw one online last night.