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Really Nemo? $300 Per Pound?! | Nemo Hornet Elite OSMO
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2022
- The Nemo Hornet Elite OSMO Ultralight Backpacking Tent: bit.ly/3rmHW6k
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Taking a first look at this new tent for 2022 and sharing my opinion on the design and features and whether or not it's worth $600!
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I have this tent and used it recently on a 6 day hike along the coast of Australia. This tent handled heavy wind and rain loads (including hail, straight off the ocean) easily and I had no issues with condensation or any water ingress.
The Tiger Wall is the natural rival to this (which I also own) and both have their pro's and cons. For 95% of the hiking and backpacking I do - this tent will be my go to. If I want a bit more room or am planning to spend more time at camp, the Tiger Wall will be my selection. The TW has a few more features where as the Hornet is definitely on the minimalist side to save weight.
Love my Tarptent double rainbow double wall at 44oz. Survived 50mph winds and 10 inches of rain no problem. Also fits 2 wide pads if necessary. All at $380
And the Lithium Version cost 650usd . I would always add the 50 to get the DR dyneema instead of this Nemo Hornet Osmo . The regular Hornet at 350 is just a little bit heavier and Performs the same . But then again i would buy the regular Double Rainbow for the same price xD just the better Tent
For that kind of money, I'd rather go with a dyneema trekking pole tent.
Great video, Bryce! With your evaluation, I will pass on the NEMO Hornet Elite OSMO tent. My husband and I have 25" wide NEMO Tensor pads so that's a deal breaker right off the bat. I love my 2 NEMO tents and don't mind them weighing a bit more because we share the load carrying between the 2 of us. I don't want a tent to collapse out in the wilderness from snow, rain and/or wind. It isn't worth shaving off a pound or two to be miserable in the back country when it fails from being too flimsy.
Get the Double Rainbow Li. Fits 2 wide pads just fine. Great tent. Used it all summer this year and couldn't be happier (condensation is still an issue but manageable)
Tarptent Double Rainbow Li with the liner is about the same price, essentially double walled, will fit two people with a 50” floor, and is incredibly well designed. Oh, and it’s lighter and stronger.
Love the Double Rainbow!
yes, I was about so say the same. The liner makes this a wonderful "almost" double wall tent. Used it for a six week trip through Germany this year, and was more than happy!
Thanks for your good, fair reviews.
I just saw another review of this tent. The reviewer quickly put a 2 cm tear in the floor. Nemo reportedly told him to patch it with tape. It is 15d...just too fragile.
I will stick to trekking pole tents.
My Lanshan 2 is stronger, roomier and more affordable by a long shot for only a weight penalty of roughly 8 ounces.
I bought the winter inner, too, which the Nemo does not offer.
Plus, I can set the tent high or low for venting or storm-proofing. You can't do that with free-standing tents.
And if I break a pole, I can replace it with a stick. Or tie up to an overhanging tree branch.
The key is to guy-out the head and foot walls with the line propped up by a stick for each end to vastly increase head and foot clearance.
I cannot wait for a review of the coming Tarptent Dipole trekking pole tent. It looks amazing. At 58"-wide, 96"-long (I am 6'), and with screen mesh on all four walls, I think it will be my next, true 2p tent. My wife wants more room than the 48"-wide Lanshan 2 for our duo trips.
I am not wild about single-wall, but with all that mesh, I think the condensation will be manageable. Perhaps I can add a mesh roof panel for a Double Rainbow Li to catch drips in harsh storms.
Replies like yours is the reason I read 'em with as much interest as watching a video.
Warm Regards from Ren, Nevada
Lanshan 2 with winter inner for the win!
@@azclaimjumper Thank you
@DeusVult1527
Buyer beware.
The pursuit of ultralight has ventured into impractical territory. I mean, what good is poly-cro ground sheets if thorns and thistles pass right through it? Or packs that lack adequate support? Or rain jackets that rip to shreds every 200 miles? I don't get it.
I have the original Hornet 2P (pre spreader bar on the poles) and it's failed me in rain due to the high cut on the rainfly at the head. That and the fact that it is so very tight on the inside makes this a non-option for most of my trips. It can be down right claustrophobic on the inside. For that kind of money I'd tend to look at DCF single walls before dropping that amount on this tent. Great first look, I'm hoping you can get some time in it to give us your thoughts. Thanks.
Anyone that has spent as much money on tents as this guy... deserves to win one 😄
Now wait a minute I need to be in that action too LOL
Ha ha! It was a treat to win something for once. :)
Lol
@@thathikingguy lol get real dude !
Newbold !
Thanks for the review! A friend is considering this tent for our section hike of the PCT next year. We will add our own line locs to the 4 stake out points based on your comments 👍🏼
I feel companies are just using the "ultralight" adjective on their products these days to inflate the price of the products.
Thanks for your polite analysis. I sent back the Nemo Hornet 1P after a week long hike because I knew it would not stand up to heavy rain... the panel above/behind the head end is not tension-able and the rain fly came down awfully close to the tent when it was dry, so if it got wet what would be the scenario? I didn't like the plastic piece at the top either because it looked as if it would poke through the tent after many uses. The 1P was too small to get my pack in the tent, and the vestibule was minimal. That tent cost $360 in 2021. I have since done some research on others and was able to get an order in for a Durston 2P Solid for $330 that offers a lot more space....it weighs 6 more ozs but that's OK, because it will be much more weather worthy in the climate I hike....can't wait to get it next Spring!
I have the Nemo Dagger OSMO 2p tent and got it for 450 dollars at my local store. It is over 4 pounds in weight and isn't lightweight, however there is enough room for two people. In my opinion of using the dagger, it is a better tent than the hornet elite because you can split the parts of the tent with your other hiker. There is also more storage space inside and under the fly.
The real question is this, are you aiming for a solo hike and just want the extra room while being super light? Then yeah, I can see why people would pick the hornet elite after switching the stakes (I know I changed out my stakes on the dagger for lighter ones). With the nemo, you can remove the fly to save more weight. Not sure if on the hornet you can remove the mesh tent part and set up only the fly, don't have the tent to figure if it is possible. If so then yeah, it might be worth the big 600. I've seen people spend more on sleeping bags so why cheap out on the tent?
Looks just like the old one just a different color and 200 dollars more .
Really the only thing new is the OSMO fabric.
“Put it into my fleet of options”… when you have enough tents to classify as a fleet, you are winning. Nice review and lines up pretty well with my limited experience with this tent so far. However my answer was yes :)
Ha ha ha! I've even given away or sold a bunch of what I had on the shelf. :)
@@BackcountryExposure wait until the kids start getting older... my stack of gear went from "I have more than I would ever need" to "what happened to all my stuff?" so fast...
My Dyneema triplex tent cost NZ$1.50 per gram, and my bag $1 per gram. For you non-metric hold-out refuseniks, there are 28gms per ounce or 454gms per lb.
It not having a full length fly on the head end, I think you’d end up wet in a windy rain scenario. Also considering the durability compared to a dyneema tent, I’d go with the dyneema for an extra $50 or so. In a “perfect world”, fair weather weekend hike, for someone with money to blow just for ultralight; it’s probably a good tent. JMO
I've not heard people truly having issues with that, as it's been a design element on the tent from the beginning.
Hey I got the 1 person version and made a video on it. I only paid 480 usd equivalent in New Zealand. I think for what it is it great. The 1p is the way to go I think. Looking forward to seeing the osmo fabrics performance.
I believe I watched your video as well. Thanks!
I use a light fighter 1 person tent ,It’s small and on the heavier side but it’s solid and does great in the rain and snow .
My sentiments which is why I bought & overnight in my Hilleberg Enan & I paid $680 for it back in March 2020 directly from Hilleberg. I want my tent to reliably provide me with shelter during the storm, windy, rainy, or snowy.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
I have the previous elite model. Haven't had many opportunities to use it but great for me
Seems like a pretty good one person tent for mostly sheltered conditions. Would most likely work well on the AT and the PCT if you're careful about camp site selections. Looks like you'd get water on the inner if you open the door fully in rain, but a difficult to judge from the video. Don't bring it to Iceland though.
Iceland in summer is not so bad tho ;)
Iceland is great year around (I'm sure, only been there in the summer), but really high winds are common in the summer too.
@@frstesiste7670 im regularly in Iceland during the Summer ( july - August ) it can be very Windy as you know and is compareable to Germany ( where i live ) in Fall ( october - November ) with humid and Windy weather .
Still its Not that Hard to endure . If you come from or hiked in the Pacific Northwest or Britain / Scotland, or like you from Norway (?) / Sweden,
this is all no big Deal.
First 2 years i hiked in Iceland with a 100usd Naturehike Vik1 Tent with no probs .
Aslong as you dont come with just a Tshirt and 1 pullover you will be good in most Szenarios .
I Personally only had 1 Day in Hraftinusker/ Landmannalaugar with 30F , 0*Celsius and strong Winds but my 20F Quilt and Puffy got me toasty warm .
I think aslong as you dont pitch the Tent in very Exposed Areas and dont have the upmost Bad Luck with weather and/or not checking Weather Forecast , Iceland in Summer is a sweet Cake 95% of the Time :)
I've six tents (I think) and five of them would work fine on Iceland and/or high altitude, high winds in the rest of Scandinavia (with careful camp selection).
The last one though - a light weight tent that worked well on the AT would most likely collapse or at least loose the fly on a windy summer day on Iceland.
The tent in the video seemed extremely sensitive to pressure, even from the end. Wouldn't want to spend a night in that with high winds and changing wind directions.
I love the colors!
Anyone know if this tent is suitable for UK weather... Exposed to 8 hours rain at 50mph force?
Having a regular Nemo 2P, I can attest that it will handle significant wind and rain with no problems. I can’t speak to snow load. In this price range to get the same weight point, I am much happier with my TarpTent Stratospire Li.
Are the zippers COIL or Teeth? Hilleberg tents & Western Mountaineering Sleeping bags come with COIL zippers because they are less prone to snagging & are smoother when zipping up or down.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
At $600, I’d add NEMO’s lifetime warranty as a potential plus. I’m not familiar with the other company’s warranty or return policies.
Adding a single pound (and yes, I understand that's a big leap) I have a truly free-standing double wall tent with very nearly the same floorspace (though rectangular, so easier for 2 to use) and only cost me $85 with a very similar hydrostatic head. I could shave more weight by going to much lighter pegs, and if I really wanted to, I could get a dyneema tarp and use it as a rainfly that'd work every bit as well and still have ~$400 in my account and be at a very, very similar weight. I suppose it comes down to how creative you are and how much work you're willing to put in.
Or...
If you're open to a trekking pole tent, a Lunar Duo weighs less or a Haven tarp & mesh tent combo weighs about the same, packs smaller, and will be sturdier. IMO this is actually more comparable to a Lunar Solo in size. Those are all around a third of the price. For the same price as this, you could go to a Zplex Duo which would weigh a good deal less and have more room. Or if you're willing to go to those prices and want a free standing tent that can also be a trekking pole tent, the Tarptent Double Rainbow Li offers better floorspace, and is decidedly lighter with a lower pack size.
With all that said, I like a lot of the design elements for this tent, though it's clearly a 1 person tent.
I like the innovations we’re seeing in tent fabrics. Improvements to weather stability and pack are always welcome. I do wonder how much of that $600 actually additional cost of manufacturing tent vs a similar sil-nylon design, and how much is simply “look at this new fabric! It’s new! So it’s more expensive! Did we mention new?”
I would be interested in that information as well, but pretty sure Nemo isn't about to share production costs. I imagine there's some R&D cost with development of the fabric that has been passed on to the customer a little. Whether that's true or not, I would rather see a $500 price point.
I don't want line locks. I use Dutchware BLING!!!!!! I use Dutchware Ringworms.
My Hilleburg nalo was $800 it is rock solid in wind and I plan on getting Lanshan pro for fast and light. I can't see how this tent is worth $600, its priced at the same level or a duplex and has less livable space. If you are spending this much money it better be DCF or able to be used 4 season.
I guess the question I have, is any tent worth $600
Osmo? Has DJI been notified of this? LOL I mean it’s a nice tent but has some limitations for sure
Fits a lot of needs and uses, but doesn't tick all the boxes for me. I'll still be using it though ha ha
what stakes would you be replacing the originals with?
Mini Groundhog or the Big Agnes Dirt Dagger
Cant wait to see it out in the field and how it performs for you.
Yeah man, gotta give it a fair chance to see how it does!
This is a pretty cool tent. But super expensive and sold out most places. Is it a glorified hornet? I think if this fabric turns out to be fairly durable, breathable and it is def lightweight than you are getting what you paid for. Large enough for two but a palace for one! I do like the clip that hooks to the rainfly and widens the tent body. Cool feature on their high end models. ! I love nemo products but i always worry with some of their tent designs that have this scooped rainfly at the head end. I could see myself treating the body of the tent just at the head end with some sort of DWR coating spray for added rain protection in that area. I have heard and read stories about that section wetting out during heavy rain. Hopefully this won't be an issue with this tent. Great review man as always! Stay safe! Hike on!
Think I'd rather have the Msr freelite 2p, similar design and only about 6ozs heavier,I think, and $200 cheaper with a bit more room inside if I remember correctly
I can’t bring myself to buy the freelite, but I’d like to try one for a few nights.
@@BackcountryExposure it's not in my near future either but the Nemo would not be a 2p for me as I need a wide width pad. Anything less than 45" minimum is just a 1p with room to spread out, with the exception of emergency situations of course
Thumbnail face….too funny
That’s not a 2p tent no matter what they say . It’s a 1p tent plus pack inside or a dog , also for this price just add 50usd and u get a tarptent double rainbow lithium in Dyneema which is lighter ; fits 2 wide rectangular sleeping pads side by side etc is in every way better than this tent
I love the Double Rainbow Li. It's one of the best tents I've owned.
@@BackcountryExposure why did you got rid of it ?
@@rodrev_hiking6757 I still have it and use it regularly.
6:40 Yep, this wouldn’t last one season here in Scotland.
I don’t think of a two pound tent as UL but as light. I would never pay 600.00 for a none DCF tent. I purchased my BA Tiger Wall two on sale for 300.00 two years ago and I think it’s a great little single person tent. I don’t know why but all tent manufacturers call their tents two person tents which technically you could do but would not like it. I use a three person tent for two people. My dog and I fit nicely in my Duplex and I could fit two but never have, it’s just to tight. I like all my gear inside with me. I am sure that tent is nice but for 600.00 I would spend the extra money on a DCF tent. I guess you are paying more for their new material which as you said is better. Nice things are generally more money.
Do tent makers factor in the weight of the stakes in their overall packed weight, or do they just assume that the consumer is just going to get rid of them? I just got my hands on a tiger wall 2 and it surprised me to find that it included new ground hog style stakes that actually weighed a tad less than my ground hogs.
I honestly think it depends on the company. My understanding and from weighing the tent from Nemo, that the packed weight includes the stakes.
I like the new I Beam style stakes from Big Agnes. They have done well for me here in Utah in sand and rocky areas.
same thing here. the big agnes stakes are just as nice as the groundhog minis. since I left one behind on a canoe trip, I had to add an msr stake to the kit. the big agnes is just slightly longer than a mini. nice stake to come with a tent.
Just get a SixMoonDesign tent, same weight but half the price!
I hate how narrow the walls are
The hydrostatic head on this model is kind of lackluster. I believe the Dagger OSMO has a 2,000 hydrostatic head.
Still not great.
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex Is 2,000 HH higher than the norm?
1200mm is pretty standard for many lightweight tents on the market right now. I believe it's sufficient for most scenarios.
Now if it was $600 for 1LB and the whole tent set up weighed 1LB that would be a good deal. 😊
Touche!
$600 is DCF tent price point, I’d rather get a Zpacks Plex Solo for $599 instead.
In my view it's a tent to camp out in ultra dry invironments, because 1200mm HH for the ground sheet is just ridiculous, not waterproof. I didn't look further in the video yet, but the fly won't be much better. Nemo is a fail, if I had used it instead of my Jack Wolfsin Gossamer (more room, 160€, much better HH, stormproof, 1.8kg), I would be dead right now, literally.
I sure wish your tent reviews included testing in windy & or rainy weather. You don't even know if it is going to leak when it rains. A review like this on a nice day in your back yard ranks down with those ignominious "unboxing" videos of products.
Any tent that can be pushed down like you did with this tent is a very quick "turn off" deal breaker for MEeee. No one knows how this tent will deal with "condensation/ventilation".
QUESTION: are the zippers YKK, "coil" or "teeth" type of zipper? My Hilleberg Enan, like all Hilleberg tents feature YKK "Coil" zippers.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
Always love your comments. Unfortunately here in Utah I have to play the cards I am dealt with. Rain is rare, and as you know with a busy family life, my time is limited. I do my best to bring the most real life information I can. This was also just a first impressions video. Thanks!
@@BackcountryExposure What's rain! I & the all of Nevada is truly hoping for a nice long, WET winter with lots & lots of snow/rain. Yes, I always click the "Like" button after watching one of your videos.
Yes, I'll be looking forward to an "out in the boonies" review of this tent although I'd suggest spraying the tent with your garden hose in your back yard, for leaks B4 heading for the boonies.
Good review! The price to weight ratio are too much to be called a UL tent. At $600 i would look into a dcf tent before this one, as some dcf tent are on the 20oz range.
For the algorithm.
Did the algorithm bring you here? 😜
The MSR Featherlite 2 is a much better tent.
Very easy to pass on that one. Even for half the price i will throw a coin.
I mean look at zpacks...
hail nah
600$ that's a strong HELL NO!! 😆✊️🔥✌️💚
Tent looks big until you sat in it.
Would you pay $400? :)
Terrible clickbait title
Damn
What a RIP off...the industry way way out control...