@@mlr3188 Not quite what they were referring to, the Bösendorfer has a different hammer size, acting as a higher level of finger resistance after the key is pressed, against the gravity of the action. Same amount of ease, but faster hammer reload.
@@xavierdolin6814 Then you did not see the RUclips video where Valentina just captured the moment where she just remembered how to play the piece, because she could not do it anymore. This is the most difficult Chopin etude. Any professional pianist will take a deep breath before playing this if they even dare to play it live.
The type of piano shouldn't determine the level of a person. She plays spectacularly on any piano if you watch her different videos. From bosendorfer to Steinways to electric pianos and many.
God, I hate these comments. I know it's intended as a compliment; but memorization is by far the least impressive aspect of musical performance, and complimenting the fact that somebody (gasp!) MEMORIZED an entire 80 second long piece takes away from the actually incredible stuff, such as the ease with which she plays this (one of the most difficult) etude. It's so easy to get tense in this piece...
Amazing! I see what she's doing. That's really impressive how she can leave out the inner voice in the right hand, she's masking that perfectly and nobody is noticing! It took me a while to figure out why it sounded so thin. If you don't believe me, observe her right pointer throughout the entire piece. I would love to see another recording of her playing all the notes in this piece though...
+Hugh Jass Look up the score for Op.10 No.2 and tell me that there aren't any chords in the right hand that involve the the pointer finger. Then look at Lisitsa's pointer finger floating in the air, not playing those notes.
It is a miracle at all that one is able to play this beautiful piece of Chopin ! In the chromatic figure of the right hand using only fingers 3, 4 and 5...........as an amateur that seems to me impossible, but I've seen Valentina Lisitsa done this........wonderfull.....she must be one of the best professionals in the world in my eyes !
Valentina is one of those rare pianists that has the technique to play the way only those who master completely all the etudes to the limit of technique possible! this also explains why she plays the most difficult of liszt's Etudes and hardest works also. And usually I find her interpretations great also. You have sold me on listening to you again and again Valentina!
Let me explain the difficulty of this number. The chromatic scale is only played with the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fingers. If you know anything about piano, you would know that everyone’s weakest fingers are the 4th and the 5th (ring and pinkie)! It takes years to release all the tensions of those fingers. To play this etude at that speed, your 3rd, 4th, 5th fingers have to move seamlessly as if they were not part of your hand!
Hans Neddyanto This etude is made to ease the tension of the 4th and the 5th fingers. Your thumb and index finger on your right hand will be playing chords. If you slow down the etude, you will see what I’m talking about. Valentina is just an expert, she plays so fast you don’t even realize that the 3rd 4th and 5th fingers are playing the chromatic scale!
Also, because people compensate for the weakness by leaning their hand on the outer edge, which you can’t do because the chords with 1 and 2 keep your hand grounded in place.
L'hai detto Franco!! Si sente nell'aria un amore passionevole, un tocco invidiabile da tutti! Sembra una musa, una sirena del Piano! Davvero un suono cristallino, non si può non dire che sia la Donna Chopin di questo millenio!
l'hai detto Franco, si sente nell'aria che c'è un amore passionale, ed è quello che Chopin ha sempre voluto trasmettere nei suoi pezzi! Valentina è la Donna Chopin!! Great, going next impossible is nothing
Wow, with the speed he played that at, that must certainly be one of the hardest pieces I've seen. Even worse might be Cziffra's "La Fantasie Roumaine" and/or Hamelin's take on Op. 25 No. 11. Op 10. No. 2, and Op 25. No. 4 though
Valentina is one of my favorite pianists, but after studying this etude night and day, and wondering how she gets such a clear sound, I noticed that it's because she's omitting most of the inner voices played by the index finger. Slightly disappointed, but it still sounds beautiful, nonetheless.
I'm looking to develop hand strength in 3,4,5 of my right hand....When learning the song, would it be ok to play it without the right hand inner voices at first and then introduce them as I learn the piece better?
Of course! You should learn the chromatic scale with 3, 4, and 5 first to figure out your personal fingering, then add the inner voices slowly. Good luck!
At first hearing this etude almost sounds easy compared to the others. But one look at the right hand bars and the cruel reality sets in. Fast cromatic passages acompanied with chords on every semiquaver. And if thats not perplexing enough a chunky left hand to go with it :) - truly a piece of art, And I think maybe the hardest etude in the entire set.
Вышивальщица .. Она так улыбчива, светом богата, сочна, будто мякоть арбузов и дынь. Слова её - свежая, чистая мята, а очи - хмельная, глубокая синь. Гибка, как гимнастка и белая кошка, какая имеет интимнейший стан. А ясного лика живая обложка мила без рисунков, помад и румян. Мудра, рукодельна у вышивки хитрой, тепла, будто солнцем обласканный фрукт. Вкусны все шесть долек и их миллилитры, щедры изъявленья, подарки из рук. Честна и бесхитростна сельская фея. Палитра души - это тысячи тем. Звезда её в небе вовек не истлеет! И всё это мисс с позывными "П.М.". ...
this piece is also a very good exercise if you can not play it so fast - not difficult to read and it trains the movement consciousness of the third, fourth and fifth fingers of the right hand
To me this is the most difficult Chopin's Etude. I can play it legato with crotchet=115 and that's my limit. She played it with crotchet=150 so easily as it is a simple czerny. What a technique , what a sound!! This one especially makes me really jealous!
I would say that this study is dangerous but one must practice slowly and with light hand and flexible wrist. Playing slowly then faster after you have studied it in small increments. Never should one be foolish enough to play it over and over or to injure the hand in the process. I this number 4 of opus ten is harder in that it requires equality in the hands and fingers. One does not play the piano with fingers alone. Technique is an integrated of body, mind and motion.
One method of (slow) practice I used was to drop the hand with 0 force for each note, making sure I was only applying pressure when lifting the fingers/wrist.
This is a very difficult etude. The melody is played using digits 3,4 and 5 (that is middle, ring and little). Valentina is one of my bets on the future top pianists of our time. Other new talents in my list (among others): Rafal Blechacz, Ingolf Wunder and Denis Matsuev. Congratulations, Valentina.
Idk why tehre are soo much haters about pianists the like to play fast... If chopin made a video on youtube with him playing the music, someone would say ``its too fast, you ware listening with your eyes``
Alina Blub Blub Blub Milanda Blub Blub Blub etudes in piano tiles are fast tempo pieces. But they are still playable and easy for a normal player (not beginner)
As others have noted below, she is doing a haircut to this study leaving out as many inner notes as she plays (sometimes index finger, sometimes thumb and sometimes both !) . That is indeed cheating. I cannot play as fast because i play all the notes. If she is doing this in this study, now i suspect she is doing it in other studies too.
Hensel - Good observation - especially not playing with too much weight. For me the killer part of this etude has always been maintaining the endurance (as well as playing it evenly of course). But I can see where what you recommend might help with that. One of these days I'll have another go at it and try what you suggest.
so true. i am still really on the beginner's level, but it's easier for me to play Bach's Inventions when I am not looking at the music. Sometimes I forget certain parts, and that's when I refer to the music for reference. It's also nice to close your eyes when playing. I think it's cuz I'm such a kinetic learner looking at my hands or the music gets in the way.
@jaycethepianist I agree. I would say that between this and the "thirds" etude of op.25 we reach a very high level of technical and artistic difficulty.
@CoobieCube I suggest you check out this video: ruclips.net/video/dRxJ5qq5wS8/видео.html. As you're attempting Etudes I don't have to tell you how important fingering is, this video breaks down the benefits you can take from this etude in a stepped out practice plan.
It’s been a month since I wrote this comment, and I finally learned this piece. I didn’t 100 percent finish learning this piece, though. The tempo I’m at on this correct day is around 105 BPM
Believe me, you don't really need the sheet music to play pieces like this one. I also play the piano, and i can tell you that when you reach this level of complexity, the hours and hours of practice just to learn it makes you memorize the piece automatically, and it requires so much concentration that reading the music as you play becomes a distraction. She's not brilliant for playing it by heart, but for her flawless rendition of it!
A light action might help, but one needs to be prepared to play on heavier actions as well. I think Chopin played on and preferred the Pleyel and that had a lighter touch.
I would argue that this is a defining Etude in marking the difference between Chopin and Liszt. When you play a "tough" Liszt piece, many times it just "feels" right, things fall naturally in your fingers and hand. This is not at all what I personally experience whenever I start studying a new Chopin Etude: it feels quite awkward in the beginning (and sometimes down to the very end, after months and months of practice!) because it just challenges your hands to adopt weird positions. Like here.
@ZombiGombaa She plays the sixteenth notes using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fingers of her right hand, and uses her thumb and index finger to play the lower chords. It's insane.
I have to say, I have never seen such relaxed wrists on a skilled pianist
Abe Grimm they actually look pretty tense from the sides. she just likes to put her hands a bit higher which creates this illusion
and mine flies off..
you should see her la campanella, or chopin op.10 no.4
@@SeEyMoReBuTtS i don't think there any like choice in her technique, it's based on high wrist, it cannot be changed.
I love how Chopin decided to be a little cheeky by ending it in A major.
It's like the piano is laughing at all your pain
@@georgemissailidis3160 lol best comment
... yeah, many composers do that, it's called a Picardy third.
Plot twist: Chopin was actually baroque.
@@xmvziron I know. 👍👍
Learning this piece is like having a nail driven thru your right hand
+Douglas Smith Yeah... kind of like Feux Follets only a little easier.
Noah Johnson I have played this and so I know it is doable ..the latter is for special exceptional pianists
+Douglas Smith gooey , its just so hard! My hands are having a hard time on keeping up the speed :P
PianoMan 13 hahahaha. .I have learned etudes..no speed though
Douglas Smith hehehe I just can't add speed to it :P but yeah I will practice until I achieve it!!
Its so pleasing to see the keys bounce back.....ahhh Bösendorfer
Well the same on steinway
@@mlr3188 Not quite what they were referring to, the Bösendorfer has a different hammer size, acting as a higher level of finger resistance after the key is pressed, against the gravity of the action. Same amount of ease, but faster hammer reload.
This piece is so hard that even Valentina looks concentrated
She's just chilling, wtf are you saying
1A22 LI SIU MAN 李兆旻
pretty sure that doesn't classify as a whoooosh
@@xavierdolin6814 Then you did not see the RUclips video where Valentina just captured the moment where she just remembered how to play the piece, because she could not do it anymore. This is the most difficult Chopin etude. Any professional pianist will take a deep breath before playing this if they even dare to play it live.
Less than a minute and a half of music; years of study. Brava. --PJ
That's right, and not rewarding. I spend ages to play some pieces which go away in 1.5 min. Every 0.5 seconds can take minutes and be challenging.
Wow you two have no hope of surviving outside of you mothers basement. Unlike I. I am better than both of you.
@Paras Mento there are, you just need to listen to more music. Maybe broaden your horizons as well
@Paras Mento Chopin Ballades, the Hungarian Rhapsodies, and various Beethoven sonatas all have difficult technique, and are eternal.
The action on that piano must be so light
Honestly some of these types of pieces can't even be played properly without a good piano because of that reason.
Sad because I have an upright but I want to play this piece :( Uprights have terrible action
@@jamien.5528 not necessarily, always depends on the piano. Some uprights have spectacular action and the action on some grands is laughable.
The type of piano shouldn't determine the level of a person. She plays spectacularly on any piano if you watch her different videos. From bosendorfer to Steinways to electric pianos and many.
@@jamien.5528 there is absolutely no problem with playing this piece on an upright piano.
God, I hate these comments. I know it's intended as a compliment; but memorization is by far the least impressive aspect of musical performance, and complimenting the fact that somebody (gasp!) MEMORIZED an entire 80 second long piece takes away from the actually incredible stuff, such as the ease with which she plays this (one of the most difficult) etude. It's so easy to get tense in this piece...
You must flow like water. All about transfer of energy
Looks like someone played the waterfall etude by memory
Благодарность её педагогам и родителям, что мы можем наслаждаться этим талантищем 🙇😼😽
Holy cow! She's amazing! She makes it look like totally effortless. She just sort of waves her hands over the keys and beautiful music comes out.
Amazing! I see what she's doing. That's really impressive how she can leave out the inner voice in the right hand, she's masking that perfectly and nobody is noticing! It took me a while to figure out why it sounded so thin. If you don't believe me, observe her right pointer throughout the entire piece. I would love to see another recording of her playing all the notes in this piece though...
+Hugh Jass There are chords in the right hand also
+Hugh Jass Look up the score for Op.10 No.2 and tell me that there aren't any chords in the right hand that involve the the pointer finger. Then look at Lisitsa's pointer finger floating in the air, not playing those notes.
I know, shes leaving stuff out. I agree
Piano Theorist That is right, especially in the last chromatic scales it is quite obvious...
Purple Shine well speed over accuracy. Or accuracy over speed in this case. Or you could get a lighter piano with a shallow key dip
Lisitsa and Pollini are my favorite Chopin Etuders... This one is considered by some the hardest Etude; she plays it so lightly... Fantastic!!!
It is a miracle at all that one is able to play this beautiful piece of Chopin ! In the chromatic figure of the right hand using only fingers 3, 4 and 5...........as an amateur that seems to me impossible, but I've seen Valentina Lisitsa done this........wonderfull.....she must be one of the best professionals in the world in my eyes !
Valentina is one of those rare pianists that has the technique to play the way only those who master completely all the etudes to the limit of technique possible! this also explains why she plays the most difficult of liszt's Etudes and hardest works also. And usually I find her interpretations great also. You have sold me on listening to you again and again Valentina!
I can't believe Valentina made such a difficult piece look so easy. Class!
Gawd ! This is one of the most difficult of all the etudes. Such control !
Bravo Valentina !
Let me explain the difficulty of this number. The chromatic scale is only played with the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fingers. If you know anything about piano, you would know that everyone’s weakest fingers are the 4th and the 5th (ring and pinkie)! It takes years to release all the tensions of those fingers. To play this etude at that speed, your 3rd, 4th, 5th fingers have to move seamlessly as if they were not part of your hand!
But why should it be played with finger 3 4 and 5? Don't we usually play chromatic scales with finger 123?
Hans Neddyanto This etude is made to ease the tension of the 4th and the 5th fingers. Your thumb and index finger on your right hand will be playing chords. If you slow down the etude, you will see what I’m talking about. Valentina is just an expert, she plays so fast you don’t even realize that the 3rd 4th and 5th fingers are playing the chromatic scale!
Lol, let me amend that, for the vast majority of people the 4th finger is the weakest
@@nanopopquiz7460 1 and 2 play chords, so you can't use them
Also, because people compensate for the weakness by leaning their hand on the outer edge, which you can’t do because the chords with 1 and 2 keep your hand grounded in place.
L'hai detto Franco!!
Si sente nell'aria un amore passionevole, un tocco invidiabile da tutti!
Sembra una musa, una sirena del Piano!
Davvero un suono cristallino, non si può non dire che sia la Donna Chopin di questo millenio!
You'll never complain about the flight of the bumble bee being hard to play after trying to learn this. Fantastic rendition as well!
La signora Valentina è unica e speciale. Excuse my native language but it came from my deepest.
Valentina e' una favola vivente..........
un talento splendido......con un tocco
magico
And I still struggle to play when the saints go marching in both hands.
You're doing it wrong.
lol
I can play the left hand - no problem.
What about interchanging the hands :) :) :)
What about this?!
ruclips.net/video/thX5d4cmHAw/видео.html
@@xuly3129 okay good thats not a rick roll
She's absolutely amazing and inspiring.
she makes it look so easyyy 😵
l'hai detto Franco, si sente nell'aria che c'è un amore passionale, ed è quello che Chopin ha sempre voluto trasmettere nei suoi pezzi!
Valentina è la Donna Chopin!! Great, going next impossible is nothing
Wow, with the speed he played that at, that must certainly be one of the hardest pieces I've seen.
Even worse might be Cziffra's "La Fantasie Roumaine" and/or Hamelin's take on Op. 25 No. 11. Op 10. No. 2, and Op 25. No. 4 though
Bösendorfer , Belle Valentina,....und die Götter sind da .🥰😍🤩
Te amo Valentina ❤ Brasil
Kkkkkk estou em toda parte
This piece is so hard that Valentina has to open her eyes.
Valentina is one of my favorite pianists, but after studying this etude night and day, and wondering how she gets such a clear sound, I noticed that it's because she's omitting most of the inner voices played by the index finger. Slightly disappointed, but it still sounds beautiful, nonetheless.
I'm looking to develop hand strength in 3,4,5 of my right hand....When learning the song, would it be ok to play it without the right hand inner voices at first and then introduce them as I learn the piece better?
Of course! You should learn the chromatic scale with 3, 4, and 5 first to figure out your personal fingering, then add the inner voices slowly. Good luck!
Ok thanks
I noticed too
Yeah, she cheated big time in this, unfortunately.
Absolute worldclass !!! Bravo Valentino !!!!!
At first hearing this etude almost sounds easy compared to the others. But one look at the right hand bars and the cruel reality sets in. Fast cromatic passages acompanied with chords on every semiquaver. And if thats not perplexing enough a chunky left hand to go with it :) - truly a piece of art, And I think maybe the hardest etude in the entire set.
Вышивальщица
..
Она так улыбчива, светом богата,
сочна, будто мякоть арбузов и дынь.
Слова её - свежая, чистая мята,
а очи - хмельная, глубокая синь.
Гибка, как гимнастка и белая кошка,
какая имеет интимнейший стан.
А ясного лика живая обложка
мила без рисунков, помад и румян.
Мудра, рукодельна у вышивки хитрой,
тепла, будто солнцем обласканный фрукт.
Вкусны все шесть долек и их миллилитры,
щедры изъявленья, подарки из рук.
Честна и бесхитростна сельская фея.
Палитра души - это тысячи тем.
Звезда её в небе вовек не истлеет!
И всё это мисс с позывными "П.М.".
...
I feel that I have difficult breathing for 1:21. What a delightful playing!
Thanks for sharing this ***** it is just a sheer pleasure to listen to. Valentina Lisitsa is a superb musician.
God! One of my favourite etudes of Chopin
your hands look so delicate....I'm absorbed
Grazie Valentina ⚘🍀
この曲の終わり方がとても好きです
I have learned to play this. Working on velocity though, and memorizing it is more difficult than I thought
this piece is also a very good exercise if you can not play it so fast - not difficult to read and it trains the movement consciousness of the third, fourth and fifth fingers of the right hand
Chopian was a wonderful musician ... This is just a great pianist but only that, tha magic born in the composition!
To me this is the most difficult Chopin's Etude. I can play it legato with crotchet=115 and that's my limit. She played it with crotchet=150 so easily as it is a simple czerny. What a technique , what a sound!! This one especially makes me really jealous!
Bravo, Valentina!
I would say that this study is dangerous but one must practice slowly and with light hand and flexible wrist. Playing slowly then faster after you have studied it in small increments. Never should one be foolish enough to play it over and over or to injure the hand in the process. I this
number 4 of opus ten is harder in that it requires equality in the hands and fingers. One does not play the piano with fingers alone. Technique is an integrated of body, mind and motion.
One method of (slow) practice I used was to drop the hand with 0 force for each note, making sure I was only applying pressure when lifting the fingers/wrist.
Peter Tarsio what do you mean this is dangerous
@@milandaalina8349 Carpel Túnel on steroids dangerous. It's like developing Shaolin Iron Claw.
Thoroughly enjoyable!
I used to dislike this piece. I like it now. Thank you!
Simply beautiful!
Explendid such a lightness almos from heaven.
\m/ she rocks,amazing music;amazing piano player
incredible; one of the harder etudes and played very well.
everyone ever played this piece knows how your 3,4 and 5th finger of your right hand hurt after a while... this is purely amazing :)
This is a very difficult etude. The melody is played using digits 3,4 and 5 (that is middle, ring and little).
Valentina is one of my bets on the future top pianists of our time.
Other new talents in my list (among others): Rafal Blechacz, Ingolf Wunder and Denis Matsuev.
Congratulations, Valentina.
it's never about applying force but some of the work is a blend of arm, hand and wrist with the arm distributing the weight.
What a gorgeous sonority he produces in those chords.
She's like a magician - superb effects, apparently with no effort.
Wtf did I just watch? Humans can do this kind of coordination. Impressive
that was pretty awesome.
omg her hairrr!
That pinky ring finger action hurts me on a spiritual level and I’m not even playing the song
Idk why tehre are soo much haters about pianists the like to play fast... If chopin made a video on youtube with him playing the music, someone would say ``its too fast, you ware listening with your eyes``
Najlepsze bo Polskie 😉
I can play this piece...on Piano Tiles 😂😂
hahahah
Same 😂
Uiriamu Busujima you are a genius of piano tiles then
Uiriamu Busujima I can
Alina Blub Blub Blub Milanda Blub Blub Blub etudes in piano tiles are fast tempo pieces. But they are still playable and easy for a normal player (not beginner)
This is a certified hood classic
As others have noted below, she is doing a haircut to this study leaving out as many inner notes as she plays (sometimes index finger, sometimes thumb and sometimes both !) . That is indeed cheating. I cannot play as fast because i play all the notes. If she is doing this in this study, now i suspect she is doing it in other studies too.
I love the left hand for this.
Chopin Etudes was the most difficult Etudes. Technique and emotion!
and that was just made to look amazingly easy.
amazing technique
Hensel -
Good observation - especially not playing with too much weight. For me the killer part of this etude has always been maintaining the endurance (as well as playing it evenly of course). But I can see where what you recommend might help with that. One of these days I'll have another go at it and try what you suggest.
Yikes! Now I know why Chopin put in Op. 10 No. 3 after this nasty little Etude - a relaxation for the hand!!
I agree!
so true. i am still really on the beginner's level, but it's easier for me to play Bach's Inventions when I am not looking at the music. Sometimes I forget certain parts, and that's when I refer to the music for reference. It's also nice to close your eyes when playing. I think it's cuz I'm such a kinetic learner looking at my hands or the music gets in the way.
браво!
@jaycethepianist I agree. I would say that between this and the "thirds" etude of op.25 we reach a very high level of technical and artistic difficulty.
Yep! Flight of the bumble bee is also a chromatic piece!
As my cousin would say, wow, just wow.
so beautiful!
Good Polish music.
Zjezdzaj na mont ewerest
It's funny to hear people describe this woman as a "national treasure" or object of immense value. She is a human too!
beautiful
She makes it look so easy.
@carlhopkinson "rubato" is very important in romantic music.
Flight of the Bumblebee - Rimsky Korsakov
I’m learning this etude and the fingering is just confusing me
@CoobieCube I suggest you check out this video: ruclips.net/video/dRxJ5qq5wS8/видео.html. As you're attempting Etudes I don't have to tell you how important fingering is, this video breaks down the benefits you can take from this etude in a stepped out practice plan.
It’s been a month since I wrote this comment, and I finally learned this piece. I didn’t 100 percent finish learning this piece, though. The tempo I’m at on this correct day is around 105 BPM
splendore!
i like this piece
Just effortless, the strength in her fingers must be incredible. Wouldn't want to verse her in a thumb-war
Good tempo....
Believe me, you don't really need the sheet music to play pieces like this one. I also play the piano, and i can tell you that when you reach this level of complexity, the hours and hours of practice just to learn it makes you memorize the piece automatically, and it requires so much concentration that reading the music as you play becomes a distraction. She's not brilliant for playing it by heart, but for her flawless rendition of it!
A light action might help, but one needs to be prepared to play on heavier actions as well. I think Chopin played on and preferred the Pleyel and that had a lighter touch.
Amazing!!! You have a lot of talent!:)
@TheME274 its chromatic but the chromatic scalesare played on the three finger to the right and sometimes the last two fingers
this etude kicks my ass all over the place! how is she doing that damnit?! amazing
Wonderful.
I would argue that this is a defining Etude in marking the difference between Chopin and Liszt. When you play a "tough" Liszt piece, many times it just "feels" right, things fall naturally in your fingers and hand. This is not at all what I personally experience whenever I start studying a new Chopin Etude: it feels quite awkward in the beginning (and sometimes down to the very end, after months and months of practice!) because it just challenges your hands to adopt weird positions. Like here.
is it me or she sometimes doesn't play all the notes, above all with the forefinger ???
Прекрасный результат))))))
@ZombiGombaa She plays the sixteenth notes using the 3rd, 4th, and 5th fingers of her right hand, and uses her thumb and index finger to play the lower chords. It's insane.
Very good!!
Love her
The hell piece. Could'nt agree more