Guys, thanks for watching even with the subtitles debacle. I am trying to fix it as we speak! I will let you know in my community tab when completely fixed. Please make sure to subscribe so you know when that happens.
@frankiebiggz you can think about whatching the video againg with the subs. if you do and post, i will watch both to support you, but if you dont have time, it's ok. 2ep, im sure everything will be all right. It's not the first time a reactor has had this essue :]
@@frankiebiggz LOL! I’ve watched this show so many times already, I think I have the subtitles memorized. Let’s me fool myself that I understand Korean. 😂
Frankie, it’s important for you to know that many times during this series, the creator is showing the juxtaposition of how the typical K-Pop groups (other companies) operate versus how BTS (Big Hit) operates. Since you are truly baby ARMY, without knowing this, you might be confused about certain situations portrayed. I hope this helps as you go forward. This series is absolutely incredible. Can’t wait to watch it again with you! Borahae💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Reason behind Taehyung V being the hidden member “V had great charms in terms of appearance &personality and talents ,so I thought it would be impactful when he was revealed last. It was an effective strategy in forming the team’s overall image,&leaving an impression of each member” -Bang PD
While BTS do have rules they need to follow, this series really does highlight the difference between the other companies and BigHit at the time. While they did have freedom it is important to note that they used that "freedom" to hone their craft and became even more determined to make it to the top and be the best in every aspect of song, rap and performance. Mad respect to PDBang, the boys and their production team (many of whom are still with the boys today.) They worked Hard! Most important i think is their authenticity and dedication to exploring their art.
Yes.....they were given freedom, but they were smart and focused enough to realize that they would have to work equally hard to be competitive and reach the top.
When it comes to unaliving and idols, it's not so much to do with the training system - they are already past that as working idols and there are many factors, including a high rate of SI in SK already (you'll see this in ch3), but more than the idol system itself, the media and expectation of high moral standards placed on celebrities in Korean culture probably were more important factors. It's not only idols, there was also a case this year of the Parasite actor (who's in his 40s) that ended his life bc of a media circus and police. This is why we have been very protective and proactive recently when the media circus took advantage of a member.
I just want to say, BTS were treated well compared to trainees at other companies. Bang PD treated them like artists from the beginning, giving them freedom to direct their careers. They worked hard because they were hungry for music and success. Not because they were forced. That’s not to say their training period was easy. Big Hit was on the edge of bankruptcy. BTS practiced in a cramped basement that flooded every time it rained. They ate very simply. They all had to share a bedroom. They were constantly struggling to keep things going until some revenue came in. So it wasn’t easy, but they were cared for.
Hey Frankie - Be aware that this series uses a subtle storytelling device in the first few episodes that reactors often are confused by. They talk about how the KPop industry usually does things, while showing BTS doing **the opposite.** Like talking about weigh-ins and restrictions on food while showing BTS eating all they want at a restaurant every day, sometimes multiple times a day, because it was upstairs from their leaky basement dance studio. BTS going out when the show talks about trainees not being able to go out. Others talking about not being allowed to go home til they met a requirement while BTS is shown working on writing and composing and producing their music all night long, out of pure passion and drive. BTS having their phones, filming and uploading freely and having free access to the internet while other are talking about being restricted, etc. BTS being able to talk openly about their management, to openly complain or offer critiques, they even released complaint songs like "A Typical Trainee's Christmas" and "A Typical Idol's Christmas" or to talk about what restrictions they think are unfair on Idols (in general) is all highly unusual. Notice most of the others commenting are "former" trainees and idols. Most companies do not allow idols to speak about internal matters or complain publicly. BTS also didn't have diets imposed at all. If they talk about dieting it was their own inclination/idea to want to look a certain way for a photo shoot. In fact, sometimes they overdid it, being just kids and not knowing how to manage their health and not having people overseeing that. Jimin in particular overdid fasting early on. BTS were largely self-directed, so though they did complain sometimes about long hours and pressures, they chose all of it. They pushed themselves harder than any management at Big Hit. Also remember that Big Hit didn't have a training system in place before BTS. They had never trained a group. They were not a big company and did not have the budget for a fancy training system. They were making it up as they went along and Mr Bang also knew that he wanted to do things differently, to give the artists more freedom and more of a voice in everything, not just the music. Big Hit was like an extended family to the boys, Aunties and Uncles who genuinely loved them. There is a reason so many of the same Big Hit staff have been with them from the beginning or stayed with them many years. The Big Hit trainees were also encouraged, by Mr. Bang and by Namjoon, to have a "we're all in this together" attitude rather than be competitive with one another. Even today, those trainees who were training with the guys and didn't make the cut or chose to leave speak of it fondly, not as a hellscape but as the best time of their lives. They were working very hard though, likely harder than a lot of other groups at other labels, but it was work THEY CHOSE. The seven who made it into the group are all passionate and driven people. Re: Mental Health. The subject of mental health itself is very taboo in S Korea. It's often seen as a moral failure to admit to at all. Mental health care is rare and mental health awareness abysmal. This makes BTS' candidness about their struggles and about mental health in general, in their communications and in their music right from the beginning when they were teenagers, even to their debut song and their pre-debut vlogs, all the more courageous and remarkable. This just was not done by idols at all, who had always presented a groomed, polished, perfect persona. BTS was **DIFFERENT** They are still different. This is still a taboo and seldom approached topic and usually with nothing like BTS' frankness and openness. Their many differences are why the industry cannot copy their success despite numerous attempts. Idols who have ended their lives were often struggling with unrecognized depression and feeling crushed under the public expectations of perfection for idols more than the work. One was being sex trafficked to high profile, powerful people in S Korean society (but there is evidence that was not even a s**cide but rather a hit, to silence her because she was speaking out.) Another was an older man, an actor, star of the movie Parasite, who was being blackmailed and falsely accused of doing drugs and being relentlessly hounded in the media. He was posthumously exonerated. The S Korean public eats their own. In a hierarchical society not far from its feudal, authoritarian roots it's a crabs in a bucket mentality where when someone shines so brightly and is climbing up out of the bucket, everyone is keen to seek any fault or excuse to pull them back down. You will find that people don't have much to say in the media even about reasons behind these self-inflicted deaths because it's a taboo topic in S Korea and considered disrespectful to the idols and their families to imply they had mental health problems. Often, very little of the details are shared publicly. S Korea also has the highest s**cide rate in the world in the 10-19 age range, which is what BTS were speaking to in No More Dream and N.O. The pressures on school kids are INSANE. Societal pressure to succeed in general is very high, but not to succeed too much! If you succeed too much, the mob is waiting to attack. The pressure of the industry are also why Suga wrote Snooze - to offer a hand to struggling younger artists to reach out and grab hold when they feel like they are drowning. And indeed, because of his messages in his solo work, he has been approached multiple times by idols having a hard time. He made himself a safe person to talk to, which is a rarity in that industry. One well known instance was with singer Suran. She was suffering writer's block and depression. He told her to come round to his studio and they talked long and he played a lot of his tracks for her (he is a prolific writer and producer and has a vault full) and she chose one which they worked on together. That ended up being a huge hit (thanks in part to ARMY) and also won him a big producing award. That song was Wine/If I Get Drunk Tonight. He also collabed with IU on her song Eight, which he also produced, which is a song about the multiple friends she lost to self-harm in a short period of time. S**cide seems to be the go-to option in S Korean when people feel crushed and overwhelmed or shamed, even if they are the victims of SA for instance. Victims of SA in S Korea are often considered more sullied and shamed than perpetrators. Mr Bang has a master's degree in psychology. He really is a different kind of guy. I fully credit him with encouraging the guys to speak openly about their feelings, to prioritize their mental health and wellbeing, to work together to openly solve conflicts in the group and giving them the freedom to speak openly in their music about topics no one else outside indie artists would touch in S Korea. I also think Namjoon/RM, Yoongi/Suga and Hoseok/j-hope, the leadership triad of the rap line, are particularly emotionally aware and emotionally intelligent people who dare to be open in that regard by nature, even against their societal norms and pressures. Even Jin too, was more open and affectionate and not afraid to discuss these hard, emotional issues than is typical. It was a perfect fit with Bang and they, in turn, nurtured their younger brothers, Jimin, Taehyung/V and JK to stay open as well. PS - Don't worry too much about the subs. We all know this series by heart anyway. LOL
I would also add: even in cases where an idol is open about their struggle and have actively sought help for mental health issues, some have succumbed to their depression because a lot of proven safe and effective psychiatric drugs are illegal in Korea. One idol in particular was very open about his struggles and tried to advocate for people to seek help, but he too, succumbed because talk therapy is only so effective when there is more going on neuro chemically. Korea has draconian drug laws in general (to give you an idea, poppy seed muffins are illegal there because poppies can be used to make opium), so the fact that they are preventing their citizens from accessing life saving medication is heartbreaking. One idol got into a huge scandal that almost ruined her career because she was caught coming back from the states (where she lived as a child and the diagnosis first was made) with her doctor prescribed medication for ADHD and PTSD. Because those meds are illegal in Korea. Mental health is a huge issue in Korea, both culturally and legally.
@AnnieDHarpie , and I never forgave her agency for just throwing her under the bus in that situation. But did you see that 2NE1 is reuniting, even if it still under YG? I hope they get something good out of their comeback.
@@jacque1in I’ve seen! I’m so excited for them, they were one of the groups that originally got me into kpop before BTS, so I’m really looking forward to what they put out
@@jacque1in I will always be angry on her behalf too. The way “fans” labeled her as a criminal and an addict for legally prescribed, life improving medication always blows my mind
RM's complaint about having to dance is not about dancing being looked down upon in hip-hop. In the beginning, BTS was originally a hip-hop group and consisted of rappers. They didn't have to dance more than an average hip-hop group. But along the way, the concept was changed and BTS became an IDOL hip-hop group, and you've seen the high level of dancing and choreography these K-pop groups have to have. The rapper trainees dropped out and only RM, Suga, and J-hope remained. Imagine how hard RM and Suga had to work, to raise their dancing skills to idols' standard. Suga often joked that he was swindled into BTS. He was told that he didn't have to dance, but then BTS had some of the hardest choreography in the industry.
Someone who is more familiar with kpop than I am would probably be able to speak more specifically on this, but to your question, I think when idols have unalived themselves, it's not so much because it's hard on the practice and training side (i.e. being 'militaristic' or very structured generally), but because of the societal expectation put on idols to be perfect. (She touches on this in later episodes too, so you'll see this come up more.) That said, Korea also has a s*icide problem generally, which she also touches on in Chapter 3. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that BTS and ARMY had made steps forward in modeling a new kind of idol culture. BTS were one of the first idols to be less "perfect", going live without makeup on, being themselves in lives and behind the scenes clips where they aren't "cool" but rather come across as a bunch of crackheads, etc. You can see this in a lot of their lyrics as well, for example they were one of the first (if not THE first) popular idol group to talk about mental health, and ways they've struggled mentally. For Westerners, this is what makes them more "attractive" as they seem like real people. In traditional idol culture however, being a "real" person is frowned upon. Luckily ARMY is a fandom that followed BTS outside of the idol norm and supported them regardless.
Love your nod and smile as the restaurant auntie, talks so glowingly about the boys, how nice they are, how different from others, and how she knows they will succeed. So fun to see it affirmed, so many years ago, what we have come to know💜
4:17 Here's something else to wrap your mind around. The revenue that BTS makes is more than the revenue of the subsequent top 10 kpop groups...and when BTS started their enlistment and group activities there was a noticeable decline in the kpop industry so often when these numbers are combined it doesn't allow for the fact that those numbers are really BTS' numbers.
With the mental health aspects, one of the things that set BigHit apart even in the earlier years was that when the guys struggled, the company ( at the direction of Bang Si Hyuk) made sure they got mental health support. RM has discussed his deep, potentially life-threatening depression from his trainee days that I think still rears up from time to time. Suga has also talked about his depression and OCD in the early years and Jin went through a burnout in the second half of 2020 that sounded to me as a lay person as if he struggled with imposter syndrome. And some of the others have made remarks in passing that sounded to me like they had benefitted from professional insight. My understanding is that they may even have in-company mental health support to make it easy and private. Several of the BTS members were friends with some of the idols mentioned by others who died tragically. (And least two of those losses were part of a cluster among friends.) Whatever underlying issues were exacerbated by public and media harassment not much different from what was done to Yoongi this summer. I don't know how many other ARMY were concerned during Suga's harassment incident, but I was just grateful that before he enlisted, he seemed in a good headspace and although I am sure this has been hard, he's got the support he needs to survive it. His harassment is ongoing but I think the message that true ARMY still support him is getting through, and he's surrounded by friends who care about his well-being. Bang PD will always have my respect for addressing these issues from the very beginning.
Mind blowing to me: Besides all of the photo shoot, dance practices, music video, singing, fan meets, promotion, and song writing - all of them were attending High School or College. Wow!!! 😲😵😎💜
Sooooo excited to follow along with you. This will be my third time watching the series. It is very well done by a fan who is also a professional editor. She of course did it on her own time.
Taehyung V remained a hidden member of the team before the official debut. He made his first appearence on Twitter X on 02.06.2013 completing the team with his unique talents. And actually Jimin hinted about Taehyung in one of his tweets..
In a recent Forbes economic analysis BTS bring $4.9Billion US to the country each year.... As well as that - The economic onflow (hotels, food,, etc) from every BTS concert held in South Korea is worth $1 billion US.... eg. Stores in Seoul reported a 1200% rise in sales during BTS 10th Festa last year. ...
Yes, a single concert of BTS brought in nearly as much revenue as the Winter Olympics in S Korea did. This is the reason there was such hot debate on whether it was right for the S Korean government to force them into hiatus for mandatory military service when others, like Olympic athletes, other artists and rich people's kids, can get exemptions, especially if they are seen as adding to national prestige by their work and it would be detrimental to interrupt them in their prime. It seemed stupid for the S Korea government to sideline the biggest thing EVER to come out of S Korea. But BTS took that decision out of their hands by serving voluntarily, and rightly so. If they had accepted the exemptions being dangled over them, the S Korean government would have had a hold on them forever, and it would have given their haters and enemies lots of fodder to attack them for shirking their duty.
@@NanciBK I respect the members so much for making that decision. No one should question their patriotism and Korean pride. They never even considered whether to ask for exemption. They just viewed it as something every Korean male does. Nothing more nothing less. Their parents raised amazing boys. Shout out to those parents.
Not just Korea, either -- LA and Las Vegas were both absolutely floored by the economic benefits to their cities from the Permission to Dance shows in 2021/2022. LA reported more than $100M USD from their 4-show series and for Las Vegas the following spring, it was $162M USD. Local Korean-related businesses and restaurants were out the door in both cities. It was kind of funny because ARMY knew what to expect but locals had never experienced the 'borafication' of their hometowns before. 😆💜 But they were generally grateful for the economic benefit, especially since we were still in the pandemic at the time.
@@jacque1in Yes, Vegas learned from watching what happened in LA and they leaned in hard to embracing and welcoming BTS and ARMY. The city turned purple. The Bellagio Fountain was playing BTS. Pop-ups and themed meals and hotels decked out for ARMY were everywhere. They changed signs to read Welcome To Borahaegas! It was a whole city-wide ARMY party.
Yes all that! Im in Korea for work for two years and even while not technically active, Hybe has exhibitions for each member and movie releases. And then their birthdays. There were like a 100 coffee houses doing birthday sets for JK and RM's birthday. The set comes with a cup and photo cards, some have key chains, etc. I went to five different ones each time and they were all hoping. The coffee places were ready to get people through and they played the member's music. There were photo stands. And these giys were making money all day!! I met ARMYs from everywhere passing through because they know Hybe and Korean retailers will celebrate their birthdays. So, while at smaller scale, Korean economy is still well supported by BTS and ARMYs! It will be insane next year 😂
I feel you're going to really enjoy this series as it moves forward Frankie.... they really put the work in and deserve every success ... Army will forever be grateful to the OG KArmy for being there from pre-debut... It's due to them that the members continued to vlog and create a detailed visual account of their journey. It was difficult for them to debut, not as structured as the other agencies as far as the amount of classes/hours but they still had daily schedules/dance practices/workouts/vocal sessions etc... Aneesa (the creator of this series) did a wonderful job of piecing together content to form a fluid trajectory from their beginnings.....
Boracity talked about SK scandal culture in her recent essay. She is 💯 right. When someone makes the slightest misstep they are hounded relentlessly and some unfortunately break under pressure and commit su*cide. That's why ARMY pushed back so hard during Suga's incident and that's why we are still plastering our support billboards all over Seoul and keep charting Suga's songs on all the charts. For us it was extremely important to show that we have his back so he continues to stay strong. 💜💜💜
How can you not fall in love with these starry eyed young men ??? Never in their wildest dreams, could they have imagined that they would become worldwide superstars like they are today. I don’t know them personally (obviously) , but yet, I’m so proud of what they have accomplished ! I know you can appreciate that Frankie. 💜
Oh, Frankie! You had the 'Proud Papa' face going in this one 😁 I know that face because I am a 'Proud Mama' lol. From this point on, you will always be in "Protect my boys mode'. It's just a natural thing that happens. You're going to love this series & I can't wait to see the next one. 💜
America is the largest music industry in the world followed by Japan. The Kpop industry is as big as it is mostly because of Japan which is why most Kpop artists either speak Japanese or learn it during their career and will release Japanese albums since that is where most of their revenue comes from next to Korea. The American music industry and profits were always something they wanted a piece of but could barely crack due to language barriers, racism and it generally being a niche market that was hard to gain audiences from the general public - until BTS that is. Amazingly BTS has had a huge impact in the world globally not because their label tried to focus on it - it was because in the first 2 to 3 years of their career the fans took it upon themselves to translate their Bangtan Bombs, music videos, interviews and other content related to BTS. The company (Big Hit) themselves only started including captions around 2015-2016 since they saw how popular the videos with translations were. Some early channels that were the go to for all this were 1TheK and Bangtan Subs. Their music and videos are still available on these channels, so if you ever need subs on early content - go check these out.
It always surprises me when people are shocked that they do casting on the street and focus on years of training thinking that these things are exclusive to the Kpop industry. America was doing a lot of this back in the late 50's and up into the 70's. Once Hollywood and music labels grew big enough, they didn't have to go looking anymore because people were coming to them wanting to be stars. For the music industry - this is where we got groups like the Beach Boys, The Monkey's and so much more. Take Disney for instance. They still start with young kids and train them like crazy for singing, dancing, acting - the whole nine yards. The problem with the Kpop industry is they are still running on 1950's gender bias, misogyny, and desire to pump out new groups every year. Most groups don't last very long and you have to have new people waiting in the wings to step up when sales start going down. And most people who become Kpop stars use it as a stepping stone to go into acting, advertising, influencers and so on, so most of them aren't there to develope a career in music to begin with. The biggest part of the problem is when they get young people to join and they don't know what the contracts are really asking of them. Some people have very successful careers and make no money because the contracts have them paying for everything during their years of training and everything after that from make-up to wardrobe. These people come out of it with so much debt. This is probably why when Jin was approached by someone from SM he didn't follow up. To him - it would be a scam where they want to sign him not because they thought he would be any good - but because they could get him locked into a contract where all he did was owe them money. Big Hit didn't have a clause for paying for training which is probably why Jin chose them.
The thing to take away from this episode is the difference in treatment of K-pop idols and trainees in the industry in general compared to BTS, who from the beginning were deeply involved in THEIR music, CHOOSING to attend training without having to meet a quota of hours. Bang Shi Hyuk made the deliberate choice to address MUSIC LOVERS rather than selling 'untouchable gods.' Moreover, they weren't seen as mere products, as BigHit had FAITH IN THEM to evoke something meaningful. Many 'idol rules' fell away as a result; for example, they were able to live their lives without the agency dictating them. The only thing expected from them was to pour their INNER SELF into their work. BTS worked so hard, supporting and encouraging each other, what a lesson in life!
Oh I’m really happy that you enjoy it! This series is great, it gives so much insights and context and shows their relationship and where they come from.
Thank You for reacting to it!! Loved it! Watched it so many times that I can guess the subtitles for the most parts. If it’s possible please show English subtitles too! Can’t wait for the next episode! With every episodes it gets better and better
this is my favorite docu serie of BTS it explains everything in order from each comeback and they just keep getting better and better. and you get to know the boys and see how they captured army´s heart. for most kpop it´s very structured and very lacking of substance. you just have a good looking group who can dance and sing but they don´t feel the song they sing. that is the big diffrent from BTS who was themself from the start. and fans loved it. they are dorky and funny not like the others. and the music was actually amazing with deep lyrics. and army´s from 2013 who started supporing them then, is still part of army today, and they say it too. there is just something qnique about BTS
Mowtown did a bit of that going out onto the streets and then training their artist including how to do their makeup, how to speak, what to wear and gave them musical training.
I love Rise of Bangtan because it's very nice to watch how everything started. They were so little and so naive at that time... they never imagined how big they would be in the future
Unfortunately, it is true that some idols have decided to end their lives due to stress, depression, and cyberbullying. I can mention some of them, the most famous cases but not the only ones. Kim Jong-hyun: Member of Shinee. (2017) Sully: Member of f(X). (2019) Goo Hara: Member of KARA. (2019) Moonbin: Member of ASTRO. (2023)
This series will teach you more about their early days and how they came up, than any other content I think. I'm glad you could at least read the english subtitles. I look forward to you figuring out the english subs showing up because some ARMY may be watching the series for the first time with you and be lost without them. Thank you for letting the video run right to the end....many reactors stop it when the previews for the next episodes come up, but there is always content after the previews. Thank you for also watching the deleted scenes. Those deleted scenes and bonus content (which starts at ch. 3 I believe) is equally as important as the main chapters and often contains some of the funniest stuff. Thanks again for taking the time to get to know BTS and their journey from nothing.
I love this series. It shows how hard they worked, the struggles from the beginning, the bond and trust they developed with each other and the intimate relationship they developed with ARMY. It’s a great watch. 💜🫰🏻
Idols that have committed suicide that we tend to hear about, it has been because of pressure from the public (antis, k-netizens, attacks resulting from yellow press) rather than from how tough the training is. I thought after Jonghyun from Shinee that something might have been done to help, but no. Then Sulli from FX, but no. Then Goo Hara... K-media and K-netizens just do not learn. If anything, they've gotten worse. (If you look into Sulli and Goo Hara, you'll see how much harsher the Korean public is on female idols and you will come across the Burning Sun scandal. Be prepared to be angry.)
I'm going to leave multiple comments because when I go on to long - they get deleted. For the captions. I'm glad to know that you had the captions on and it's difficult for those watching who do not have the context of what was being said. I went in and turned on the CC's and used the auto generate - although this method is not perfect by any means - it did still help. So for those of you who want captions try this.
@@frankiebiggz PS if you pin my comment about the captions at the top it might save you some headaches later from people all asking the same thing. You don't have to just a suggestion.
Wow, what a pleasant surprise! I don’t know why but I thought you’d release it on Sunday (no complain!). Thanks for this Happy Friday surprise 💜 I could not see subtitles but you‘ve seen them while watching, right? What I really like in this episode is that it highlights the different path chosen by BigHit compared to other companies. As the founder noticed he decided not to force our boys to go through the curriculum chosen by the company. Still boys were self-motivated to do the idol program so that they could compete with other idols groups. The same goes with beauty standards, they were not forced to the members (actually half of the members did not fit Korean beauty standards). Still members followed some of them that they felt are necessary, e.g. Jhope going on a diet to get better pictures. And that’s actually the right decision according to psychology studies, when you WANT to do something you’re more likely to get it better than when you are FORCED to do these things. Just easy yet impactful decision.
@Frankie Biggz, The K-pop idols that unalive themselves: 1. JONGHYUN from SHINee from a boy group 2. Sulli from f/x girl group 3. Goo Hara from Kara girl group 4. MoonBin from Astro a boys group These are the four that I’m familiar with I know there were several others but I’m not exactly sure it was very tragic and heartbreaking because one of the members that I listed here I follow their group and even went to one of the concerts! Mental health in South Korea is getting a little bit better for helping not just only K-pop idols but the general public people did not want to admit if they had a mental problem or stress it was looked down upon and it is still to this day not a public conversation that people in South Korea talked about.
@ Frankie Biggz, The K-pop idols have so much pressure on them to be at the top to be almost if not perfect and everything working around the clock as trainees adds pressure but what really adds the cherry on top here is that K netizens and other social media platforms that the K-pop idols will talk to the fans, on social media platforms that can be toxic people who claim to be the fans of the K-pop idols are not always fans that come in on the conversations and it becomes wary and taxing on these K-pop idols their emotional states get torn down and they’re not getting help to discuss or talk about things. One thing I can tell you about BTS’s label HYBE they do have mental health for their K-pop idols they’ll be able to talk to somebody they’ll be able to get the help that they need. And I don’t understand how BTS lasted 11 1/2 years with only two major breaks like vacations they always had cameras on them even during their staycations and game shows run BTS they were always under the spotlight! Just hope that the all K-pop idols are starting to get the mental health and they need so that there won’t be any more situation’s that cause them to end their lives!💜
You know how awful all the hate comments that you received were, so maybe you can imagine the kind of hate comments these idols receive. If their mental state was not strong to begin with, piling all this hate on top of that can sometimes lead to a breaking point. Since Jonghyun and Sulli, South Korea has passed stricter laws about internet trolling, but it still happens a lot. (Because where is the line between freedom of speech) Suga talks about this in his verse in the Rap Line’s song Ugh! as well as in his song Haegeum. Where he says, “Your freedom could be the reason for someone’s death. Can you still consider that freedom?” Suga also has a song with singer IU (who is like the Taylor Swift of South Korea) where they pay tribute to their fallen friends. The song is called Eight, if you are interested.
I'm happy that I'm watching the video with you and your reaction is real and your choice of video is amazing thank you and I hope you continue watching all the episodes and also more BTS songs and concerts
do have subtitles? the vlogs are in korean so for you to understand them you need to turn the cc on...and show them too so the viewer who doesn't speak korean can follow with the video
Okay, i love when a reactor started to watch the series. for me, it means you try to know the whole story, the whole movie. Know only their songs means you only know the OST. of the movie 😂💜
Thx for Los including the deleted scenes! For me, no worries about the subtitles since I have it nearly memorized and can pay more attention to what you say or even your expressions. You have already the proud papa look for them! I’m older than you or around the same age and I still have that look! 😂I too know how hard the hours are in a set or MV and rehearsals venue. Crazy. One thing I didn’t see is that many ARMY tell new viewers that they practice singing while running on treadmills to get the stamina and breathing. I may not comment in all since catching up will take some time while I too am busy. 😂💜💜💜👏👏👏
Haha 😂 thank you! These boys have got me working with all this content! Thank God they took a break for MS, it gives me some time to react to their earlier work!
Jin came from a rich family but chose to live with the members in a cramp apartment before their debut while being full-time college student speak well of his discipline. The fact they remain 7 for 13years with the same company make them the G.O.A.T at least in KPop.
I would love to see this series on Netflix too. The problem is no matter how much they pay the creator for it they would still need to get the rights to so much copywriten material - it would be a logistical nightmare. But this series is absolutely award winning.
This is a great series! Aneesa (the creator of The Rise of Bangtan) shared that she has been working on this series (her labor of love) for over 3 years! She is taking viewer on a journey step-by-step from BTS' perspective not looking back on their days but living through them (with them). She edits their content to allow BTS to speak their thoughts, through their experiences at the time because BTS has been documenting themselves since BEFORE their debut, so there is A LOT of material to edit down to tell their story! She also gives an overview of the KPop history for those who are not familiar with the industry. She uses clips from different video clips of other idols/ journalists interviews to try to give a broader perspective of the industry. Her skill as a professional video editor really shines through. Amazing work! I think many ARMY really like this series (besides it being extremely well made), she doesn't try to interpret what "she thinks" BTS is trying to say, she just shows the viewers exactly what they said and shared about what their thoughts were at the time. She is an "OG" KPop fan and BTS fan since pre-debut! She also shared that BTS has been the light in her darkness for many years now. *(Cr: "FY" on yt)* I think it's important to notice the differences between BTS' worries and the other trainees worries. BTS' were worried about their own personal skills (not dancing well enough, song worries, etc), about not getting attention when they debut due to their small company, not having money, etc. While the other trainees seem to be living in fear of being cut from the company at any moment if they make one mistake, worrying about weight quotas, etc. BTS stayed until late hours because they WANTED to, while the other trainees HAD to. Obviously BTS had things they had to do too, they could've not made it to debut as Jimin almost did due to short training, but instead of using that as a fear to hold over them Bighit seemed to use it to encourage them to work harder and improve themselves. BTS were allowed to make mistakes without worrying they'd be thrown out of the company. I'm very glad that they all signed with Bighit, and that Bighit has caused a shift in the Kpop industry, lots of newer companies are giving their groups more freedom and treating them better due to BTS' success. These companies see that idols don't need to be punished and forced to do things in order to succeed, BTS are proof that freedom and happiness should be the most important thing. *(Cr: "Shannon" on yt)* Now plz understand this 1st & 2nd episode shows two sides, one is typical k-pop system and how the labels/industry work, whereas subtle hints of BTS and bighit being contradictory different is shown, BTS is different from other K-pop groups and BigHit is different from other idol music companies. These first few episodes can be misleading because it makes you think BTS management follows these guidelines the other idol members from other companies are talking about, but BTS and BigHit don't do those things. Notice how when it is said idols don't have a lot of creative freedom, you see Namjoon and Yoongi writing lyrics, or when it says idols have phone bans or something, you see the BTS members on their phones, or how when idols say they aren't allowed to go outside the dorm, you see Yoongi walking around freely. It can be a confusing thing for new ARMY to make note of, but PLEASE notice these differences. It is vital to how BigHit runs differently, and therefore why BTS is so different from other idol groups from the very start. *(Cr: "Kayla Kulik" on yt)*
Just to give you a heads up, some of the chapters have clips from their documentaries starting with chapter 13 to the end of the series even tho it's not finished 💜
Heya Frankie! I’m starting your journey with The Rise of Bangtan. I may be behind, but Isee a lot of good ARMY giving proper expansion on the episodes as it approaches K-pop in general and BTS. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Remember to adjust for Korean Age. In this episode (begininng 2013) they were in international age - Jin - 20 , Suga - 19, JHope - 18, RM - 18, Jimin - 17, V - 17, JK - 15 .... 💜
I think it’s the opposite. They used Korean Age since 2013 and only shifted to international age just a year or two ago. So when they say their age in most of this series, you need to remove 1-2 years to get their international age. In Korean age, you are 1 year old when you are born and you add another year when you cross the New Year. V was born Dec. 30 so he was 1 yr old (Korean Age) but turned 2 a few days later on New Year’s Day. SK now uses international age.
@BoraMom This series is using Korean ages.. so you need to convert it into international age... Rule of thumb - if it's before their birthday - subtract 2 years to get international age. if it's after their birthday - subtract 1 year to get their international age. The Korean Government has recently (June28 2023) brought in international age as the standard in Korea, but all older videos/ interviews/ shows, including this one, will be referencing Korean age. The members were only 13-18 years old when they joined BTS and 15-20 yo when they debuted... the international age I gave in my comment was correct. In Korea when you are born you are considered 1 year old. Then on lunar newyear every year you add another year to your age, no matter what your birthdate is. .... Year of birth - International age at Debut on 13June13 Jin 1992 - 20 yo Suga 1993- 20 yo Suga started with MIDI at 11 JHope 1994 - 19 yo RM 1994 - 18 yo RM started rapping at 11 and was well known in the underground scene at 13 and signed with BigHit at 16. Jimin 1995 - 17 yo V 1995 - 17 yo JK 1997 - 15 yo he signed with big hit at 13 💜Have a great day
@@beccal.5369 Ok, guess I was initially confused thinking you meant the opposite. We are actually saying the same thing but in different ways, haha. I did mention that the boys were giving their Korean ages in the earlier episodes. I live in Asia and grew up with friends whose parents still counted age that way. 🤭 Have a great day too! 💜
@@BoraMomsorry I think I probably didn't explain it properly... hopefully with all the extra we both added he will know what we mean by the different ages. BORAHAE💜
Woah, can't believe you got strikes on this, as this series has been around for years & no other past reactors had been getting struck, even when each of them had gone thru all 21 episodes. Someone must have changed their minds in these recent days. 09/27/24
Hi. I'm really enjoying your journey. One suggestion: Please move the viewing screen up so that subtitles are not cut off (for future episodes). Thanks. 💜
I’m so excited to watch you react to this series. It’s fan made and very well done. Her name is Aneesa (or Anisa). I think she originally planned this to be like 22 or 23 episodes but she works as a video editor and I guess she’s too busy now to finish the series. I really hope she’s been working on it slowly and will eventually upload it.
Yes, its true that she had planed on doing 22/23 episodes. But, sorry to say, she took the entire series down, her original channel doesn't even exist anymore. What you can find now online are re-uploads from other ARMY who had saved the episodes. I doubt she will finish it. It's too bad because she did an amazing job. But we can always hope...
@@rosanaredecker6127 someone else on YT told me she got a job working for Disney and they asked her to take it down. Don’t know if it’s true, but if so it makes sense since she did such a great job and Disney wouldn’t want her series as their competition
@@ruthfischer7615 oh thank you for clarifying. I feel bad for her. She clearly worked really hard on it and I can see why she felt frustrated. There are several licensed documentaries which cover separate time periods but none that covered the first 6-7 years as comprehensively as hers
@@frankiebiggzplease read my comment and if you need me to clarify let me know but you can't transfer the captions manually it'll take too much time and you won't enjoy reactions needing all this extra work. my other comment explains more but let me know if you need more clarification 💜💜
It makes no sense, because hip hop dance was just as important as rap when it started. And it's upsetting that people think that. J-Hope's world was street dance before he ever rapped. So I know you have to edit the video because of copyright, but I just wanted to say that I like this way of editing. We can't hear the lyrics, but we can hear everything they say and everything they are singing and rapping. It really confirms how talented they are with just the vocals.
My friend. They say the story/history is determined by the narrator. BTS alone is bringing in Billion dollars. When BTS said they were going on a hiatus the leader of the Korean music industry(Ministry of culture) BEGGED them not to. They needed a rest, no vacation for 10 yrs. All kpop idols train one way. BTS did not😊 you see them wearing jackets inside. They were freezing.
Somehow all the English subs are actually in the Korean subs, I am sorry, this subtitles thing is being such a mess with this episode... I am trying to fix it as we speak 😭😭
Frankie, on your own time and for personal enjoyment and NOT a reaction, as a Silver Army, I suggest you watch the hilarious Run Jin series, as well as his short series Half Star Hotel on Lost Island!!! Both are mandatory post-military service, as he was discharged on June 12, 2024!!!!! I will say, the Run Jin episodes with his competitions with teenagers from his high school and younger middle school aged children, playing a video game competition and another with tennis experts, ARE HILARIOUS!!!!!! So if you need to feel better and just want to laugh, take in the Run Jin episodes!!!! Borahae 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Just a note incase you don’t understand Korean age. The ages that the members give in their early vlogs are not their actual ages. Until 2023 Koreans calculated age differently. Babies were considered to be 1 as soon as they were born. Also, the Korean government would change everyone’s age on their records on January 1st. So even if your birthday was in December (like Jin and V) if you were going to turn 18 in 2013, on January 1st you were considered to be 18 even though there were still 12 months until your actual birthday. So in some cases they are actually 2 years younger than the age they state in their vlogs, but they are always at least 1 year older than their stated age.
@@ruthfischer7615 I just still had them on from the last video I watched. I switched them off, so I didn't see all that. Auto-subs still don't work well. It's a bummer. Good that we all know that JK is 'cool' (cute), not stupid! Don't be too annoyed about an automated mistake. Computers don't have feelings and mean nothing, can do harm though.
Of course there is a dark side to the industry. But please do not laser focus on it. There is a stain of “othering” that colors a lot of videos critical of the K-pop industry. They report on it as if this is a problem unique to Asia. You already started thinking this way when you said it looks “militaristic.” It’s not. What this industry looks like is western sports industries. Baseball, soccer, tennis, basketball. All of these sports businesses search out and recruit extremely young talent. They remove the best from school and put them on the professional track. But we barely bat an eye about it. A football team going through warm-up drills looks pretty militaristic too. But we never say that, do we? So please keep an eye out for ethnic bias when criticizing the Asian music industry. Of course there are problems. There are problems with managers taking advantage of workers at the local supermarket, too. Power dynamics and abuse happen everywhere, not just in K-pop.
It makes you think about how their contracts are generated in the beginning and how corporate heavy they would be for a lot of people. I've heard that idols have to reimburse the company for their expenses out of their revenue generated, so the idols begin indebted to the Company from Day 1. What does the issue of Guardianship of Minors and legal capacity look like for the average artist and for how long? Not being able to make decisions for yourself when you are older would be hard on the head/Mental Health for sure. Side Note: It feels strange watching this video with only six of the members in it. #07
This is nothing special or nothing specific to kpop. Pretty much all labels (Korean or not) want their money back and it comes out of the artist's pocket. I am going to talk about this is future videos, I think it's something you might be interested in coming from somebody working in the American/European industry for major labels. Sounds like a good idea?
Hi again!, Love your comments! Now I thint I’m going to rewatch this with subtitles! Hope somebody help us for the next chapter, so you can put on the subtitles! 💜💜💜🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽💜💜💜
you have the captions on for yourself right? ah i was confused about what people were saying in comments but they mean to put captions on screen for us. ok so basically youd have to screen record of the video not download the video to add on your screen later. this may be a issue cause idk much about screen recording software and i hear its unpredictable can cut off or not work etc so i think you should record your reaction then later before posting screen record the full episode with captions then youll at least not have to worry about it while reacting. the only issue is when you pause to talk or if you get interrupted by a ad or a phone call loud noise etc random life stuff and you have to pause and rewind it will be hard to match that up later in those cases people should understand just pick up where you can sync it back up etc cause sometimes even when you edit it synced it will process and be unsynched later. i hope this makes sense its hard to explain. im a editor for a hobby so i know a bit but not enough to help in a professional way cause most software that are good quality cost money to capture captions so i never tried it myself. but yeah if we're not watching the original video we wont be able to see the captions on yours cause yours will be auto generated not the real translations unless you were to go in a subtitle everything copying from long form original videos and original music videos but that will take so long and is unnecessary imo. its just say you ask a question in this reaction most of us dont know korean so if we cant see what they say we have to go to the original and look to answer your questions. which isnt hard but less people with proper information will answer more who want to spread lies will make up answers aka non armys. but if we all see the captions we can answer or correct others. this goes for all reactions that need captions on btw so music videos, tv shows, documentarys, behind the scenes videos, interviews etc the captions you click on to watch it yourself we only get those on the original channel it doesnt transfer to reactors channels especially since youtube automatically goes by sound and house sounds plus you talking will be picked up before the video audio and if the video audio is picked up it will be gibberish because youtube dont automatically translate korean. the subtitle you see on music video is manual done by bts label and on rise of bangtan and other fan made videos its done by the creator of the videos. who get the translations for other armys who translate bts contents. hope this helps :)
Exactly, I am going to try to do this... however I am confused because I can see the captions myself on the RUclips video... Because I have been trying to do this for the last half an hour maybe I did something and now you guys can see it? I am confused... lol
@@frankiebiggz no you can't physically put the captions from the original to yours. once it's uploaded on RUclips you can't change it. you have to use a editing software off RUclips to re record the video with captions and add it to your video in a editing software. then once it's processed and render you can upload on RUclips like any other file. but you can't do this process on RUclips itself. I'll try to find a video to show what I mean brb.
@@frankiebiggz I'm still not fully sure but from looking it up many use a software called OBS that should capture the subtitles on screen but I never personally used it.
The channel Uroojy released a video today about idol mental health and the suicide issue. It is called: how your favorite idols are silently suffering. I thought you may enjoy it.
Sir i jst look for this ep as i watch ur reaction ..the cc is working 😊 but its ur reaction and i dont know what is ur issue..anyway fighting and borahae❤❤
Take everything in this show with a grain of salt and remember sometimes the way she frames things is confusing, since she assumes you already know all of this because this was made for bts fans :) That means that for example she will say "idols aren't allowed to write their own songs" while showing a quick clip of bts doing it, BUT she doesn't clarify that this never applied to bts because the assumption is that you already know it doesn't. There are many moments like this in the series. While overall the rise of bangtan is really good, keep in mind that the maker stopped making this series and deleted all the episodes because she wasn't ready for so many non-army to watch it and she wasn't happy with the narrative and the way she explained all things, because it left new people confused and with some false perceptions of bts :)
Please don't make up stories. You have no idea why she deleted the series and unless you can include a link to a video or interview where she says what you said - then just stop with the BS.
@@frankiebiggz she said she mainly wasn’t happy with the narrative and how she explained some stuff because she wasn’t expecting so many new people to watch it. She did do an amazing job with the editing and most of the info tho :) It’s generally a great series!
There is an 8 episode documentary on netflix about how they put together an international k-pop girl group and their two year training and it is supposedly only 1/10 as intense as what the korean groups go through. It was an interesting watch. That girl group debuted last year I think. Katseye. It is crazy that over 100 new groups debut every year and yet only 1% make it.
I tried to watch it and even filmed a reaction to 2 episodes (AYS style). I wasn't really feeling it, don't ask me why. Maybe I come back at a later time...
@frankiebiggz no need. It was a little cutthroat for the second half. They had those two years of training and were being ranked by talent, and then suddenly, they sprung it on the girls that to determine the final group they would have to participate in an elimination competition tv show based on votes from the public. So, many of the top ranked girls by the experts who were in group A suddenly found themselves at the bottom ranking or even eliminated. It was a bit cruel after all their hard work. One of the top girls chosen by the experts and the public was so unnerved about how they also tried to turn the girls against each other for ratings just walked off the show. She probably would have been in the final group. It was nothing like AYS as far as being a feel-good show. I was a little sad that hybe, Bang PD, and Son (BTS choreographer and dance trainer from their beginning) were involved. But it was a collaboration with Geffen records.
@frankiebiggz nope. It was lexie from Sweden. She was one of bang pd's favorites as well. Was the girl from Texas the blonde who was the best dancer? I forgot her name. Was it Emily? She didn't make it either. From top four to the bottom tier after public voting. The same thing happened with the girl from Slovakia. Top 4 and then dropped to last.
Wow you're killing me, Lexie was my favorite along with that girl from Texas (Can't remember her name) that was the best dancer (the one that injured herself in the beginning)!
Guys, thanks for watching even with the subtitles debacle. I am trying to fix it as we speak! I will let you know in my community tab when completely fixed. Please make sure to subscribe so you know when that happens.
@frankiebiggz you can think about whatching the video againg with the subs. if you do and post, i will watch both to support you, but if you dont have time, it's ok. 2ep, im sure everything will be all right. It's not the first time a reactor has had this essue :]
ahh ok. good that ur aware.
It's ok 😊
Just try to figure it out for the 2nd episode, don't stress about this one.
@@frankiebiggz LOL! I’ve watched this show so many times already, I think I have the subtitles memorized. Let’s me fool myself that I understand Korean. 😂
Frankie, it’s important for you to know that many times during this series, the creator is showing the juxtaposition of how the typical K-Pop groups (other companies) operate versus how BTS (Big Hit) operates. Since you are truly baby ARMY, without knowing this, you might be confused about certain situations portrayed. I hope this helps as you go forward. This series is absolutely incredible. Can’t wait to watch it again with you! Borahae💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Exactly i was not in this live unfortunately and i wanted to say this. That it is not shown well in this video but this is true.
yes.. agreed with you. i missed out the live stream
Reason behind Taehyung V being the hidden member
“V had great charms in terms of appearance &personality and talents ,so I thought it would be impactful when he was revealed last. It was an effective strategy in forming the team’s overall image,&leaving an impression of each member”
-Bang PD
While BTS do have rules they need to follow, this series really does highlight the difference between the other companies and BigHit at the time.
While they did have freedom it is important to note that they used that "freedom" to hone their craft and became even more determined to make it to the top and be the best in every aspect of song, rap and performance. Mad respect to PDBang, the boys and their production team (many of whom are still with the boys today.) They worked Hard!
Most important i think is their authenticity and dedication to exploring their art.
@@beccal.5369 yep exactly
Yes.....they were given freedom, but they were smart and focused enough to realize that they would have to work equally hard to be competitive and reach the top.
When it comes to unaliving and idols, it's not so much to do with the training system - they are already past that as working idols and there are many factors, including a high rate of SI in SK already (you'll see this in ch3), but more than the idol system itself, the media and expectation of high moral standards placed on celebrities in Korean culture probably were more important factors. It's not only idols, there was also a case this year of the Parasite actor (who's in his 40s) that ended his life bc of a media circus and police. This is why we have been very protective and proactive recently when the media circus took advantage of a member.
I just want to say, BTS were treated well compared to trainees at other companies. Bang PD treated them like artists from the beginning, giving them freedom to direct their careers. They worked hard because they were hungry for music and success. Not because they were forced. That’s not to say their training period was easy. Big Hit was on the edge of bankruptcy. BTS practiced in a cramped basement that flooded every time it rained. They ate very simply. They all had to share a bedroom. They were constantly struggling to keep things going until some revenue came in. So it wasn’t easy, but they were cared for.
Hey Frankie - Be aware that this series uses a subtle storytelling device in the first few episodes that reactors often are confused by. They talk about how the KPop industry usually does things, while showing BTS doing **the opposite.** Like talking about weigh-ins and restrictions on food while showing BTS eating all they want at a restaurant every day, sometimes multiple times a day, because it was upstairs from their leaky basement dance studio. BTS going out when the show talks about trainees not being able to go out. Others talking about not being allowed to go home til they met a requirement while BTS is shown working on writing and composing and producing their music all night long, out of pure passion and drive. BTS having their phones, filming and uploading freely and having free access to the internet while other are talking about being restricted, etc. BTS being able to talk openly about their management, to openly complain or offer critiques, they even released complaint songs like "A Typical Trainee's Christmas" and "A Typical Idol's Christmas" or to talk about what restrictions they think are unfair on Idols (in general) is all highly unusual. Notice most of the others commenting are "former" trainees and idols. Most companies do not allow idols to speak about internal matters or complain publicly. BTS also didn't have diets imposed at all. If they talk about dieting it was their own inclination/idea to want to look a certain way for a photo shoot. In fact, sometimes they overdid it, being just kids and not knowing how to manage their health and not having people overseeing that. Jimin in particular overdid fasting early on. BTS were largely self-directed, so though they did complain sometimes about long hours and pressures, they chose all of it. They pushed themselves harder than any management at Big Hit.
Also remember that Big Hit didn't have a training system in place before BTS. They had never trained a group. They were not a big company and did not have the budget for a fancy training system. They were making it up as they went along and Mr Bang also knew that he wanted to do things differently, to give the artists more freedom and more of a voice in everything, not just the music. Big Hit was like an extended family to the boys, Aunties and Uncles who genuinely loved them. There is a reason so many of the same Big Hit staff have been with them from the beginning or stayed with them many years. The Big Hit trainees were also encouraged, by Mr. Bang and by Namjoon, to have a "we're all in this together" attitude rather than be competitive with one another. Even today, those trainees who were training with the guys and didn't make the cut or chose to leave speak of it fondly, not as a hellscape but as the best time of their lives. They were working very hard though, likely harder than a lot of other groups at other labels, but it was work THEY CHOSE. The seven who made it into the group are all passionate and driven people.
Re: Mental Health. The subject of mental health itself is very taboo in S Korea. It's often seen as a moral failure to admit to at all. Mental health care is rare and mental health awareness abysmal. This makes BTS' candidness about their struggles and about mental health in general, in their communications and in their music right from the beginning when they were teenagers, even to their debut song and their pre-debut vlogs, all the more courageous and remarkable. This just was not done by idols at all, who had always presented a groomed, polished, perfect persona. BTS was **DIFFERENT** They are still different. This is still a taboo and seldom approached topic and usually with nothing like BTS' frankness and openness. Their many differences are why the industry cannot copy their success despite numerous attempts.
Idols who have ended their lives were often struggling with unrecognized depression and feeling crushed under the public expectations of perfection for idols more than the work. One was being sex trafficked to high profile, powerful people in S Korean society (but there is evidence that was not even a s**cide but rather a hit, to silence her because she was speaking out.) Another was an older man, an actor, star of the movie Parasite, who was being blackmailed and falsely accused of doing drugs and being relentlessly hounded in the media. He was posthumously exonerated. The S Korean public eats their own. In a hierarchical society not far from its feudal, authoritarian roots it's a crabs in a bucket mentality where when someone shines so brightly and is climbing up out of the bucket, everyone is keen to seek any fault or excuse to pull them back down. You will find that people don't have much to say in the media even about reasons behind these self-inflicted deaths because it's a taboo topic in S Korea and considered disrespectful to the idols and their families to imply they had mental health problems. Often, very little of the details are shared publicly.
S Korea also has the highest s**cide rate in the world in the 10-19 age range, which is what BTS were speaking to in No More Dream and N.O. The pressures on school kids are INSANE. Societal pressure to succeed in general is very high, but not to succeed too much! If you succeed too much, the mob is waiting to attack. The pressure of the industry are also why Suga wrote Snooze - to offer a hand to struggling younger artists to reach out and grab hold when they feel like they are drowning. And indeed, because of his messages in his solo work, he has been approached multiple times by idols having a hard time. He made himself a safe person to talk to, which is a rarity in that industry. One well known instance was with singer Suran. She was suffering writer's block and depression. He told her to come round to his studio and they talked long and he played a lot of his tracks for her (he is a prolific writer and producer and has a vault full) and she chose one which they worked on together. That ended up being a huge hit (thanks in part to ARMY) and also won him a big producing award. That song was Wine/If I Get Drunk Tonight. He also collabed with IU on her song Eight, which he also produced, which is a song about the multiple friends she lost to self-harm in a short period of time. S**cide seems to be the go-to option in S Korean when people feel crushed and overwhelmed or shamed, even if they are the victims of SA for instance. Victims of SA in S Korea are often considered more sullied and shamed than perpetrators.
Mr Bang has a master's degree in psychology. He really is a different kind of guy. I fully credit him with encouraging the guys to speak openly about their feelings, to prioritize their mental health and wellbeing, to work together to openly solve conflicts in the group and giving them the freedom to speak openly in their music about topics no one else outside indie artists would touch in S Korea. I also think Namjoon/RM, Yoongi/Suga and Hoseok/j-hope, the leadership triad of the rap line, are particularly emotionally aware and emotionally intelligent people who dare to be open in that regard by nature, even against their societal norms and pressures. Even Jin too, was more open and affectionate and not afraid to discuss these hard, emotional issues than is typical. It was a perfect fit with Bang and they, in turn, nurtured their younger brothers, Jimin, Taehyung/V and JK to stay open as well.
PS - Don't worry too much about the subs. We all know this series by heart anyway. LOL
Well said 💯agree Borahae army 💜
I would also add: even in cases where an idol is open about their struggle and have actively sought help for mental health issues, some have succumbed to their depression because a lot of proven safe and effective psychiatric drugs are illegal in Korea. One idol in particular was very open about his struggles and tried to advocate for people to seek help, but he too, succumbed because talk therapy is only so effective when there is more going on neuro chemically.
Korea has draconian drug laws in general (to give you an idea, poppy seed muffins are illegal there because poppies can be used to make opium), so the fact that they are preventing their citizens from accessing life saving medication is heartbreaking.
One idol got into a huge scandal that almost ruined her career because she was caught coming back from the states (where she lived as a child and the diagnosis first was made) with her doctor prescribed medication for ADHD and PTSD. Because those meds are illegal in Korea. Mental health is a huge issue in Korea, both culturally and legally.
@AnnieDHarpie , and I never forgave her agency for just throwing her under the bus in that situation. But did you see that 2NE1 is reuniting, even if it still under YG? I hope they get something good out of their comeback.
@@jacque1in I’ve seen! I’m so excited for them, they were one of the groups that originally got me into kpop before BTS, so I’m really looking forward to what they put out
@@jacque1in I will always be angry on her behalf too. The way “fans” labeled her as a criminal and an addict for legally prescribed, life improving medication always blows my mind
RM's complaint about having to dance is not about dancing being looked down upon in hip-hop.
In the beginning, BTS was originally a hip-hop group and consisted of rappers. They didn't have to dance more than an average hip-hop group. But along the way, the concept was changed and BTS became an IDOL hip-hop group, and you've seen the high level of dancing and choreography these K-pop groups have to have. The rapper trainees dropped out and only RM, Suga, and J-hope remained. Imagine how hard RM and Suga had to work, to raise their dancing skills to idols' standard.
Suga often joked that he was swindled into BTS. He was told that he didn't have to dance, but then BTS had some of the hardest choreography in the industry.
Someone who is more familiar with kpop than I am would probably be able to speak more specifically on this, but to your question, I think when idols have unalived themselves, it's not so much because it's hard on the practice and training side (i.e. being 'militaristic' or very structured generally), but because of the societal expectation put on idols to be perfect. (She touches on this in later episodes too, so you'll see this come up more.) That said, Korea also has a s*icide problem generally, which she also touches on in Chapter 3.
I don't think it's exaggerating to say that BTS and ARMY had made steps forward in modeling a new kind of idol culture. BTS were one of the first idols to be less "perfect", going live without makeup on, being themselves in lives and behind the scenes clips where they aren't "cool" but rather come across as a bunch of crackheads, etc. You can see this in a lot of their lyrics as well, for example they were one of the first (if not THE first) popular idol group to talk about mental health, and ways they've struggled mentally. For Westerners, this is what makes them more "attractive" as they seem like real people. In traditional idol culture however, being a "real" person is frowned upon. Luckily ARMY is a fandom that followed BTS outside of the idol norm and supported them regardless.
Great comment! 👍 💜
One of my very favorite documentaries!! ❤❤❤ Thank you for reacting to this! ❤ Borahae! 💜💜💜
Love your nod and smile as the restaurant auntie, talks so glowingly about the boys, how nice they are, how different from others, and how she knows they will succeed. So fun to see it affirmed, so many years ago, what we have come to know💜
Breaks my heart when Jhope didn’t get any messages at the beginning!!! Thank u for reacting tot he deleted scenes!
4:17 Here's something else to wrap your mind around. The revenue that BTS makes is more than the revenue of the subsequent top 10 kpop groups...and when BTS started their enlistment and group activities there was a noticeable decline in the kpop industry so often when these numbers are combined it doesn't allow for the fact that those numbers are really BTS' numbers.
oh my
so true
My fav fanmade docu! Not just facts and videos collected in chronological order but great storytelling throughout the series too 🔥
Oh rise of bangtan. Such a good series! Shout out to the fan who made this, she did such a good job!
With the mental health aspects, one of the things that set BigHit apart even in the earlier years was that when the guys struggled, the company ( at the direction of Bang Si Hyuk) made sure they got mental health support. RM has discussed his deep, potentially life-threatening depression from his trainee days that I think still rears up from time to time. Suga has also talked about his depression and OCD in the early years and Jin went through a burnout in the second half of 2020 that sounded to me as a lay person as if he struggled with imposter syndrome. And some of the others have made remarks in passing that sounded to me like they had benefitted from professional insight. My understanding is that they may even have in-company mental health support to make it easy and private.
Several of the BTS members were friends with some of the idols mentioned by others who died tragically. (And least two of those losses were part of a cluster among friends.) Whatever underlying issues were exacerbated by public and media harassment not much different from what was done to Yoongi this summer. I don't know how many other ARMY were concerned during Suga's harassment incident, but I was just grateful that before he enlisted, he seemed in a good headspace and although I am sure this has been hard, he's got the support he needs to survive it. His harassment is ongoing but I think the message that true ARMY still support him is getting through, and he's surrounded by friends who care about his well-being.
Bang PD will always have my respect for addressing these issues from the very beginning.
Mind blowing to me: Besides all of the photo shoot, dance practices, music video, singing, fan meets, promotion, and song writing - all of them were attending High School or College.
Wow!!! 😲😵😎💜
Sooooo excited to follow along with you. This will be my third time watching the series. It is very well done by a fan who is also a professional editor. She of course did it on her own time.
Taehyung V remained a hidden member of the team before the official debut. He made his first appearence on Twitter X on 02.06.2013 completing the team with his unique talents. And actually Jimin hinted about Taehyung in one of his tweets..
In a recent Forbes economic analysis BTS bring $4.9Billion US to the country each year.... As well as that - The economic onflow (hotels, food,, etc) from every BTS concert held in South Korea is worth $1 billion US.... eg. Stores in Seoul reported a 1200% rise in sales during BTS 10th Festa last year. ...
Yes, a single concert of BTS brought in nearly as much revenue as the Winter Olympics in S Korea did. This is the reason there was such hot debate on whether it was right for the S Korean government to force them into hiatus for mandatory military service when others, like Olympic athletes, other artists and rich people's kids, can get exemptions, especially if they are seen as adding to national prestige by their work and it would be detrimental to interrupt them in their prime. It seemed stupid for the S Korea government to sideline the biggest thing EVER to come out of S Korea. But BTS took that decision out of their hands by serving voluntarily, and rightly so. If they had accepted the exemptions being dangled over them, the S Korean government would have had a hold on them forever, and it would have given their haters and enemies lots of fodder to attack them for shirking their duty.
@@NanciBK I respect the members so much for making that decision. No one should question their patriotism and Korean pride. They never even considered whether to ask for exemption. They just viewed it as something every Korean male does. Nothing more nothing less. Their parents raised amazing boys. Shout out to those parents.
Not just Korea, either -- LA and Las Vegas were both absolutely floored by the economic benefits to their cities from the Permission to Dance shows in 2021/2022. LA reported more than $100M USD from their 4-show series and for Las Vegas the following spring, it was $162M USD. Local Korean-related businesses and restaurants were out the door in both cities. It was kind of funny because ARMY knew what to expect but locals had never experienced the 'borafication' of their hometowns before. 😆💜 But they were generally grateful for the economic benefit, especially since we were still in the pandemic at the time.
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Yes, Vegas learned from watching what happened in LA and they leaned in hard to embracing and welcoming BTS and ARMY. The city turned purple. The Bellagio Fountain was playing BTS. Pop-ups and themed meals and hotels decked out for ARMY were everywhere. They changed signs to read Welcome To Borahaegas! It was a whole city-wide ARMY party.
Yes all that! Im in Korea for work for two years and even while not technically active, Hybe has exhibitions for each member and movie releases. And then their birthdays. There were like a 100 coffee houses doing birthday sets for JK and RM's birthday. The set comes with a cup and photo cards, some have key chains, etc. I went to five different ones each time and they were all hoping. The coffee places were ready to get people through and they played the member's music. There were photo stands. And these giys were making money all day!! I met ARMYs from everywhere passing through because they know Hybe and Korean retailers will celebrate their birthdays. So, while at smaller scale, Korean economy is still well supported by BTS and ARMYs! It will be insane next year 😂
I feel you're going to really enjoy this series as it moves forward Frankie.... they really put the work in and deserve every success ... Army will forever be grateful to the OG KArmy for being there from pre-debut... It's due to them that the members continued to vlog and create a detailed visual account of their journey. It was difficult for them to debut, not as structured as the other agencies as far as the amount of classes/hours but they still had daily schedules/dance practices/workouts/vocal sessions etc... Aneesa (the creator of this series) did a wonderful job of piecing together content to form a fluid trajectory from their beginnings.....
Boracity talked about SK scandal culture in her recent essay. She is 💯 right. When someone makes the slightest misstep they are hounded relentlessly and some unfortunately break under pressure and commit su*cide. That's why ARMY pushed back so hard during Suga's incident and that's why we are still plastering our support billboards all over Seoul and keep charting Suga's songs on all the charts. For us it was extremely important to show that we have his back so he continues to stay strong. 💜💜💜
Every time I watch this series, I always think “I can’t believe how much they’ve grown, but stayed the same” 💜💜💜
How can you not fall in love with these starry eyed young men ??? Never in their wildest dreams, could they have imagined that they would become worldwide superstars like they are today. I don’t know them personally (obviously) , but yet, I’m so proud of what they have accomplished ! I know you can appreciate that Frankie. 💜
And this one is my one of favorite docu.
Oh, Frankie! You had the 'Proud Papa' face going in this one 😁 I know that face because I am a 'Proud Mama' lol. From this point on, you will always be in "Protect my boys mode'. It's just a natural thing that happens. You're going to love this series & I can't wait to see the next one. 💜
America is the largest music industry in the world followed by Japan. The Kpop industry is as big as it is mostly because of Japan which is why most Kpop artists either speak Japanese or learn it during their career and will release Japanese albums since that is where most of their revenue comes from next to Korea. The American music industry and profits were always something they wanted a piece of but could barely crack due to language barriers, racism and it generally being a niche market that was hard to gain audiences from the general public - until BTS that is.
Amazingly BTS has had a huge impact in the world globally not because their label tried to focus on it - it was because in the first 2 to 3 years of their career the fans took it upon themselves to translate their Bangtan Bombs, music videos, interviews and other content related to BTS. The company (Big Hit) themselves only started including captions around 2015-2016 since they saw how popular the videos with translations were. Some early channels that were the go to for all this were 1TheK and Bangtan Subs. Their music and videos are still available on these channels, so if you ever need subs on early content - go check these out.
It always surprises me when people are shocked that they do casting on the street and focus on years of training thinking that these things are exclusive to the Kpop industry. America was doing a lot of this back in the late 50's and up into the 70's. Once Hollywood and music labels grew big enough, they didn't have to go looking anymore because people were coming to them wanting to be stars. For the music industry - this is where we got groups like the Beach Boys, The Monkey's and so much more.
Take Disney for instance. They still start with young kids and train them like crazy for singing, dancing, acting - the whole nine yards.
The problem with the Kpop industry is they are still running on 1950's gender bias, misogyny, and desire to pump out new groups every year. Most groups don't last very long and you have to have new people waiting in the wings to step up when sales start going down. And most people who become Kpop stars use it as a stepping stone to go into acting, advertising, influencers and so on, so most of them aren't there to develope a career in music to begin with.
The biggest part of the problem is when they get young people to join and they don't know what the contracts are really asking of them. Some people have very successful careers and make no money because the contracts have them paying for everything during their years of training and everything after that from make-up to wardrobe. These people come out of it with so much debt. This is probably why when Jin was approached by someone from SM he didn't follow up. To him - it would be a scam where they want to sign him not because they thought he would be any good - but because they could get him locked into a contract where all he did was owe them money. Big Hit didn't have a clause for paying for training which is probably why Jin chose them.
Bangtan's laughter is healing them and us! 'When we're together, we can smile.' I need Bangtan laughing and smiling back together asap! 💜
The thing to take away from this episode is the difference in treatment of K-pop idols and trainees in the industry in general compared to BTS, who from the beginning were deeply involved in THEIR music, CHOOSING to attend training without having to meet a quota of hours. Bang Shi Hyuk made the deliberate choice to address MUSIC LOVERS rather than selling 'untouchable gods.' Moreover, they weren't seen as mere products, as BigHit had FAITH IN THEM to evoke something meaningful. Many 'idol rules' fell away as a result; for example, they were able to live their lives without the agency dictating them.
The only thing expected from them was to pour their INNER SELF into their work.
BTS worked so hard, supporting and encouraging each other, what a lesson in life!
Oh I’m really happy that you enjoy it! This series is great, it gives so much insights and context and shows their relationship and where they come from.
Thank You for reacting to it!! Loved it! Watched it so many times that I can guess the subtitles for the most parts. If it’s possible please show English subtitles too! Can’t wait for the next episode! With every episodes it gets better and better
this is my favorite docu serie of BTS it explains everything in order from each comeback and they just keep getting better and better. and you get to know the boys and see how they captured army´s heart. for most kpop it´s very structured and very lacking of substance. you just have a good looking group who can dance and sing but they don´t feel the song they sing. that is the big diffrent from BTS who was themself from the start. and fans loved it. they are dorky and funny not like the others. and the music was actually amazing with deep lyrics. and army´s from 2013 who started supporing them then, is still part of army today, and they say it too. there is just something qnique about BTS
Mowtown did a bit of that going out onto the streets and then training their artist including how to do their makeup, how to speak, what to wear and gave them musical training.
@@ruthfischer7615 You are correct they did.
I'm so excited you started this series!! 💜
So happy you are watching this.
Thank you for reacting. Welcome to the rabbit hole.
Yes! You watched the deleted scenes! Thats a win! ❤
I love Rise of Bangtan because it's very nice to watch how everything started. They were so little and so naive at that time... they never imagined how big they would be in the future
Unfortunately, it is true that some idols have decided to end their lives due to stress, depression, and cyberbullying.
I can mention some of them, the most famous cases but not the only ones.
Kim Jong-hyun: Member of Shinee. (2017)
Sully: Member of f(X). (2019)
Goo Hara: Member of KARA. (2019)
Moonbin: Member of ASTRO. (2023)
This series will teach you more about their early days and how they came up, than any other content I think. I'm glad you could at least read the english subtitles. I look forward to you figuring out the english subs showing up because some ARMY may be watching the series for the first time with you and be lost without them. Thank you for letting the video run right to the end....many reactors stop it when the previews for the next episodes come up, but there is always content after the previews. Thank you for also watching the deleted scenes. Those deleted scenes and bonus content (which starts at ch. 3 I believe) is equally as important as the main chapters and often contains some of the funniest stuff. Thanks again for taking the time to get to know BTS and their journey from nothing.
thank you so much for reacting to this
I'm sure the next vids will have the captions, but this was so enjoyable to rewatch again😊
Very well made series! Glad you're starting it!😊
I love this series. It shows how hard they worked, the struggles from the beginning, the bond and trust they developed with each other and the intimate relationship they developed with ARMY. It’s a great watch. 💜🫰🏻
That old auntie is still there. It's one of the places armys go to eat when they go to seoul..
I bet she can cook! 🤤
I am looking forward to this!
Idols that have committed suicide that we tend to hear about, it has been because of pressure from the public (antis, k-netizens, attacks resulting from yellow press) rather than from how tough the training is. I thought after Jonghyun from Shinee that something might have been done to help, but no. Then Sulli from FX, but no. Then Goo Hara... K-media and K-netizens just do not learn. If anything, they've gotten worse. (If you look into Sulli and Goo Hara, you'll see how much harsher the Korean public is on female idols and you will come across the Burning Sun scandal. Be prepared to be angry.)
Too many 😢🙏
I'm going to leave multiple comments because when I go on to long - they get deleted. For the captions.
I'm glad to know that you had the captions on and it's difficult for those watching who do not have the context of what was being said. I went in and turned on the CC's and used the auto generate - although this method is not perfect by any means - it did still help. So for those of you who want captions try this.
Thank you!
@@frankiebiggz PS if you pin my comment about the captions at the top it might save you some headaches later from people all asking the same thing. You don't have to just a suggestion.
@@cnot4948 I did! Thanks!
ahh ty, will do next time
Wow, what a pleasant surprise! I don’t know why but I thought you’d release it on Sunday (no complain!). Thanks for this Happy Friday surprise 💜
I could not see subtitles but you‘ve seen them while watching, right?
What I really like in this episode is that it highlights the different path chosen by BigHit compared to other companies. As the founder noticed he decided not to force our boys to go through the curriculum chosen by the company. Still boys were self-motivated to do the idol program so that they could compete with other idols groups. The same goes with beauty standards, they were not forced to the members (actually half of the members did not fit Korean beauty standards). Still members followed some of them that they felt are necessary, e.g. Jhope going on a diet to get better pictures. And that’s actually the right decision according to psychology studies, when you WANT to do something you’re more likely to get it better than when you are FORCED to do these things. Just easy yet impactful decision.
Yes! I can see the subtitles, just problems with the transfer of subtitles. I'm going to screen record next time. Thanks! BTW Sunday surprise too! 🙌
@Frankie Biggz, The K-pop idols that unalive themselves: 1. JONGHYUN from SHINee from a boy group
2. Sulli from f/x girl group
3. Goo Hara from Kara girl group
4. MoonBin from Astro a boys group
These are the four that I’m familiar with I know there were several others but I’m not exactly sure it was very tragic and heartbreaking because one of the members that I listed here I follow their group and even went to one of the concerts!
Mental health in South Korea is getting a little bit better for helping not just only K-pop idols but the general public people did not want to admit if they had a mental problem or stress it was looked down upon and it is still to this day not a public conversation that people in South Korea talked about.
@ Frankie Biggz, The K-pop idols have so much pressure on them to be at the top to be almost if not perfect and everything working around the clock as trainees adds pressure but what really adds the cherry on top here is that K netizens and other social media platforms that the K-pop idols will talk to the fans, on social media platforms that can be toxic people who claim to be the fans of the K-pop idols are not always fans that come in on the conversations and it becomes wary and taxing on these K-pop idols their emotional states get torn down and they’re not getting help to discuss or talk about things.
One thing I can tell you about BTS’s label HYBE they do have mental health for their K-pop idols they’ll be able to talk to somebody they’ll be able to get the help that they need. And I don’t understand how BTS lasted 11 1/2 years with only two major breaks like vacations they always had cameras on them even during their staycations and game shows run BTS they were always under the spotlight! Just hope that the all K-pop idols are starting to get the mental health and they need so that there won’t be any more situation’s that cause them to end their lives!💜
You know how awful all the hate comments that you received were, so maybe you can imagine the kind of hate comments these idols receive. If their mental state was not strong to begin with, piling all this hate on top of that can sometimes lead to a breaking point. Since Jonghyun and Sulli, South Korea has passed stricter laws about internet trolling, but it still happens a lot. (Because where is the line between freedom of speech) Suga talks about this in his verse in the Rap Line’s song Ugh! as well as in his song Haegeum. Where he says, “Your freedom could be the reason for someone’s death. Can you still consider that freedom?” Suga also has a song with singer IU (who is like the Taylor Swift of South Korea) where they pay tribute to their fallen friends. The song is called Eight, if you are interested.
omggg can’t wait!! love this series
I'm happy that I'm watching the video with you and your reaction is real and your choice of video is amazing thank you and I hope you continue watching all the episodes and also more BTS songs and concerts
Thank you! Of course! Lots more BTS content coming!
thank you! glad to see reaction for this series!
as I know, you don’t have to do a copyright-edit, because for these series - everything is ok
do have subtitles? the vlogs are in korean so for you to understand them you need to turn the cc on...and show them too so the viewer who doesn't speak korean can follow with the video
I will reserch on how to do this, apologies!
So, i will wait for the subs to whatch the reactions, fighting!
@@frankiebiggz Thank you 💜💜💜
I was about to say the same thing
@@frankiebiggzjust turn on CC and it should be in English 💜
I you continue to watch these moving forward, could you please show the English translation on the screen. Thank you.
I don't really know how to do it, but I will research, apologies for that!
@frankiebiggz if you can't, don't sweat it
We've all seen it a thousand times so not seeing the subtitles isn't the end of the world.
@@MissSmartypants555 most not all
@@faith6833 Of course. I misspoke. Thank you for the correction. Borahae!💜
Loved that you enjoyed this video and I love your reaction😊 waiting to join on the next episode with you.
12 ans en arrière , leurs débuts c'est quelque chose de mignon
No worry is never too long when is about our boys 🤗..thank for you reactions and thoughts can’t wait for the next episode 💜
Okay, i love when a reactor started to watch the series. for me, it means you try to know the whole story, the whole movie. Know only their songs means you only know the OST. of the movie 😂💜
Thx for Los including the deleted scenes! For me, no worries about the subtitles since I have it nearly memorized and can pay more attention to what you say or even your expressions. You have already the proud papa look for them! I’m older than you or around the same age and I still have that look! 😂I too know how hard the hours are in a set or MV and rehearsals venue. Crazy. One thing I didn’t see is that many ARMY tell new viewers that they practice singing while running on treadmills to get the stamina and breathing. I may not comment in all since catching up will take some time while I too am busy. 😂💜💜💜👏👏👏
Haha 😂 thank you! These boys have got me working with all this content! Thank God they took a break for MS, it gives me some time to react to their earlier work!
Jin came from a rich family but chose to live with the members in a cramp apartment before their debut while being full-time college student speak well of his discipline.
The fact they remain 7 for 13years with the same company make them the G.O.A.T at least in KPop.
@@ruthfischer7615 frankei here this👆
Fankei this ruthfischer7615 .. not m.soberano792.
Gracias por reaccionar 💜🇦🇷
Thank you I hope you enjoyed 💜🫶
This show is 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 I wish Netflix would buy it from her and give her like an Emmy. She did such an amazing job telling the story. And editing.
I would love to see this series on Netflix too. The problem is no matter how much they pay the creator for it they would still need to get the rights to so much copywriten material - it would be a logistical nightmare.
But this series is absolutely award winning.
It certainly is, a nightmare, that's what my wife does! She loves it but it's hard work! Loving the show thought, amazing work!
This is a great series! Aneesa (the creator of The Rise of Bangtan) shared that she has been working on this series (her labor of love) for over 3 years! She is taking viewer on a journey step-by-step from BTS' perspective not looking back on their days but living through them (with them). She edits their content to allow BTS to speak their thoughts, through their experiences at the time because BTS has been documenting themselves since BEFORE their debut, so there is A LOT of material to edit down to tell their story! She also gives an overview of the KPop history for those who are not familiar with the industry. She uses clips from different video clips of other idols/ journalists interviews to try to give a broader perspective of the industry. Her skill as a professional video editor really shines through. Amazing work! I think many ARMY really like this series (besides it being extremely well made), she doesn't try to interpret what "she thinks" BTS is trying to say, she just shows the viewers exactly what they said and shared about what their thoughts were at the time. She is an "OG" KPop fan and BTS fan since pre-debut! She also shared that BTS has been the light in her darkness for many years now. *(Cr: "FY" on yt)*
I think it's important to notice the differences between BTS' worries and the other trainees worries. BTS' were worried about their own personal skills (not dancing well enough, song worries, etc), about not getting attention when they debut due to their small company, not having money, etc. While the other trainees seem to be living in fear of being cut from the company at any moment if they make one mistake, worrying about weight quotas, etc. BTS stayed until late hours because they WANTED to, while the other trainees HAD to. Obviously BTS had things they had to do too, they could've not made it to debut as Jimin almost did due to short training, but instead of using that as a fear to hold over them Bighit seemed to use it to encourage them to work harder and improve themselves. BTS were allowed to make mistakes without worrying they'd be thrown out of the company.
I'm very glad that they all signed with Bighit, and that Bighit has caused a shift in the Kpop industry, lots of newer companies are giving their groups more freedom and treating them better due to BTS' success. These companies see that idols don't need to be punished and forced to do things in order to succeed, BTS are proof that freedom and happiness should be the most important thing. *(Cr: "Shannon" on yt)*
Now plz understand this 1st & 2nd episode shows two sides, one is typical k-pop system and how the labels/industry work, whereas subtle hints of BTS and bighit being contradictory different is shown, BTS is different from other K-pop groups and BigHit is different from other idol music companies. These first few episodes can be misleading because it makes you think BTS management follows these guidelines the other idol members from other companies are talking about, but BTS and BigHit don't do those things. Notice how when it is said idols don't have a lot of creative freedom, you see Namjoon and Yoongi writing lyrics, or when it says idols have phone bans or something, you see the BTS members on their phones, or how when idols say they aren't allowed to go outside the dorm, you see Yoongi walking around freely. It can be a confusing thing for new ARMY to make note of, but PLEASE notice these differences. It is vital to how BigHit runs differently, and therefore why BTS is so different from other idol groups from the very start. *(Cr: "Kayla Kulik" on yt)*
Thanks so much for watching this! So excited to see your reactions. Have a great weekend!
You too!!
Just to give you a heads up, some of the chapters have clips from their documentaries starting with chapter 13 to the end of the series even tho it's not finished 💜
Heya Frankie! I’m starting your journey with The Rise of Bangtan. I may be behind, but Isee a lot of good ARMY giving proper expansion on the episodes as it approaches K-pop in general and BTS. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Remember to adjust for Korean Age. In this episode (begininng 2013) they were in international age - Jin - 20 , Suga - 19, JHope - 18, RM - 18, Jimin - 17, V - 17, JK - 15 ....
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I think it’s the opposite. They used Korean Age since 2013 and only shifted to international age just a year or two ago. So when they say their age in most of this series, you need to remove 1-2 years to get their international age. In Korean age, you are 1 year old when you are born and you add another year when you cross the New Year. V was born Dec. 30 so he was 1 yr old (Korean Age) but turned 2 a few days later on New Year’s Day. SK now uses international age.
@BoraMom This series is using Korean ages.. so you need to convert it into international age...
Rule of thumb - if it's before their birthday - subtract 2 years to get international age. if it's after their birthday - subtract 1 year to get their international age.
The Korean Government has recently (June28 2023) brought in international age as the standard in Korea, but all older videos/ interviews/ shows, including this one, will be referencing Korean age.
The members were only 13-18 years old when they joined BTS and 15-20 yo when they debuted... the international age I gave in my comment was correct.
In Korea when you are born you are considered 1 year old. Then on lunar newyear every year you add another year to your age, no matter what your birthdate is. ....
Year of birth - International age at Debut on 13June13
Jin 1992 - 20 yo
Suga 1993- 20 yo Suga started with MIDI at 11
JHope 1994 - 19 yo
RM 1994 - 18 yo RM started rapping at 11 and was well known in the underground scene at 13 and signed with BigHit at 16.
Jimin 1995 - 17 yo
V 1995 - 17 yo
JK 1997 - 15 yo he signed with big hit at 13
💜Have a great day
@@beccal.5369 Ok, guess I was initially confused thinking you meant the opposite. We are actually saying the same thing but in different ways, haha. I did mention that the boys were giving their Korean ages in the earlier episodes. I live in Asia and grew up with friends whose parents still counted age that way. 🤭 Have a great day too! 💜
@@BoraMomsorry I think I probably didn't explain it properly... hopefully with all the extra we both added he will know what we mean by the different ages. BORAHAE💜
thank you for your reaction! I waited all week for this! can't wait for your journey!
Woah, can't believe you got strikes on this, as this series has been around for years & no other past reactors had been getting struck, even when each of them had gone thru all 21 episodes. Someone must have changed their minds in these recent days.
09/27/24
Hi. I'm really enjoying your journey. One suggestion: Please move the viewing screen up so that subtitles are not cut off (for future episodes). Thanks. 💜
41:24 'To. Bangtan fan'... No A.R.M.Y yet! 🥴
Don’t forget to turn caption on. Thank you !
I’m so excited to watch you react to this series. It’s fan made and very well done. Her name is Aneesa (or Anisa). I think she originally planned this to be like 22 or 23 episodes but she works as a video editor and I guess she’s too busy now to finish the series. I really hope she’s been working on it slowly and will eventually upload it.
Yes, its true that she had planed on doing 22/23 episodes. But, sorry to say, she took the entire series down, her original channel doesn't even exist anymore. What you can find now online are re-uploads from other ARMY who had saved the episodes. I doubt she will finish it. It's too bad because she did an amazing job. But we can always hope...
@@rosanaredecker6127 someone else on YT told me she got a job working for Disney and they asked her to take it down. Don’t know if it’s true, but if so it makes sense since she did such a great job and Disney wouldn’t want her series as their competition
@@ruthfischer7615 oh thank you for clarifying. I feel bad for her. She clearly worked really hard on it and I can see why she felt frustrated. There are several licensed documentaries which cover separate time periods but none that covered the first 6-7 years as comprehensively as hers
We can't see the subs 😅
I can follow because i know the chapter pretty well but it would be better if we could follow with you
Trying to figure out how to transfer the CCs from the original as we speak. I've never done it, sorry
@@frankiebiggzplease read my comment and if you need me to clarify let me know but you can't transfer the captions manually it'll take too much time and you won't enjoy reactions needing all this extra work. my other comment explains more but let me know if you need more clarification 💜💜
Frankie, we'd all appreciate it if you could find a away so that we can see the subtitles on the videos too. 💜
Yes, I am going to get it fixed somehow. Apologies, I will let you know when it's fixed!
I can't wait for chapter 2💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
It's live now! 💜
@@frankiebiggz I watched it and am loving going on the journey with you. Lots of love from Kenya💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
It makes no sense, because hip hop dance was just as important as rap when it started. And it's upsetting that people think that. J-Hope's world was street dance before he ever rapped.
So I know you have to edit the video because of copyright, but I just wanted to say that I like this way of editing. We can't hear the lyrics, but we can hear everything they say and everything they are singing and rapping. It really confirms how talented they are with just the vocals.
My friend. They say the story/history is determined by the narrator. BTS alone is bringing in Billion dollars. When BTS said they were going on a hiatus the leader of the Korean music industry(Ministry of culture) BEGGED them not to. They needed a rest, no vacation for 10 yrs. All kpop idols train one way. BTS did not😊 you see them wearing jackets inside. They were freezing.
We can enjoy your reactions much more if we can see subtitles too.💜
I know, trying to fix it! apologies!
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I’ll have to wait for episode 2 with English subs. I don’t speak Korean.
Somehow all the English subs are actually in the Korean subs, I am sorry, this subtitles thing is being such a mess with this episode... I am trying to fix it as we speak 😭😭
I'm just realizing that I've seen the first part so many times that I don't need subtitles anymore 😂 Or my Korean has gotten better...
Same
Haha, wow, well still trying to fix it.
Frankie, on your own time and for personal enjoyment and NOT a reaction, as a Silver Army, I suggest you watch the hilarious Run Jin series, as well as his short series Half Star Hotel on Lost Island!!! Both are mandatory post-military service, as he was discharged on June 12, 2024!!!!! I will say, the Run Jin episodes with his competitions with teenagers from his high school and younger middle school aged children, playing a video game competition and another with tennis experts, ARE HILARIOUS!!!!!! So if you need to feel better and just want to laugh, take in the Run Jin episodes!!!!
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I'll check it out! Thanks! 💜
Just a note incase you don’t understand Korean age. The ages that the members give in their early vlogs are not their actual ages. Until 2023 Koreans calculated age differently. Babies were considered to be 1 as soon as they were born. Also, the Korean government would change everyone’s age on their records on January 1st. So even if your birthday was in December (like Jin and V) if you were going to turn 18 in 2013, on January 1st you were considered to be 18 even though there were still 12 months until your actual birthday. So in some cases they are actually 2 years younger than the age they state in their vlogs, but they are always at least 1 year older than their stated age.
A year younger than the korean age
Yes, somebody else explained this to me in another video. Thank you!
You could also react to Jin's "Run Jin" variety show...so far there are 7 episodes, they're very funny, excellent.
Go to settings, subtitles and turn on English please.
The auto-subs call Bangtan the 'bank tank'. Hilarious! 🤣
@@ruthfischer7615 I just still had them on from the last video I watched. I switched them off, so I didn't see all that. Auto-subs still don't work well. It's a bummer. Good that we all know that JK is 'cool' (cute), not stupid! Don't be too annoyed about an automated mistake. Computers don't have feelings and mean nothing, can do harm though.
Fixing these subtitles in the next episodes, apologies guys! 🙏
Of course there is a dark side to the industry. But please do not laser focus on it.
There is a stain of “othering” that colors a lot of videos critical of the K-pop industry. They report on it as if this is a problem unique to Asia. You already started thinking this way when you said it looks “militaristic.”
It’s not. What this industry looks like is western sports industries. Baseball, soccer, tennis, basketball. All of these sports businesses search out and recruit extremely young talent. They remove the best from school and put them on the professional track. But we barely bat an eye about it.
A football team going through warm-up drills looks pretty militaristic too. But we never say that, do we?
So please keep an eye out for ethnic bias when criticizing the Asian music industry. Of course there are problems. There are problems with managers taking advantage of workers at the local supermarket, too. Power dynamics and abuse happen everywhere, not just in K-pop.
It makes you think about how their contracts are generated in the beginning and how corporate heavy they would be for a lot of people. I've heard that idols have to reimburse the company for their expenses out of their revenue generated, so the idols begin indebted to the Company from Day 1. What does the issue of Guardianship of Minors and legal capacity look like for the average artist and for how long? Not being able to make decisions for yourself when you are older would be hard on the head/Mental Health for sure. Side Note: It feels strange watching this video with only six of the members in it. #07
This is nothing special or nothing specific to kpop. Pretty much all labels (Korean or not) want their money back and it comes out of the artist's pocket. I am going to talk about this is future videos, I think it's something you might be interested in coming from somebody working in the American/European industry for major labels. Sounds like a good idea?
Hi again!, Love your comments! Now I thint I’m going to rewatch this with subtitles! Hope somebody help us for the next chapter, so you can put on the subtitles! 💜💜💜🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽💜💜💜
Please! Trying to fix it as we speak! Haha! Apologiessss
you have the captions on for yourself right?
ah i was confused about what people were saying in comments but they mean to put captions on screen for us. ok so basically youd have to screen record of the video not download the video to add on your screen later. this may be a issue cause idk much about screen recording software and i hear its unpredictable can cut off or not work etc so i think you should record your reaction then later before posting screen record the full episode with captions then youll at least not have to worry about it while reacting. the only issue is when you pause to talk or if you get interrupted by a ad or a phone call loud noise etc random life stuff and you have to pause and rewind it will be hard to match that up later in those cases people should understand just pick up where you can sync it back up etc cause sometimes even when you edit it synced it will process and be unsynched later.
i hope this makes sense its hard to explain. im a editor for a hobby so i know a bit but not enough to help in a professional way cause most software that are good quality cost money to capture captions so i never tried it myself. but yeah if we're not watching the original video we wont be able to see the captions on yours cause yours will be auto generated not the real translations unless you were to go in a subtitle everything copying from long form original videos and original music videos but that will take so long and is unnecessary imo. its just say you ask a question in this reaction most of us dont know korean so if we cant see what they say we have to go to the original and look to answer your questions. which isnt hard but less people with proper information will answer more who want to spread lies will make up answers aka non armys. but if we all see the captions we can answer or correct others.
this goes for all reactions that need captions on btw so music videos, tv shows, documentarys, behind the scenes videos, interviews etc the captions you click on to watch it yourself we only get those on the original channel it doesnt transfer to reactors channels especially since youtube automatically goes by sound and house sounds plus you talking will be picked up before the video audio and if the video audio is picked up it will be gibberish because youtube dont automatically translate korean. the subtitle you see on music video is manual done by bts label and on rise of bangtan and other fan made videos its done by the creator of the videos. who get the translations for other armys who translate bts contents. hope this helps :)
Exactly, I am going to try to do this... however I am confused because I can see the captions myself on the RUclips video... Because I have been trying to do this for the last half an hour maybe I did something and now you guys can see it? I am confused... lol
@@frankiebiggz no you can't physically put the captions from the original to yours. once it's uploaded on RUclips you can't change it. you have to use a editing software off RUclips to re record the video with captions and add it to your video in a editing software. then once it's processed and render you can upload on RUclips like any other file. but you can't do this process on RUclips itself. I'll try to find a video to show what I mean brb.
@@frankiebiggz I'm still not fully sure but from looking it up many use a software called OBS that should capture the subtitles on screen but I never personally used it.
Hello, I follow the Brazilian channel, as there are no subtitles, I wanted to know if you watched it with subtitles so you could understand better
I did, but I have to figure out how to transfer those to the actual reaction video. Some armys are helping me, so hopefully I can have them soon!
For future reference: go to setting, find captions in the settings menu, then select the language.
Didn't work, it goes nuts because the video is half in Korean half in English... I will screen record next time.
The channel Uroojy released a video today about idol mental health and the suicide issue. It is called: how your favorite idols are silently suffering. I thought you may enjoy it.
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Sir i jst look for this ep as i watch ur reaction ..the cc is working 😊 but its ur reaction and i dont know what is ur issue..anyway fighting and borahae❤❤
Half Korean half English, hard to understand any of the 2 if you don't speak both! Thanks for watching!
Take everything in this show with a grain of salt and remember sometimes the way she frames things is confusing, since she assumes you already know all of this because this was made for bts fans :)
That means that for example she will say "idols aren't allowed to write their own songs" while showing a quick clip of bts doing it, BUT she doesn't clarify that this never applied to bts because the assumption is that you already know it doesn't. There are many moments like this in the series.
While overall the rise of bangtan is really good, keep in mind that the maker stopped making this series and deleted all the episodes because she wasn't ready for so many non-army to watch it and she wasn't happy with the narrative and the way she explained all things, because it left new people confused and with some false perceptions of bts :)
Please don't make up stories. You have no idea why she deleted the series and unless you can include a link to a video or interview where she says what you said - then just stop with the BS.
Thank you both for your insights. 💜
@@JinJuneOut-ld1jn She literally posted a whole note on why she deleted them on her RUclips community page saying she wasn't happy with it...
That's crazy, she did a great job! Why did she say she was not happy about it?
@@frankiebiggz she said she mainly wasn’t happy with the narrative and how she explained some stuff because she wasn’t expecting so many new people to watch it. She did do an amazing job with the editing and most of the info tho :) It’s generally a great series!
There is an 8 episode documentary on netflix about how they put together an international k-pop girl group and their two year training and it is supposedly only 1/10 as intense as what the korean groups go through. It was an interesting watch. That girl group debuted last year I think. Katseye. It is crazy that over 100 new groups debut every year and yet only 1% make it.
I tried to watch it and even filmed a reaction to 2 episodes (AYS style). I wasn't really feeling it, don't ask me why. Maybe I come back at a later time...
@frankiebiggz no need. It was a little cutthroat for the second half. They had those two years of training and were being ranked by talent, and then suddenly, they sprung it on the girls that to determine the final group they would have to participate in an elimination competition tv show based on votes from the public. So, many of the top ranked girls by the experts who were in group A suddenly found themselves at the bottom ranking or even eliminated. It was a bit cruel after all their hard work. One of the top girls chosen by the experts and the public was so unnerved about how they also tried to turn the girls against each other for ratings just walked off the show. She probably would have been in the final group. It was nothing like AYS as far as being a feel-good show. I was a little sad that hybe, Bang PD, and Son (BTS choreographer and dance trainer from their beginning) were involved. But it was a collaboration with Geffen records.
@@LalaH-23 Was it the girl from Texas? Spill the tea... lol...
@frankiebiggz nope. It was lexie from Sweden. She was one of bang pd's favorites as well. Was the girl from Texas the blonde who was the best dancer? I forgot her name. Was it Emily? She didn't make it either. From top four to the bottom tier after public voting. The same thing happened with the girl from Slovakia. Top 4 and then dropped to last.
Wow you're killing me, Lexie was my favorite along with that girl from Texas (Can't remember her name) that was the best dancer (the one that injured herself in the beginning)!