Whew, I was worried I would have half the guys you would mention would be my high exposures. As for the Eagles and the tush-push, it is an OL thing. They have practiced and brought in some people to train it for 2 years. And the 1-yard carry thing only matters if Saquan gets stopped on the 1 yard line (which for whatever reason happened to Swift a bunch). He will have better numbers no doubt. Not sure he warrants an early 2nd round pick, but he should have a good year. If I could bet, i would say that the Brotherly Shove will happen to a slight left behind Mailata and Dickerson if they can. I also am guessing they will have more plays off of fake Brotherly shoves than last year
I agree with most of these but completely disagree on Pickens. Sure neither wilson or fields are great qbs but comparing them to mahomes is an unfair comparison. Try comparing them to Pickett or Rudolph and see what you find. And Diontae and his 140+ targets per year are gone. Even with the far worse qb play last year Pickens went off in the games without diontae last year
At what round in best ball drafts do you stop saying it’s an elite pick slot. Reebs talked about elite picks when talking about Gibbs. What round are the elite pick slots done?
Not anything against this group but trust your own takes… if you lose you will feel good you tried but if you follow someone else and lose u will regret.
He didn’t outplay Jayden Reed, and lots of teams are loaded but if you’re a star, you produce. Keon didn’t. Could end up great but he’s gotta get a lot better
I disagree with the dj Moore take . Just from a real life nfl skill take he’s a top 10 WR probably so you get to bet on talent and a guy starting on an emerging offense
Give me Shakir at his ADP over Coleman every time. Coleman is slow and can’t separate. Kincaid and Shakir will lead the team in targets and receptions. Samuel could be up there too. Not expecting much of anything from Coleman. He’s way overvalued. 15-20 spots before JSN. No thanks. Ladd/B Thomas are overvalued too. And I wouldn’t be so sure the bills will throw “100x more per game” than the Chargers. When they switch OC’s, they started running the ball a lot more.
Good content, I love to hear why people don’t like certain players and why. . Shocked JT isn’t on anyone’s list. Rd 2 Rb always injured , now a running Qb to vulture and a platoon. No way
Literally the only player I disagree with is Flowers, always in on a second year guy coming off a good rookie year. Gonna be underweight everyone else you called out.
Great talk. Agree with most. I will say that pittman had 2 games with a rich.. had 12 targ and 8 for 97 and 1 td.. in one game.. can't say that will be a weekly output but would be foolish to say it's not a possible outcome with any certainty. Only 1 game but still. I think his adp is fine .. he has upside as a target hog
Part if the reason that Hurts got so many carries from the 1 yard line is because Swift sucked. Swift had 14 carries inside the 5 yard line and only had 4 TDs.
These guys have access to all the stats and don't agree. People make your own decisions for these lotto tickets. I am being pushed into starting a podcast for the people.
The Rachaad White takes had me questioning whether or not you guys actually watch ball. Was he horribly inefficient as a rusher? Absolutely he was. However, he was an elite target out of the backfield. He was 2nd only to Christian McCaffrey in basically every major receiving metric for RBs and he led the NFL in forced missed tackles after a reception. To say that he was horrible at the game of football last year is heinously inaccurate.
@@SpikeWeek I did say that. However I did not say "this guy did not play well and could lose work to Bucky Irving" or "for the 2nd year in a row Rachaad White was terrible at the game of football and could lose receiving snaps to Bucky Irving" as Gretch and Daigle did. Erik essentially did as well. Both of which are preposterous claims. He was the half PPR RB 13 last year primarily because of his elite level of skill in the passing game and his ability to make people miss in space. The Bucs also significantly improved their interior O-line with the addition of Graham Barton at Center which bodes well for him as rusher. And with a McVay tree OC in Liam Coen, there's zero reason to think the offense is going to drop off or that White won't again see a ton of volume.
@@hanspennyloaf335 he did not play well at a very important aspect of playing running back. Because of that they drafted Bucky, and he absolutely could lose touches to him.
@@SpikeWeek Well no, they drafted Bucky Irving to compete with Chase Edmonds and Sean Tucker for the RB2 spot after the lump of coal that is Ke'Shawn Vaughn (an actually bad RB) was finally cut. Bucky Irving will be a spell back on early downs and nothing more. There is virtually zero chance White loses any pass reps or goal line work to him.
Also worth mentioning that White did have 6 games where he was efficient on the ground as well and had 4.1 ypc or more, with his high water mark being 6.7 ypc against the colts. He is a still a young developing player.
@@SpikeWeek For me at cost it is keenan allen or oduze dj moore at his cost no way no how. DJ moore vs seahwks elite cb (assumimg both are healthy outdoors nah not for me). I full faded dj moore every year at cost and will continue to do so. The 1 bear I tend to take is either herbert or rochon as a fade against swift.
You’re Gibbs take in bad. The dj moore take is extremely bad. Keenan Allen earned more targets because he has better qb play And he’s not an X receiver.
I don’t think the DJ Moore take is bad at all. He’s playing with a rookie QB, in a stacked WR room, with an OC that wants to run the ball a ton. And the second half of the season will be cold ass weather. He’s definitely not scoring what he did last year.
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i thought gretch and erik were the same guy for years
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Awesome content. Can't wait til someone writes the article on how the fantasy industry absconded with and bastardized the concept of "archetype".
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Whew, I was worried I would have half the guys you would mention would be my high exposures. As for the Eagles and the tush-push, it is an OL thing. They have practiced and brought in some people to train it for 2 years. And the 1-yard carry thing only matters if Saquan gets stopped on the 1 yard line (which for whatever reason happened to Swift a bunch). He will have better numbers no doubt. Not sure he warrants an early 2nd round pick, but he should have a good year.
If I could bet, i would say that the Brotherly Shove will happen to a slight left behind Mailata and Dickerson if they can. I also am guessing they will have more plays off of fake Brotherly shoves than last year
Love it
I agree with most of these but completely disagree on Pickens. Sure neither wilson or fields are great qbs but comparing them to mahomes is an unfair comparison. Try comparing them to Pickett or Rudolph and see what you find. And Diontae and his 140+ targets per year are gone. Even with the far worse qb play last year Pickens went off in the games without diontae last year
Totally fair!
At what round in best ball drafts do you stop saying it’s an elite pick slot. Reebs talked about elite picks when talking about Gibbs. What round are the elite pick slots done?
that's a very good question. somewhere in the first couple rounds for sure.
Not anything against this group but trust your own takes… if you lose you will feel good you tried but if you follow someone else and lose u will regret.
Agreed!
Keon Coleman outplayed MSU in college and FSU was loaded even Trey Benson was platoon so I think you can’t draft Josh Allen without Coleman to stack
He didn’t outplay Jayden Reed, and lots of teams are loaded but if you’re a star, you produce. Keon didn’t. Could end up great but he’s gotta get a lot better
look at this crew - avengers, assemble.
lol love that!
I'm taking Henry as anchor this year. I don't mind it
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I disagree with the dj Moore take . Just from a real life nfl skill take he’s a top 10 WR probably so you get to bet on talent and a guy starting on an emerging offense
Totally fair!
Give me Shakir at his ADP over Coleman every time. Coleman is slow and can’t separate. Kincaid and Shakir will lead the team in targets and receptions. Samuel could be up there too. Not expecting much of anything from Coleman. He’s way overvalued. 15-20 spots before JSN. No thanks. Ladd/B Thomas are overvalued too.
And I wouldn’t be so sure the bills will throw “100x more per game” than the Chargers. When they switch OC’s, they started running the ball a lot more.
(You’re speaking Erik’s language)
Good content, I love to hear why people don’t like certain players and why. . Shocked JT isn’t on anyone’s list. Rd 2 Rb always injured , now a running Qb to vulture and a platoon. No way
We tried not to only list all the expensive running backs 🤣
All my fav dudes in one pod 🏉🏈🏉🏈
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Sounds like a porn that I do not want to see HEEEYOHHH😂
Literally the only player I disagree with is Flowers, always in on a second year guy coming off a good rookie year. Gonna be underweight everyone else you called out.
Fair!
Daigle we gotta fix your mic! Super high screech whenever you talk....tough to listen on audio
Interesting I’m not hearing that, will test it out
This is such a helpful podcast would love more like this. So much of fantasy is about who you end up not drafting
We got more coming!
I'm underweight on every player listed here except Pittman and Zay Flowers
lets go!
Gonna go out on a limb here and say Gretch’s bad player is Brian Thomas Jr.
Haha we all have them!
I can tell you one person who wont be winning any money this year and thats john daigle.
Guess we will see!
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ty for this. im sick of hearing about who every one likes.
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Thanks your bashing of some of these guys have allowed me to scoop them way past adp.
You are very welcome
They have that much power??? No way lol
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Great talk. Agree with most. I will say that pittman had 2 games with a rich.. had 12 targ and 8 for 97 and 1 td.. in one game.. can't say that will be a weekly output but would be foolish to say it's not a possible outcome with any certainty. Only 1 game but still. I think his adp is fine .. he has upside as a target hog
It’s definitely a possible outcome for sure!
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@@SpikeWeek I love it! Still listening again!
Part if the reason that Hurts got so many carries from the 1 yard line is because Swift sucked. Swift had 14 carries inside the 5 yard line and only had 4 TDs.
Definitely part of it! And some variance
These guys have access to all the stats and don't agree.
People make your own decisions for these lotto tickets. I am being pushed into starting a podcast for the people.
Good luck with your podcast!
The Rachaad White takes had me questioning whether or not you guys actually watch ball.
Was he horribly inefficient as a rusher? Absolutely he was.
However, he was an elite target out of the backfield. He was 2nd only to Christian McCaffrey in basically every major receiving metric for RBs and he led the NFL in forced missed tackles after a reception.
To say that he was horrible at the game of football last year is heinously inaccurate.
He was horribly inefficient as a runner. That was the point, and you just said it yourself haha.
@@SpikeWeek I did say that. However I did not say "this guy did not play well and could lose work to Bucky Irving" or "for the 2nd year in a row Rachaad White was terrible at the game of football and could lose receiving snaps to Bucky Irving" as Gretch and Daigle did. Erik essentially did as well.
Both of which are preposterous claims. He was the half PPR RB 13 last year primarily because of his elite level of skill in the passing game and his ability to make people miss in space. The Bucs also significantly improved their interior O-line with the addition of Graham Barton at Center which bodes well for him as rusher.
And with a McVay tree OC in Liam Coen, there's zero reason to think the offense is going to drop off or that White won't again see a ton of volume.
@@hanspennyloaf335 he did not play well at a very important aspect of playing running back. Because of that they drafted Bucky, and he absolutely could lose touches to him.
@@SpikeWeek Well no, they drafted Bucky Irving to compete with Chase Edmonds and Sean Tucker for the RB2 spot after the lump of coal that is Ke'Shawn Vaughn (an actually bad RB) was finally cut.
Bucky Irving will be a spell back on early downs and nothing more. There is virtually zero chance White loses any pass reps or goal line work to him.
Also worth mentioning that White did have 6 games where he was efficient on the ground as well and had 4.1 ypc or more, with his high water mark being 6.7 ypc against the colts. He is a still a young developing player.
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I see the dowdle point but who is getting the carries? high on zeke at adp?
Zeke & Dowdle probably split with a bit more high value touches to Zeke, assuming they don’t add anyone
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Did I miss something? I thought Gibbs was going 1/2 round earlier than Achane, not 2 rounds earlier…
Yea it’s about 1 round difference. Achane is falling though.
Gibbs is going round 1 and achane is going round 3. That's 2 rounds. What's there to miss?
@@Nerve18 yea it's fair feedback but close enough that the point remains
I do not see how dj moore keenan allen and oduze are all hits at their adp. Same thing with nico diggs and dell.
For sure! All of them won’t, but you’re not drafting them all together. You’re drafting one who could be the best of the 3 while the others disappoint
@@SpikeWeek For me at cost it is keenan allen or oduze dj moore at his cost no way no how. DJ moore vs seahwks elite cb (assumimg both are healthy outdoors nah not for me). I full faded dj moore every year at cost and will continue to do so. The 1 bear I tend to take is either herbert or rochon as a fade against swift.
@@cobrakaiisback4709 def no problem preferring the cheaper guys
You’re Gibbs take in bad. The dj moore take is extremely bad. Keenan Allen earned more targets because he has better qb play And he’s not an X receiver.
Appreciate the feedback
Is Kennen not going to be an X receiver again?
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I don’t think the DJ Moore take is bad at all. He’s playing with a rookie QB, in a stacked WR room, with an OC that wants to run the ball a ton. And the second half of the season will be cold ass weather. He’s definitely not scoring what he did last year.
@@KFBALL247 totally fair!