The Hidden Mysteries Buried Under A Grand Essex Mansion | Time Team | Timeline
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2020
- Property magnate Paul Whight is so keen to know everything he can about the history of his home that he's rashly invited Tony and the team in to do their worst.
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I am a direct descendant of Robert de Vere, 19th of Earl of Oxford. His lineage took on the name Oxford. My paternal grandmother’s maiden name was Oxford. I traced her lineage all the way back to Robert and Beatrice.
I am also supposedly related to De Weres.
@@Calucifer13 Hello, very distant cousin.
De Vere was not Shakespeare. For one thing, he was a thoroughly nasty person who killed a man at seventeen. Also, his poetry sucked. He accused his teenaged bride of cuckolding him, while Shakespeare married an older woman at 18 because he'd gotten her pregnant. De Vere died before Shakespeare, so where did the layer plays come from? Beyond the grave?
How exciting
So that would mean you are my very distant cousin. My line goes back to my 28th great grandfather Aubrey the first. Nice to meet you Cousin 😊
Found this site by accident looking for something else. Now I've forgotten what it was I sought because I've been transfixed and totally engaged in your work. You and your team make the dirt and bones come alive for me. I only wish I'd been one of you but at 74 my knees, back, and hips couldn't bear the strain. Thank you for giving me such satisfaction. The smart beautiful girls are a blessing, too.
Just use the digger
In case you are unaware ruclips.net/p/PLVlGgp-kfHkBG2S9-4jtLWtJMxB77bIeQ
The history that England has is so amazing and Tony’s excitement while he delivers the story just brings everything together. I’m totally addicted to watching these lol
Agree!
Thank you for treating the Shakespeare authorship question with the respect it deserves! Edward deVere's cousin reported that he was buried in Westminster Abbey.
And Alexander Waugh's decryption of the Title and Dedication pages of SHAKESPEARES SONNETS exactly locates Edward de Vere's burial site directly beneath the 1740 Shakespeare statue in Poet's Corner at Westminster.
@@patricktilton5377But does it explain how deVere died twelve years before Shakespeare, who wrote 14 more plays after DeVere's death?
I live in California. We get excited when we unearth a bottle from 100 years ago.
be careful digging... half of this state is an old indian burial ground. totally haunted!
Geraldo Rivera spent an hour uncovering a 50 year old bottle out of Al Capones safe. A ratings suicide that was later replaced by Rachel Maddows unearthing of Donald Trumps taxes.
@@coeruleo
Geez. Seems like everywhere was an ancient indian burial ground at one time. Where did the indians sleep?
Right?? Someone wanted to remodel their house in my town and people were up in arms about defacing historic buildings... It was built 80 years ago lol
@Eric Wellman
The house I was raised in was built 15 years before me. If someone that bought it wanted it leveled to put up a circus house for runaway midgets, thats their choice reguardless how old it is. If it was that important to others that it remained in tact, they should have bought it first.
Thats America. The people that bought the house I grew up in did a number on it. If I had the money to buy what it cost, I would have. But I didnt, so my tears go elsewhere.
Love the banter of the team and the research, they really are considerate of the places they dig up.
That triptych window is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
Where have u been?
Look up Glasgow cathedral as well as Phil's hometown Salisbury cathedral. Mind boggling Windows to say the least. As a Glass blower thinking about the effort to make the sheet glass alone not even counting the insane level of stone work. Just amazing buildings all around
Can’t name a better duo than Phil and Ian.
Can't decide if I love Phil or Tony more...they're so funny and interesting. Would love to spend time with them just listening to them.
Phil. The answer is always Phil.
@@69canarycamaro8Most definitely always Phil!
Definitely Phil. He's so down to earth, so straight forward, and so knowledgeable.
DeVere’s father died when he was quite young, forcing him to be brought up by Cecil as a ward of the Crown. When he gained his maturity at 21 he was already in massive debt to pay off his wardship... but he was also given a 1000 pound annual annuity by the Queen, which was a massive sum (equivalent to about $1 million annually), so he didn’t really have money problems
Except that he did. His sponsorship of writers at Fishers Folley ended when he ran out of money. He had to sell properties as that ended. Not until his second wife fixed his finances that he was ever stable.
The annuity of 1000 pounds annual (about $300,000 in 2022 dollars) was not granted until 1586 two years before the Spanish Armada. Edward was 36 years old. Was he hired to write propaganda for the regime? Perhaps. The plays of Shakespeare definitely favor the Lancastrians in the War of the Roses. It’s easy to remember because of how Shakespeare portrayed Richard III, the last York King.
to watch time team during a pandemic lockdown is the best!!
Tony is a national treasure!
The new Time Team is a pale incarnate of the original. Brilliant mix of science, detective work, lots of sweat with a huge amount of humor. The kind of blokes you could share a few hours and a few pints.
Does anyone else remember the mock ad for the Edward DeVere, Earl of Oxford action figure? I think it was a Monty Python. Hilarious.
Incredible history and amazing Brits!
I've been watching Time Team episodes for several days now and I must say, I absolutely love them 🥺🥺🥺🥺 Makes me wanna be an archaeologist even though I'm 25 and studied art in uni.
At 25, it's hardly to late to change direction. Also, an art degree could certainly be useful as an archeologist.
@@DanielKlingJust what I was about to say.
That shirt of Phils has street cred!
My goodness the history is so breathtaking. The part where they showed the burial chamber looked like one of the Tarot cards (4 of Swords!).
I wish they had more than 3 days❗️
Mick is my favorite!! Guys not afraid of color, nice to see something that's not charcoal grey. He looks like an old school CA hippy.
Mick has died but he and Phil were a joy together!
you guys are the reason i just changed my college major to history🥳
Great series! Interesting episode! Now...Does anyone know the type of little red sports car the current owner was driving?
A great episode in a great series! It would be nice to have an epilogue about the human remains: Carbon 14, DNA, and isotope analysis.
Yes, DNA taken from some of those bright looking teeth would be a good way to identify the DeVere line.
With this and all buried sites, I always wonder how large structures disappear so quickly.
Perhaps it’s a real-time metaphor for the temporary nature of our lives and monuments.
People tore them down and reused the materials for new buildings.
@@Jeffhowardmeade Yeah. While they were examining the building to determine its age, they said that many of the materials were reused to build a new manor house
Phil just makes me happy when he's on screen. I wanna see him have a long conversation with Irving Finkle.
Hearing the theme music makes me happy.
@@MTW1108 I was just thinking the same thing listening to the intro
Thank you for another great video
Absolutely love Phil, yay from Canada, 🇨🇦🐘💕
Amazing how you can show us things so up to date
I'm fascinated by English history.. 🤣🤣😎🇺🇸
The flag is amer8can
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Me too! 👍🇨🇦☘️
There is so much of it!
Fascinated always...scared to death fairly often.
always happy to look at phil.
A bunch of tunnels leading to city centers many older mansion across Britain have them .. I stayed in admiral Nelson's mansion as a kid they have hidden tunnels under the bathroom
That's called a "sewer".
Yes, it was to escape quickly in case of danger or rebellion.
They're in the Georgian houses in Dublin City
Thanks! Great show 👍
Aubrey de Vere, I, Sheriff of Berkshire is my 25th great grandfather. He founded Colne Priory.
What year? Thanks.
My 28th great grandfather father! Nice to meet you cousin
Love time team. It’s a great end to my busy days. They should do off shoots from this programme as there are so many experts on really interesting subjects . Example the stone mason on this programme, she has a lovely voice and is so interesting
Thank you Sir Baldrick.
Excellent episode from Timeteam, very enjoyable. I like the way they explored the different layers of building. The title's wrong though. The de Veres were earls of Oxford, not earls of Essex
Pretty sure that they are referring to the current property owner, who is the current earl of essex, with the title
@@anna-lisalysell5077 glad you cleared that up because I recognized the portrait as Oxford.
He says the portrait is Oxford
@@anna-lisalysell5077 he's just rich and in Essex, not an earl
Sounds French
I've always thought the foofarah about who wrote Shakespeare's plays was kind of silly. Some of the Francis Bacon stuff is downright 🦇💩 crazy.
Great episode! 👍😄🇨🇦☘️
Phil can't wear a torn shirt, but he can have long nails and wild hair 😂😂 The logic with that shirt is there though.
Our Phil is a musician as well, guitarist and very accomplished as well, hence long fingernails on the right hand.
Thank you.
wonder how much work goes into each episode BEFORE the 3 day dig? and what happens after 3 days? is everything just closed up again or are local archeologists carrying on digging?but what i like most, at the end of a day they are not afraid to have a drink or two. and also filming it.
Can you inmagine what would've been left if Edward 17th de Vere would've been slightly more careful with his possessions?
There are no portraits from Shakespeare's lifetime to compare with that of DeVere
Love this, please tell me everything was not reburied after only 3 days.
I've watched so many Timeline episodes and always wondered if the production left the areas all dug up or did they repair/restore those sites after their 3 days if digging.
They've said on other shows that they tidy up after themselves.
Hah! Nice Frogeye'd Sprite! I just happen to have one of these cute little gems in my stable! Very fun car indeed!
Triumph?
Let's be fair about Fast Eddie's money. Most of it was misappropriated by William Cecil while De Vere was his child ward.
Not even close. He continued to sell off ancestral estates throughout his 20s and early 30s to support his lavish lifestyle until finally he ran out of them.
I didn't find this on Time-Team Classic, great to find it here.
were going to use this really expensive thing to recreate a tomb... yeah then will show a picture of it for about 1second at the end! sounds great!
I love history! All history. But I do find myself fascinated with English History!
This is amazing for me to watch..i am a related to edward the "secret shakespeare"
😂 I was wondering about the flamingo... But that question got answered quickly.
I love history whatever's country or civilization ❤🇵🇰
Was this the same de Vere family that is mentioned so often in Oxford history?
Aubrey de Vere was my 20th great grandfather.
I bet you gotta bone to pick with him...hehe!!
Wasn't he originally from Belgium (Netherlands then)?
@@jacquelinevanderkooij4301 I don't know. It makes sense though.
W0W awesome
Technically...de Vere...is likely, everyones...20th something grandfather. Eventually...your gonna run into...everyone.
It makes me uncomfortable seeing them disturbing all these resting places
Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki’s Vessel They just said it made them feel uncomfortable which seems reasonable. You make a good point but your delivery is of a close-minded absolutist.
People don't stay buried forever in Europe anyway. Haven't you seen all the catacombs and ossuaries where the store the bones they've dug up? That's because burial land is at a premium.
Soooo...... don’t watch!
I watched this yesterday and today found Aubrey de Vere in my family tree! Love being able to learn about ancestors.
Now there's acoincidence! If you watch a doc about Attila the Hun I am sure you will find he is related too! Tutankhamen? Catherine the Great? Anyone as long as they were 'royal'or historic,eh? Funny how Americansare all related to nobles, (some who were childless) yet us Brits are all humble serfs! Someone must be making a fortune
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 u don't think people in these families ventured to the new world ?? Is it that big of a leap that any American can be related to someone of noble birth ?? For me geneology is a way of finding where ur family came from and why can't anyone have pride in knowing that ??
Neat! That means you're related to a friend and former boyfriend of mine. I don't remember the specifics with any certainty at this point, but his de Vere branch emigrated to Canada when the Roundheads took over. The main branch stuck around and saw William II get the crown back, but the estates and title eventually went with a daughter who married into the Lindsey family.
Of course, you have to make sure the ancestry site you use is giving you accurate information and isn't the equivalent of the "look up your family's coat of arms" people, but it's entirely possible that you really are descended from the de Veres. Nobility immigrated to America, both when we were colonies (usually younger sons and lesser nobility keeping an eye on their investments, though some came here after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes) and during later political upsets like during the French Revolution and the English Civil War. Like the British, most of us have mixed ancestry, and it's easier to trace your noble ancestors back beyond a couple generations than your peasant ones, because the royals and nobles had more thorough genealogical records. And the further you go back in history, the greater the chances that you'll find a person you're descended from, whether you know it or not, because there have been more generations of their descendants marrying and/or having a bit on the side. I'm not sure if I believe it, but I've read that there's a high probability that most people of European descent are descended from Charlemagne, either legitimately, illegitimately, or both.
I like Mick’s colorful sweater
Phil turning up with a torn shirt was kinda him saying... “I’m here for the archaeology and my wardrobe has nothing to do with it”… not sure for his reasoning behind it 😂…but he is a bit of a rebel and a great field archaeologist…so that mild anarchy makes him more enduring to me..
There are no portraits of Shakespeare from when he was alive. That one was based on a print in on of the early printed editions.
Very shoddy research here. It puts a shadow over the research in the rest of the program. I love this series, and all the people involved, so this one slip in the research depresses me.
The mansion belonged to the Earls of OXFORD, not the Earls of ESSEX, as implied in the title.
Thank you!!! I thought I was losing my mind!
Connie Beane Tony does state that it was the home of the DeVeres Earls of Oxford,
Margaret Lovelock I believe she’s referring to the title
I was SO confused I thought they meant Devereux the first Earl of Essex
Yup! (I like to believe 17 was the real Shakespeare. His biography is suuuuper compelling)
Yes a Tony doc!
You tell them Phil get one more wear out of that shirt, then forget about the rip-----wash rinse repeat.
david koenig 🤣👌
I prefer that shirt to those daisy dukes he dons from time to time.
@@softshoes this ain't no fashion catwalk, our Phil has got a good set of pins.
Phil is very practical, why throw away a good shirt just because of a rip in the front? Wear a jersey over it and who knows the rip is there!
The guy would be handsome if he would just cut his hair and get a makeover
When we were students at Oxford we unearthed quite a few deVere artifacts using metal detectors and chance and a lot of night digging.
Nothing like a little grave robbing, eh mate?
@@Mrch33ky no mention of graves, it's quite possible to dig up burried buildings.
nonsense
Did anyone check to see if maybe he kept a diary that had info? I know its been a while. But someone of that stature might have kept that sort of thing well preserved.
@@Mrch33ky
Gotta wonder why his wifes head was in pieces.
Where ever Jimmy from geophys ended up I hope he used drones now lol
The ripped shirt😂😂😂😂 my man and son would love y'all 🤣
Kudos for not scoffing at the Oxfordian POV on the authorship question. True believer here - it’s just so obvious De Vere wrote the sonnets and plays and much more.
21:49 What an elegant, refined profile.
Hey, it's the guy from the Edwardian videos!
surprisingly I have the same the big oxford shirt from gap the man wearing ripped one.
When I did a DNA test and starting putting together my family tree my interest in world history changed in a whole new way! I LOVE this show because you guys are talking about pieces of ALL of us! 😍🇺🇲
May I ask, why the 3 day time limit? Wouldn't it behoove all involved to follow up and complete a totally thorough investigation?
because they have all have actual day jobs and they're doing this on weekends
Some of the dig sites are on private land and I think the owners will be more willing to give consent to a 3-day dig rather than a week or more. Also they have a budget for each episode - more days of digging/filming, the higher the cost
This is (self-evidently) a TV programme; a TV company pays to have it made. And it is unwilling to pay for a 6-month, or even a 2-week excavation. 3 days is the limit
Work shirt,perfect ending, i do that all the time
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All the time, work and money invested by these people to provide a beautiful place to rest forever and now it sits in ruins and under dirt. This reaffirms my personal belief that we do not need a fancy burial, cremation is more practical. Any monument in our honor will eventually be gone anyway!
Can't believe Phil's shirt gets more attention than Mary-Ann's. BTW, love the video's content.
The 17th Earl of Oxford, Edward DeVere, is buried in Westminster Abbey under the monument dedicated to Shakespeare.
No, he isn't. That's a load of bee ess.
Would be wonderful to use the scan results and make a 3D printed replica of it!
Love these men! They have such a sense of humor and are so ornery.
Not the Earl of Essex, the Earl of Oxford (in reference to Edward DeVere).
Yeah, they are saying Oxford in the vid, not Essex. Its just the title, thats wrong.
That may well be, but they keep saying Essex.
@@dfuher968 The Earl of Oxford is his title, but the place where they are is in Essex.
It'd be amazing to see a complete excavation on one of the sites. I'm always left wanting to see more.
I like the show.
I liked Sue Perkins when she seen this picture of De Vere, and her 'There is lot going on here' comment.
Edwards's cousin Sir Frances Vere - awesome story with him - helped get all the property back to the Earldom. Check out his life and burial.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Vere
Perhaps the Earl of Oxford is NOT in St. Augustine's Church, Hackney, as claimed on this Time Team programme. According to his cousin Percival Golding as mentioned in Wikipedia, "On 18 June 1604, Oxford granted the custody of the Forest of Essex to his son-in-law Lord Norris and his cousin, Sir Francis Vere.[171] He died six days later, of unknown causes, at King's Place, Hackney, and was buried on 6 July in the parish church of St. Augustine.[172] In spite of his bouts of ill health, he left no will.[173] Elizabeth's will requested that she be buried with her husband at Hackney.[174] Although this document and the parish registers confirm Oxford's burial there, his cousin Percival Golding later claimed that his body was interred at Westminster.[175]"
Yet Westminster has no record of it.
Interesting
Shakespeare is my ancestor. I am very much enjoying this episode.
Yeah right, and I'm the Grand Duchess Anastasia of Russia. You know, the one the Commies didn't kill.
@@Frankowillo Would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?
All of William Shakespeare’s grandchildren died without children so there is no possibility of any legitimate descendants from Shakespeare’s line.
It is possible, however, to claim a relationship to Shakespeare through his sister, Joan.
what IS the point of throwing away a clean shirt though??!
cutting off your nose to spite your face i would assume
@@elizabethjansen2684' koi Z ZZ z¹2
Children forgetting clothes at schools, after sporting, and the parents couldn't care less. Lost and found, and never collected, worth a fortune, each year again. What's the point? It is only NEW clothes that matter.
Dont forget to keep the buttons!!
Phil is "Champing at the bit" not "Chomping at the bit" :)
You tell em Tosh!!! 🤣😂😂
Paul whight of Cadena real estate company...amazing.
4:46
- I love me some Pirate Phil Harding.
History is at the core of the English personality.. and bubble and squeak
What happens to all the trenches and the artifacts, after the 3 days of filming?
I could be wrong but I believe they might be left open in case the people they dig for or any other archeologists who want to continue searching for more items are able to do so
That's a good question. I assume they backfill everything to where it was when they started.
I think they keep digging and then cover it up. Filming is only three days
Are there lintils missing or fallen off at Stonhenge or was it originally built that way?
I think it is impossible to find the remains of Edward de Vere in the ruins of his manor since, according to Graves Memorial Records, he is buried at St. John-at- Hackney Churchyard in Hackney
And the grave of Hamlet would be just an impossible find.
He’s buried in Ammelhede, Jutland, Denmark.
@@margarethoskins6625 And yet his wife asked to be buried near him in Hackney when she died in 1612. In going to take her word over a distant relative many years later.
@@margarethoskins6625 - Shakespeare was written by Shakespeare. There is a ton of evidence, not a conspiracy theory that cropped up hundreds of years later. Part of the fiction is that Edward Devere was the son of Queen Elizabeth and later, the lover of the Queen Elizabeth. Do you believe that, too?
The One with Phil's Ripped Shirt :D
Drop the opening infomercial.
This a very good episode. It makes me sad that there was bad blood among the on air talent.
@Scumfuck McDoucheface towards the end of the show the ratings started slipping, essentially losing half it's viewership each season during the final four seasons. This caused some of the production staff, who had been largely hands off through the 'boom' phase of the early years, to start acting unilateraly to 'save' the show. So he's talking about Mick not being happy about Tony and the production staff's desire to start shifting focus away from the digs, finds and archeology/archeologists and more onto the 'side tasks' between the younger, ready-made presenters Mary and Alex, interviews with the land-owners, and their growing reliance on featuring 3-d models into every episode.
Though he wasn't a producer (i.e. the $$), Mick was essentially the driving force behind the show's creation and style. It was Mick who convinced Tony that the show could work.
So Mick got pretty miffed when, after 9 years, the production staff just started making 'radical' style changes to the show, without even consulting him (he was the archaeological consultant, meaning he chose the sites, the focus within those sites, the specialists, team members, etc. i.e. Mick heavily influenced the show), and he eventually left the show because of it. They filmed one season without Mick and following the new format, and the show was cancelled.
@@maxdecphoenix This was such an informative show. Mick was THE MAN! They shouldn’t have messed with Micks creation. History buffs mostly don’t wanna watch eye candy doing crafts.
@@r.c.miller6161 yes and no. Mick was right, under the first couple years, the show he envisioned worked. But then it stopped attracting the new viewers and couldn't retain the core audience.
After almost a decade of control, Mick didn't want to change ANYTHING. To a t.v. producer, that is insanity. No one wants to pay money to put a show on t.v. they know they're going to lose money on. And they had a point, many marriages don't even last 10 years without getting stale, much less a t.v. show. So they just started making the changes they wanted. The issue was the changes they tried didn't enhance the core feature of the show, the digs and diggers.
I think the show had run it's course, and no one wanted to accept that and just bow out on a high note. And so it ended with hurt feels and a bad taste.
I wanted to see what kind of Group C (I wouldn't think a GTP would end up in Essex) car that was in the background.
DeVere - Earl of Oxford
Devereaux - Earl of Essex
Some of the earls were of Essex from marriage from what i understood in reading. You can actually look that up
I wonder how the owner recognized the tombs on exhibition as once parts of his dining room
Because of the photos taken while the tombs were still part of the dining room. The clue was in the three steps in the dining room which were visible in the photograph and still in the dining room after the tombs were removed. That was explained in the video and the photos shown. That room where the tombs were was probably not intended to be used as a dining room when the tombs were placed there.
My grandma from Essex. Where all my family buried an my grandma.
heh, Jackie: "We've got an old boy here."