A few things being misunderstood here. Sorry if I didn’t explain myself better!: I’m not complaining that I’m behind other players! I’m obviously gonna be a bit behind when I have limited time to play, and I have no issue with that. My point was that many new players (and friends I’ve tried getting into the game) will feel discouraged by how far behind they are and not want to get into it, which is a stance I can totally understand. I feel like getting the classes out sooner would help those people who are really only interested in a few specific classes, since they’ll only be getting further and further behind the general playerbase by the time their character drops and they’ll be even more likely to drop the game. There’s also the issue of hoping to bring in brand new players further down the line when even now, months into release, tier 1 and tier 2 content are practically ghost towns. I have to search for a very long time to get into any early content with the bard I’m leveling, and this problem is only gonna get worse. I don’t really have a solution to this issue, and I definitely don’t think brand new players should just be thrust into the end-game where they’ll likely get wrecked by all of the content there. This is mostly just a problem MMOs have in general with bringing in fresh faces years into their lifespan. I also don’t think AGS/Smilegate should stop putting out end-game content or anything like that, just that purposefully slowing the release of classes that are already finished is something that I think does more harm than good for the playerbase. Feel free to disagree, these are just my opinions!
I believe that these issues are mitigated by the constant influx of catch up mechanics like the express pass, ark pass, and power pass. They are constantly giving us tools to have our alts or new mains geared up. Not getting a new class each month is kind of disappointing, but we'll have plenty of opportunities to have those new classes catch up when they come out.
I am 110% with you on the problems Lost Ark has with new player retention and especially their experience. And the way Korea does it by just letting new players dive into the deep end with a 1400+ character within 5 minutes of opening the game seems a suspect way to retaining them here in the west, and especially as the game is still young.
Just wanted to point out that when glaiver came out we were given 1) Feiton powerpass 2)Story express. if you used that on the same character you wasted that. So technically they gave us two boost.
+1 this, everyone seems to forget we got 2 passes in May. You just had to use the Story Express on a character (used it on my Gunslinger since I wanted her over the Glaivier), she's 1340 now. And have a warrior (Destroyer) now at 1370GS since yesterday. I used the powerpass on him as he was sitting at Trixion, waiting for the Destro launch. It wasn't a big deal, just the "supposed time" of the tickets were a mess to understand.
While that's true, they've been consistenly doing a very poor job at making the conditions for the use of those features clear to the playerbase. I basically "lost" my Feiton power pass, because I redeemed it immediatly upon receiving it and then was forced to use it within 7 days. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind having an extra T3 character. The problem is that I meant to save that power pass for Destroyer and the consequence was that I didn't even bother to create one now. So yeah, you're not wrong that they've technically given us 2 boosts, but considering the way they've done it, I'd rather not even have had that. I prefer not having free stuff than to be frustrated with the free stuff I'm given.
Nah, for guys that are already up there, you wouldnt like the story express. You still played a lot of stuff. For sure easier but by no means close to a powerpass. What people meed to finally understand is, that the playerbase wants to enjoy diverse content. Treadmills like Chaos Dungeons and to much dailies to swallow is not helping. The problem is easy: You dont get the people up there because they simply dont want to be there..with that I mean: The cm nstant narrative of you gears being replaced over and over and over again and the systems in place allows you not to react on even 1 skill change or your whole build gets shitty. Imagine a metachange on your char that you played for a thousand hours. You can simply argue: Others dont make it easy as well...its achivement....but at the end its another system in place that people dont want to play...so your community gets smaller and smaller. I sound weird to some people, but I honestly think, that a new horizontal progression game with some unique achivents is better than loot treadmills....people will argue this, but imo you need good content, good new content rate or releasing and diversity on many levels: Cosmetics, traits/professions/skilltrees...and that reachable without hoping for RnG or the need to go to the auction house, which is a must in this game. It rewards lucky people to capitalize on unlucky people...that in itself is rediculous. Why cant I farm the mats and do achivents/collections and simply build the char how I want. Why do I need to be lucky....so lucky in fact, that you cannot get your engravings working AT ALL. We experimented with it: A player with 1000+ hours by now is unlikely to meet the requirements on engravings with 3x3, 3x3+1x1, let alone 4x3 simply with his drops! It is not possible! Get a proper stone? Get a good quality? Get the right gems? Grind on cards? Get all lvl3-4 tripods? Sorry....but if you dont buy in the AH, you are done and the game isnt working for you. Someone else capitalize on you. Carve a 9-7stone with 1-2 points on debuff?-> good luck dropping the right stone let alone carving it with a 0.01% chance. We see those videos about them and no video about people being poor and not playing the content. I am 1370 as casual with 4 x 1310 alts...and justy one 1370 char is saying, that I achived what only 6% achived? Wow! I know I was eager more than 90%, but I am now also burned out since 2 weeks, with last week not running a single dungeon, raid, etc...just getting login reward and dobsome dailies on all to progress in horizontal stuff. I had no nerve to play anything of that bullocks and after I played the fox guardian, I was entirely fed up playing that shitty guardian for the next few days/weeks? The game prevents me from going further as I need to work on engravings, as I just have a 1x3, 2x1 setup and it is finally time to work the AH, which is the shittiest place to be in in the entire game.
@@Henrii01 And you're absolutely right, the Amazonians Comm is not great, there's no hype behind what they do. Instead of being joyful, the wording always seems like it's either a hassle or "they want to monitor things"... wth!? For example, someone below mentions the story powerpass is a grind of the usual. That's true, but you get soooo much stuff in the final chapter 4 reward pack this is nutts. So much even Koreans are jealous of it. Legendary Selector Card packs, silver, mats, and so on, this thing is really an upgrade and kudos to whoever pushed that reward pack. Sadly, it was under-explained, not to say the least. Yet, even if a frustration, the amount there was to get leaves me speechless on what people were expecting for this game in the end. And I'm a pissed guy that didnt get to play his "main from Russian servers", the Summoner. Had to settle for my 2 other loves, Holy Knight and Destroyer.
I agree 100%, especially your quip about the 20 arcanist players out there. Looking at class popularity in KR, arcanist is damn near the bottom of the list, 17th place. I know a handful of people are gonna try it, then quickly realize, that it's definitely not the class for them. And I'm in that boat, if the class I want isn't out soon, I'll probably take a break till it's announced, yeah, I could stockpile resources, I could do horizontal content, but if you're not enjoying doing it, then you lose interest quickly. They went back on their word, saying we'd get 1 class every month, they should have stuck with that. If they had, we'd have every class in the game by the end of the year, except the aeromancer since it's not even out in KR. Great video, thanks a ton.
I agree the points you’re making regarding the power pass and classes being released as “content” that’s just a bad move, but I feel like these raid bosses coming out as quick as they are at the moment isn’t bad. The bosses aren’t going anywhere and I kinda get it with the FOMO but, it’s a Korean MMO or MMO in general. It’s a marathon not a speed race. As soon people understand that, the more of the stress of speeding towards the next content falls off. And if you DO want to speed race. Then yeah you’re going to play the game like it’s a job and that’s how it is for well everything lol you gotta work at it with whatever you can and it might burn you out. Overall great content you put out👍
100% Agree. The Classes being held back is BS likely for them to make people sink more time and money while they wait. Its a shitty move. As for the raids. Im 1395 on my highest T3 and just failing honing (My Luck is so bad lmao T-T). I dont care that much though since I am slowly making progress without sinking tons of gold. Eventually Ill get to level and people will know the fights a ton better so they dont wipe as much. Working on my 5th T3 atm while slowly upgrading my DB. Scrapper has been a ton of fun getting to T3 so far as well. Peeps just need to enjoy the game and not get FOMO. Korean MMO's have always been extremely grindy (BDO for ex).
I don’t think they should slow down on new content, just mentioning that it can feel very demoralizing to have new content not available, which I think will hurt the plan of bringing in new players. I totally agree with you that this new end-game stuff is great and that it’s not a race, but just wanted to bring up the mindset I’ve seen from a lot of people who I’ve tried getting into Lost Ark. not sure what the solution would be to this, since it’s kind of an MMO thing in general!
@@lowe2182 I mean at this point honestly it just goes back to FOMO. It is in nature of every MMO’s there’s no solution regarding that I can think of; however, all SG/Amazon can do is just keep having these “events” pass out mats like every other game that has “events” like these. Granted T1-T2 are bot city and for majority of people are heading into or already in T3. For newer players it’s going to be either one of two things enjoy the game for what it is even if the earlier parts are most likely empty of real players or leave because of the same reason. You can’t have both, just not realistic to make everyone happy.
@@VoiceInVoid At this point.. they should literally rework the road to T3 and renew the training section to teach people better about engravings, gems, cards, tripods etc... Tier 1 is bot city and Tier 2 is completely dead... because most bots stay in Tier 1 and most players are now in Tier 3. My friend started this game as as soon as he entered Tier 2, he gave up playing the game. Tier 2 right now is the most horrible part of the game besides the totally retarded story grind to 50.
Class releases are content... They come with new events as well. They don't want to just drop every single class without any hype built around them at all either. it's idiotic and ignorant as hell
I should have been excited by the road map and all the new content we’re getting (I’m 1445 so I will be able to experience most of it), but I was immediately soured on the entire thing by the announcement of delaying class releases. I’ve been playing bard patiently waiting for artist to release which I plan to main. And I had accepted the fact that I likely wouldn’t see it until October. But now it’s looking like mid March 2023 or later and I am not at all pleased.
i personally like that they're slowing it downa bit, i feel vykas is honestly a bit early. i hit 1445 on my main and i'm enjoying just logging in every day and not feeling like i have to maximum grind every alt for mats to hone. i play a few characters a day, do a few guardians/chaos dungeons, work on some rapport/food for ignea tokens (working on ignea #10 woo) and call it a day. no pressure, no stress. stacking up mats and pushing all of my alts to 1370-1400 casually. its a good spot, for me personally, to be in. releasing more classes and content fast i end up being stressed and want to do everything on every character every day just to maximize my mats.... with stuff being slower i dont feel bad letting rest bonus add up a bit.
As a fellow artist waiter, the 1 every 2 months was the last straw. I hit 1415 this week and didn't even feel like attempting Valtan before uninstalling. It wasn't a rage uninstall either, it was more about apathy and realizing these devs have very little integrity. Or at best, their marketing team makes sure they don't. Waiting 10 months minimum for the main class I want to play? No thanks, I will move on. The worst part, is that the class is FULLY functional, and they are CHOOSING to withhold it. It's a pity, because the game is fun. I'm disappointed when business practices abuse such a thing, expecting players to be addicted enough to deal with it. Quitting won't be easy, but my reasoning makes it entirely doable; the main issue will be finding a game to at least somewhat replace it.
Firstly they do this because it’s a sensible business decision that makes money. Else why make this game free for you to play? Someone has to pay the bills. Secondly if you can’t find yourself enjoying the game for what it is now, I’m not sure if having Artist arrive right now will change much of that..
@@techtoysgaming 1. Yes it is 100% a business decision. This isn't a secret to anyone. 2. It's F2P but I have spent money; would have spent a chunk more if they didn't do this. 3. I literally said the game is fun. Speaking of being sensible, you should learn to read. 4. As stated above, the game is fun. However, if you don't understand the level of commitment a main takes, then you won't understand why I wanted my 'main' sooner than later. It's not a matter of the game being 'more fun,' it's a matter of being screwed over by greedy (and sensible) business practices. Just because it's good for them, doesn't mean it's good for the players.
If the game is enjoyable for you then why would you quit? Aren't you just upset because you can't play artist? I agree that amazon holding on classes is dumb, but if that's the last straw for you then you honestly should've just quit and play offline games because every online game does this. the difference here is you know what you know. Sometimes ignorance is a blessing.
You're probably one of the only content creators right now who is actually speaking out about how this roadmap is actually bad for the community, and I respect you for that. I'm so tired of this drip feeding bs and trust me many others are as well.
The streamers fan base players put in everyone's head that more is better cuz, you know, being a whale is the real thing or RMT for a 3 day ban it's not a big deal. I mean who really gives a shit about f2p players who did not even get to 1415 right? Bots are nothing compared with the amount outcry this community does every single second about everything. Even if you had the main class, you would've played your class for a bit and then you will be gone. I know at least 6 destroyer/ glavier mains in my guild that bitched over and over about their "unreleased main" that quit in less than a month. Elder ring, everyone and their mother's were playing, couple of weeks later they moved on, under 10k on twitch, same will be with "unreleased main classes". Dopamine chasers, instant gratification, shortcuts this is what gaming is right now. No effort, no patience, no resilience bc time is money yet with the money you cannot buy time.
@@vansitcodarring8855 who fuck those f2p players that is not 1415 yet. i mean they barely play the game ofc smilegate wouldnt count them as "active player". I have a friend that is pure f2p and he got to 1445 first week of valtan release. sounds hard right?
@@gringoboy701 That's wrong bc a content creator cannot stick to a single game anymore unless it's well established or he has a god tier personality and expect to grow and even keep his audience, so what tends to happen is: they hop from game to game which is flavor of the month trying to get as much as possible and after they quit, any drama is basically free clicks bonus. Couple of million players have not make a dent in blizzard's decisions yet a couple thousands are everywhere on socials fueled by negativity they gather from streamers or personal experience that they cannot be at the same level or content as the people they watch.
you realize in korea it takes 6 months or more for classes to come out and if our version was the only version it would be the same or like other games even longer so why are you or anyone upset at 2 month per release if anyone disagrees with that is just wrong and delusional. if you arent ready for raids you 1. spend too much time other other things 2. arent efficient 3. have to be super busy irl. they have given so many mats with ark pass, events, login, challenge guardians, pvp mats, guild mats, daily and weekly stuff, alts. as for not playing cause your “main” (that majority of people havent played on a different version) you’re shooting yourself in the leg
Software Engineer here, I think it's a little disingenuous to assume all ASG/SG needs to do is just translate the content and we are good. It's already known we are running on an older code base of the game and SG is just patching together franken builds to get us our updates. There's nuance to the situation, where people should realize it does take a decent amount of work to integrate new content into an older build. Caveat is that we as the public don't really know the code base, so maybe it would be a simple copy paste to have a new class. Knowing development however, its most likely more complicated then the public realizes. It's sad that we aren't getting a new class a month, but I'm not killing off the game because of it. I feel like it's kind of dumb to be dead set on having a main on a class without having experienced the class first. I can understand for veterans from other servers, but not for complete newbies. I learned this myself when I wanted to "main" Glaivier and started to pump her up over my original main, Deadeye. I eventually found out I enjoy my Deadeye way more then my new "main". People should temper their expectation a little bit and be realistic. Y'all may not love the unreleased class you wanted to main.
@@Silver2909 Loading in assets into their game DB doesn't make them useable or not buggy. It could just be as something simple like skin line X in the current system wasn't built yet for newer classes. Striker and Sorc are newer classes. So just an example of where we could get some issues. Striker and Sorc might have missing skin sets. So to make sure everyone gets a skin they go back in and have to come up with new skins. Also consider the new class that is drawing cards. The asset of the class can be in the game but maybe the function draw_random_card() might require the functionality of custom_random_number() which then might require this new package they installed on the kr servers called "Super random numbers". Now Im not a game dev, but when you have a game thats 80GB or something there is a ton of inner connections that you hope all works together. There are so many different configs and relations that go into a large scale game like this. If you want to feel better about the devs here go read through a few patches of the hot fixes and patches. Each one of those bugs had to be reported, found, then countless hours spent digging through configs and code. To then finally get approval showing that the fix won't break something else.
@@Mushrakun you must not have read the comment. If you "picked your main", without ever playing it, that's dumb. Anyone who decided "their main" was gonna be THE NEWEST CLASS THEY HAVE IN KOREA, they are morons.
Here's the thing that people are missing. Content drought is coming, the content pipeline to catch up to the other versions is not infinite and there will come a point when we'll stop getting meaningful monthly updates and either start getting more minor monthly updates or a decreased cadence of meaningful updates as we get closer to the other versions. Spacing out class releases gives them something exciting to sprinkle in during those droughts. Another thing to consider is the availability of power passes and express events. Do you really want a class every month if it means potentially more than half of them will not have any sort of catch-up event to help players quickly boost them up? Plus, every MMO packages classes as a part of major updates/expansions so treating new classes as "content" is something fairly standard in the MMO industry.
No, f**k it. Release all classes at once with 1 power pass for Punika, and one Express event. What is the hard part? Translating letters? I mean, I make it sound simple, but probably we are playing on a different build than wat KR/RU has, and they are modifying things as much as possible to "better serve a sensitive western audience". All in all, I am at 1403 with enough mats saved to push for 1415, but I'm not going to do it, because I am a DPS with no static group to join, and good fucking luck finding one now. Its kinda pathetic that I can barely grasp my hands around Valtan, 2 weeks after release, and they bring another content edge that can only be done by whales and RMTers. Good fucking lord that's bad feeling.
The Korean version of the game seems to be doing great I don't see the problem in catching up asap. The power pass situation would only apply to people that wanted to play every single new class and even if that was the case yes I would rather boost from t1 than wait 10 months. Lost Ark does have new classes as content but that's not what this is. This is the equivalent of Blizzard releasing classic WoW but removing Paladin, Rogue and Warlock to release later on when they didn't have much content for the month. It's shit to have base classes in the game removed and held hostage for no reason. It's not a moba, characters aren't the games content.
They release Feiton pass and Express missions. So in theory they covered both new classes. Reality is they choose what new classes "we" select and when. I was looking for any streamer actively playing Arcana on the net. Found a so called main Arcana player who happen to be streaming raid and he was playing... a Soulfist. Tells something about the class. They are making 4 month gap to force this class on people. Thats the plan to make this class popular. Make em wait while 1 slot is waiting for another alt that can contribute to hone mats farming for main. Buy new slots when your favourite class comes to NA/EU. When it comes to skins they are doing a sneaky thing yet again, coz when Tier1 and Tier2 armors were looking great on most classes at tier3 we get armors that doesn't look as eye appealing. Oh my, any warrior, after clearing Tier3 chaos dungeon look like colorful pidgeon. My soulfist look like my glavier which is dull green color plus socks and sandals. Glavier from tier2 golden outfit goes to poor looking "I haven't eaten in 3 days" soldier look. Feels so bad. Instead of making skins that look so appealing they just make us want to buy any skin by making top tier armors look bad. Oh wait there was a free skin. Yes they changed world of dungeons and dragons and brutal chivalry into Sesame Street and Barney the Dino.
Well said, video is on point and I can't agree more. I know so many people that can't enjoy the game because they do not wish to play the game w/o their favourite class, not to mention being forced to play alts. Classes should be available as soon as possible, they are vessels after all. Ignore all the haters in the comments and stay true to the community. Cheers!
Staying true to the community doesn't mean this dude didn't just make doomer hot take click bait video. Alts are part of this game - if you feel forced maybe lost ark isn't for you.
To be fair to Warframe, they have improved a lot of the new player experience. The MSQ is more "in the players face" so they know what to do next and the systems of course don't come all at once.
Yep, they’ve been doing good things with it lately, but it took years of the community begging for it to happen. Point being I totally understand them not wanting to dedicate time/money to it when the game mostly has a dedicated playerbase already that wouldn’t benefit much from it.
@@lowe2182 i quitted at level 9 because i get bored and theres no endgame content, there were new content but since the endgame dead i didnt even want to bother grinding
@@xionellashes7364 Also, every new update is mediocre as hell. And can't keep the current players playing for more than a week. I have no hope for the upcoming Tennocon. Just going to be the same thing that has occured the past year or 2. Cool stuff but trash when released.
I play on JP server, which has been out for almost 2 years. It is exactly as you predicted: if you start anew right now on JP server as I do, you won't have any random party dungeon / abyssal dungeon up until tier 3. The severs are not dead, it is just that everyone are at Tier 3 already with their main. The only way to by pass this issue is to be in a good guild to carry you through, as I do with my JP clan, or ask on chat for help, and you do get helps that ways from random players if nicely asked.
Great video LOWE, hilarious as usual! The glasses bit made me bust up. I'd like to share some of my thoughts with regards to why I'll probably stop playing. I've been trying to get into this game since launch, stalled on it for a while and then came back shortly after glavier launched. I've got a friend who's raiding in T3, and the content (combat) looks genuinely fun, but too much of the game consists of unfun chores I have to do in order to get the most out of my character and ultimately be accepted into endgame groups and such later down the road, to play the actual fun parts of the game. Skill point potions are one of the biggest offenders. All this side content that should be optional, something you want something else to do, are actually mandatory because they give skill points which you need in order to have an effective, optimal build later on. And you need a ton of them, so that means grinding out rapports, reputations, una tasks, islands, adventure tomes, etc. I could live with doing Islands, adventuring and sailing around, but the other stuff I have absolute zero desire to do whatsoever. Then there's gear honing. There's nothing more deflating than spending a week grinding out things that are not fun, and on alts you may or may not want to play in the first place, in order to receive nothing for your time spent. Obviously this is meant to encourage card swiping (which I"m happy to say I've not done)! The game has so much potential, honestly. I want to keep playing it, because the combat is so fun and the dungeons, raids, fight design makes me want to log in. But the game has so many ways of forcing me to do a ton of stuff I don't want to do so I can start having fun again. I've played MMORPGs for a long time so I'm no stranger to that concept, but as I've grown older I'm just not willing to deal with that anymore. I already have my chores and responsibilities to deal with IRL, I play games to escape from that and recharge.
Fair points. Grindy MMOs are tough for people irl that work or do other things so I understand that. That’s why games like valorant, league or whatever with no commitments are loved by general mass and MMO is more niche.
I don't know why you're playing a F2P MMO then. F2P games only benefit people with an excess of time or people with an excess of money. People in the middle try to convince themselves they like it, but they don't. The combat in the game is great but it's like D3. It's cool but after a while it's boring and repetitive. The difference though is that your armor sets in D3 do change how you play your character. In this game, only your engravings and tripods do, and they're cookie cutter. Funny enough the class that sold me on this game was also the one that ruined my experience the most. It's a class with a ton of channels that bosses just move out of or can cast a whole ability that cc's before it even finishes.
The catchup mechanics in this game are really well designed. Yes, there will not be many people in tier 1/2 everytime a new player will join, but remember, this is a heavy alt game so there will be couple of people doing that content. I personally don't want to bother anymore with T1/T2, but I always boost my guildmate alts and we always take some randoms to boost them. Right now, if a new player joins, he can get 1370 in one week, 2 weeks for casuals, which is huge already, so I don't see why do people complain about it... In the future you will be able to get even higher, like 1415 or so. Anyway, I'm on the same page with classes release, I really wanted scouter, but since we don't even have a release date and a class every 2 months feels really bad designed... I will stick with what I have right now. Hopefully we will get more mats in the future so we cam switch our mains one day for the class that we really want.
@@lainstructure well by the end of the year NA will catch up to kr legion patches as well as all current classes, if people are paying attention to their pacing they'd know. Who cares, quit or wait bro
I literally have 5 alts, 3 of them are already Tier 3 and the other two...? I don't even bother going into Tier 2 again. They get power passed or hyper boosted with Express.
Yo I get you bro my job is sushi chef in Japanese restaurant I love lost ark but with my 350 hour in the game am 1372. The Problem is in Korea they have this game since 2018 and all content they have it’s been released slowly in way to people to catch up and enjoy in our release they rush and it’s a big mess. You are absolutely right about everything you said.
One guildmate rerolled regions two weeks ago, and is already Argos P3 ready. I feel Amazon is handing us honing mats pretty generously. The class release schedule sucks though, depending on the order I might not see a new class that interests me until 2023.
@@postano9153 You seem to have forgotten about the amount of mats you get for your first character in a new region. All the island materials and the challenge rewards alone are sick combined with the super express mission and the Ark Pass, its insane. Stop accusing people when you have no idea thanks. And yea Class release schedule sucks ass i think we can all agree on that.
@@postano9153 The challenge rewards and the entire ark pass do give t3 mats stop continue lying. This whole "I cannot do it" and therefore anyone that does it must be a cheater, or in this example whale or "luckiest person" is so fkin toxic and wrong. just stop
Great video as always! Edit: I hope you aren't too discouraged by the mixed reception, I appreciate your courage to openly talk about these issues. Your point about classes simply being a vessel to enjoy the same exact content is pertinent. Your talk about the questionable pacing yet again is even more so. Creating a long stretch of FOMO and tension to maximize the revenue may have unexpected costs down the line. We'll see.
As someone who plans to play or at least try all the new classes coming out, I like this change as it takes off some of the stress of having to level a class every single month and gives time to save. I do wish they would "unlock" the weapon skin boxes so we can get our classes matching skin when they release.
I do appreciate the honest perspective of the current state of the game. I played when the game first released and got to the second island just below level 50. I stopped there due to elden ring and poe. When I came back I noticed something different about the player base. A lot of duplicate characters running around. To learn it was all bots the game felt dead. I’ve logged back in several times and recently as yesterday. Same situation still with the bots. I really wanted to have a game to sink my teeth into for awhile. It was Warframe at one time but I gave DE six years to make a change. I’ve lost interest as of now. Hopefully they turn it around before it’s to late.
"lets tlk about waframe" as someone whose "Favorite game" is warframe, that is EXACTLY how alot of us play it, we leave for a while and come back for the small bit of new content, grind for a week, and we're gone again. "i want to play the game but where are my goals to grind towards" ^ this is how i feel about lost ark, i love the game, but where are my skins, mounts and pets to grind towards, the things that make the fun juices flow in my brain when im not working towards tedious endgame meta, where's the classes i see korea getting and thinking "damn, u release that rn and i'll make 5 different versions of the same class and grind out every single one of em"......... this "release it slow" is fuck all. give me the content u got me hyped for, it EXISTS. otherwise i'll just go boot up a vpn and weasel my way into the korean servers myself.
"It's an incredibly defeating feeling not being able to experience new content with the rest of the player base ..." Bro. how much percentage of the people you think is valtan ready at this moment? I would say 1-3%. I have 4 characters, each is in a different guild, just list your guild teammates by level. And yes, they are doing it like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey, to stimulate people to force ilvl spending cash. Simple, greedy logic. Are you surprised that game that has 13 different currency types, peons and is Korean "free" MMORPG, governed by a FUCKlN AMAZON would be shady, sly and greedy? Cmon.
If the guy in my friend circle that has a job, and healthy social life, manages to get to 1415 on Valtan release, im sure theres more than 1-3%. Pretty sure on release theres been between 10-20% that were able to do it. They even said it was about 7x as many people ready for it, compared to argos.
Slowing class releases won’t bring in new players. HOWEVER increasing their release will only SLOW player progression. When a new class comes out, people hoard/stockup materials. This increases demand for mats and decreases supply of them. This ultimately slows everybody’s progression. Instead of honing, they’re hoarding/selling mats for gold (prices are high, why not sell?) When Amazon see’s that people have not reached a high enough ilvl, they might delay the next raid just like valtan, in fear of another Argos situation. This game is a commitment-type game, but just becuz you commit, doesn’t mean you get to valtan in a week. You still gotta play the game. This game also slows down progression for high ilvl players. This allows new player to catch up becuz I’m not gonna out-hone/ progress faster than someone who’s at 1340. This is fact. People in other servers have started a year after their region server launched and have eventually caught up to the endgame players. I also don’t think it’s fair to global players if we get a power pass every patch/super often. Other regions did not get this. It would make it seem like we were spoon fed while they actually had to grind
But they did get with all classes a pass, we want fast catch up to kr so should get a pass to every class. They can give us a pass they just dont want to cause amazon greed Kr also gets 2 free punika pass for every new player before even login into the game
The logic that it isn't fair for global players if we get power pass super often is flawed. One, they did get it on every character class release and two, they are way ahead of us now why would they care about the fairness of it all? It's like saying let's not make the game more accessible for the newcomers because the veterans had to go through that shit
@@darthran Yea give every new player a powerpass to t3. It's not like the time you spent playing till you get there teaches you the basics of the game or anything. I absolutely want people who don't know what a stagger check is or how a counter works in my mechanically challenging raids. It's bad enough how many people don't actually think what they are doing already.
@@yoone4830 They give free passes, BUT they had long periods between every new class, so it wont hurt give some passes. We are getting this speedy content to catch up, but at this point give passes every new character is a lot of money down the sink. They will probably giving one pass every two characters. We had a pass with Glaivier then no passes for destroyer, they will give a pass for Arcana and probably no pass for the next one.
Honestly sell powerpasses to T3. Casuals should be at 1385 where everyone should have a 3x3 which makes makes character feel stronger and fun to play. Majority of the player base below T3 are missing out. KR version has better catch up mechs that any new player can catchup to a pretty high gear score with content to do
The catchups are good imo, since it helps bring new players up to a level where they can already start working on alts. The game is fun if u play at your own pace, and have a guild that is casual. But that is just my own opinions tho~
I don't agree. The most fun part are the legion raids. everything is just straight up intelligence and skill insulting bullshit loot pinata content. Locking out 90% of your playerbase of even the NORMAL version is just beyond me. Why is there hard modes, if not even the most regular f2p players can reach the normal modes. Only lucky people who played from day 1 are in that range. Every week counted for them and I had a 7 week break after hitting t3@ launch and I fucking blasted for 8 weeks now on 6 t3 characters trying to reach 1415, including the full premium ark pass juice. I am 1410 and all my bonus honing mats for the whole week are already gone. It's back to two taps every day for 7 days playing mindnumbingly boring content day in, day out. And that is the huge problem: The legion raids are the only fun content. There is nothing else close to it, except for pvp, which I play over 80 matches a week already.
@@Nyver253 KR is reworking Power Passes, but you could buy Punika Powerpasses from the start. Also we have the Express not Hyper Express Event, and that works on any Character Lv50 and below ilv1000 which gets you to T3 within a week easily. KR also has +2 on every upgrade for T1/2 which we dont have yet either. Youre flying by T1/2 really really fast the longer the game goes on.
there is many things we agree about like the classes, honing rates is really stupid we can't buy from the auction house cuz of the pheons people selling stuff like we're sitting on millions of gold and bots making even harder on casual players never the less the exchange of blue crystals is really pricey most of us forced to play alts its really frustrating
I hate that we can't catch up when we change mains or when people just started now. It takes months while your friends keep progressing. My GF switched class to Bard when her mage was like 1393 and she just arrived at 1415 after I gave her anything I got while she was farming too. Imagine how it is in a few months when New classes arrive. I wanted to play Destroyer but no chance to keep up with my static then.
I stopped playing because the game doesn’t want me to play it honestly. Hard crashes, random game crashes, and bugged zones that required me to talk to live assistance to get my character “unstuck” from wherever she was. Most of my guild quit so there wasn’t much reason to kick around what with V Rising coming out.
500 hours into the game, started a week after launch, $40 spent on gold + battle pass. Main is 1405 with 3 t3 alts, how are people getting to 1445-1460 so fast besides rmt? Or am I just really unlucky
Dude everyone is using rmt. People at 1445 saying they haven’t are lying. You can do the math in 5 minutes and the amount of mats to reach that ilvl that fast only comes from an army of alts or spending money. I can see someone with 1200 hours being that ilvl f2p but holy thats 10+ hours a day on a fucking grind loop. You have to be insane or a teenager to play like that.
Adrian DJ I don’t even know how to RMT. Completely F2P, main Paladin is 1445, 1 alt at 1400, one alt at 1370 and 2 more at 1340. Roughly 1000 hours, and I’d bet somewhere around 650 honing fails. Got the rusty title quite a while ago.
i got 1420,1415,1370 and 3 at 1340. 700+ hours i imagine i could've kept the 1415 at 1385 and probably got the 1420 to 1445 by now . only purchased bronze founder. its possible with f2p with lot of hours or just focusing on 1 character
They need to add other and new avenues for new players to progress and reach endgame. One of the worst parts of Loat Ark so far is trying catch up new characters/alts to your mains level is a such a drag going through the exact same story line for the 4th or 5th time.
Dont talk shit like that please. This game is giving so much for free and minimal effort. Of course honing system isnt ideal but you got powerpass, express pass, lost ark pass, islands, events, guardian trials, soon abyss trials, south vern etc. Its so much free mechanics to catch up. Dont be hypocritic.
Lol what? We are the most F2P friendly region, and currently any new player can basically get 2 characters to T3 for free very quickly (Event pass and Power Pass to 960), then you have an event going on to get free mats and books (Wild Wing), you get a ton of mats from Chaos Line, login rewards, and the Ark Pass. They don't really need new avenues to catch up. They're definitely in the game. People just want 6 T3 alts while barely playing lol.
XD i didnt know there was 19 others who are glad that arcanist is coming out! Love your content, its always fun to hear you talk about ags with depressed voice, take care!
You're not close to Valtan normal? With the amount of materials in the Chaos Line, Anguished Isle, the Chicken Event, the Ark Pass (free), dailies, weeklies, guild shop, etc you should be there even if you only play ONE character and no alts. what ilvl are you?
I do agree though it does suck starting the game, and not having anyone to do T1 or T2 content with. It feels really lonely. Even on my T1 Alt it takes FOREVER to find someone to do the guardian raids with.
Also, the "I can't wait to do this with random people" for challenge abyssal raids is a bad feeling. Have you tried to find a group to play with? I have my IRL group of friends I play with, but I've also found a dozen or so randoms via Discord that make the game super enjoyable for me. I'd definitely recommend that.
Idk, that part of the video I was super surprised with, they are throwing so many mats at us, what the hell was he doing to be so low ilevel? Unless of course he doesn't play much, which is fine, but at that point why is he complaining?
@@rdom9680 Dude you aren't 1490 yet ? Everyone who I know is 1490 !! Why are you even participating into comment sections, get a grip and go farm you noob. Gonna show you to my friends for not being 1490 yet ! KEKW
Finally a content creator with a take I feel is not biased. I play more than the average player and the thought of running the honing treadmill for a few pieces off gear on a character I don't really want to play ( waiting on artist and summoner) just killed my desire to play anymore. This road map release is so lack luster and underwhelming I can't even be bothered to run dailies any more...for what.
But what if those 2 classes come out and you don't enjoy them? I thought I would love playing destroyer but deleted him yesterday. I don't understand how people pick a main before playing it.
the good part of not releasing reaper is that theres not gonna be a high increase in raid disbands and no one can cry that they cant find a group for legionraids, the bad part is I wanted to do it intentionally just for fun to stay true to the memes
Game is already on life support lol and this announcement is probably nail in the coffin for many. Game is 60-70% bots too and nothing is being done. If they think Im going wait for 2023 to play the class Im interested in they are insane
Keep in mind Goldriver said he would be fine with 40-50k whales and no lifers. The bots will take care of the economy. It was the plan for the start. Streamer overhyped the hell out of this game, once people realized it was a gotcha mobile game masquerading as an mmo the majority bailed. The only people left are whales, no lifers, people gripped by sunken cost and bots. Bots are easily over half of the player numbers and I would put money on them being 60-70%.
Apologize for all the ranting? Lowe my guy you are 100% right about everything that you've said. 1 class / 2 months is the dumbest fing thing they've done so far. Not getting powerpasses with every class and going through T1/T2 content with the dumbest ppl I have ever seen in an mmorpg is a freaking nightmare.. The only reason why I've pushed a class to 1460 that I won't be even playing with after scouter release is just a pain in the ass I already have 7 other characters in T3 1340/1370 just so I can farm a shit load of honing materials to be able to get my future main to 1430ish to be able to kill normal vykas at least, but well I will have to wait 'til 2023 at this point...
I stopped playing a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't super hardcore but probably a bit more than the average player. I just could see myself doing this game's progration any more. But, I actually like your videos so I'll keep watching them. Also, 5:39 ... What a flex.... LOL
i do agree with you buddy. But about one point the day they realise Artist i alrdy got enough mat to push her through tier 3 without a pass. Though doing for the X th times the leveling even if its a good one for a mmo gonna be rude.
I dont understand WHY I have to get my main to a certain level BEFORE I can try another class its sad and why I quit but i love listening to your videos man so ty.Make your bed son you will feel better at night with a fresh set lol.
This is not a game for casuals. the games cadence is catered towards people who play every single day for at least 2 hours and yes 90% of those people are all beyond 1415 now. this is a resource and time management heavy game. THAT DOESNT MEAN the casuals wont get to the current content though they will eventually but they will be months behind and by the time they reach there most people already know the fight youll be in.so it would pretty much be easy for a new player to clear the legion raids as a casual.
June/july roadmap just killed off my interest in the game and I was getting really passionate about this game. I'm not gonna wait a whole fking year for the class I want to main to be released (artist - which was the whole reason I even tried out the game in the first place) and the only other 2 classes I want to play are also gonna take 6-8 months to even be added into the game. yea this ain't it.
Not a surprise here. I'm very glad I decided not to get this game at the last minute. Amazon killed New World, and now it is killing Lost Ark. Further proof that AGS is absolute shit and needs to be shutdown. They have literally NEVER developed or published a successful game. Amazon needs to stick to what is does best and stop attempting to publish/develop games.
i think its a lil different in Lost Ark. To be fair there is quite a bit of new players playing Lost Ark every major patch in KR. I'm sure having more classes will have more playerbase, but for people who starts later will start with hyper express probably which semi-solves the problem of him talking about "people who's just starting and onto that journey to lvl 50" since you'd most likely use a punika pass and then a hyperexpress to quickly push your character to 1415 later down the line
I dont think Vykas is too fast. They didnt mention Clown Raid within 2 Months either, so it looks like they pushed Vykas so people can finish their Relic Sets. And going from 1415->1430 isnt that big of a jump. But i do understand the feeling of not experiencing it when it comes out. But that‘ll happen right now, simply because we‘re playing catchup. Once we slow down because we‘re closer to up to date, people will go up easier and be able to do stuff on release alot easier. I also understand that people feel annoyed with Classes, but it feels like most of them wouldnt have played the game much anyway. A big part of people that said they want to main Glavier and when is glavier coming, quit her by now because they dont like her. Still sucks that they drip feed the Classes. I get the skins, i get the raids, but they couldve done the classes atleast.
you know what the early game conent is a lot of fun when you're not on a rat race, everyone is rushing to the so called "good end game content" by skipping 99% of good early content, the only reason if felt boring to level up is because we were trying to rush & catch up, if you do the story to chill and have fun you'll discover it's really good!
I think the roadmap is solid. Ofc. Id wish for artist or scouter but i can understand their longterm business decision. Most likely they'll bring punika or southvern powerpass with scouter or artist. I have 10x t3 chars with 3x valtan and 3x argos p3 as f2p.
More RNG (loot boxes) in a game that already has insane RNG…Zeals already said he’s lost hundreds of €$¥ to the shitty system so f the ppl who wanted more new “better” skins. Yes you’ll prob be able to buy them of thr AH but i bet only whales will only be able to afford them. Man if i wanted to play more gacha games i would just go back to maining games like PGR, Genshin or Honkai. I put + thousands of hours into Warframe and that game is a prime example of good f2p can be (game respects the time you put in) while getting value for your money if you decide to spend. You are literally able to farm EVERYTHING (minus prime cosmetics).
Not ranting, but the damn Truth. You got it spot on!! Amazon is killing the game, why do you think Gold River left all the sudden? He saw what's coming!! Oh yeah, I feel you, tier 1 and 2 are ghost towns, I'm leveling a Gunslinger, and other than those teleporting Berks and Sorcs, it's just me!! Hate it!!!
Thankyou for making this. You put out my frustration in really nice and well structured sentences. Amazon can turn this around, they just need more of your guidance!!
And as of now, with the game full of bots and hundreds of other unsolved problems, they announce that they'll censor Artist's costume designs to be more "Western standard" 🤣
They should give us Hyper Express - 1302-1415 express with tons of mats and other shet as completion rewards at each checkpoints with huge juice at 1415. (edit - next thing that already exist in other versions)
Whew, look I'm happy because I was anticipating Destroyer as a potential main, and I really love it so far. But my sis! Is playing a Bard right now, she likes support, but she wants Artist because they have a cute aesthetic and has noooo idea how much time she is going to waste on Bard while waiting.
First point: Releasing a new class every 2 months is a way better deal than KR players had. Second point: If you are not able to progress because you lack time that's normal because this is a Korean MMO and we all knew what we were getting into, same for your friends, weak. I mean I get your points but this isn't Amazon's doing, we are getting things at a higher pace than KR did, hands down. So I don't think Amazon is killing anything it's just that the game isn't made for everyone and certaintly not the average western player. The translations do suck tho.
The only large issue that will likely persist in this game is the botting. In my years of playing mmos since 2004 free or not, I don't think I have seen a more out of control botting dilemma. It gives the game a horrible impression for a new player.
Not that I care to much about it but we are getting an Accelerated Release version of the game. To catch up with Korean Content as best as we can. They even stated this. Comparing to KR is kind of pointless. They could also just do 2 classes every 2 months (2 at once) and people wouldn't bat an eye. People are upset because they went from 1 a month (So roughly 7 months for all classes to release) to 1 every 2. With 2 out of the way that's still 10 months for us to now catch up in classes. With Artist being last. KR is also getting a new class and female berserker eventually. So add another 4 months to the time frame. I just think people feel cheated by AGS/SG with this release system. Since we will most likely catch up with raids with KR before classes with this release schedule (If they keep the same kind of pace with raids)
Adding to your first point: if people don’t want to play because they don’t have their class, they can come back and there’ll probably be catch up mechs anyways. I’m fully agreeing with your second point. This game is supposed to be grindy. All MMOs are. This persons argument on having 2 jobs and feeling like it’s too fast or w/e is obviously because they’re grinding irl and not in game. Simple as that, put more hours to get ahead. My personal experience: I’m 1475, 1370 x5 and putting 3-4 hours daily. Weekends more to do weekly things. I don’t have to do this but I wouldn’t be where I’m at currently. Probably half the alts and like 1445 or something(I did buy $50 founder and 15$ battlepass). I’m saying this because I work 8 hrs daily and the reason I’m caught up is because I put the hours in. Even for my f2p friends, they probably play like 1-3 hours daily now or less and they’re at 1445+ with 1370 alts(put more time in the beginning ofc).
@@emmusing Must be nice to get hones going XD. Im stuck around 1393 on my DB and 1387 on my Glavier. I ran out of mats finally after failing til 100% on like 8 pieces in a row. My buddy who has played almost the same time as I have is already 1420 :( Im not upset or anything about it but just unlucky. Just gonna keep going. FOMO dont really bother me anyways. If you dont mind me asking you to read my other reply Im curious on your thoughts about it. Since you agree with OPs first point. Just curious.
@@mattyeye8176 regarding your comment on class releases, I don’t really care too much but I understand the people that have been waiting and now have to wait longer causing some to quit. Like I said before, they can always quit now and come back later with catchup mechs if they do please. If they move on to another game, so be it. Although I do feel like Amazon could release classes very month but it is what it is.
I'm not sure statements diminishing people waiting for any class, Arcana in this case, are the way to go. I personally wait for this class and I know other people who do wait for it as well. Maybe this class isn't popular, but so what? In EU/NA I see lots of Sorcs, it is popular but became boring and predictable.
Can relate, I know this is meant to be a slow ass progression til you get to the fun part, but I don't know if that is all so well. The biggest problem for me after 750 hours is I still can't do Valtan normal. After today's reset I have hit 1410 after a session burning through 380 GHLs to upgrade my shoulders from +14 to +15 @ 82% artisan ( = around 28 taps with >0< hits and a full pity and soon pity). Not even mentioning the pure gold that got hammered into oblivion. The rng aspect of progressing through the game is just no fun. Even if I succeed a hone, I feel no happiness, no rush, I feel nothing, because it is just fucking annoying, because it locks me out of content. Give the whale all the power and bragging rights, I really dont fucking care, but you need to let me play the game. The RNG should be softened up until you hit the normal mode of the most current raid. That means 1415 for current and 1430 for next patch with vykass. You can gate the power behind all the grind and ressources you want, but do not bar me the entry to literally the only fun and engaging content in the game. And this is the next big problem. The daily grind and slog is so fucking mindnumbingly boring and insulting to do across 6+ characters, I just wanna log off after my 3rd character with 3 more to go. In addition, I play on the botinfested EUC region. The only people left playing here, are the RMTers and the consequence is, that it is impossible between honing and other expenses to afford ANY accessory with grudge, CD or KB. Any combination of those, no matter the quality or if it is 1370 3/3 costs 7k bare minimum with 60qual. I can't even imagining starting all of this from scratch or going through this as a new player and I didnt even hit the first goal post after all that time and grind.
i have a 1420 and 1415, have been clearing valtan since it released. The grind is the same brain numbing grind except once a week you do valtan , today was 1 pull both gate 1 and g2 . which was maybe 30min of gameplay. KR the game is probably a lot more fun since they can ignore dailies and just do 3 raids per week. but NA EU sucks in comparison. Valtan is fun but after a few weeks its just another piece that gets farmed with little thought power. I honestly think the whole game will be like this. Grind hundreds of hours to enjoy a new raid for a handful of clears and then it gets dull. I hope I'm wrong because the combat is fun.
Great video. I'm one of those people who stopped playing a few weeks after release. I logged in last week to check out what's changed and thought trying Glavier might make it fun again, but then I saw there was no Power Pass and the thought of doing 200 hours of main story quest all over again made me throw up and I logged right back out. It's a bummer they don't try and KEEP people. I'd like to be kept. Power Pass should be available 24/7, it's not giving you anything you haven't already completed, makes them money, and the way the game is designed there is very little chance of being able to only play one character, so why not let us Power Pass alts if we want since they make us have alts. Anywho just my 2 cents, great video.
Hey so there is actually a system called knowledge transfer in your stronghold that allows you to pay like 600 gold to skip a character to level 50, might be worth checking into if you wanted to play again
@@afroshikamaru3935 Great advice. I ended up pushing my top character through Feiton and received a Feiton powerpass, which was enough to make it seem not such a chore to switch. I'm giving it another go!
First off, thanks for the gatcha skin system warning. One thing you pointed out is the FOMO aspect and you having no one to do old content with. Completely agree there with you. My story is similar to yours: I attend university, have a job and recently started exercising due to newly acquired health problems coming from sitting too much in front of the desk/computer. All this equals very little play time. I reached 1400 which, yeah, is nice and all but I won't see Valtan, even less Vykas in a looong time. The problem here that I think many don't understand isn't just FOMO, it's literally the theft of fun and actual lack of people to play with. One example is my alt. While I was going through tier 2 content and went into the abyss dungeon, high geared to people joined and cleared everything in 1min. Sounds great on paper but that basically makes the abyss dungeon another boring chore. You don't experience mechanics, the struggle or people who give you a sense of camaraderie. Another point is the gold. Many items acquired from day 1 - 10 new content get sold for massive gold. I know some people who secure their gold for a long time with this. You, as someone with irl stuff to do, won't be able to do this. Honestly for me this is too fast and a letdown. My guild which started as casual now accepts no one under 1400. I'll probably be kicked out in a month or two. Not whining or anything but giving out content for 1460 while making the way to that ilvl extremely hard and expensive only benefits people who play all day or invest huge amounts of real money. Idk I really like the game but every day I get more and more discouraged to play it.
anyone else feeling burnt out from this game? the dailies started to get dry after getting my second character to argos. yeah there are things to work toward: higher ilvl to do more content, new areas and islands to complete. felt too formulaic / repetitive but i guess that's the state of the mmo genre as a whole at this point. either way im taking a break lol.
I think dailies themselves are player burning content tbh. Being forced to repeat the same tasks every day just gets dreadful fast. That said LA's dailies lack variaty even when compared to other korean mmos. I mean unas and chaos are just mindless. And unfortunately those are what we mostly do.
You know what's funny if they didn't want to give so many power passes they could just release 2 classes every 3 months at the same time so you bring in content and power passes and it's still a better system than getting 2 classes in 4 months, but hey they want to milk money so of course they can't do that they haven't even implemented the honing buff which should've been in the game with argos release 🤷♂️
Game is bleeding players, and no new players are coming to replace lost players. I mean if your a new player and you see nothing but bots on the starter areas, why the hell would you continue playing.
I won't say that AGS is horrible but they certainly seem incompetent. Reminds me of the old days of Nexon's antics and general inability to address things as desired by the community. I know that they don't control the ultimate fate of lost ark as that is within Smilegate's domain, yet I still remember how Trion effortlessly fucked up archeage's western release despite the game being well liked.
Personally, i dont recommend this game to any of my friends. I’ve been playing since day one and the only reason why i have been fortunate to keep close to new content is due to whales buying stuff off the auction/market. I’ve been grinding and selling tradable mats/leap stones/jewerly since day 1 every day to make gold. Its already stressful enough trying to keep up so i cant imagine what free-to-play, new players, or casual players are feeling. Anyone who says that these express passes are going to help new players are wrong. Its only giving the current players another alt to feed more mats to their main. This game is too stressful and time consuming for the majority of people who actually have a life. I honestly wished I never played this game. Its only going to get worse going forward just to play new content. Honing success rates get lower the higher you are.
Playing 3 Characters literally takes an hour a day roughly and youre easily staying up there to do new content on release. Not to mention, while yes Honing chances go down, content also slows down. We have a Month from 1415 -> 1430 but we‘ll have probably 3 Months for 1430 -> 1475 and Clown also has an easier mode that rewards upgrade mats to help with the push. Dont know why youre stressing over permanent content anyway
how is it stressful at all? i have 3 alts and doing everything i need to takes 1hour maybe an hour and a half at most. After valtan 1415 you hit the 1430 mark is only a few upgrades 1445-1460 is also only a few upgrades and then you get another honing buff for alts. everything is now just a few upgrades away and far from feeling like a job. If you're feeling that way you're doing something wrong. I've been able to do valtan and i play very little lost ark and play alot of valorant lol. You're clearly doing something wrong.
I think most of the players are hanging there just waiting for someone new come up (a new MMO or something more fun ) once that happens to think the vast majority of f2p or casual will leave LA for good, I did whale a bit with Ark pass also tried farm chaso 1 month, but tbh I can't see myself keep going on zombie mode or whale mode for kuku or later on those contents.
decided to take my glavier through little bit at a time do it from start to finishing catching all that I missed before ... got my yellow lady bug so now have all colours to play with... but must say the amount of people at the beginning is very shockingly low in the one section I am now I have seen one other person. So anything with a group that is needed this poor little lady is gonna be screwed .... have a huge feeling this will not be a long term game I am not an end game junkie I am a playing the game junkie but if you have no one to play with not very fun.... for now I am playing but three months from now cannot say I will be
It would be nice if they made the honing rate and exp from the express mission permanent going forward since T1 and T2 content is empty and boring even the first time through. Right now I just login to do dailies and weeklies, slowly progress alts, etc. I will play more when I hit those ilvls later on. Knowing that there will be other catch up mechanics coming helps with fomo and burn out IMO.
I've been actively playing Lost Ark since release (750 hours). I have a hard time being engaged in a game. I used to think 100 hours was the maximum I could enjoy a game for, since this was the case for games I really enjoyed like Souls games and Horizon. When this roadmap came out I thought it sounded fine, that classes can be content, I have not been able to look into my Glaivier much at all. When Destroyer came out it was with so much other content that I was excited for, I didn't think of creating one, especially not without a powerpass. What I want to get to here is that I think spreading out class releases isn't the most dumb thing, but then I realized we are missing 6 classes from Korea, that is 1 YEAR. That is such a long time. Who in a year will be excited for a class that we've known will be coming since release of the game. Think about all the complaining we have been through at that point, the class missing will be meme'd to death. I'm impressed if I'm still playing this game after summer. I sure hope I do, but as a gamer who tries new games all the time they need to keep up with the content.
this guys attitude towards today's game market has been my attitude for 8 years. where did all the fun and ingenuity go? each of these guys is lasts years game with the same old scam market attached.
I told you even before Lost Ark was released and still playing New World. I said "if Smilegates teamed up with Amazon, then Lost Ark would be bad" Amazon isn't good at managing games, which e-commerce is turning to gaming? it's better if they focus on the online store instead of taking care of the games, any game that Amazon holds is doomed, nothing works. as of this moment, nearly 80% of the Lost Ark player population were bots. I also play Lost Ark Korea, but I rarely see bots there, Smilegates will be permanently banned if they find a bot. Unlike Smilegates, Amazon doesn't seem to care about bots even though there have been many bot reports on the Forums. you could say, in Korea 99.9% are real players, 0.01% are bots, because not necessarily in a month I find bots in Korea. but can you imagine, 1.3 million players in Lost Ark Global, and 80% of them are bots? totally unreasonable
You're right, those who are behind and are f2p will never catch up and experience the end game because they'll be left with only busses and quitters. This game only caters to the whalers, and the f2pers are simply there to assist in creating the economy the whalers need.
Catch up mechanics will be implemented so new players will have easier time catching up.Having new class every month is only beneficial for people that waiting for certain class which is loud minority I rather have new class every 2 months with powerpass than 1 every month without powerpass
need to give us even more mats than we are getting or fix some of that honing rng for the 1400 plus push. Even bettter make mats account bound instead of character and solve a lot of issues that way.
Classes coming out every 2 months is no big deal we are getting classes out faster then Japan and Russia did. Most people don’t know how to battle items. The reason they brought destroyer out so fast was to help with stagger checks once hard content is out valton is training wheels boss. Once Brelshaza is out we’re have no legion raids for a good 8 months plus so people can caught up or pay for a bus run.
I couldn't agree more!! I can't stand how they do things, and I've spent hundreds of dollars because I was so pumped, I've recently quit playing because the characters I want to main isn't released and no release date in sight. So I've decided to wait until ALL characters are released, and if I decide to play than maybe I will, but they've destroyed this game with how they're releasing content. They've destroyed this game soley because of GREED!
I agree the new player experience will get worse over time, but the amount of new players that know nothing about the game will always outnumber the few who 'refuse to play with their class'. I see so often Gamers underestimating casual players; anyone who doesn't play and gets a whiff of the game will see new 'stuff' (debatably content) being added each month. You have to understand that the knowledge that LostArk was released (and has all this 'content sitting there ready') in separate regions prior to West, puts you in an exorbitantly low percentile of players. Anyone who's played near launch, is likely still playing. People starting now and in the future, will more than likely be recommended the game by others (IRL friends, casual youtube/twitch, advertising) and have a 'support system' when it comes to entering Tier 1 content alone. Funnily enough I think it's the best way to handle 'live service' in that we do already have a preview of what's coming. Once, if ever, we reach global feature parity, the amount of panic when it comes to not knowing the next steps of the development of the game will be deafening. LostArk forums and social spaces are already plagued with "I've played 1000 hours, there's nothing to do", aka 'I don't want to play the game anymore' and those people are more likely to return in months once their steam has cooled, versus adding all the content now and getting plagued with "I've already played 1500 hours, there's nothing to do"
Yeah no this is bullshit. Most people don't just randomly install a 40+ gig mmo and willy nilly pick a class that looks nice on the character creation screen, then spend 50 hours in a dreadful single player experience without doing any research. ALL story dungeons are absolutely empty, a new player that just randomly started the game will likely have to spend some 20+ hours of awful single player before they even get to their first guardian and abyssal dungeon, most of those players will likely drop the game long before that, like my whole friend group did; so the only people staying around to play 1000 hours are the ones that actually researched the game.
A few things being misunderstood here. Sorry if I didn’t explain myself better!:
I’m not complaining that I’m behind other players! I’m obviously gonna be a bit behind when I have limited time to play, and I have no issue with that. My point was that many new players (and friends I’ve tried getting into the game) will feel discouraged by how far behind they are and not want to get into it, which is a stance I can totally understand. I feel like getting the classes out sooner would help those people who are really only interested in a few specific classes, since they’ll only be getting further and further behind the general playerbase by the time their character drops and they’ll be even more likely to drop the game.
There’s also the issue of hoping to bring in brand new players further down the line when even now, months into release, tier 1 and tier 2 content are practically ghost towns. I have to search for a very long time to get into any early content with the bard I’m leveling, and this problem is only gonna get worse. I don’t really have a solution to this issue, and I definitely don’t think brand new players should just be thrust into the end-game where they’ll likely get wrecked by all of the content there. This is mostly just a problem MMOs have in general with bringing in fresh faces years into their lifespan.
I also don’t think AGS/Smilegate should stop putting out end-game content or anything like that, just that purposefully slowing the release of classes that are already finished is something that I think does more harm than good for the playerbase. Feel free to disagree, these are just my opinions!
I believe that these issues are mitigated by the constant influx of catch up mechanics like the express pass, ark pass, and power pass. They are constantly giving us tools to have our alts or new mains geared up.
Not getting a new class each month is kind of disappointing, but we'll have plenty of opportunities to have those new classes catch up when they come out.
i wish there would be more people playing this lovely game but i understand it is not for everyone.
My son played minecraft for hours a day for years and i couldnt get him to play to lvl 50 on lost ark
I am 110% with you on the problems Lost Ark has with new player retention and especially their experience. And the way Korea does it by just letting new players dive into the deep end with a 1400+ character within 5 minutes of opening the game seems a suspect way to retaining them here in the west, and especially as the game is still young.
Same for JP server here: on 20th June Artist will be released, and people are expected to have a free pass to Punika.
Just wanted to point out that when glaiver came out we were given 1) Feiton powerpass 2)Story express. if you used that on the same character you wasted that. So technically they gave us two boost.
+1 this, everyone seems to forget we got 2 passes in May.
You just had to use the Story Express on a character (used it on my Gunslinger since I wanted her over the Glaivier), she's 1340 now.
And have a warrior (Destroyer) now at 1370GS since yesterday.
I used the powerpass on him as he was sitting at Trixion, waiting for the Destro launch.
It wasn't a big deal, just the "supposed time" of the tickets were a mess to understand.
While that's true, they've been consistenly doing a very poor job at making the conditions for the use of those features clear to the playerbase. I basically "lost" my Feiton power pass, because I redeemed it immediatly upon receiving it and then was forced to use it within 7 days.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind having an extra T3 character. The problem is that I meant to save that power pass for Destroyer and the consequence was that I didn't even bother to create one now.
So yeah, you're not wrong that they've technically given us 2 boosts, but considering the way they've done it, I'd rather not even have had that. I prefer not having free stuff than to be frustrated with the free stuff I'm given.
what story express? first time hearing it
Nah, for guys that are already up there, you wouldnt like the story express. You still played a lot of stuff. For sure easier but by no means close to a powerpass.
What people meed to finally understand is, that the playerbase wants to enjoy diverse content. Treadmills like Chaos Dungeons and to much dailies to swallow is not helping. The problem is easy: You dont get the people up there because they simply dont want to be there..with that I mean: The cm nstant narrative of you gears being replaced over and over and over again and the systems in place allows you not to react on even 1 skill change or your whole build gets shitty. Imagine a metachange on your char that you played for a thousand hours. You can simply argue: Others dont make it easy as well...its achivement....but at the end its another system in place that people dont want to play...so your community gets smaller and smaller. I sound weird to some people, but I honestly think, that a new horizontal progression game with some unique achivents is better than loot treadmills....people will argue this, but imo you need good content, good new content rate or releasing and diversity on many levels: Cosmetics, traits/professions/skilltrees...and that reachable without hoping for RnG or the need to go to the auction house, which is a must in this game. It rewards lucky people to capitalize on unlucky people...that in itself is rediculous.
Why cant I farm the mats and do achivents/collections and simply build the char how I want. Why do I need to be lucky....so lucky in fact, that you cannot get your engravings working AT ALL.
We experimented with it: A player with 1000+ hours by now is unlikely to meet the requirements on engravings with 3x3, 3x3+1x1, let alone 4x3 simply with his drops! It is not possible! Get a proper stone? Get a good quality? Get the right gems? Grind on cards? Get all lvl3-4 tripods?
Sorry....but if you dont buy in the AH, you are done and the game isnt working for you. Someone else capitalize on you.
Carve a 9-7stone with 1-2 points on debuff?-> good luck dropping the right stone let alone carving it with a 0.01% chance.
We see those videos about them and no video about people being poor and not playing the content.
I am 1370 as casual with 4 x 1310 alts...and justy one 1370 char is saying, that I achived what only 6% achived? Wow! I know I was eager more than 90%, but I am now also burned out since 2 weeks, with last week not running a single dungeon, raid, etc...just getting login reward and dobsome dailies on all to progress in horizontal stuff. I had no nerve to play anything of that bullocks and after I played the fox guardian, I was entirely fed up playing that shitty guardian for the next few days/weeks?
The game prevents me from going further as I need to work on engravings, as I just have a 1x3, 2x1 setup and it is finally time to work the AH, which is the shittiest place to be in in the entire game.
@@Henrii01 And you're absolutely right, the Amazonians Comm is not great, there's no hype behind what they do. Instead of being joyful, the wording always seems like it's either a hassle or "they want to monitor things"... wth!?
For example, someone below mentions the story powerpass is a grind of the usual. That's true, but you get soooo much stuff in the final chapter 4 reward pack this is nutts. So much even Koreans are jealous of it. Legendary Selector Card packs, silver, mats, and so on, this thing is really an upgrade and kudos to whoever pushed that reward pack.
Sadly, it was under-explained, not to say the least. Yet, even if a frustration, the amount there was to get leaves me speechless on what people were expecting for this game in the end. And I'm a pissed guy that didnt get to play his "main from Russian servers", the Summoner. Had to settle for my 2 other loves, Holy Knight and Destroyer.
I agree 100%, especially your quip about the 20 arcanist players out there. Looking at class popularity in KR, arcanist is damn near the bottom of the list, 17th place. I know a handful of people are gonna try it, then quickly realize, that it's definitely not the class for them. And I'm in that boat, if the class I want isn't out soon, I'll probably take a break till it's announced, yeah, I could stockpile resources, I could do horizontal content, but if you're not enjoying doing it, then you lose interest quickly. They went back on their word, saying we'd get 1 class every month, they should have stuck with that. If they had, we'd have every class in the game by the end of the year, except the aeromancer since it's not even out in KR. Great video, thanks a ton.
I agree the points you’re making regarding the power pass and classes being released as “content” that’s just a bad move, but I feel like these raid bosses coming out as quick as they are at the moment isn’t bad. The bosses aren’t going anywhere and I kinda get it with the FOMO but, it’s a Korean MMO or MMO in general. It’s a marathon not a speed race. As soon people understand that, the more of the stress of speeding towards the next content falls off. And if you DO want to speed race. Then yeah you’re going to play the game like it’s a job and that’s how it is for well everything lol you gotta work at it with whatever you can and it might burn you out. Overall great content you put out👍
100% Agree. The Classes being held back is BS likely for them to make people sink more time and money while they wait. Its a shitty move. As for the raids. Im 1395 on my highest T3 and just failing honing (My Luck is so bad lmao T-T). I dont care that much though since I am slowly making progress without sinking tons of gold. Eventually Ill get to level and people will know the fights a ton better so they dont wipe as much. Working on my 5th T3 atm while slowly upgrading my DB. Scrapper has been a ton of fun getting to T3 so far as well. Peeps just need to enjoy the game and not get FOMO. Korean MMO's have always been extremely grindy (BDO for ex).
I don’t think they should slow down on new content, just mentioning that it can feel very demoralizing to have new content not available, which I think will hurt the plan of bringing in new players.
I totally agree with you that this new end-game stuff is great and that it’s not a race, but just wanted to bring up the mindset I’ve seen from a lot of people who I’ve tried getting into Lost Ark. not sure what the solution would be to this, since it’s kind of an MMO thing in general!
@@lowe2182 I mean at this point honestly it just goes back to FOMO. It is in nature of every MMO’s there’s no solution regarding that I can think of; however, all SG/Amazon can do is just keep having these “events” pass out mats like every other game that has “events” like these. Granted T1-T2 are bot city and for majority of people are heading into or already in T3. For newer players it’s going to be either one of two things enjoy the game for what it is even if the earlier parts are most likely empty of real players or leave because of the same reason. You can’t have both, just not realistic to make everyone happy.
@@VoiceInVoid At this point..
they should literally rework the road to T3 and renew the training section to teach people better about engravings, gems, cards, tripods etc... Tier 1 is bot city and Tier 2 is completely dead... because most bots stay in Tier 1 and most players are now in Tier 3.
My friend started this game as as soon as he entered Tier 2, he gave up playing the game. Tier 2 right now is the most horrible part of the game besides the totally retarded story grind to 50.
Class releases are content... They come with new events as well. They don't want to just drop every single class without any hype built around them at all either. it's idiotic and ignorant as hell
I should have been excited by the road map and all the new content we’re getting (I’m 1445 so I will be able to experience most of it), but I was immediately soured on the entire thing by the announcement of delaying class releases. I’ve been playing bard patiently waiting for artist to release which I plan to main. And I had accepted the fact that I likely wouldn’t see it until October. But now it’s looking like mid March 2023 or later and I am not at all pleased.
i personally like that they're slowing it downa bit, i feel vykas is honestly a bit early. i hit 1445 on my main and i'm enjoying just logging in every day and not feeling like i have to maximum grind every alt for mats to hone. i play a few characters a day, do a few guardians/chaos dungeons, work on some rapport/food for ignea tokens (working on ignea #10 woo) and call it a day. no pressure, no stress. stacking up mats and pushing all of my alts to 1370-1400 casually. its a good spot, for me personally, to be in. releasing more classes and content fast i end up being stressed and want to do everything on every character every day just to maximize my mats.... with stuff being slower i dont feel bad letting rest bonus add up a bit.
As a fellow artist waiter, the 1 every 2 months was the last straw. I hit 1415 this week and didn't even feel like attempting Valtan before uninstalling. It wasn't a rage uninstall either, it was more about apathy and realizing these devs have very little integrity. Or at best, their marketing team makes sure they don't.
Waiting 10 months minimum for the main class I want to play? No thanks, I will move on. The worst part, is that the class is FULLY functional, and they are CHOOSING to withhold it. It's a pity, because the game is fun. I'm disappointed when business practices abuse such a thing, expecting players to be addicted enough to deal with it. Quitting won't be easy, but my reasoning makes it entirely doable; the main issue will be finding a game to at least somewhat replace it.
Firstly they do this because it’s a sensible business decision that makes money. Else why make this game free for you to play? Someone has to pay the bills. Secondly if you can’t find yourself enjoying the game for what it is now, I’m not sure if having Artist arrive right now will change much of that..
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1. Yes it is 100% a business decision. This isn't a secret to anyone.
2. It's F2P but I have spent money; would have spent a chunk more if they didn't do this.
3. I literally said the game is fun. Speaking of being sensible, you should learn to read.
4. As stated above, the game is fun. However, if you don't understand the level of commitment a main takes, then you won't understand why I wanted my 'main' sooner than later. It's not a matter of the game being 'more fun,' it's a matter of being screwed over by greedy (and sensible) business practices.
Just because it's good for them, doesn't mean it's good for the players.
@@techtoysgaming if the classes are released, they're released free.
have u played in KR/RU/JP?
If the game is enjoyable for you then why would you quit? Aren't you just upset because you can't play artist? I agree that amazon holding on classes is dumb, but if that's the last straw for you then you honestly should've just quit and play offline games because every online game does this. the difference here is you know what you know. Sometimes ignorance is a blessing.
You're probably one of the only content creators right now who is actually speaking out about how this roadmap is actually bad for the community, and I respect you for that. I'm so tired of this drip feeding bs and trust me many others are as well.
The streamers fan base players put in everyone's head that more is better cuz, you know, being a whale is the real thing or RMT for a 3 day ban it's not a big deal. I mean who really gives a shit about f2p players who did not even get to 1415 right? Bots are nothing compared with the amount outcry this community does every single second about everything. Even if you had the main class, you would've played your class for a bit and then you will be gone. I know at least 6 destroyer/ glavier mains in my guild that bitched over and over about their "unreleased main" that quit in less than a month. Elder ring, everyone and their mother's were playing, couple of weeks later they moved on, under 10k on twitch, same will be with "unreleased main classes". Dopamine chasers, instant gratification, shortcuts this is what gaming is right now. No effort, no patience, no resilience bc time is money yet with the money you cannot buy time.
@@vansitcodarring8855 who fuck those f2p players that is not 1415 yet. i mean they barely play the game ofc smilegate wouldnt count them as "active player". I have a friend that is pure f2p and he got to 1445 first week of valtan release. sounds hard right?
Most content creators depend on this game for their income so they arent gonna bash it and get ppl to quit playing.
@@gringoboy701 That's wrong bc a content creator cannot stick to a single game anymore unless it's well established or he has a god tier personality and expect to grow and even keep his audience, so what tends to happen is: they hop from game to game which is flavor of the month trying to get as much as possible and after they quit, any drama is basically free clicks bonus. Couple of million players have not make a dent in blizzard's decisions yet a couple thousands are everywhere on socials fueled by negativity they gather from streamers or personal experience that they cannot be at the same level or content as the people they watch.
you realize in korea it takes 6 months or more for classes to come out and if our version was the only version it would be the same or like other games even longer so why are you or anyone upset at 2 month per release if anyone disagrees with that is just wrong and delusional. if you arent ready for raids you 1. spend too much time other other things 2. arent efficient 3. have to be super busy irl. they have given so many mats with ark pass, events, login, challenge guardians, pvp mats, guild mats, daily and weekly stuff, alts. as for not playing cause your “main” (that majority of people havent played on a different version) you’re shooting yourself in the leg
Software Engineer here, I think it's a little disingenuous to assume all ASG/SG needs to do is just translate the content and we are good. It's already known we are running on an older code base of the game and SG is just patching together franken builds to get us our updates. There's nuance to the situation, where people should realize it does take a decent amount of work to integrate new content into an older build. Caveat is that we as the public don't really know the code base, so maybe it would be a simple copy paste to have a new class. Knowing development however, its most likely more complicated then the public realizes.
It's sad that we aren't getting a new class a month, but I'm not killing off the game because of it. I feel like it's kind of dumb to be dead set on having a main on a class without having experienced the class first. I can understand for veterans from other servers, but not for complete newbies. I learned this myself when I wanted to "main" Glaivier and started to pump her up over my original main, Deadeye. I eventually found out I enjoy my Deadeye way more then my new "main". People should temper their expectation a little bit and be realistic. Y'all may not love the unreleased class you wanted to main.
Yeah, I'm sure the artists will understand that the class they think they want to play is not for them in 2023.
I think they already are in the game files.
@@Silver2909 Loading in assets into their game DB doesn't make them useable or not buggy. It could just be as something simple like skin line X in the current system wasn't built yet for newer classes. Striker and Sorc are newer classes. So just an example of where we could get some issues. Striker and Sorc might have missing skin sets. So to make sure everyone gets a skin they go back in and have to come up with new skins. Also consider the new class that is drawing cards. The asset of the class can be in the game but maybe the function draw_random_card() might require the functionality of custom_random_number() which then might require this new package they installed on the kr servers called "Super random numbers". Now Im not a game dev, but when you have a game thats 80GB or something there is a ton of inner connections that you hope all works together. There are so many different configs and relations that go into a large scale game like this. If you want to feel better about the devs here go read through a few patches of the hot fixes and patches. Each one of those bugs had to be reported, found, then countless hours spent digging through configs and code. To then finally get approval showing that the fix won't break something else.
Best comment in this whole thread. Can't believe I found a logical thinking, level headed, adult.
@@Mushrakun you must not have read the comment. If you "picked your main", without ever playing it, that's dumb. Anyone who decided "their main" was gonna be THE NEWEST CLASS THEY HAVE IN KOREA, they are morons.
Here's the thing that people are missing. Content drought is coming, the content pipeline to catch up to the other versions is not infinite and there will come a point when we'll stop getting meaningful monthly updates and either start getting more minor monthly updates or a decreased cadence of meaningful updates as we get closer to the other versions. Spacing out class releases gives them something exciting to sprinkle in during those droughts.
Another thing to consider is the availability of power passes and express events. Do you really want a class every month if it means potentially more than half of them will not have any sort of catch-up event to help players quickly boost them up?
Plus, every MMO packages classes as a part of major updates/expansions so treating new classes as "content" is something fairly standard in the MMO industry.
No, f**k it. Release all classes at once with 1 power pass for Punika, and one Express event. What is the hard part? Translating letters? I mean, I make it sound simple, but probably we are playing on a different build than wat KR/RU has, and they are modifying things as much as possible to "better serve a sensitive western audience". All in all, I am at 1403 with enough mats saved to push for 1415, but I'm not going to do it, because I am a DPS with no static group to join, and good fucking luck finding one now. Its kinda pathetic that I can barely grasp my hands around Valtan, 2 weeks after release, and they bring another content edge that can only be done by whales and RMTers. Good fucking lord that's bad feeling.
The Korean version of the game seems to be doing great I don't see the problem in catching up asap.
The power pass situation would only apply to people that wanted to play every single new class and even if that was the case yes I would rather boost from t1 than wait 10 months.
Lost Ark does have new classes as content but that's not what this is. This is the equivalent of Blizzard releasing classic WoW but removing Paladin, Rogue and Warlock to release later on when they didn't have much content for the month. It's shit to have base classes in the game removed and held hostage for no reason. It's not a moba, characters aren't the games content.
maybe im minority but i don't think content 'drought' is a bad thing give me the classes i want to play.
They release Feiton pass and Express missions. So in theory they covered both new classes. Reality is they choose what new classes "we" select and when.
I was looking for any streamer actively playing Arcana on the net. Found a so called main Arcana player who happen to be streaming raid and he was playing... a Soulfist.
Tells something about the class. They are making 4 month gap to force this class on people. Thats the plan to make this class popular. Make em wait while 1 slot is waiting for another alt that can contribute to hone mats farming for main. Buy new slots when your favourite class comes to NA/EU.
When it comes to skins they are doing a sneaky thing yet again, coz when Tier1 and Tier2 armors were looking great on most classes at tier3 we get armors that doesn't look as eye appealing. Oh my, any warrior, after clearing Tier3 chaos dungeon look like colorful pidgeon. My soulfist look like my glavier which is dull green color plus socks and sandals. Glavier from tier2 golden outfit goes to poor looking "I haven't eaten in 3 days" soldier look.
Feels so bad. Instead of making skins that look so appealing they just make us want to buy any skin by making top tier armors look bad. Oh wait there was a free skin. Yes they changed world of dungeons and dragons and brutal chivalry into Sesame Street and Barney the Dino.
Well said, video is on point and I can't agree more. I know so many people that can't enjoy the game because they do not wish to play the game w/o their favourite class, not to mention being forced to play alts. Classes should be available as soon as possible, they are vessels after all. Ignore all the haters in the comments and stay true to the community. Cheers!
Preach my brotha
Staying true to the community doesn't mean this dude didn't just make doomer hot take click bait video. Alts are part of this game - if you feel forced maybe lost ark isn't for you.
I agree 100% with that statement as I am part of those people.
Amazing how literally nothing has changed since.
To be fair to Warframe, they have improved a lot of the new player experience. The MSQ is more "in the players face" so they know what to do next and the systems of course don't come all at once.
Yep, they’ve been doing good things with it lately, but it took years of the community begging for it to happen. Point being I totally understand them not wanting to dedicate time/money to it when the game mostly has a dedicated playerbase already that wouldn’t benefit much from it.
@@lowe2182 i quitted at level 9 because i get bored and theres no endgame content, there were new content but since the endgame dead i didnt even want to bother grinding
@@xionellashes7364 Also, every new update is mediocre as hell. And can't keep the current players playing for more than a week. I have no hope for the upcoming Tennocon. Just going to be the same thing that has occured the past year or 2. Cool stuff but trash when released.
I play on JP server, which has been out for almost 2 years. It is exactly as you predicted: if you start anew right now on JP server as I do, you won't have any random party dungeon / abyssal dungeon up until tier 3. The severs are not dead, it is just that everyone are at Tier 3 already with their main. The only way to by pass this issue is to be in a good guild to carry you through, as I do with my JP clan, or ask on chat for help, and you do get helps that ways from random players if nicely asked.
There is noone doing low tier abyssal dungeons in JP? In KR they still spamm them for Cards
but many jp server hate pvp so ranked system is empty
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@@WRSTxPumbaa The game is crazy popular in KR and there's more of a grind mindset over there.
That's a JP problem, it's the most dead region out of all of them.
@@dana-wc8ng no, JP is just dead.
Great video LOWE, hilarious as usual! The glasses bit made me bust up. I'd like to share some of my thoughts with regards to why I'll probably stop playing.
I've been trying to get into this game since launch, stalled on it for a while and then came back shortly after glavier launched. I've got a friend who's raiding in T3, and the content (combat) looks genuinely fun, but too much of the game consists of unfun chores I have to do in order to get the most out of my character and ultimately be accepted into endgame groups and such later down the road, to play the actual fun parts of the game. Skill point potions are one of the biggest offenders. All this side content that should be optional, something you want something else to do, are actually mandatory because they give skill points which you need in order to have an effective, optimal build later on. And you need a ton of them, so that means grinding out rapports, reputations, una tasks, islands, adventure tomes, etc. I could live with doing Islands, adventuring and sailing around, but the other stuff I have absolute zero desire to do whatsoever.
Then there's gear honing. There's nothing more deflating than spending a week grinding out things that are not fun, and on alts you may or may not want to play in the first place, in order to receive nothing for your time spent. Obviously this is meant to encourage card swiping (which I"m happy to say I've not done)!
The game has so much potential, honestly. I want to keep playing it, because the combat is so fun and the dungeons, raids, fight design makes me want to log in. But the game has so many ways of forcing me to do a ton of stuff I don't want to do so I can start having fun again. I've played MMORPGs for a long time so I'm no stranger to that concept, but as I've grown older I'm just not willing to deal with that anymore. I already have my chores and responsibilities to deal with IRL, I play games to escape from that and recharge.
Fair points. Grindy MMOs are tough for people irl that work or do other things so I understand that. That’s why games like valorant, league or whatever with no commitments are loved by general mass and MMO is more niche.
I don't know why you're playing a F2P MMO then. F2P games only benefit people with an excess of time or people with an excess of money. People in the middle try to convince themselves they like it, but they don't. The combat in the game is great but it's like D3. It's cool but after a while it's boring and repetitive. The difference though is that your armor sets in D3 do change how you play your character. In this game, only your engravings and tripods do, and they're cookie cutter.
Funny enough the class that sold me on this game was also the one that ruined my experience the most. It's a class with a ton of channels that bosses just move out of or can cast a whole ability that cc's before it even finishes.
Finally someone with the same opinion.... Actually agree in all of your points..
The catchup mechanics in this game are really well designed. Yes, there will not be many people in tier 1/2 everytime a new player will join, but remember, this is a heavy alt game so there will be couple of people doing that content. I personally don't want to bother anymore with T1/T2, but I always boost my guildmate alts and we always take some randoms to boost them. Right now, if a new player joins, he can get 1370 in one week, 2 weeks for casuals, which is huge already, so I don't see why do people complain about it... In the future you will be able to get even higher, like 1415 or so. Anyway, I'm on the same page with classes release, I really wanted scouter, but since we don't even have a release date and a class every 2 months feels really bad designed... I will stick with what I have right now. Hopefully we will get more mats in the future so we cam switch our mains one day for the class that we really want.
Failing honing has i failed you won t get too 1370 not even in a month :(
Good luck sitting in here for another year, waiting for that 1 class :)
Stay strong
@@lainstructure well by the end of the year NA will catch up to kr legion patches as well as all current classes, if people are paying attention to their pacing they'd know. Who cares, quit or wait bro
I literally have 5 alts, 3 of them are already Tier 3 and the other two...?
I don't even bother going into Tier 2 again. They get power passed or hyper boosted with Express.
@@ascend111 I already did, have fun in the game and stick to its downfall.
Enjoy
Yo I get you bro my job is sushi chef in Japanese restaurant I love lost ark but with my 350 hour in the game am 1372. The Problem is in Korea they have this game since 2018 and all content they have it’s been released slowly in way to people to catch up and enjoy in our release they rush and it’s a big mess. You are absolutely right about everything you said.
One guildmate rerolled regions two weeks ago, and is already Argos P3 ready. I feel Amazon is handing us honing mats pretty generously.
The class release schedule sucks though, depending on the order I might not see a new class that interests me until 2023.
thats hard cap, your friend is either a whale or the luckiest person in existance
@@postano9153 You seem to have forgotten about the amount of mats you get for your first character in a new region. All the island materials and the challenge rewards alone are sick combined with the super express mission and the Ark Pass, its insane. Stop accusing people when you have no idea thanks.
And yea Class release schedule sucks ass i think we can all agree on that.
@@blobblab3020 you seem to be delusional xD
@@blobblab3020 there is no extra mats for t3
@@postano9153 The challenge rewards and the entire ark pass do give t3 mats stop continue lying.
This whole "I cannot do it" and therefore anyone that does it must be a cheater, or in this example whale or "luckiest person" is so fkin toxic and wrong. just stop
Great video as always!
Edit: I hope you aren't too discouraged by the mixed reception, I appreciate your courage to openly talk about these issues. Your point about classes simply being a vessel to enjoy the same exact content is pertinent. Your talk about the questionable pacing yet again is even more so. Creating a long stretch of FOMO and tension to maximize the revenue may have unexpected costs down the line. We'll see.
As someone who plans to play or at least try all the new classes coming out, I like this change as it takes off some of the stress of having to level a class every single month and gives time to save. I do wish they would "unlock" the weapon skin boxes so we can get our classes matching skin when they release.
I do appreciate the honest perspective of the current state of the game. I played when the game first released and got to the second island just below level 50. I stopped there due to elden ring and poe. When I came back I noticed something different about the player base. A lot of duplicate characters running around.
To learn it was all bots the game felt dead. I’ve logged back in several times and recently as yesterday. Same situation still with the bots. I really wanted to have a game to sink my teeth into for awhile. It was Warframe at one time but I gave DE six years to make a change. I’ve lost interest as of now. Hopefully they turn it around before it’s to late.
Game not dead lmao 300k players
Been wanting too play scouter or summoner since I started months ago, very much let down knowing it won't be for min 4 months, kind of a low blow.
So as a new player will you guys help me in game? Seems like I might need it, but maybe I'll have a hard time getting it
"lets tlk about waframe" as someone whose "Favorite game" is warframe, that is EXACTLY how alot of us play it, we leave for a while and come back for the small bit of new content, grind for a week, and we're gone again.
"i want to play the game but where are my goals to grind towards"
^ this is how i feel about lost ark, i love the game, but where are my skins, mounts and pets to grind towards, the things that make the fun juices flow in my brain when im not working towards tedious endgame meta, where's the classes i see korea getting and thinking "damn, u release that rn and i'll make 5 different versions of the same class and grind out every single one of em".........
this "release it slow" is fuck all. give me the content u got me hyped for, it EXISTS. otherwise i'll just go boot up a vpn and weasel my way into the korean servers myself.
"It's an incredibly defeating feeling not being able to experience new content with the rest of the player base ..." Bro. how much percentage of the people you think is valtan ready at this moment? I would say 1-3%. I have 4 characters, each is in a different guild, just list your guild teammates by level. And yes, they are doing it like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey, to stimulate people to force ilvl spending cash. Simple, greedy logic. Are you surprised that game that has 13 different currency types, peons and is Korean "free" MMORPG, governed by a FUCKlN AMAZON would be shady, sly and greedy? Cmon.
If the guy in my friend circle that has a job, and healthy social life, manages to get to 1415 on Valtan release, im sure theres more than 1-3%. Pretty sure on release theres been between 10-20% that were able to do it. They even said it was about 7x as many people ready for it, compared to argos.
Slowing class releases won’t bring in new players. HOWEVER increasing their release will only SLOW player progression. When a new class comes out, people hoard/stockup materials. This increases demand for mats and decreases supply of them. This ultimately slows everybody’s progression. Instead of honing, they’re hoarding/selling mats for gold (prices are high, why not sell?) When Amazon see’s that people have not reached a high enough ilvl, they might delay the next raid just like valtan, in fear of another Argos situation. This game is a commitment-type game, but just becuz you commit, doesn’t mean you get to valtan in a week. You still gotta play the game.
This game also slows down progression for high ilvl players. This allows new player to catch up becuz I’m not gonna out-hone/ progress faster than someone who’s at 1340. This is fact. People in other servers have started a year after their region server launched and have eventually caught up to the endgame players.
I also don’t think it’s fair to global players if we get a power pass every patch/super often. Other regions did not get this. It would make it seem like we were spoon fed while they actually had to grind
But they did get with all classes a pass, we want fast catch up to kr so should get a pass to every class.
They can give us a pass they just dont want to cause amazon greed
Kr also gets 2 free punika pass for every new player before even login into the game
The logic that it isn't fair for global players if we get power pass super often is flawed. One, they did get it on every character class release and two, they are way ahead of us now why would they care about the fairness of it all? It's like saying let's not make the game more accessible for the newcomers because the veterans had to go through that shit
@@darthran Yea give every new player a powerpass to t3. It's not like the time you spent playing till you get there teaches you the basics of the game or anything. I absolutely want people who don't know what a stagger check is or how a counter works in my mechanically challenging raids. It's bad enough how many people don't actually think what they are doing already.
@@yoone4830 They give free passes, BUT they had long periods between every new class, so it wont hurt give some passes. We are getting this speedy content to catch up, but at this point give passes every new character is a lot of money down the sink.
They will probably giving one pass every two characters. We had a pass with Glaivier then no passes for destroyer, they will give a pass for Arcana and probably no pass for the next one.
Bots are happy, so Amazon is happy, we all know WHO runs those bots behind scenes at this point "x-files theme"
Honestly sell powerpasses to T3. Casuals should be at 1385 where everyone should have a 3x3 which makes makes character feel stronger and fun to play. Majority of the player base below T3 are missing out. KR version has better catch up mechs that any new player can catchup to a pretty high gear score with content to do
The catchups are good imo, since it helps bring new players up to a level where they can already start working on alts. The game is fun if u play at your own pace, and have a guild that is casual.
But that is just my own opinions tho~
I don't agree. The most fun part are the legion raids. everything is just straight up intelligence and skill insulting bullshit loot pinata content.
Locking out 90% of your playerbase of even the NORMAL version is just beyond me. Why is there hard modes, if not even the most regular f2p players can reach the normal modes. Only lucky people who played from day 1 are in that range. Every week counted for them and I had a 7 week break after hitting t3@ launch and I fucking blasted for 8 weeks now on 6 t3 characters trying to reach 1415, including the full premium ark pass juice. I am 1410 and all my bonus honing mats for the whole week are already gone. It's back to two taps every day for 7 days playing mindnumbingly boring content day in, day out. And that is the huge problem: The legion raids are the only fun content. There is nothing else close to it, except for pvp, which I play over 80 matches a week already.
@@Nyver253 KR is reworking Power Passes, but you could buy Punika Powerpasses from the start. Also we have the Express not Hyper Express Event, and that works on any Character Lv50 and below ilv1000 which gets you to T3 within a week easily. KR also has +2 on every upgrade for T1/2 which we dont have yet either.
Youre flying by T1/2 really really fast the longer the game goes on.
there is many things we agree about like the classes, honing rates is really stupid we can't buy from the auction house cuz of the pheons people selling stuff like we're sitting on millions of gold and bots making even harder on casual players never the less the exchange of blue crystals is really pricey most of us forced to play alts its really frustrating
I agree with some of this but if you feel "forced" to play alts this is not the game for and it may never be.
@@Fade2Black907 I completely agree but for me am forced to play alts cuz the amount to upgrade one item is ridiculously high
U are not forced to play alts that is how works the game if u expect other thing its not your game or start spending money
I hate that we can't catch up when we change mains or when people just started now. It takes months while your friends keep progressing. My GF switched class to Bard when her mage was like 1393 and she just arrived at 1415 after I gave her anything I got while she was farming too. Imagine how it is in a few months when New classes arrive. I wanted to play Destroyer but no chance to keep up with my static then.
I stopped playing because the game doesn’t want me to play it honestly. Hard crashes, random game crashes, and bugged zones that required me to talk to live assistance to get my character “unstuck” from wherever she was. Most of my guild quit so there wasn’t much reason to kick around what with V Rising coming out.
500 hours into the game, started a week after launch, $40 spent on gold + battle pass. Main is 1405 with 3 t3 alts, how are people getting to 1445-1460 so fast besides rmt? Or am I just really unlucky
Free to play life man. I'm 1415 same boat. The whales and no life nerds will always be way ahead. It's no problem - take it at your own pace an enjoy.
@@janos9969 Horse shit lol.
Dude everyone is using rmt. People at 1445 saying they haven’t are lying. You can do the math in 5 minutes and the amount of mats to reach that ilvl that fast only comes from an army of alts or spending money.
I can see someone with 1200 hours being that ilvl f2p but holy thats 10+ hours a day on a fucking grind loop.
You have to be insane or a teenager to play like that.
Adrian DJ I don’t even know how to RMT. Completely F2P, main Paladin is 1445, 1 alt at 1400, one alt at 1370 and 2 more at 1340. Roughly 1000 hours, and I’d bet somewhere around 650 honing fails. Got the rusty title quite a while ago.
i got 1420,1415,1370 and 3 at 1340. 700+ hours i imagine i could've kept the 1415 at 1385 and probably got the 1420 to 1445 by now . only purchased bronze founder. its possible with f2p with lot of hours or just focusing on 1 character
Another problem with not releasing classes faster is that every event we get 70% of stuff is usable for T1, T2 (mats+books) and T3 (books till 1370).
They need to add other and new avenues for new players to progress and reach endgame. One of the worst parts of Loat Ark so far is trying catch up new characters/alts to your mains level is a such a drag going through the exact same story line for the 4th or 5th time.
Just use memory machine to do that. With powerpasses ( one we sitten and one punika one on future) you only need to do stories 2 of 3 times total.
@@maurilehtikangas6102 some people just want the game to be something it isn't. They will most likely quit or have already.
Dont talk shit like that please. This game is giving so much for free and minimal effort. Of course honing system isnt ideal but you got powerpass, express pass, lost ark pass, islands, events, guardian trials, soon abyss trials, south vern etc. Its so much free mechanics to catch up. Dont be hypocritic.
Lol what? We are the most F2P friendly region, and currently any new player can basically get 2 characters to T3 for free very quickly (Event pass and Power Pass to 960), then you have an event going on to get free mats and books (Wild Wing), you get a ton of mats from Chaos Line, login rewards, and the Ark Pass. They don't really need new avenues to catch up. They're definitely in the game. People just want 6 T3 alts while barely playing lol.
XD i didnt know there was 19 others who are glad that arcanist is coming out! Love your content, its always fun to hear you talk about ags with depressed voice, take care!
Also, they are censoring people on the forums and censoring posts, it just shows how sad they are as a game company
You're not close to Valtan normal? With the amount of materials in the Chaos Line, Anguished Isle, the Chicken Event, the Ark Pass (free), dailies, weeklies, guild shop, etc you should be there even if you only play ONE character and no alts.
what ilvl are you?
I do agree though it does suck starting the game, and not having anyone to do T1 or T2 content with. It feels really lonely. Even on my T1 Alt it takes FOREVER to find someone to do the guardian raids with.
Also, the "I can't wait to do this with random people" for challenge abyssal raids is a bad feeling. Have you tried to find a group to play with? I have my IRL group of friends I play with, but I've also found a dozen or so randoms via Discord that make the game super enjoyable for me. I'd definitely recommend that.
Idk, that part of the video I was super surprised with, they are throwing so many mats at us, what the hell was he doing to be so low ilevel? Unless of course he doesn't play much, which is fine, but at that point why is he complaining?
@@rdom9680 Dude you aren't 1490 yet ?
Everyone who I know is 1490 !!
Why are you even participating into comment sections, get a grip and go farm you noob. Gonna show you to my friends for not being 1490 yet ! KEKW
@@lainstructure What are you even talking about? xd
what they should have done is release 2 classes every two months with one power pass
Finally a content creator with a take I feel is not biased. I play more than the average player and the thought of running the honing treadmill for a few pieces off gear on a character I don't really want to play ( waiting on artist and summoner) just killed my desire to play anymore. This road map release is so lack luster and underwhelming I can't even be bothered to run dailies any more...for what.
But what if those 2 classes come out and you don't enjoy them? I thought I would love playing destroyer but deleted him yesterday. I don't understand how people pick a main before playing it.
the good part of not releasing reaper is that theres not gonna be a high increase in raid disbands and no one can cry that they cant find a group for legionraids, the bad part is I wanted to do it intentionally just for fun to stay true to the memes
Game is already on life support lol and this announcement is probably nail in the coffin for many. Game is 60-70% bots too and nothing is being done.
If they think Im going wait for 2023 to play the class Im interested in they are insane
Keep in mind Goldriver said he would be fine with 40-50k whales and no lifers. The bots will take care of the economy.
It was the plan for the start. Streamer overhyped the hell out of this game, once people realized it was a gotcha mobile game masquerading as an mmo the majority bailed.
The only people left are whales, no lifers, people gripped by sunken cost and bots. Bots are easily over half of the player numbers and I would put money on them being 60-70%.
Ty for existing 🙏 felt like I was doing a 1 v 100 Arcana white knights
Apologize for all the ranting? Lowe my guy you are 100% right about everything that you've said. 1 class / 2 months is the dumbest fing thing they've done so far. Not getting powerpasses with every class and going through T1/T2 content with the dumbest ppl I have ever seen in an mmorpg is a freaking nightmare.. The only reason why I've pushed a class to 1460 that I won't be even playing with after scouter release is just a pain in the ass I already have 7 other characters in T3 1340/1370 just so I can farm a shit load of honing materials to be able to get my future main to 1430ish to be able to kill normal vykas at least, but well I will have to wait 'til 2023 at this point...
I stopped playing a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't super hardcore but probably a bit more than the average player. I just could see myself doing this game's progration any more.
But, I actually like your videos so I'll keep watching them.
Also, 5:39 ... What a flex.... LOL
i do agree with you buddy. But about one point the day they realise Artist i alrdy got enough mat to push her through tier 3 without a pass. Though doing for the X th times the leveling even if its a good one for a mmo gonna be rude.
I dont understand WHY I have to get my main to a certain level BEFORE I can try another class its sad and why I quit but i love listening to your videos man so ty.Make your bed son you will feel better at night with a fresh set lol.
This is not a game for casuals. the games cadence is catered towards people who play every single day for at least 2 hours and yes 90% of those people are all beyond 1415 now. this is a resource and time management heavy game. THAT DOESNT MEAN the casuals wont get to the current content though they will eventually but they will be months behind and by the time they reach there most people already know the fight youll be in.so it would pretty much be easy for a new player to clear the legion raids as a casual.
Worst roadmap I've seen in a video game. Lies, deception, disappointments, Amazon is going strong.
@@janos9969 Actually, I have. But Blizzard disappoints in the long run. This is way quicker.
June/july roadmap just killed off my interest in the game and I was getting really passionate about this game. I'm not gonna wait a whole fking year for the class I want to main to be released (artist - which was the whole reason I even tried out the game in the first place) and the only other 2 classes I want to play are also gonna take 6-8 months to even be added into the game. yea this ain't it.
Not a surprise here. I'm very glad I decided not to get this game at the last minute. Amazon killed New World, and now it is killing Lost Ark. Further proof that AGS is absolute shit and needs to be shutdown. They have literally NEVER developed or published a successful game. Amazon needs to stick to what is does best and stop attempting to publish/develop games.
You're saying Lost Ark isn't successful?
summoner was fun during beta, can't wait to play it again in 2025
i think its a lil different in Lost Ark. To be fair there is quite a bit of new players playing Lost Ark every major patch in KR. I'm sure having more classes will have more playerbase, but for people who starts later will start with hyper express probably which semi-solves the problem of him talking about "people who's just starting and onto that journey to lvl 50" since you'd most likely use a punika pass and then a hyperexpress to quickly push your character to 1415 later down the line
Me, an on and off Maplestory player: *looks at Yoz's Jar* KEKW oh no no.
I dont think Vykas is too fast. They didnt mention Clown Raid within 2 Months either, so it looks like they pushed Vykas so people can finish their Relic Sets. And going from 1415->1430 isnt that big of a jump.
But i do understand the feeling of not experiencing it when it comes out. But that‘ll happen right now, simply because we‘re playing catchup. Once we slow down because we‘re closer to up to date, people will go up easier and be able to do stuff on release alot easier.
I also understand that people feel annoyed with Classes, but it feels like most of them wouldnt have played the game much anyway. A big part of people that said they want to main Glavier and when is glavier coming, quit her by now because they dont like her. Still sucks that they drip feed the Classes. I get the skins, i get the raids, but they couldve done the classes atleast.
you know what the early game conent is a lot of fun when you're not on a rat race, everyone is rushing to the so called "good end game content" by skipping 99% of good early content, the only reason if felt boring to level up is because we were trying to rush & catch up, if you do the story to chill and have fun you'll discover it's really good!
Please don't change! The fact that you didn't even make your bed let's me know this is my kind of channel.
Preach Brother! can't wait for the NO STRONGHOLD HONNING REASERCH video.
I think the roadmap is solid.
Ofc. Id wish for artist or scouter but i can understand their longterm business decision. Most likely they'll bring punika or southvern powerpass with scouter or artist. I have 10x t3 chars with 3x valtan and 3x argos p3 as f2p.
I wrote a post on this on the forums..a month ago. I was talking into the abyss.
More RNG (loot boxes) in a game that already has insane RNG…Zeals already said he’s lost hundreds of €$¥ to the shitty system so f the ppl who wanted more new “better” skins. Yes you’ll prob be able to buy them of thr AH but i bet only whales will only be able to afford them. Man if i wanted to play more gacha games i would just go back to maining games like PGR, Genshin or Honkai. I put + thousands of hours into Warframe and that game is a prime example of good f2p can be (game respects the time you put in) while getting value for your money if you decide to spend. You are literally able to farm EVERYTHING (minus prime cosmetics).
Not ranting, but the damn Truth. You got it spot on!! Amazon is killing the game, why do you think Gold River left all the sudden? He saw what's coming!! Oh yeah, I feel you, tier 1 and 2 are ghost towns, I'm leveling a Gunslinger, and other than those teleporting Berks and Sorcs, it's just me!! Hate it!!!
Thankyou for making this. You put out my frustration in really nice and well structured sentences. Amazon can turn this around, they just need more of your guidance!!
They won’t.
Amazon has no control over anything. It's Smilegate. Stop scapegoating AGS.
you need to fix society first then fix amazon lol so that's never going to happen.
And as of now, with the game full of bots and hundreds of other unsolved problems, they announce that they'll censor Artist's costume designs to be more "Western standard" 🤣
They should give us Hyper Express - 1302-1415 express with tons of mats and other shet as completion rewards at each checkpoints with huge juice at 1415. (edit - next thing that already exist in other versions)
One of the best and honest videos I watched recently. Ty
Whew, look I'm happy because I was anticipating Destroyer as a potential main, and I really love it so far. But my sis! Is playing a Bard right now, she likes support, but she wants Artist because they have a cute aesthetic and has noooo idea how much time she is going to waste on Bard while waiting.
First point: Releasing a new class every 2 months is a way better deal than KR players had.
Second point: If you are not able to progress because you lack time that's normal because this is a Korean MMO and we all knew what we were getting into, same for your friends, weak.
I mean I get your points but this isn't Amazon's doing, we are getting things at a higher pace than KR did, hands down. So I don't think Amazon is killing anything it's just that the game isn't made for everyone and certaintly not the average western player. The translations do suck tho.
The only large issue that will likely persist in this game is the botting. In my years of playing mmos since 2004 free or not, I don't think I have seen a more out of control botting dilemma. It gives the game a horrible impression for a new player.
Not that I care to much about it but we are getting an Accelerated Release version of the game. To catch up with Korean Content as best as we can. They even stated this. Comparing to KR is kind of pointless. They could also just do 2 classes every 2 months (2 at once) and people wouldn't bat an eye. People are upset because they went from 1 a month (So roughly 7 months for all classes to release) to 1 every 2. With 2 out of the way that's still 10 months for us to now catch up in classes. With Artist being last. KR is also getting a new class and female berserker eventually. So add another 4 months to the time frame. I just think people feel cheated by AGS/SG with this release system. Since we will most likely catch up with raids with KR before classes with this release schedule (If they keep the same kind of pace with raids)
Adding to your first point: if people don’t want to play because they don’t have their class, they can come back and there’ll probably be catch up mechs anyways.
I’m fully agreeing with your second point. This game is supposed to be grindy. All MMOs are. This persons argument on having 2 jobs and feeling like it’s too fast or w/e is obviously because they’re grinding irl and not in game. Simple as that, put more hours to get ahead.
My personal experience: I’m 1475, 1370 x5 and putting 3-4 hours daily. Weekends more to do weekly things. I don’t have to do this but I wouldn’t be where I’m at currently. Probably half the alts and like 1445 or something(I did buy $50 founder and 15$ battlepass). I’m saying this because I work 8 hrs daily and the reason I’m caught up is because I put the hours in. Even for my f2p friends, they probably play like 1-3 hours daily now or less and they’re at 1445+ with 1370 alts(put more time in the beginning ofc).
@@emmusing Must be nice to get hones going XD. Im stuck around 1393 on my DB and 1387 on my Glavier. I ran out of mats finally after failing til 100% on like 8 pieces in a row. My buddy who has played almost the same time as I have is already 1420 :( Im not upset or anything about it but just unlucky. Just gonna keep going. FOMO dont really bother me anyways.
If you dont mind me asking you to read my other reply Im curious on your thoughts about it. Since you agree with OPs first point. Just curious.
@@mattyeye8176 regarding your comment on class releases, I don’t really care too much but I understand the people that have been waiting and now have to wait longer causing some to quit. Like I said before, they can always quit now and come back later with catchup mechs if they do please. If they move on to another game, so be it. Although
I do feel like Amazon could release classes very month but it is what it is.
I mean the reason I'm not playing LA right now is because I want to play Scouter but its looking like I'm not gonna see that class until next year
Appreciate the honesty and outlook from your angle. Not many people will speak their mind in fear of backlash. Ty sir
I'm not sure statements diminishing people waiting for any class, Arcana in this case, are the way to go. I personally wait for this class and I know other people who do wait for it as well. Maybe this class isn't popular, but so what? In EU/NA I see lots of Sorcs, it is popular but became boring and predictable.
Can relate, I know this is meant to be a slow ass progression til you get to the fun part, but I don't know if that is all so well.
The biggest problem for me after 750 hours is I still can't do Valtan normal. After today's reset I have hit 1410 after a session burning through 380 GHLs to upgrade my shoulders from +14 to +15 @ 82% artisan ( = around 28 taps with >0< hits and a full pity and soon pity). Not even mentioning the pure gold that got hammered into oblivion.
The rng aspect of progressing through the game is just no fun. Even if I succeed a hone, I feel no happiness, no rush, I feel nothing, because it is just fucking annoying, because it locks me out of content. Give the whale all the power and bragging rights, I really dont fucking care, but you need to let me play the game.
The RNG should be softened up until you hit the normal mode of the most current raid. That means 1415 for current and 1430 for next patch with vykass.
You can gate the power behind all the grind and ressources you want, but do not bar me the entry to literally the only fun and engaging content in the game.
And this is the next big problem. The daily grind and slog is so fucking mindnumbingly boring and insulting to do across 6+ characters, I just wanna log off after my 3rd character with 3 more to go.
In addition, I play on the botinfested EUC region. The only people left playing here, are the RMTers and the consequence is, that it is impossible between honing and other expenses
to afford ANY accessory with grudge, CD or KB. Any combination of those, no matter the quality or if it is 1370 3/3 costs 7k bare minimum with 60qual.
I can't even imagining starting all of this from scratch or going through this as a new player and I didnt even hit the first goal post after all that time and grind.
i have a 1420 and 1415, have been clearing valtan since it released. The grind is the same brain numbing grind except once a week you do valtan , today was 1 pull both gate 1 and g2 . which was maybe 30min of gameplay. KR the game is probably a lot more fun since they can ignore dailies and just do 3 raids per week. but NA EU sucks in comparison. Valtan is fun but after a few weeks its just another piece that gets farmed with little thought power. I honestly think the whole game will be like this. Grind hundreds of hours to enjoy a new raid for a handful of clears and then it gets dull. I hope I'm wrong because the combat is fun.
Great video. I'm one of those people who stopped playing a few weeks after release. I logged in last week to check out what's changed and thought trying Glavier might make it fun again, but then I saw there was no Power Pass and the thought of doing 200 hours of main story quest all over again made me throw up and I logged right back out. It's a bummer they don't try and KEEP people. I'd like to be kept. Power Pass should be available 24/7, it's not giving you anything you haven't already completed, makes them money, and the way the game is designed there is very little chance of being able to only play one character, so why not let us Power Pass alts if we want since they make us have alts. Anywho just my 2 cents, great video.
Hey so there is actually a system called knowledge transfer in your stronghold that allows you to pay like 600 gold to skip a character to level 50, might be worth checking into if you wanted to play again
@@afroshikamaru3935 Great advice. I ended up pushing my top character through Feiton and received a Feiton powerpass, which was enough to make it seem not such a chore to switch. I'm giving it another go!
Summoner did not come up on launch and is yet to come to the NA EU VERSION due to the upcoming rework of the class .
First off, thanks for the gatcha skin system warning.
One thing you pointed out is the FOMO aspect and you having no one to do old content with. Completely agree there with you.
My story is similar to yours: I attend university, have a job and recently started exercising due to newly acquired health problems coming from sitting too much in front of the desk/computer. All this equals very little play time. I reached 1400 which, yeah, is nice and all but I won't see Valtan, even less Vykas in a looong time.
The problem here that I think many don't understand isn't just FOMO, it's literally the theft of fun and actual lack of people to play with. One example is my alt. While I was going through tier 2 content and went into the abyss dungeon, high geared to people joined and cleared everything in 1min. Sounds great on paper but that basically makes the abyss dungeon another boring chore. You don't experience mechanics, the struggle or people who give you a sense of camaraderie.
Another point is the gold. Many items acquired from day 1 - 10 new content get sold for massive gold. I know some people who secure their gold for a long time with this. You, as someone with irl stuff to do, won't be able to do this. Honestly for me this is too fast and a letdown. My guild which started as casual now accepts no one under 1400. I'll probably be kicked out in a month or two. Not whining or anything but giving out content for 1460 while making the way to that ilvl extremely hard and expensive only benefits people who play all day or invest huge amounts of real money.
Idk I really like the game but every day I get more and more discouraged to play it.
anyone else feeling burnt out from this game? the dailies started to get dry after getting my second character to argos. yeah there are things to work toward: higher ilvl to do more content, new areas and islands to complete. felt too formulaic / repetitive but i guess that's the state of the mmo genre as a whole at this point. either way im taking a break lol.
I think dailies themselves are player burning content tbh. Being forced to repeat the same tasks every day just gets dreadful fast. That said LA's dailies lack variaty even when compared to other korean mmos. I mean unas and chaos are just mindless. And unfortunately those are what we mostly do.
You know what's funny if they didn't want to give so many power passes they could just release 2 classes every 3 months at the same time so you bring in content and power passes and it's still a better system than getting 2 classes in 4 months, but hey they want to milk money so of course they can't do that they haven't even implemented the honing buff which should've been in the game with argos release 🤷♂️
Game is bleeding players, and no new players are coming to replace lost players. I mean if your a new player and you see nothing but bots on the starter areas, why the hell would you continue playing.
I won't say that AGS is horrible but they certainly seem incompetent. Reminds me of the old days of Nexon's antics and general inability to address things as desired by the community. I know that they don't control the ultimate fate of lost ark as that is within Smilegate's domain, yet I still remember how Trion effortlessly fucked up archeage's western release despite the game being well liked.
Personally, i dont recommend this game to any of my friends. I’ve been playing since day one and the only reason why i have been fortunate to keep close to new content is due to whales buying stuff off the auction/market. I’ve been grinding and selling tradable mats/leap stones/jewerly since day 1 every day to make gold. Its already stressful enough trying to keep up so i cant imagine what free-to-play, new players, or casual players are feeling. Anyone who says that these express passes are going to help new players are wrong. Its only giving the current players another alt to feed more mats to their main. This game is too stressful and time consuming for the majority of people who actually have a life. I honestly wished I never played this game. Its only going to get worse going forward just to play new content. Honing success rates get lower the higher you are.
Honing will be the death of me.
Playing 3 Characters literally takes an hour a day roughly and youre easily staying up there to do new content on release. Not to mention, while yes Honing chances go down, content also slows down. We have a Month from 1415 -> 1430 but we‘ll have probably 3 Months for 1430 -> 1475 and Clown also has an easier mode that rewards upgrade mats to help with the push.
Dont know why youre stressing over permanent content anyway
how is it stressful at all? i have 3 alts and doing everything i need to takes 1hour maybe an hour and a half at most. After valtan 1415 you hit the 1430 mark is only a few upgrades 1445-1460 is also only a few upgrades and then you get another honing buff for alts. everything is now just a few upgrades away and far from feeling like a job. If you're feeling that way you're doing something wrong. I've been able to do valtan and i play very little lost ark and play alot of valorant lol. You're clearly doing something wrong.
I think most of the players are hanging there just waiting for someone new come up (a new MMO or something more fun ) once that happens to think the vast majority of f2p or casual will leave LA for good, I did whale a bit with Ark pass also tried farm chaso 1 month, but tbh I can't see myself keep going on zombie mode or whale mode for kuku or later on those contents.
decided to take my glavier through little bit at a time do it from start to finishing catching all that I missed before ... got my yellow lady bug so now have all colours to play with... but must say the amount of people at the beginning is very shockingly low in the one section I am now I have seen one other person. So anything with a group that is needed this poor little lady is gonna be screwed .... have a huge feeling this will not be a long term game I am not an end game junkie I am a playing the game junkie but if you have no one to play with not very fun.... for now I am playing but three months from now cannot say I will be
It would be nice if they made the honing rate and exp from the express mission permanent going forward since T1 and T2 content is empty and boring even the first time through.
Right now I just login to do dailies and weeklies, slowly progress alts, etc. I will play more when I hit those ilvls later on. Knowing that there will be other catch up mechanics coming helps with fomo and burn out IMO.
disagree on t1 being boring, brelshaza is sick as fuck (cooler pre nerfs but still a great dungeon)
I've been actively playing Lost Ark since release (750 hours). I have a hard time being engaged in a game. I used to think 100 hours was the maximum I could enjoy a game for, since this was the case for games I really enjoyed like Souls games and Horizon. When this roadmap came out I thought it sounded fine, that classes can be content, I have not been able to look into my Glaivier much at all. When Destroyer came out it was with so much other content that I was excited for, I didn't think of creating one, especially not without a powerpass.
What I want to get to here is that I think spreading out class releases isn't the most dumb thing, but then I realized we are missing 6 classes from Korea, that is 1 YEAR. That is such a long time. Who in a year will be excited for a class that we've known will be coming since release of the game. Think about all the complaining we have been through at that point, the class missing will be meme'd to death.
I'm impressed if I'm still playing this game after summer. I sure hope I do, but as a gamer who tries new games all the time they need to keep up with the content.
You have good points, but I'd argue that many disagree with most of them.
this guys attitude towards today's game market has been my attitude for 8 years. where did all the fun and ingenuity go? each of these guys is lasts years game with the same old scam market attached.
Shit, seems Amazon killed this channel, too~
I told you even before Lost Ark was released and still playing New World.
I said "if Smilegates teamed up with Amazon, then Lost Ark would be bad"
Amazon isn't good at managing games, which e-commerce is turning to gaming?
it's better if they focus on the online store instead of taking care of the games, any game that Amazon holds is doomed, nothing works.
as of this moment, nearly 80% of the Lost Ark player population were bots.
I also play Lost Ark Korea, but I rarely see bots there, Smilegates will be permanently banned if they find a bot.
Unlike Smilegates, Amazon doesn't seem to care about bots even though there have been many bot reports on the Forums.
you could say, in Korea 99.9% are real players, 0.01% are bots, because not necessarily in a month I find bots in Korea.
but can you imagine, 1.3 million players in Lost Ark Global, and 80% of them are bots? totally unreasonable
You're right, those who are behind and are f2p will never catch up and experience the end game because they'll be left with only busses and quitters. This game only caters to the whalers, and the f2pers are simply there to assist in creating the economy the whalers need.
the slow class release cycle is for increased monetization, i wouldnt focus on it too much. Most mmo's only release a new class every few years.
I also don't get you calling the release cadence barebones, I think the pace is fine so far/has a good amount of content.
Catch up mechanics will be implemented so new players will have easier time catching up.Having new class every month is only beneficial for people that waiting for certain class which is loud minority I rather have new class every 2 months with powerpass than 1 every month without powerpass
More carrots on sticks to push people to catch up and keep using their wonderful honing system and hopefully be compelled to spend real money.
need to give us even more mats than we are getting or fix some of that honing rng for the 1400 plus push. Even bettter make mats account bound instead of character and solve a lot of issues that way.
its ok to rant
Im with you dad.
Lostark becomes lost characters
Classes coming out every 2 months is no big deal we are getting classes out faster then Japan and Russia did. Most people don’t know how to battle items. The reason they brought destroyer out so fast was to help with stagger checks once hard content is out valton is training wheels boss. Once Brelshaza is out we’re have no legion raids for a good 8 months plus so people can caught up or pay for a bus run.
I couldn't agree more!! I can't stand how they do things, and I've spent hundreds of dollars because I was so pumped, I've recently quit playing because the characters I want to main isn't released and no release date in sight. So I've decided to wait until ALL characters are released, and if I decide to play than maybe I will, but they've destroyed this game with how they're releasing content. They've destroyed this game soley because of GREED!
I agree the new player experience will get worse over time, but the amount of new players that know nothing about the game will always outnumber the few who 'refuse to play with their class'.
I see so often Gamers underestimating casual players; anyone who doesn't play and gets a whiff of the game will see new 'stuff' (debatably content) being added each month.
You have to understand that the knowledge that LostArk was released (and has all this 'content sitting there ready') in separate regions prior to West, puts you in an exorbitantly low percentile of players.
Anyone who's played near launch, is likely still playing. People starting now and in the future, will more than likely be recommended the game by others (IRL friends, casual youtube/twitch, advertising) and have a 'support system' when it comes to entering Tier 1 content alone.
Funnily enough I think it's the best way to handle 'live service' in that we do already have a preview of what's coming.
Once, if ever, we reach global feature parity, the amount of panic when it comes to not knowing the next steps of the development of the game will be deafening.
LostArk forums and social spaces are already plagued with "I've played 1000 hours, there's nothing to do", aka 'I don't want to play the game anymore' and those people are more likely to return in months once their steam has cooled, versus adding all the content now and getting plagued with "I've already played 1500 hours, there's nothing to do"
Yeah no this is bullshit.
Most people don't just randomly install a 40+ gig mmo and willy nilly pick a class that looks nice on the character creation screen, then spend 50 hours in a dreadful single player experience without doing any research.
ALL story dungeons are absolutely empty, a new player that just randomly started the game will likely have to spend some 20+ hours of awful single player before they even get to their first guardian and abyssal dungeon, most of those players will likely drop the game long before that, like my whole friend group did; so the only people staying around to play 1000 hours are the ones that actually researched the game.
By time the class I've been waiting for comes out I won't be even interested in playing anymore.. oh wait..
Future classes should get a Punika Powerpass.