The SEC does NOT need FSU, Clemson in realignment. The Big 10 might l College Football Podcast
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- The SEC mantra has always been "it just means more" as they've dominated recruiting, national championships, and NFL Draft selections. That has paid off as they are in a stronger position in conference realignment than most may even realize.
On today's episode of Locked On College Football, Spencer McLaughlin is joined by 'Locked On Huskies' host Roman Tomashoff. Has Washington's transfer portal class been flying under the radar as they head into the Big 10? 11:30
'Locked On Big 12' host Drake Toll also stops by to talk about West Virginia. Speaking of "under the radar", the Mountaineers are off a 9-win season going into a relatively open conference title hunt in the Big 12 this year. 21:25
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The SEC does NOT need FSU, Clemson in realignment. The Big 10 might
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If the SEC doesn't add FSU and Clemson, it will hurt in the long run. As the Big 10 expands to 24 eventually, the SEC is going to fall behind in the inventory for media. They will eventually need to expand to keep their media deal equal to the Big 10, there will not be any teams in the area of the quality they want.
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I'd heard this argument before and didn't really agree but I think I now do. You'll want to control at least a similar amount of inventory... and you'll want to be relevant in more markets and states than the SEC already is... (though Clemson and FSU do not help in that second item).
@@benjaminhawkes6693 they help comparatively. Barry Switzer used to talk about piling up more talent than he could utilize (pre-scholarship era) that he didn’t care if a kid was buried on the depth chart as long as he could keep him away from a rival it was a win.
@@benjaminhawkes6693most FSU fans want to go to the Big 10 anyways , if the SEC wants to let Big 10 into there market with all that money go ahead
@@benjaminhawkes6693they help in the sense that the Big 10 will not be able to get into their media market.
SEC with ESPN backing might have financial issues in the future. ESPN is up for sale, layoffs and budget cuts. FSU TV ratings would rank very highly in the SEC BTW. Short sighted SEC fans might not like that.
ESPN is not for sale. Disney explored selling ABC but did not. There are no coming layoffs at espn.
@@mikem67 it is amazing that people will just regurgitate what they read or hear without thought or confirmation.
I really wish everyone would have left college football alone. What a mess it is. College football is ruined. Many people will probably become dis interested and stop watching. I will only watch my team now. To heck with all the others. It is gone as far as I am concerned. Money wins, fans lose.
Disney is losing money. The ONLY profitable division of Disney is the Parks. ESPN is a money loser. Disney is looking for a sucker to take ESPN off its hands. Anyone counting on ESecPN to increase its payouts is just as foolish as Disney is to own ESecPN. The Feds require Disney to publish ESecPN's financials, to protect anyone foolish enough to think about giving their money away.
@@mikem67No coming layoffs at ESPN? Can we quote you on that? That’s not going to age well.
It's nonsensical to suggest that the SEC doesn't "need" FSU and Clemson. Of course it can be argued that their football product is just fine without them, but the SEC has a goal of maintaining a regional monopoly. That implies that any university that could go to the B10 becomes a priority for the SEC.
Having said all that, FSU does seem likely to go to the B10.
I suspect that the SEC would be fine with FSU withering on a B1G island, but I do agree on the general strategy of focusing on the schools of high shared interest with the B1G (which doesn't really include CLEMSON).
This!!!!! Right on the mark about the SEC and how the fans feel! The only thing I would add is when people do talk about expansion. They say we should get the last 2 states in the south, N Carolina and Virginia. That’s why they are the focus of the SEC now.
I love what the SEC is doing with geography. I also like what the B1G is doing as well. Different but both successful.
The SEC isn't about geography. They wouldn't have added Missouri or Texas A&M if they wanted to stick with the Southeast.
@@encycl07pedia- take a look at their map
Texas wasn’t a new state when the SEC didn’t hesitate in adding them and pissing Texas A&M. Yes they didn’t need them but Sankey knew the SEC needed to keep one step ahead. 12:14
Brother keep debunking this BS they keep spinning. 😂😂
Do you thank FSU has a chance to get into the SEC , I prefer SEC but if the Big 10 comes calling I’ll go there
There's a big difference between adding a flagship when the #2 is already secured ~and~ adding a #2 when the flagship is already secured. While not determinative, the difference is material.
@@Almighty5-ww1kl IMO the SEC would take FSU as a defensive play to keep the B1G from getting a land grant school in FL. FSU would be a much bigger fish in the B1G and bring much more media value to the B1G (B10 network in a huge population state). My guess is FSU & Miami end up in the B1G. Clemson, UNC, UVA and Kansas end up in the SEC. SEC will focus on boasting BB if they go to 20.
Univ. of Texas as a brand adds more than FSU and Miami combined. Now add in OU too. The state of Florida is already heavily recruited by everyone and some kids spurn FSU and Miami solely because they aren’t in the SEC. Why would the league wanna give that up that extra advantage?
It is sooooo nice to see a young man on the spectrum, have his own podcast. Bravo!!!
That’s crazy 💀 But also true 💀
We're all somewhere on some spectrum.
@@atgdcommish608 Good sport!
If the sec doesn’t go after Clemson and fsu then your inviting all the midwest schools to recruit Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas more heavily.
They need to protect their recruiting territory in order to stay on top.
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All of those schools are already recruiting those places. They've been doing it for decades.
Like Georgia and Alabama aren’t already recruiting top talent from California? The SEC doesn’t have a school out there yet recruits from California are coming quite often to the SEC.
@@jansonroberts2616 I agree, most programs recruit everywhere these days, but I think the point is true as far as allowing a competitor to strengthen its recruiting position in your back yard. If the Big Ten is able to land FSU, Clemson, UNC and Virginia, suddenly even schools like Indiana and Purdue are able to throw a lot of money at recruits AND have them playing a few games close to home.
@@aBrewster29 That’s a whole lot of ‘if’s”. In the mean time…..
as a southerner, and Clemson Alum, I think FSU and Clemson would be great additions to the B1G. FSU has applied for AAU membership. Adding FSU and CU would expand the geography and recruiting grounds. Also there is a ready-made market for the B1G down here- lots of Midwestern transplants (my wife is from Ohio) and lots of retirees from that part of the country. Either team joining the Big10 would need a travel partner.
One can't apply to the AAU.
If academics mattered any more, Stanford and Cal would already be in the B1G.
It was never in question the dominance of the SEC but rather looking ahead with NIL now being a factor or major factor. At 6:20 there is no way the ACC can keep FSU and CU. They are the only 2 teams that generate money for the ACC and they're already getting left behind by the Big 1G and SEC . If those 2 should go to the B1G the playing field will be almost on par with the SEC.
CLEMSON and FSU would wither in the B1G, especially on an island.
@@tarheel7406how do you figure?
@@SurferRC Far less attractive schedules playing mostly vanilla Midwestern teams while FLORIDA, UGA, USCAR & UNC are playing more interesting regional teams. Those SEC teams will draw more regional attention and attract larger extended fanbases and better recruits, likely across all sports.
National opponents will lose their luster after the novelty wanes and NFL type records set in. Playing the spoiler means more vs. a regional rival than vs. an OREGON or IOWA.
My position has been largely affected by the MARYLAND experience and the apathy that now reeks from its message board.
I can also say with near 100% confidence that CLEMSON and FSU will never be that respected in the B1G and will have far less power/influence than they have had in the ACC. UNC will have to adjust to having less power/influence, and it's a top athletic/academic peer of any SEC/B1G member.
Anyway, FSU is dumb and thinks it's the only ACC school that matters in realignment and will not suffer to whichever P2 it goes. CLEMSON is an ACC founder and is far more realistic. The SEC is likely its only P2 option and is the best fit anyway, which is why it wants to pair with UNC.
The ACC fixes easy. The conference goes to Notre Dame does whatever they want to get them to become a member. Then they can go to ESPN and renegotiate.
That sounds great for the ACC, but what would Notre Dame gain from that? They openly state they are committed to football independence and make more money with their own contract with NBC and ESPN money for other sports with the ACC. If they did decide to join a conference, why would they help the ACC get more money instead of just joining the B1G or SEC and getting even more money?
Bottom line is this only helps the ACC and not Notre Dame.
That window has closed.
@@Doc_Boots ND would have gained by being a football tentpole in an ~18-team P3 ACC rather than being yet another Midwest team in an ~24-team P2 B1G.
Nevertheless, ND has clearly chosen to squeeze as many years out as an indy at the cost of being in a future ~24-team B1G. No fault or blame. That's ND's cost/benefit decision.
@1:10 that theme song is the B1G's now
IMO what makes sense is FSU, UNC, Miami & UVA to B1G and Clemson, VT, NCSt & Kansas to SEC. We will see what happens.
UNC will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. We’ll have to see what UVA does when the time comes. I agree with the FSU and Miami move to the B1G when the time comes.
Miami won’t go P2 until they return to relevancy either in a dissolving ACC or the big 12. Miami fans really need a reality check.
This has got to be a BIG fan posting this. It sounds like the typical arrogant BIG fan, “We are the best conference, everyone wants to be with us. We will take what we want and the SEC will get what we don’t” these guys need a reality check. Their academics aren’t as superior as they think and not everyone want to play their games in Ohio and Michigan.
Acceptable, but not optimum. The SEC would still offer the more attractive matchups and better overall demos longer-term.
@@adamb6370 We're AAU in the B1G. Clemson and FSU aren't. No Go!
If you think SEC lets BIG10 come down south and take the best ACC teams like FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, they will not allow this without a fight
I suspect that the SEC will gladly cede FSU and take CLEMSON to secure UNC.
The B1G and the PAC 10 have had a longstanding partnership over the years It was only natural for them to bring in those Westcoast teams.
Let's be real. One partner ate the cream of the other and discarded the rest. That's survival of the fittest but not a true former partnership. I maintain that the B1G didn't really want to poach from the PAC, but USC/UCLA came knocking which forced the matter.
Spot on, Spencer; however, your timeframe seems a bit shortsighted. The Big Ten already has a financial leg up on the SEC, and if they see an incremental benefit in adding FSU/Clemson, then that means widening the gap with the SEC.
What we’re seeing is a more lucrative national footprint squaring off against a more prestigious regional power. If the Big Ten is allowed to grow its financial advantage, at some point the SEC blue bloods are going to have wandering eyes.
The long term SEC strategy needs to spread the region and keep the south locked down.
Fair point, though that gap is pretty minimal--not sure if FSU/Clemson can even close it on their own
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball I don’t think it would close the gap whatsoever…adding FSU/Clemson would be a defensive move.
The SEC didn’t NEED Texas or Oklahoma.
Yes they did. Added the Southwest and millions of TV viewers. Both have National following.
@@billbixby5508 A want does not equate to a need.
The B1G definitely needs them. And by deduction, the SEC then needs them too, to keep them away from the B1G. FSU (and to a lesser extent Clemson) is a TV and competitive asset. The big boys will fight over the best assets, and FSU and Clemson are the last two Premier League level teams not in the Power2. (apologies to Miami and Utah.)
Sec bias warranted😂😂😂if you count paying players under the table for over a decade to get that distinction😂😂😂!
SEC adds Clemson and North Carolina = 18
B1G adds FSU and Virginia = 20
SEC adds Kansas and Virginia Tech = 20
B1G adds Notre Dame and Miami = 22
SEC adds Oklahoma State and West Virginia = 22
B1G adds Georgia Tech and Tulane = 24
SEC adds UCF and NC State = 24
I find see either of them going past 20 for a few years. If the ACC falls apart it's going to get messy, IMO.
I like the SEC choices, but Substitute ASU and Utah ( or Stanford) for Tulane and GT, and a Texas school like TCU or even A&M for UVA.
@@davidbrown386 A&M isn’t leaving the SEC. None of that talk is coming from A&M but rather the B1G and Big12 fans.
Your first SEC add of UNC and Clemson is straight but the SEC will take from the ACC for the next two as well. The Big12 won’t be touched until after the SEC goes beyond 20.
Oh boy here we go. Kansas isn’t going anywhere before B1G/SEC hits 22-24 teams. Big12 teams are stable until then.
FSU and Clemson need to stay away from ESPN and its backwoods trailer park conference. The damage ESPN has done to college football is immeasurable. B1G is the better option as it brings more affluence and prestige across the board.
Neither school is AAU. No Go on the B1G.
@@daveowens9849 Silly take…malfeasance for B1G to pass on that basis given the gold mine college football is turning into.
Works for me. Wither in the waning B1G and be reduced competition for all current and future members of the waxing SEC.
@@daveowens9849that doesnt matter they want the revenue boost
I agree with you on the sec but …. I remember games Alabama has played and Nick would make statements that fans need to start showing up to support the team. That’s the best or one of the best teams in the sec. They remind me of the old big 12. Everyone made fun of the big 10 because that always chase money and the rose bowl instead of championships .. they are in markets that fans show up no matter if they win or loose the championship. The sec is in markets where only the championship matters. Now look at the big 10 and the big 12. Unfortunately chasing money in the long run is better than chasing championships…
Why play if you don’t want to win? Kinda dumb to have a philosophy to lose as long as you’re paid. Different strokes and such.
With revenue sharing this kind of support is going to be huge.
Yes I agree. I think just because there is more money flowing into the big 10 and larger markets and the teams that draw the crowds… it will only be a matter of time before the big 10 will get the better players . Better players will mean more exposure more money more championships.. the sec I think knows this and it’s in there best interests if the nil gets regulated somehow in the next few years to be able to stay competitive and probably keep winning championships. I am not a sec fan. But I would like more parody. I wish there was a way the smaller teams could compete week after week. Maybe it will end up creating some sort of a draft style to keep certain teams from always getting the top players? Maybe if they are a top 5 team in the ratings after the season reduce scholarships? Or something else
@@larry93343 If it were just media money that was flowing in, you might have an argument but overall, other than Ohio State, the SEC top schools bring in the most money year after year into their athletic programs. The SEC gave out 51 million per member last year but the University of Georgia brought in 210 million total. The media money was less than 25 percent of the overall athletic revenue for Georgia. The SEC spends more on recruiting, recruits better and has more NFL draft picks every year. NIL is not an issue for any of the SEC schools. Heck the last two Quaterbacks that have started at Georgia are millionaires before leaving the school through NIL and the QB we got now just got a Lamborghini with some of his NIL money. More importantly, most of the best high school kids coming out of high school are in our own back yard. Some will go up north or out west but the majority stay closer to home.
The B1G up till now sees winning as winning bowl games and letting Michigan and OSU represent at he natty level. The addition of the PAC elite schools, and Penn State
Iowa and Wisconsin seeing a real chance at making the playoffs should raise the whole conference
I think FSU in B1G, not sure Clemson or Miami
Speaking for Seminole Nation, we hate the SEC. We hate Disney, we hate ESPN. We want to be in the B1G. Go Noles ------;;-->
Sec on top now but you always have to eat your young to survive meaning the sec should have expanded outside the southeast market picking up west coast teams. Longer term the big 10 will have a national footprint including the southeast and they will make more revenue simply based on the depth of media market access.
Exactly - college football is more and more about access to $$$. SEC schools are in some of the nation’s most impoverished states and markets (e.g., AL, GA, LA, MS). B1G is in larger media markets and has stronger/affluent alumni bases. Game over if Notre Dame and FSU make their way to the B1G.
a) The West Coast is a declining market, hence the PAC12 couldn't get a Tier 1 deal and the then PAC10 eventually couldn't get a Tier 2.
b) The geo-centric SEC will be just fine if it can keep the B1G from effectively expanding from VA down to FL over to TX. A relatively weak expansion south by the B1G would be neutered and would wither.
The B1G's core footprint has stagnant and aging populations. Those schools will struggle to maintain academic and value metrics going forward.
@@tarheel7406 I agree the west coast was at a disadvantage when regionality drove college football, but given where the sport is going the larger and more affluent markets in the new B1G will provide an advantage. The small run down college towns of the south won’t be able to compete with LA, Seattle, DC, NY metro, Chicago. etc on the NIL front. The road game schedule - which will closely mimic the NFL - will also be more intriguing and nationally relevant than what the SEC has to offer.
Weak expansion to the south? FSU, Clemson and ND would be a huge blow to the SEC. If they somehow grab Miami, the B1G will get the two best programs in Florida and one of the more iconic rivalries in the sport. Throw in UVA and UNC and it turns into a mini-NFL.
Also, I don’t think the B1G has to worry about the SEC challenging its academic superiority any time soon. With the exception of Vanderbilt, the conferences are nowhere near the same level. If I were a UNC fan, I would want to stay away from the SEC and pray we go B1G.
@@LoCoVANole Again...
a) The West Coast is a declining market for college football. California would have negative population growth if not for foreign immigration. Frankly, I suspect that any athletic benefit from the PAC 4-bloc would be a windfall. What the core BIG schools need is more quality students to maintain undergrad enrollment and some academic metrics.
b) With stagnant and aging populations, the core B1G will become less affluent and smaller relative to the competition.
c) College sports doesn't work like pro sports. States and special extended fanbases matter more than an urban location.
d) VA down to FL over to TX is better/greater than the rest of the country combined in this context, especially going forward into the foreseeable.
e) FSU and CLEMSON are disposable to the SEC. Both would wither behind a VA/NC firewall surrounded by SEC members. With that firewall, the SEC doesn't care about ND, which will decline in the B1G due to the loss of its special branding.
f) FLORIDA arguably has the 2nd best athletic department in the country and is perhaps more valuable than FSU/MIAMI combined. MIAMI is likely to do okay in the B1G, but FSU will wane relative to FLORIDA.
g) It appears that UVA has rejected the SEC (again), which means either staying in the ACC with lowered football ambitions or apathy in the B1G. What that means for VATECH, I can't say. UNC is now certain for the SEC, which is likely coattailing CLEMSON and perhaps DUKE.
h) Agreed, the SEC has shown no signs of trying to improve its academic reputation outside of expansion. Given the demo trends, the B1G will slowly drop notwithstanding. The SEC can always improve by freezing enrollment and increasing selectivity. The B1G would have to mostly lower enrollment to maintain selectivity, but that reduces the alumni base.
i) The SEC also has TEXAS (an original public IVY), TXAM (a near peer #2), FLORIDA (an original public ivy equivalent), and UGA (which is improving and easily ACC or B1G worthy on that score). Outside of a few, the B1G appears to be mostly Moo AAU and declining as already explained.
j) I have been following this story closely since the TX/OK news. I started out as favoring the B1G, then evolved to apathy, and now strongly favor the SEC. If I do pray, it will be to not swing back to favoring the B1G.
@@tarheel7406I still think you’re looking at things through an old lens. College football is evolving closer to a professional sport and the math and metrics have and will continue to change dramatically. I heard you loud and clear the first time around and remain unpersuaded. It feels like you sense UNC will end up in the SEC and are laying the foundation to feel good about things when it all shakes out. The one thing I will say is that when it’s all said and done, it probably won’t matter which of the two conferences a team ends up so long as it’s one or the other - sort of how things are with pro sports. At that point, we’re stuck with the day to day realities of the two leagues and from that perspective I’ll take B1G culture over the SEC any day. I personally finally it more sophisticated and in keeping with what college is all about. SEC is more NASCAR culture and that honestly isn’t for me. I’ve been to many SEC towns and on game days it’s almost impossible to get hotel rooms and travel to and from is an outright nightmare - no thank to you. Best of luck to you, though…wherever UNC ends up. I do pray, and am all in on B1G.
You only named 5 teams in the SEC that could make title level, in comparing to the B1G. They may not be desperate, but they will eventually fall behind if the CFP ends up being half the B1G year to year, due to having 5-6 10+ win teams every year, whereas the SEC has 2-3. They need to get bigger. Also, They did, need at least UT and OU to keep up with the B1G. That’s just objectively true.
I don't think even FSU/Clemson would alter the finances of one conference
Measured by top-level competitiveness in football over the 4-team playoff era, the B1G is close to peer with the ACC and is way behind the SEC. In men's basketball over that time period, both the B1G and SEC are Tier 2. The B1G's P2 (rather than P3 or P4) status is solely based on its high media value due to consisting mostly of large enrollment flagships withe better than average to elite academic standing. Demo trends will result in that media value falling by comparison which the B1G must mitigate by effectively expanding into fast growing regions.
For the B1G, It's not just the athletic programs but maintaining the status of the core members as institutions.
Yet the ACC is failing and UNC can't earn a higher rating than Iowa in football despite all those great demographics. 😂 I know I know, you'll be proven right in 50 years when football as a sport probably falls behind soccer. 😂
@@heartbreak25 I have repeatedly addressed your weak and sometimes nonsensical rebuttals.
Emoticons are for children.
@@tarheel7406 Oh no, you finally agreed with me that brands matters more than that demographic stuff. And the B1G has way bigger brands than tier whatever conferences like the ACC. I really appreciate it! 🤣If UNC can't convert demographic advantages into viewership than nothing you say matters. Nothing.
@@heartbreak25 Moron... I have repeatedly corrected you. I have been discussing brands, quantity/quality of viewers, demo trends since Day 1.
Demography is destinty.
Çorrect: SEC doesn't need Clemson and FSU; but they're the only ACC schools that add football value. So the question becomes: what are you looking to accomplish? Best Football Conference or improve footprint. Improve footprint; Add Miami (South Fla), N Car and NC St and decide between Virginia and Kansas. If you're trying to get best of both worlds; they add FSU, Clemson, N Car and NC St.
We'll run? I could have led that league to the top of you gave me those teams. It just worked out that way.
Fsu adds more value dollars and views than miami, geography doesnt matter viewership does
Good way of looking at it
@@SurferRC Expected quantity and quality of viewers based on a school's position within the ~48-team P2.
@@tarheel7406 you dont get it, the average fsu game draws 3.6 million views, the average unc game draws .94 million views! No one is paying more for 400% less views! 🤡😂🤦🏼♂️🤡
The sec has 2 maybe 3 that’s been on a championship level, auburn, Florida, lsu, Texas, Oklahoma haven’t been close to winning a title, Georgia only has 4 titles all time, the sec bias is crazy
LSU won a natty in 2019 and Texas was just in the CFP, not to mention OU's myriad of CFP appearances
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball lsu won yes but not in the title hunt yr in and yr out, you can’t take Texas and ou past success and make that an sec argument, you know I’m right just admit it is the first sign of healing
@@Theruler13-r8w Sure, OU has to prove it in the SEC (more than Texas IMO)
But if things are right at those schools, they can be at that level
This is not a race to add more teams the SEC and Big ten aren’t going to add teams that don’t bring value that would cost them and there members more money to bring in some sub par team so stop this is not a you participate and that’s all you need nope 👎
Yeah FSU and Clemson would not bring value to the SEC LMAO
@@edl7454please explain where populations of FSU fan base exist that they are not sharing with SEC schools. Terrible UF still carries the largest fan base in Florida by a wide margin. The largest FSU fan base out of state is Atlanta where they share with Bama and UGA. It isn’t a slight at FSU it’s fact, yes they have a national brand, but so does everyone else so that doesn’t carry much to me. Ironically Clemsons the largest fan base in Charlotte which would be new. FSU and Tally are still small college town culture. They HAVE suffered not playing AU, LSU, and UGA regularly and will suffer more when all of their games are outside the region. Outside of that since all the other schools play each other anyway they don’t suffer. It’s less about the SEC v BIG more about that FSU will feel like an outsider in their own area becuase they will only have one regional game….the governor ordered FSU/UF game
@@edl7454 I was not talking about FSU and Clemson more like GT , Miami,VT,Duke ,Stanford,SMU ,Cal yo name a few
@@adamb6370fsu draws more viewership than uf! What are tou talking about?
I agree about the SEC. That said, what about bringing KU, UNC and Arizona on board to create the number one basketball conference? I believe FSU is unlikely for the SEC, but why not add Clemson and UCF to strengthen football?
UNC and Clemson will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. KU is a new idea but it’s a stretch and won’t happen unless the SEC goes beyond 20 teams. Arizona would shock the very foundations of college athletics to ever get an invite to the SEC. We’ll see
The SEC wants to push basketball and baseball as well as the geographic footprint that is where Arizona comes in. The Big 10 wants a National Conference with bigger markets for advertisers and hockey schools and Arizona State has hockey and the Phoenix. TV market. The Sun Devils to the Big 10 and Wildcats to the SEC makes sense.
I don’t think the SEC wants to go further west. Austen is a stretch. UCF will never be in the SEC. That’s a dealbreaker. A directional city school in UFs recruiting ground. They want them back in the G5 with USF.
I don’t get the hate for UCF. They came from nothing to be the second best on the field Florida School after FSU. Another plus is fan support. Miami wishes they could have the Knights attendance. Oh by the way, they are sold out for home games this year.
@@davidbrown386 it’s not that they grew. Its a complication of 3 things. How they grew, UCF general culture, and the overall environment in Florida.
1. Florida and Miami are considered among the top academic institutions in America. They turn away 4.0 kids daily. UCF was known as the hospitality school in Florida. So to get the numbers they needed in student size, they would take anyone. Their nickname was U Can’t Fail. To get the funding, they sold every inch of that campus to corporate sponsors. They ran over smaller niche schools to steal their funding. Ex: anytime you see a space u or cutronaught logo. They stole a program from another school. Kids don’t go to UCF to work for NASA, they go to Florida Tech. It is viewed by the blue bloods who spent the last 100 years developing their institutions that UCF, cut corners cheated and stole their way into a power conference. It provokes them.
2. Everytime the UCF President, AD, HC takes a moment to take a swipe at UF/FSU when they are TV. Go back a read Mojahirs comments when they joined the B12. He spent more time talking about FSU/UF. Heck I believe some of FSU desperation about the ACC is tied to that moment. Hence all of this could be laid at the B12 decision to elevate UCF.
Finally Florida is viewed as over saturated with CFB schools. 3 was an uneasy peace. 4 breaks the state and pushed all schools down to mediocrity. Something has to give so there is a desperation to put UCF back in their G5 box.
And maybe Kansas?
Big 10 pays better
The SEC will pick up North Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia eventually and that'll probably be it. Maybe Oklahoma State also
Way higher SEC priorities than WVU and OKST.
Texas,missouri and oklahoma isnt the southeast
But they’re contiguous of the SEC. The B1G Ten isn’t just ten. The Big12 have way more than 12 and the ACC have teams that aren’t on the Atlantic coast.
@@jansonroberts2616 I'm not hating on them just saying it's all a mess
I would agree particularly on Mizzou. They’re culturally more aligned with the BIG. Their rival and close schools are Kansas Iowa, Nebraska. And Illinois. I could totally see a deal where they go to the BIG for no existing fee and the BIG let’s UNC go. That’s a better deal for BIG.
@@adamb6370 That ship sailed a decade ago. Mizzou has worked hard to establish itself in the SEC. They’re SEC through and through now. No SEC teams are leaving and no B1G teams are leaving. Quite a few ACC teams and perhaps a few Big12 teams are on some short lists for the two P-2 conferences to expand further.
@@marcuswilliams5385 understandable. It is hard to believe how this is all playing out.
The SEC doesnt have a choice
FSU will handpick a conference made from the best from the ACC and BIG12. ND will play 5 games a year against said conference.
FSU, Clemson, Miami, Duke, UNC, Louisville,
Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU
and maybe a few more
CFP money will be given out differently. ie based on merit
just delusional. For starters, the ACC schools with options have been distancing themselves from FSU. FSU can try your plan after the other ACC schools that can scatter to the SEC and B1G. After that point, why would some FSU created conference be better?
The B1G's super power is that 90% of the fans don't care about national titles. Why? Because the vast majority of us live in pro sports states. Packers > Badgers, Eagles/Steelers Nittany Lions, Vikings > Golden Gophers, etc.
Conference success is determined by conference survival and that's determined by money. When people stop projecting their college sports views, values, and beliefs onto us then you'll understand why we've been strong and successful in every era for over 100 years and counting.
"The B1G's super power is that 90% of the fans don't care about national titles."
A good thing since the B1G is winning fewer and fewer of them. The PAC 4-bloc may reverse that trend in the immediate future, but I suspect the trend will continue over the longer term.
@@tarheel7406 Sounds great to me!
@@heartbreak25 "Great" seems like an odd response. If the B1G is going to drop in competitiveness, value and academic standing regardless, why dilute the geo branding for a lost cause?
@@tarheel7406 If I wrote a post saying the B1G's secret weapon is that we don't care, and you respond the status quo will prevail, then there's no debate. The B1G keeps increasing its market share and value despite all the cherrypicked data and variables you try to present.
Michigan just won a natty, and the B1G appeared in the natty for men's and women's basketball. Competitiveness is fine. B1G just signed the richest TV contract ever and is a 50/50 partner with the SEC on playoff revenue. Value is fine. And Forbes just released an article talking about the "New Ivy" schools and the B1G had 6 out of 20 which was more than any other conference. Academics is fine. I live in a city with 32 Fortune 500 companies and they're still hiring us and paying us well so my degree is fine.
We don't care about Saturday football in Sunday football cities. That's a very hard concept for Big 12 and ACC fans to understand. You think Boston fans would trade a Patriots ring for one BC natty? Never.
@@tarheel7406 You responded to my post the status quo will prevail, then there's no debate. The B1G keeps increasing its market share and value despite all the cherrypicked data and variables you try to present.
Michigan just won a natty, and the B1G appeared in the natty for men's and women's basketball. Competitiveness is fine.
B1G just signed the richest TV contract ever and is a 50/50 partner with the SEC on playoff revenue. Value is fine.
Forbes just released an article talking about the "New Ivy" schools and the B1G had 6 out of 20 which was more than any other conference. Academics are fine.
So we're great!
Greg Sankey didnt build the SEC!
Texas and A.M are not in the southeast Missouri is a mid west state Oklahoma is not in the southeast there are four state that are not in the southeast.
The better term is "greater Southeast".
Small minded people can only think about the now.
Auburn Texas A&M sorry buddy but those teams haven't done squat with all the talent they have.
Auburn has won a natty in the last 20 years haha and been to another. Not bad
@LockedOnCollegeFootball like I said haven't done anything with all that sec talent they get. Bragging about what they did 20 years ago is not much.
@@Bogzedd8 I would love for my team to have won a natty within the last 15-20 years. Pretty tough feat
Agree… Auburn is not any good and neither is Texas A&M
SOUTH EASTERN CONFERENCE
Gee..Wonder why all this athletic talent is in the former confederacy?
Hmm... 🤔
You want the answer, go look up why Jimmy the Greek got fired.
@@Bogzedd8 That was quite the episode right there. They forced him out of the lime light..
Spencer, stop trying to stick the Big 10 with FSU and Clemson because USC went to the Big 10. We don't need to add FSU when Ohio State has gotten the best Floridians (Cris Carter through Jeremiah Smith)f or the past 40 years.
AMEN!
Fsu doesn't need SEC limited geographically limited footprint academically challenged BIG 10 post new additions will be NFL Jr .....watch ...it will be fact in two years .....this guy is off ...didn't need Oklahoma UT...foolish ......Like watching cartoon network at HarvardBS
There are only 2 teams in the B1G. Ohio State and Michigan. When was the last any other schools won anything. FSU is so but hurt to go. Then let them. We can laugh at them. When they are freezing there ass of playing in Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa etc in November.
By “Win anything” you really mean
Nattys which Nebraska did around the same time Tennessee did in the late 90s. SEC fans have no problems bragging about decades old titles.
You seem to forget that USC is joining the B1G as a new blueblood and Oregon, Washington Iowa and hopefully
Wisconsin are playoff caliber programs.
@@TheLAGopher Google National Championship. You will find LSU Auburn, Florida, Georgia Alabama all have won multiple. Tennessee only won 1. I have not added Texas or Oklahoma. These are facts.
Neither Clemson or FSU are AAU schools, and therefore do not meet the membership criteria for the B1G. Nebraska was when they joined, so don't try to find a loop hole. I am a B1G fan and alumni, and I do not want Clemson or FSU in our conference. AAU matters.
NEB was already in the process of being expelled from the [AAU] when invited. OREGON should be expelled per precedent. Both were de facto AAU exceptions. CLEMSON and/or FSU may not get invited due to AAU status, but claiming that an exception is effectively impossible is silly.
See Michigan State entry to B1G.
@@sochowell3469 MICHST joined the B1G long before the current B1G priorities and preferences gelled.
It doesn’t matter the $$$ they bring is what matters
Quit being a child. Fox doesn't care about AAU membership. If they did, one would think Stanford wouldn't have been so desperate.