Is Harley's 2025 Lineup PRICING OUT the Average Rider?
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- In this video I am asking the question. Why are the prices so high and is Harley Davidson trying to bring up their used bike sales? This happened years ago when their bikes were hard to get. I personally think there is a second agenda here.
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I just ordered a 2025 Street Glide Ultra. By the time I got done with everthing I wanted to upgrade, it's 40k. It's my last new bike so I got exactly what I wanted. Toys are expensive. I figure to have 3-5 years left riding distances of any kind so it should get me there. Then I'll give it to one of my boys.
Adjusted for inflation prices are in line. The problem is wages and earnings have not kept pace with inflation rate. Compare to a Honda Accord Or a Rolex or a home when you were 18 yrs old
Yeah I agree. 2000 more than last year nothing has changed. And if you want flames you can barely see it’s another 2900.00 more. So 4900.00 it’s unreal. CEO needs to go
You might be onto something ! Speaking of Royal Enfield, I was at a Royal Enfield dealer here this week and the parts guy was telling me that they have a number of ex Harley people in higher up positions with Royal Enfield now. I’ll never buy a new Harley, I don’t like the look of them now and they’re too expensive for me to justify having one. I’m buying a 07 Ultra Classic . I like the older bikes more.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but back in the day, the typical nostalgic blue collar biker was not walking into a HD dealer and riding away on a new bike. Just look at the rally pictures of bikers in the 1980’s. Those are well used bikes, customized and cobbled together on a budget. You and I are about the same age, and back in the 80’s, everyone I hung out with rode a bike, and not a single one of them had a NEW Harley.
Exactly! Harley's have always been expensive motorcycles. The average worker bought used Harley's. Or, before the housing bubble of 2008, they refinanced their house and bought a new Harley with that extra money and they paid more for them than todays Harley's when accounting for inflation.
@@FFL-vg9ro Well a heap of folk won't be having one in 2025.
Technology in most industries has made costs lower.
And there dealers sit with unsold 2024 stock. Something ain't right
This is right but the used market has been healthy which means that some people were buying new machines. The question is, are there enough bikers with enough money now to keep that going.
@CHuzz7777 In this economy with uncertainty....don't think so.
The Harley craze started with military surplus (WWII) this is why they were customized as the bikes were dirt cheap and military green. So, guys pulled the tanks and fenders cut them and painted them. Anything that changed the military issue look was desired. The Harley stuff you see today started in the late 80s. In the early 80s Harley was AMF, to changing away from AMF. I'm old enough to have seen first hand brand new AMF Harleys. Us metric rice burners rode that guy b(censored) so he could go with us.
Your absolutely right. I feel that Harley is doing what you explained. I have a 2016 st. Glide and a 89 heritage soft tail both are clean and mint. I will have those bikes and enjoy them the rest of my life. I'm currently 60. Thks for your videos.
@@steverowland7163 thanks for watching. Much appreciated
Because HD will finance anyone for long periods of time.
@@teewhy2602 that’s where the money is
@@teewhy2602 that’s where the money is
I can remember the mid-1990s when you paid $25 to put your name on a list with the bike and color you wanted and the dealership would call you if it came in. When you got the call, the bike or color that came in wasn't what you wrote down. On the other hand, buying used from an individual wasn't cheaper. This was all before H-D ramp up in production, accessories, apparel, and brand name protection. I'm pretty sure they are not choosing to go back to that earlier business model. Not after all the investment. They need to keep up with inflation like everybody else. Simple as that.
I’ve not priced a new bike in several years. I’m happy with my old 2014 model. 👍👍
I priced a comparable Indian Roadmaster and SG Ultra. The Indian was >$5k more for a comparable machine. One guy in our chapter has the Indian Pursuit and within 5,000 miles it burned up the clutch and Indian wouldn’t honor the repair under warranty. He went on a ride with us about 150 miles one way on a round trip and then his Indian threw a code on his start/stop switch and as a result, the computer wouldn’t let him start the bike without a dealer reset.
Closest dealer said “can’t help you on a weekend. Trailer it to us and we can get to it Monday”. Dealer in our hometown said the same thing.
It’s getting bad everywhere apparently 😢
Like most of the corporations today, Harley Davidson bows at the altar of high profit margin, which is Jochen Zeitz’ Hardwire initiative. Sell fewer bikes, but sell the higher price models. The price on paint is outrageous. They’re charging the price of a paint job for a car, on a motorcycle. If I were to buy a Harley, I’m looking at bikes that are at least 20 years old.
@@nickq204 you are not alone. A new aftermarket is emerging.
Harleys new models beginning in 2024 dont impress me at all . I have no problem riding a used bike and the older ones seem easier to work on . If Harley continues this direction i could possibly be open to riding other brands on bikes .
Pricing out the average rider? When were Harley's cheap? I remember Harley's being expensive since the early 1900's.
@@JP-dw1fp it was when you couldn’t buy new ones. It created a used market that you still see today
Not just the bikes,the parts as well. Bought a new Road King in November of 2022. The first service was over $600 ! Since then I've been doing the services myself. As I am coming up on 15K miles I went to the local dealer ( the dealership where I bought the bike actually shut down last year) and paid $29 for a black oil filter. This compares to $15 I paid at the same dealer last April. I love the bike but not so much the apparent business model. Time will tell if The Motor Company is on the right course.
I agree about the extra 3k for paint. They are beautiful but priced outta my league. Some will argue that HD would rather sell you a New Bike then a used. I disagree. I think that HD finance is a cash cow and as long as you walk out with something they are happy. Look at the Road Kind Special. They had done nothing new with that bike and the price just keeps climbing. It didn't even get the 117.
I'm 66 years old, and I've ridden Harleys since 1994. Harley-Davidsons have always been expensive, and I've bought most of mine gently used with low miles. If you really want a Harley, there are deals in the used market if you can be patient and look long enough. I bought my last new HD in 2021, a Sportster Iron 883. I wanted an Evo Sporty before they stopped making them. It sits in my garage next to my 2023 Triumph, which I also bought new. I can afford a new Harley, but I no longer see the value in them, and I'm not fond of the styling. The Motor Co.'s business plan is definitely changing, and it remains to be be seen how it all works out. I wish them the best.
@@NCStoney indeed I as well
I used to love Harley-Davidson.
Now I'm done with them.
If the value of my used Harley ever rebounds it's gone.
how come?
@trudgyhd It's the whole rabbit hole. You buy a motorcycle that's supposed to be premium only to find out you have to upgrade a lot of parts to make it whole. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just preferences but the inferior engine parts is what got me. Then they say Harley's retain their value better than the rest which is a half-lie. If you're going by MSRP that's fine but all that goes out the window when you account for all the money you have to dump into the bike. Then there's the high cost of parts and the ridiculousness of prices with the new bikes along with the displacement wars and being bloated with tech. I'm ready to go back to my roots with a simple motorcycle under 1,000 CC that doesn't need a ton of money dumped into it to be whole.
@@jamessouthworth1699 it will
@@jamessouthworth1699well said and spot on
The dealerships in my area still have 23 and 24 standard models and CVO's. If I had to buy a new bike, I'd wait and negotiate on those, especially if you can pay cash for the bike. Thanks for the video. Love those palm trees!
@@tz1592 me too. It’s nice here already
2+ thousand for a paint job, yeah that's a hard pass. Harley is putting themselves between a rock and a hard place. the HD loyalist and the new generation money that will finance at 14% with a 540 credit score. Many loyalist see HD in BIG BIG trouble in the next 10 years if they keep pushing bikes into the show rooms when the showrooms are still loaded with last years models.
Indian is just as expensive and in some cases more then a Harley.
Fixing leaks on my 95 right now before spring . Its not the casting design its the crappy gaskets HD uses. Designed to fail so you return to dealer. but aftermarket to the rescue . Using James gaskets.
@@davidderler5924 a little research goes a long way
Self proclaimed resident millennial here-
I think we’re forgetting that HD makes money on used bikes IF we finance thru them instead of some other financial institution- that being said, I think the used bikes are the new “entry level “
And honestly- I’m not mad at it- think back 20 years, the big twins were like 96cu- now we have 117’s- technology on bikes was meh at best, but now we have ride modes, ABS, cylinder deactivation, and all the rest. Yes only a select few can get brand new, but look at the cost of brand new PLUS the maintenance- the 1k service, the 5k service-
Like u said, they make money on the loans- and with the glut of used bikes, it’s plenty of “affordable “ machines, they might just have miles on them- kinda like cars- most people who buy these bikes rarely hit 25k with them- hell I just saw a 2017 low rider s wit 11k miles and all done up with after market parts- for the grand total of $13.5k-
And with all you get, I’m not mad at that price-
I’m not sure if getting brand new is worth all the hype, but as a family man, I can accept that someone else ate the depreciation and I can get a solid machine that is gonna last- respectfully, I think in your early years everything was less expensive, that’s never been the case for my generation- oatmeal beats no meal & one far off day, maybe I’ll get brand new, but it won’t stop me from having fun-
Appreciate your content sir- keep it coming 💪🏿💪🏿
Old millennial here as well. Boomers won’t ever understand the income:expense ratio we’ve been smacked with since the first day we began working and it’s only gotten worse. Can’t hate them for it, they just never had to experience that level of continuous expense and inflation in their prime earning years as we have. Grocery shopping frugally, eating only meats, fruits, vegetables, rice and oatmeal costs my family of 6 $2400 a month just to eat at home. Ofailurecare came out and suddenly my healthcare cost more than my mortgage for 1/3 the coverage and a $3k deductible per person. Healthcare alone nearly bankrupted me and at the time I had zero vehicle payments.
That said, I joined the military young, served in combat, did 7 years. I used active duty tuition assistance to pay for my degree and then the GI bill to pay for my grad degree. I’m able to afford new bikes, but I’m still very careful with overall cost and terms if financing.
YES - but other RUclipsrs keep telling you they are "cheaper this year"
@@BikerForJustice interesting
Even people in my chapter bought that nonsense hook, line, and sinker. Tried to tell me that the bikes are cheaper (at $2k more?) than previous years. Make it make sense.
In my opinion, you don’t think they need to go back to the basics… build a couple of bikes that have gauges.. even target the young riders with a DR model or something that doesn’t cost $20,000…
Just my opinion .. as far as the fancy paint jobs and all the electronics and stuff I wonder how much touring they’ll actually be doing on those bikes across the country.
@@lonecowboyadventures Royal Enfield build bulletproof motorcycles that last for years for $5000 out the door. Why can’t we do a middle weight under 10
Have you seen the new Street Glide Ultra? They should have named it Street Glide Incomplete Ultra, no lights on the tour pak, no tour pak speakers, no auxillary lights, and I still don't know what to think about the new lower fairings, and the inner upper fairing is not painted. I will stick with my previous design blacked out Road Glide Limited! I am not to impressed with the new design !
They are out of my price range as I will soon be on a fixed income but, I have to admit I like this lineup more than in years past! I don’t get why they don’t have more entry bikes. I really wish they had a smaller ADV bike! I’ve been looking at getting one in the 750-850 size.
@@athrottleholic I thought there was a 975
@@HarleyGeezer1954 They were suppose to have one coming out a couple years ago and was getting alot of attention but, I haven’t heard or seen any more about it since then.
hmm, interesting
If you want a middle weight ADV, the Yamaha Tenere 700 is perfect
@@BrandonWest87 @ I’ve been hearing more & more about that one! Thx!
At one time I wanted a Harley. But I cannot afford to pay that much for a motorcycle .so I have a Royal Enfield Meteor 350.
It is not as cool as a Harley, But for $4,399. I like it. and it gets 80 to 92 MPG.
"Cool" is overrated. I stopped trying to be "cool" decades ago. Ride your sled, and enjoy it. My two Harleys are old ('97 and '02) but I bought them brand new. I wouldn't even consider anything beyond 2017 worth buying.
@@jerrykoch-jd9qr Royal Enfield makes good machine. I’m thinking of getting a classic 650 as a second bike because they look extremely cool. Best retro look of all the Britbikes
My suggestion is to get Non Dependent on the Dealer , Buy used bikes from Rider's ! Find a Good Local Mechanic ! Or even better Learn to do your own maintenance , I have 3 Nice older bikes and haven't been in a Dealership in 10+ Year's ! Not Dime 1 !!
I can see people paying 50 grand for a motorcycle . What I can not see is financing a 50 grand motorcycle.
I dont think my Harley dealer got the memo on the price of used bikes because they were willing to give me 11k for my 2021 Sportglide with 3200 miles..that is 8k less than what I paid 4 years ago ,sounds like HD motorcycles are not holding their values like they used to.
@@SonnyPruitt-q1s it always takes a bit for the used market to see improvement. It takes riders to stop buying the new ones first
With so many bikes available I can't see why anyone would even want a Harley.
@@Hawaiishelldiver ride what you love. I am doing a video on this soon
Price increases can be justified if there are new or improved additions to the bike. Just changing paint color doesn't warrant this type of price increase. HD needs to give customers value for their money and I don't feel that happened with the 2025 lineup
they did upgrade and lowered some prices. This guy is a liar
@@martincvitkovich724You’re not exactly telling the whole truth either. They went to the 117 across the lineup (saving material and labor costs along the way), while also adding a $2k price increase across the board.
Bought my first new Harley in 1990. A 1200 Sportster. $5800 and thought I was crazy!
My last new Harley purchase - 2023.5 CVO SG. $40K! Last one for me.
I like that leg holster I definitely need to grab one. And I would agree with you about sales. Definitely can't afford that payment.
Thanks it works great and is finally a solution for me. It's on Harley's website.
Do you miss your Road Glide? Or are you totally fine with your current bike?
@@nelsongn9 I miss the RG. I don’t miss fighting with it though.
As soon as, Harley stopped making the Road King Classic for customers i knew the company lost its way. Yes, Pricing for a new H-D are out of line for the normal people salaries. H-D wants to only sell high end stuff.
They have been a premium brand for many years, and pricing aligned with Indian, another premium brand.
@@trudgyhdCompare an Indian Roadmaster to an Ultra. The Indian is >$5k more! I checked it out yesterday and couldn’t believe it.
Great video. So I just left my dealership as I'm trying to get the deal of the century on a new pan America without having to finance. Unfortunately they can't take that much of a loss to get to my price range. Lol. But anyway when I was there I spoke to a person who works in the industry directly with Harley. I'm in Milwaukee. He's very concerned about their direction. He recently spoke with some of their new and young engineers and they all the think the future of HD is a new direction. High prices and a. Niche market. They can't see past the nose on their face. I personally k ow some of the engineers and I agree. I'm happy the 117 is the new standard but I don't see the value. When I see a bike at $30k I need to get really excited. I'm not and no one should be. Ride modes are nice but they aren't new technology. The road glove limited is so lame. Its like really? This is all you could come up with? An installed tour pack? The lack of attention to the customer and the prices, although unfortunately competitive in the market segment, are just a slap in the face.
@@hunterslivesmatter8024 the new kids want the reigns. Unfortunately they’re idiots. They believe everything they think
The softails are out of control. They should not be over 20,000 but they are hitting 25,000. Insane.
not to mention the markup they put on them
@@tuppersdad yep insane indeed
They sold fewer bikes in 2024 than they did in 2023, and fewer in 2023 than 2022...and so on and so on. If you purchased HOG stock in 2000, adjusted for inflation, in 2025, youve lost money.
Theyre trying to make up for lower sales with higher prices, that never works. Theyre not a luxury brand, theyre predatory (refer to their lending rates). The sad truth is that HD is failing, and in a big way, and there's nothing that hints theyre reversing the trend.
Unless it’s a super rare collectible vehicle, EVERY vehicle you purchase is a liability. You are guaranteed to lose money on it. When people call their vehicles or parts an “investment” I facepalm 🤦♂️.
I picked up my 23 Limited for $3k under MSRP at a 1.9% rate. Just have to wait for a deal to pull the trigger on a bike. Purchasing on emotion never works.
"Rubes" to be fleeced, simple as that!
You make great points. Btw that’s a beautiful heritage
@Ericdgarcia thanks I love the entire stock look
Yeah Bob, you make a lot of good points. If we look at the automotive world it is many of the same strategies. A mid-range pickup can sticker between $50-60K. What% of buyers can pay cash for that, even with a decent trade-in? So they focus on the monthly payment, knowing that it sounds more affordable. With a little patience and bank backing, they will get you to pay twice the amount for an already overpriced vehicle. As for the overloaded with accessories SUVs and Touring Models in our world, when is the last time you saw a “stripped down” model on the showroom floor? I think a streetbob might be a decent buy for a younger rider, as it comes with most things you need and very little you don’t. I wouldn’t cheap out on overall looks, you might be staring at it for many years. But what’s wrong with that? Negotiate early, Maintain continuous, enjoy your ride for several years. And good luck!🤠
I just wonder what the new tariffs are going to do to the market?
@@CycleGeezer it won’t affect bikes built here. When HD try’s to bring the Sportster back they might find they did not save anymore money than before
I was pricing out a 2025 Lower Rider S, set up with the minimum options and accessories on it that I would want and I'm looking at 27K to 28K. At 62 years old and retired I only put a couple thousand miles a year on each bike, I don't see the need to upgrade.
@@rogerthat1553 as we get older it’s harder to justify payments
As usual, Mr Geezer, it's a very interesting video 😂😂😂😂
@@michaelpulice6100 thanks. I like to raise questions
Harleys are expensive but they are beautiful.
@@ForeverintheQ that they are
Not sure how the HD mothership benefits, profit wise, from sacrificing new sales to prop up the used market?
Unless ur saying there’s more money to be made off parts for service?
HD gets paid through dealer allocation when a bike comes off the line. If they wanted to make a boat ton on parts, they’d tank the quality… but then have huge warranty costs.
I’d say it’s as simple as there’s enough consumers willing to pay the high price, dealers continue to take the allocation and still make out just fine.
One thing I’d LOVE to know….what happens to all the older model year bikes that don’t sell? They seem to just disappear over time. 🤔
you may have something...the new air cleaner for sale from Harley is 525.00.....for an air cleaner??
@@johnbeardsley7360 yeah it’s an air cleaner
How tall are you by the way? How do you feel on the heritage?
@@fireguy_75 5’7”. I is perfect for me
Your exactly right too expensive and will loose market share. Wait for a year or two there will be two year old bikes for sale because they can't afford it.
The thing I see is bigger motors, speed, bar hoppers and real Touring is out?
Buy a tour bike without a tour pack? No heal toe shifter? Oh yea those are smart business ideas cause if you want all the Touring goodies your gonna need to give them more money after spending 30-40K?
People buying “bar hoppers” still completely baffles me.
Easy. The CEO,Board of Directors and to a lesser extent the shareholders it's about Quarterly Earning, Buybacks and share price. You're correct about financing making more than the bikes either through direct interest, arbitrage or just selling the loan . They're trying to convince people with money it's a premium brand but it does not have the pedigree a premium brand commands. Can't even put a power windshield on the bigger bikes.... very premium indeed. I love HD but it is a brand in confusion and ultimately decline. It will be bought out at some point and likely not by an American group.
@@derekyoung9692 I think a lot of us are confused as hell.
I think in a lot of cases, used is better than new
@@paulsilson2148 agreed
3K more for paint?! Yeah I'm not buying. I'll go stage IV and Repaint for far less and be happier for it.
The only counter point that comes to my mind is that, with the introduction of the 2024 baggers, the used baggers dropped in value pretty significantly. My 2023 Roadglide ST dropped 15k the day the 2024s were announced. Otherwise, though, what you’re saying makes a lot of sense. Maybe they’re trying to bring them back up. Love the channel. Ride safe!
@@IWishIWereRiding 2024 the new price for baggers was low in comparison. This year the are back up. The lowered the price for the launch of the new design.
I believe they are too much for most. By the time you add all the custom things you want to the bike it’s even more.
One doesn’t have to buy a 2025 model. There are plenty of new old inventory at these dealerships. There are plenty 2023 & 2024 new models still on the showroom floors that are heavily discounted. This is the time of the year to buy last year’s model at a discount.
Totally Agree I bought a New 21 SG OTD $27,000....Wanted to Down Size like you to 24 Heritage $24,000+++ but they Only Offered me $11,000 Trade in! 👎 I will Never buy Another HD Ever! Ride Safe
ever trade in a newer car? I suppose you won't buy another car as well
This has been Harley's M.O. for at least 50 years, market to your emotions (and until 1998 they were the only American made motorcycle). I have heard of people with $700.00 -$1000.00 per month motorcycle payments, in my opinion they are not rational buyers, although I feel more and more people are beginning to figure it out.
@@kevingonyea marketing to your emotions is the core of propaganda as well
You might be onto something: just trying to unload the backlog of ‘22, ‘23 and’24 still seating in showrooms. Reality is the bike market is shrinking, HD demographics is leaving the building so they try to make up for it with higher prices.
Moving up a shrinking market is tough. Since they priced out the average working guy, how many 55+ are both willing and able to blow up 40 grands on a motorcycle?
@@jacquesferhaniarnaut3524 not many at that age and older
Im with ya man.
I agree with a lot you’re saying here, but I’m going to play devils advocate for a second. The new bikes do have bigger motors, the 25s have some beautiful paint jobs, adding more tech ride modes on soft tails, stuff like that., Maybe justifies cost increase a little, but yes overall I do agree with you that the average young rider who wants to spend 10 to 14,000 on a Harley is slowly being eradicated. I love your heritage by the way I’m on a 24 SG right now and if I ever decide to downgrade that’s what I’m going for. I don’t think I really need all the touring bells and whistles and Im honestly started to miss the beauty of the classic looking Harley more n more.
@@fireguy_75 I have always been in love with classic rides. The Heritage is in my garage and I sneak a peak now and then when the wife isn’t looking
absolutely increase in pricing sucks HOWEVER they aren't the only ones, and they are comparable to similar manufacturers. In some case cheaper than competitors. It's the same with everything Grocery's up 10% from last year, all my subscription services for tv are up 5-10% . Look at things like ground beef, up 30% the last 3 years! Why? the beef is the same ? Harley has always known of it's biggest competitors are itself with the used market in North America, and if someone wants an entry-level, more affordable bike, there is 1000's in the used market as well. I don't believe the current CEO is doing the right things though to attract new Riders and that will be the downfall over the years as their loyal customers die off. They need to be where the younger generation is and haven't figured that out with the current CEO yet.
@@trudgyhd I can fix it overnight. Look at Royal Enfield and take a lesson
I'm actually excited for the new lowrider st and pan america st.... I'm fortunate to be able to afford to put 30k into a new bike, but I'm not sure i want to support a company like HD. Other brands charge that much because the bikes are packed with the latest tech and performance... HD is still largely running of the nostalgia of the brand. So, while I think the new lowrider st and pan america may be worth the price, it's not a company i really want to represent.🤷
That has always been an issue with buying a new Harley. I never could afford one until I was in my 50s. Don't see that changing a whole lot. They better cater to us old geezers lol
I don't think Harley cares who buys their motorcycles. Selling bikes is the goal.
And besides, after last year's snuffing of it's DEI programs after pressure from it's customers, it seems like it's the Harley owners who want to control who they sell bikes to, not the company.
Image is everything with that crowd.
@@jimdavidson7771 indeed
Agreed... I'm starting to warm up to foreign brands.
Em new ones bigger & bulkier. One guy said looks like 10 gals in 5 gal bucket. To much epa stuff . Exhaust pipe on some look like off diesel truck . 🤨👍👌🤠
Hardly Abelson …HD stands for Huge Disappointment !! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Glen-n7u sometimes it indeed does
Very good review HG. I am trying to determine who at Harley Davidson thought it was a good idea to hire a German CEO who formally was a CEO for Puma athletic shoes. Shoes and motorcycles have zero similarity and Zeitz and that equally liberal board of directors are completely out of touch with the Harley Culture, the Harley history, and the traditional Harley customer.. It was the blue collar individuals that made Harley what it was and as you mentioned they have completely outpriced these riders out of the market with these obscene prices. Zeitz is a millionaire climate change advocate, who wants to push this livewire disaster onto the market and its not going to fly. I am looking at purchasing a Breakout and they want 1300$ just for a badge and a paint job with some faded flames. The other colors have added prices also with the exception of the primer gray. They have pretty much reached the pricing threshhold of pain for a good percentage of buyers. It remains to be seen how high they can go before they get the message they cannot continue at this pricing pace and still compete. It remains to be seen but in my opinion they are pretty much there.
Hell yah 20 percent on 2012 road king $410 month 13999 years
Harley seems to be more about lifestyle then value in motorcycling.
thumbs down content is a lie
And yet you’re here, watching, commenting, and helping get ol Harley Geezer paid. Well done.
It's inflation and it's a world wide problem. And just maybe Harley are trying to help out their dealerships - although I doubt it. After all the CEO's job is to make money for the shareholders - nothing else. Harley own the bulk of the big tourer market in the USA and they're a niche product, I think in terms of keeping the company going they're probably doing the right thing. Rolls Royce don't make an entry level car either.
`Bentley rolls royce, aston martin, lamborghini, ferrari. maserati. harley wants te be like those brands.
@@jjg1962 true. Is that where they are going?
@@lexburen5932If that’s the case, they need to SERIOUSLY up their performance game. They have been behind the power curve for their entire existence. Those brands command their prices through an INSANE glut of ridiculous power while also being some of the quietest and most refined rides around, some lean harder toward all out performance, but ALL of them pride themselves on gobs of power and refinement.
Harley has a ton of homework to do if that’s where they want to be grouped.
@@HarleyGeezer1954 That's my guess. They know what they're doing - whether we agree with it is a different question.
@@BrandonWest87 I don't disagree with you. But that's where I think they're heading.
Great video! And yes! There are a 100 other channels who only oooh ad aaah over the damn paint colors! They all do the same shit!
@@lloydsuddreth5343 most of them have relationships with HD
Buy used from a person not the stealership
Love my Harley but they are out of control way way over priced to say the least to bad
Need more rainbow colors on the new bikes.
They discontinued the Deluxe. Nuf said.
@@chiefjoseph8154 then they ended it
Never thought that but makes me think.
Take the Street Bob....no change to design really so why upgrade ?
Reckon HD just want the wealthy customer and the rest can walk. Still so many 2024 bikes in showrooms they can't off load so who's pay extra $$$ for a 2025 ?
the street bob changed fairly significantly for the 2025 model year.
@@metcruza5536 it’s kids running the show. They have no concept of older riders
@HarleyGeezer1954 well it's like releasing a new truck, that looks exactly like the last 10 models but charging extra.
Update the damn design, not just change the wheels and give us primer gray as standard.
WTF are they thinking ???
@ if you figure it out let me know
@@trudgyhd with some tech and engine size not appearance... except wheels.
Yes, you are wrong.
If Royal Enfield sells a million bikes worldwide by building them in India with labor at 20% of US labor costs and virtually no environmental restrictions, tell me how HD could even begin to compete in that market. Do you see Royal Enfield bikes all over the streets in the US, filling up the parking lots at bike nights? Of course not. Because there is no substantial market in he US for 350 to 650cc retro bikes. Besides RE, there is a glut of other manufacturers in that size/price market, and the profit margins on $6,000 bikes are tiny. HD makes WAY more profit selling T-shirts than it ever could selling beginner bikes in a crowded market where it could not even manage a 10% market share at best. I suppose that next you are going to tell me that Mercedes and Audi need to start selling entry level cars 😂.
@@FFL-vg9ro that seems to be short sighted to me
Merc and Audi DO sell entry level cars. Audi has the A3. Merc has the C-class. They aren’t much more than a comparable Japanese econo car, if at all, with today’s wild market.
I own two older luxury SUVs and both have been phenomenal. 2014 Lincoln Navigator L and a 2016 MB GL450. Paid less than $15k for either of them, the Gator was a hair more but the Benz is the smoothest, quietest, most comfortable ride I’ve ever been in.
One more thing. If HD is a premium brand why do you have to get so many upgrades? Shouldn’t they be fine stock?
I think the simplest answer is GREED!
@@johnbeardsley7360 or short term stupidity
I have a 2006 Road King and a 2002 Electra Glide Ultra Classic . I’m wish you, I’m 63 and will never purchase a new Harley. I’m having just as much fun on my older bikes as the people riding there new ones.
@@bikescarsandcigars5599 that’s happening everywhere.
Your right, most all RUclips ers are about 2025 reveal. Vomit 🤢 10 years ago RUclipsrs took you for a ride. What happened to that?
They don't listen to the rider
@@jefferybeining-oy2eu they used to
Yep Overpriced Especially when All Ur Getting Is A COLOR CHANGE👎🤬👎
They could sell more bikes and make more money if they lowered the damn prices
@@oneofmanyte3321 talking reason doesn’t work. It’s feelings for them
simple answer " INFLATION"
I think, I think that, maybe…you should consider, maybe ponder about intellectually engaging in a more aggressive cognitive function that would enable you to communicate your thoughts in a more fluent manner. In other words, don’t use a paragraph to express what you can in a sentence.
What’s your channel name so I can see your magic in action?
No soup for you !
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Yeah it’s a business model. A lot of people/businesses thrive like that, duhh
2k for paint, not bad really…I paid 7k
Not sure how the HD mothership benefits, profit wise, from sacrificing new sales to prop up the used market?
Unless ur saying there’s more money to be made off parts for service?
HD gets paid through dealer allocation when a bike comes off the line. If they wanted to make a boat ton on parts, they’d tank the quality… but then have huge warranty costs.
I’d say it’s as simple as there’s enough consumers willing to pay the high price, dealers continue to take the allocation and still make out just fine.
One thing I’d LOVE to know….what happens to all the older model year bikes that don’t sell? They seem to just disappear over time. 🤔
@@bigg2768 some are Harley carried from the factory
@@bigg2768 anytime a product retains of the past retains value the perception of the new products goes up