I have a 2004 Dyna Lowrider with 90000 km on it. Motor was updated. S+S crank, heads done, chain drive cams, roller rockers etc etc. Never gonna buy the new price trap.
The CEO said years ago he wants to turn Harley into a premium brand. That means fewer individual sales at higher prices. The guy is doing exactly what he said.
Stellantis tried that with their Jeep/Dodge/Whatever luxury truck brands. Work in the trades and want a work truck? Too bad. Everybody stopped buying that overpriced junk and the company is serious financial trouble.
So you're saying that all the new technology, bigger engines, and plethora of unnecessary bells and whistles have not affected outrageous pricing? "Just inflation."
@dcccharles4569 literally do 2 minutes of research.... it's easily found online msrp of bikes going back to the 90s. Been broken down by others also.... ruclips.net/video/dcn6kQKiR68/видео.htmlsi=zogGNLPMlDIQZ3h8
I stopped by an Indian dealer today, and they have more used Harleys than they do new Indians. Most of the Harleys were really low miles and varied in models and age , but all were really nice , some only had 4,000-10,000 miles. I would never buy a new Harley with so many good used ones available.
I’m a Harley guy, but Harley is going to have a dismal year. Our dealer group still has 45 new 2023s and are filled with 2024s. They think raising the prices are going to help sales? Good luck.
@JA-zh5xi I think the marketing geniuses at the MOCO are doing a great job for their competitors. I'll stick with my 20 yr old TC and 27 yr old Evo. 🇺🇸
Who said Higher Prices would help sales? The CEO's are trying to boost profits for their share holders and their Stock Option Bounouses What is a Dealer Group? How many locations are in your Dealer Group?
The one dealer here in Edmonton, Canada seems to be selling them as they have so many used bike right now they have to put them in the back and you can hardly move in there trying to look at them !
Royal Enfield have absolutely nailed their business plan and their product lineup. Yeah, of course they have cult status in India which is a huge market, but they've also been successful in tapping into the learner market in Europe/ UK/ Australia and New Zealand. If rumours are true and they are developing an 850 (possibly for the US market), they'll add even more sales to that number. There's a lot that other manufacturers could learn from RE in the current economic environment.
I always buy used bikes. Some nice some not running. My latest is a 2006 Triumph Tiger. Only 25,000 miles, injection but no ABS or other electronics crap. Me and my nephew are touring Patagonia on old Hondas. Gravel roads and extreme winds have taken a toll. Both of us had our bikes blown down. Pretty beat up but still running.
@@tomdillon6758 I've got a 2015 Kawasaki W800 which I purchased in 2023 with a little under 1000 miles on it. It cost me $5k USD (I'm in Australia) and I had to replace the tyres (they were perished!) Aside from a little bit of paint that had burned off the valve cover, the bike was in absolute showroom condition. In fact, it was so good that when I booked the bike in for a roadworthy certificate, my mechanic called me and asked why I was getting a roadworthy certificate on a brand new bike! I reckon the trick is to have a long list of bikes that are suitable for what you want it for and take the first one that you find that's in really good condition with low mileage. They are out there, but beggars can't be choosers. Keep an open mind and you will save thousands. I've always bought cars the same way.
@johnsb1550 what prices exactly? The same as they always have been? You're used to inflation at the grocery store and the car lot but harley is supposed to make better bikes and sell for what they did 20 years ago and take a loss? They haven't raised prices outside inflation for 30+ years. Pretty easy info to find. In fact, the street glide came out in 06 and adjusted for inflation, the 25 street glide is CHEAPER. for a much better bike. But yet you guys wanna bitch
@@johnsb1550 what prices? The price they were 30 years ago factoring in inflation? Should harley not account for that and lose money? Look up msrp on an 06 (first year) street glide and do the inflation calculations. The 25 is CHEAPER than the 06.
Aside from a '77 FXE, and '80 XLH. I've got an'02 FXD and a ' 00 Road King Classic. Like you I'm very happy with my 2 twin cams and have absolutely no thoughts on any new Harley. I hate the new styling anyway.
agreed...my 05 fxdwi runs great...would love a new or newer..but with a good runner than is paid for,why would I even think about 30,000 plus for a new one..
10 4 Mine 01 And I'm Still Slapping Da Pavement And Getting Thumps Up. SHEEEET!!! Over 30 "Thousand" SHEEEET... FLOCK DAT! And Like You Said: "AND IT'S PAID FOR"! SHEEEET!
Bought one new Harley in my life time. 1995 Heritage Softail Classic $14,999 ( sticker) . I've had 4 bikes since all low mileage used haven't paid over $11K. In fact my last Heritage (2014 , 3 thousand miles ) I bought in 2019 paid $8k. Paying the price for new one is just crazy.
@@krogersucks45 14,995 ok 1995 is over 30k today accounting for inflation. So they've gotten cheaper. Considering I bought a new anniversary heritage for my wife for 22 last year
Factoring for inflation that Heritage would be almost $31,000 today’s dollars. I bought a ‘92 1200 Sportster for around $7200 in ‘97. Not much depreciation on them back then.
I paid 5000 for my 92 Heritage and it had 9200 miles on it other than Dust from sitting it was in MINT condition once I washed it it looked like it just rolled off the showroom floor for the first time and it was 30 years old at that time, it had a 6 spd gear box on it and I think it had the Original tires on it. I've changed the Cam and carb but other than that it's still pretty much orig and runs Great.
You have to pay for them to get the chrome off of the old used motorcycle parts by dipping it in degreaser.. lol that costs money, time, and labor.. excellent observation.. excellent analogy
When they quoted me $185-$225 a day just for a rental, back in 2018, I just about fell over. I told them that I could afford to rent a Cadillac for less than that. And when I actually bought my Cadillac in 2022, it was less than a CVO. Imagine that. Buying a new Cadillac for less than a Harley Davidson. Perhaps this is why dealers are closing up shop by me. People have wised up.
Harleys have always been over rated. You can buy a 2023,or 2024 Moto Guzzi for less than $14000, and it will run forever with minimal maintenance. And it's still a V twin, WITH SHAFT DRIVE!!!
Well I feel bad for the dealers too. They’re forced to fit the Harley Davidson mold. Corporate killed all the ma and pa dealerships and now they just have huge multimillion dollar clothing stores with a bunch of leftover bikes
@@mudnducs let me guess, the woke shit? But you're okay using your woke phone and supporting a woke platform to watch and comment. If you only care when it's convenient, you're an idiot.
@@frankfurther3828ok hardcore guy… here is a thought… lot of us work long hours all week and don’t get as much free time to hop on a bike as we might prefer. Maybe stop trying to be a gatekeeper.
Harley doesn't get in. How does a guy with a wife, two kids, a mortgage and mini van afford a 32,000 bike??? The market they want operate in is very small
That's what I am trying to understand, they have really narrowed their market which is going to cause them shrink rather than grow. Kind of like how many Ford, Chevy and Dodge dealers do you see compared to Mercedes out there.
You are correct…these prices are insane! The demographic willing to pay these prices and keep HD’s current pricing scheme afloat won’t last forever. Used market prices are dropping by the month. That’s where my $$$ is going. Thanks for the great content.
The people with that much cash to splash usually don't like wasting it. So no new eyePhone just because it's out, no new car for the sake of a new car, etc etc etc. At most these people will buy ONE. And they will have it for a long long time. The only way this business model worked before was people willing to get themselves into crippling debt for one, and it seems those people ran out too.
When I go to the grocery store and three bags of groceries, no steaks, no beer, total $70; I’m sorry Herr Zeitz but a new Harley is not in my future. I simply cannot afford one.
PRIMER AND CLEAR COAT Yea not my color choice, I see a lot of vehicles running around with that CLAY color about the same as grey primer W/Clear coat Cheap way to sell a vehicle. Not for me.
@@h.d.mech.mortenson2098 but you expect harley to lose money? The only price increase they've seen in over 30 years is inflation. You guys just want something to bitch about and don't want to be informed
@@girthquake9655 yeah but HD does not work on bikes 10 years or older. Most of us dont have the money and means to get HD proprietary software to run in a scanner. We cant repair our own bikes
Yes but the owners of those used bikes usually think that they have a pot of gold for sale. They want practically dealer prices aside from the taxes and fees a dealer adds on. It's a toss up on whether or not the bike is sound or if it has internal problems that have yet to present itself.
I still love wrenching my early 78 fxe. I have 3 of those amf's. My 76 is a butt bumper with a z-beater kit in it. My 77 is a loaner to friends who may be down .. knees in the breeze -- ride safe 👌
GixxerFoo, exactly what I did. After HD announced the Dyna was dead, I picked up a 2014.5 Low Rider with 164 miles on it in 2019. I picked up a 1999 Wide Glide with 6,837 miles and Harley paint set last month. Total price for both bikes, $17,000. That's less than you would pay for a new Street Bob! 👌
A few years back sold my HD kept my metric RoadStar which has been bombproof, and then in '22 bought a sport tourer. If I want to ride my perfect running and riding 800lb rolling recliner I can, all year long. When I hop on the Concours it's always a joy. No thanks on another HD for this retired old man.
Up the price - less sales. Just another way they are going to devide the real riders from the ones that can afford to be riders... Bad business all the way around.
@@ranchodeluxe1 LMFAO you need to wake up, put up and show up for your lesson. I've been riding since the 70's every bike ever made, slugs to rockets and you are either really stupid or big time troll
With everything Harley has pulled on it's loyal riders/customers in the past few years they should be begging people to buy new bikes, not raising the prices. They need to understand they aren't the only game in town. True most Harley riders, myself included are a very loyal bunch but loyalty has its limits. Shame the limit will be dictated by our pocket books. Hopefully Harley will have a major rethink and change upper management and bring in a team that understand riders and revamp their sales strategies. Just hope it doesn't take the end of Harley to make them see the error of their ways.
@@powder600 As they say, People in high places will FALL, And their on their way now,, they'll be begging to get people to buy, I wait until all their bikes end up at auctions,
100% agree, they just aren't worth the price. I call the gray color just primer with cleat coat. Not many options for the money anymore. I'll Stick with my EG TC88(102)
Black isn't a color and they want to charge you extra for that?? Also why would't you want to show off your bike? Black just hides the shape and makes it blend into the pavement. I love my bright orange color, makes the bike very visible and I allways get great comments when ever I stop! 😁
I bought new Kawa 454LTD in 1984. I bought motorcycle magazine at the same time because the issue compared the latest Harley against my model of Kawa 454. The zero to 60 times, 0 to 1/4 mile times and the top speed were all faster on the Kawa! There was also a full page Harley ad that showed a picture of a Harley and had the caption "Thank god they don't leak oil any more!" 😳
I will buy a older used bike from a independent dealer. I have two now and I am going to put a third bike in my barn before I retire , but it won't be a new one at the insane prices they want.
Yeah Aussie prices are already around $45,000 to $50,000 here for touring models. They can stick it for those prices, I’ll just keep my old Dyna instead.
I stopped in the Indian showroom today in Myrtle Beach, a bagger there was $34999. These prices are crazy for a motorcycle that neither HD or Indian will likely have parts or knowledge to keep them on the road. I know for fact my evo will still be going long after these new bikes are in a scrap pile
What is the best year and model EVO heritage Softail classic or road King classic to buy second hand thanks so much the new Harley's are way too expensive for us mere battlers who just love to ride something that keeps on going my last Harley Davidson was the road King classic 2012 with the 103cui thanks for your help and time 🙏
This stuff is insane !!! A couple of buddies and I stopped at several dealers late summer of 24. When i looked at those price tags, my blood pressure immediately went up !!!! As you said, those dealers also had a huge inventory of 23s. Looks like the RV industry. Lots are full !!! It looks like the CEOs are not looking to create anything for the customer. They are creating for their own pocket !!!
@bruce1816 you need to educate yourself. Takes 2 minutes to know what you're talking about instead of talking out your ass and spreading bs. They havent raised prices except inflation for 30+ years. An 06 street glide was MORE EXPENSIVE than a 25 when accounting for inflation
Not only the out the door price, add the potential cost of what it takes to get it running like it should, and cooler ie pipes, breather, stage one just to start
Oh yeah we are just talking the sticker, then the tag, tax, title and whatever dealer fees you'll have. Tack on another 1200 bucks for exhaust, air cleaner and a tune easily with the cost of things today. Not to mention if you pop for an extended warranty.
It's definitely getting tough to justify. They are going to get to a point where they are going to have to start moving machines and not just making more on each one.
@GixxerFoo you need to do some research and educate yourself. You usually have good info but seems you're just trying to be sensational now. Harley hasn't increased prices in over 30 years except inflation. They had an introductory price for 2024 to gain interest in a big change because harley buyers are notoriously afraid of change. The 25 is the exact same price as a 23 special was and for a better bike. 06 street glide is MORE expensive than a 25 when accounting for inflation. This information is easily found and has been broken down in other videos. I expect better from you. Usually you have good info, this is shit.
This is ridiculous what Harley wants for a new bike,what about the blue collar worker who has kids,needs food,mortgage and all that other stuff? But yet they want a Harley? They’re screwed
Blue collar.. You mean my neighbor.. the nice guy, with a wife and kid, who had his, for a year and half and took it back to the dealership, because it was too high.. they stole him and his wife's joyrides and pleasure right off their asses.... America isn't even about enjoyment anymore.. that's the problem.. freaking rise of the new gay Gestapo ass country
Bring back the road king standard... All i know is ill never be able to afford 30 grand for a new one. Shit i paid 6 grand for my 2004 road king that had a 95" already in it with 525 cams....runs just fine, gonna get a memphis shades shield for it
I can’t even do the square headlights. I didn’t want to buy a car. lol. Looks as if HD is sticking to the rich and famous type of client market. Good luck with that proposition.
So nobody else is picked up on or hasn't mentioned ....not only are the prices outrageous...... you start adding on all the dealership fees and then when that financing comes of 6 to 7...... especially here in Michigan you're going to be between 6 and 800.00 a month for a freaking motorcycle..... yeah that ain't happening..... the dealership in here in Michigan in Farmington Hills has over 45..........2023's still on the floor..... and a sea of 2024..... yeah Good Luck harly.... and it's not that I can't afford one I own my own plumbing company so that should speak for itself..... but I'm not giving into their bulshit
@KruseProductions did you give up on pickups when they weren't 30k anymore? They're 80 now. Inflation is a thing. They havent raised prices outside inflation in over 30 years. Everybody expects it at the grocery store and car lot but bitches when harley does the same and doesn't sell bikes for a loss. What a joke
It’s clear they jacked the prices up for 2025 to make the thousands of leftover 2024 models more attractive….probably sounded like a great idea until it wasn’t lol
If HD decides to make a bike, that's affordable, it should be a stripped-down no frills ride. Instead of all the add-ons, sell me a motor, tranny, frame, wheels, bars, and lights. I'll figure out the rest...making me pay for stuff that I'm going to replace or don't want is why I'll continue building my own if they can't come up with a roller I can afford.
That's what scares me is if they decided to sell them for less, which they could but you know they would cut corners and quality to make up that difference.
Delphi lifters for H-D TC and Evo motors have been made in Mexico for years. They are better than any of the aftermarkets. My 2001 has 101k miles on two sets of lifters and I've never had a failure. The part I didn't like is the lost jobs.
@ Glad to hear you’ve had luck with yours. The lifters on my brand new 2021 Road Glide started to sound terrible on cold start at 6,000 miles. Dealer said the sound (gravel being shaken around in a coffee can) was “normal”. I replaced them with S&S precision lifters and bike sounds like new again. Take care.
@@trex860 Not just with mine. i was a factory warranty tech for years.I saw the numbers and I knew the engineer who was in charge of H-D lifters. The bikes with failing lifters were almost always Screamin' Eagle units. On the Evo bikes, they would fail the front exhaust on occasion, but that was a geometry issue that existed since 1936.
On another possibility Maybe the German CEO is a Mole from BMW to destroy their big bike competition and it seems if thats true then they picked the right guy. (Of course that's not my opinion.)
The previous American Ceo was the one who moved production and jobs to Thailand and Harley Doesnt make sports bikes and Harley have moved into BMW's territory with adventure bikes
You aren’t wrong my dealership has TONS of older bikes unsold. I know most people don’t count them but I picked up a 23 Pan America with only 12 miles for 6500 off cause they were desperate to unload it. I had to take her home, such a fun bike!
Greed is the downfall of many businesses that we never thought would go out of business. HD is gonna price themselves out of a job. Course the bigwigs on top don't care. They've made their millions and could care less if the company tanks. That's just my opinion on HD. The blue collar working man has been priced out of new HD bikes for a while now. Dang shame to! I haven't darkened the doors of any HD dealership for years.
2 of my local H-D dealers in NY,,,have gone out of business,,! H-D will end up selling power Lawnmowers,, Just like H.R.D. Vincent did in their end in the 50ies,,,!
I can afford a new Harley, but I'm not dumb enough to ever purchase one. These prices are pure insanity. Buy a used 2 year old bike with low miles. Let some other dip$hit take the hit.
My Dyna TC 88 turns 20yrs old. Aint got all them fancy bells and whistles im absolutely happy with what I have. Here in New Zealand the 2024_5 models sell for over 50k because of the dollar exchange rate. Absolutely ridiculous my TC cost 9k and does the same job as the 25 models just not as fast but ol' school will always be cooler than New school. Awesome video cheers
I'm still riding my '57 FL I bought in '77 for $1200. My "new" bike is an '81 FLH bought new for $5500 And dealer threw in an HD helmet. I don't need an infotainment screen.
@@martincvitkovich724 I'm 70 y o and had one or more motorcycles since the age of 12. Got first Harley at age 15 ('64 FL). Never wanted a radio or heated grips. Bunch of sissies.
Yeah, I'm with you my man these things can sit and collect dust on the showroom floor. The sales people will have plenty of time to dream about selling at these prices.
I can afford one but I can’t seeing making them richer, in my mind no motorcycle is worth $30k plus, but that’s just me. I bought an 08 softail with 9000 miles for $5,800.00 and I’m very happy with that.
2024 at the Macon Ga dealer is 32K. Add in all the fees and now we are looking at 33,500. Add in sales tax and now we are at 35,500. Then to get a performance bike that sounds good, one must spend 3500 for new pipes, breather, tuner, and dyno. You might go from 105HP to 110 HP. so your 32K bike is now 37K. I can buy a Honda Gold wing which is wayyyyy more comfortable and reliable and has 125HP. for 25K 2024 year model. I can buy a BMW for 30K every factory option running at 160HP.. Even the Indians have more horse power and better color. At least Indian doesnt try to swindle its customers on paint. HD can KMA. I am not ever paying for custom paint. That F'n paint should be factory.
@@kevindecker9444Lots of misinformation here. 24 Road and Street Glides start at $25999. Should be about 29-32k OTD. Also Indian offers 3 colors on their top spec touring bikes and charges $2000 more for two of them. Hate Harley all you want, but at least get accurate information first.
Yeh, for a year or two. Followed swiftly by bankruptcy. You'd think a regressive buzzword-obsessed prick like him would comprehend the meaning of the word "unsustainable".
@ I had an 2018 goldwing and loved it but after a year I heard ticking sound and dealer said it was slag from cheap welding of headers and it scored my cylinder. Dealer said it would be covered. After 6 months Japan said we are not covering it so your going to have to eat it. Had extended warranty.
Did you finally say what I think you said... I think the fairing is the stupidest shaped thing on the planet earth.. dude.. you need a radio that bad?? Listen to your engine.. God damn!?! Maybe if they made them like a teddy bear head or a lions face or a dragons head with horns.. but what the heck is that big box on the handlebars for?? Who wasn't creative at all, long ago?!? LMAO
I'm keepn my 2019 RK Special that I put 12k miles a year on. I'd rather spend 5-8k for a new motor than 35k for a new bike and then have to put all the upgrades and suspension on...
Harley MoCo hasn't made a motorcycle that I want in a quarter Century. What made me love Harleys just isn't there anymore. 20th Century Harley Davidson is the Best Harley Harley Davidson.
yes, we don't need all that bS they stuff into them. The whiners bellyache "I won't buy a HD because the are low tech: So HD listened and put that crap in their bikes. Now the Whiners are complaining about the price. In the 70's I rode 20-30 year old bikes, never went to the dealer. It;s the same today
I don't even know what they are doing with their pricing. I know you can't get a straight answer from my dealer. I went shopping and found a 23 Heritage Classic. The color wasn't horrible, and it was listed as marked down $8k. I was ready to pull the trigger, but I preferred a 24 with a better color. Asked the salesman to figure up a deal so I could compare. It was $400 over the 23 price. Asked him what happened to the $8k difference, he said that included the added fees. Well, it did on both years. They won't put the price tag on bikes. Think there are scams going on.
New ones have a lot of upsides but they are not worth parting with that kind of money for even if you've got the cash... unless it's just something you really really want.
Harley is on a path of destruction. There’s nothing more to say. There is nothing that makes me want a new Harley. The classic Harley’s are the bikes I will always treasure. But, new bike, look at the power you get for 20 K from Indian . They are at least trying to meet customers half way.
All motorcycle sales are in a free fall plummet at the moment. HD can keep all their bikes. I wont buy any HD again. I would buy an Indian first and then perhaps a Honda Gold Wing. CVO priced at 64K in my town
@bradduffield9603 because you don't understand inflation? 25 is no more expensive than your 17. Harley hasn't raised prices outside inflation in over 30 years. You just just wanna bitch
I almost bought a new 2025 Road Glide but decided to keep my 2016 Street Glide instead. I couldn't justify trading in my bike that's paid off for $10k & making payments in excess of $400 a month.
I think they're a huge improvement from the old.. the old one made me not understand it's purpose or design or look.. yeh.. if it's WW11 and I'm driving, with a passenger shooting, then I'd want a big giant fairing, if the enemy was trying to bust a cap in my ass.. but this is just regular traffic.. lol regular shootings.. and a chick on the back.. you don't need that big ass fairing.. don't wanna argue about it tho
I enjoyed this video, iam with you on this price thing, iam just gonna hold on to my 07 softail for a while longer my friend,I love your videos keep em coming bro👍🏻😀💯💯💯
If the CEO and the Board of Directors are still in force, this means absolutely nothing. You can't paint a pig a different color and not still call it a pig.
@@Scott-rr7dy I agree, and I think they DO get such feedback from MANY sources, but they fell silent and pulled the masquerade of 'stepping back on DEI' and it seems to me people are buying it. These internet 'influencers' should be relentless in getting the CEO and the BOD completely replaced, or this garbage will continue.
I'm just going to rebuild my Twin Cam and ride it until the wheels fall off. Then buy some new wheels and ride it some more.
Lmfaoff 🤣🤣
I have a 2016 twin cam road glide that I own outright and I have zero plans for a new bike, I’ll just fix or rebuild it when necessary.
I recommend an S&S crank. Put one in my TC96 softail when I rebuilt the engine last year and it makes it run so much smoother!
@@samslade739 people talk smack about the 88 twin cam but when I fire up my evo Softail and then fire up my 02 ultra classic next to it it sounds mean
I have a 2004 Dyna Lowrider with 90000 km on it. Motor was updated. S+S crank, heads done, chain drive cams, roller rockers etc etc. Never gonna buy the new price trap.
The CEO said years ago he wants to turn Harley into a premium brand. That means fewer individual sales at higher prices. The guy is doing exactly what he said.
aka Market saturation
Good luck to the kraut. Asshat.
Stellantis tried that with their Jeep/Dodge/Whatever luxury truck brands. Work in the trades and want a work truck? Too bad. Everybody stopped buying that overpriced junk and the company is serious financial trouble.
@@joels7605 Rams are made of re-recycled chinese steel and will rust on the lot if not sold quick enough.
@@frankfurther3828 panelbeater shop rents our sheds. almost exclusively ram now... quite a few have front wheels fall off for no apparent reason?
Harley is becoming so good at being exclusive that now they are excluding their own customers 😆.
Dealerships are now museums.
@@jamessouthworth1699 you need to inform yourself. Prices haven't gone up outside inflation for 30+ years. They've never been cheap
So you're saying that all the new technology, bigger engines, and plethora of unnecessary bells and whistles have not affected outrageous pricing? "Just inflation."
@dcccharles4569 literally do 2 minutes of research.... it's easily found online msrp of bikes going back to the 90s. Been broken down by others also....
ruclips.net/video/dcn6kQKiR68/видео.htmlsi=zogGNLPMlDIQZ3h8
@@Axle-7 I never cited inflation, its greed.
Yes Harley used to be MUCH cheaper even if you factor in inflation.
@@dcccharles4569 I'm saying the opposite. Even if you factor in inflation it doesn't add up. It's greed and bloated motorcycles.
I stopped by an Indian dealer today, and they have more used Harleys than they do new Indians. Most of the Harleys were really low miles and varied in models and age , but all were really nice , some only had 4,000-10,000 miles. I would never buy a new Harley with so many good used ones available.
The Indian dealer in Sturgis stays in business selling used H-d touring bikes. to hear them tell it, they are all trade-ins.
@@flexjay87 Yes and most used Harleys already have performance upgrades, a the owners will take good care of their bikes, so used is the way to go.
I bought my used Harley and my used Triumph at a Japanese powersports dealer. Best way to get a deal...
I’m willing to bet they move more Harley’s than the Harley dealer
The question you have to ask is why are Harley owners trading in their bikes for Indians?
I’m a Harley guy, but Harley is going to have a dismal year. Our dealer group still has 45 new 2023s and are filled with 2024s. They think raising the prices are going to help sales? Good luck.
@JA-zh5xi I think the marketing geniuses at the MOCO are doing a great job for their competitors. I'll stick with my 20 yr old TC and 27 yr old Evo. 🇺🇸
That's crazy they still have that many units in stock... Harley is absolutely killing the dealerships.
Absolutely agree. My FXDWGI turns 20 in June and I ain't changing it anytime soon @pg981
Who said Higher Prices would help sales? The CEO's are trying to boost profits for their share holders and their Stock Option Bounouses
What is a Dealer Group? How many locations are in your Dealer Group?
The one dealer here in Edmonton, Canada seems to be selling them as they have so many used bike right now they have to put them in the back and you can hardly move in there trying to look at them !
This is why Royal Enfield sold a MILLION bikes last year where HD struggled to sell 140000 world wide
Royal Enfield have absolutely nailed their business plan and their product lineup. Yeah, of course they have cult status in India which is a huge market, but they've also been successful in tapping into the learner market in Europe/ UK/ Australia and New Zealand.
If rumours are true and they are developing an 850 (possibly for the US market), they'll add even more sales to that number. There's a lot that other manufacturers could learn from RE in the current economic environment.
They have to sell a million. They are small margin units.
My point is HD sales are tanking and are around half what they were twenty years ago.
@@DavoBatty Way too many being produced, in the name of greed.
To me making less and selling more is even.
I'm perfectly happy buying lightly used bikes at this point in my life.
as we should be..ride on
I agree 100%
I buy only seriosly low mileage bikes. Go thru them, tires etc. and you have a cheap new bike.
I always buy used bikes. Some nice some not running. My latest is a 2006 Triumph Tiger. Only 25,000 miles, injection but no ABS or other electronics crap. Me and my nephew are touring Patagonia on old Hondas. Gravel roads and extreme winds have taken a toll. Both of us had our bikes blown down. Pretty beat up but still running.
@@tomdillon6758 I've got a 2015 Kawasaki W800 which I purchased in 2023 with a little under 1000 miles on it. It cost me $5k USD (I'm in Australia) and I had to replace the tyres (they were perished!) Aside from a little bit of paint that had burned off the valve cover, the bike was in absolute showroom condition.
In fact, it was so good that when I booked the bike in for a roadworthy certificate, my mechanic called me and asked why I was getting a roadworthy certificate on a brand new bike!
I reckon the trick is to have a long list of bikes that are suitable for what you want it for and take the first one that you find that's in really good condition with low mileage.
They are out there, but beggars can't be choosers. Keep an open mind and you will save thousands. I've always bought cars the same way.
A carbureted EVO- you can’t go wrong.
Sound better than milwaukee 8 too !!!
Thats a fact. You can rebuild and tune a carb in an afternoon.
The last of the REAL ones.
Still enjoying my 98 WideGlide with its Super e.
@@lachlanmaccormack5427 Love my 97 Road King. Will never need anything else.
At those prices, dealerships are going to turn into museums.
Don't give them any ideas! Can you imagine how much they'd charge to walk in!!
@johnsb1550 what prices exactly? The same as they always have been? You're used to inflation at the grocery store and the car lot but harley is supposed to make better bikes and sell for what they did 20 years ago and take a loss? They haven't raised prices outside inflation for 30+ years. Pretty easy info to find. In fact, the street glide came out in 06 and adjusted for inflation, the 25 street glide is CHEAPER. for a much better bike. But yet you guys wanna bitch
@@johnsb1550 what prices? The price they were 30 years ago factoring in inflation? Should harley not account for that and lose money? Look up msrp on an 06 (first year) street glide and do the inflation calculations. The 25 is CHEAPER than the 06.
@@Axle-7 30 years ago, half of the bike wasn't shipped in boxes from cheap 3rd world countries.
@@markbyfield7050 I don't know too many people that are going to pay an admission charge to go into a T-shirt museum.
Every time I go in my garage, my old 2001 fatboy looks better and better.
Steve You Got That Shit Right!
My 2001 Road King
PAID FOR!!!
Pound Safe Brother!
And Hell With Those PRICES!
I still have my 03 FXD and am perfectly happy, it is paid for and still rocks.....
Aside from a '77 FXE, and '80 XLH. I've got an'02 FXD and a ' 00 Road King Classic. Like you I'm very happy with my 2 twin cams and have absolutely no thoughts on any new Harley. I hate the new styling anyway.
agreed...my 05 fxdwi runs great...would love a new or newer..but with a good runner than is paid for,why would I even think about 30,000 plus for a new one..
10 4 Mine 01 And I'm Still Slapping Da Pavement And Getting Thumps Up.
SHEEEET!!!
Over 30 "Thousand" SHEEEET...
FLOCK DAT!
And Like You Said:
"AND IT'S PAID FOR"!
SHEEEET!
Bought a new 73 xlh for less than $2,000, still ride it today? AdiosMoFo!
@@bigkahuna5445 well that cracked me up. except it is sheit
Finally a channel that isn’t justifying the prices. Seems like everyone else calls it complaining!
Bought one new Harley in my life time. 1995 Heritage Softail Classic $14,999 ( sticker) . I've had 4 bikes since all low mileage used haven't paid over $11K. In fact my last Heritage (2014 , 3 thousand miles ) I bought in 2019 paid $8k. Paying the price for new one is just crazy.
@@krogersucks45 14,995 ok 1995 is over 30k today accounting for inflation. So they've gotten cheaper. Considering I bought a new anniversary heritage for my wife for 22 last year
Factoring for inflation that Heritage would be almost $31,000 today’s dollars.
I bought a ‘92 1200 Sportster for around $7200 in ‘97. Not much depreciation on them back then.
@@jeremyweaver3016 Yes. Most don't even have the clue about the value. Thank you for reminding them.....but I think they'd rather whine.
I paid 5000 for my 92 Heritage and it had 9200 miles on it other than Dust from sitting it was in MINT condition once I washed it it looked like it just rolled off the showroom floor for the first time and it was 30 years old at that time, it had a 6 spd gear box on it and I think it had the Original tires on it. I've changed the Cam and carb but other than that it's still pretty much orig and runs Great.
When did you ever think black paint cost more to produce than chrome?
Yes,,paint is cheaper then good CHROME,,
BUT,,BLACK color is now popular,,,,H-D knows THAT and takes advantage of its customers,,,!
You have to pay for them to get the chrome off of the old used motorcycle parts by dipping it in degreaser.. lol that costs money, time, and labor.. excellent observation.. excellent analogy
When they quoted me $185-$225 a day just for a rental, back in 2018, I just about fell over. I told them that I could afford to rent a Cadillac for less than that.
And when I actually bought my Cadillac in 2022, it was less than a CVO. Imagine that. Buying a new Cadillac for less than a Harley Davidson.
Perhaps this is why dealers are closing up shop by me. People have wised up.
I tried to rent one myself but she said it would be around $600 per day. They have $500 coupon for a used bike buy.
Bikes are always more expensive than cars.
@@Karrpilot Wow,
Harleys have always been over rated. You can buy a 2023,or 2024 Moto Guzzi for less than $14000, and it will run forever with minimal maintenance. And it's still a V twin, WITH SHAFT DRIVE!!!
Cadi can carry more bikini babes to the beach as well! 😁
Don't forget the 6000 dollar dealer markup . Why is the dealer markup so high ? People are stupid enough to pay it , along with high interest rates .
And this is why everything is too expensive. Too many morons who will pay the high prices. SMH
Well I feel bad for the dealers too. They’re forced to fit the Harley Davidson mold. Corporate killed all the ma and pa dealerships and now they just have huge multimillion dollar clothing stores with a bunch of leftover bikes
Do you work for free?
Hey Dennis, my VSTROM that I bought last year with 12k km was less than $6000.00! Leaves me enough to buy gas! 😁
I still haven’t forgotten about their slap in the face to their customers last year.
#### Harley.
That was pretty bad to say the least, they really lost their minds.
Im with you
I agree, they never should have abandoned the Victory
@@mudnducs let me guess, the woke shit? But you're okay using your woke phone and supporting a woke platform to watch and comment. If you only care when it's convenient, you're an idiot.
You mean what political activists did to Harley Davidson. Or are you one of them political activists?
They’re not making bikes for American Working Men!
They’re for Dentists and Accountants!
Outside of the Sportster they pretty much always were & why many buy / bought used.
aka weekend posers.
@@frankfurther3828ok hardcore guy… here is a thought… lot of us work long hours all week and don’t get as much free time to hop on a bike as we might prefer. Maybe stop trying to be a gatekeeper.
Dentists with attitude
@@johnroche5104 never really did
Harley doesn't get in. How does a guy with a wife, two kids, a mortgage and mini van afford a 32,000 bike??? The market they want operate in is very small
Not the target consumer my friend.
@@Maggieismydog
It's not ? Lol
@ no, only supposed to have one child! Haha!
That's what I am trying to understand, they have really narrowed their market which is going to cause them shrink rather than grow. Kind of like how many Ford, Chevy and Dodge dealers do you see compared to Mercedes out there.
@ well, the way the world is going, only electric vehicles will be allowed on the roads in 10 years.
You are correct…these prices are insane! The demographic willing to pay these prices and keep HD’s current pricing scheme afloat won’t last forever. Used market prices are dropping by the month. That’s where my $$$ is going. Thanks for the great content.
The people with that much cash to splash usually don't like wasting it. So no new eyePhone just because it's out, no new car for the sake of a new car, etc etc etc.
At most these people will buy ONE. And they will have it for a long long time.
The only way this business model worked before was people willing to get themselves into crippling debt for one, and it seems those people ran out too.
When I go to the grocery store and three bags of groceries, no steaks, no beer, total $70; I’m sorry Herr Zeitz but a new Harley is not in my future. I simply cannot afford one.
Most people can't. It's been that way forever.
@@martincvitkovich724but he’s entitled to a Harley.
Yeah mate it's like that here in NZ too
And I bet those are small bags for $70.00.
3 bags for 70 bucks . . . you jest.
I'm looking forward to the day when primer gray is no longer a fad.
LoL primer !!! LoL no paint lmao
PRIMER AND CLEAR COAT Yea not my color choice, I see a lot of vehicles running around with that CLAY color about the same as grey primer W/Clear coat Cheap way to sell a vehicle. Not for me.
I can't even think of buying a new Harley. They're priced way out of my range.
Right there with you and it gets worse every year.
Yeah it’s sad. It’s not like we all get significant raises every year and the cost of living has gone down !! We don’t and it hasn’t.
@@GixxerFoo so does a loaf of bread. Suck it up. Buy a used one
@@seanday68 just like they were in the 90s because inflation is the only price adjustment they've made?
@@h.d.mech.mortenson2098 but you expect harley to lose money? The only price increase they've seen in over 30 years is inflation. You guys just want something to bitch about and don't want to be informed
I am happy with my old 92 Ultra Glide Classic, still going strong with the reliability of the Evo. 🤘👍😎🍺
Last of the real ones, before they went...Hardley.
Problem is that there is no resale value whatsoever buy used not from the dealership private owner bikes are super cheap
Oh yeah, dealership is going to fork you at every turn even on a used bike that's 10 years old.
Yes. The market is absolutely flooded with cheap Harley's.
@@girthquake9655 yeah but HD does not work on bikes 10 years or older. Most of us dont have the money and means to get HD proprietary software to run in a scanner. We cant repair our own bikes
Yes but the owners of those used bikes usually think that they have a pot of gold for sale. They want practically dealer prices aside from the taxes and fees a dealer adds on. It's a toss up on whether or not the bike is sound or if it has internal problems that have yet to present itself.
@@kevindecker9444 what good are they going to be? ill get a zippers kit an go back to carb twin cam what will you do? 2013fxdc
I still love wrenching my early 78 fxe. I have 3 of those amf's. My 76 is a butt bumper with a z-beater kit in it. My 77 is a loaner to friends who may be down .. knees in the breeze -- ride safe 👌
Save HD, bring back AMF.
Everybody needs a friend.. good job
Makin' the case to buy used and make it your own ! 👍🇺🇸
You could buy two clean used ones and make them totally custom for the cost of just one of these bikes this year.
GixxerFoo, exactly what I did. After HD announced the Dyna was dead, I picked up a 2014.5 Low Rider with 164 miles on it in 2019. I picked up a 1999 Wide Glide with 6,837 miles and Harley paint set last month. Total price for both bikes, $17,000. That's less than you would pay for a new Street Bob! 👌
Thats' alway been the case...nothing new
I think HD knows there's alot of '23 and '24 inventory and the new prices make old inventory look attractive.
My 1992 flhs will take me anywhere wanted to go .
So will my 1991flhs 😊
add my 03 FXD to the list
So will my 99 flhs. With a couple grand I can probably get more performance than one of these super expensive stock bikes.
AMEN brother!
Just sold my 96 Electra Glide Classic. Maybe I shouldn't 😢
Ceo needs to step down!
Amen pal!! I've been making this statement a long time! Cheers!!
A few years back sold my HD kept my metric RoadStar which has been bombproof, and then in '22 bought a sport tourer. If I want to ride my perfect running and riding 800lb rolling recliner I can, all year long. When I hop on the Concours it's always a joy. No thanks on another HD for this retired old man.
slip a Vance and Hines on the C14, you wont regret it
Up the price - less sales. Just another way they are going to devide the real riders from the ones that can afford to be riders... Bad business all the way around.
Love the Concourse
Box stock H-d will eat either bike alive.
@@ranchodeluxe1 LMFAO you need to wake up, put up and show up for your lesson. I've been riding since the 70's every bike ever made, slugs to rockets and you are either really stupid or big time troll
With everything Harley has pulled on it's loyal riders/customers in the past few years they should be begging people to buy new bikes, not raising the prices. They need to understand they aren't the only game in town. True most Harley riders, myself included are a very loyal bunch but loyalty has its limits. Shame the limit will be dictated by our pocket books. Hopefully Harley will have a major rethink and change upper management and bring in a team that understand riders and revamp their sales strategies. Just hope it doesn't take the end of Harley to make them see the error of their ways.
@@powder600 As they say, People in high places will FALL, And their on their way now,, they'll be begging to get people to buy, I wait until all their bikes end up at auctions,
Harley-Davidson has lost there minds
losing minds ok. losing buyers is the prob
Wow…bold new colors and graphics. Heard that every year for 50 years….
KEEP THE BOYCOTT GOING
@@garypayton5081 to only thing I buy at harley, is Pig Spit, for my motor , Crud there shirts are 45 dollars, omg,
Not bad ( the grey one) now they are just lacquering the primer and charging you for the paint that should have been on it to start with 😂😂😂😂
They put the paint on first.. then the primer 🙄
I will never buy new at these prices.
100% agree, they just aren't worth the price. I call the gray color just primer with cleat coat. Not many options for the money anymore. I'll Stick with my EG TC88(102)
They’re charging more for the 25 glides while their dealers still have 24 models sitting on the lot. Help me understand this?
It’s a trick to clear out old stock.
Don't even try.
NO MORE BLACKED OUT BIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bright paint colors, lots of chrome and polished aluminum.
Amen.
Black isn't a color and they want to charge you extra for that?? Also why would't you want to show off your bike? Black just hides the shape and makes it blend into the pavement. I love my bright orange color, makes the bike very visible and I allways get great comments when ever I stop! 😁
black engines black bikes ,yuk grey, looks shit
Dealer here in Medford Or. Advised me i should have bought the blackout model because they don't show the oil leaks as bad!@@FastSundayflyer
I bought new Kawa 454LTD in 1984. I bought motorcycle magazine at the same time because the issue compared the latest Harley against my model of Kawa 454. The zero to 60 times, 0 to 1/4 mile times and the top speed were all faster on the Kawa! There was also a full page Harley ad that showed a picture of a Harley and had the caption "Thank god they don't leak oil any more!" 😳
I've got an 08 Low Rider almost stock that I'm really happy with. I can easily afford a new HD but I wouldn't even consider it at those prices.
Well it seems if they wanted to go out of business they got the right guy at the top. Harley is not a shoe you replace every year
Yes, it is due to the electronics overuse. Gone are the days when you could buy a new HD and keep it for even 10 years.
I will buy a older used bike from a independent dealer. I have two now and I am going to put a third bike in my barn before I retire , but it won't be a new one at the insane prices they want.
Yeah Aussie prices are already around $45,000 to $50,000 here for touring models.
They can stick it for those prices, I’ll just keep my old Dyna instead.
Harley Heaven Ringwood
HARLEY-DAVIDSON ROAD GLIDE CVO 2024
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$63,995.00
Ride Away
Wow. Those prices are ridiculous.
I figured they would go up but not 1800 bucks for the same bike!
especially for a halfcar.
I stopped in the Indian showroom today in Myrtle Beach, a bagger there was $34999. These prices are crazy for a motorcycle that neither HD or Indian will likely have parts or knowledge to keep them on the road. I know for fact my evo will still be going long after these new bikes are in a scrap pile
Evo's forever!
Love myrtyl
What is the best year and model EVO heritage Softail classic or road King classic to buy second hand thanks so much the new Harley's are way too expensive for us mere battlers who just love to ride something that keeps on going my last Harley Davidson was the road King classic 2012 with the 103cui thanks for your help and time 🙏
EVO: Last line of real HD.
Longevity on any machine is all up to the person. I have almost every model made and they all run fine because of ME. No shops ever
Wow new paint.
This stuff is insane !!! A couple of buddies and I stopped at several dealers late summer of 24. When i looked at those price tags, my blood pressure immediately went up !!!! As you said, those dealers also had a huge inventory of 23s. Looks like the RV industry. Lots are full !!! It looks like the CEOs are not looking to create anything for the customer. They are creating for their own pocket !!!
@bruce1816 you need to educate yourself. Takes 2 minutes to know what you're talking about instead of talking out your ass and spreading bs. They havent raised prices except inflation for 30+ years. An 06 street glide was MORE EXPENSIVE than a 25 when accounting for inflation
@Axle-7 and you my friend must be a keyboard king !!!
@bruce1816 why? Because i don't post about shit I'm uneducated on?
Pretty easy to inform yourself instead of whining.
Not only the out the door price, add the potential cost of what it takes to get it running like it should, and cooler ie pipes, breather, stage one just to start
Oh yeah we are just talking the sticker, then the tag, tax, title and whatever dealer fees you'll have. Tack on another 1200 bucks for exhaust, air cleaner and a tune easily with the cost of things today. Not to mention if you pop for an extended warranty.
@@GixxerFoo 1200 are you out of your mind? I paid 2200 for vance and hines pipes in 2017, tuner and breather was another 1000.
I opt for 1965 blue and white Electra-glide , All chromed out , Thank-you very much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😊
Great video Gixx, they can't justify the cost, we are being priced out of the market
It's definitely getting tough to justify. They are going to get to a point where they are going to have to start moving machines and not just making more on each one.
@GixxerFoo you need to do some research and educate yourself. You usually have good info but seems you're just trying to be sensational now. Harley hasn't increased prices in over 30 years except inflation. They had an introductory price for 2024 to gain interest in a big change because harley buyers are notoriously afraid of change. The 25 is the exact same price as a 23 special was and for a better bike. 06 street glide is MORE expensive than a 25 when accounting for inflation. This information is easily found and has been broken down in other videos. I expect better from you. Usually you have good info, this is shit.
@@Axle-7 pppppffffttttt
@@GixxerFooI think your channel is taking off, 19 hrs in and already over 34k views. You must be touching a nerve out there
This is ridiculous what Harley wants for a new bike,what about the blue collar worker who has kids,needs food,mortgage and all that other stuff? But yet they want a Harley? They’re screwed
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HD's were once made BY and FOR us blue collar workers. Now made only for posers who don't own a wrench or a callous.
Or blue collar retired
Blue collar.. You mean my neighbor.. the nice guy, with a wife and kid, who had his, for a year and half and took it back to the dealership, because it was too high.. they stole him and his wife's joyrides and pleasure right off their asses.... America isn't even about enjoyment anymore.. that's the problem.. freaking rise of the new gay Gestapo ass country
@ agreed
Bring back the road king standard...
All i know is ill never be able to afford 30 grand for a new one.
Shit i paid 6 grand for my 2004 road king that had a 95" already in it with 525 cams....runs just fine, gonna get a memphis shades shield for it
@@michaelmitchell5909 bring the standard models! Very affordable for just about anyone
I have 04 road glide, with 95 jug kit with 120,000 runs great no problem taking it coast to coast I'm good ,
I can’t even do the square headlights. I didn’t want to buy a car. lol. Looks as if HD is sticking to the rich and famous type of client market. Good luck with that proposition.
Yeah, they aren't making it easy on the average guy to get on a new bike!
So nobody else is picked up on or hasn't mentioned ....not only are the prices outrageous...... you start adding on all the dealership fees and then when that financing comes of 6 to 7...... especially here in Michigan you're going to be between 6 and 800.00 a month for a freaking motorcycle..... yeah that ain't happening..... the dealership in here in Michigan in Farmington Hills has over 45..........2023's still on the floor..... and a sea of 2024..... yeah Good Luck harly.... and it's not that I can't afford one I own my own plumbing company so that should speak for itself..... but I'm not giving into their bulshit
Good stuff as usual. I gave up when they topped $20K. I stock bike should never cost that much. Take care, catch you next week.
It's insane how they just keep going up!
@KruseProductions did you give up on pickups when they weren't 30k anymore? They're 80 now. Inflation is a thing. They havent raised prices outside inflation in over 30 years. Everybody expects it at the grocery store and car lot but bitches when harley does the same and doesn't sell bikes for a loss. What a joke
Makes me wonder, is it on purpose? Maybe Elon will buy it @@GixxerFoo
It’s clear they jacked the prices up for 2025 to make the thousands of leftover 2024 models more attractive….probably sounded like a great idea until it wasn’t lol
If HD decides to make a bike, that's affordable, it should be a stripped-down no frills ride. Instead of all the add-ons, sell me a motor, tranny, frame, wheels, bars, and lights. I'll figure out the rest...making me pay for stuff that I'm going to replace or don't want is why I'll continue building my own if they can't come up with a roller I can afford.
That's what scares me is if they decided to sell them for less, which they could but you know they would cut corners and quality to make up that difference.
That's called an Electra Glide Standard.
aka the discontinued FLHS and the discontinued FLHT. FU, Jochen.
@@mikaldene7146 or the stuff fails
Stock does not Rock LoL LMAO we don't want to upset millions tho
I’ll stick with my old bike!
$30k, $40k, $50k, all with Made in Mexico hydraulic lifters just waiting to sound like gravel being shaken around in a coffee can.
Delphi lifters for H-D TC and Evo motors have been made in Mexico for years. They are better than any of the aftermarkets. My 2001 has 101k miles on two sets of lifters and I've never had a failure. The part I didn't like is the lost jobs.
@ Glad to hear you’ve had luck with yours. The lifters on my brand new 2021 Road Glide started to sound terrible on cold start at 6,000 miles. Dealer said the sound (gravel being shaken around in a coffee can) was “normal”. I replaced them with S&S precision lifters and bike sounds like new again. Take care.
@@trex860 Not just with mine. i was a factory warranty tech for years.I saw the numbers and I knew the engineer who was in charge of H-D lifters. The bikes with failing lifters were almost always Screamin' Eagle units. On the Evo bikes, they would fail the front exhaust on occasion, but that was a geometry issue that existed since 1936.
@ Very common for the lifter that is on the lobe of the cam to bleed down. It might be disconcerting, but it's no quality issue.
Idles like the 1975 Honda CB-450. Soulless.
On another possibility Maybe the German CEO is a Mole from BMW to destroy their big bike competition and it seems if thats true then they picked the right guy. (Of course that's not my opinion.)
The previous American Ceo was the one who moved production and jobs to Thailand and Harley Doesnt make sports bikes and Harley have moved into BMW's territory with adventure bikes
You aren’t wrong my dealership has TONS of older bikes unsold. I know most people don’t count them but I picked up a 23 Pan America with only 12 miles for 6500 off cause they were desperate to unload it. I had to take her home, such a fun bike!
Damn... that's a hell of a deal!! I have kinda been interested in one of those. Be nice to pull off the highway and explore on some dirt roads.
@@GixxerFoo how you feel about a 17999 for a 2022/23 Pan Am Special...brand new? I know a guy .... P.S. appreciate the Cam data videos!
For $30k plus on a luxury item, you're better off buying as much gold as you can and sitting on it to buy three of these used in a few years
Gixx, great video. I don't think HD will lower prices, I think they are in a death spiral that will reward the board and the officers.
You can guarantee they are still going to get their bonuses and perks while everyone doing the real work suffers in that company.
If you didn't know better it would look like planned distruction. A seemingly common feature of modern times.
@@robert-wr6md see: SEARS.
Gotta love out of touch companies. People are struggling and every single one raises prices.
That’s outrageous in my opinion. As a Canadian and our dollar trading at 69 cents I can’t see many selling up here.
So if you sold your HD in the USA you could exchange your USA Dollar for 1.3 Loonies.
and a 25% tariff in retaliation of Trump.
@@mikeskidmore6754 or if you got a bike up here you could save a few bucks
Sold my Harley and I’ll never buy another.
That's nothing to brag about or tell people.. I'm concerned
HD has ensured I'll never be able to afford a new HD ever again. Fine by me. The used market makes more sense anymore. Fffk em.
Greed is the downfall of many businesses that we never thought would go out of business. HD is gonna price themselves out of a job. Course the bigwigs on top don't care. They've made their millions and could care less if the company tanks. That's just my opinion on HD. The blue collar working man has been priced out of new HD bikes for a while now. Dang shame to! I haven't darkened the doors of any HD dealership for years.
2 of my local H-D dealers in NY,,,have gone out of business,,!
H-D will end up selling power Lawnmowers,,
Just like H.R.D. Vincent did in their end in the 50ies,,,!
Exactly; just like monkey wars & Sears
@@victorsamon9672 Reggie Pink, and who else?
Us dedicated EVO and older riders go past the dealerships without a look. Nothing to see there, folks.
@@frankfurther3828 Exactly spot on! My 92 Fatboy will long outlive me lol! Dealerships turned into boutiques instead of motorcycle shops.
They can keep them!
$17,000 STARTING AT price for a Sportster is batshit insane. I can't imagine what they will be with the 2025 prices.
That's what I am waiting to see, supposedly they are coming out with new and updated models this year.
If they want the same or more money for Thailand bikes they're off their rocker
@GixxerFoo I thought it was the Softails were being updated. The revolution max engine motorcycles are being built in Thailand for 2025.
@W9HJBill go look what a sporster 1200 cost in 1995 and do the inflation calculator. They're about the same price. Inflation is a thing.
Ill keep my repowered 08'. Harley thanks for the memories!
I can afford a new Harley, but I'm not dumb enough to ever purchase one. These prices are pure insanity. Buy a used 2 year old bike with low miles. Let some other dip$hit take the hit.
that is how I bought my BMW. Guy paid 30.5K for a 2021. I bought it from him in 2022 for 23K with 1600 miles still under warranty.
My Dyna TC 88 turns 20yrs old. Aint got all them fancy bells and whistles im absolutely happy with what I have. Here in New Zealand the 2024_5 models sell for over 50k because of the dollar exchange rate. Absolutely ridiculous my TC cost 9k and does the same job as the 25 models just not as fast but ol' school will always be cooler than New school. Awesome video cheers
Evo's Forever!
I have ridden for over 35 years and I'll be honest, I have never considered Harley Davidson as their price model has always been out of line.
And they're crap.
I'm still riding my '57 FL I bought in '77 for $1200. My "new" bike is an '81 FLH bought new for $5500 And dealer threw in an HD helmet. I don't need an infotainment screen.
no screen? You mean you dont want a dumb ass loud radio and grip warmers too?
@@martincvitkovich724 I'm 70 y o and had one or more motorcycles since the age of 12. Got first Harley at age 15 ('64 FL). Never wanted a radio or heated grips. Bunch of sissies.
@@bobberguy1 All I want to hear from a infotainment system, is my loud pipes, and the mountain tops,,,
Man... I wouldn't dare touch a phone or look for a song at 65-95mph.. focus on the road.. that's probably why there's so many accidents
Yeah, I'm with you my man these things can sit and collect dust on the showroom floor. The sales people will have plenty of time to dream about selling at these prices.
Harley lost me forever when they chose R.U.B.s over BIKERS in the 1990's...HD stands for HUNDRED BUCKS...EVERY TIME YOU WALK THRU THE DOOR.
LoL H.D. hundred dollars
I can afford one but I can’t seeing making them richer, in my mind no motorcycle is worth $30k plus, but that’s just me. I bought an 08 softail with 9000 miles for $5,800.00 and I’m very happy with that.
2024 at the Macon Ga dealer is 32K. Add in all the fees and now we are looking at 33,500. Add in sales tax and now we are at 35,500. Then to get a performance bike that sounds good, one must spend 3500 for new pipes, breather, tuner, and dyno. You might go from 105HP to 110 HP. so your 32K bike is now 37K. I can buy a Honda Gold wing which is wayyyyy more comfortable and reliable and has 125HP. for 25K 2024 year model. I can buy a BMW for 30K every factory option running at 160HP.. Even the Indians have more horse power and better color. At least Indian doesnt try to swindle its customers on paint. HD can KMA. I am not ever paying for custom paint. That F'n paint should be factory.
@@kevindecker9444Lots of misinformation here. 24 Road and Street Glides start at $25999. Should be about 29-32k OTD. Also Indian offers 3 colors on their top spec touring bikes and charges $2000 more for two of them. Hate Harley all you want, but at least get accurate information first.
You bet ; good purchase!
Zeitz said he wanted HD to be a Ferrari brand and that means BIG BUCKS. 😢
Yeh, for a year or two. Followed swiftly by bankruptcy.
You'd think a regressive buzzword-obsessed prick like him would comprehend the meaning of the word "unsustainable".
I think they are ugly as hell and the price
they are out of their minds
and the tech problems they have been having- never again!
they are ugly. Indian suspension is way better. I am looking at the Gold Wings
@@kevindecker9444 GW more American content than any new HD.
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I had an 2018 goldwing and loved it but after a year I heard ticking sound and dealer said it was slag from cheap welding of headers and it scored my cylinder. Dealer said it would be covered. After 6 months Japan said we are not covering it so your going to have to eat it. Had extended warranty.
Did you finally say what I think you said... I think the fairing is the stupidest shaped thing on the planet earth.. dude.. you need a radio that bad?? Listen to your engine.. God damn!?! Maybe if they made them like a teddy bear head or a lions face or a dragons head with horns.. but what the heck is that big box on the handlebars for?? Who wasn't creative at all, long ago?!? LMAO
I'm keepn my 2019 RK Special that I put 12k miles a year on. I'd rather spend 5-8k for a new motor than 35k for a new bike and then have to put all the upgrades and suspension on...
Harley MoCo hasn't made a motorcycle that I want in a quarter Century. What made me love Harleys just isn't there anymore. 20th Century Harley Davidson is the Best Harley Harley Davidson.
yes, we don't need all that bS they stuff into them. The whiners bellyache "I won't buy a HD because the are low tech: So HD listened and put that crap in their bikes. Now the Whiners are complaining about the price. In the 70's I rode 20-30 year old bikes, never went to the dealer. It;s the same today
Their best days was when they produced +-125K units/year. All got sold to happy customers, at a profit.
Well said, I feel the same way.
RIP HD Inc, 1903-1999.
They should have just made a rainbow 🌈 paint job that’s more up Harley’s alley now!!
😂 So, does the Motor Factory think everyone's rich now? The first house I bought in 1984 I paid $25,000. I realize the inflation, but damn.
Harley has always been pricier than other brands but not at this level.
The average house today is .5 million
@@michaelveilleux7472 if you buy a new spec house.
Dude!! You know.. inflation!! My parents bought a house for $37,000.. it's worth 100 times that, now.. shit freaking skyrocketed in 50 years
I don't even know what they are doing with their pricing. I know you can't get a straight answer from my dealer. I went shopping and found a 23 Heritage Classic. The color wasn't horrible, and it was listed as marked down $8k. I was ready to pull the trigger, but I preferred a 24 with a better color. Asked the salesman to figure up a deal so I could compare. It was $400 over the 23 price. Asked him what happened to the $8k difference, he said that included the added fees. Well, it did on both years. They won't put the price tag on bikes. Think there are scams going on.
Ridiculous - Harley is pricing themselves out of the market. RIP
@@jontnoneya3404 true story
Great video! I could buy a new HD and I would not need to finance but they are not getting my 30Gs for an overrated battleship gray bike.
New ones have a lot of upsides but they are not worth parting with that kind of money for even if you've got the cash... unless it's just something you really really want.
H D is pricing there self right out of business They really aren't intouch with the people that made them who they are 😢
Jochen and the board wear golf cleats, not engineer boots.
A new Harley isn't doable for me anymore.
Harley is on a path of destruction. There’s nothing more to say. There is nothing that makes me want a new Harley.
The classic Harley’s are the bikes I will always treasure. But, new bike, look at the power you get for 20 K from Indian . They are at least trying to meet customers half way.
Harley is doing a good job of flushing themselves down the toilet, it's total mismanagement at the top.
All motorcycle sales are in a free fall plummet at the moment. HD can keep all their bikes. I wont buy any HD again. I would buy an Indian first and then perhaps a Honda Gold Wing. CVO priced at 64K in my town
A great informative video. The price of the new Harleys is totally ridiculous. I'm sticking with my 2017 street glide.
I like the bikes 2023 and earlier, I think they are going to be better machines in the long run compared to the 2024 redesign.
@bradduffield9603 because you don't understand inflation? 25 is no more expensive than your 17. Harley hasn't raised prices outside inflation in over 30 years. You just just wanna bitch
I almost bought a new 2025 Road Glide but decided to keep my 2016 Street Glide instead. I couldn't justify trading in my bike that's paid off for $10k & making payments in excess of $400 a month.
smart
The new style HD’s fairings or whatever are the fugliest looking crap on the road… wtf
I think they're a huge improvement from the old.. the old one made me not understand it's purpose or design or look.. yeh.. if it's WW11 and I'm driving, with a passenger shooting, then I'd want a big giant fairing, if the enemy was trying to bust a cap in my ass.. but this is just regular traffic.. lol regular shootings.. and a chick on the back.. you don't need that big ass fairing.. don't wanna argue about it tho
I enjoyed this video, iam with you on this price thing, iam just gonna hold on to my 07 softail for a while longer my friend,I love your videos keep em coming bro👍🏻😀💯💯💯
If the CEO and the Board of Directors are still in force, this means absolutely nothing. You can't paint a pig a different color and not still call it a pig.
@@mohawkdriver4155 I don't understand how the Corp, bosses even show up for work. They need to read all these comments...
@@Scott-rr7dy I agree, and I think they DO get such feedback from MANY sources, but they fell silent and pulled the masquerade of 'stepping back on DEI' and it seems to me people are buying it. These internet 'influencers' should be relentless in getting the CEO and the BOD completely replaced, or this garbage will continue.
Hmmm, used HD resale prices have dropped drastically while the new units are stupid expensive. there is no way I would consider new
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Well said; same here!!! Illinois