Excellent video, also for instrument or commercial ratings make sure the cross country flight is over 50 nm straight line from the origin. I have logged a lot of hours this way. I also tried to fly over interesting areas and make it a $100 burger flight. It is affordable and fun!
And when it comes to high performance, tailwheel, or complex aircraft, AOPA has excellent guides on how to properly log these hours and not mistakenly claim hours you’re not eligible for!
Hey there. I am a PPL currently working on IFR Cert using this method to build time. I always share this video with fellow pilots I am sharing time with. I was hoping you could reference the specific regulations you used for this interpretation? Most specifically the regulation that led you to the conclusion that safety pilot does not log XC time if on XC trip while PIC is under the hood. Thank you!!
Thanks for watching and I’m glad the video has come in handy! You can reference this LOI that lays it all out for you. www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/Data/interps/2009/Gebhart_2009_Legal_Interpretation.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0stjwRWk9MctBd8_yk4LfuT4XyiZaW6SkVDAN-zKiVruwK0ySHVSAH_lQ_aem_AQ4RW2xCWiFhcbhWPW-zc2WfD6W2FxgQGYhlC6DtFyRTEEc4GJx7Pp-gyy8OU0K6zpY
I noticed you mentioned the time the plane was rented was 2.0 (i'm assuming hobbs time from startup to shutdown), yet the two pilots only logged their total time based on their total PIC time. This has been a recent issue for me, because I sometimes share time with another pilot just for the sake of building total flight time. He doesn't like to count the total time that the hobbs says between startup to shutdown like every other flight that he does (solo/instruction). He only wants it to match the total PIC time to avoid confusion on the extra 0.2 time that was clearly spent on the ground where no safety pilot was needed. Is this correct?
So if I’m understanding your question properly, you don’t log total time without it being classified as either dual received, pic or sic. There is no such thing as just “total time”. It has to be one of those. So yes the total time should match the pic time logged for each limit, whether it’s pic time as safety pilot or pic time while at the controls. 👍
Is under the hood the only way you can share time like this? If so it's really only useful during instrument training, or if one of you needs to get instrument current. Or am I missing some other option?
For all intents and purposes, yes it’s the only way for private pilots at this level. The reason being that the safety pilot becomes a required crew member and therefore can log the PIC time. There really isn’t another situation where a second required crew member would be required. But you don’t have to be in instrument training to do this. You could go out at any time for any reason with another pilot and assuming one of you is under the hood, you can both log and split that time :-) I’ll be doing it here shortly with a buddy of mine to build multi hours 👍
Great video, I have a small question: if most of your flight is under the hood all the way to the minimums, how much time you subtract for the touch and taxi?
Thanks for watching! The most straight forward answer is you just look at the Hobbs when you put the hood on and look at it again when you take it off so you know how much time you were on instruments :)
I doubt anybody would do it, everybody are throwing the numbers on the paper at the end of the flight. The question is : is it more like 0.4 each time or 0.2
Well that’s what everyone SHOULD be doing lol. It’s not that difficult. But what you’ll find is that ON average with no extended delays on the ground, it’s typically going to be about .2 off the leg time and .4-.5 total off the flight time. 👍
@Mcluvin916 rules are different for CFIs and your friend should be familiar what he can and can’t do. But the short answer is yes, as long as he is actually providing instruction to you while you are in pursuit of your instrument rating or another certificate, then he can log that time. If he’s not instructing and just acting as a safety pilot, then all these rules apply.
Excellent video, also for instrument or commercial ratings make sure the cross country flight is over 50 nm straight line from the origin. I have logged a lot of hours this way. I also tried to fly over interesting areas and make it a $100 burger flight. It is affordable and fun!
I had to to a lot of research to come up with the answer that you so easily explained in a short video! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
And when it comes to high performance, tailwheel, or complex aircraft, AOPA has excellent guides on how to properly log these hours and not mistakenly claim hours you’re not eligible for!
Hey there. I am a PPL currently working on IFR Cert using this method to build time. I always share this video with fellow pilots I am sharing time with. I was hoping you could reference the specific regulations you used for this interpretation? Most specifically the regulation that led you to the conclusion that safety pilot does not log XC time if on XC trip while PIC is under the hood. Thank you!!
Thanks for watching and I’m glad the video has come in handy! You can reference this LOI that lays it all out for you. www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/Data/interps/2009/Gebhart_2009_Legal_Interpretation.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0stjwRWk9MctBd8_yk4LfuT4XyiZaW6SkVDAN-zKiVruwK0ySHVSAH_lQ_aem_AQ4RW2xCWiFhcbhWPW-zc2WfD6W2FxgQGYhlC6DtFyRTEEc4GJx7Pp-gyy8OU0K6zpY
Great video man , super easy to understand it the way you explained it
Glad it helped! Thank you!
I noticed you mentioned the time the plane was rented was 2.0 (i'm assuming hobbs time from startup to shutdown), yet the two pilots only logged their total time based on their total PIC time.
This has been a recent issue for me, because I sometimes share time with another pilot just for the sake of building total flight time. He doesn't like to count the total time that the hobbs says between startup to shutdown like every other flight that he does (solo/instruction). He only wants it to match the total PIC time to avoid confusion on the extra 0.2 time that was clearly spent on the ground where no safety pilot was needed. Is this correct?
So if I’m understanding your question properly, you don’t log total time without it being classified as either dual received, pic or sic. There is no such thing as just “total time”. It has to be one of those. So yes the total time should match the pic time logged for each limit, whether it’s pic time as safety pilot or pic time while at the controls. 👍
Is under the hood the only way you can share time like this? If so it's really only useful during instrument training, or if one of you needs to get instrument current. Or am I missing some other option?
For all intents and purposes, yes it’s the only way for private pilots at this level. The reason being that the safety pilot becomes a required crew member and therefore can log the PIC time. There really isn’t another situation where a second required crew member would be required. But you don’t have to be in instrument training to do this. You could go out at any time for any reason with another pilot and assuming one of you is under the hood, you can both log and split that time :-) I’ll be doing it here shortly with a buddy of mine to build multi hours 👍
Thank you so much. This is exactly the question and the answer I was looking for everywhere. I like your video and I subscribe it to your channel.
Great video, I have a small question: if most of your flight is under the hood all the way to the minimums, how much time you subtract for the touch and taxi?
Thanks for watching! The most straight forward answer is you just look at the Hobbs when you put the hood on and look at it again when you take it off so you know how much time you were on instruments :)
I doubt anybody would do it, everybody are throwing the numbers on the paper at the end of the flight. The question is : is it more like 0.4 each time or 0.2
Well that’s what everyone SHOULD be doing lol. It’s not that difficult. But what you’ll find is that ON average with no extended delays on the ground, it’s typically going to be about .2 off the leg time and .4-.5 total off the flight time. 👍
The examiner I talked to said to take off 0.1 sim instrument for takeoff and another 0.1 sim instrument for landing!
What if my friend flies both legs under the hood? Can I log total PIC for all the time they are under the hood? I just wouldn’t log XC time. Correct?
Correct 👍
@@NorthwestAeronaut^ same questions except what if my friend is a double II. Can he then log that X/C time.
@Mcluvin916 rules are different for CFIs and your friend should be familiar what he can and can’t do. But the short answer is yes, as long as he is actually providing instruction to you while you are in pursuit of your instrument rating or another certificate, then he can log that time. If he’s not instructing and just acting as a safety pilot, then all these rules apply.
Thanks! Great knowledge
If flight is at night do both pilot and safety pilot count it as night time?
Yes. All these are independent of the day/night condition in which the flight was conducted. 👍
Hey I got a question can you log simulated instrument even tho your just under the hood and not flying an approach ?
Absolutely. Being under the hood is the definition of simulated instrument. Has nothing to do with whether you’re flying approaches or not 👍
@@NorthwestAeronaut thanks
Don't both pilots log total time of 2 hours?
Nope. Because the safety pilot can only log the time that the other pilot is under the hood. 👍
@@NorthwestAeronaut So basically your PIC time should always match your total time?
@@bryantmiranda3908 in this particular type of situation, yes.