Ultimate Kang The Conqueror Fights EVERYONE
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Ultimate Invasion (2023) Issue 4
▸ THE END...OR THE BEGINNING? War breaks out as timelines and universes collide! Iron Man must choose between the lesser of two evils - the Maker or Kang. But what secret does Iron Man know about the men behind the masks? And at the end of it all, the world outside your window will be forever changed! Don't miss this giant-sized, action-packed conclusion - or is it only the beginning...?
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It seems like it will be Tony. Kang is clearly wearing an Iron Man-style helmet in this story, and the suit Tony builds is almost identical to the one Kang shows up with.
It would also make sense with the current mcu which seems to be setting up Kang being a descendent of tony.
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@@tommyjarvisstepgrandfather4581 with the idea kang controlled the events of everything predating the Loki series. Kang said the avengers were allowed to mess with time, meaning kang needed those events to happen. Tony also specifically prevented his daughter from dying, preserving his lineage, why else would kang want tony to have a daughter? Plus he invented time travel, kangs specialty. The reason why strange only saw one path to beating thanos is because everything had to happen that specific way because kang controlled the timeline. Why have tony have a daughter if he isn’t a descendent
I'll just throw Victor von doom as this kang.
There's no way it's not Tony. The suit he makes at the end is quite literally a color pallate swapped version of the kang suit. Not to mention he chooses to go by the name Iron Lad which, in another universe, is Nathaniel Richards (Kang). Also the fact he found captain America and one of the hero clones Kang used was cap
Hickman is working really hard to do with 4 issues what he can to set this up. I think this is some good hype for this time loop universe and what could change just from this alone man. I think this is his way of flexing that skill of trying to compress that dude.
If Ultimate Kang is The Maker (which I think is the case,) it'll be a masterpiece.
The Maker: "If you could do it all again-- if you could truly change things-- if you had the chance... Would you erase me from existence?"
Reed Richards: "...Yes."
The Maker experiments with reality. He *fundamentally* alters it. He is an Ivory King. He is from beyond.
I don't think an Ultimate Nullifier will work on The Maker, because he essentially already doesn't exist. He has a form of quantum immortality. The Ultimate Universe is gone. Miles doesn't remember, because *he was given his new existence by Owen Reese.* He is technically native to to multiverse, not something The Maker had the luxury of. So would a nullifier even recognize him as "existing?"
But the branching timelines created when The Maker took off the spider from Peter Parker, he creates *multiple Makers.* Makers that are native to their multiverse, ones that *naturally* exist; even if it's a perversion.
But most of all, if it would work on him, The Maker would already be gone. He's going to have a nullifier used on him; it's the Chekov's Gun. Because he's already from a nullified universe, *he is already a null value.*
This means *The Maker* is the antithesis of the Eddie Brock, not The Beyonders. I hope, because the story with them recently was *trash,* with a writer *way* overrated.
Tony's Iron Lad armor in his comic is, identical + palette swapped, this kang's outfit. Very likely
This was an interesting way to reintroduce the ultimate universe in Marvel.
The title alone earned a click
Idk what you on but you should be always clicking when it says ultimate universe anything.
Fact
And that is why clickbait happens
My brain said Dead ass and I clicked😂
This is the conclusion. You should start at the beginning.
god i’m so excited for the reboot! ultimate universe comics got me started when i was 6 years old. i’m 27 now and still in it! this is going to be incredible
I'm going to be honest we need more of your amazing stories about the multiverses Omni versus and Omega Level universes in the Enigma universe
Been waiting to say this “TIME FOR A KANG BANG”. 😂
I think both are Kang. Remember Howards 3rd option. So the Kang that we see is future Howard fighting against the Maker, however present Howard recognizes his work and uses his new Immortus Machine to break the time cycle. Stopping the maker and freeing him of his fate to constantly fight him. However, he unintentional set Tony on the path to be a better version of Kang, designed to save their world. So to me both were Kang.
Man I'm not going to lie The moment I saw Howard Stark put his hand on his face in my mind I was like oh man he just realized he killed Tony obviously I could be wrong but that is the first thought I came to my mind
It's definitely Tony. No doubt. Howard committed to fixing the problem. Even Kang wanted to fix the problem. Only other option is Kang is Captain America. It would make sense. Immovable values and tactical planning. Tony decides Captain America deserves the suit more. Not to mention, little suggests Kang is a villain in this iteration, as opposed to others. Just someone fixing time.
This is a cool theory! I still think it's Tony but this would be dope
Considering Howards reaction, I'd say, at the very least, it's Tony's body. Is it his mind? Hard to say with Comics.
“Our meeting left quite an…impression.”
Impression.
IMPRESSION.
I get it.
~_~
The maker: Give up captain!
Rogers: Do you think this A stands for France?!
God I missed this hilarious prick.
I think it’s Tony, if you look at the Kang clone army there are no iron men involved, why because Kang wouldn’t want more versions of himself. Howard being Kang feels like a weak plot point because then your arguing a self fulfilling prophecy as opposed to a sins of the father story where Howard realise his choices created a son who he now views as a monster which gives guilt and further guilt by realising you just killed said son
17:30 I half expected you to start singing "You got the TOUCH" by Stan Bush right here.
Beyond omega level: icon from dc
This Comic hit Kang levels of confusion ill tell you that much ... Its a good run but then your brain start disintegrating trying to understand WTF going on
Honestly I love the idea of it being Howard because he becomes the monster he hates. It goes with what we learned in only myself left to conquer on how Kang doesn’t want to become kang but has to anyways.
With that ending monologue (which I'm guessing was written before unmasking Kang) talking about how Tony was the only good thing he's ever made, it would be all the more tragic if Tony actually became Kang.
I was under the impression from the suit Tony builds that he is definitely who becomes that Iron Kang variant. Short of the color scheme, his suit is identical to Kang in this story.
Kang looks like he's wearing Lex Luthor power armor. I wonder if that was intentional.
Its definitely Tony Stark. It's the very first thing I thought when I saw Kang's suit.
Rob, I am so glad I have your channel to watch because I was mostly confused during these entire 4 issues. Hickman's writing makes my brain implode sometimes
I like Hickman’s writing, but this series is far from his best.
Ma, get the camera. Tony Stark’s making heroes fight each other again.
Hey 👋 wassup! It's been awhile! How's the mustache?
Rob so smooth and good in this video!
9:55 I literally have no knowledge of this story but when I first saw the Kang suit and look I immediately said that has to be Tony Stark.
This was good 😊
That Howard stark monologue in the cave was crazy bro was cooking
The iron lad thing feels like it sealed the deal.
I was waiting for this video
13:54 Dr. Doom saying he's sorry is the most OOC thing ever.
I think it would be more of a twist if it wasn't Tony at this point.
man I'm really into this, I'm so pumped!
ultimate universe is back! i cant wait for this again.
Hey Rob? I just watched ur Pickle Rick vid. Dude,ur hilarious😂😂😂
Amazing! 🫡
Loved this want more lol
I thought it was pretty clear Tony was Kang, because of the disappointment Howard had when he took the mask off. Only two things could leave a man that disappointed, finding out he was evil in the future or a child was evil.
Howard's letter to Tony reminds me of the lessons Reed was giving to Valyria in New Avengers !!
16:03
All you gotta do is look at his mask here and it tells you everything.
Could be fun to see some of the less popular characters getting the ultimate treatment this time around. Using elements from their unused Ultraverse would be even better.
Three new 10 or 12 issue maxi series should be enough to showcase an alternate version of the world (when we take a look at divergent Earth X we know what can be accomplished with 30 issues).
Maybe by exploring different corners of this universe we’ll get an Ultimate Panther that rebels against Khonshu or a Spider Woman set in Asia, Jericho Drumm in South America, Spectrum/Photon & Quasar/Uranian vs Euroforce etc. Also having the original Nick Fury from 616 show up would be nice (inversion of the concept).
Interesting that Illanya /Magik was the one to come up with the idea of splitting up North America. Fits her character and the others. She's probably the most capable as of a combination of coldness and intellect left in that room
I love the look for this Kang
Howard's Iron Man suit looks clean
We wuz ultimate Kangz n sheit
As we used to say in the Army, Capt. America from the Ultimate universe is Capt. America "Reborn HARD"
Damn so epic
I wonder why you changed the thumbnail style. It felt like i havent seen your videos pop up in a long time
2:55 kang looks DRIIIIIPPY
when does the one shot release ?
Is there a playlist for this ultimatr story? So I know which is 1, 2, 3, etc
I like the theory that Tony is Kang the conqueror, I would consider it the best plot in the history of Marvel comics.
My money is on tony being kang 😅
I don't think it's Howard, I think it's Tony trying to fix his past and all the things he did wrong. And you have to look at the armor, definitely more Tony then Howard! And if it's Tony it gives the MCU a new way to bring in the fantastic four.
I believed its Obadiah stane, the closer the enemy is the harder it is to see them. Who is closer to you than family and friends?
The streaks down Tony's helmet are straight up like Kangs. Js. 🤷🏻♂️
This gotta be the most sickest Kang ever created 🔥
4:05 I totally disagree with that topic. If it weren’t for people like Jonathan Hickman, and to a lesser extent, Al Ewing, I wouldn’t even entertain RUclips videos about comic books.
This story is a diamond in the mostly forgettable sludge that is coming out of marvel today (the new hulk, and Thor comics being the other diamonds)
This worked for the length of story it is
He is doing pretty well for how short this run is but we'd definitely get a better story if he had time to stretch his legs a bit.
You are right about it being a diamond in the rough tho since a lot of what's being put out isn't interesting/ good at all
I was wondering why Howard Stark would be wrapped up by the beauty of his work, then went and rewatched what Rob was saying at 16:03, but was actually, "I was so wrapped up in the good things I was doing-- the work and the BOUNTY that work provided us.." and then went..ahh, that made more sense..
Hear me out, what if Kang is Ultimate Cap? Saying that he waited two lives seems kinda specific to something like Cap since obv he's a man out of time. What if at some point He and Tony become comrades and in a conflict with the Maker, Tony dies. In response to the death Cap takes up his armor out of respect and takes revenge on the man who killed his best friend. It's DEFINITELY a reach, but fun to think about.
The only issue with that is Howard's reaction when he took off Kang's mask, if it was Steve who he's never met there would be no reaction except maybe confusion
Two lives could also mean his father’s life and his life.
But Captain America is not some tech freak, what would he do with some time travel stuff bto
17:27 right there when you said the guy who always knows how to lead the charge I immediately knew you were talking about captain America I said to myself captain America
Sadly, they choose the unoriginal route again...
You could have called it the "kangclusion" of the story. Robert, you have stubbed my soul.
It’s Johnathan Majors!!!! Lol
Rob any new superboy prime comics dropped lately ?
I got the message that it was Tony. Howard only cares about his son. Tony being Kang would be the only thing to make him feel.regret.
Also, Tony received the immortus engine in the end giving him the power.of Kang. And what name does Tony choose? Iron Lad. The same name 616 Kang chose as a teenager.
Howard's reaction suggests it'd Tony.
“He’s the guy that knows how to rally everyone. Tony and Doom are looking for ultimate Black Bolt”
Probably the version we will see in secret wars.
Hmmm. Gotta watch this one!
Oh it's definitely Tony!
I do believe Ultimate Invasion is just the start of a trilogy series just like the Ultimate Galactus series
It's pretty obv its Tony.
He made the same suit and helmet just different colord
Called it, in the last vid it was tony all along as a twist on iron lad but matured and also not a real kang variant. Hickman is an actual rap god 🕺🏾
Tony for sure.
I'm still not clear on how The Maker escaped to 1610 around the time of the King in Black event, and then wound up being imprisoned in 616 at the start of this.
The Maker is probably also Ultimate Kang, just like main Marvel Kang has his own variations that can concurrently act in the same timeline.
I need a story with just Ultimate Kang in the Iron Kang suit
if you look, aside form a color swap, iron lad's armor and Kang's are the same so, I vote that its tony.
I dare him to fight the Sentry, he’ll get stomped, and I’m talking about base Sentry, Death seed Sentry or Merged Sentry won’t even bother with him
I'm so glad I accidentally stumbled upon this channel a couple years back
The reason i dont like kang is because he feels like a 8 graders who is nothing special bullying 1st grade kids because his advantage is hes from the future and time travel really hard to write well
I thought it was Tony the moment Howard interjects. Excited to find out who it really is!
Also, hell yeah, comrade Howard? 👀
Gotta go with "Doom". Howard sets Tony on the path to fix everything he couldn't with the help of "Doom" and Tony does a great job of it. After he has the Avengers assembled to build a better future, "Doom" stabs him in the back and uses Tony's progress to setup his rise to become the Conqueror. "Doom" kills Tony while he's off his guard, steals the armor, neutralizes the Avengers, and then clones them to enforce his will. With no Avengers, Tony, Reed, Maker, or Howard to stop him "Doom" rules with an iron fist under the name Kang the Conqueror.
I can’t wait for the relaunch of Ultimate Spider-Man by Hickman and everything else coming out after this, this is awesome
Yes, it might be Tony Stark or another version of Tony Stark from an alternative timeline? And there's another it could be that realities The Maker that means somewhere in a moment of time he himself found another time machine built by Reeds father?
On the other hand a soldier a warrior and a man with an old style of working out a problem by listening and watching and then acting on information as a tactical soldier and leader of battles and finally a single weapon against Injustice and possibly doing the right thing for humanity a hero of course born of the way of warrior of earth's mightiest team the Avengers ultimately Captain America?
Of course if ultimate Iron Lad is Kang of this reality where is this original Nathan Richards, and is there more Kangs like the other versions?
Hickman is a world treasure.
3:01 its Iron Man! As Iron Lad! But in the Future! (Tony)
I was thinking tony being Kang is the way. I mean it could Howard since he would design a suit like that. I was also thinking it could just be doom and howard lamenting over the fact the one of the monsters was literally under his nose and went along with it. Course doom could just be the last boss lol.
But it makes sense its tony cause Kang the conquerors identity was always someone from the family and since the suits tied to Howard by design its gotta be Tony. Especially since Tony never got an accurate answer of his father, and how he literally made the iron lad suit. So many dots are connecting but i dont think thats how its gonna go down. For all we know howard could be out there doing what he thinks must be done.
The Austin powers in Rob leaked out . 😂 Yeah Baybee
Definitely Tony. There were too many earlier notes to have it be anyone else.
I thought Rob was Goin to start the video with MAAAAMN lemme tell u something now 😂
Freaking Howard, "Howard" you so bad ass..get it
i assumed it was dr. doom actually. But susan would be crazy.
I feel like with Howard’s reaction it would have to be either himself or Tony
Its would be interesting if this kang lives in one cycle in this instance its tony then howard takes up the mantle and repeats the cycle to see his son again and then kang is killed by tony in the same explosion and sees howard in the suit then takes up the mantle thus repeating the cycle again.
I was thinking Valaria or Franklin
I totally bet on Kang being Tony.
Don't get me wrong. I absolutely loved Ultimate Invasion, Especially #1. It would've been more epic if the 616 Illuminati came to 6160 only to be involved in an all-out Melee between The Maker and Ultimate Kang(who's revealed to be Tony Stark).
I loved the ending where Tony Stark becomes Ultimate Iron Lad, which is awesome.
Other than that, I love this event and I can't wait for Ultimate Universe #1 to come out in November.
Sounds kind of interesting but I don't think the 616 illuminati are a thing anymore. Some of its members have turned for the worst
It's Tony. Tony is now Iron Lad, and in 616, Iron Lad becomes Kang