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My humble views on the subject. Indeed a very interesting one that anglers should think about. Actually your spool turns in the anti clock direction when line comes off the spool, and when you tighten the drag knob, it tightens the drag in the clock wise direction. The eared washer sits in the middle of the stack and moves in the same direction as the spool, while the other two metal washers on the drag stack are keyed to the main shaft (all the metal washers are inter spaced with felt, teflon or carbon drag washers). Since the main shaft is always stationary (does not rotate), the two keyed washers also remain stationary, but the eared washer which locks into the spool in the middle of the stack, rotates with the spool. So as the drag is tightened down, the keyed washers press the drag washers from the top and bottom of the stack to create friction against the eared washer in the middle of the stack which is turning while line is being pulled (and the spool is turning in the anti clock wise direction). So if you placed the eared washer to the top, i.e instead of in the middle of the stackdefinitely cause the drag to malfunction by not providing the required friction in the middle of the stack.
One other note is that some spools on older reels turn the opposite direction when drag is pulled out. The Mitchell 300 is one example that the line pickup moves in the opposite direction from modern spinning reels but there are others as well.
And clockwise verses counterclockwise depends on your perspective. If you are looking at it from the front or from behind the reel. The drag knob tightens clockwise from the front, as drag is pulled off the spool rotates in the clockwise direction looking at the reel from same view as the drag knob, so it causes the knob to tighten more when the metal washers aren't positioned properly.
Great video. I'm having the opposite problem with one of my spinning reels; the drag actually comes loose when fighting a fish. I'll open it up and see if maybe this idea resolves the problem. Thanks for the tip.
Man this videos helped me a bunch thank you brother it was happening to my presidential s10 I was really bummed out about it n now I know how to fix thank you
You won't believe how I was struggling and stressing I really appreciate you taking the time to share solved my problem in less than a minute once again I thank you
I had issues with the drag sticking and all it would do is either be loose or really tight. But one of my drag washer was bowed as well. Wound up changing out the reels to new ones. Good video!
Great info... but what do you do if my drag knob is tight but when I reel in the line, there's no tightness of tension when reeling in and the drag feels loose.
It depends on the reel, they are all made a little different. There should be some sort of tabbed or otherwise odd shaped washer in your drag stack that isolates the movement of the spool from the spool nut. You can try searching for an exploded parts diagram for your reel model online. Just type in the reel model and schematic and you will usually be able to find a parts diagram. For example "Shakespeare 2400 schematic". Try looking at the parts diagram to see if you can find the proper order of the drag washers.
Broke off a big striper today when my drag suddenly tightened.. i suspected this was the problem as I recently lost my top drag bolt on a shimano sedona and bought an after market one..I just checked and there are no drag washers.. time to find some new ones.
I've got a stratic C14+ and it tightens as it pulls on its own... I didn't service the reel or open the drag. what do you think happened? maybe my washers are broken?
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I do on carbon fiber but it isn't necessary. If you need full stopping power on carbon fiber washers, run them dry. If you like to use lighter settings with carbon fiber, add a little grease. I oil felt drag washers and I run Teflon drag washers dry. The drag washers in this reel are some sort of fiber washers (not carbon fiber) and I run them dry. These are just the ways I like to do my washers, but everyone has different opinions as to what works best for them too...there probably isn't a right or wrong way as long as it works for you 👍
Hi! I’m having a problem with 2 of my reels. When drag is pulled, the spool wobbles quite badly, you can tell the spool isn’t spinning correctly. I haven’t taken them apart either. Can you please help me
It's really hard to say for sure without looking at it personally. If the spool is wobbly, it could be the spool oscillation shaft is bent or something in the spool has broken or is out of place. Is your spool a top push button release spool or do you have to remove the drag knob to remove the spool?
I'd check part number 11077 in this schematic: www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/Ultegra/Shimano%20Ultegra%20ULT2500HGFB.pdf Make sure it is seated completely in the groove it is supposed to be in. Same thing in the other reel. When the drag is pulled the spool simply spins around the oscillation shaft. The two parts are a fairly loose fit so that the spool can spin independent of the shaft when drag is pulled. Because of that loose fit, if the spool of off center more to one side when the drag is pulled out, it will cause some wobble. You can correct that somewhat by watching the spool wobble. There will be a high side and a low side as it rotates. Look for that, pick the spot where the high side moves to the top (nearest the reel foot), stop it there and loosen the drag knob and push the spool down just a bit and tighten the drag knob back down. Recheck and adjust as needed. Some wobble won't really matter, but you can try to correct it like I suggested if it bothers you.
I have a problem of my reel sir. The drag knob is not tightening if the spool of my reel is in, it's like the screw tip of the main gear doesn't get in to the groove of the srew of the knob.
It is hard for me to say what it is without seeing it in person. It sounds like the spool may not be sitting low enough on the oscillation shaft. How is the oscillation shaft made? Does it have a pin through the shaft with a grove in the spool that the pin sits in or does it have a gear on the oscillation shaft for the drag clicker? Are their any bearings in the spool itself? If so, they may not be fully seated in their bore.
@@TheFishingHobby it has a little plastic washer sitting above the click gear. I tried to remove the plastic washer and it fits. But without the plastic washer the line won't spool evenly. How to properly sit the spool on that plastic washer?
The first thing I would do is look at the oscillation shaft and make sure that the gear is bottomed out in the flat area/protruding part of the shaft. I have seen some that want to get hung up on the shaft before it gets as low as it should be. Next, make sure the clicker pawl under the spool isn't sitting on top of the clicker gear when you put the spool on keeping it from going all the way down. Hopefully it is one of those two things!
It isn't just crossfire reels that this could happen with. There are thousands of different spinning reels over the years this could happen with but it would be an owner working on their reel drag system putting the drag washer stack back in the wrong order that would cause this problem.
I don't think I've ever had that on any of my reels, but it does seem like I remember it happening to someone I fished with once upon a time. I bet that's what they did!
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I’m really glad it helped you out!
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My humble views on the subject. Indeed a very interesting one that anglers should think about.
Actually your spool turns in the anti clock direction when line comes off the spool, and when you tighten the drag knob, it tightens the drag in the clock wise direction. The eared washer sits in the middle of the stack and moves in the same direction as the spool, while the other two metal washers on the drag stack are keyed to the main shaft (all the metal washers are inter spaced with felt, teflon or carbon drag washers).
Since the main shaft is always stationary (does not rotate), the two keyed washers also remain stationary, but the eared washer which locks into the spool in the middle of the stack, rotates with the spool. So as the drag is tightened down, the keyed washers press the drag washers from the top and bottom of the stack to create friction against the eared washer in the middle of the stack which is turning while line is being pulled (and the spool is turning in the anti clock wise direction). So if you placed the eared washer to the top, i.e instead of in the middle of the stackdefinitely cause the drag to malfunction by not providing the required friction in the middle of the stack.
One other note is that some spools on older reels turn the opposite direction when drag is pulled out. The Mitchell 300 is one example that the line pickup moves in the opposite direction from modern spinning reels but there are others as well.
And clockwise verses counterclockwise depends on your perspective. If you are looking at it from the front or from behind the reel. The drag knob tightens clockwise from the front, as drag is pulled off the spool rotates in the clockwise direction looking at the reel from same view as the drag knob, so it causes the knob to tighten more when the metal washers aren't positioned properly.
Great video. I'm having the opposite problem with one of my spinning reels; the drag actually comes loose when fighting a fish. I'll open it up and see if maybe this idea resolves the problem. Thanks for the tip.
Man this videos helped me a bunch thank you brother it was happening to my presidential s10 I was really bummed out about it n now I know how to fix thank you
I thank you so much even though you uploaded 3 years ago it helped me today much appreciated
You won't believe how I was struggling and stressing I really appreciate you taking the time to share solved my problem in less than a minute once again I thank you
I'm glad you found the video helpful!
I had issues with the drag sticking and all it would do is either be loose or really tight. But one of my drag washer was bowed as well. Wound up changing out the reels to new ones. Good video!
That would definitely cause sticking/grabbing!
Thank bro .Kindly pls make another video on how to fix a line roller in correct order.
On my penn reel they came un organized from factory funny thing is it only started doing this after a few months watched ur vid and was able to fix it
Great info... but what do you do if my drag knob is tight but when I reel in the line, there's no tightness of tension when reeling in and the drag feels loose.
It is hard to say for sure without seeing in person.
I put the washers in correct order, but the drag tightening issue still exists, what should I do?
It depends on the reel, they are all made a little different. There should be some sort of tabbed or otherwise odd shaped washer in your drag stack that isolates the movement of the spool from the spool nut. You can try searching for an exploded parts diagram for your reel model online. Just type in the reel model and schematic and you will usually be able to find a parts diagram. For example "Shakespeare 2400 schematic".
Try looking at the parts diagram to see if you can find the proper order of the drag washers.
Good tip...I usually use a small wire tie to keep the washers in order!!
Good idea 👍
Broke off a big striper today when my drag suddenly tightened.. i suspected this was the problem as I recently lost my top drag bolt on a shimano sedona and bought an after market one..I just checked and there are no drag washers..
time to find some new ones.
Yikes!
Frd u look so expert in 🐟 and know about it's all about.
Thank you!
Thanks so much I LOST 2 nice stripers due to this drag problem 👍👍👍👍💞
I've got a stratic C14+ and it tightens as it pulls on its own... I didn't service the reel or open the drag. what do you think happened? maybe my washers are broken?
Could be or there may be something wrong with the way the washers were assembled at the factory or maybe even some sort of trash has gotten in there.
I have the same problem but it happens even with no drag washers in
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Exactly, this is what I need!
Do you use grease on the washers?
I do on carbon fiber but it isn't necessary. If you need full stopping power on carbon fiber washers, run them dry. If you like to use lighter settings with carbon fiber, add a little grease. I oil felt drag washers and I run Teflon drag washers dry. The drag washers in this reel are some sort of fiber washers (not carbon fiber) and I run them dry. These are just the ways I like to do my washers, but everyone has different opinions as to what works best for them too...there probably isn't a right or wrong way as long as it works for you 👍
Hi! I’m having a problem with 2 of my reels. When drag is pulled, the spool wobbles quite badly, you can tell the spool isn’t spinning correctly. I haven’t taken them apart either. Can you please help me
It's really hard to say for sure without looking at it personally. If the spool is wobbly, it could be the spool oscillation shaft is bent or something in the spool has broken or is out of place. Is your spool a top push button release spool or do you have to remove the drag knob to remove the spool?
The Fishing Hobby it’s the same as the reel in the video. These 2 I’m having trouble with are higher end shimano reels idk how it happened
What model are the ones you are having trouble with. I'll look at the schematics and see if I can spot any potential problem areas to look at.
The Fishing Hobby shimano ultegra 2500 is a little bit worse wobble than my shimano Sahara 2500.
I'd check part number 11077 in this schematic: www.reelschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/schematics/Shimano/Ultegra/Shimano%20Ultegra%20ULT2500HGFB.pdf
Make sure it is seated completely in the groove it is supposed to be in. Same thing in the other reel. When the drag is pulled the spool simply spins around the oscillation shaft. The two parts are a fairly loose fit so that the spool can spin independent of the shaft when drag is pulled. Because of that loose fit, if the spool of off center more to one side when the drag is pulled out, it will cause some wobble. You can correct that somewhat by watching the spool wobble. There will be a high side and a low side as it rotates. Look for that, pick the spot where the high side moves to the top (nearest the reel foot), stop it there and loosen the drag knob and push the spool down just a bit and tighten the drag knob back down. Recheck and adjust as needed. Some wobble won't really matter, but you can try to correct it like I suggested if it bothers you.
I have a problem of my reel sir. The drag knob is not tightening if the spool of my reel is in, it's like the screw tip of the main gear doesn't get in to the groove of the srew of the knob.
It is hard for me to say what it is without seeing it in person. It sounds like the spool may not be sitting low enough on the oscillation shaft. How is the oscillation shaft made? Does it have a pin through the shaft with a grove in the spool that the pin sits in or does it have a gear on the oscillation shaft for the drag clicker? Are their any bearings in the spool itself? If so, they may not be fully seated in their bore.
@@TheFishingHobby it has a little plastic washer sitting above the click gear. I tried to remove the plastic washer and it fits. But without the plastic washer the line won't spool evenly. How to properly sit the spool on that plastic washer?
@@TheFishingHobby it has a gear on the shaft and a plastic washer that makes the line even when spooling
The first thing I would do is look at the oscillation shaft and make sure that the gear is bottomed out in the flat area/protruding part of the shaft. I have seen some that want to get hung up on the shaft before it gets as low as it should be. Next, make sure the clicker pawl under the spool isn't sitting on top of the clicker gear when you put the spool on keeping it from going all the way down. Hopefully it is one of those two things!
@@TheFishingHobby thank you very much! Appreciate the help. Good day to you.
I've sold Crossfires for years, and have never heard of that happening.
It isn't just crossfire reels that this could happen with. There are thousands of different spinning reels over the years this could happen with but it would be an owner working on their reel drag system putting the drag washer stack back in the wrong order that would cause this problem.
Kevin, sure that makes sense.
Thanks you helped me thank you so much
I can pull drag with my hand but the fish doesn’t what do I do?
I would loosen the drag up some. It pulls off easier at the reel by hand than it will with the rod loaded with a fish on.
The Fishing Hobby it’s like super loose and it still won’t pulllike no effort pull and the fish still barley pulls it
If it is that loose and fish aren't breaking your line then there really isn't a problem.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thx man
Cool video!
Thanks! You been fishing any lately?
Been a few times, not enough though 😁
@@TheFishingHobby I know what you mean man lol
I don't think I've ever had that on any of my reels, but it does seem like I remember it happening to someone I fished with once upon a time. I bet that's what they did!
I've done it 😂
Been a while and I've learned a lot since then 👍
Awesome info as always... thanks!
I'm not related in any way to the company but may I suggest you look into Sixgillfishing.com ? They have very good gear and I've been impressed with the Karve 500 (ultra light ) spinning reel so far. I have much of their gear from super inexpensive to spendy and haven't been troubled with any of their line. Their customer service is also top notch.
Thanks, I'll check them out 👍