Thanks for the great video! I upgraded to my first prosumer espresso machine about a year ago and bought the Brewtus vibration pump reservoir only machine. It is cheap machine compared to other similar machines and great to see, that you guys think it is because Brewtus is great value for money instead of a "low quality" machine. I have been happy with it, even though I have given some thoughts for GS3 as a next upgrade.
+Tuomo Kallio Hi Tuomo, Thanks for the comment! Brewtus does give excellent value! Incredible temperature stability and brews as well as machines costing a whole latte more!!!
Hi Ahmet, Thanks for the question. Hard to say 100% rotary pumps make better espresso. Some prefer a vibration pump for their slower ramp up to full pressure. On the other hand you'll likely use a slightly finer grind on a rotary pump machine due to their higher flow rate. A finer grind generally results in a deeper extraction. Depending on the type of coffee used that could be a good thing. Beyond that, Rotary pumps are quieter and most rotary pump machines can be plumbed direct to waterline so you're not fillinrg reservoirs all the time. Marc
Thank you guys for the great video! Very useful comparison! :)) Actually my Brewtus IV is water tank version, but is as tall as both rotary and plumb-able version. Is that normal to come out from the factory? Please, send a picture of the legs of your version of water tank model. Also the brain of my machine look different than the shown one - it is the same as those used in Rocket machines - not Gicar, but Pro ... (something written with blue letters). I am sure that you will guess the exact name. Is that normal also? The steam pressure in my Brewtus is set on 0.8 bar. Is it recommended to increase it to 1 bar having in mind that the pressure stat is covered with plastic tap? I mean is it allowed to do that without break the warranty conditions of the dealer? Todd said that the grinder setting is different for rotary and vibration pump. Why and for which of the pump it must be finer? And finally, please, do not be modest! Share with us that Brewtus is the first DB machines. I am sure that in 2003 there were no other vendors of DB machines! Am I right? There is one very important fact for the espresso enthusiast to know. There are almost 5 years past from your presentation of Brewtus IV model in the market (great video from December 2010) and the version is still the same without modifications! This means that the model is mature enough, while another vendors is in the middle of the road in development of their models. For example Rocket R58 (very, very, very overpriced machine) has v2 and I expected to see v3 in Milano Fair closed yesterday. And finally, I will be more than happy to see Alex Duetto III in your videos - alone or compared with QM New Vetrano DB PID machine. For me, personally, these are the best DB machines on the market. What do you think about the vertical mounted rotary pump of these two machines - above the motor (AD) and below the motor (QM)? Another vendors use horizontal mounting. I mean if there another reason different than place saving in vertical mounting or not? Thank you for your time guys and keep in that way! You are great teachers of the espresso enthusiasts community! :))
+Petar Rusev Hi Petar, Todd was just at the Host show in Italy (probably spending some quality time with the Expobar crew!) and is vacationing in Ireland at the moment. I'll answer what I can for now and defer some of your other questions until he returns next week. Legs: What you see in the video is the way they are sold in the U.S. market. Your legs may be normal in Europe - but I don't know that for fact. Gicar may be a U.S. version difference. I've heard Todd say he requested Gicar from Expobar. No problem increasing steam pressure. The plastic cap is not a warranty seal tamper evident device. It's there for additional moisture protection of the compnent. Grind: Not so much that it's different depending on pump type. What he was saying in video is that he didn't dial in the grind specifically for each machine. Too many other variables involved to make a simple statement like: grind finer for a rotary pump machine. Can't say 100% Brewtus was 1st DB machine. May have been the first prosumer machine with HX preheat feed to brew boiler. The Brewtus IV is a very mature machine! We'll see about getting the Alex Duetto in some videos and will defer to Todd on opinion regarding pump orientation.
+Whole Latte Love Thank you very much for the prompt response! :)) I will wait for Todd's opinion on pump orientation. Do you know if some of the big vendors like QM, Bezzera, Izzo, Rocket, etc. had revealed new versions of their prosumer models?
+Whole Latte Love Thank you! One short comment that I missed. I do not know why, but Todd was unscrewd the brass diffuser nut of the brew group (this was the black nut in your video about pre-infusion where I wonder what is this for) and show only the cavity of the brew group. If I correctly understand the design of Brewtus brew head - this brass nut diffuser touches the shower screeen and in this way it forms an almost closed volume which must be filled in firstly and after that the water touches the coffe puck. That is why the vibration pump has long preinfusion - mine is about 12 sec from the pump activation to the first few espresso drops. Am I right with my thoughts? It is good to show in a separate video or post to the broad public that this expobar brewhead design is unique and has great contributionto the espresso aroma strengthen! I saw Bezzera, Rocket, ECM, etc. machines which have no such brewhead design. For me, this design is definately rather a feature, than just an attribute. For me it is interesting to know how the E61 inventors from VBM produce their current machines brewhead. Can you, please, post something on the matter?
Hi Marc, Hi Todd, Greetings from Berlin :) I would really appreciate your opinion in 2021 if it still makes sense to buy an Expobar Brewtus, considering that it was decommissioned and maybe parts will not still be long (another 10 years at least, if not 20). I ask to know if it be complicated in the future to buy/find replacements parts, if something were to break. Thank you very much :)
Hi MD, Greetings from NY, USA! I can't speak to parts availability in Germany. Here in the US parts are still readily available and although the Brewtus is no longer sold new in the US last I knew it was still available in other countries. Also understand that many internal components used in the Brewtus can be found in machines from other manufacturers. Like the pumps used in the Brewtus are common. Same goes for things like presurestats, probes, vacuum relief valves etc. Also Expobar is made under the Crem brand so you might look for Crem parts rather than Expobar. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi there, you mention that you can use an external container for the plumbed version, but do you need extra pump or can you just put the hose down the container? Is this also a durable solution for longer time? Thanks
Hi Aksel, Thanks for the question. We use external containers all the time for rotary pump machines. Works without issue so long as the head distance isn't too great so no more than a couple feet height distance between machine and top of water source. Pumps can usually prime themselves. If not just get the height closer until they prime. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks a lot for the answer, really helpful. I am not sure I follow your point on height distance. In the video above, you simply have the container next to the machine - is there any other way to place the container, or would that do? I just want to be 100% clear. Also, perhaps, what type of water filter or softener would use for this setup? Thanks!
Hi RG, Thanks for the question. Here's a video showing how to adjust the pressurestat which controls steam boiler pressure on an Expobar machine: ruclips.net/video/WVKg4z3yhkI/видео.html Marc
I think that the best option would be the rotary pump with an ext water tank like they did in the video which you can hide under the cabinet. But the middle version with vibratory pump switchable to tank or waterline is good too
Hi, I bought a pup.! It's a izzo Pompei , 2 group hand lever, makes great coffee, but it came without a pump. Can I use a roto. Flow pump from my old Iberital machine. To achieve autofiil to the boiler. I don't know why Izzo company would make a commercial machine without auto fill , when it has Gicar box and Gicar fitting but no electronics water valve, only a button, Love the show
Hi Karl, Expobar/Crem made the decision to only offer machines with commercial ratings in the US market a couple of years ago. Look for updated machines under the Crem brand which are available in the US and elsewhere now like this one which builds on the Expobar Brewtus legacy: www.wholelattelove.com/products/crem-one-infuser-dual-boiler-espresso-machine
Hi NT, Expobar machines generally cost less for same capabilities. Rocket tends to put a bit more $$ into external case work, badging and branding - they are sexier in some peoples eyes. Expobar uses a custom E61 group with a pre-infusion chamber milled above the shower screen. I'm not familiar with Perfecto machines so can't comment on those. Hope that helps. If you have questions about specific Expobar vs. specific Rocket machines I'd be happy to give my opinions.
Hi Norman, We love Profitec machines! Under the hood, we feel they have the best design. Externally the casework is excellent with high level of craftsmanship which extends even to finishing of internal weld seems of the drip tray. Also like the massive low wear sprung valves for steam and hot water on their machines like the Pro 500 and 700.
Hi Les, Thanks for the question. In general, increasing brew pressure allows you to push brew water through a finer grind resulting in a deeper extraction. Just don't want to go too deep! You'll get an over-extraction and end up with bitter espresso.
Ashkan Km assume you mean drawing from an unpressurized external water source? Most rotary pump machines can do it. I’ve done it with a Rocket R58 so the Evo R should as well. If you run into issues, it may help to run some water from the machines reservoir prior to dropping the plumb like into an external source. Marc
+DD DD Yes there has. Use link below to go to video which compares Rocket R58 with Expobar Brewtus and Profitec Pro 700 ruclips.net/video/utMkSJD8WcI/видео.html
Hi Dennis, Thanks for the question. Yes the Brewtus uses an E61 brew group which circulates water from the boiler through the grouphead via thermosiphon. Marc
+Eliza Mutty Here's the full Expobar line with pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/espresso-machines/semi-automatic-espresso-machines?brand=Expobar&sort=featured
+Whole Latte Love Please, correct the picture of the version with the vibration pump (as mine is). Currently, the shown one is fior the rotary pump version: www.wholelattelove.com/products/expobar-brewtus-iv-with-vibration-pump
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Thanks for the great video! I upgraded to my first prosumer espresso machine about a year ago and bought the Brewtus vibration pump reservoir only machine. It is cheap machine compared to other similar machines and great to see, that you guys think it is because Brewtus is great value for money instead of a "low quality" machine. I have been happy with it, even though I have given some thoughts for GS3 as a next upgrade.
+Tuomo Kallio Hi Tuomo, Thanks for the comment! Brewtus does give excellent value! Incredible temperature stability and brews as well as machines costing a whole latte more!!!
@@Wholelattelovepage good one!
Great video! One question, is it worth to buy rotary pump machine for home? Is the espresso better than the vibration pump machine?
Hi Ahmet, Thanks for the question. Hard to say 100% rotary pumps make better espresso. Some prefer a vibration pump for their slower ramp up to full pressure. On the other hand you'll likely use a slightly finer grind on a rotary pump machine due to their higher flow rate. A finer grind generally results in a deeper extraction. Depending on the type of coffee used that could be a good thing. Beyond that, Rotary pumps are quieter and most rotary pump machines can be plumbed direct to waterline so you're not fillinrg reservoirs all the time.
Marc
Thank you guys for the great video! Very useful comparison! :))
Actually my Brewtus IV is water tank version, but is as tall as both rotary and plumb-able version. Is that normal to come out from the factory? Please, send a picture of the legs of your version of water tank model.
Also the brain of my machine look different than the shown one - it is the same as those used in Rocket machines - not Gicar, but Pro ... (something written with blue letters). I am sure that you will guess the exact name. Is that normal also?
The steam pressure in my Brewtus is set on 0.8 bar. Is it recommended to increase it to 1 bar having in mind that the pressure stat is covered with plastic tap? I mean is it allowed to do that without break the warranty conditions of the dealer?
Todd said that the grinder setting is different for rotary and vibration pump. Why and for which of the pump it must be finer?
And finally, please, do not be modest! Share with us that Brewtus is the first DB machines. I am sure that in 2003 there were no other vendors of DB machines! Am I right?
There is one very important fact for the espresso enthusiast to know. There are almost 5 years past from your presentation of Brewtus IV model in the market (great video from December 2010) and the version is still the same without modifications! This means that the model is mature enough, while another vendors is in the middle of the road in development of their models. For example Rocket R58 (very, very, very overpriced machine) has v2 and I expected to see v3 in Milano Fair closed yesterday.
And finally, I will be more than happy to see Alex Duetto III in your videos - alone or compared with QM New Vetrano DB PID machine. For me, personally, these are the best DB machines on the market.
What do you think about the vertical mounted rotary pump of these two machines - above the motor (AD) and below the motor (QM)? Another vendors use horizontal mounting. I mean if there another reason different than place saving in vertical mounting or not?
Thank you for your time guys and keep in that way! You are great teachers of the espresso enthusiasts community! :))
+Petar Rusev Hi Petar, Todd was just at the Host show in Italy (probably spending some quality time with the Expobar crew!) and is vacationing in Ireland at the moment. I'll answer what I can for now and defer some of your other questions until he returns next week.
Legs: What you see in the video is the way they are sold in the U.S. market. Your legs may be normal in Europe - but I don't know that for fact.
Gicar may be a U.S. version difference. I've heard Todd say he requested Gicar from Expobar.
No problem increasing steam pressure. The plastic cap is not a warranty seal tamper evident device. It's there for additional moisture protection of the compnent.
Grind: Not so much that it's different depending on pump type. What he was saying in video is that he didn't dial in the grind specifically for each machine. Too many other variables involved to make a simple statement like: grind finer for a rotary pump machine.
Can't say 100% Brewtus was 1st DB machine. May have been the first prosumer machine with HX preheat feed to brew boiler.
The Brewtus IV is a very mature machine!
We'll see about getting the Alex Duetto in some videos and will defer to Todd on opinion regarding pump orientation.
+Whole Latte Love Thank you very much for the prompt response! :)) I will wait for Todd's opinion on pump orientation. Do you know if some of the big vendors like QM, Bezzera, Izzo, Rocket, etc. had revealed new versions of their prosumer models?
+Petar Rusev You are welcome. Will learn about any new versions when Todd returns and will update.
+Whole Latte Love Thank you! One short comment that I missed. I do not know why, but Todd was unscrewd the brass diffuser nut of the brew group (this was the black nut in your video about pre-infusion where I wonder what is this for) and show only the cavity of the brew group. If I correctly understand the design of Brewtus brew head - this brass nut diffuser touches the shower screeen and in this way it forms an almost closed volume which must be filled in firstly and after that the water touches the coffe puck. That is why the vibration pump has long preinfusion - mine is about 12 sec from the pump activation to the first few espresso drops. Am I right with my thoughts?
It is good to show in a separate video or post to the broad public that this expobar brewhead design is unique and has great contributionto the espresso aroma strengthen! I saw Bezzera, Rocket, ECM, etc. machines which have no such brewhead design. For me, this design is definately rather a feature, than just an attribute.
For me it is interesting to know how the E61 inventors from VBM produce their current machines brewhead. Can you, please, post something on the matter?
Hi Marc, Hi Todd,
Greetings from Berlin :)
I would really appreciate your opinion in 2021 if it still makes sense to buy an Expobar Brewtus, considering that it was decommissioned and maybe parts will not still be long (another 10 years at least, if not 20).
I ask to know if it be complicated in the future to buy/find replacements parts, if something were to break.
Thank you very much :)
Hi MD, Greetings from NY, USA! I can't speak to parts availability in Germany. Here in the US parts are still readily available and although the Brewtus is no longer sold new in the US last I knew it was still available in other countries. Also understand that many internal components used in the Brewtus can be found in machines from other manufacturers. Like the pumps used in the Brewtus are common. Same goes for things like presurestats, probes, vacuum relief valves etc. Also Expobar is made under the Crem brand so you might look for Crem parts rather than Expobar. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi there, you mention that you can use an external container for the plumbed version, but do you need extra pump or can you just put the hose down the container? Is this also a durable solution for longer time? Thanks
Hi Aksel, Thanks for the question. We use external containers all the time for rotary pump machines. Works without issue so long as the head distance isn't too great so no more than a couple feet height distance between machine and top of water source. Pumps can usually prime themselves. If not just get the height closer until they prime.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks a lot for the answer, really helpful. I am not sure I follow your point on height distance. In the video above, you simply have the container next to the machine - is there any other way to place the container, or would that do? I just want to be 100% clear. Also, perhaps, what type of water filter or softener would use for this setup? Thanks!
Hi, what is the Expobar Minore? It looks identical too the Brewtus? Im in Australia,, thanks
Hey Blues, Yes it's a Brewtus.
At wich preassure should be the steam boiler when full temp?? And why it could be lower until you act it a bit and let him reheat. Thanks
Hi RG, Thanks for the question. Here's a video showing how to adjust the pressurestat which controls steam boiler pressure on an Expobar machine: ruclips.net/video/WVKg4z3yhkI/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much 👍👍👍
I think that the best option would be the rotary pump with an ext water tank like they did in the video which you can hide under the cabinet. But the middle version with vibratory pump switchable to tank or waterline is good too
Hi EG, Thanks for the comment!
Hi, I bought a pup.! It's a izzo Pompei , 2 group hand lever, makes great coffee, but it came without a pump. Can I use a roto. Flow pump from my old Iberital machine. To achieve autofiil to the boiler. I don't know why Izzo company would make a commercial machine without auto fill , when it has Gicar box and Gicar fitting but no electronics water valve, only a button, Love the show
So why was the expobar discontinued?
Hi Karl, Expobar/Crem made the decision to only offer machines with commercial ratings in the US market a couple of years ago. Look for updated machines under the Crem brand which are available in the US and elsewhere now like this one which builds on the Expobar Brewtus legacy: www.wholelattelove.com/products/crem-one-infuser-dual-boiler-espresso-machine
Big question, what is the difference between the Expobar, Rocket and Perfecto, it's coming confusing. Thanks
Hi NT, Expobar machines generally cost less for same capabilities. Rocket tends to put a bit more $$ into external case work, badging and branding - they are sexier in some peoples eyes. Expobar uses a custom E61 group with a pre-infusion chamber milled above the shower screen. I'm not familiar with Perfecto machines so can't comment on those. Hope that helps. If you have questions about specific Expobar vs. specific Rocket machines I'd be happy to give my opinions.
I've make a mistake, it's Profitec and not Perfecto, I don't know that one either.
Hi Norman, We love Profitec machines! Under the hood, we feel they have the best design. Externally the casework is excellent with high level of craftsmanship which extends even to finishing of internal weld seems of the drip tray. Also like the massive low wear sprung valves for steam and hot water on their machines like the Pro 500 and 700.
What effect does increasing brew pressure have then
Hi Les, Thanks for the question. In general, increasing brew pressure allows you to push brew water through a finer grind resulting in a deeper extraction. Just don't want to go too deep! You'll get an over-extraction and end up with bitter espresso.
Dear Marc, I have a Rocket evo R can i also use a water tank like the expobar?
Ashkan Km assume you mean drawing from an unpressurized external water source? Most rotary pump machines can do it. I’ve done it with a Rocket R58 so the Evo R should as well. If you run into issues, it may help to run some water from the machines reservoir prior to dropping the plumb like into an external source.
Marc
Whole Latte Love you are the best i am gonna try it♥️
has there been a side by side comparison with the Rocket??
+DD DD Yes there has. Use link below to go to video which compares Rocket R58 with Expobar Brewtus and Profitec Pro 700
ruclips.net/video/utMkSJD8WcI/видео.html
I did not catch it - does hot water circulates trough the group head to keep it hot?
Hi Dennis, Thanks for the question. Yes the Brewtus uses an E61 brew group which circulates water from the boiler through the grouphead via thermosiphon.
Marc
Do they automatically fill the boilers? Or needs to be done manually? Do they have no-water safety feature?
Cheers!
Hi JCA, Thanks for the question. Yes these machines all automatically fill the boiler and have safety features if no water.
Thank you!!
do this have a shot timer???
Brewtus does not have a shot timer. The Profitec Pro 700 does.
How much💰? One of those machines?
+Eliza Mutty Here's the full Expobar line with pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/espresso-machines/semi-automatic-espresso-machines?brand=Expobar&sort=featured
+Whole Latte Love Please, correct the picture of the version with the vibration pump (as mine is). Currently, the shown one is fior the rotary pump version: www.wholelattelove.com/products/expobar-brewtus-iv-with-vibration-pump
Rotary is the best
Agreed!