Rohloff E-14 - is it really the best eBike drivetrain?

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  • Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
  • In this video we’re going to be talking about the Rohloff e-14 drivetrain. Many people would regard this as the best drivetrain currently available on the market for eBikes, but I don’t know if it’s the best for everyone. In this video I’m going to be talking about the different applications, uses, history, and bikes that use this drive train.
    Check out some bikes with the Rohloff system in the links below:
    Riese and Muller:
    propelbikes.com/riese-muller-...
    Tern:
    propelbikes.com/tern-brand-gu...
    TIMECODES:
    0:00 Riese and Muller Superdelite
    0:50 Rohloff company history
    3:20 Rohloff hub reliable
    3:50 How the Rohloff hub works
    6:15 Rohloff efficiency
    8:10 Belt drive vs chain
    8:45 How gears change on Rohloff hub
    9:30 Rohloff hub maintenance
    11:00 Bosch motor systems and torque
    11:15 Breaking down the Rohloff hub
    11:50 Bikes the Rohloff hub is available on
    #rohloff #rohloffhub #bosch #boschebikes #ebikes
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  • @Propelbikes
    @Propelbikes  Год назад +9

    Hey everyone! Thanks so much for watching.
    If you're interested in learning more about bikes featuring the Rohloff system, check out the links in the description! ✌

    • @scottdasilva902
      @scottdasilva902 Год назад

      I'm curious how a full suspension bike accommodates a belt drive. How is this done? Is there an informative video about this?

  • @vincevonderheyden7887
    @vincevonderheyden7887 2 года назад +32

    Additional information on pedaling pauses during gear changes:
    The internal connection between the Rohloff E-14 and the Bosch motor of the new Generation 4 no longer require pedaling pauses under load.
    The Bosch motor regulates this completely independently and takes for the mini-second the pressure from the drive belt. The driver no longer has to pay attention to it himself.

  • @maxnewts
    @maxnewts 3 года назад +118

    The immense quality of this video … is almost a miniature documentary, all on one type of gearbox.
    This is awesome!

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад +2

      Thanks so much Max! Always appreciate your support!

    • @ianmanders2309
      @ianmanders2309 2 года назад +2

      Nice tone with no shouting !

    • @rosomak8244
      @rosomak8244 Год назад

      It's a commercial.

    • @maxnewts
      @maxnewts Год назад

      @@rosomak8244 not so much. More just an explainer video to show the benefits of the technologies used in the gearbox system.

    • @maxnewts
      @maxnewts Год назад

      @@ianmanders2309 ?

  • @hermann-josefbreitmar718
    @hermann-josefbreitmar718 3 года назад +98

    Nice video Chris, I drive for 10 years an E bike with Rohloff and since last year a R&M with E14 and have over 10000 km with the new bike. Clean thing, no chain maintenance with oil because belt drive. Only every 5000km an oil change. I am still thrilled. Greetings from Germany

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад +4

      Super cool! Keep it up!

    • @hermann-josefbreitmar718
      @hermann-josefbreitmar718 3 года назад +13

      @Click Bait In the city, there is probably no problem. In hilly terrain, the Rohloff comes into play and shows its advantages. I can master almost any slope without dismounting. I remain, the Rohloff is for me even after 10 years of experience the optimum of the gears. Especially because at a standstill can be switched. Greetings from Germany.

    • @ronaldroberts7221
      @ronaldroberts7221 3 года назад

      @Click Bait True. The Rohloff was designed in Switzerland, so having a lot of gears would be helpful there. They might think it's nuts to use one in a place with no mountains, but if you want to buy one, they won't stop you...

    • @zachm.3049
      @zachm.3049 2 года назад

      Sounds great! Can you do the oil service on Rohloff IGH yourself?
      I have this item on my wish list for my own custom e-bike build.
      But was not experienced and sure enough I'd be compatible and lasts my mid drive BBHS 1500W ~165nm engine power over time.
      So now running a 8 speed Shimano IGH as a try-out for daily commuting.
      Personally I prefer mechanical shifting cable(s) over electronic, since I'd like also to ride without battery.

    • @MTLClimb
      @MTLClimb 2 года назад +6

      @@zachm.3049 yup, you can buy a Rohloff oil change kit which supplies all the items you need (including the syringe for the oil, but maybe not a hex key to open the hub). I have an R&M Load 60 with Rohloff which I received this year and will be doing my oil change next year with this kit. They suggest to do it once a year. That’s about the only maintenance (as there is no need to oil, clean a chain) along with tire pressure.

  • @bugsinthebeard7521
    @bugsinthebeard7521 3 года назад +46

    At thee moment I’m on a 4400 mile circumnavigation of the coast of the UK. I’m riding a Reise & Muller Load 75 with Rohloff E14. It’s smooth and does the job nicely. The gear range is great, tackling any hill I have thrown at it. Great video Chris.

    • @james-p
      @james-p Год назад +3

      Anyone who's doing a great bike trip like that gets an automatic upvote from me! If you happen to see this, how did it go?

    • @Argbeil
      @Argbeil Год назад

      I hate the shift-buttons, they are not reliable and hard to use when wearing gloves.

  • @StellarFella
    @StellarFella 2 года назад +4

    You are a very eloquent, soft spoken, and a thoroughly understandable narrator.
    Fluid speaking without dead spots and without repetition.
    Those different bikes you feature are cutting edge in design. Love the belt drive models.
    Just subscribed and am looking forward to subsequent videos. Thanks a bunch.

  • @daytriker
    @daytriker 2 года назад +16

    I had considered the Rohloff & Enviolo when looking for my Internal Geared Hub & there were a few factors which made my choice the Alfine 11. This was 6 years ago now & still very happy with my choice. Here's what I didn't like about the Rohloff & Enviolo - With the Rohloff it was the cost. In Canada they end up being a little under $2000. by the time you are on the road. As a comparison my Alfine 11 was $700. ready to ride. My rationale was if the Alfine fails after a few years I can either replace the inner assembly for $400. or buy the latest version of the hub & still be hundreds of $ ahead. I also didn't like the dual gear cables & twist grip shifters on both hubs. With the Alfine I had a choice but the paddle shifter has been faultless. With the Enviolo it was the weight of the hub & the feeling like it was rubber banding. The last consideration was the gear range. With the Rohloff you are able to achieve a lower gear inch which is better suited to climbing or carrying heavy loads but with the Alfine hub I was able to gear it almost as low while achieving a better high gear. This suited my riding better as I wasn't going offroad or carrying very heavy loads. Rohloff also has this policy of limiting their warranty coverage if you go outside of their recommended ratios & for $2000. this did not inspire much confidence in buying their hub.

  • @HexPulsion
    @HexPulsion 3 года назад +1

    Always at the cutting edge of the evolution of cycling. Keep on your good job.

  • @user-dh9zg1ye5m
    @user-dh9zg1ye5m 3 года назад +2

    Max nailed it in his comment below. This may be the best and most informative video I have ever seen. All important info, no fluff. I have ordered the Riese and Muller Superdelite Mountain with this hub.

  • @adri5759
    @adri5759 3 года назад +2

    Good review, meaningful and clear explanation, no talking to say nothing in the end as in many reviews. Thank you.

  • @ju9piter
    @ju9piter 3 года назад +5

    Really helpful. Thank you. I like my old-fashioned derailleur and chain just fine!

  • @keanutax4951
    @keanutax4951 2 года назад

    Excellent video. Very high quality information, resolution, editing, structure of your story etc.!

  • @ronjackson5752
    @ronjackson5752 2 года назад +4

    Hi Chris, I recently watched your video with the Mayor of Emeryville, CA. Very nice I can’t wait to ride their trails! I’m also a disabled vet and 83 years old living in Livermore, CA and I ride an adult e-trike as my balance is not so good any longer. I would appreciate you doing a video on adult tricycles for seniors. I’ll look forward to this. Keep up the d good work you do! 🚴🇺🇸👍

  • @Top5ebikes
    @Top5ebikes 3 года назад +1

    Another awesome video! I really enjoy these type of videos!

  • @antonoat
    @antonoat 3 года назад +1

    Another quality film Chris, thanks for sharing it with us.

  • @michael-lt2lf
    @michael-lt2lf 3 года назад +1

    Your post up Vids regarding Ebikes are the most informative available. I wish you were over here in Europe - well, in my case England actually. I would just love to buy an Ebike from you. Well done sir, for your expertise and thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

  • @haldorasgirson9463
    @haldorasgirson9463 3 года назад +18

    Great video. I am very impressed by that Rohloff. And the motor integration. Uses the Bosch display to indicate what gear it is in. That is fantastic.

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад +2

      It is pretty fantastic! Things are really going to the next level with the tech and integrations.

  • @stealthmimic4996
    @stealthmimic4996 Год назад

    Really nice overview. Learned a lot. Just starting out and investigating eBike’s. Chris’s preso’s are excellent!. Thanks!

  • @myopenmind527
    @myopenmind527 2 года назад +1

    Chris, thanks to you, your team and your videos I’m collecting my superdelite tomorrow.
    Going for the GT HS Rohloff. I’ve already taken it for a test ride and compared it to other brands and models. Whilst it’s not cheap it does in my eyes represent great value for money. I’m looking forward to years of commuting and touring.
    I may never meet you by I would like to thank you!!

  • @darrenprior6339
    @darrenprior6339 3 года назад

    Your videos are fantastic and very informative. Thanks for all you do

  • @markkohr6078
    @markkohr6078 3 года назад +2

    Dang ... such an amazing production ... you two really provide excellent information for us all.

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад

      Thanks so much Mark! It’s coming together for sure. I still owe you follow up btw. Sorry about that. Hoping we can connect soon!

    • @markkohr6078
      @markkohr6078 3 года назад +1

      @@Propelbikes No worries, it will happen. Btw ... in regard to the film making process, you've really done your part too by developing your onscreen skills. It' work. And it shows.

  • @MarcusGraeser
    @MarcusGraeser 3 года назад +5

    Great Video! You have defintely a second carrer in the RUclips world. Just wanted to add that the Rohloff hub is THE choice for a lot of world travellers on bikes.

  • @injuredtabletennisplayer1474
    @injuredtabletennisplayer1474 3 года назад +26

    Another winner video. Informative and your sincere presentation makes it captivating. You make excellence routine.

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад

      I really do appreciate it! I hope you're doing well.

    • @michaelmetcalfe795
      @michaelmetcalfe795 3 года назад

      Thx good info..we from Canada/ any shops in Ontario with Roloff🇨🇦

  • @jessegee179
    @jessegee179 2 года назад +1

    Thank you so much, it's really useful. I was looking at a nearly new R&M Tinker Vario, I loved the handlebar adjustability, but it didn't have a rolloff, and I'm sure I'll prefer the button instead of the shifter. After watching your video I'm going to try out some Terns. Thanks again, it's saved me from making a wrong decision.

  • @nthenwhat8912
    @nthenwhat8912 Год назад

    Another great clip providing immediate value, thanks!

  • @robjackson4597
    @robjackson4597 3 года назад +16

    Love the Rohloff E-14 on my Supercharger! Just changed the oil a couple of months ago. Super easy with the Rohloff oil change kit.

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад +1

      Awesome Rob! Thanks for sharing this!

  • @davidinghram2494
    @davidinghram2494 2 года назад +3

    Interesting video that is very well explained. I can certainly understand the appeal for those that use their bikes every day and in less than ideal weather conditions. It`s a shame that they are so expensive, but you made it easy to see why. Well done.

  • @mytrini
    @mytrini 3 года назад +2

    Great video. I converted my Orbea Wild FS to run a Rohloff with E-14. So much nice than external gears.

  • @alfredoj1349
    @alfredoj1349 3 года назад +1

    Dude that was a documentary in the whole extent. You got a new subscriber

  • @PhotoStrider
    @PhotoStrider 3 года назад +1

    Another great informative video..... much thanks 👍👏😃🇨🇦

  • @prostreet9149
    @prostreet9149 3 года назад

    I could not have said that better, excellent job, thank you

  • @albertdesalvo7273
    @albertdesalvo7273 3 года назад +1

    I have an 18 speed Pinion fitted to my Scorpion fs 26. I've had it for 5 years now and covered just over 3,000 miles without a single fault. I don't think it is as efficient as the Rohloff, but it's still an excellent piece of kit. Well pleased.
    Enjoyable and informative video. Voted & Sub'd.

  • @holyfox94
    @holyfox94 3 года назад +7

    A „how to“ series would be great. With a mechanic or the boss himself. Doesn’t matter.
    Like, how to change brake pads, how to change those difficult to get off tires,...
    Tara, as always, great editing 👍🏻

  • @Maloneranger0311
    @Maloneranger0311 6 месяцев назад +1

    Another company using the Rohloff Speedhub is Bakcou in Ogden Utah. Top of the line bike company specializing in off-road hunting bicycles. Using the Rohloff Speedhubs in their highest end models: Jager & MAV3. Made to go up the steepest hills and carry elk/deer on bike trailers out of the back country on bike trailers after the hunt. Outstanding company excellent service.

  • @davidwiniger3799
    @davidwiniger3799 3 года назад

    Great explanations of the two main choices

  • @misty671
    @misty671 3 года назад +1

    Thanks Chris, very informative. Would like to upgrade my bike with one of these a hubs. The Rolloff is the best.

  • @Vardraq
    @Vardraq 3 года назад +3

    Very useful video mate. Thanks a ton.

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад

      Thanks Joe! Much appreciated

  • @martypaulcombs
    @martypaulcombs Год назад +4

    I wouldn't trade my Rohloff for anything. I bought the manual version for my Riese-Mueller Delite back in 2016.

  • @marcb1289
    @marcb1289 3 года назад +4

    One great advantage of speedhubs over derailleurs is that there is nothing hanging on right side of rear axle; a derailleur can be spoiled in different situations (of course, possibilty to use belt instead chain, and possibility to change gear without moving, are the two main advantages, in my point of view).
    Two main advantages of Rohloff over other speedhubs are the range, with not too wide gap between gears, and that the rear wheel can easily be removed (no weird cable attachement with the Rohloff, even with the standard one)... The "less friction" aspect is real compared to Envolio, but not so sensible compared to some other speedhub (in my case: Alfine).
    Changing oil is very simple and not expensive (I am buying kits on German eshops). Changing old version pinion was not very difficult (for Rohloff using chain) and pinions can be used on both sides; with new pinion system, it is easier (no screw to untight with specific tool).
    But I don't find that the two buttons shifter is very pleasant to use: the triangle shaped buttons do not work well when you push off center, so the sweetspot is quite small. The whole "two buttons" shifter is not very comfortable whatever rotation adjustment, because the whole thing is rather small and smooth. They should have made something more like a trigger that you can push up or down, without having to check your fingers, then the display, to know whether you have switch gear.
    It's not a "no go" at all (current switcher is fully usable), but a direction for improvement.

  • @do-ineedtosay723
    @do-ineedtosay723 Год назад +1

    Excellent video! I would love to see a Bafang/E-14 combination in the future.
    *

  • @andrew777au
    @andrew777au Год назад

    Great intel ~ thanks from Australia

  • @napoliansolo7865
    @napoliansolo7865 3 года назад

    Worth the watch! If you wanted more info on this setup, this is where to get it.

  • @howardwielhouwer3083
    @howardwielhouwer3083 2 года назад

    Great videos appreciate your work sir going to New York on vacation this summer I am going to stop at your store maybe I'll get lucky and I'll get to meet you

  • @garydunbar2734
    @garydunbar2734 3 года назад +4

    I have an Australian touring bike called a Vivente Gibb. Amazing bike with a Rohloff hub and gates drive that has been developed over thirty plus years. Set up to travel the world and well worth considering. Non electric

  • @tonosama516
    @tonosama516 3 года назад +1

    Great informative video. I’d like to see one describing Enviolo. I hope Tern and other companies will offer a belt drive on a folding ebike. I don’t want to get grease inside my car. I’d buy one if they did.

  • @jetgold
    @jetgold 3 года назад +1

    Yes for sure, I would need to save up for a few months of pay. But this bike with the drive train is top on my wish list 👌.

  • @prostreet9149
    @prostreet9149 3 года назад

    Great job ,well done, thank you

  • @elgordo543
    @elgordo543 3 года назад

    Great video thank you!

  • @dacarpenter7845
    @dacarpenter7845 3 года назад +6

    I like your blog and typically catch your RUclips videos a couple of times each week. One thing I miss and don't see very often are e-trikes. I used ride my old bicycle, unfortunately do to increasingly getting older and mobility problems, I just can't do rides like I used to. So the jest of my inquiry is can you do some more e-trikes or send me some lists of what you would find e-trikes that would help people like me. Thanks for your time and consideration.

    • @StellarFella
      @StellarFella 2 года назад

      Well stated. Please watch and subscribe to Utah Trikes. They really know what they are doing and fabricate the best trike and QUAD configurations which are featured on their numerous RUclips videos. They have just moved to a new and much bigger location. Plenty more videos in store.

  • @ermusas1
    @ermusas1 3 года назад

    Superb video.

  • @sidlabdi
    @sidlabdi 3 года назад +3

    Hi Chris. Thank's for the video. I use a Riese and Muller Supercharger 2 equipped with the Rohloff Sppedhub E-14. I use the bike everyday for home-work comuting (starting on january 2020, now almost 4000 kms). This internal gear hub is a must have. To give a complete description maybe a drawback is the oil leak wich seems to be "normal" but is very surprising the first time. It can be several dots that make the ground really dirty. There are many posts on the web that explain that this is something usual.
    Changing the oil is really easy. No need to visit the dealer shop for that.
    Regards

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад

      Great feedback! Thanks for sharing!

    • @marcb1289
      @marcb1289 3 года назад

      "the oil leak wich seems to be "normal" "... Hum.. No, it's not. I have two bikes with Rohloff (and one with Alfine); an oil leak is not normal with a speedhub. You better check this with the seller, since your bike is still under warranty.

  • @merson812
    @merson812 8 месяцев назад

    Fascinating. Thank you.

  • @cook5381
    @cook5381 3 года назад +1

    Very well presented, good level.of information too. I have a Rohloff on my Velotechnik trike, a better setup than the derailleur for our muddy lanes, thank you

  • @MuratKazakhViEW
    @MuratKazakhViEW 3 года назад

    I want to swap out the pedal assembly on my old Mobiky Jenius 12 inch for an e-bike system . I watched your video about the gearbox and I think I need to put that too :))

  • @michaelbeiyt
    @michaelbeiyt 3 года назад

    Ö find ich blod. That was a funny one on of their machines.
    Again an awesome video! If you wanna ride a lot of miles on your bike, then internal gearing and belt drive is the best choice. Just consider how much a decent external drive costs. External is only cheaper in the beginning.
    Pinion, belt drive and hub motor is also great combination.

  • @peterbense5650
    @peterbense5650 3 года назад +4

    I've owned two Rohloffs and sold them both. (I wasn't sure enough of my experiences from the first one -- thought maybe I'd gotten a "dud", but the second one was the same.)
    They are intriguing from an engineering perspective, really cool -- also have a fantastic track record from a reliability perspective. I really, really, really wanted to like them but found that there is mechanical resistance in them that just doesn't exist with plain old derailleurs. To say nothing of the weight and expense...!

    • @durkadur27
      @durkadur27 2 года назад +3

      Just FYI, there is a break in period on the Rohloff hub.

  • @jimji2774
    @jimji2774 Год назад

    Typically great a video from you sir. I just bought a specialized Vado 5.0 igh with the nvolo hub and automatic.. Not sure I can ever go back to a derailleur or a twist shifter for that matter. Just need to higher gear the Vado to increase its top speed since it only has 380° in the hub. No doubt I will own a rolhoff before I die. I like the looks of some of those sportier reice and Mueller bikes in the video Thanks.

  • @sameeralazawee7524
    @sameeralazawee7524 3 года назад

    Very good , Thanks .

  • @dennisdownes9319
    @dennisdownes9319 Год назад

    Great video...thanks. DD

  • @deirdrereynolds4684
    @deirdrereynolds4684 2 года назад

    very informative! 🚴 🔌☺️

  • @mauort6870
    @mauort6870 3 года назад +2

    dude your videos are so bad ass. I've always thought anyone who owned bike shops was bad ass, but you are pushing the next level

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад

      Wow! First time being called bad ass! But I really appreciate it!

  • @axelbrunst
    @axelbrunst 2 года назад +1

    What a helpful video Chris. Thanks for that! I am currently in the process of configuring a Multicharger HS to replace my car (most of the time). It's pretty hilly here, so the Enviolo is no option for me. What would be your pick between the Shimano XT 11-speed system and the Rohloff? What would you say needs to be my annual milage for the Rohloff to be the obvious choice (from a price perspective)? Keep it up!

  • @patrickboyle5269
    @patrickboyle5269 3 года назад +5

    Interesting video, thanks for that.
    Just to be clear (confirmed by Enviolo and Rohloff):
    - the Enviolo hub is limited to 100Nm at the Bottom Bracket (putting more torque leads/can lead to the internal balls to go flattish and destroying the hub)
    - the Rohloff limited at 130Nm at the input level ("the input torque we refer to is measured at the SPEEDHUB input sprocket" says Rohloff customer service ).
    This means that if you have a 18 teeth sprocket at the rear and 36 teeth at the front, the Rohloff can stand 260Nm at the bottom bracket. HOWEVER, Rohloff specified that these 130Nm at the input level, includes the torque of the motor AND the torque of the cyclist. Still, this is an insanely higher level of torque than the Enviolo can cope with.
    Also, as Rohloff says "The sudden application of torque from high power motors may lead to internal component damage if the curve hasn't been programmed with transmission component longevity in mind", so should you install a 160Nm Bafang motor like I did, better not start with Pedal assist on full blast, but start low and progressively increase PAS level as the speed builds up.

    • @danieloconnor373
      @danieloconnor373 Год назад

      Hey Patrick , how did your rohloff work out with the 160nm torque.
      I’m looking at doing the same .
      Revollute hub1 6 speed , 250nm torque capability , coming out soon and
      HB hightec , 9 speed , 250nm as well

    • @patrickboyle5269
      @patrickboyle5269 Год назад +1

      @@danieloconnor373 Hi Daniel, have done c. 1,500Km on it and it is working like a charm ;o) Maybe I am overly cautious with it as the Enviolo did not last long, so everytime I change gear when in full power, I make sure to reduce the pedal assist 3-4 levels (down to middle power), then change gear, then start pedalling and increase back to full power. I have a ratio of 3:1 front to rear and live in a hilly city, but must say this ratio is perfect, cycling easily at 45km/h on flat at a 50-60 per second cadence.
      So although Rholoff are expensive and they look like they were created in the 17th century, they are 10x more worth buying than the Enviolo (to me)

  • @jimrichard5535
    @jimrichard5535 Год назад

    I am currently on a Specialized Vado 5.0 igh that uses the larger of the two Eviolo hubs which I believe is 380 percent range. I did have some issues with keeping the cadence slow enough at high speeds but going to a 2 tooth smaller hub gear pretty much solved the problem. The Vado 5.0 has that auto shifting box which is just so great as I am not sure I would ever want any kind of twist shifter especially on such a high priced bike. I see on the R & M that there are also manual override buttons which is kind of like paddle shifters in cars. Wow I will really have to try one of these and likely get one since it also has that rear suspension that I am missing from my mt bike. Thanks much.

  • @williamkubicek6237
    @williamkubicek6237 3 года назад +1

    I have an Opti Bike out of Boulder that has a Rohloff bike and it is awesome, as a long-time rider it is a little tuff getting used to not pedaling while you shift.

  • @espritmike
    @espritmike 3 года назад

    My Blade 2.0 has a 14 speed Rohloff speed hub. It’s a 1500w Bafang Ultra powered mid drive mountain bike sold from the San Diego based company FLX (builders of the babymaker).

  • @svenweihusen57
    @svenweihusen57 3 года назад +3

    Very good video. Just some opinions:
    Weight, efficiency and gear range are not really a factor for E-Bikes. An E-Bike is already really heavy, efficiency is secondary because the motor will compensate for it and the motor will also compensate for missing gear range. Sure you will use up more battery but most people will rarely use up all the energy within one day.
    You can even shift a gearbox without slowing down your cadence. You can shift while peddling but not under full load. So when you just reduce the power a bit and put a little bit of pressure on the shifter it will not shift while there is pressure on the pedals but when you reach the dead point it will shift instantly. This way you need way less coordinations.

  • @charlesnmalden
    @charlesnmalden 3 года назад +1

    GSD R14 in UK, 400 miles and really enjoying it. Would like a more positive feel for the centre of the push gear change buttons - especially with gloves on.
    R14 is a heavy bike but it's a joy to ride with no assistance - no drag from the Rohloff or the belt drive or the Bosch Gen 4. (Bosch Gen3 was a DRAG)

  • @alasdairhill5166
    @alasdairhill5166 3 года назад +1

    That's excellent as a mountain biker the rohloff looks like a really good way forward

    • @StellarFella
      @StellarFella 2 года назад +1

      The pinion system works better with mountain bikes.

  • @r4z0r1
    @r4z0r1 3 года назад +1

    The Rohloff is great, it is such a perfect bonding element between man and machine. in any situation i feel like to ride with the perfect cadence. 80 seems to be the sweet spot for me and the Bosch Performance Speed Gen 2 motor.
    Chris your videos are perfect to learn about ebikes.
    If I could ask for a topic it would be ebikes as a business. How many bikes worldwide per year, rate of growth, who are the biggest manufacturers, suppliers. Whats their revenue and outlook.
    E.g. Bosch does not report their ebike revenues. My guestimation would be they passed 1bn€ per year with growth rate of over 30% anually...

  • @jameswright3624
    @jameswright3624 2 года назад

    Thanks for posting Chris, good video! I have two Rohloff bikes already and just ordered a Rohloff Load 75 HS from you guys in Long Beach. You mentioned that we should update the E-14 & Bosch software in sync, which makes perfect sense - do you all perform Bosch/E-14 software updates as a part of regular maintenance in the shop when we bring it in for an annual oil change, etc.?

  • @JohnnyGing
    @JohnnyGing 3 года назад

    Love mine !!

  • @sammyjames1929
    @sammyjames1929 3 года назад +3

    I need that in my life 🍻

  • @eabellamy1
    @eabellamy1 3 года назад +1

    I still have a good old Vittoria with a NuVinci hub (Enviolo). Needs resetting once in a while, but is very comfortable for a city bike, very happy with it.

  • @salamelvisual6270
    @salamelvisual6270 Год назад

    great video! i was thinking about the cost of the rohloff an dthe price of changing casette and chains

  • @capesocialist4113
    @capesocialist4113 3 года назад +3

    Great vid. Been watching you here in Cape Town. We have a handful of local suppliers at best wrt ebikes. My next ebike I really want a drive belt instead of a chain...

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад +1

      Much appreciated! I would love to get to ride in Cape Town someday!

    • @RoxyStellar
      @RoxyStellar 3 года назад

      meeee too ! #EbikeChapter lulz* not about the bike tho

    • @capesocialist4113
      @capesocialist4113 3 года назад

      @@Propelbikes Awesome yes we cycle often up the West coast beautiful views of the mountain. Would be great to ride with you!

  • @gillespellerin4442
    @gillespellerin4442 3 года назад

    Hi,
    I really love your video they are very well done. I don't know if you made a video on this. I have a 2019 R&M Delite with Roholff E-14. Until now I keep changing the level of assistance depending on the slope. I was wondering if I should just pick a level of assistance for a ride. If so, would I drain my battery faster?

  • @BluegrassGal101
    @BluegrassGal101 2 года назад +1

    One of my first cycling lessons was - Don't Shift While Going Over a BUMP - the chain on my adult trike just flew right OFF. Years later i understand - I Am My Own Clutch. But i dream of electric assist in hopes that its upward developments will someday converge with my declining abilities to make me a happy senior cyclist. Dream On!

    • @StellarFella
      @StellarFella 2 года назад

      Trike or QUAD time. Utah Trikes fabs great trikes and QUADS. Watch them on RUclips.

  • @tsmith3139
    @tsmith3139 5 месяцев назад

    Hey Chris-another great video! Question for you...I'm riding a Gazelle with the Bosch speed motor and I saw that they are offering Enviolo, but I'm not seeing Rohloff. I like Riese & Mueller but they are too expensive for my riding style. Thoughts? Thanks, as always 🙂

  • @HermannKerr
    @HermannKerr 3 года назад +1

    I am a Rohloff user. I own two trikes, ICE Sprint RS 20" and Azub Ti-Fly 20" both with Rohloffs. I love the idea of belt drives. There are some issues with belt drives but one that I was told about was that one couldn't bend a belt backwards. One of the things I see here in your video is the bent backwards. Are these belts new tech that wasn't available previously? I do realise that there are issues of triangular frames that need to separate to accommodate a belt. I am a Rohloff fan boy. Oh and by the way that is one sweet looking electric bike.

  • @cardingue
    @cardingue 3 года назад +1

    Great video! When is a video on the packster 70?

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад

      Much appreciated! I actually completed one on the Packster 70 not long ago. Link below: ruclips.net/video/NlNmF0Tj9Lk/видео.html

  • @johnfarmingdale
    @johnfarmingdale 3 года назад

    I would love to see a trail bike version. awesome 14 gears rear hub

  • @jaspervanzon
    @jaspervanzon 3 года назад

    Nice vid, very helpful. I ride the HNF Nicolai XF3 with the Rohloff E14 since a few months. Very happy so far..!!

  • @geekane9462
    @geekane9462 Год назад

    Excellent video and explantion. It seems like the Rohloff or Enviolo hubs would be ideal for my Santa Cruz V10 ebike conversion project. I'm running into challenges with the 83mm bottom bracket width and the 157mm rear hub spacing. This makes for a challenge to maintain a proper chainline.
    However, the internal geared hubs are not only super expensive but heavy. The motor and battery is already heavy but add a geared hub and now where pushing 60lbs. Not really an issue for pedaling but for transportation when you need to take it on a plane even without the battery.
    Anyone out there use a geared hub on an 83mm mountain bike?

  • @TechyBen
    @TechyBen 3 года назад +12

    I am so glad someone else did the math needed to figure out how to put those gears together. XD

  • @breakbot123
    @breakbot123 3 года назад +7

    Thank you so much. Was hoping for a deep dive on the E-14. Whats your experience in terms of reliability so far (not the hub itself but rather the E-14 setup)? And is there any way so manually shift gears if it stops working in the middle of nowhere?

    • @neurokinetik
      @neurokinetik 11 месяцев назад

      It looks like once you remove the shifter box, you could shift manually with the right sized hex wrench, assuming it is the same as the cable version.

  • @simonlynch4204
    @simonlynch4204 3 года назад +1

    I give it 5 years and we'll have e bikes and rohloff with enough range to tackle a world tour. Can't wait!

  • @noosestroke
    @noosestroke 3 года назад +8

    I like Enviolo as one can "shift" also under load (while pedaling) and the no step shifting helps set an exact transmision ratio. I think enviolo is really good for e-bikes 😊👍

    • @OzzVidal
      @OzzVidal 3 года назад +3

      just ordered my tern bike with enviolo on it. hopefully theres no regrets

    • @Propelbikes
      @Propelbikes  3 года назад +3

      It is a really nice way to go and it’s one of the most popular drivetrains in our shop.

    • @holyfox94
      @holyfox94 3 года назад +1

      Enviolo is super comfy, but I know quite some people who regret it, because they live in steep terrain.
      If not, it’s a awesome system.
      I live in such steep terrain, that even a classic chain system managed to stress and break my motor over time 😔

    • @noosestroke
      @noosestroke 3 года назад

      @@holyfox94 in 🇨🇭 we have really steep hills, and I never had problems doing even the steepest ones ( with two fully loaded panier bags with groceries)... I think it is important that the drive train/motor has a small chain ring on the craks (case with the newer e-bikes)

    • @holyfox94
      @holyfox94 3 года назад +3

      @@noosestroke The now broken e bike, Haibike Bosch CX, had a small front chain wheel.
      Still, it happened. Stuttgart, Germany, especially my „Hausberg“ is the steepest in town, a few kilometres long and I have to drive it several times a day.
      Even in the Alps such steep hills are not that common. At least not on a daily basis as I don’t have or want a car anymore.
      As mentioned. One may be satisfied with the Enviolo, but you may need to buy a new bike or motor sooner than thaught.
      Grüße in die schöne Schweiz 🙋🏼‍♀️

  • @KRISTAPSSVEISBERGS
    @KRISTAPSSVEISBERGS 2 года назад

    Hi. Nice video. Do you have any experience with shimano inter-5e hubs? I am planing to build e-bike and currently i have dicided to go with this hub considering the price.

  • @ronjackson5752
    @ronjackson5752 2 года назад

    Very good explanation of this product. Does anyone developed a deans mission for an e- trike?

  • @hgrworkshop397
    @hgrworkshop397 3 года назад +1

    Nice video, very informative. What is the grey ebike behind you throughout most of the video?

    • @james-p
      @james-p 3 года назад

      That appears to be a Riese & Müller Superdelite. It can be ordered with a derailleur, Enviolo, and of course the Röhloff as shown. Gird your loins before going to their website and checking the price tho - All that German-Made Goodness comes dear ;-)

  • @justjanie7252
    @justjanie7252 3 года назад

    Does this come in 20" fat tire I have short arms and legs. Step through.. is the seat gel comfortable and also easy lowering ie. Spring loaded.
    I love the idea that this is a pedal Shift versus a hand shift because I'm not as coordinated you know with that
    Love the double battery!

  • @DJaquithFL
    @DJaquithFL 3 месяца назад

    Looking at the updated CHENOA MAX, ROHLOFF E14. I'm looking for direct drive, internal gearing and front / rear suspension.

  • @gepardtilly
    @gepardtilly 11 месяцев назад

    Every time I tried the Rohloff hub on an ebike my issue was that it was so slow to change gears. The steps between the gears are too small for an ebike, and I had to switch 3-4 gears each time. A lot of button presses all the time on the flimsy small buttons.
    For mechanical bikes, I love the Rohloff, it is fantastic, and the small difference between gears helps fine tune my cadence.

  • @greg6094
    @greg6094 3 года назад +2

    Awesome stuff! For those people also looking for a portable bike which they can throw in a car and drive it to the mountains, are the Rohloff's compatible with quick release? Thru-axles? I've only ever seen them with the traditional nut setup but the ones in your video looked like thru axle?

    • @frankparisi2433
      @frankparisi2433 2 года назад

      Yes. There are adapters you can buy that will get your Rolloff to a 12mm qr

  • @DZGunner
    @DZGunner 3 года назад

    Any chance you could make a video comparing how loud this bike is to other ebikes or just normal bikes? i've heard the R e-14 is loud, and ive also heard the bosch motor is a bit loud too. I have a rad rover from rad power bikes and it's pretty quiet at low to mid speeds, assuming im pedaling ofcourse. I'm really interested in this bike, but the uncertainty of sound has me holding back.

  • @davidl.4147
    @davidl.4147 Год назад

    I’m looking at an ICE Adventure recumbent. For this application, would you personally go for the Rohloff or the Enviolo. I will have the Steps electric assist.
    Thank you

  • @wiesejay
    @wiesejay 3 года назад

    Ich habe auch Schwalbe-Reifen -sehr schön!

  • @EddyBasch
    @EddyBasch 11 месяцев назад +2

    can the bike still function if the Rohloff E14 hub with electronic shifter fails? And how reliable is the electronic shifter?

  • @ahnonymuch4183
    @ahnonymuch4183 2 года назад

    I am using SRAM Force electronic shifting on my race bike. Does the Rohloff E14 makes that possible on a tour bike, or is the electric motor in the middle necessary?