CA49 vs CA59 - Kawai Concert Series Digital Pianos Demo
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- We finally have a Kawai CA59 the studio in and we are looking forward to diving into this model and comparing it with others in the series. Today, Ted and Pat have the CA-59 next to the entry piano in the series, the CA-49. These updated models retain the action and samples of the previous models while offering a number of new features and improvements that we will go over.
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-Class-leading Grand Feel Compact wooden-key keyboard action
-Stunning Shigeru Kawai SK-EX, SK-5* and Kawai EX concert grand piano sounds, with full 88-key sampling
-High-performance sound generation system developed in partnership with Onkyo
-Integrated Bluetooth MIDI and Audio* for wireless communication with smart devices
-Easy-to-use cheekblock control panel with high resolution OLED display
-Convenient PianoRemote control app for iOS/Android †
-Flexible Virtual Technician function with intuitive Smart Mode feature
-Built-in Burgmüller, Beyer, Chopin, Czerny etudes and Alfred lesson songs
-WAV/MP3/MIDI file record and playback via USB memory*
-Attractive, modern cabinet design available in three different wood finishes
* CA59 only | † PianoRemote app support to be added with future software update.
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Thanks! I bought a CA49 from you guys today because of this video.
I may actually prefer the mellower sound of the 49. Yeah, I think I do - it certainly sounds less digital to my ears. Cool pianos though!
Same for me, 59 is a very advanced model, I've tried at the music market both of them and same there 49 sounds better.
I agree! The CA49 sounds better
I enjoy your video's, I was sold on purchasing Kawai CN39, Currently I changed to CN49, Its my ultimate choice for the money.
Thank you thank you very very much this is very informative. Educational thank you Greg Joseph🤗
I paid $1700 USD for the CA49 two weeks ago. Loved it. I honestly don't see the justification for the price difference for the few extras (ie., speaker wattage, sound samples, effects) on the CA59.
Can you share where you bought it for $1,700? Thanks.
@@marydoo7311 I bought mine from Adorama. They just had the sale again yesterday. I’m guessing they’ll go down in price soon since the new CA models has already been announced.
@@ivanmusicjourney6047 I can’t seem to find a store called “Adriana”. Can you provide more information? Thank you!
@@marydoo7311 Sorry, it's Adorama. They have dropped the price to 1700 twice in a month, so it's likely going to happen again soon.
THZ THIS VIDEO HELPED ME ALOT I WAS LTERALLY CONFUSED BETWEEN THESE 2 NOW I CAN GO FOR CA 59 TYSM :)
Have you gotten ca59? How do you like it so far?
Thanks for another great video. Kawai nailed it again with this generation of CA series. Though I must confess the explanatuon about polyphony was not entirely comprehensive and acurate. And just a little correction, Ca49's polyphony is 192, not 196. Thanks again. Cheers.
Hey Patrick :-). I was literally not even considering Kawaii for a new digital piano. I have always been a Yamaha person, but was also considering a Roland. Thankfully, Kawaii came onto my radar. I was always familiar with their acoustic pianos, having played several grands and uprights. I have a lot of experience with Clavinovas, less experience with Roland. I played a newer digital piano by Roland recently, and was pretty happy with the action, and elated to see wooden keys-then I discovered they are just pieces of wood on the sides. I also didn’t care for the “modeling” that they are doing... apparently Yamaha is going the same route, with more success to my ears. But I’ve been blown away by the sound of Kawaii. We’re looking to replace a 15 year old Roland at the large Catholic Church where I am the Organist/Director of Music & Liturgy. Because the choir and instruments are located in the loft, it is a bit easier to just replace the digital piano with another one. We don’t need anything but something that has a fantastic piano sound, can be run through the sound system, and has a great action and reliability. I was looking at the Kawaii CA-59, Yamaha Clavinova CLP-745, and Roland HP-704. Any opinions? Thanks!!!
All I can tell you is that Kawai is generally underrated and often overlooked while Yamaha digitals slightly overated if anything.
So I've played the 745, 59, and 704. As far as action is concerned, the 704 has no equal here. I know it's not a traditional long wood key, but it feels much more solid and so convincing. The 59 action is nice, a little softer than the others including the keybed. A little wiggle room though left to right. The 745 has middle of the road action - nice but a little stiff at the bottom. But I actually liked that.
For your need, you cannot go wrong with the roland. Also has the best built in amplification, and just build quality is a step above.
I've just bought a Yamaha clp 735 and I was so dissapointed because of the light, easy keyboard. I'm a classical pianist and I need a heavier keyboard. Do you think CA49 has enough heavy keyboard for such pieces?
@@stefania2365 This is why you should make every effort to try and play these pianos before buying them if at all possible. If it's in your budget drive or fly out to the piano stores that have these pianos in stock. It may seem silly but if you're going to be playing and practicing on these for many years to come then you need to make sure you are happy with how it feels. The only way to do this is either buy each and every piano on your list and return it if you don't like it or go to the stores and try each of them out.
@@ArcticWolves thank you for your advice
Please tell me the name of the song used in this demo video at the 11 minute please please please
Huge sound quality difference between the CA49 and CA59 in this video. Thanks for pointing that out.
I wonder though, if I would connect a CA49 to my 2 Yamaha MSP7 studio speakers, or to my 2 Yamaha HS80M studio speakers, if it would outperform the CA59, from sound output quality perspective (not taking polyphony into account).
CA49 doesn't feature individual audio outputs.
It shouldn't for two reasons:
1) The CA59 features the HI-XL tone generator, with longer samples (the attack portion is up to 120% longer, according to Kawai). The CA49 features a less sophisticated engine, the PHI.
2) Speakers for digital pianos are calibrated for piano sounds, both in the presentation of the sound and the sound field they produce. Studio monitors are just for the person sitting in front of them at a close distance. Two different sound fields. The CA59 features two woofers in a large box under the piano firing down, and two full range speakers firing up in the upper (main) box delivering the mid to high range frequencies. It attempts to imitate a soundboard sound field dispersion.
Studio monitors offer a presentation of the sound intended for mixes. It will be an accurate image, but for people sitting in the room away from the studio monitors, it is a different story.
But as the other commented pointed out, the CA49 doesn't have line out anyway.
personal I find it appalling that the 49 doesn't have Bluetooth audio . I live in China and my $400 Chinese piano has it and 50watt speakers, graded hammers. I also have 256 polyphony. I've 1500+ hours on it no issues whatsoever.
Any modern bargin basement $100 processor should handle 256 polyphony. it's just a way for kawai to make a distinct difference between models and justify several sales lines.
Does they have comparable action key with es series? Im all about sound and action key, but if they are really similar, maybe ill stick with es version
Great video! Please make a comparison between the Kawai ca-49 and Yamaha clp-735😀
kawai ca49: 100% wooden 88 keyboard and 2x20 watt speakers
yamaha clp 735: 100%plastic keys(cheap) but louder & morepowerful speakers
You can probably get a CA-59 for around that price point. There R some good deals.
12:04 what song is that? Very well played and is growing on me FAST!
2nd song, Prayer for Mary
I just tried out the CA49 and CA59... but noticed some differences between the key's "touch and feel". Did I just persuaded myself that the 59 feels better, more high quality? When I see the video here I understood, that's it's the same hardware. Is this correct? Thanks fo much! Cheers from Hamburg
@The_Invisible_Man It's very possible that the touch settings might have been different on the CA59 so the best thing to do before going to any piano store is watch all the videos of factory resetting each piano on your list. This way each piano will boot up in their default sounds and won't have any of the settings changed, especially touch sensitvity settings.
Uhhh, I really could not tell any difference in the piano sounds of the CA49 and CA59; I suspect this is because the sounds are recorded on your video camera using a line-out. So a buyer really needs to put their hands and ears on a digital piano before deciding to buy. The CA59 is $3100. As for me, I'm more than happy with my $1600 Kawai ES920 (which I got from Alamo) plus $270 for the stand I had to get elsewhere. The keys felt pretty heavy at first but in just a month I've gotten used to the key weight.
Great video! I wanted to go for the CN39, but wanting wooden keys makes me look at the CA59, because the CA49 doesn't quite meet the same standard in terms of sound and features.
Oh.. 4*64=256 and 3*64=192, not 196.. ;-)
I'm seeing great deals on CA-59 lately. Go for it!
11:01 vs 12:38
So these instruments are a digital keyboard with a computer synthesizer.
I wonder, why don't anyone compare the processing power, sample size, sample resolution and rate. We all know about VSTs.
I don't, what's a VST?
@@JBAG1969 I put random acronyms in my comments to sound smart on the internets.
@@JBAG1969 VST is sound software
A VST is a software for your computer to produce sampled piano sounds of the best pianos humans have build for 200-400 bucks. You can attach any 60 $ midi keyboard to it and get this amazing sounding piano. The. The only difference left is speaker quality and feel of the action and keys. But Kawai is known to beat VSTs and it’s more work to set it up since you need a PC with good 5-80 GB storage, RAM and CPU. If you have that and a cheap piano look into VST like ivory II, pianoteq 7…
@@swish6143 my point is that Kawai don't publish any details about their piano CPU power, ram, rom and even sample size and sample rate of their audio subsystem.
6:58 Listen to this amazingly original story about why large polyphony is good. Apparently Kawai never heard of stereo samples, so it stores each note in a separate sample for L and R channel. Japanese are weird that way.
@@ginoeelen6374 Not true. Polyphony numbers are published as a selling point. Stereo samples are a standard on my old clunky casio px-310 from 2006. The number itself can be used as a possible hint about the processing power increase over generations of an instrument. If the declared polyphony grew from CA-58 to CA-59 that means that their main board got a CPU power upgrade. Whatever the upgrade was, your old home PC is probably 10 times more capable. Dexibell for example took a different path, they don't limit polyphony at all. They also provide more details about their instrument patches, like number of samples per key, sampling rate and bit depth of the samples and internal audio engine.
Can someone tell me the song at 11.04 many thanks
what is the name of song you play??
Where It's At.....
I have been offered a new CA-59 for a good price but the sound is nothing like acoustic and I am having trouble convincing myself to go through with it.
If you don't take it for a good price, let me know if I could get that unit. Seriously looking at the CA-59.
@@tommyg5095 The Myrtle Beach Piano Store I think its called. Local delivery included.
@@tommyg5095 aka Grand Strand Piano Center.
What is the basic difference between CN39 and CN49?
The C49 has wooden keys for starters. The C39 has plastic.
@@zpiel the cn 39 is a ca59 with plastic keys and the ca49 is a cn29 with wood keys
@@harrys2331 I believe the CA49 and CA59 both use the same “Grand Feel Compact” keyboards with wood keys.
@@pianist554 I don't think that the speakers and sound are the same either.
@@midnight4109 In terms of processing this might actually be true. Speaker wise, the CN39 has a lower power than CA59. But that said, the CA59 doesn't sound all that natural when using the speakers. The headphone output is excellent, tho.. oh, the CN39 has all GM MIDI sounds, while the CA59 doesn't.
Is the guy on the left Colin Mochrie's twin brother? :D
What is the difference regarding the virtual technician function? Can you connect both pianos to an app?
Do you have more options regarding piano sound the adjustments with the ca 59 or is it more or less the same?
These guys are snake oil salesmen. Esp the comment about polyphany truly reveals their BS. A word on polyphony, playing Chopin's Fantasy Impromptu only uses about 40 polyphony. Make no mistake, they're just trying to convince you to spend more money.
Kawai makes great DP's.
Both models have the same keys and damper system - which are top notch.
Both use the same piano sound engine - again top notch.
Both use the Piano Technician app.
Both use the same subwoofers.
The difference in price gets you 2 extra DSP effects: Undamped String Resonance + Cabinet Resonance
It also gives you 4 extra parameters in Piano Technician
You get more than double the voices but if you only play piano, then it's just a gimmick
You get better tweaters that are pointed upwards with 8 watts more power.
You get a SMALLER OLED display in the CA59, 128x64 vs 128x128 pixels.
You get bluetooth audio
Well dang that costco deal for the Roland FP-10 sounds wonderful then if fantasy impromptu only uses 40 polyphony. What about Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata Third Movement or Chopin's Revolution Etude? What would those use for polyphony? Curious if we'd ever hit the 92 limit on that piano with the damper pedal applied. Either way, I settled for the CA49 as it seems like the best bang for the buck right now when it comes to playing classically.
Please, next time, when you'll present new pro piano, invite some pro pianist who can play really difficult piece to show all instrument possibility. For beginners is enough Yamaha p 45 or p 125, but wooden keys is already for pianist like me, I want to listen And check pianissimo, on piano, repetition of sound and power of this model, and just after this few aspects I can decide to pay 2.000 euros.
A more metallic sound than cn39.