Digital Piano Comparison Yamaha CLP745 vs Kawai CA59 vs Casio GP310
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2020
- In-depth digital piano comparison showcasing the Yamaha CLP745, Kawai CA59 and Casio GP310. If you're looking for a new mid-range digital piano, this is essential viewing before you buy!
Bonners' piano specialist Tony White expertly demonstrates the features, sounds and design of these three fantastic instruments, using a wide range of playing styles. Watch Tony put the Yamaha CLP745, Casio GP510 and Kawai CA59 through their paces: which has the best sound, keyboard, Bluetooth, amplification and cabinet design?
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Tone wise comparison
1st pieces
1:54 Yamaha CFX Concert Grand
2:19 Casio Berlin
2:50 Kawai SK Concert Grand
2nd pieces
4:13 Yamaha Bosendorfer
4:51 Casio Vienna Grand
5:36 Kawai EX Concert Grand
with microphone
18:54 Yamaha
19:18 Casio
19:43 Kawai
Kudos to Bonners for doing the comparison, great and very useful review .
What is that second song? I know it from some movie
@@ArvindJuneja From Love Actually
Arvind Juneja glassgow love theme
@Sina Nazari Thanks for reply!.
Thank you so much for now showing audio through the camera! It really helps form an opinion
After spending way too much time researching pianos (but not being able to test them in person), this is what seems to come out:
- Yamaha: best for appearance and overall sound in headphones. This what I would pick if you plan to mainly play digital piano at home, especially through headphones.
- Casio: best for action. This is what I would pick if you are mainly using it to practice - in supplement to having an acoustic piano, or supplementing regular performances on acoustic.
- Kawai: good at basically everything. This is what I would pick if you want to balance silent practice at home with developing feel for acoustic.
More details:
# Appearance
1. Yamaha - looks great, nice details in the shape (e.g. music stand shape), available in polished ebony, Yamaha logo looks sophisticated (logo size, placement, letter spacing). Look is a bit more modern to my eye.
2. Kawai - looks good, but similar to a more traditional piano - so the styling just feels a bit older / more traditional.
3. Casio - not a fan - the Bechstein plaque looks gaudy to me, the front red power light is not good placement, and frankly a Casio brand logo doesn't look great on expensive products (I would prefer they invent some name like Celviano or Privia and put that on). Since the Casio brand name goes on $5 watches I think it is better if they have a different branding for expensive products to distinguish them.
Note that although no Roland models were reviewed here, I feel that generally the Rolands look a bit too "digital" for my taste and less like acoustic pianos.
# Action
I have not played these instruments, so this is just based on reading:
1. Casio - most authentic mechanism (in theory), seems to have universally positive reviews on action
2. Kawai - second most authentic mechanism (in theory), again very good action reviews
3. Yamaha - action is a bit of a mystery (although I think the wood in the white keys is a solid piece, not stuck only to the sides as claimed. The former statement is based on a thread showing a breakdown of the key on recent Clavinovas, whereas the latter is a rumor that I think started based on a Casio dealer web site). Tim Praskins seems to like the action in his review of CLP 745, though.
# Headphone sound
1. Yamaha - Although I think the bass register could be improved, I find it to have the most sparkling and melodious tone in the middle and upper registers, and one which is quite natural. The binaural samples are universally praised and seem like they really enhance the headphone experience. I really like the sound of both the CFX and Bosendorfer for line out recordings.
2. Kawai - I think the tone sounds quite natural but a bit more neutral and with less character than Yamaha. To me the same piece has a bit less impact on the Kawai, but others may prefer a more neutral sound.
3. Casio - Although in principle I really like the 3 pianos they've chosen (even if they won't explicitly name them ...), the actual samples sound too digital to me. They do not sound as natural. It might be because the GP310 doesn't include the same resonance effects as the other two pianos (GP510 adds this), or for other reasons of the sampling, but to me they have a way to go to match the sound of the other 2 pianos.
Note that although no Roland models were reviewed here, I feel their modeling engine still does not quite sound natural like Yamaha or Kawai (it might be more expressive, though, I don't know).
# Speaker sound
I have not tested these pianos in person so can't say. I was hoping this video would clarify the differences in speaker sound a bit, but honestly with the quality of the recording it is difficult to make any real judgements. Plus, I think one likely needs to sit at the piano and get the full spatial effect to really judge. So, no thoughts here.
Finally, note that depending on the market, there could be fairly significant difference in price. So if two pianos are neck and neck, why not save 15% or so and use it to buy music, lessons, etc.
Since I care mainly about playing a digital piano at home with headphones (not practicing for acoustic performances), and my wife really values appearance as this is going in a living room, we're going for Yamaha CLP 745 in polished ebony. But frankly these all seem like good choices! I think I'd be quite happy with the Kawai CA59 (or would upgrade to CA79); the Casio is not a good fit but there are much better piano players than me (e.g., Graham Fitch has a tutorial series on using the Casio) that chose this way. Happy hunting!
so true about the casio brand name being on $5 watches, the casio name and logo just doesn't do it for me.. no matter how good the piano might be haha
@@victoriangirl83 i confirm that the 745 action is not so great. I regrete that I couldn't buy a Yamaha U1 or U3 second hand(for almost the same price as a new clp745), because I need a silent piano, and a good silent system is ~1500 EUR
@@thomashuynh3354 Celviano and in small letters "by Casio" might work better for some that don't associate Casio with pricier products.
@@thomashuynh3354 I don't think Bechstein would put their name to the Casio unless the Grand Hybrid deserved to be associated with them. Bechstein has been producing pianos for over 150 years, I think it says a lot that they've put their name to a digital piano.
@Steve Ford You may be interested to know that a lot of Bechstein pianos have the plaque on the right hand side of the keyboard, hence why it's located there on the Casio Grand Hybrid. Take a look at www.jspianos.com/bechstein-uprights?lightbox=dataItem-jhzbkju4
Yes!! This is what i've been waiting for!!
I saw these pianos, and the Casio was a positive surprise! It's fantastic! The sound, the design, the action feels, so very good.
Tanks for the review!
Tanks?
Brilliant demonstration, thanks Tony !
this is a great review! thank you!
Very nice review!
This is a very thorough and informative video. Thank you!
Tony from Bonners,
What is your opinion on feel, sound, and style after playing and reviewing the three?
Hi friends, which feels and sound better between CP88, Clavinova CLP-645 and Clavinova CLP-745?. Thanks!.
Thank you!!! Excellent video!!
Nice review (as always 😀).
Small suggestion; it would be nice to hear a bit more about your opinion of the piano sounds and action feel compared to a real (grand) piano (resonance, let-off etc.)
I can not buy one of your piano because I am french but thank you so much for your videos it’s precious and I like the fact they are much more longer than others youtube channels
I do not exactly understand why you would'nt be able to buy those keyboards. All are available in any shops from France. Besides, what you have to catch is that the sounds shown in this videos are not recorded in the room where the pianos are standing in but are rather got from USB device out. This said, My opinion is that the Yamaha CLP is the best. But not with the included speakers. In addition I would say that Tony is a great pianist. Hope this will help.
Furthermore, I would suggest Yamaha and others to use DSP electronic processor in their sound cards. Such device would have a chance to spacialized the sound as if a real acoustic piano is there. I cannot see why they did'nt get this idea sooner.
@@tw4789 I just said I can't buy my piano in their shop. I'm not stupid, I will buy mine in France
@@frederickmenu3140 HAHAHAHAHHA
Your opinion on the comparative performance and feel of the keyboard action would be very helpful for those who can't try all. For example, would you say that Casio/Bechstein action feels better (meaning closer to an acoustic piano) than Yamaha's Grand Touch S?
Yes, I want to know that!
I completely agree! it does NOT matter how nice the sound is if the action is either very light and bouncy (CA59) or noisy (CLP745).
the Casio GP310 sounds more open, the Yamaha CLP 745 sounds more closed, and the Kawai CA59 sounds like it has more bass response.
The Celviano GP 310,410 and 510 are excellent digital piano. the action is great and the sound is excellent.
X2
I bought an GP300 in a outlet and is an incredible for the price
What do you think about 735?
The Evolution of the Celviano Pianos is a great surprise.
Nice video. If the keys on the CLP745 are not completely wooden, which advantages bring the wooden inlays in comparison to the CLP735? TY and greetings from Germany
I'd like to know this too. In doubt if I buy a clp 735 or spend more money on a gp 310.
Whats the song title and Interpret of the songs you play around the 5. minute?
Wait, doesn’t the Yamaha actually have 200 W output? I mean, the picture also reads "(50 + 50) * 2" for the CLP745...
I think it is 50 watts divided up between two speakers, x2.
Well guys, I have a 3 to 4 years old still functioning digital piano. What do I do with it? I want to buy one of these 3 so much.
Digital pianos sells relatively well and they don't depreciate too fast. Depending on condition, I would try to sell it locally.
For me the winning sounds are Yamaha CFX, Casio Hamburg & Kawai EX, but in no particular order. I'm so glad that a reviewer has thought to offer us a second and third piano sound from each model. The EX is overlooked in so many reviews, but I really like that sound. I would probably buy the Yamaha, partly because I know Yamahas pretty well, and I'm confident I'd get a good playing experience. I'm impressed that Casio is holding its own with Yamaha and Kawai.
Update: On watching this review again, my opinion is hardly unchanged, except to say that I enjoyed the two Bösendorfer sounds a lot as well, and the Kawai SK sound. I still didn't enjoy the detuned upright or the Berlin sound or the SK5 so much. Maybe in another setting I would. In many recent reviews elsewhere I have disliked the EX sound, but have enjoyed the Casio Berlin sound. So this shows just how tricky it is to evaluate a piano online, with someone else playing it.
Essential Viewing! 🇦🇺❤️
Hi friends, please tell which key action is better (faster, more confortable playing near the fulcrum and more reliable), between Korg RH3 (D1), Yamaha NWX (P515) and Roland PHA-50 (FP90)?. Thanks!.
PHA-50...(FP9O X)
@@mutaranebula7037 Thanks for reply mate!, and for a second place, Yamaha or Korg?.
Actually I compared the FP-90 and P-515 myself and like the Yamaha action more!
Hello Tony. Please be aware that you have made a mistake at 12:26 regarding the GrandTouch-S. The GrandTouch-S and GrandTouch use solid wood for the white keys. The picture you are displaying with wooden inserts corresponds to the Roland pianos with the PHA-50 action. That picture is shown in the Roland's website. Yamaha specifically clarifies that the white keys are made of solid wood. The black keys are synthetic ebony. The surface material of the white keys is synthetic ivory. Yamaha states, "GrandTouch-S keyboard of the CLP-745 features wooden keys that showcase Yamaha’s expertise with wood for pianos. Just as with grand piano keyboards, the solid wood is cut from the very best parts of well-dried lumber." On the other hand, Roland has been making that action you show with the "?" sign for a few years now, and they state in their website, "You’ll also appreciate the blend of artisan tradition and cutting-edge technology-sleek wooden sides give each white key a familiar feel". So, to summarize: Yamaha does NOT use wooden inserts on the sides in any of their digital pianos. That is the Roland PHA-50 action.
Someone disassembled the CLP-685 and showed that the GrandTouch keys are actually wooden inserts instead of solid wood. And I guess GrandTouch-S is not better than the GrandTouch.
Well, I'm sorry I don't know how to post the link to the article here
@@justinzhao9831 Hello Justin. My comment is actually old and I did have a chance to see a disassembled CLP-685 some time ago, probably the same one you refer to. I also contacted Yamaha regarding the GrandTouch and GrandTouch-S actions, but after my comment. Here is a more accurate description:
1) There are two versions of the GrandTouch-S: one fully plastic (CLP-725, 735, 765GP) and one with solid blocks of wood (CLP-745), not wooden inserts in the sense of the Roland PHA-50. Those wooden blocks are then sandwiched between two pieces of plastic (up and down) that end in the fulcrum. The GrandTouch-S is a bit shorter than the GrandTouch.
2) GrandTouch is never fully plastic. The white keys do not have wooden inserts in the sense of the Roland PHA-50 on the sides, or in the sense of the FATAR TP/400WOOD action (very similar to the PHA-50) present in the Studiologic Numa X Piano GT. GrandTouch does not have 100% fully wooden white keys, but they are not wooden inserts on the sides of plastic keys. They use a solid natural block of wood clamped top and bottom by plastic parts of the white keys attached to the pivot. Yamaha can claim they have wooden white keys made of solid natural pieces of wood, although this statement is a bit misleading because the white keys are not 100% made of wood.
3) The article you probably mention is in a Chinese website. I have it, so don't worry about attaching it. In addition, there is a video in Korean language where a person shows the wooden blocks in the NWX action (basically the same but improved in the GrandTouch) is, indeed, a solid block of wood: he saws the white keys in multiple angles and shows they are made of solid wood in the sense described above.
While this type of action does not qualify as 100% wooden white keys, it is still very different from the one Roland uses in their PHA-50 or Grand Hybrid, or the one used by Studiologic Numa X Piano GT. Yamaha does use a wooden key... just not what we really think and expect as "wooden key".
By "wooden inserts" on the sides of the keys, I mean two thin stripes of wood veneer on the white plastic keys, which is what Roland does in their PHA-50. Yamaha uses an actual piece of solid wood in the white keys, but it does not extend to the entire key, it is about 70% of the key...
@@Instrumental-Covers Very well explained! I believe you know them better than me. Thanks for sharing the information.
@@justinzhao9831 Thank you for your comments! I had forgotten about this post, so your feedback was very useful to improve the original comment.
ROOM ACOUSTICS. Overlooked topic in piano sales. One aspect that makes a grand IMHO the best choice if one is looking for the ultimate in piano sound production. Just as there are ideal locations in any room to place a HiFi speaker there are for a piano. You cannot (or are unlikely to) put an upright in the middle or the room or 3 feet rom a wall. As you could a grand. Given you are single.
Hybrids. Can do so much more. More suited for homes. Families. But do have tradeoffs acoustically...which might be important to some. Looking for the ultimate in sound quality. Though, I'm sure the quality of an upright hybrid placed against a wall will still be more than acceptable. Can be more easily moved out of "null" spaces in a room which takes away sound..on the other hand no one says you can't place an upright 2 feet from a wall..
Today I had the opportunity to test the Casio Gp310, I was pleasantly surprised, the choice between the three is difficult
You should have tried the CASIO HYBRID GP 510, its hammer action is superior in sensitivity to any digital piano and even some acoustics.
Between Casio GP 310 and Yamaha clp 775, which one is better?
I didn't play the GP 310, but after trying the GP 510 and CA 79, I have to say that the GP 510 has such an incredible action. The only digital that I have tried and would put above it would have to be the Kawai NV10 (I am partial to grand piano actions, so take note of that). I really liked the Hamburg grand (Steinway?) on the Casio, but I liked how the CA 79 sounded better than the GP 510, but the way the keys felt as they bottomed out on the CA79 was a total deal breaker for me. The CA79 felt great on the way down (not totally like a real grand, but very close), but at the bottom it feel very wrong to me. The NV10 was perfect, but of course it was since it uses the actual Kawai grand piano action (the speakers didn't sound quite right though. I thought the GP 510 sounded a bit better on the speakers (worse in headphones), but I hear they improved that on the NV10S). I tried a bunch of similarly priced digitals by Roland and Yamaha, but was also not impressed by the actions. They just didn't feel like a grand, where the GP 510 really feels VERY close (grand feel III on the CA79 felt pretty good, but not quite right). I didn't really like the Berlin or Vienna grand sounds on the Casio nearly as much though. They were fine, but the Hamburg felt quite good in person.
So TLDR:
I didn't try the exact pianos from this video, but I did try the slightly higher tier digitals.
Casio GP 510 was AMAZING, particularly the action and the Hamburg grand sound.
CA 79 action was great (much better than the Rolands or Yamahas I tried, but if you're not looking for the feel of a grand, you might have a different opinion), it sounded incredible for a digital, but the bottom of the action just didn't feel right.
I wasn't impressed by the Yamahas and Rolands that I encountered, but the store I went to (not a Bonners store) didn't have that many Yamahas so I may just not have tried the good ones.
Thanks for the summary of your experience with the digital/hybrid piano. I think the Casio GP510 could be the best option for a serious piano student who want to practice with the "real grand" action (but can compromise with the sound) without having to get the real one, since the price is the most resonable among the high-end hybrid piano.
I would prefer the clarity and presence of the Casio Piano sound, but they're all "grand".
go and play it... it isn't, can't hear it compared to the other two.
What is the music played at 2:18?
Darude sandstorm
Yamaha action is on the light side and it is basically a plastic action with wood inserts. Kawai and Casio keysticks are made of solid wood at full length. Casio is longest and it probably provides more control. Sound wise I think Kawai is the most accoustic like, mixing more ambience into its samples. But the round goes to Casio IMHO for its clarity. It is very subjective and so everyone can have his opinion. If you go by headphones most of the time Yamaha might be the best because of its bi-aural samples which are sampled from the player's perspective. Yamaha also has the most connection capabilities, Casio the least
@Sina Nazari It is important you play it before you buy, 735/745 are pretty light and fast. As you may know, the so-called escapement in a DP is just a notch in the action to similate the acoustic action feel. IMHO it is something a DP can do without. If you are used to playing acoustic you might want to try out NU1X, the escapement is almost real, and the price is in the same leaque as the more expensive DP on the list
@@samwang5831 upright actions barely have escapement as well eg NU1X.
Very noticeable in grand actions, so as to double repeat faster, completely different mechanism.
All of these digital piano actions are fast, compared to uprights.
Yamaha's connection capabilities are the same as the Kawai.
Except the Kawai has more sounds(44) and more drum beats(100).
Kawai also has Spatial Headphone Sound (SHS) three different acoustic presets that adjust the spatial positioning of the sound.
FORWARD Front focused.. somewhat narrow spatial positioning.
Normal.. (default) Naturally balanced spatial positioning that is neither forward nor wide.
WIDE.. very open spatial positioning.
It also has headphone type selections as well..
Normal.. (default) Disables headphone optimisation.
Open.. Optimises the sound for open type headphones.
Semi-open.. Optimises the sound for semi-open type headphones.
Closed.. Optimises the sound for closed type headphones.
Inner-ear.. Optimises the sound for inner-ear type headphones.
Canal.. Optimises the sound for canal-type headphones
So in real life when you are in front of the piano you can set the headphones how you like.
I don't believe the head phone placement effect on the Yamaha or the Kawai will come through a youtube video!
The headphone jacks on the pianos have there own dedicated special separate amplifiers that create the placement effect as though you are sitting in front of the piano.
They have both put a lot of work into this feature and I think you would have to try them both out in real life to try all the different settings on both. To see which you like, every ones ears are different.
The GrandTouch-S and GrandTouch use solid wood for the white keys. The picture displayed with wooden inserts corresponds to the Roland pianos with the PHA-50 action. That picture is shown in the Roland's website. Yamaha specifically clarifies that the white keys are made of solid wood. The black keys are synthetic ebony. The surface material of the white keys is synthetic ivory. Yamaha states, "GrandTouch-S keyboard of the CLP-745 features wooden keys that showcase Yamaha’s expertise with wood for pianos. Just as with grand piano keyboards, the solid wood is cut from the very best parts of well-dried lumber." On the other hand, Roland has been making that action shown with the "?" sign for a few years now, and they state in their website, "You’ll also appreciate the blend of artisan tradition and cutting-edge technology-sleek wooden sides give each white key a familiar feel". So, to summarize: Yamaha does NOT use wooden inserts on the sides in any of their digital pianos. That is the Roland PHA-50 action.
Do I buy the kawai... which would you choose
This is a great review!
The strong point of Clp745 is that it has the sound of Boesendorfer, which is very nice.
Ge310 sounds a bit digital in the higher range.
Ca59 has the most piano-like sound.
No
@@AS01SDN yes
@@Hblanyard86 Hi Dan, having played the clp-745 in person, I was VERY shocked at the audible digital hiss I could hear. The clp-735 had it, but only very slightly because of the speakers underneath. The 745 with its forward firing "tweeters" made that very audible. And once you hear it its hard to unhear.
the CLP 600 range sounded better - not sure why or how its just does.
They keys on the CLP 745 were very nice however, but with a hard keybed on the bottom. Close enough to an acoustic upright.
The 59 keys feel much more natural and with a bit softer keybed, more like an actual piano.
If you can find a 59 go for it. Personally, I settled on a Ca49 and not looking back.
@@tonyfahme1786 You should have tried the CASIO HYBRID GP 510, its hammer action is superior in sensitivity to any digital piano and even some acoustics.
@@AS01SDN could be. I dont like the piano sounds Ive heard online of the casio. A bit more strident, I like the more mellow piano soud.
Truth be told, I am blown away by the hp704. It is a step above the yamahas and kawais in the price range - especially the pha50 action. So solid.
I think all of them are amazing! It's our choice guys. What do you prefer?
I bought the 775 from Yamaha
Hey I hope you reply, do you feel much of a difference in clp 745 and 775 in the action?
Tony says 745 has grandtouch s has a feel of a 5 feet baby grand piano and 775 has grandtouch that has a feel of a concert grand of 9 feet, he says the length differs from the inside. I want a nice feel and I am doing a grade 5 now so do you think there was a difference in their action?
I can't try them all as in my country there's shortage of this stuff. Just tell me the above, tysm
@@faneeshmunjal3308 hey munjal,
I didn't try the 745, but I played the cfx grand and the 775 and in my opinion the touch feeling was nearly the same. I bought the 775 and I am really glad about this. The sound quality is amazing. The touch is amazing! And there are a lot of functions that I need to learn now! I definitely recommend this piano!!!! it's more expensive than the 745, but ask you the question: how often do you by a piano? 😉
Well I started on a 3 octave keyboard that was my father's old piano
I learnt more and got a 5 octave Casio keyboard now I cleared grade 3 and my brother grade 4, so we need a nice piano with nice sound quality and touch action, that's all we want.
So we have 2 options
1 buy a ydp 164 now and after grade 6 buy a REALLY EPIC piano (most probably a good up right )
2 buy a nice digital piano now and the after grade 8 or so buy a REALLY EPIC piano ( or not cause I won't need it unless I go into professional music )
But the country I live in has very less support for expensive instruments and that means that if a buy a acustic up right piano I would have a lot of trouble in buying it, servicing and tuning etc so I thought that the 1st option would be good for me
I have played an up right piano in my piano academy and I know it's very nice
So yeah that was that
Expect me creating grade 6 in 4 years and grade 8 in 7 years
@@faneeshmunjal3308 were are you from?
India
I have a Kawai acoustic baby grand purchased new about 18 years ago. It’s the finest small grand piano I’ve ever played with the best keyboard action I’ve ever encountered. I’m looking for as close to a acoustic touch as I can find. All these pianos sound good and have nice cabinets but it’s the key action feel that’s important. Your video indicates the Casio might be best with the Kawai a close second and the Yamaha coming in 3rd and not very close to the other two. Am I correct in my assumption?
what is the best piano setting you recommend ? for CLP 745
Grand piano
Why color is that Yamaha 745?
Does Casio has any other piano that comes with this keys? More portable
Does the Casio GP310 have a fallboard/keylid?
Yes it has😊
@@zhiyuwang6992 LOL thanks. I had kind of noticed in the two months since I bought it. :)
Could you compare CLP 745 with Roland lx 705
The Yamaha is much better
@@brianbernstein3826 no. You should have tried the CASIO HYBRID GP 510, its hammer action is superior in sensitivity to any digital piano and even some acoustics.
How do these three pianos compare to the Roland HP 704?
The hp 704 with it's pha 50 has for me the best action than all 3 pianos from the video. Also it's sound card is old and better than the new roland sound card. Stay with hp 704 for the price value
The Roland's have the same actions as Yamahas: a small plastic (sometimes with wood) key, which is nothing like the full wooden key. Trust me you can feel the difference. Go with the Casio (or Kawai) if action is the most important part for you.
the casio costs 1000$more than the 704. Its a alternative for beginners to these expensive pianos like casio gp310 and rolands lx series
@@andreinitu_ro thank you so much
I did not like PHA50 at all. I much prefer NWX (P-515). Kawai GrandFeel Compact action is very bouncy and light.
A comparison of the CLP 745 an CA 49 would be much appreciated. Although they are in different price ranges, they are the first in their series to have wooden keys and grand touch/feel action.
which one do you choose?
@@user-br8iw7zs9b I ended up choosing the Kawai CA49. I liked the action on the CA49. The 745's action seemed to light to me.
@@crowboy97 have you had the chance to compare the speakers please ?
@Brandon Bongard I want to buy the CA49. Do you think that has enough "hard" keyboard for classical pieces? I don't have the chance to test it and I cant aford the Casio.. (now I have Yamaha but seems light for me)
CA49 has very light (only 46g to move middle C) and bouncy keys (white keys oscillate when coming back up).
うーーーん。どれも良い感じですね。でも、個人的にはヤマハかな？❤ CLPシリーズを買いたいです。私は幼稚園の時カワイ音楽教室に行きました。それから20歳でヤマハのエレクトーンを少し楽しみました。老後の楽しみに電子ピアノを買おうかと思います。電子ピアノも進んだものね。CASIOなんて最初は電子計算機とか腕時計からですもん。電子ピアノは夜中でもヘッドホンで練習出来るし騒音や近所迷惑にならないところも魅力ね。😊
Do these types of digital piano mechanism have LEAD parts or as counterweights?
I hope the Lead has been eliminated because it is toxic.
In real wooden pianos (it seems to me more in the grand ones and less in the vertical ones, where perhaps they are not on the sides but more in depth) I have seen that on the sides the keys are full of these Lead button disc counterweights.
What can You tell me if there are Leads?
And which brands have banned it?
Thank You.
I got to try the kawai cn29 and the CLP735. The yamaha's action feels waay too 'bouncy' or 'blobby' for me in comparison to an upright. The Kawai on the other hand is very close to their grand which I got to try too. Soo, im going for the kawai!
Note that the CN39 has a way better sound. And yes, I liked the action..
Kawai GrandFeel Compact action is very bouncy
I had the opportunity to test all 3. Let me tell you my impressions:
- I had till 2 months ago a Roland LX 705. Unfortunatelly the sound card of the last LX series is not so good and has some problems.
- Casio sounds better than all three, but i didn't liked the touch
- Kawai key are moving a little bit strange from left to right.
- I bought on 1st of Sept the clp 745(without testing it) , and I dare say that the sound is not as good as casio but the touch is better than casio and kawai.
- also for me, the roland touch is the best, but its sound is the worse of the pianos
If I would not have the clp 745, i would take the gewa UP 400.
@Chamb Gabi The Berlin sound I likeed very much
I have the Casio GP-500 and like the Bechstein using the Debussy scene mode. Using headphones it is extremely close to an acoustic Bechstein sound and the action is very close to the Bechsteins I grew up playing. The other two piano sounds are mediocre, IMO. I studied at the Mozarteum, which had many Bechsteins, they were practice pianos and were played pretty hard. I am VERY satisfied with the Casio. I have never liked the Yamaha and Kawai sound. Yamaha plays loud and soft but it's almost impossible to create different tones. I'm not as experienced with many Kawai grands to give a fair assessment. I've been playing for over 50 years and love playing via headphones and not disturbing other people in the house. I like to play late at night. I also have an acoustic grand in the house and will say again that the Casio, through headphones, is pretty close in sound and definitely in action.
@@c3piano of course, the gp-500 or gp-510 are top, but we talk here about middle range, not about top range
@@andreinitu_ro you may be interested to know that the GP-310 and GP-510 share the same core piano sounds (the GP-510 has extra duplex scaling resonance) and key action. I think the GP-510 is the ultimate, but my GP-310 comes very close.
Even though modeled sound may not be perfect, I still think that it's a shame that in 2020 you get the ugly loop on bass notes. I hope next iteration of sampled pianos would follow Dexibell and offer 15 seconds samples. Kudos to Tony for this comparison.
On my iPad’s small loudspeakers the Casio sounds very much like an electric piano, whereas the other two sound far less so.
2:10 yamaha low note
2:33 casio low note
3:06 kawai low note
Q. is it just me or do you also hear crossfade looping on the casio as it sustains near the end?
casio also 9:37
Yeah looping is pretty bad on the casio.
Yeah, Casio loop awful
@@MrC77 no
@@Kougeru You should have tried the CASIO HYBRID GP 510, its hammer action is superior in sensitivity to any digital piano and even some acoustics.
Kawai CA 59 sounds the best and most natural.
Totally agree. The Yamaha sounds unpleasant: too harsh with exaggerated lows. The casio sounds fragile somehow. The Kawai sounds superb...
It also has a far superior wooden keyboard
CA59 feels best too out of these three
I ordered my CA59 this week.. Yey! Let's hope it will come within some weeks.
@Sina Nazari Please don't write such a bullshit here. What do you mean "only has counterweight"? It has the most realistic action in it's class. Wooden keys with hammers on top. Yamaha doesn't have that. "Only counterweight", where did you get that crap?
Too short pieces to compare. Which one would you choose for yourself and why?
Kawai natural best and Yamaha good.
I had the chance to compare the GP310 against the CLP735 and the Casio speaker system is really much, much better. The CLP735 sounded like a "piano though a cellphone handsfree speaker" - no real "piano vibes"... The Casio GP310 really surprised me, found me playing and playing and wanting to continue playing. Downside: all other sounds than Grand Pianos (which are great), I found crappy. Rhodes, etc. did not convince me.
Muy buena comparación de marcas, el modelo de Yamaha se le escucha más lleno, cálido y más imponentemente magistral, aunque kawai denota dulzura.
Me estoy loca se oír opiniones para comprar un piano para mí. Porque los gustos no son los mismos!!! No se puede ni confiar en una reseña porque hay también la cuestión subjetiva!! Ya me dolió mucho la cabeza cuando me puse a pesquisar para saber cuál comprar!! A unos les gustan el sonido más grave, a otros el sonido más brillante. Hay también la cuestión de marcas!! Eso es tan complejo cuanto el próprio hombre!! Para hacer justicia a las reseñas, son buenas para informaciones generales. Pero, es una pena no poder uno responder por el otro. Porque lo que me gusta puede no ser lo que a otro le guste. Es una pena cuando no se hay aceso a los instrumentos que nos interesan para poder oír, sentir las teclas, oír por los altos parlantes... Antes de se efetuar una compra. ¡Cómo quería poder ver y oír a los instrumentos que me gustaron. Pero no lo hay aquí! Tendría que viajar para el otro lado del país donde vivo para poder hacer esto!! Y es bien lejos. Cada marca hizo su mejor. Y ellas están ahí para todos que as quieran! Y eso da trabajo! Son muchos años de pesquisa e inversiones! Nuestra posición como posibles compradores es muy cómoda. Pero, cómo voy a sacar piedras en las que no me gustan? No son todos...pero tengo lido algunos a hacer esto! Perdoname lo tanto que escribí y también lo que escribí. Ya hace meses que miro, que leo...que escucho... Ya me decidí y cambié de idea muchas veces.
Cuando empecé a pesquisar allé que podría comprar un piano para mí oyendo lo que hablan e através de las opiniones de quién entiende. Pero no fue así... Seria bueno se fuese, cómo hablé arriba, cuando los instrumentos de que gustamos, están tan lejos de nosotros.
i want to know if the 745's action is on bar with a baby grand piano please?
Stephanie may you please tell me how ? Iam thinking about buying it and the 645's action was extremely heavier than grand pianos in the shop so why is the 745 bad please ?
@@mohammedwahdan66 better buy an old/new Yamaha csp170, or nu1x
@@mohammedwahdan66 Try it yourself. People have different opinions on sound and action. Some reviewers prefer the 745's action over the 645's. Actually most seem to but they also may be trying to sell pianos. You have to judge it on your own, as with any type of musical instrument for both sound and feel. When things become favorable to try it, then you can. Wouldn't get it without trying it first, however.
@@benjaminsmith2287 you are totally right i will try it , but iam just an amateur i dont much experience with grand pianos so i wanted someone with more experience to tell me if it is close and to be unbiased. But for sure i will try it before buying it.
@@mohammedwahdan66 The action of the 645 is not that heavy. There are plenty of grand pianos out there with heavier actions. But if a light action is what you prefer, the 745 should suit you. Don't forget to try the other brands as well.
There should be more emphasis on action, faults (such as noise and bounciness). Some criticism would be nice.
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So ..do I buy the kawai.. ???
Which do I choose...
Or a roland 704..
KAWAI
Casio win
You should have tried the CASIO HYBRID GP 510, its hammer action is superior in sensitivity to any digital piano and even some acoustics.
*you cannot compare a normal digital piano like the Yamaha clp 745 with a hybrid piano like the CASIO GP 310*
Каваи немного слаще звук чем у Ямаха, но цена на порядок дороже.
I'm confused which one to buy.... Yamaha CLP 745 or Roland HP 704 or Kawai CA49?
Just bought myself kawai ca49 and i love it. I also tried roland hp 704 but didnt like the action on it
@@viliredsven8227I did not like GrandFeel Compact action at all - too light and bouncy.
Casio uses the bechstein grand sound. Says it on the front gold plate. If anyone is wondering, not a Bosendorfer, or a Steinway.
Not true. The Casio has all three - Bechstein, Steinway and Bosendorfer
Does Casio say that it’s a Steinway or bosendorfer? I only read they use a bechstein.. I may have missed it. The Casio site only says Vienna and hamburger .. cheeseburger . Whatever,
Casio indicate that there are three distinct piano voices. Berlin is almost certainly Bechstein. Which pianos would you suggest the Hamburg and Vienna voices are referring to, if not Steinway or Bosendorfer?
@@bonnersmusic have to admit when I’m wrong, the way they word the pianos was misleading, i guess they can’t use the names of the manufacturers, so they use the place of origin.
First demo: I think Yamaha has quite warm sound, Casio is too harsh for me and Kawai sounds like an upright piano! (I'm used to that kind of sound so I dont think it's a bad thing)
Second demo: Yamaha sounds like a digital piano.. Casio is here again with this a bit unnaturally(?) bright sound. Kawai sound also kind of digital but I like this sound.
*CASIO WIN*
bro ur saying the 2nd demo of yamaha sounds like a digital piano, bro haveu listened to a bosendorfer piano? it does sound similar,but well ,its digital, u can't feel the resonance of it.
Kawai sounds the best in this video.
I've tested all 3 and ended up buying the Casio. Here's some info you might find useful and I wish I had when choosing:
Note: I am an advanced piano player (~Grade 8 ABRSM, playing pieces like the 3rd Movement of Moonlight Sonata by Beethoven). I was upgrading from a £300 keyboard to one I wouldn't need to upgrade again if my technique ever improved. Because of this my priorities and what I'm looking for may be different from what you're looking for.
For me the action is pretty much the only important factor in buying a digital piano and Casio won by a long shot. It's the only hybrid you can buy in this price range (Kawai and Yamaha Hybrids are ~£5000).
I played the Casio side by side with acoustics and couldn't tell the difference, it's that good. It's also the heaviest action of the 3. My music teachers and my friends (one of whom uses an acoustic piano) were all very impressed.
The Yamaha action is really not that great. You can certainly feel the lack of the full length stick. It's also the lightest action of the 3.
The Kawai was good but actually ended up worse than what I thought it would be. The CA49 and 59 both use the grand feel compact key action whereas the CA79 and 99 use the Grand Feel 3 action. The GF3 is very good but the Compact is not so much. You aren't able to do fast repetitions very well on the Kawai.
For me this left only the Casio as the piano I would feel comfortable buying.
Looks wise they're all similar and I really don't think you should let that get in the way of which instrument you choose. Some people are put off by the Casio logo, but I think that's a bit shallow. It certainly does not feel or look cheap. Maybe search up the history of Casio on RUclips and you might respect them more.
Sound wise they're all amazing. However, I'm not sure about the other pianos when it comes to this, but on the Casio speakers pretty much only the Berlin Grands (the Bechstein) sound good. When recording in software the other sounds are great, but when using the built in speakers for practice, only the Berlin Grand sounds good. For some reason the Hamburg and Vienna sound muffled. Still useable and you can get used to it after a minute or two, but the Berlin has a clarity to it which the others don't. Probably due to the piano being built in collaboration with Bechstein, I don't know. I don't think this should be a deal breaker for anyone though, since the main piano sounds amazing. Additionally, the Casio also has a host of other sounds like the Harpsichord, Strings, Vibraphone, etc. which weren't covered in the video.
In conclusion, if you care about the action, go for the Casio. Definitely don't go for the Yamaha, and you'll probably be fine most of the time with the Kawai, but the Casio is still better. If speaker sounds are your highest priority, probably don't go for the Casio, but if you're going to be recording, the Casio has the Bechstein, Steinway and Bösendorfer so it may be the best.
Hi! I'm facing the same dilemma you faced. Would you prefer the casio or a vertical piano of the same price range? I'm looking into buying one of the two alternatives but I live with other people, so the casio would give me the advantage to play with headphones at night (a vertical piano with a silent system is out of my price range), and also it's very light in comparison with a real piano. On the other hand, the vertical piano is, well, a real piano. Hope you can reply! I'm not as advanced as you (I think I'm abrsm 6-7ish), but your feedback would be very useful. Thanks in advance.
i think casio is the worst, it has tiny sound and bass notes are terrible, not clear.
Casio needs to make a handwritten more classic logo, perhaps people are offput by the low end calculator it gives as a brand, but remember: Yamaha also has cheap gear. Kawai might have the best brand image but it's good pianos are 5k and above, GP310 will likely be my buy.
Yes agree can't hear the casio it's not loud enough. The other two blow it away.
I think the Kawai is the best all rounder has a lot better speakers and the action has excellent expression control.
@@pymebones hey, super sorry for the last response, I didn't get the notification for your reply unfortunately.
For me one of the major restrictions was space, and an upright piano was simply too big for me.
Another thing to consider, is that the Casio and these hybrid pianos are trying to emulate a grand piano, not an upright. I recently found out I play better on a grand piano than an upright. Up to you to decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Last thing I would say from personal experience (of around 10 old uprights I've come across), is that cheap uprights are not that great to play on, especially after a few years. The keys are worn, the wear to the keybed means they're all at different heights, the action is uneven, keys can stick, overall not a nice experience. This has just been my experience though, it could be different for you.
Overall I would suggest a hybrid, it's closer to a grand piano action than uprights, it's smaller, requires much less maintenance, there's volume control, headphones, etc.
Once again sorry for missing your comment. You've probably bought a piano by now, so let me know what you chose!
I go with yamaha sound
Casio wins here, is the best balanced
Too little music to see difference
Casio bass notes sound tone off..
Who is best
Maybe there is no best. It's all opinion and preferences.
Kawai better sound quality and ton
The Casio Celviano GP 310 The best
Nothing to choose from t'other.
Yamaha - 2900 USD
Kawai - 3100 USD
Casio - 4200 USD
yamaha is the best anyway
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No Bluetooth is a no buy in these days... So sad!
*For a professional pianist, Bluetooth is useless, since the signal that arrives when transmitting has a lot of delay and makes advanced techniques difficult.*
@@AS01SDN Bullshit.
Хоть один обзорщик цифровых пианино, хоть раз в жизни, может сыграть что-нибудь не в мажоре? Что ни обзор - то до-мажор. Это всеобщий заговор?
Пальцы до чёрных клавиш не дотягиваются? Да и попасть по ним труднее.
Pricewise, they're not in the same category even if they have similar places in their own brand line-up. Here in Turkey, the Yamaha CLP745 is TRY 43K, CLP735 is TRY 33K, Kawai CA59 is 26K, CA79 is 31K, the flagship CA99 being 37K. Roland LX706 is also TRY 37K. So, it's a no-brainer here, only the idiots go for the Yamaha as it's the only musical instrument brand they've ever heard of.
I'm actually very happy the pricing is this way and not the other way around as I like the sound and action of Kawai a lot more. Considering the average income is only about TRY 60K in Turkey, it's a very very big investment unfortunately.
Kawai's better anyway
Well here in Israel kawaii CA 59 almost 14k Yamaha Clp 745 almost 12k so it's different from county to country and btw kawaii hard to find but it's possible I'll probably go for Yamaha
Yamaha'yı aptalların tercih ettiğini de nereden çıkardın. Farklı tuşeler farklı tercihler olması enstrümanda beklenen bir şeydir. Ben kawainin tuşesini hiç beğenmiyorum parmakların altında sürekli zıplayıp duran tuşlar hoşuma gitmiyor.
Listening to the video through Sennheiser headphones, Yamaha is the clear winner.
Through quality headphones, Yamaha's tend to impress.
Have to agree--people are saying the Kawai sounds more like a piano, but the sound pales to the Yamaha when listening with my Sony XM4 headphones
*No. CASIO hybrid GP 310/510 is superior to Yamaha in terms of touch (sound is user preference) I have tried both at a local store, but it is normal for people to envy and criticize Casio*
I think Yamaha is the best one
You should have tried the CASIO HYBRID GP 510, its hammer action is superior in sensitivity to any digital piano and even some acoustics.
@@AS01SDN sei solo un propagante casio secondo me.... evita ripetizioni inutili... kawai è migliore per suono, tocco, controllo, qualità ecc...
Yamaha - very Disney
Kawai - classy and nice
Casio - lol
CASIO hybrid GP 510 is superior to Yamaha/Kawai in terms of touch (sound is user preference) I have tried both at a local store, but it is normal for people to envy and criticize Casio
*CASIO's Hamburg piano sounds more realistic than any other hybrid piano*
The Kawai all the way. So much better than the others
CASIO hybrid GP 510 is superior to Kawai in terms of touch (sound is user preference) I have tried both at a local store, but it is normal for people to envy and criticize Casio. You should have tried the CASIO HYBRID GP 510, its hammer action is superior in sensitivity to any digital piano and even some acoustics.
@@AS01SDN No way. And: no one "envys" Casio. No one.
Nothing like acustic pianos
Very smart comment.
@@narsil8756 thanks Narsil, I love acustics and old Pianos Sounds
*CASIO WIN !!!* 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
not actually
@@pplayer1714 Yes, really, because it's a hybrid of 6 speakers and real tail piano wooden keys 👌 no piano presented in this video can beat you
Great! Casio sound Is terrible