Sondors Metacycle Range Test - Will it Last?
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Thanks for this range test. I too highly considered the Metacycle until the real world tests came out. Decided to wait for the Ryvid Anthem, but then the Fuell Fllow is also showing promise with a claimed 150mile range.
I will gladly pay $10k for 150mile range on the Fllow, but not $20k as the Zero E-Motos are commanding for thes same 150 mile range.
Same thoughts. I had preordered the metacycle but cancelled when more details were revealed showing that they removed features. I'm now holding out for the Fllow and placed a preorder. Erik Buell has made and raced performance motorcycles for decades, so the level of experience he brings to the table gives me more confidence that everything about that motorcycle will be well engineered and manufactured, no cheap or poor designed components (their e-bike is crazy expensive, but absolutely well designed and solid). The fact that it will have more storage than a typical scooter, but the acceleration of a super bike makes it a no brainier for someone who wants to actually have fun driving to work everyday. $10,000 is pretty typical price for a good new motorcycle so it's not priced into absurdity like Zero and I will pay the extra money to have a motorcycle that is really highway capable and carefully crafted instead of the cheaper metacycle.
worst ebike ever never trust chinese made products
Zero and energica have been out for years now.. for some small company or even big company (unless it’s tesla) to come out and surpass them seems a bit of hopeful thinking. These companies are years ahead and they aren’t breaking any records.. you should probably save a bit and get a used zero. Or wait years for some company to come short on a concept.
Unfortunately, the Metacycle has never lived up to hype. The actual bike will cut out unexpectedly in sport mode leaving you dangerously speed limited to 60 mph on the freeway. The 20 mile range is a joke at highway speeds and there is no service and support from Sondors. Bottom line, avoid this bike - there are better options available.
Great review as I am reviewing possible options for an E-Motorcycle for Spring 2023. I have to have at least 65 miles per hour regular speed in this area of Kansas between work and home --approximately 40 miles one way. Thanks for all you do on both this channel and the Tesla Times News channel. Keep up the great work. I really do enjoy the product that you and your team put out week after week.
Thank you guys for honest review..!!
Good Video! Sondors exceeded my expectations as they always do with their ebikes. I've got almost 1000 miles on mine and I think I will probably be the 1st to get there. I commute about 10 miles on the freeway with another 3 miles of surface streets. There is no funner and cheaper way to do it. I am saving about $300 a month in fuel. However, The seat took about 3-4 days of riding to get used to it now I could ride all day. The thing about Metacycle is just like their 1st ebike, It started out 350 Watt 36 Volt 8.8AH Battery. It only took a couple years to go from that to 48 Volt 750 watts 17.5AH battery (Doubled the size in a couple years ) This Metacycle is capable of so much more than the way it is configured now and that is what helps make it so desirable for me. By the time some of the competitors bikes finally hit the market, Metacycle will have surpassed them by far. And the battery? The battery takes 2 min to swap that's pretty "Hot" There is an adapter coming for faster charging amongst a whole bunch of other cool accessories. There will most likely be a retrofit for faster easier battery swapping and hopefully a new seat. I priced having mine customized wider and fluffier in the middle $950.
Fully agree about your future outlook, but Sondors better not go bankrupt in the mean time before all these extra accessories and battery upgrade options have a chance to be released!
Sondors is a scam and I'm suing them. No bike, no money returned, not picking up the phone, won't respond to emails. BUYER BEWARE!
Thanks for the quick review guys! Def helped sway me away from pulling the trigger. Need hwy speeds, level 2 and about 80 miles at that. Maybe meta2 or that better designed 3rd party battery
Still waiting on mine here in DC but having second thoughts. Your video was very informative, and I look forward to more content. And like you guys I've been waiting since mid 2021
You won’t have 2nd place bought s after receiving your Metacycle. This thing is a total blast
I feel guilty. I just bought one and I will have it in one week. Brand new, sealed in factory plastic.
Great information thank you
obrigado pelo vídeo! estava pesquisando para comprar aqui no Brasil.
I just bought one and love it. It’s a 50/50 bike…50 mph for a 50 mile range. I get this result consistently. And at 7000 dollars they’re giving them away. That’s chump change. You want more serious parameters plan on spending 25,000 plus 3000 for the charging station installed in your garage. I had Corbin make me a custom seat. A good helmet is 1000 dollars so 7K for this great “about town” ride is great. I have 2 e-bike bicycles and each one cost way more than the Metacycle.
Saw one on the road “Oceanside NY” yesterday, White MetaCycle … oh boy.. is it beautiful! I was the one of the first Sondor ebike owners… never thought Sondor would be able to pull off the MetaCycle! Thanks for a Great Review
Thank you for this video , I fell in love with it's look , but after this no way especially I live in UK so thats extra shipping !
great video, I dont have my motorcycle license either but I have always wanted a motorcycle and now that we have Metacycles I def want one. this was one of the ebikes that I was looking at when it was first announced. I stay in the Brockton area, I have been looking for a route to do for a group ride. Would like to collab on that if possible in the future, but again, great video cant wait for the next one.
30 miles, with 2 white bars left,is what I got today
RIP Sondors Metacycle. What's bizarre is that they left that large open space on the bike and no way to put an extra battery in there for double the range! Too late now though.
I am scheduled to receive my Metacycle in about 9-hours from now. Received a call from a gal who is driving the semi and is to arrive at my home around 9:30a today. I’m happy to finally receive it but disappointed in the numbers you report. But for my $5K (and shipping cost) I think it is was a good deal. I mean, my Sondors LX was $3K. I think the worst part so far has been the wait, which thankfully is about over.
So how is it? Does it ride well?
@@mcraven747 It does ride well and is a blast to ride. Sport mode does give you the extra boost in speed and I’ve had it up to 73-75 mph, which is crazy fast for no bigger and heavier than the Metacycle is. Everything just works as it should. The plastic door to the phone compartment could have been sturdier as it has quite a bit of play to the left and right once opened. It does charge my iPhone 13 Pro Max as advertised. That said, that iPhone is as large as the compartment will allow. In fact I have to remove my thin protective case for it to fit. But yes, the bike itself is solid and rides like a dream!
Great video guys! The in-depth review by Ethan was by far the best and most honest review I’ve seen on this product anywhere in RUclips (and completely turned me away from considering purchasing). Was wondering if you guys know of or are considering purchasing a Ryvid Anthem. In my opinion, it’s the direct competitor to the Metacycle, but actually aims to meet and exceed the promises this bike fell short on. Don’t know if you guys are in the position to also purchase the Anthem, but a head to head comparison video from a channel with such transparency and honesty would be amazing. Keep up the great work guys! 👍🏽
Agree, the Metacycle is just a baby step above an e-pedal bike or moped...sadly. I was also considering the Ryvid Anthem, but now highly considering the r/FuellFllow e-Moto. It's looking promising with claimed specs.
@@indetrucks I’ve seen some coverage for
the bike you’re talking about. Looks awesome and the specs are promising. But you’re bumping up the price point by another $3,000+ for a much more capable bike with more range. I ended up, pulling the trigger to be a lunch addition adopter of the Ryvid Anthem and for my use case, it’s at the right price point for a daily commuter and swappable batteries. Been actually considering posting some videos once I take delivery. But this is an awesome and exciting EV space that is growing very quickly. Hopefully competing brands keep trending in the right direction.😬🤞🏽
Great video. Would you consider doing a video on returning the original aesthetics to the bike? What it would take to make it look the way I originally did…
what about moify, are they able to be modifieable in the future with new things, ? like change the wheels seat or the handle bars maybe light or side page for a passenger.?
Subscribed because you're in Massachusetts!
I don't have an electric vehicle, and I've never used the power grid, however is it possible for SONDOR to include an adapter so you can use it at the charging stations? Level charging is specific to the ability of the battery or the connector?
Corbin makes a custom wider/better seat for the metacycle. I think it runs about $360ish. You pick material/stitching. It’s pretty nice.
Still excited to get mine, I have a delivery window of Jan 11 to Feb 11! The range is disappointing but I hold out hope that Sondors or a 3rd party will come out with either a lvl 2 adapter or extended range battery for the tank void hopefully both. That would really open up the possibilities for this bike. I may even try to come up with something myself because all components are pretty much off the shelf, easily accessible, and modifiable if you have the skills.
Sondors is by far the most unscrupulous company I've ever worked with. Everything is a lie. I've seen people who ordered after get their bike before. They have promised everything and delivered nothing. Unpainted aluminum frame, burn, 200lbs, burn, 80mph, burn, 80mi range, burn, easy swap battery, burn, level 2 charging, burn, ABS breaks, burn, rechargeable breaking, burn, even the burns have burns, like 3rd degree burns. Freddy Krugar couldn't handle the burns. The nightmare that is sondors is the battery dying 29.5 miles into your ride, while it putters out on Elm St.
you get the bike yet
Nope. They won't even answer my emails. I even respond to their solicitations. It's really frustrating being sold other products when I haven't even got the first one.
9:16
Why couldn't you agree with him? He was 100% right, so there's need to have a separate video on another day.
Real good info guys! Can't wait for mine to come!
Anyone around here from EUROPE, do we know if they started shipping these here as well?
Is the charger waterproof? Where I live I would have to charge/store it outside.
I'm glad I canceled my reservation for this. I will look into huck cycle or others. Much better it seems.
I’m from Florida. Do you have to register this to ride on the streets
Holy crap, when ya showed an electric motorcycle, you showed my exact bike ! My only vehicle is a '17 Zero FXS ! 🤓
Smaller, legal, nicer aftermarket turn signals are fairly inexpensive and easy to replace. Would also be a good vid
I would love something like this as a commuter, but the thing is I already have a Honda PCX which is cheaper, can go 70 mph, has a huge dealer/parts network, has lockable underseat storage, has a far more comfortable seat based on the reviews of the metacycle, and has that amazing Honda build quality. It would be neat to go electric, but that is a huge amount of downsides and just look at that phone compartment, it seems incredibly flimsy, much less the already broken turn signal.
I had better hopes for that one but the range issue coupled with the apparent lack of battery regeration option makes for an endline letdown of sorts.. The price and the looks still are top notch though as I could spot a bunch of more expensive vehicles in the e-bikes category on the market.
My commute is 38km each way, and speed limits between 60-80kph. I think this is a no go then.
I would have bought a Metacycle had they been readily available. The cost is the most attractive thing about them. Even at $6500. I spent 2x this on a Zero S and the cost of the Zero is the only complaint I have about it. The 0 - 60 in 3.5 seconds makes the Zero incredibly fun to ride.
When Podbike or Iris eTrike? Need all weather solution.
I like the look, it's very sporty. But, I don't like quite motorized bikes. It needs some kind of sound system!! Thank you!! Mic'2023
Hello Zack and Jesse
Will you do a review on the Landmoto District as a comparison to the Metacycle?
Your current Metacycle range review talks about all the things that Landmoto is currently doing and have plans to do.
From further research on the product and company, I have asked them the most important questions that will interest you.
1)Will the district in the future? ever charge from EV charging stations
2)Will there be a re-gen setting for the district?
This is the response:
1)We will offer an adapter in the future, but why go to a charging station when you can charge from any standard outlet?
2) Yes, we will enable it in the future.
Do you think that this would be an interesting review?
Why can't you pull the extra battery on a small bike trailer? Would pulling a trailer cut range?
So my commute to work is 20.7 miles exactly. It's all highway with speeds of 40 to 55mph. Would this bike be able to handle that? I'd be able to charge at work for the ride back home. I'd love to know before pulling the trigger.
Definitely especially if you can charge at work, you could probably get there and back on a full charge even without charging at work, but for battery health I would top up charge a little.
What about the range at 15-20 mph on the greenways.....what kind of max range?
The solid aluminum frame was only necessary for battery swapping, a trellis frame would shave weight.
Thanks for the information, considerably less range than expected. Feel like it was oversold, I made another mistake.😠
Haha, juat as expected. I'll take the Ray7.7, which deliveres
Just what I figure from the meta cycle. Say $3,000 they will have a winner. Need to add lighter swappable Battery pack, level 2 charging to make it into this electrified world. Besides that the meta cycle has a unique artistic style to the frame.
Thanks for buying and for the great review process. Every video getting better as it goes.
When is the TeslaSemi truck coming to your front door fellas?
Hey guys, if I correct you guys live in Ontario. How did you receive this Metacycle?
I live in Montreal and fully paid (5700$) including 700$shipping order #6xx February 2021.
They can not ship to Canada just yet, so wondering how have you gotten this delivery?
Makes no sense to me, they are giving me the run around yet they are now delivering to second rounders with order #'s beyond 4000.
Im so frustrating... also upon reading IPO statement, it seems they aren't even allowed to sell them in Canada as they do not have their licensing to sell them.
This is all ridiculous that Sondors should of know that already.
Again wondering did you take delivery in Ontario?
I just got mine yesterday,,it will be well worth the wait
I’m in pa and I just got it I know mine wasn’t meant to go far or fast for that I have a gas bike, I think I’ll be ok with the 30 miles go around town kind of thing, price can be beat $5k cool video
I just got mine yesterday and this thing is a blast,my Supervisor test rode mine and she is ordering one
Guys, you guys need to visit powerful lithium in New Jersey. Those guys make awesome awesome, Batteries custom made to fit your bike
Nice video. I don`t have any motorycle or e-bike lol I live on the island Martha`s Vineyard is easy 10-20 miles in 95 metres. I want a motorcycle/e-bike for work or visit friends/family, something.
The main reason I bought it was because of the removable battery. I don't think I would have ordered it other wise. I should get mine soon but well see.
Can you guys review the rumble v4
I just got my charger.how much is an extra battery.This is the most Informational, yet,in Range Videos!!!.Can someone now direct us,to the Mod Guy, who will Solder Us some batteries for that Void Cubbyhole
It's funny...most of the comments on this video are thumbs down to the Metacycle...but if you go to another video it's 100s of pro-metacycle comments becuase of the tone of each video. Why people think 6 or 7000 dollars is "too much for what you get" is just so weird to me. Look, the Metatcycle, rode on surface streets at and average of 45 miles per hours will give you 50 miles on a single charge. For me, 30 miles is a ridiculously long ride. I live in a waterfront resort town, once mile from the center...the entire town is probably 3 square miles (super nice tourist destination on the Chesapeake Bay) so this thing is prefect for me. I have a very slight build (145 lbs.) and this bike is nimble, light, easy to park in my tiny garage, I didn't need to install a 3000 dollar charging station. I have a bicycle carrier that it fits on (yup, a bicycle carrier...the kind that goes into a tow hitch) and I take it to the beach when we go so I can have it there, or any where. This video is good. But it's pretty negative, hence all the negative comments. I will say this...go to the Metacycle Facebook Page or other RUclips videos where people own these and you'll see nothing but love. Just saying. And BTW, I get 50/50 all the time when I try to max out my bike. I can average 45-50 mph for 50 mile range consistently. Perhaps it's my weight? It's definitely not a 'big man's' bike haha.
Range and speed are a tad better than i expected from Sondors because they over hype everything! The cheap plastic is a bit of a worry, lights snapping off that easy is not cool, i kinda wanted one until i saw that but what is this gonna look like in two years if stuff is snapping off in 2 days.
When l was young a small, low powered motorcycle was called a small motorcycle.
Now it's a _metacycle_ because things just change l guess.
Cool test. FYI it’s called riding, not driving when it’s with 2 wheels.
Seems like they have basically remade the Zero XU, at a lower price than it was... I will be able to tell better after I charge my Metacycle that arrived with zero battery power today. I had a 2012 Zero XU before they discontinued that model to focus on the higher end, and way more expensive, models...
I work 4.5 miles from home I could use this as bad as my back is I can’t ride any long distances I’ll look into it more
Hey guys! I'll recover your Sondors seat at no charge. Find us on IG or YT. Thanks!
Thanks for your purchase and review. I always thought they should add an extended battery in the void (space), and either black it out or make it an opaque mirrored shell to reflect light and the surrounding area. Possibly the L2 charger could be shoe-horned in where the phone goes, and place a phone mount on the handlebars. I liked your idea of spring-loaded turn indicators... maybe replace the broken plastic arm with black flex tape over springs to cover them and the wiring... make it a modification of your own! :) regardless.... looks like you-all are enjoying it overall.
I just don’t see how I could make this work, and I’m very open to electric stuff. For the city kind of thing mentioned here, I have an electric unicycle. If I were getting into a more highway kind of mode, I’d need much more than 30 miles of range. At the cost of this, I can’t see why I wouldn’t just buy a gas motorcycle. I’d really need at least 100 miles of freeway or near freeway speed to consider this type of thing and the ability to charge quickly at publicly available stations. I’m not calling around looking to stop off at somebody’s house or hanging out at Starbucks for 4 hours, that’s absurd.
You mention when you ordered the hat you knew the battery was not removable which means you were a second round order as this wasn't revealed for some time. Wonder how you got a bike before those of us who ordered much earlier? I'm starting to agree with those who say influencers are getting theirs ahead of everyone else.
Screw Sondors! Thank God I got my $5700 back.
On the freeway but says only rode on private roads 😂😂😂😂
Missed the mark on specs AND raised the cost $1500?! Lol no thanks.
awwee, the range is disappointing. I thought this could be my commuter. Id get stranded lol.
That phone lid.. mine broke within 30 mins of owning the bike.. so janky.
Corbin makes a replacement seat for $340
I just ordered one. Good comment. The modified seat is worth it weight in gold. No Brainer.
As an owner of two years , of an electric motorcycle, I can tell ya the fault in your test journey. Any battery is always most powerful at fullest charge. Short charging it, depletes far faster. I know this from tested experience, riding long distance. Definitely a commuter bike. Nonetheless, very good review.
It's looking like back to Zero.
Apart from the frame it’s made up of off the shelf parts, the controller can be modified or swapped easily but it’s heavily restricted by not having much space to upgrade the battery capacity. Unfortunately a poorly designed, sold on the hype 125cc equivalent electric bike. Poor use of space within the frame and only a 4kwh battery (3.2kwh usable) even at a generous 12 miles per kWh 38 miles will be the average range.
There are much better 125cc equivalent electric bikes out there for les money too. The omission of level 2 charging could be added by adapting the charger but it would still be at the slow rate of the supplied charger.
what specific alternatives? thanks for the reply.
@@alesreman3458 Horwin CR6, Super Soco do a 125cc electric equivalent that is a similar cafe racer style, lots of electric scooters too. It’s just a shame if didn’t live up to the hype originally promised, the 2 best features they omitted, level 2 charging and a (easily) removable battery.
@@alesreman3458 ….I do still like it though 🙃, it’s a good fit somewhere between a ebike and motorcycle for city or urban riding.
@@alankemp1970 I like the super coco, I would like the cheapest possible homologated motorcycle and add my own battery and controller (tronic 750 or 3shul vesc).
Are these two a couple?
6 reasons... you forgot RUclips clicks.
I am so glad I didn’t buy that bike. My commute to work is 20 miles. I’ll be pushing that thing back home. Very disappointing. They should make a battery pack that goes in that hollow spot above the other battery for redundancy.
Electric bikes need at least 200 mile range with 30 minutes or less to charge or it won't sell like hot cakes.
Great video, 60 miles is simply not enough for any other than city riding, We can do more than that on electric unicycles with about 45mph speed
They don't even do 60 miles. Best they got with eco baby mode was 52miles
Sondors can go on freeway.
@@klamup Yeah but in my experience, fun is not really on the freeway
They hinted at the science holding it all back, 60lbs batteries can only do 60 miles, for a decent 200mile range you need 250lbs of battery vs 40lbs of fuel
Man this was disappointing
NO NO NO!!! I love Now you Know channel and really like the info you provide people... but for this video, everything is wrong. Promoting electronification is something I agree with, promoting low quality, deceptive items is something completely different, and that I STRONGLY oppose. Yes, you did good tests and provided information... but you say "nocked it out of the park with looks, enjoyment, quietness" LOOKS: not a feature, and design probably creates more drag. This is subjective, was the bike built for looks or for use? If built for looks, sacrificing use, then this is a negative. ENJOYMENT: is this simply going fast on 2 wheels? I enjoy riding my ICE motorcycle. Is it enjoyable to be told 80 mile range then 60 mile range then ride and get 30mile range? Other than the quietness, which you listed separately, what is enjoyment... riding back country roads? Any ICE or EV has that. Is the hard seat "enjoyment"? What specific to this bike does a better job creating enjoyment from any other product? QUIETNESS: all electric transportation is more quiet than ICE, so is this something created by the bike design, is this something that this brand designed / developed / implemented with riders in mind....NO. This is like saying you should like the stability of 4 wheel vehicles as having 4 wheels is a feature! Complete nonsense. This brand promoted 1 thing, then sold another, and doesn't even live up to that. No level 2 charging with range this bad, low quality parts that are easily broken, the #1 most viewed and used component the phone space is terrible quality..... yet I hear.. nocked it out of the park... fun... for urban around town commuting... WHAT motorcycle is not good for that? It is is like you made up compliments to have the pros and cons columns have the same amount of items in each, which does a disservice to people and to electrification. When a product does not live up to what is supposed to be, make it clear, make it loud, let all know of other better options available. Really and truly disappointed with the end of your review. Some are biased to ICE, some are biased to electric, why not be objective and honest... is this a good bike, or even good value.... NO.
I get better range on my onyx lol
Pretty expensive! You need a 40,000 truck to haul a 7,000 dollar bike. No thanks😎
Yay for the environment, you just need two batteries two chargers and it’s can’t do 60miles but we mined a bunch of rare earth materials to produce a thing it’s next to useless. That company should be fined out of existence.
ARIEL RIDER trumps SONDOR 10/10 times
Umm, no. I get 50 miles at 40-45 mph and in throttle only mode an Ariel tops out at about 15 miles then your dead in the water. Plus, Ariel Rider is a kids toy and a Metacycle turns heads and everyone loves it. In fact, the only problem I have had with the Metacycle is the constant attention, questions, complements and girls that want a ride. How many beach babes want jump on your Ariel Rider and wrap their arms around you to go for a ride?
Entirely too expensive.
They have the nerve to charge a $700 fee on top of the already overpriced bike...NOPE!
Get an Ariel rider grizzly for cheaper!
Lol my 400 dollar ebike can do 40 mph and go 30 miles...ehhh this is kinda trash with no level 2 charge and that awful range. Also my bike weighs 100 pounds
At least $5700 for that chinese scooter POS?!
So the bike trash. I rather stick with the electric motorcycle scooters or the scooters. You can put 2 batteries in or the motorcycle one. Have a more bigger battery
Not worthy of the price tag
But a 9000 dollar bicycle with a 15 mile range totally is.
Alot of hype but a lot of bullshit
worst bike ever
Chinese junk. Front shocks start leaking at 100 miles. Power cables detach from the frame and start rubbing on the rear wheel. Seat isn't cushioned - I'm 180 and the seat goes immediately flat under my ass and now I'm sitting on metal. And now the word on the street is that Sondors will file for bankruptcy and close up shop, leaving zero support for these bikes - as if Sondors ever provided much after-sale support to begin with.
worst ebike ever never trust chinese made products
Sounders blew it... messed up badly. In my opinion
Deploracrat's regressive nature is costly .
From 5000 to 7000, it has lost its appeal now entirely...