Telling The Good Zimbabwe Story: WHICH COUNTRIES HELPED SOUTH AFRICA ACHIEVE INDEPENDENCE
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- South Africa achieved its independence because of the defeat of the Boers in the #BorderWars fought in SADC. Those wars killed over 600k SADC citizens in Angola, Mozambique, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Lesotho and Botswana. #TellingTheGoodZimbabweStory
Bro Rutendo this is really hurting us as a people of Africa. Please, please 🙏,bro find her and sort this so that we can start forging ahead with the unity of Africa.
This does not give African Nationals the right to come into SA illegally because they have their own black-led governments.If positions were reversed we would have helped them.
Blue lie. Why didn't you raise this point before xenophobia start and self hate.I wish people who fought the war must be alive and tell what was going on. When you needed help to fight the balungus,was there any documentation required as like today?grow up you people.shamex2
@@Greenboy5325 Freedom fighters did not go to any country in their millions and they lived in camps and were monitored.After June 2023 there is going to be mass deportation and this poor entitlement you are showing will not work for you.
Well said. If your neighbor runs to your house because there’s an intruder you help them but you don’t then go and live in their house because you helped them and start sleeping with their wife and doing as you please in their home.
South Africans never went into droves in those countries. At some point the exiles left said countries and went to go fight the real fight. That's what a lot of people miss. South Africans didn't stay in any of these places longer than they had to. They also didn't go in large numbers & a lot of the exiles were working professionals & put in REFUGEE CAMPS with regulated movement. And none of those countries experienced the kinds of things from South Africans, that South Africans experience from immigrants in South Africa. Zimbabweans are intelligent and productive people but if they think that it's okay for their undesirables to come here and do the things that they do unchecked then we need to ask ourselves what do Zimbabweans tolerate in their own borders if they are okay with their expats going to other countries to do Gumtree scams, Car scams and armed robberies. I seriously doubt that if South africans did the same things in Zimbabwe that there'd be tolerated as much as South Africans do.
Where did she do her PhD,what a shallow minded woman. What a shame
The lady is misleading people. How does MKV went in Zambia, Tanzania and Angola without passing Zimbabwe and Botswana and Mozambique? As far we heard black South African were not allowed to pass through borders unless they border jump. Mybe they parachuted in Zambia, Tanzania and Angola tlitlitlitli. It's like you're in room but to get out, you have to pass the door she forget that, you can't get out of the room without passing the door unless you parachute throw roof
A very good general point/observation
She is just an idiot. Can she tell us what major base was in Angola
When did Zambia engage sadf fighters directly
Tanzania check
Rutendo you are absolutely right. In fact Zimbabwe actually suffered economically after we got independence. After independence of Mozambique in 1976, the RSA government sponsored and trained rebels with a view to destabilising newly independent Mozambique and they could also see Rhodesia was going to be independent soon so they needed a rebel movement to keep those black governemenrs busy fighting at home
The rebels were led by one Andre Matsanga and were trained at Odzi farm in Manicaland
After Zim got independence, Renamo or Matsangaise started attacking Eastern Highlands parts of Zimbabwe to destabilise the country. As a result we had to go into Mozambique to neautralise Renamo culminating in the battle of Casa Banana where the Zim army excelled. It's legendary to this day
1985 it happened
Matinyarare how can I help you I got a lot of good knowledge and can work in back office for you free
Those annoys me. Here in Botswana. Boers bombed parts of Botswana due to being a safe passage for south Africans and also hosted Michel during Mozambique struggle. Maybe that's what happens when south Africa is the only country that didn't fight for itself
SA fought for their country and the cadres lives, and to come back. There were lot of battle in the country fought by SAns that didn't go to seek refuge to other countries. I don't know which part you don't understand. Africans keep cadres in camps while these SAns were fighting for freedom. No Africans came and give us guns and help us fight or anything. We did it on our own under leadership of Winnie Mandela. Lesotho, Mozambique, Swaziland, Botswana yes they were passage to deeper Africa. But never had SAns seek refuge in Africa. It was political war and we SAns ended it and call our people back. Africans must not think they helped SA comrades only. SA did the same for lots of African countries asylums and refugees, but they were never kept in camps. And their leaders were staying in hotels, houses and were free to go around. Please musani usphaphela. Even your former president stayed freely here without fear. We lost many lives in SA. That will not be taken lightly. THIS IS OUR GOVERNMENT AND WE ARE SO SICK AND TIRED OF THE MANIPULATION AND ABUSE THEY ARE PUT UNDER BY SOME FELLOW AFRICANS. WE'VE GIVEN AFRICANS 28YEARS OF DEMOCRACY. NOW WE NEED OUR COUNTRY BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF. IT IS ENOUGH NOW. RESPECT US WHEN WE SAY WE WANT TO NORMALIZE AND RECTIFY PROBLEMS THAT ARE GROWING IN OUR COUNTRY. And it's time to pack and go but don't leave your drugs and cults behind . We can't even recognize JBG anymore and it belongs to SA, not another country. Aikona you really know how to destroy a beauty, but you don't know how build beautiful back home. It's a good thing that Dubai quickly saw this and stop it, I don't blame them ,and they don't care about xenophobia name. They've given SAns that name as trademark and I accepted it to make things simpler.
@@rainbowtrust6347 u guys lost the war in south Africa to whites, hence u guys had to push the war to Africa, where Boers lost to the Africans. U guys lost in mzansi, hence u guys had to negotiate with the whites. Hence u guys don't own nor control the country. U only own the political landscape only. If u guys fought by yourselves like Zimbabwe, u wouldn't have pushed the war into Africa and would be owning your country 100% and would have a few white people there like the rest of the continent. Blacks lost the war in sa
@@rainbowtrust6347 our former president ran away from corruption l, its not the same. SA never helped other nations in war, dude stop lying
@@innocentgoitseone3715 who said anything about SA helping who what wars, stop creating information
Many countries in the world helped black South Africans in their fight for freedom. Ungratefulness is a terrible thing. It doesn't matter how small the contribution may have been; it must be acknowledged. Many black people across the world protest against apartheid. Jamaican reggae singers made songs condemning the treatment of blacks in South Africa. Yes, they were not in South Africa to suffer physical and mental abuse, and even imprisonment like black South Africans, but they made their contribution in whichever way they could. It's a terrible thing black South Africans are doing when they blatantly denied the help of others. Personally, if someone offered me a glass of cold water, I am grateful. It can save my life. I hate an ungrateful spirit. Today the black South Africans embraced the white SA more than their fellow black Africans. This is the mentality of black people worldwide.
Wow lomama shabalala waze wasihlaza ntombo wathwala umqele obolile awazi lutho ngezwe lakho kumele babeke incwadi zakho owaphasa ngazo isikolo sis ungu folofolo ucephile awutazi into okhuluma ngayoo
I personally don't agree with yr perception towards black sans . Sans are very welcoming. We are grateful to the world but if you can take time and stay in south African you will understand the cause of all this.
SA is currently hosting many people from different countries
Most African countries are represented here , some legally and most illegally.
SA has turned into something else.
Rate of murders, kidnappings, heists , fraudulent id's documents , rapes , zamazamas (list is endless)
is very high.
You guys don't experience these in yr countries.
Then how do you expect us to feel.?
We live in fear, our cars are hijacked
day in and out to neighbouring countries.
The same brothers we have to love and protect.
Resources are an issue now, SA taxpayers are struggling demand is too much.
Killing of any body is wrong. Xenophobic is wrong.
Blaming SA is not fair.
As Africacan we must remember people we voted did us wrong
I blame African gvts for looting . Pls let us not demand from SA what gvt has failed to.provide.
How can you expect someone like her with fake tittles. Yet she knows nothing for sure totally 0 knowledge about S. Africa history. Who put her there? Shame shame mama Tshabalala re- learn your history dont lie to our youth.
The SA taxpayers are tired of paying taxes for Zimbabwe as well. Go back to fix your government and pay your taxes.
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South Africa currently has a lot of lot of people who are in exile running away from their own countries, How many millions of Zimbos are we housing now running away from ZanuPF and poverty??
People who remained in the country faced more atrocities of the apartheid government than those who ran away, WE OWE NO ONE NOTHING!!
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You don't even know what you talking about mama you lost it big time big no to yooooo
Davata base camp in Chiredzi, that was on the banks of Limpopo was expanded, allowing better logistics for cadres that crossed the Limpopo. Some of the logistics were done by ZNA
Yes, Mbeki confirmed this on his Mugabe memorial speech
Yes cadres were in camps and were monitored it's a fact. They didn't work or open businesses or worst do crime
Secondly not millions of South Africans flocked in your countries illlegaly like most do.
Thirdly your Mugabe sold out many cadres to the apartheid regime
Liar there was nothing like that!!!
Mugabe worked with the boers spying on uMkhonto we Sizwe. Remember what happened to Joe Gqabi in Harare? He shot dead and who sold him out?
@@GasoGa prove the contrary information
The fight was in Angola! Angolan lives were lost. Cubans were in Angola. Please stop. The land mines left by the boers, South African etc are still in Angola till today
I think it's normal for people not to want to associate with the poor. Zimbabwe is currently in an economic quagmire and part of Zimbabwean population is in SA. Zimbabwe and especially Mozambique suffered for SA's independence but because they are now poor, SA people say they didn't do anything kkkkkk. There are many historical documentaries even on RUclips and I wonder what they are busy watching.
That's what happens when south Africa is the only country in Africa that didn't fight for itself against the oppressors but had to get help from the rest of the continent
That's total nonsense,no one fought for SA. Because they ran to your country doesn't mean you fought with them it only means that you helped the cowards that ran away from the heat get a place to hide.
Thank you for responding to this video
Mxm can anyone tell me what exactly Zimbabweans moaning about SA.? What did they do for SA before. All I know is that Zimbabwe could not help few hundreds of ANC asylum that much. They hid them for few years, and demanded that they come back and fight their battle with NP government, just like all other countries. Hiding few political asylum in your camps for a short period of time given, don't mean that you have done wonders. You did what you should do because you'll also have exiles from your country and need the same help, and SA did that and much more than that, and we are stuck here with the masses of foreigners who don't want to go back home. And now we have a population of people in need than productive people, and people we don't need to add to our high population. It is very wrong of Zimbabwe and all other African countries to think that SA owes them our country. First of all, our political leaders were not refugees and they did not skip the country with their families, nor did they seek houses and all benefits of your countries. They only hide from enemy. We SAns fought tooth and nail to bring our people safely back home. We SAns were alone using anything to distabilize the government, and many of us died and crippled for life for SA to come back to us SAns, not Zimbabweans. If Zimbabweans think that we fought to include them in our busy country they are lied to. Instead of doing what is right for them in their country, then they decide to waste their energy they should be using and focusing on lot of work to develop their country. No one with a right mind will be okay with people leaving their country in thousands every day to come and add to already 4 million of their people in foreign country. And some hiding here, doing all devilish things in our country. These people are the worst creation under the sun. They have brought misery in this country. And their governments don't want them. Where did you ever see old and young women in thousands sleeping in the bushes, living their free countries and houses, lands just to go to be nuisance and vagabonds and lie , saying they are sick. SA is not a hospital. Zimbabwe has hospitals and doctors. Whatever problems they have, they are free to deal with it in Zimbabwe, Malawi, etc like any sane civilians will do. And stop making your problems ours, because we citizens have real bigger problems than this nonsense, and they are caused by you mostly . So please we are not entertaining this nywee nywee SA this, nyweee nyweee Mbeki this, nyweee nyweee Ramaphosa this. This and that SA, this and that we are Africans, so what if you are, get a grip and love yourself. Come and collect these millions of Zimbabweans and forget about ANC. Because of you ANC might lose the power. And don't even think you are going to be voting in our stations, like you did in 2009. Believe, you will see hell, your voting stations are calling you and start packing to go to prepare your compaigns in Zimbabwe. And stop always mixing Ramaphosa and ANC in your stupid Zanupf and your cowardness. Just march back to your homelands and do your duties, nobody will do it for you.
Did you know that under Machel Zimbabwe and Mozambique were on the way to becoming one country. There were several hundred Mozambique Civil servants and others being trained in Zimbabwe while university students were in Mozambique teaching kids English etc.
When Machel died Chissano canceled it all .Zimbabwe students went on a righteous rant and attacked white owned shops until police stopped it. Chissano should be called to account.
I hear nothing coming from your mouth you sleep with small kids 16yrs old and see nothing wrong there. Hambofa you do not convince SAns to join Africa clean yourself first. Hamba kini failpop👉👉👉
All though all countries that are mentioned here helped us .we are still need help too as South Africans because we're still poor. South Africans live in shacks they are can't even feed themselves. Please those countries which wants to really on us can give us space to elevate the poverty were facing as a country. It's like we have to pay back for being helped by being over burden by their problems whilst we are still sorting our own socio economic and political problems like them. These foreign countries should sort theirs with their youth instead of thinking that they will find solutions with over bombarded South Africa. Their waisting their time because South Africa is still poor too. The climate change is even stripping South Africa economy. Look what happened in KZN and Eastern Cape people are facing much unemployment and natural sister which makes South Africans more angry. The fume of poor angry South Africans will spill on these poor innocent foreigners. They will think that we don't want them. That's how we fume our vapour before Mr. Mandela release so we won't be stopped by foreigners how to relate on government issues. These foreigners has to back off. We are sorting our poor stricken socio economic country and poor government corrupt issues we are not prepared to run to the neighbouring countries at the moment since we gained freedom
Thank you sooo much Rutendo for telling us about the border wars. Your research methods are indeed a valuable asset for black people in sub-sahara africa. This is the kind of stuff that needs to be taught in schools and universities for all people to know the real history. Phansi ngo mama Shabalala phansi!!!!!
He’s lying to you
This woman talking she was taking drugs south Africa without Zimbabwe you were nothing be great Zimbabwe is your neighbour
South Africans lived in Zimbabwe and they owned homes… not all exiles were soldiers. Its not a claim its truth.
why are Zimbabweans so obsessed about south africa ?
Zimbabweans and South Africans are one people. If you read enough you will realise these borders were imposed on us in 1884. That's only 138 years ago. Before that we lived as one people until colonialists came to divide and rule us. Its sad to say they continue ruling us as a divided people. Only in Africa where you see natives advocating to be separated from their brothers. In Europe they created the European Union which has been getting stronger since 1993. We ain't going nowhere as black people in a world where everybody recognise the power in numbers and unification. In Africa we are actually going backwards and the sad part is some of us have no way of seeing it.....
Social the fall of Zimbabwe is the fall of South Africa and then fall of SA is fall of Mozambique
Why do you think China and Russia are joining. You achieve more United than alone
@@glennorahthouzzenaire9706 Zimbabweans please stop to impose yourselves to south africans. They always play smart about south african issues but they cant outsmart zanupf. To hell with pan africanism that is selective to south africa only
@@glennorahthouzzenaire9706 Stop insulting us. We are not & have never been one with you. You are the most nauseatingly xenophobic nation in the SADC region. That's why the shonas killed 20k+ ndebeles. Now that you are desperate you demand non existent lenient to South Africa. Why didn't u remove the borders in 1980 when u got your independence? Remove them now between yourselves & Mocambique and also Botswana. Botswana, Tanzania, Zambia also harboured us, why are they not demanding to b South Africans? Poverty is driving your claims & not any contribution to our struggle! You are a nation with no pride whatsoever!!
Unpatriotic fools
Mr rutendo we are not going to share our country SA with Zimbabweans period.
Cuban came by invitation of the Angolan government to rescue that government not to fight for anc or swapo Zimbabwe and Mozambique comprised for there economic reasons to which Angola did not more Angolan died where was the anc headquarter was it in Zimbabwe or Zambia Soviet union provided swapo and anc weapons why munangagwa was believed to be in bed with the apartheid regime in the 80s
Yes Tanzania , Angola and Mozambique
These South Africans!! they know the truth that Zimbabwe helped them a lot but they chose to ignore it at this point in time because they say Zimbabweans are flooding their country seeking help which is not the case Zimbabweans are doing business not helped, so they just hate Zimbabwe. So it is unnecessary to convince this woman on this issue. It's high time Zimbabwe move away from South Africa and do business with other countries.
We would be happy to see the back of you. Is cleaning our toilets, gardening, guarding our buildings, pouring our petrol, waitressing, selling gizards and prostituting yourselves what you call business? Your definition of business is as low as your nationality!!
@@nomagcisacawe3297 then you don't know the meaning of word business, go back to school shame on you!!!
It would be good riddance.
@@troubleshooter2860 I will not go to school where one is taught that being an Unclassified Common Labourer is regarded as business!
@@nomagcisacawe3297 you think you are smart but you know nothing
Lack of knowledge!
I think she wants to distance south Africa from poorer countries and associate it with the like minded
Nigeria isn't poorer than SA though
@@tvs9978 it is by far. Why do you think Nigerians are all over in SA
@@scottishboer3126 because they have more of an entrepreneurial spirit than you. Nigerians are in Greenland, Russia, Rwanda, Ghana, etc. They go wherever they think there's an opportunity that isn't being fully harnessed
@@tvs9978 thanks
@@scottishboer3126 what a disgusting and rather pathetic attempt to stereotype Nigerians.
One thing that will always makes SA wanna hear nothing about Zimbabweans, Rutendo cannot highlight Zimbabwe's contribution by trivializing the efforts of the people who remained in the country. Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko and ordinary South Afticans equally made efforts and brought the country to a standstill. The state of emergency and the chaos that showed the apartheid government that the people were dead serious were the efforts of the people who were left in the country.
All parties, internal and external, were important to the effort.
He didnt say South African did nothing.As a Zimbabwean who fundraised and looked after South Africans in Zimbabwe during their struggle this woman is insulting,stupid,ignorant and a real waste of space!South Africa is greatly indebted to the frontline states and should not forget the sun doesnt shine forever.Nothing is special and the South Africans should never forget that Zimbabwe 's trade is pivotal to its economy and Beitbridge is of immense value for their trade with the rest of Africa.Shame on her misinformed rumblings.
@ MaNdaba wakwaNdaba. Asina ndaba that many bordering nationalities died aiding MK. That Cuba had Migs that countered Apartheid South Africa's Mirage jet fighters and Angola had armour to fend off the Boers. Research your history or you will forever live a lie.
Apart from OR Tambo and Thambo many ANC leaders were in exile in other SADC countries. Even Mandela used other African countries to move in and out of SA before arrest
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Tell her boss
Ramaphosa the current president of South Africa and Moeletsi Mbeki Tambo we exiled in Zimbabwe. I went to college with two groups of foreigners, South Africans and Namibians who later learnt were Umkonto weSizwe and Swapo trainee fighters.
I will not mention who would escort the trainee fighters and cross them into South Africa .
Ramaphosa was never in Exile!
@@nomagcisacawe3297 l hope you are right.
@@cosmasnyamajenjere7587 where do you take that from?
@@tpjohnsonroberts5219 Ask Ramaphosa and Moeletsi for confirmation or denial.
I'm asking you
Mama Tshabalala was telling the truth to an extent Zimbabwe never helped South Africa🤞ask uMkhonto weSizwe war veterans and it was not the Zimbabwean soldiers that fought alongside uMkhonto weSizwe but is was Zipra guerrillas which were made of Sotho, Pedi, Ndebele, Xosha Kalanga, Tonga etc and definitely not Shona tribe. The person who lead those operations was a Zimbabwean called Moffat Hadebe and I believe he is still with us. People are using this “we helped you” mantra to hold South African to ransom, I hope South Africans don’t fall for this propaganda.
Do you mean Xhosa Tsonga , am I right.
@@rainbowtrust6347 not exactly there’s another tribe with a similar name but the spelling is slightly different “Tonga” they’re found in Zim and Zambia mostly. Yes Shangaan people are there also but they’re not commonly referred to as Tsonga that side. Hope that clears things up🙏
@@GasoGa oh thanks it's good to know.
Hi bro, it will be great to contact our sister and engage her as opposed to correcting over this platform.
People like her aren't interested in debate
Yes I believe you
They were never defeated . .. they negotiated because of negotiation
Negative gal,they were not gonna ask for help if they had to manage to stand on their own
Depleted or oversstretched ?
If the ANC really cares about the real South Africans they she just leave office , huge problems heading their way . Look at Cape town area there talk about that region separating from the rest of the country South Africa 😔
Even Kzn that is black majority once wanted to separate from SA .. you guys are obsessed about whites its annoying
Western Cape will never be separated from SA;that's only a dream of the colonizers.But why are you people pushing so hard to become South Africans?You have masses of land in your countries.I can conclude and say,'A black man cannot rule'.
Una manga wena lutendo, zanu regime was an associate with south African apartheid regime, at entumbane zanla,Rhodesian front ,south African apartheid forces joined together & fought zipra, zanu never allowed anc to have bases in zim ,zanu was always onside of south African apartheid regime.
Thank you, Mama, very true,,
Many African countries are still suffering today because of their support for South African freedom fighters. I remember. Many of us lived and died with them
😂 are you dead now
@@ScissorN just checked by pinching myself. Nope, still alive thank you for asking 🤣🤣🤣
NO!!Many African countries are suffering because they are leaderless.Even SA would follow if we ordinary citizens did not rise up and push the government to act.
@@machibamaime4095 that is true. Sometimes government officials forget that they are working for the people and not the other way round
You are suffering because of your stupid leaders how has housing few people in your country made the whole nation to suffer economically after 40 years??
Theres a difference with someone who went to school and one who didn't bro you know your stuff that's why my fellow South Africans are so xenophobic
Which school taught him the rubbish he's spewing? Was he ever in our struggle to try and talk authoritatively about it. He's merely regurgitating what someone else has written. By the way, we are so called XENOPHOBIC in OUR own country. If you do not like our xenophobia, LEAVE! Just because you can read & write your names you think you are educated. Zimbabweans are a peasant nation.
Rubbish xa ufundile ufuna I. La SA
@@sindiswamomoza7094 you don't even understand what Im saying you just run to reply nje uyaphapha
@@sindiswamomoza7094 wena momozi
Tell the history of Zimbabwe. Don't tell us about our history. We don't try to be "Authorities" on Zimbo affairs. Wawuphi wena. Stop reading propaganda & claiming to b an "Authority" on our history, What's your lived experience of the South African struggle?