Miles Davis on Wynton Marsalis, 1987

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  • Опубликовано: 23 мар 2023
  • Miles Davis is asked in an interview what he thinks of Wynton. #music #jazz #milesdavis #trumpet

Комментарии • 387

  • @andrewbuckley4110
    @andrewbuckley4110 Год назад +412

    Miles is always looking forward - to innovate. Wynton is focused on bringing the past back to the forefront. Love both players but they’re totally opposite in that respect

    • @joshcharlat850
      @joshcharlat850 Год назад +18

      I appreciate how Miles said, "Maybe later..." offering that chance. 1987 is a long time ago, and Wynton has never stopped playing a variety of styles and compositions. I think Wynton composes, so perhaps we should hear those compositions. He is really marvelous at reflecting the history of American trumpeting.

    • @SjoerdMentens
      @SjoerdMentens 9 месяцев назад +16

      Music is an ocean where musicians are water drops.

    • @DavidHimmelPerforms
      @DavidHimmelPerforms 6 месяцев назад +6

      maybe nowadays, but black codes changed the game

    • @mindjob
      @mindjob 29 дней назад +1

      I try to innovate, but most people are comfortable doing what they know

    • @jeffhathorn7148
      @jeffhathorn7148 28 дней назад

      @tranquil_aceSpot on 👍

  • @jessesingersongwriter
    @jessesingersongwriter 12 дней назад +27

    Marsalis is a master musician. Miles was an artist.

    • @shawn13mertle13
      @shawn13mertle13 10 дней назад +1

      That is a very good way of stating the reality. Love listening to both.

    • @genramsey
      @genramsey 10 дней назад +1

      You nailed it!❤

    • @---wd3hp
      @---wd3hp 10 дней назад

      Wrong.
      Miles was an avant garde artist.
      A master musician sits in an orchestra pit, which is fine.
      Wynton is so much more than that and deserves not to be snobbed at.

    • @shawn13mertle13
      @shawn13mertle13 9 дней назад

      @@---wd3hp I don't think Wynton is snobbed at by anyone. One of the most respected musicians on the planet.

    • @shawnsaul7759
      @shawnsaul7759 8 дней назад +2

      @@---wd3hpWynton is single handedly responsible for decline in jazz, toxic jazz neo-conservativism and narcissistic elitist attitudes that has reduced jazz to an academic cocktail profression.

  • @jacksonspencer2707
    @jacksonspencer2707 Год назад +118

    The definition of damning with faint praise

    • @markkusyrjala7919
      @markkusyrjala7919 3 месяца назад +4

      ”He’s a good trumpet player though..”

    • @frankrichards3089
      @frankrichards3089 3 месяца назад +2

      Lol yess

    • @stephengardner763
      @stephengardner763 3 месяца назад +1

      Well, I'll be damned if that aint faint praise

    • @CapoKabar
      @CapoKabar 29 дней назад +3

      What he meant was that Wynton played within the constraints of styles. Miles innovated and broke free from every style. Wynton is lazy in this respect because he is comfortable where he is even though he has the talent to go beyond. Maybe one day he will. Still waiting for that one day

    • @isaacj6212
      @isaacj6212 28 дней назад

      ​@@CapoKabarthat's not laziness. To be able to play what Wynton plays requires endless practice, study and discipline...hes far from being lazy. If you were a musician you'd understand this and not make such an ignorant statement.
      Wynton plays what he plays because he loves tradition, wants to keep it going and there's nothing wrong with that. He doesn't feel the need to come up with something new and different just because dick heads like Miles think that's what a musician has to do to be relevant . It worked for Miles, bully for him but he doesn't represent nor speak for the entire jazz world.
      Wynton has done just fine on his own without the endorsement of Miles.

  • @morganneher8643
    @morganneher8643 27 дней назад +82

    I you know Miles, him repeatedly calling Wynton a good trumpet player means he’s telling the truth and it’s a sign of respect. Miles would not say someone was good if they weren’t.
    It’s more about willingness to go outside the box which Wynton does not favor and Miles lived for.
    Miles knew Wynton was good because, Wynton is really good, Miles didn’t throw false compliments around. It’s two schools of approach to music and we needed them both for the art to advance 👍

    • @JamesSilver-hn9df
      @JamesSilver-hn9df 17 дней назад +5

      I love hearing Winton talk about music as a form of spiritual expression. He's investigating the roots while Miles is sitting atop the canopy gazing at the clouds.

    • @awwfunkme
      @awwfunkme 4 дня назад +1

      @@morganneher8643
      Or...it could've been a simple case of Miles throwing shade.
      Both things are possible.

  • @stefanodomeni
    @stefanodomeni 8 месяцев назад +287

    Wynton is still the same. The conservative jazz police

    • @canastraroyal
      @canastraroyal 5 месяцев назад +2

      He did a very good job.

    • @edddo4314
      @edddo4314 5 месяцев назад +9

      How is he "the same"? He's definitely NOT just "precise" with "nothing extra". He can be very bluesy, very groovy, that's exactly a reason why I like his music so much.

    • @DihelsonMendonca
      @DihelsonMendonca 2 месяца назад +33

      💥 Exactly. Wynton Marsalis is the jazz police that believe only Americans can play Jazz, and jazz is only the music played in a 4/4 bar, and from New Orleans. For him, jazz fusion, latin, electronic, cool jazz, avant garde doesn't exist, but this way of thinking is deeply rooted on some American jazz artists. Currently, jazz is not a rhythm anymore. Jazz is a worldwide kind of music, a musical philosophy. ❤

    • @canastraroyal
      @canastraroyal 2 месяца назад +13

      @@DihelsonMendonca I hear you, bro... But Wynton has a point, too. If Americans took samba and transformed it into something new and universal, I bet many Brazilians would say that's not real samba. That does happen, actually! It happened with salsa (Cuban-Americans had to rebrand it in NYC so Cubans wouldn't be as pissed lol)

    • @DihelsonMendonca
      @DihelsonMendonca 2 месяца назад +19

      @@canastraroyal I hear you too. Well, the rest of the world transformed our Brazilian samba to their uses. I can hear in numerous recordings, and many times, people don't even know what is that. They did that with other our rhythms and styles, like Baião, which in English they call "Baion", and "Xote", and also our frevo. Also, Bossa Nova is a mixture of samba and jazz, but there's a mutual recognizing and respect. We don't mind people play and change our music. The history of Brazilian music looks like jazz: Slaves brought from Africa to work here centuries ago, brought their music, and here it was mixed with European music and harmony. So, several kinds of music was born. If we should be true to the history, we should credit the samba and many other styles here to black guys, but they never claime as authors. Brazil is a mix of several people, races, European whites, black people, and fortunately, we never had strong prejudice against any, because white people married to black ones, so, we one way or another, have white and black blood in our veins, so there's no room for any prejudice. So is in music. Music is for all. There are dozens of rhythms which are less known, as the "Choro", "Maxixe", "Xaxado", each part of the Country has it's own styles, and since it's a very big Country, often people from some states don't know how to exactly play the music of other states, but that's fine. With jazz, we introduced the art of improvisation in most of our music, beginning with bossa nova, but all other styles currently support creative approaches and improvisation. Meanwhile, the Japanese like to play bossa nova on their way, so the Europe and USA also. For our standards, their rhythm never achieves what we want to play. Brazilian drummers are so far ahead on this area, but unfortunately, they are not invited to play a real samba, or a real bossa nova. It's strange to listen to other people playing our music in less than good rhythmic division, but we are grateful for the choice, the taste and respect. In the jazz Real Book, there are several standards from the Brazilian music, from Tom Jobim, and others. Só, jazz has incorporated some of the Brazilian music, and we have also Incorporated some things from jazz. So, jazz really began in US, but currently, it was "adopted" and absorbed by numerous Countries, and currently we have "Fusion", which is a word to reune these many different styles. 🙏👍❤️

  • @DavidFobare
    @DavidFobare 21 день назад +19

    Miles has a point. At this point in their respective careers I thought of Wynton as the soul of technique and Branford as inhabiting the technique of soul.

    • @megasoid
      @megasoid 16 дней назад +2

      Well said and very true.

  • @stuartdryer1352
    @stuartdryer1352 22 дня назад +104

    It was true in 87, and far more true now.

  • @mahmoudkchaou1799
    @mahmoudkchaou1799 4 месяца назад +110

    When you wear big sunglasses, you talk whatever comes to your mind and look badass. This theory is timeless

    • @autofocus4556
      @autofocus4556 2 месяца назад +5

      Badass? Looks like he just had his eyes dilated.

    • @harounel-poussah6936
      @harounel-poussah6936 2 месяца назад +9

      And look like a 70's pimp too...

    • @danielfleming9630
      @danielfleming9630 Месяц назад +5

      Is pimping bad?

    • @kchuk1965
      @kchuk1965 Месяц назад +3

      @@harounel-poussah6936he was a 70’s pimp.

    • @harounel-poussah6936
      @harounel-poussah6936 Месяц назад +1

      @@kchuk1965 I heard about such rumours, but can you point evidences, i.e law enforcement records?

  • @enriqueernesto738
    @enriqueernesto738 12 дней назад +15

    Once Miles said something like this about Improvisation: i don't want to hear what you know, i want to hear what you don't know

    • @renodavid
      @renodavid 10 дней назад +2

      Telling McLaughlin to play like he was a beginner on In A Silent Way was so perfect for that recording. Genius.

    • @awwfunkme
      @awwfunkme 4 дня назад +1

      @@enriqueernesto738
      Miles also said:
      "Play what you don't hear."
      You could spend your life trying to figure out what tha hell THAT actually means.

    • @TheMalibuDar
      @TheMalibuDar 4 дня назад +1

      @@awwfunkme I think it probably means "surprise yourself"

    • @awwfunkme
      @awwfunkme 4 дня назад +1

      @@TheMalibuDar
      That's possible.
      OR...it could mean:
      "Play what you've NEVER
      heard anybody play before
      on that instrument."
      Who knows?
      I've uttered some deeply profound things when I was
      high on coke, too.

    • @awwfunkme
      @awwfunkme 3 дня назад

      @@enriqueernesto738
      "Cocaine is a hellava drug."
      Rick James

  • @stangetz534
    @stangetz534 Год назад +39

    I can see what he means. Miles was like a rock star.

  • @thekarmafarmer608
    @thekarmafarmer608 27 дней назад +36

    If I was Wynton, I`d take that. This is a huge compliment coming from Miles.

    • @LysergiCoyotl
      @LysergiCoyotl 18 дней назад +3

      its more of an insult still

    • @thekarmafarmer608
      @thekarmafarmer608 18 дней назад +4

      @@LysergiCoyotl Perhaps you`re not familiar with how Miles talks about people.

    • @LysergiCoyotl
      @LysergiCoyotl 18 дней назад +2

      @@thekarmafarmer608 Its really neither insult nor compliment he's just being matter of fact.. basically calling him one-dimensional ... just saying he's a precise player, very good at one thing... and implying that it's fine and nice to be precise but he's missing dimensions of expression and something fundamental about individuality in expression. doesn't add anything new. is a high quality print, not an original canvas.

    • @thekarmafarmer608
      @thekarmafarmer608 18 дней назад

      @@LysergiCoyotl he saw himself as the best and thus everybody else had some fault or other

    • @LysergiCoyotl
      @LysergiCoyotl 17 дней назад +3

      @@thekarmafarmer608 ok sure so maybe Miles *was* one of the best or was full of himself or whatever but that doesn't make what he was saying here disingenuous or inaccurate..

  • @DihelsonMendonca
    @DihelsonMendonca 2 месяца назад +38

    💥 Wynton Marsalis is the jazz police that believe only Americans can play Jazz, and jazz is only the music played in a 4/4 bar, and from New Orleans. For him, jazz fusion, latin, electronic, cool jazz, avant garde dont exist, or it's not jazz, but this way of thinking is deeply rooted on some "root" American jazz artists. Currently, jazz is not a rhythm anymore. Jazz is a worldwide style of music, a musical philosophy shared by mankind. ❤

    • @evanjazzista
      @evanjazzista 2 месяца назад +3

      He had to change his mind when he first heard 14 years old (at the time) Francesco Cafiso from Sicily (Italy). Also, he was pissed when brother Branford went to play with Sting. Classic Wynton...

    • @davidcavalari226
      @davidcavalari226 19 дней назад +2

      The flip side of that is when you play music from the 1920s people tell you "that's not jazz, it's ragtime!" Well, no. The 1920s were called "The Jazz Age" and people at the time referred to that music as "jazz." If that doesn't make it jazz, I don't know what does.

    • @kylezo
      @kylezo 16 дней назад +1

      @@davidcavalari226words change David. This is something you'll have to learn to be comfortable with once you get to age 20 or so

    • @Naesman1167
      @Naesman1167 15 дней назад

      @@davidcavalari226 Historians don’t define musical genres.. Jazz Age is a moniker. Jazz, the American style is defined by taking a composition and creating improvisation from it. After, that what you like or dislike is subjective regarding the mixture of approaches to the music. Wynton, and in fact all musicians and listeners focus on a style and period as reference for what would be called a foundation for themselves. Today, if you spoke to someone of a certain age about R&B the golden age would be the 60’s.. and if you’re going to study R&B you’d have to start there.. Wynton is a historian and a damn good one considering he actually hung out with history for the most part..

    • @mrtwint1
      @mrtwint1 14 дней назад

      I’m not a musician but a lover of the art form called music ….music is about personal expression…nothing wrong with traditional classic jazz …but mankind evolves …even though music still favors tradition….very interesting topic!

  • @youngpaderewski3668
    @youngpaderewski3668 14 дней назад +6

    Miles never sugarcoated nothing.

  • @butchmitch731
    @butchmitch731 20 дней назад +25

    Mìĺes said it as nicely as it could be said ❤
    We all know, as ìn̈ most pèoʻpĺe ŵĥoʻ know jàzz ķn̈ow or feel that they do, know what Miles conveyed with those words. Many fin̈è comments posted here ìn̈ðìcate as much.

    • @twain3074
      @twain3074 14 дней назад +2

      what do we 'all know'? Miles had a super high opinion of himself and his playing. He had a super bad habit of disrespecting the talent of others..

    • @frez777
      @frez777 11 дней назад

      @@twain3074 he was trying to say; "he ain't got no soul"

    • @twain3074
      @twain3074 11 дней назад

      @@frez777 .. like I said, Miles had a habit of belittling other musicians. 'soul' can't be defined; it's how the music moves you.. Davis was a product of the mean streets of NYC. there are many who will argue that he was no better than Chet Baker, but West Coast jazz is different. Marsalis is a product of the NoLa traditional school, and honestly THAT is the origin of jazz. Also, unlike Baker or Davis, Marsalis never needed the needle in the arm.

    • @---wd3hp
      @---wd3hp 10 дней назад

      Stop yourself

  • @ColtranesOffspring45
    @ColtranesOffspring45 5 месяцев назад +19

    There is some truth to what he's saying, Wynton himself admitted a few years back he cringed at listening to a song of his in the 80's, but i think that he believes in preserving the "sanctity" of the music. Miles lived the time period that Wynton admired so his thought process was more so along the lines of innovation and pushing the creative envelope along. They both have served their purpose to music

    • @ronj9448
      @ronj9448 11 дней назад

      Wynton's star doesn't shine so bright. Today he seems famous for being Whyton vs a body of work.

  • @jazzrat2000
    @jazzrat2000 Месяц назад +48

    I'll just say this: I'd much rather listen to Miles than Wynton. This goes for speaking as well as playing. As Miles says, very precise. Wynton could certainly play rings around Miles as far as speed and technique but that doesn't matter. The fact that he had to record Cherokee just a little bit faster than Clifford tells me everything I need to know. I'm retired and cranky.

    • @jamesrawlins735
      @jamesrawlins735 24 дня назад +4

      See I'm the opposite. Every once in a while I'm in the mood for Miles' minimalism, but it leaves me cold at times (too internalized). I'm more of a bop and West Coast fan. Miles is a giant, no doubt, and he changed Jazz, but he's not in my top 5 when compared to Lee Morgan, Diz, Bix, Louis or Clifford.

    • @jazzrat2000
      @jazzrat2000 23 дня назад +2

      @@jamesrawlins735 Interesting... Wynton is the one who strikes me as cold, and Miles doesn't strike me that way, I don't understand it. I think more plaintive than cold. I never saw Miles play and certainly never met him, but I did see Wynton play and met him, he was fairly young and full of himself (that whole deal is another story by itself). I'm not sure that has changed over the years except for the young part. When I want me some soul from a jazz trumpet player I listen to Lee, as I see you do :)
      It's interesting, my top five jazz trumpet players are Miles Davis, Clifford Brown, Jack Sheldon, Chet Baker and Andrea Motis... I love Louis and Bix but I don't listen to them very often. If you want to hear some poor jazz trumpet/flugel playing check out my channel :) I do bonsai, feature my pet duck, scat singing and up until recently, some jazz trumpet.

    • @geinikan1kan
      @geinikan1kan 18 дней назад +1

      Hothouse Flowers is a sweet album. Plenty of interior.

    • @docdmitch1380
      @docdmitch1380 15 дней назад +1

      Retired and Cranky 😂😂😂

    • @trevorwoodley3897
      @trevorwoodley3897 14 дней назад

      @@jazzrat2000What do you think of Clark Terry and Terrence Blanchard?

  • @Will_Moffett
    @Will_Moffett 26 дней назад +6

    I mean, you can't argue with Mile's take and you have to appreciate that he didn't chomp on the bait to inflame some kind of perceived rivalry. The difference between Miles and Wynton follows the differences between a pioneer and an expert, respectively. Experts get trapped in theory and are limited by what they think is understandable or traceable. Miles just followed beauty and didn't care to understand the metaphysical of it.

  • @chiefkibitzer9419
    @chiefkibitzer9419 10 месяцев назад +20

    I've always viewed my favorite trumpet players as I would my favorite foods or drinks. It's the variety that makes things interesting. And thankfully I have options depending on what I'm in the mood for. I try to appreciate what each musician has to say musically and not get caught up in the subjective game of "who's better".

  • @CapoKabar
    @CapoKabar 7 месяцев назад +45

    Wynton is a Master of many styles. Miles was an innovator and kept it that way. Like no two boxers are the same, so it goes for them too

  • @andreagargiulo6230
    @andreagargiulo6230 20 дней назад +6

    Louis Satchmo Armstrong, the greatest of all time!!
    Mr Armstrong= Mr Jazz❤

    • @jackgates6949
      @jackgates6949 19 дней назад +3

      AMEN! Neither Miles or Wynton would have existed without Louis. The difference is that Wynton admits it and pays homage. Miles only did in private.

    • @frez777
      @frez777 11 дней назад +1

      Gunhild Carling

    • @andreagargiulo6230
      @andreagargiulo6230 11 дней назад

      @@frez777 Gunhild Carling very good, but low power in high notes.

  • @andrewcharley1893
    @andrewcharley1893 2 месяца назад +6

    Love them both,two totally different spirits.

  • @NimaBlaydz
    @NimaBlaydz 20 дней назад +5

    Wynton is a museum curator, Miles was a musican…

    • @Naesman1167
      @Naesman1167 18 дней назад

      Come on man.. Really? So, because he’s taking education as a path rather than Miles path he’s less a musician? Are you a musician? Do you have a catalog that we can measure against Miles?

    • @George_Pueblo
      @George_Pueblo 15 дней назад

      Wyntons value is not camparable to Miles‘ geniality

  • @pushslice
    @pushslice 19 дней назад +2

    Miles moved the needle of jazz, several times.
    Winton preferred to step inside of a little skinny box, and bellyached whenever anyone tried to peek into it it to ask about giving him a bigger box

  • @bumsibar6163
    @bumsibar6163 3 месяца назад +16

    I do not see how Miles' statement is arrogant at all, it actually is considerate and quite nice, considering how cocky Wynton tried to create beef and put himself on the same level as Miles. Looking back it is very obvious who is an artist and who not.

    • @user-sk2fh5cl8y
      @user-sk2fh5cl8y 29 дней назад

      Wynton IS on the same level as Miles

    • @victormora8391
      @victormora8391 26 дней назад +4

      Wynton is not on the same level as Miles nor will he ever be! Miles was an innovator!

    • @jamesrawlins735
      @jamesrawlins735 24 дня назад +1

      Miles was often arrogant - for instance calling Oscar Peterson just a technician who repeated the same bag of tricks over and over.

  • @kahhowong3417
    @kahhowong3417 19 дней назад +4

    Spot on!

  • @jacobdosick71
    @jacobdosick71 3 месяца назад +4

    Thank you for uploading this, i was able to use it on an essay for US history on an influential american artist

  • @curtmagee
    @curtmagee 17 дней назад +2

    Agreed, Wynton should allow that as a compliment. I was told by an acquaintance who was present at the time. That Miles Davis said that EWF Larry Dunn was the sound of the band. In front of the band🤣🤣 Miles was brutal🤣

    • @patrickpowers3850
      @patrickpowers3850 14 дней назад

      That's weird. I'd say Verdine White. Though everyone in EWF was really good. And Dunn left in 1983 while EWF carried on just fine without him.

  • @MrCrescendo
    @MrCrescendo 18 дней назад +2

    I love Wynton, but Miles is not wrong about what he's saying. Wynton does have a distinctive voice, but many players do. Wynton is a really really good player and that's enough.

  • @ericostling7410
    @ericostling7410 15 дней назад +2

    SPOT. ON. !!!

  • @loilt5091
    @loilt5091 27 дней назад +3

    Respectfully, what I know about Wynton…Miles assessment is correct. Perhaps that’s his classical training or just his nature. Personally, I’ve always preferred players willing to take chances, especially live. Even throw out the odd clinker, but push the envelope to unexpected heights!
    🇨🇦

  • @scotty6124
    @scotty6124 18 дней назад +1

    Perfectly put and totally respectful, especially considering how much of Miles music Wynton hated, or more mildly put, can't understand.

  • @doobeedoo2
    @doobeedoo2 2 месяца назад +2

    They came of age in such different eras.

  • @andrewflynn6853
    @andrewflynn6853 4 дня назад

    Wynton since then has been able to play any style he wants, haha. I have heard him play three times and he is without a doubt the greatest trumpet player i've ever heard in person by a long shot. I never heard any of the old heads back in miles' day, so i'm sure i would be saying differently if i had. That being said, I would still put Wynton in my personal top 5 favorite trumpet players of all time still. Call it bias, but you can't deny how talented Wynton is and how good of a music educator he also is.

  • @LeydenAigg
    @LeydenAigg 14 дней назад +1

    I felt similar to Miles, the first time I heard concert pianist Evgeny Kissin play. At first, Kissin's technical brilliance was undeniable to me, but I felt his playing lacked feeling. In the years since, Kissin's artistry came to match his technique. Alas, poor Wynton...

  • @kevinforeman4485
    @kevinforeman4485 19 дней назад +1

    Just for miles Davis to even know who I was, I can die now.

  • @robnickelsen6650
    @robnickelsen6650 22 дня назад

    Loved his autobiography

  • @Gigantor60
    @Gigantor60 17 дней назад +1

    Miles never lied. There is no mark against Winton, just facts

  • @justinmcgonigle5587
    @justinmcgonigle5587 29 дней назад +5

    I’d say one thing, W has that ping, which is god given…it’s a joy that comes through…in his personality too….

  • @ricardoflot2787
    @ricardoflot2787 17 дней назад

    From Miles, that was a COMPLIMENT! 👍

  • @alpetification1
    @alpetification1 15 дней назад +1

    Where can I buy this sunglasses?

  • @barryweston4887
    @barryweston4887 28 дней назад +2

    One of the coolest cats of all time

    • @claypearson8380
      @claypearson8380 19 дней назад

      He was an 💯 asshole by all accounts!!! 😂🤣

  • @KtotheG
    @KtotheG 17 дней назад +1

    Miles wanted to say he has no soul, but he was trying to be diplomatic. That's always been the knock on Wynton. His paint by numbers style.

  • @miker9101
    @miker9101 15 дней назад +1

    At the time, Wynton was playing a lot of classical music and was still developing his jazz chops. I think this is what Miles was saying.

  • @runthomas
    @runthomas 8 месяцев назад +21

    marsalis is a good player ....just in the same way some of these classical guys can play well...
    but he doesnt bring marsalis to the table...what is marsalis but a copy of other people...that is what miles is saying and is 100 percent correct.
    he has no magic of his own....but that takes genius....winton is a technical wiz...but he aint bringing nothing...lkiek te people who play motzart or bach....they never bring anything...they just play well.
    art blakey, miles davis, charlie parker and john coltrane ARE MOTZARTS....

    • @adamashforthdrums
      @adamashforthdrums 5 месяцев назад

      This is such an outdated and tired take. You should listen to some of Wynton's original records on the Blue Note Label in the late 2000's. Check out "From the Plantation to the Penitentiary" (2007), and "He and She" (2009), and tell me he's just a technical cat. Those are legit (and original) contributions to the modern jazz lexicon.

    • @runthomas
      @runthomas 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@adamashforthdrums I just listened to from the plantation to the penitentiary..
      there was some decent playing, but no magic, nothing special, the tune was bland, didnt even slightly rattle my soul in any way shape or form...i was hoping you were right, and giving you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe I had missed something...which would be nice if i did, as it would hand me some more jazz magic....listen to art blakey and the jazz messengers "free for all" ..i nearly broke down and cried when i heard that tune....listen to stuff like, these tunes hit hard , super hard and affect oyur life..wynton doesnt seem to have those kind of ideas...but thanks for the tunes anyway...ill listen to anything, because it is rare that i get to find a true gem, so always on the lookout.

    • @adamashforthdrums
      @adamashforthdrums 5 месяцев назад

      @@runthomas Is the minimum criteria of any music you listen to is “it must rattle my soul, or bring me to tears”?That’s a high bar - what an exhausting listening experience. How can you listen to music frequently if you’re constantly crying through it?
      Seriously though, that’s awesome you listened to the title track straight away. Give some other tracks on there a try. I particularly like “Doin’ (Y)our Thing” (fantastic live version from their Cuba record), as well as Supercapitalism, and the ballad Love and Broken Hearts.
      As other commenters have said, The Black Codes of the Underground was his first landmark statement as an artist. His body of work entitles him to be respected as an authentic jazz artist and creator; not just a preservationist.
      What’s ironic is that Wynton gets criticized for having a stubborn and narrow minded view of what jazz is - hey, maybe you guys are more alike than you think!

    • @runthomas
      @runthomas 5 месяцев назад +1

      @hforthdrums yes that is my requirement....but when you have been around as long as i have, you have built up a collection of thousands of amazing tunes...so no its not exhausting, its really enjoyable....as long as you keep them sorted organised.
      really its all about soul...and marsallis doesnt have it going on.

    • @tonebrennan8475
      @tonebrennan8475 23 дня назад +1

      ❤SOUL,that intangible magical ingredient that transcends technique and transforms music into something more than sounds;kind of like the difference between hi-tech lights and candles;one is efficient,clean,cool,with superior luminosity,the other,smoky,greasy,warm,with lysergic lambence;”got no soul,out in the cold,got no swing,ain’t got a thing”❤

  • @3MUnique
    @3MUnique 6 месяцев назад +12

    Maybe Miles was correct at that time but by the time I heard Black Codes From The Underground, I figured Wynton to be a special generational talent.

    • @error9900
      @error9900 6 месяцев назад +2

      Interestingly this interview was 2 years after that album

    • @3MUnique
      @3MUnique 6 месяцев назад

      @@error9900 maybe he hadn’t heard it. Or maybe he simply didn’t like him.

  • @ericrobinson3995
    @ericrobinson3995 14 дней назад +4

    I used to be a big fan of Wynton when I was younger but now he bores me--it's like jazz is the universal solution for everything with him, 'You know, jazz will take your kids to school!', 'Jazz can pay your taxes!' 'If you're going through a divorce, listen to jazz and you'll be fine'....

  • @jorgealbertopitari6351
    @jorgealbertopitari6351 5 месяцев назад +2

    Pero era el año 1987... hay estamos en el 2024...!!!

  • @paulwomack5866
    @paulwomack5866 18 дней назад +1

    Miles is evidently a paid up member of the Buddy Rich/Ginger Baker school when it come to appreciating others

  • @HeathWatts
    @HeathWatts 29 дней назад +5

    The story of Wynton's life. Good trumpet player without anything extra. Of course, most people thought he was great because people pay attention to the next new thing, even if it's inferior to what came before it.

  • @grouchosays
    @grouchosays 23 дня назад +3

    I made up a joke. What’s the difference between a Wynton Jazz concert and a Wynton classical concert? The audience.

  • @Harry_Gurvich
    @Harry_Gurvich 19 дней назад +1

    Miles' dedication and love of the music, the art of music, is no more, or less than that of Wynton. Of that I am sure. Any other comparison is what you make of it

  • @Paddy-power
    @Paddy-power 5 месяцев назад +14

    I love Miles’s quote. It’s easy to play many notes but it’s harder to pause and play as little as possible

    • @edddo4314
      @edddo4314 5 месяцев назад +1

      I completely understand what does it means. But what I do NOT understand is what this has to do with Wynton. He's completely capable of "pausing" and "playing as little as possible" and actually that was the reason he came to my radar and I became a fan of his many years ago when I saw some concert on tv, there was a solo of his in very minimalistic style. And since then I've heard so much of him, I never enjoy those "many notes players", Wynton ain't one of them. He has a special groove for sure. He definitely CAN pause.
      It doesn't mean that you should NEVER play "as many notes as possible", sometimes it sounds good.

    • @Paddy-power
      @Paddy-power 5 месяцев назад +1

      I’d never criticise Wyntons playing- he’s a monster player versatile and technically accomplished. But Miles style and interpretation is unique and unmatched. It’s not about an amount of the notes it’s much more than that if you know what I mean

    • @edddo4314
      @edddo4314 5 месяцев назад

      @@Paddy-power I know what you mean. That's exactly what I like in music. But what I'm saying is - I don't understand why Wynton is in the conversation about "amount of the notes". Every note he's playing has a meaning. There are so many trumpet players who sounds like they want to play as much (and as high) notes as possible, Wynton is not one of them.

    • @Paddy-power
      @Paddy-power 5 месяцев назад

      Wyntons not in conversation. You may be overanalysing my original comment

  • @bobjames5264
    @bobjames5264 9 дней назад

    Miles was being nice here. 😅 I’ve always said that the Miles/Wynton juxtaposition was backwards: the old head was trying to move forward and innovate, while the young buck was stuck in the past. Yes, Wynton is a master trumpet player; possibly the most technically gifted jazz trumpet player ever. But it means more to me if you can play AND you changed music forever.

  • @BradBolin
    @BradBolin 22 дня назад +2

    I agree with Miles. The greatest artists have 😊something more than technical ability. It's a pronounced, original perspective or something. Marsalis doesn't have it; he is a maintainer, not an innovator. Technical ability is secondary, in fact. Think of Bob Dylan's vocals. Miles Davis has a forceful personality and perspective. He is a great artist.

  • @myseanmiller3186
    @myseanmiller3186 Месяц назад

    My belief is preference... everyone know Mr. Miles Davis and his sound. I'm fairly young at 50 plus and I just love Wynton's sound and style of playing. Trombone shorty is another monster for me.

  • @dhirschorn1
    @dhirschorn1 Месяц назад +4

    As Pat Metheny said, something somewhat troubling happened in 1982 when people came on the scene who were playing music for their parents. That is the story of WM.

  • @garygomesvedicastrology
    @garygomesvedicastrology День назад

    Miles wasn't the only musician to say this about Wynton Marsalis. When I think of great virtuoso trumpeters (Woody Shaw, Dizzy Gillespie, Freddie Hubbard and others who came later) they knew the history but were also interested in moving forward. Marsalis is almost like a classical musician playing jazz in the way it's "supposed to be played". One of the things I love about jazz is it is values individual expression and innovation. I don't really hesr that from Marsalis, in any environment, even playing Ornette 's material or playing with Clapton.
    Great technician, though; but while I admire his slickness, I don't find his music that interesting to me. (I grew up with a lot of 60s and 70s free jazz.)

  • @postatility9703
    @postatility9703 7 месяцев назад +8

    But Wynton's scope-within the older tradition-did widen in subsequent years.He found and solidly built upon his niche. Not every musician is as adventurous in the same manner as Miles was.In fact very few are true musical pioneers,as he was for several decades.

    • @radikai
      @radikai 5 месяцев назад +2

      I think the context of this is Wynton had been critical of Miles for going electric, which offended Marsalis' idea of the proper acoustic roots of jazz. Wynton's cultural conservatism comes through in his (perfectly nice, but) comparatively very derivative and unimaginative playing.

  • @petenrita
    @petenrita 20 дней назад

    The guy was on that very special level.

  • @vitocreamerelli4909
    @vitocreamerelli4909 16 дней назад +1

    Where can I find this entire interview?

  • @improvsax
    @improvsax 17 дней назад +2

    Exactly what I always thought of Wynton.

  • @ChuckParDueMusic
    @ChuckParDueMusic 20 дней назад +1

    I keep my Wynton Marsalis records right next to my Miles Davis records.
    Oh wait...I don’t own any Miles Davis records!
    (Or Wynton!)

  • @patrickpowers3850
    @patrickpowers3850 14 дней назад +1

    Pretty accurate.

  • @bobbyjohnstonmusic8260
    @bobbyjohnstonmusic8260 29 дней назад +2

    KING OF COOL!!!

  • @skpince
    @skpince 17 дней назад +2

    I agree with Miles. He's the Buddha, the Nirvana of the trumpet. I was lucky to have seen him live way back in the early nineties. God bless him.

  • @JazzyJonas
    @JazzyJonas Месяц назад +1

    To be fair, this was more true in '87 than it is now.

  • @LeftCoast_TomP
    @LeftCoast_TomP 15 дней назад +2

    Not that I have heard everything that Wynton has recorded but it is like he is so skilled and knowledgeable that even when improvising he is in total control. I don't think anyone is going to say Wynton's style changed jazz forever. The flip side is there has been so much discovery with jazz it makes it kind of hard to come up with an earth shaking new direction.

  • @blueabattoir
    @blueabattoir 9 месяцев назад +17

    I remember a concert in 1986 when Davis was on stage and Marsalis walked on hoping to play but Davis shooed him off the stage. It was weird but that’s Miles. I would have liked to see them play together but Miles needs the spotlight.

    • @percyvolnar8010
      @percyvolnar8010 6 месяцев назад +18

      No. It wasn't weird. It was a matter of RESPECT. The concert promoter told Wynton to walk out on stage during miles set and challenge him. Wynton came out and told miles "Hey, they told me to come out here..." and Miles told him to get the @%# off the stage.

  • @ArmenChakmakian
    @ArmenChakmakian 29 дней назад +1

    At this point in his life, Miles Davis said he was bored with jazz. Marsalis is obviously a fantastic horn player. Stylistically though, it wasn’t Miles’s cup of tea.

  • @jasperchance3382
    @jasperchance3382 24 дня назад +1

    So talks the man who was told by Bird to use a mute because his tone was ridiculous. Good thing he chose to innovate.

  • @danapollo
    @danapollo Год назад +14

    Funny he thinks that, cause Keith Jarrett isn’t very pleased with Wynton either

  • @Brainer-pf9xw
    @Brainer-pf9xw 20 дней назад +4

    My dream is playing the trumpet as Wynton does … nothing else …

  • @kylezo
    @kylezo 16 дней назад

    This was around the time miles was saying jazz is boring so he would have had this same criticism of every single player other than himself

  • @MK-qm8xq
    @MK-qm8xq 28 дней назад +1

    Miles was a great musician. He should be taken seriously while he's playing music. It's best to leave it at that.

  • @mrtwint1
    @mrtwint1 14 дней назад

    I would like to know Wyntons response to Miles critique of Wyntons musical approach…

  • @eugenespencer9932
    @eugenespencer9932 13 дней назад

    We knocked what he was really saying 😂😂

  • @jacobsmithjr
    @jacobsmithjr 5 месяцев назад +3

    The same could be said of Myles when he joined Charlie Parker after Dizzy left. He was young. What would Dizzy say of Myles' playing back in the day.

    • @viper_2
      @viper_2 4 месяца назад +2

      He’s talking more of the politics around jazz rather than the playing itself

    • @19Lqueen17
      @19Lqueen17 3 месяца назад +5

      But Miles was always looking foward. Dude was in the forefront of almost every jazz movement since de 50s. He also put the spotlight over a lot os major jazz musicians of our time, Coltrane, Cannonball, Hancock, Shorter, Ron Carter, Tony Williams, Mike Stern, Keith Jarrett, Chick Corea and several others.
      What did Wynton do? I think now, in the 2020s we can say that Wynton did not achieve a 10th of what Miles did. He is a good trumpet player that is always looking backwards, ignoring new styles of music and jazz expression. A really snobish guy in terms of music.
      He's a good trumpet player, though, as Miles says. But just that. We could also argue that he is a better trumpet player than Miles ever was. But who marked the jazz forever?
      Miles Davis.

    • @fazeman4
      @fazeman4 2 месяца назад +1

      Especially when Brownie passed away. If he had still been living, he would have hardly been recognized.

  • @production58
    @production58 25 дней назад

    Miles Davis had great imagination and everything that he played whether you liked it or not.. he proved that decades.. Winton plays with just a jazz sensibility.. and like Miles says he’s a good trumpet player.. when he did the album black code from the underground there was a spark of that creativity that could’ve been.. but he turned his back on it.. and that I believe was his mistake..

  • @andrewhunter5037
    @andrewhunter5037 28 дней назад +2

    He's saying Wynton didn't have his own sound. From what I've heard of Wynton, he's most interesting when he's playing either Dixieland or classical, but not Bebop.

  • @mb7196
    @mb7196 29 дней назад

    This isn't very long after the infamous Vancouver Jazz fest incident. When I saw the title of this video I was expecting much worse...haha.

  • @firstlast4874
    @firstlast4874 21 день назад +1

    Like Freddie Hubbard said, “Wynton don’t play no hip shit”

    • @gie51917
      @gie51917 18 дней назад

      hahaha, did he really say that?

    • @firstlast4874
      @firstlast4874 18 дней назад +1

      @@gie51917 AFAIK. I've seen it multiple times over the years. Freddie was pretty ferocious in his prime. I don't think Wynton would want to get in a cutting contest with him

    • @gie51917
      @gie51917 18 дней назад +1

      @@firstlast4874 Neither would I, haha. What a legend. Now I'm going to play Out To Lunch in his memory.

  • @Michael_talks_
    @Michael_talks_ 16 дней назад

    Miles is the greatest musician of all time

  • @fransbuijs808
    @fransbuijs808 15 дней назад +2

    So Miles knows how to mak 0:03 e somebody a compliment (he's a good trumpet player) three times and still not make it sound like a compliment.

  • @tyronejoihnson7046
    @tyronejoihnson7046 13 дней назад +1

    When Wynton heard this, he made sure Miles couldn’t get his heroin.

  • @waltersmith7156
    @waltersmith7156 25 дней назад +1

    If Miles Davis critiques your musical abilities, listen and learn.
    It should be that simple.

    • @jamesrawlins735
      @jamesrawlins735 24 дня назад +1

      well - when he calls Oscar Peterson just a technician who used the same bag of tricks over and over, I'm sorry I have major disagreement with.

    • @waltersmith7156
      @waltersmith7156 24 дня назад

      @@jamesrawlins735
      It’s possible to disagree, listen and learn although most people wont listen and learn once they disagree

    • @tonebrennan8475
      @tonebrennan8475 День назад

      @@waltersmith7156 Truer words never spoken!

  • @donpaulweatherpluspaul2670
    @donpaulweatherpluspaul2670 18 дней назад

    I'm hopeless. While I recognize Miles as a unique innovator, I'll take Wynton and Jack Sheldon over his playing any day. Miles reminds me of Marlin Brando. Brilliant, unlike any other, but no fun most of the time. (Marlin at least knew how to be silly, once in a while). My favorite Davis tiny riff? The little intro into Eddie Mueller's Noir Alley. Wonderful to have that cool, cool open back again.

  • @rioace3953
    @rioace3953 25 дней назад

    Basically the Ponzy scheme financier said, Marsalis was an academic (which mind you by and in itself a real achievement). While to him accounting is art

  • @stpd1957
    @stpd1957 17 дней назад

    Wynton also leads the Essential Ellington programme.

  • @GordonLF
    @GordonLF 21 день назад

    Right on point 40 years ago. Nowadays he could have found more and nicer ways to opine about Wynton.

  • @MichaelEdelman1954
    @MichaelEdelman1954 27 дней назад +2

    Miles is one of the most innovative jazz musicians of his age, and created one of the best Jazz albums ever recorded- Kind of Blue. Maybe the best. Marsalis is an excellent classical trumpet player.

  • @jamesratner7889
    @jamesratner7889 9 дней назад

    This is accurate. But not everyone can be an innovator, or has a compelling unique voice in music, like Miles Davis. The same is true with Coltrane. Which tenor sax player sounds better than Coltrane, no matter how many transcriptions they have done.

  • @musashi-san____1409
    @musashi-san____1409 17 дней назад +1

    He was pretty much saying he was a bore with no personality.

  • @bristolfashion4421
    @bristolfashion4421 19 дней назад +1

    Dude invented cool…

  • @scottwebster695
    @scottwebster695 12 дней назад +1

    37 years later: nope Wynton's still the same.

  • @fido652
    @fido652 20 дней назад

    Wynton tweaks his pitch and sings with different timbres and tones that mediate that golden sound. If a musician has technique at that level as Marsalis does then I respect their artistic choices.

  • @1masterfader
    @1masterfader 15 дней назад +2

    Nothing extra. That's interesting. In other words Wynton paints by the numbers or plays by the numbers and doesn't go out of the box. I plays inside the lines. No diss he is great but does not push the bounds of the music.

  • @retrogamerdave362
    @retrogamerdave362 Месяц назад

    I agree, Marsalis is well-versed in what he does but he doesn't seek to break away, he's very traditional

    • @RB2331
      @RB2331 Месяц назад

      I agree everything he said he’s talented. Nothing special but very good. A cool guy, but don’t mention him in with me in any the same sentence.

  • @user-sk2fh5cl8y
    @user-sk2fh5cl8y 29 дней назад +1

    I saw Miles and Wynton play together in 88 in New Orleans. Miles was an arrogant ass to the audience and his fellow musicians. Shoving them around the stage and playing with his back to the audience. Hey Miles, there’s a lot more to being great than just playing the trumpet.

    • @THall-vi8cp
      @THall-vi8cp 17 дней назад +2

      Ironic, since Miles said the same thing here.

  • @JeffHogue-em6zx
    @JeffHogue-em6zx Месяц назад +1

    Wynton's classical playing gets in the way of his style in jazz..."too precise".

  • @Jaujau933
    @Jaujau933 16 дней назад

    Too much dope to make a real comment 😱