Jeremy Corbyn's Labour leadership campaign: behind the scenes exclusive | Owen Jones talks
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Have a look behind the scenes of the Jeremy Corbyn Labour leadership campaign. From barely making it on to the ballot paper, to Corbyn becoming the party's new leader with the biggest percentage in history. That was the easy bit though, the hard part is still to come.
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Like Owen keeps saying, this was the easy bit. Now we have to win over those who aren't on the left already; we need to convince the country that Jeremy's Labour is the way to go.
To do this, we absolutely must not use vile, sadistic language that our opponents surely will.
We must, MUST, love those who disagree with us, and those who hate us. We cannot win this campaign without love and care for those who oppose us, or who are not yet sure whether this is the right thing to do.
+Simalacrum damn right, we must have compassion for everyone even those who show no compassion towards us. I stand by the philosophy that acts of good are motivated by hope and acts of evil are motivated by fear. We can not win the next election by campaigning for what the tories are not much less we must campaign for what we stand for on our own terms; free of slander vitriol and negative campaigning. Such is the only effective thing to do and the only good thing to do.
+JamesFLivingstone here here 😃 x
+Simalacrum You have a long road ahead of you.
- You have to convince the English of the merits of sharing sovereignty of the Falklands with Argentina, because Corbyn believes this to be a good idea for some reason (my guess is irrational self-hatred, oikophobia) even though the Falklanders themselves are dead against it.
- You have to convince the armed forces in general that getting rid of the nuclear deterrent and passing tough cuts on the armed forces in an increasingly unpredictable and volatile world is a good idea.
- You have to convince the Northern Irish (who are in favour of the Union) that they have to join the Republic of Ireland.
- You have to convince everyone with an annual income of £50,000 or more (millions upon millions of previous Labour voters) that it's good for them to accept an instant 7% tax hike.
- You have to convince the extremely sceptical British public that, in addition to giving up a lot of wealth to redistribution schemes, they need to welcome hundreds of thousands of African and Middle Eastern men each year because Corbyn does not believe in borders.
+Simalacrum kinda sounding like some mad Christian evangelist there, but for you brother, i'll hoooold hands, i'll staaaaaay stroooong, and together, yes I say together! we'll make it to the promised land and gaze upon the face of the mighty Corbyn, yes indeed!!.....is that what you mean? it works! I feel totally convinced!!
Yes we must love each other and respect each others views...BUT you'll also need to forget what these far left policies did to the country before and try and understand why no other major economy follows them now.
Such a shame Tony Benn didn't live to see this.
+Dave Long. Well at least he's not in hell with Thatcher dave dong;)
+Spirit Level couldn't have said it better myself x
You again ...bloody hell *yawns *
+Leona charissa callon that jester Dave Long is a Tory troll
+Dave Long Because neoliberalism is working so well.
I have faith that with another five years Jeremy can overcome the bullshit in the media and if he wishes to stand, I'll vote for him to be Prime Minister. However, it's really not necessarily him I want, just his policies. I'd happily take anyone similar to Jeremy. We have to build on Jeremy and continue to push similar politicians like him for the future. Jeremy is aging and if he decides to not stand in 2020 or even step down as leader before 2020 then I wouldn't blame him. I just hope we have a "Jeremy Corbyn" figure standing in 2020.
Before Jeremy came along I was ready to leave the UK and I will leave if the Tories win in 2020 and I'll never come back, except to cast my vote for a better Britain, until we have a better Britain.
Do you not remember the 70's?
Daniel May What does that have to do with it?
+Daniel May Would you not agree that we live in a different world now?
+Gareth Wareth Yes, its all about the policies really, although Corbyn seems like a fundamentally decent man with values that are unusual in politicians.
SJW101, the political gamer Yeah. I hope he does get a crack at being MP though. I think he deserves it based on what he's done throughout his career. Always been on the right side of history. I fully trust him. The only politician I fully trust.
People are waking up!
Hope Jeremy wakes up all the self serving Middle England Tory voters if they actually listen to what he has to say and not the Tory right wing press and TV who put lies in there heads.
Good luck Jeremy hope you take it to the bastards and keep up the good work Owen 👍🏻
I wish I could transport you back in time to when these policies were last tried...you might think differently. As it is you may have to find out the hard way.
+adam c i really feel sorry for you lot. i actually respect how all you socialists rallied for what you want, its just a shame that you have such an anti british, dull boring politician to pin your hopes on.
+musclerent So what happened in those times?
+chebs8888 about 40 years ago now. Very weak pound, sky high inflation, nationalised industries increasingly inefficient and reliant on state aid...remember you can't choose what phone, gas or electric company you want, there was no choice. industrial unrest because workers wanted 30+% rises to match inflation which nobody could pay and indeed would lead to more inflation. currency controls where you could only physically take a small about of cash out of the country. Oh and the IMF had to bail the country out as we were bankrupt just like Greece. ..and this was under a Labour government!.
+ojc321 👍
I love this video Owen Jones thanks so much for supporting this movement and revealing truth to the British people.
***** So what are you trying to say?
+Dave Long does this mean you will keep your opinions and comments to yourself in the future?......I doubt it!
***** Now your just talking shit
+Dave Long Hey, You come here often?
***** Your talking like you got a masters degree in talking shit
As a young voter who felt disenfranchised after the general election, It is so exciting to have Corbs becoming more and more well received. I think I'm going to have a lot to thank him for a few years down the line.
+sellingfullwheat Where will he get the money, and what will his policies do in the long run? My concern as someone who used to be on the extreme left is that the left tends to promise voters a lot that it really cannot deliver.
Look at what Britain turned into in the 1960s and 1970s - a country so slow, broken by strikes, inflated and lethargic that investors would even prefer investment in France over investment in Britain. That's where the attitude that the state should care for a majority of people gets you. A nation of entitled people being conned by power-hungry politicians who burn their country's future to fan the flames of their own popularity.
If you support Corbyn, Well you will continue to be more disenfranchised.
hmm
So how did that turn out, were you thankful for him leading the party to worst election since 1935?
I've never felt so proud of being a part of this movement. This is it!
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+WorkingClassConservative I disagree, but understand your comments and why you would say that. :-D
+WorkingClassConservative Aspirations are one thing, the mechanics of money are another. Money only has value because someone else doesn't have it. And the more money you earn, the more debt is created and the more debt is pushed onto others. Or to put it in starker terms, for every dollar out of debt you are, somewhere else in the system someone is pushed a dollar into debt. Even old skool scientists like Einstein and Thomas Edison understood this. Under capitalism, "monetary aspirations" have negative knock on effects. End result, a planet in which 80 percent of the people are poor and the majority own no land.
***** Your quoting from the Conservative propaganda video, Conveniently taken out of context. Corbyn understands the need to talk to all sides rather than bomb everything and everyone and not to worry about collateral damage to me that seems pretty reasonable and not a knee jerk reaction thats resulted in the loss of lives on all sides. 50k a year is more than most people make so yes 7% is fair. Average wages in Britain are 26k a year and there are people who are lower on 11k a year, its nothing to do with aspirations these essential jobs will need doing regardless of how many highly skilled people they may be surely they deserve a reasonable quality of life rather than struggle?
***** well im sure those figures have been spinarized... As far as I know no complete economic plan has been set yet. I missed the point about bin Laden... In a civilised society we dont just assassinate people... We put them on trial... And im with corbyn on that its a tragedy that he did not go on trial for his heinous crimes.
+Owen Jones I asked myself what the differences are to Michael Foot (elected Party Leader 1980).
1. Michael was a Professor of Literature strayed into politics. Jeremy is a socialist with a thorough trackrecord as a constituency MP.
2. Michael fought the '83 election against a backwash of support for Thatcher's Falklands "victory". Nothing of the kind will happen to Cameron.
3. In 1983, neoliberalism (monetarism) was still being given a chance (despite appalling Tory unemployment figures). Now, it has (with a still-unsolved banking crisis) historically lost the plot and functions in zombie-mode.
4. Michael had to face down the SDP founded by the Gang of Four, all ex-Labour heavyweights. Unthinkable that a similar faction of ex-ministers will boost the ranks of the LibDems. If they get Blair, they'll sink forever. But Farron knows this.
5. Believe me, nuclear disarmament was the voice of reason even in 1980. Now, we don't even have a "Soviet Threat", just pure rightwing paranoia.
6. Michael was elected by the parliamentary party in a number of selection rounds. Jeremy was elected by a huge surge of basis-democracy.
I cried my eyes out watching this. JEZ WE DID! so bloody proud of you xxx
+Dave Long why are you here then?
+Dave Long piss off troll, it's boring really.
I just don't acknowledge them now. I had some people like him the other day saying I would be sexually abused because I'm a loony lefty. fucking disgusting.
+Dave Long *ignores all the inequalities in society that put up opportunity barriers for people*
*yawns* boring. Dave you seem to aped your whole life on RUclips talking about people like jeremy . I think you must secretly like him 😉
Thanks Owen, this made me cry with happiness! Im also featured for a brief moment. Thanks for everything Owen. :)
Wow, go Owen. This movement is so inspiring. It has really helped reinvigorate my enthusiasm for UK politics. I'm 34, have never voted before (my fault, I never saw any point) but i will do all I can to get behind a party that truly wants a fairer society. In future videos please advise what I can do (if anything) to help.
+Funky Chicken Dipper The fairest society would abandon central government altogether and let us decide how to live our lives. It is then that people would learn the true value and necessity of cooperation. It is the current system (of centralised government) that allows for the "only me" attitude to prosper.
I'm almost 34 myself and like you, I hadn't voted at all but went with Conservative this time based on the promise of an EU referendum (one step at a time towards autonomy). Had Labour been the party offering it instead, I likely would have gone with them.
+Abdirahman Abdalla ... Yes it would be ideal! Why do you think it would be unworkable?
+Funky Chicken Dipper I recommend this question. :)
There are problems associated with any "system" depending on who you ask.
I can look up and find problems with anarchy just as I can look up and find problems with state-sponsored socialism. The thing is, I can't converse with a webpage :)
I am hoping to have my ideas/opinions challenged, as if I don't, how can I measure their worth?
If you have the time, would you care to present one problem with anarchism so I can attempt a rebuttal? No problem if you don't of course.
***** Cool. I have no interest in the typical internet-style "discussions".
Ok, first of all, without central government there would be no welfare state/NHS as we know it, arguably reducing the incentive for refugees/migrants to come in the first place.
Second, without government the obligatory tax system would also disappear. An individual would then have most/all of the resources their labour produced to distribute as they see fit.
I don't think that we need to assume that there are many people concerned with border control. These individuals can then choose to allocate resources voluntarily to a private organisation set up to provide the service. "Resources" can be some form of payment or an individual's time. Perhaps border control means so much to somebody that they would be happy to volunteer one day a week.
Owen my friend (or literally anybody), anything to say on Tim Farron!
Also, holy shit, Owen can give speeches!
this made me emotional! someone and something that gives me hope for the future as a 16 year old
Watching this brought back all of Saturday's tears. I'd been a branch secretary, branch chair, and constituency press officer, but after nearly a quarter of a century's membership, I left the party in the early naughties. I had become very disillusioned when my local Labour MP supported Tony Blair's gerrymandering of the Welsh leadership election after Ron Davies' resignation. Subsequent events made me wonder whether it had all been a waste of time.
Over the last few years, I supported all sorts of campaigns, like 38 degrees, but largely wrote-off the Labour Party. I expected some sort of PASOKification, as occurred in Scotland. When Jeremy announced he was standing, there was a flicker of hope: I registered as a £3 supporter, gave some money to the campaign, and kept my fingers crossed. The result was fantastic, and I rejoined the party within an hour of its announcement. I am looking forward to the first branch meeting, intending to keep a lowish profile, but I am back!
Thanks to Jeremy, you and all the team who made it possible!
As a young ethnic minority, for the first time ever, I feel a sense of hope. I usually wake up to depressing news, when Jeremy won, I have felt a sense of connection and hope.
Your an ethnic minority? Does that mean you should get more stuff or something?
The only thing that makes me a bit sad is that Tony Benn could not experience that great triumph anymore
Great Stuff.... Made me feel really emotional all over again!..
An incredible result, an outstanding leader and a necessary movement.
Thank you Owen for for the part you have played in this campaign, and for all you have done before to spread a desperately needed message of hope.
All of us that are truly passionate about real change need to do our part to help Jeremy succeed in 2020. Whether that be joining the party as full members, donating, protesting or volunteering. A video explaining how people can help with this movement would be fantastic.
Keep up the good fight brother.
Fantastic video. After the election defeat in May I thought we were off to hell in a hand basket, nothing to hope for, Tories running rampant (deaths thanks to the DWP come to mind). But the shock when Jeremy won on Saturday a mix of being truly amazed and the weirdest feeling of hope. There is a chance out there for a better future it's not all austerity and screw the poor, people can and are making a difference.
Godspeed Owen, this is going to be fucking insane.
Any chance of a McDonnell interview Owen? Would be nice to get to know the guy and see what he's about, and I know you used to work for him
Ive never seen a politition who gave so many hugs
Nice little film! Owen, can you answer one question I have about one of Jeremy's more popular policies: nationalising the railways. What do you (and others) think are the main benefits of nationalising the railways?
Owen, you've told us the Jeremy Corbyn movement will only work if we band together and create and strong grassroots movement. However can you please give us more information on how to do it. Are there websites with meetings, or would you prefer us canvassing? Any guidance would be fantastic. I'm at university in Newcastle and am very much interested in getting involved with helping out the movement. Thanks
Owen, do you think that you could ever work for Jeramy Corbyn in a full time roll such as Media advisor or something like that?
Wonderful, I was 51 yesterday and wondered if I would ever see a Labour party I could believe in again. Happily it seems I may have more hope for the future of my Children and those children of others still in the UK. I emigrated to Sweden in 2010 but can=t really describe the joy Jeremy=s election has given me.
What's your thoughts on the Fabian Society Owen? Are you a member? Will JC become one (if he's not already)??? Over 200 in Parliament and every Labour Prime Minister has been one. Do you know much of their History?
I'm not crying at all
Wow
I've never been so excited to support a political movement before. I hope the rest of my generation feel the same way.
Keep JC close to your heart
Jeremy Corbyn is an old man who has presented old ideas as new to those who are too young to remember why those ideas failed.
Do a video on John Mc Donnell!
We want to know your analysis of him.
Positives and negatives of having him as Shadow Chancellor etc.
Come on!
My Party has gone mad
Love this channel.
Great video. Now we need to keep up this momentum for the next 5 years and beyond. When people come together, nothing is impossible.
Absolutely amazing video Owen, loved every second of it - great editing to summarise an event rarely seen in politics. From a political outsider who only got on the ballot because of a need to widen the debate to a phenomenal victory. I really hope the Labour Party can unite together to stand up for what Labour has now decided to believe in and to get the tories out of power.
Im getting goosebumps of joy for you. Congratulations over from Denmark :)
Fantastic. glad i wasn't the only one in tears when it was announced.
How can anyone be for affordable housing and higher wages and at the same time support mass immigration and open borders? High demand = low wages and high property prices and high rents. Yes, you could tax the crap out of the richest people, but do that and most of them will just transfer their wealth abroad or move to a cheaper country, as they always do. I've asked this question 10 times already, I still can't get an answer.
So far I don't think it's going very well, already the media are beginning to portray him as an unelectable extremist. It's hard to think any kind of response will be good enough to withstand 5 years of constant pressure.
Hello Owen. I agree with most of Corbyn's ideas, but there's two in particular I really dislike.
1a. Corbyn wants to have a dialogue with Argentina where he's open to "joint administration" of the Falkland Islands.
I'm not some exceptionally patriotic person, but looking at the history of the Islands, I do not for the life of me see why they have any right to them, the only possible reason they have is proximity. No Argentinians naturally lived there, nor did any natives, the first people to be recorded landing there were British. There was some handing around between Colonial powers, but if everyone there regards themselves as British, why even have such a dialogue, isn't this just a land grab under the guise of pretending this land was stolen from them? Not everywhere that the British colonised was stolen from other civilisations, just because it's near to them, doesn't actually mean they should own it.
b. Northern Ireland, as far as I'm aware the majority of people in the North wish to remain a part of Britain. I don't understand why pushing them together, when the situation has been getting more peaceful over time is necessary? Self determination is about people deciding, *for themselves*.
2. Women only rail carriages. I honestly find this to be a joke. Being sexually harrassed on public transportation is a serious issue, one that needs to be dealt with by better policing, awareness and less congested/better run trains (something I hope we achieve with renationalisation). Women only carriages is a solution you would find in the middle east, treating men as if they're uncontrollable sex pests, and separating the genders like they can't be trusted together. It seems to be a step back, to a potentially prudish and backward state of affairs.
Thanks Owen.
He is great human being
I love how you put on a northern accent during the speech. :)
Scotland and Ireland
I think my understanding is correct that JC wants a unified Ireland and was fairly important in bringing about peace there. Which is great. Amazing even. I feel like I need help from Owen to find out more on JC's views or even what he may suspect his views are on an independent Scotland. I don't get the impression JC cares much about it and sees it as something for the people of Scotland to decided, which is of course true but for me it leaves the annoying question.
How can you support one countries cause and not the other?
Scotland has a government now and government infrastructure. It's perfectly capable of managing its own affairs and It will in the future but it could happen a lot quicker if JC got up to speed on this constitutional issue and not just from Neil Findlay. Scot lab approach of party before people doesn't work anymore and if you've been to certain parts of Glasgow you may wonder if it ever did work really #TLDR
I was at a wedding just across the road and saw all of y'all in that pub. Just saying
I'd wait for him to be elected as PM before chanting 'Jez We Did'. Obama's 'yes we can' wasn't a slogan for his candidature as the Democratic nominee. Defeating Cooper, Burnham and Kendall can hardly be considered a shocking achievement.
Owen seems to be a great orator!!
Do you concur with Jeremy Corbyn's views on Irish Reunification? As someone from Northern Ireland I consider myself left wing but also would like to remain in the United Kingdom. Thoughts?
What skin products do you use Owen? You look flawless
+SerendipIzzy Blairite Tears mixed with the Blood of his Vanquished Enemies.
he started puberty when he was 19 lol
+SerendipIzzy lol thats a funny comment :)
Its just beautiful. You are the voice I trust, The light of the end of the tunnel
Bring it on!!
well done. great to see this and looking forward to the full version :-)
This gives me hope! Thank you Owen! Thank you Jeremy! I wish I could come over and help organize this Labour fight back!
Watch for Owen Jones to run for parliament in 2020....
Which I welcome. We certainly need strong voices like OJ's in Parliament.
Very inspiring to see JC as the new Labour leader.
I certainly credit the Occupy Movement for the rise of JC.... We see the same thing happening in America w/ Bernie Sanders.
Sadly, this left-wing uprising is lacking in places like Canada.
Jeremy becoming leader is grate but is anyone else anxious about John McDonnell as shadow chancellor as he has a habit of being quite confrontational.
There's a lot that I agree with you on Owen, but I think you make the mistake of thinking that the most PC approach to life is the right approach.
Viva Jeremy, viva, viva.
Owen Smith as much as i dislike him, seems the only viable labour candidate that appeals to outside the labour fan base and supporters. Which should be Corbyn's priority as well if he hopes to be PM.
Really made up for Jeremy and for the whole country. An honest man in charge of Labour.
Best thing to happen to Britain. Wake up Britain.
Absolutely brilliant film. Hope has come at last. Well done Owen as well.
Well, I'm not convinced
Interview Maurice Glasman about Blue Labour please.
"Democratic Socialism, an ancient weapon, from a more civilised age..."
So excited for the future!
obi wan will teach young luke skywalker (owen jones) the force
Well done Owen! Well done Jeremy!
Excellent.
Such a beautiful video I felt the real emotion at the triamph. Loving the Owen and Jeremy bromance and man hugs :D
Owen he needs someone (maybe you!) to advise him about the media and get a decent spin doctor.
As much as I loathed Blair and New Labour, Alistair Campbell recognised the importance of getting the right-wing press on board.
If he keeps doing interviews for Channel 4 News he'll be preaching to the converted like myself.
He needs to go on a charm offensive to get the doubters on board else he'll end up like Milliband.
He has inspired me (a working class woman) and thousands of others to rejoin Labour and a new generation who thought politics didn't represent them.
If he doesn't get on top of these things he will be forced out by the unsympathetic sections of the party and the press.
Hope will turn to despair. I hope things will improve for him as he hasn't had the best start and this is coming from someone who voted for him!
Owen Jones is too young to remember 1983.
AMAZING
a decade more in opposition for us
Question, what other country in the world pursues these policies and is successful?. Answer, there isn't one!.
Go JC!
We now have a credible Opposition party. I'm excited to see what this will bring.
"Jez we can". The irony is just too painful. This whole charade just reeks of the original Obama campaign where millions foolishly placed ridiculous expectations of hope in one politician and his ideology. Nothing but a huge explosion of naivety.
None of these policies are new. They have been tried before and it led to extremely high inflation and having to be baled out by the IMF. For years we were seen as the poor men of Europe, as a boy I remember hotels Germany not wanting to accept English currency and that was the 1970's. As for British rail, the power and phone companies they were useless, no competition and forever being subsidised by the tax payer. We live in a wealthy nation with a minimum wage that's increasing to be one of the highest around don't flush that down the toilet and go back to failed 1960/1970 semi communist policies that made us a joke nation!.
+musclerent the privatised rail companies get three times the subsidies that british rail got,semi communist policies,grow up I cant rememder semi communist policies,between 1960/1970,i grew up in this period a period of optimism,the beatles,a very colourful time,for innovative fashion,music and art,full employment,and working people having a bit of dignity,the start of gay liberation,women starting to get a few rights,and other liberatory things,get your facts right.jpj
+John Johnson the subsidies are greater but not in real terms. The cost of the railways was more than the government could afford all those years ago hence the reason that much of it was closed down. I never said it wasn't colorful etc etc, but being restricted to the state owned gas, electricity, water and phone company was hardly a facet of a free market was it. Restricting the amount of cash anyone could take out of the country wasn't free market either. Wilson was suspected by the Americans at the time of being a Russian spy, one thing that cannot be denied is that he spent much of his early years in Russia. And as for your personal comment about growing up I'd simply say just look at the facts, it seems you have a very short memory
the jibe that Wilson was a Russian spy is straight out of wacky rightwing conspiracy theories,in fact it was atlee who brought the energy companies together,particularly as the electricity companies had many different voltages and had to be standardised,as for water,it is still delivered by a monopoly,a private monopoly,how you can compare these social democratic reforms with the regimes in eastern Europe again smacks of rightwing paranoia,all I know ,as I stated before, the subsidies to the privatised railways are three times what they were under british rail,i also think that the beeching cuts were more to do with ideology,and the influence of road lobby,that cost,jpj
+John Johnson I said he was suspected of being a spy by the Americans...This has been widely documented and is fact. You must remember this was during the cold war...and now we have Jeremy Corbyn refusing to sing the national anthem but has no trouble singing the red flag
stop the mc,arthyite conspiracies,i to have trouble with an unelected head of state,which I see as a relic of feudalism,singing the red flag does not mean you are pro soviet,the labour party always sang this under whatever leader they had,i am not a member of the labour party personally,but I will answer this sort of smear campaign.jpj
Yay
Owen: Do you know if Jeremy Corbyn is going to form a council of economic advisers, like mentioned in the comments at mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/labour-lost.html - the blog owner, Prof Simon Wren-Lewis has offered (and might even be a fan of yours!) This will help give his policies economic credibility to counter the argument from the right that he poses a "serious risk to.. our economy's security"
Fucking game on now 😄
Time to wake up Britain :)
#Jeremy4PM
sooo.....how long before he gets shot or dies of some mysterious illness or accident?
whatever he is, he aint establishment, they hate him lol. the media is gonna trash him like they did farage, although there is a limit to how effective that can be cos he actually comes across as a decent person.
hes backed down on trident? news to me.
hes too left to be accepted by the establishment. hes appointed a lifelong socialist as shadow chancellor. he wants to taxthe rich more, thats a big no no for the establishment and they will make sure he don't get into power
the media will do what it can to discredit him.
and the blairites in his party will be waiting to knife him in the back.
btw i take it your pro establishment as in libdems/new labour/torys/ukip supporter?
the reason people like corbyn is cos hes the only leader other than caroline lucas who wants to protect the NHS, provide more jobs, build enough homes for every to stop spiraling rents and genuinely fighting for a fairer britian and better quality of life for all.
im not bothered abut trident.
as for EU membership, i think we should wait and see what camerons renegotiation is.
i will probs vote to stay in the EU at the referendum but that may still change
fair play, but i don't think he has taken a firm stance on the EU. my understanding from what he has said is that he will decide wether hes pro EU or against based on what happens between now and near to the referendum.
i think thats a sensible approach
Crying
AWESOME! Owen hun - I know you are a man if principle, a man that believes in playing fair. I do NOT LOL. I am in HEAVEN 1. Jeremy winning 2. Piggate! It's like a gift from the Gods. Do you have sympathy for pigs - how do you feel about dirt coming to light?
Document of failure.
:)
He is great human being