For anyone highly confused about who the heck this is and actually wants to know, I'll leave the details we know of down below. Click not if thou fear spoilers. There seems to be a lot of misconception in the comments, so I'll stick to the facts for my initial explanation. This character, "Idea Luka" or "Idea Lukas" (I don't think we know yet if that translation is supposed to be "Lukas" or not), first appears not in Paradox, but in the h-game called Three Charms (specifically the third and newest entry, Lonesome Spirit). This is due to the two games having collaboration scenarios between them. Said game is not translated yet, but I got a basic overview of what happens from someone who machine translated it while playing. Our little Promestein and a couple minor MGQ characters get thrown into the world of Three Charms, where over the course of their stay they are attacked by what appears to be Luka. Eventually Promestein learns that it isn't Luka, but rather an invading high-class Apoptosis (it's unclear if it's XX-class or not, might just be a high ranking one but not on the level of Adramelech). The basic English translation given by the player was something along the lines of Metamo-Metemo, but no translator has probably named the entity in English yet to my knowledge. Anyway, this incredibly strong Apoptosis has the ability to "download" genetic material from other worlds into itself. The details are blurry but it's clear that it can "become" other characters, like Luka. When push comes to shove, the Apoptosis begins downloading once again to become something stronger. However, it downloads the data of three different entities all at once. "Angel Killer Heinrich". "Monster Lord Slayer Marcellus". And the final, which is glitchy, as if the Apoptosis itself doesn't fully know what it's downloading, "Father of Chaos Luka". It then becomes the entity known as Idea Luka(s), who's described as the very personification of the hero's bloodline. Luckily for the entire universe, Promestein isn't stupid, realizes it cannot be beaten, and shoves that bitch into a portal mid-transformation. Where it's apparently "recruited" by a certain Apiro Lagos, into the Apostles of Chaos... Other than showing off Idea Luka(s), the collab properly debuts the Alliance of Wisdom (which was only referenced in part 2's aftergame teaser), apparently being composed of former members of the Seekers of the Truth (Promestein, Laplace, La Croix, Lucia and Lily even though she wasn't an original member don't think too hard about it). All of these members come from different, destroyed parallel worlds, and might be striving to save the multiverse in their own way. My bet is that they'll become our best friends during the "third way/route". A neat detail is that they refer to our little Promestein as "Promestein Beta (using the beta symbol)", and treat her with importance as far as I know. Going back to Idea Luka(s), they are now a member of the Apostles of Chaos. Or was a member. Is a member. Remember, these guys transcend time and space so "when" isn't a concept that exists with them. Why did Apiro Lagos recruit them? Well, we don't fully know, but it's said somewhere (I lost my source, feel free to correct or disbelieve) that every Apostle is a "system entity" given sentience. System entity seems to refer to beings created by the universe to fulfill tasks. White Rabbit may spring to mind first, but this seems to also fit Apoptosis, the universe's immune system, and even Reaper, though she's perhaps the most mysterious of all. Apiro Lagos is very clearly related to White Rabbit (my bets being what she has the potential to become, since as she directly says at the end of Paradox's collab scenario, she does not exist yet), and other Apostles we know from the image shown in the collab ending are Adramelech, Sonya Chaos, Idea Luka(s), and some Reaper-looking motherfucker. We see the Adramelech-like Apostle at the end of SHRIFT's collab scenario, where she's called "Cleo Adra". "Given sentience", however. It's likely that the Idea Luka(s) gained that sentience shortly after or immediately after "becoming" Idea Luka(s). As you can see from this video's image, Idea Luka(s) is now a fightable superboss in Labyrinth of Chaos. Talking to them will give dialogue wherein they take special interest in Sonya. This gets into each Apostle being a "Law", but for more info on that, go read up on the Apostles at the MGQ miraheze wiki. This post is already long enough. Hope this cleared things up for someone out there.
Wow thanks for the info :D , I was actually getting confused on who this guy really is since I haven't reached that part yet in the collaboration scenarios :-o
@@azure_blade As of a two days ago, the "second part" of Paradox's collab scenario, the time loop update, has been fully translated by the English team. SHRIFT's collab event is also translated (though does require playing through the entirety of SHRIFT first). So both of the Paradox collab updates are translated along with SHRIFT's. That just leaves the one I talked about, the Three Charms one. I follow the one guy currently translating this game, but it looks like it may take awhile. Anyway before I got off-track, you can play the entire collab in Paradox. Hope you have fun playing it!
It's "イデア・ルカス". "Luka" is "ルカ", so with the extra "ス" at the end, it's "Lukas". Whether that's supposed to denote that it's a plurality of different Luka's, or it's using the name Lukas to differentiate itself from Luka, remains to be seen. Apiro Lagos also seemed very keen to clarify that it *isn't* White Rabbit. Where Cleo Adra stands in relation to Adramelek also isn't easy to tell, but she seems to have way more agency than the apoptosis iteration.
The bells the way it spikes up at the starts, the way it calms down for a bit then spikes up again such uniqueness makes me addicted to this song. It just feels unique and chaotic. Reminds me of the menacing feeling of ultra necrozma's theme if you know you know. The feeling of the calamity mod's devourer of gods. The feeling of something you shouldn't fuck around with.
At first I thought the only features of Heinrich this guy had were the sun-like emblem in his clothes... But then I noticed... Those sort of... Wings. They kinda look like the same wings that the mysterious "Fallen Hero Heinrich" that was shown as a preview for Paradox 3.
Let's see, I've always had a vaguely idea about apoptosis, doomsday, and mayhem. Hild claims that her "master" created her to end this end of the world. It was supposed to wake up 800 years in the future, the question is why. Certainly Hild would not be a match for apoptosis since she was easily defeated by the hero's group, not to mention that she is an idiot and according to Promestein she has useless functions such as feelings, but the most interesting thing is to procreate. If you ask me, this sounds like a passage from the apocalypse, and well, we all already know that MGQ is based on Christianity or Gnosticism, well, I think I'm going around the bush; That biblical passage speaks about a virgin who is about to give birth and is chased by a dragon that seeks to kill the child in her womb, when the child is born he will kill the dragon and with his fiery sword he will bring the world to its knees. My theory is as follows: Hild is the virgin who will be chased by the dragon 800 years from now, the dragon is Black Alice, Luka should be the baby inside Hild's womb, Hild was supposed to take her remains and create a new one. Luka, that was Hild's sole purpose, as for the latter, it must refer to removing the goddesses from their heavenly thrones. (I would have no doubts to assume that Hild's master is Luka himself who was born from Hild)
I am not a religious person, but I noticed something I have to mention... "...and with his fiery blade, he will bring the world to it's knees." does one of luka's AU versions, Worldbreaker, ring a bell?
You know, that description is kind of true! ...Though, I always wondered regarding Idea Lukas's original form. Metamo-Metamo... ...Which one is even supposed to be Metamo-Metamo? The weird vaguely humanoid being spitting a sludge with a female shape? Or the sludge with a female shape? (Also interesting to note that Idea Lukas also has the same sort of partial metallic mask that the weird humanoid being had.)
@@kuraux56s59 It became the embodiment of a "hero" It used the data of Luka Heinrich and Marcellus hence why it's cybernetic like marcellus looks corrupted by holy erosion like Heinrich and has luka's angel wings. before that it became luka iirc
@@_Tzer I think it maybe just me theorizing. But I am pretty sure that the "Wings" are meant to resemble the sort of "Wings" that the mysterious Fallen Hero Heinrich has. That has only been seen as part of a Paradox 3 preview post. And yes, I did watch videos that showed the The Three Charms Lonesome Spirit collab. Where Metamo-Metamo not only transforms into Luka. But also into other MGQ characters. And even though their copying of physical appearences is identical to the real deal... They keep repeating phrases of whoever they copy at random.
I just finished the main story of paradox part 2 myself, and it can be quite the wild ride. It does do a very good job of fleshing out the world of MGQ and I would very much recommend playing it when you feel up to it.
Ohh a Black Souls profile picture these two fandoms seem joined at the Hip almost. hopefully not too long now till part 3 maybe a year then another 2 for full translation? that's just a guess though. I've said it before but I'd love to see the Black Souls 2 girls end up in the MGQ World in a second collab.
Woah, who's that?! Is that future Luka or something? Either way he looks cool! Not sure how I feel about the song itself, might have to listen to it a bit more.
It's been 5 years since i was away from mgq fandom. So we have another luka from alternative universe ? And we are not in part 3 yet there may be another form luka again... this is getting insane with so much info, and i'm not finished part 2 yet ( because it's not fully translated back days 😭).
This will all make sense after playing the game. The story is well written as you'd expect from MGQ. That's why people understand the lore behind this.
This guy is not technically Luka, they were originally an Apoptosis with the ability to download information from people of different worlds incredibly easily. As if just simply looking for files online. Eventually they copied the data of Luka, Marcellus and Heinrich. Turning into a incarnation of the very concept of a Hero.
For anyone highly confused about who the heck this is and actually wants to know, I'll leave the details we know of down below. Click not if thou fear spoilers. There seems to be a lot of misconception in the comments, so I'll stick to the facts for my initial explanation.
This character, "Idea Luka" or "Idea Lukas" (I don't think we know yet if that translation is supposed to be "Lukas" or not), first appears not in Paradox, but in the h-game called Three Charms (specifically the third and newest entry, Lonesome Spirit). This is due to the two games having collaboration scenarios between them. Said game is not translated yet, but I got a basic overview of what happens from someone who machine translated it while playing.
Our little Promestein and a couple minor MGQ characters get thrown into the world of Three Charms, where over the course of their stay they are attacked by what appears to be Luka. Eventually Promestein learns that it isn't Luka, but rather an invading high-class Apoptosis (it's unclear if it's XX-class or not, might just be a high ranking one but not on the level of Adramelech). The basic English translation given by the player was something along the lines of Metamo-Metemo, but no translator has probably named the entity in English yet to my knowledge.
Anyway, this incredibly strong Apoptosis has the ability to "download" genetic material from other worlds into itself. The details are blurry but it's clear that it can "become" other characters, like Luka. When push comes to shove, the Apoptosis begins downloading once again to become something stronger. However, it downloads the data of three different entities all at once. "Angel Killer Heinrich". "Monster Lord Slayer Marcellus". And the final, which is glitchy, as if the Apoptosis itself doesn't fully know what it's downloading, "Father of Chaos Luka".
It then becomes the entity known as Idea Luka(s), who's described as the very personification of the hero's bloodline. Luckily for the entire universe, Promestein isn't stupid, realizes it cannot be beaten, and shoves that bitch into a portal mid-transformation. Where it's apparently "recruited" by a certain Apiro Lagos, into the Apostles of Chaos...
Other than showing off Idea Luka(s), the collab properly debuts the Alliance of Wisdom (which was only referenced in part 2's aftergame teaser), apparently being composed of former members of the Seekers of the Truth (Promestein, Laplace, La Croix, Lucia and Lily even though she wasn't an original member don't think too hard about it). All of these members come from different, destroyed parallel worlds, and might be striving to save the multiverse in their own way. My bet is that they'll become our best friends during the "third way/route". A neat detail is that they refer to our little Promestein as "Promestein Beta (using the beta symbol)", and treat her with importance as far as I know.
Going back to Idea Luka(s), they are now a member of the Apostles of Chaos. Or was a member. Is a member. Remember, these guys transcend time and space so "when" isn't a concept that exists with them. Why did Apiro Lagos recruit them? Well, we don't fully know, but it's said somewhere (I lost my source, feel free to correct or disbelieve) that every Apostle is a "system entity" given sentience. System entity seems to refer to beings created by the universe to fulfill tasks. White Rabbit may spring to mind first, but this seems to also fit Apoptosis, the universe's immune system, and even Reaper, though she's perhaps the most mysterious of all.
Apiro Lagos is very clearly related to White Rabbit (my bets being what she has the potential to become, since as she directly says at the end of Paradox's collab scenario, she does not exist yet), and other Apostles we know from the image shown in the collab ending are Adramelech, Sonya Chaos, Idea Luka(s), and some Reaper-looking motherfucker. We see the Adramelech-like Apostle at the end of SHRIFT's collab scenario, where she's called "Cleo Adra".
"Given sentience", however. It's likely that the Idea Luka(s) gained that sentience shortly after or immediately after "becoming" Idea Luka(s). As you can see from this video's image, Idea Luka(s) is now a fightable superboss in Labyrinth of Chaos. Talking to them will give dialogue wherein they take special interest in Sonya. This gets into each Apostle being a "Law", but for more info on that, go read up on the Apostles at the MGQ miraheze wiki. This post is already long enough. Hope this cleared things up for someone out there.
Wow thanks for the info :D , I was actually getting confused on who this guy really is since I haven't reached that part yet in the collaboration scenarios :-o
@@azure_blade As of a two days ago, the "second part" of Paradox's collab scenario, the time loop update, has been fully translated by the English team. SHRIFT's collab event is also translated (though does require playing through the entirety of SHRIFT first). So both of the Paradox collab updates are translated along with SHRIFT's. That just leaves the one I talked about, the Three Charms one. I follow the one guy currently translating this game, but it looks like it may take awhile.
Anyway before I got off-track, you can play the entire collab in Paradox. Hope you have fun playing it!
Paradox just gets more insane the longer it goes it may get to the point they went too far with the franchise too early i hope that isn't the case.
It's "イデア・ルカス". "Luka" is "ルカ", so with the extra "ス" at the end, it's "Lukas".
Whether that's supposed to denote that it's a plurality of different Luka's, or it's using the name Lukas to differentiate itself from Luka, remains to be seen.
Apiro Lagos also seemed very keen to clarify that it *isn't* White Rabbit.
Where Cleo Adra stands in relation to Adramelek also isn't easy to tell, but she seems to have way more agency than the apoptosis iteration.
The thing about system entity applies to Apoptosis not the Apostles I'm pretty sure.
I like how the ost Idea Lukas has 4 songs inbuld in itself being "Idea Lukas" Henrich, Marcelus and Luka.
Holy shit that first part is just pure destruction
The bells the way it spikes up at the starts, the way it calms down for a bit then spikes up again such uniqueness makes me addicted to this song.
It just feels unique and chaotic.
Reminds me of the menacing feeling of ultra necrozma's theme if you know you know.
The feeling of the calamity mod's devourer of gods.
The feeling of something you shouldn't fuck around with.
the song actually makes me think of denied the light from Fear & Hunger 2 Termina. might be worth a listen be warned it's quite the dark series.
@@destruction42k So is paradox, black souls and what else oh i've played Saya especially part 3 is dark holy fuck hahahaha
He may not be the strongest of the 3 main superbosses but he's certainly one of the most interesting
By superbosses, do you mean Dark Alice, for example?
@@Hari_Espenton I think they are referring to Judgement, World breaker and Idea Luka.
When you get to fight this guy in part three, he has a 100% innate counter with a 3600% sword skill.
At first I thought the only features of Heinrich this guy had were the sun-like emblem in his clothes...
But then I noticed... Those sort of... Wings. They kinda look like the same wings that the mysterious "Fallen Hero Heinrich" that was shown as a preview for Paradox 3.
The most badass Boss on series beside Judgement so far.
Mekk-Knight Crusadia Avramax
Calamity bells.
Bells one associate with the calamity mod but here since this is paradox tis an actual calamity.
Perhaps this means that this is the very concept of Luka as a hero of the MGQ universe.
I love the blue Gundam Epyon sword
However, nothing unusual, this is the usual Luke player in MGQ, Devil, hero, swordsman of light.
Let's see, I've always had a vaguely idea about apoptosis, doomsday, and mayhem.
Hild claims that her "master" created her to end this end of the world. It was supposed to wake up 800 years in the future, the question is why.
Certainly Hild would not be a match for apoptosis since she was easily defeated by the hero's group, not to mention that she is an idiot and according to Promestein she has useless functions such as feelings, but the most interesting thing is to procreate.
If you ask me, this sounds like a passage from the apocalypse, and well, we all already know that MGQ is based on Christianity or Gnosticism, well, I think I'm going around the bush; That biblical passage speaks about a virgin who is about to give birth and is chased by a dragon that seeks to kill the child in her womb, when the child is born he will kill the dragon and with his fiery sword he will bring the world to its knees.
My theory is as follows: Hild is the virgin who will be chased by the dragon 800 years from now, the dragon is Black Alice, Luka should be the baby inside Hild's womb, Hild was supposed to take her remains and create a new one. Luka, that was Hild's sole purpose, as for the latter, it must refer to removing the goddesses from their heavenly thrones.
(I would have no doubts to assume that Hild's master is Luka himself who was born from Hild)
I am not a religious person, but I noticed something I have to mention... "...and with his fiery blade, he will bring the world to it's knees." does one of luka's AU versions, Worldbreaker, ring a bell?
We now know that master was Indeed Promestein (part 3 trailer)
@@dialgasdreaded9367 not only worldbreaker, your own Luka uses a flaming sword with heroic skills
People used to think this was the father of chaos.
No it's just a very powerful high rank apoptosis cosplaying him or became trans or smthn.
You know, that description is kind of true!
...Though, I always wondered regarding Idea Lukas's original form. Metamo-Metamo...
...Which one is even supposed to be Metamo-Metamo? The weird vaguely humanoid being spitting a sludge with a female shape? Or the sludge with a female shape?
(Also interesting to note that Idea Lukas also has the same sort of partial metallic mask that the weird humanoid being had.)
@@kuraux56s59 It became the embodiment of a "hero" It used the data of Luka Heinrich and Marcellus hence why it's cybernetic like marcellus looks corrupted by holy erosion like Heinrich and has luka's angel wings.
before that it became luka iirc
@@_Tzer I think it maybe just me theorizing. But I am pretty sure that the "Wings" are meant to resemble the sort of "Wings" that the mysterious Fallen Hero Heinrich has. That has only been seen as part of a Paradox 3 preview post.
And yes, I did watch videos that showed the The Three Charms Lonesome Spirit collab.
Where Metamo-Metamo not only transforms into Luka. But also into other MGQ characters. And even though their copying of physical appearences is identical to the real deal... They keep repeating phrases of whoever they copy at random.
TURNS OUT HE TECHNICALLY IS DUE TO FUSION STUFF. and weird lore shit. really weird.
Chaos is god, foc is chaos.
the apostles are a part of chaos.
Just finished the first one, WTF am I walking into?? Thinking about taking a break instead of loading up paradox now.
I just finished the main story of paradox part 2 myself, and it can be quite the wild ride. It does do a very good job of fleshing out the world of MGQ and I would very much recommend playing it when you feel up to it.
Damn, is MGQP chapter 3 out yet?
No
we only have 2.5 which is collab
We got the trailer literally 2 weeks ago.
Still nothing
Ohh a Black Souls profile picture these two fandoms seem joined at the Hip almost. hopefully not too long now till part 3 maybe a year then another 2 for full translation? that's just a guess though. I've said it before but I'd love to see the Black Souls 2 girls end up in the MGQ World in a second collab.
Woah, who's that?! Is that future Luka or something? Either way he looks cool!
Not sure how I feel about the song itself, might have to listen to it a bit more.
It is Luka=Heinrich=Marcel
His name is Idea Lukas.
One of the Apostle of Chaos, if I understood correctly
He is the "Luka" who has searched for Sonya through endless worlds, the one who rejected the goddesses, the one who will end eternity
@@Kerbelios2797 So, the Main Character of the 5th TRUE ENDING?
@@oni8721 no. He is apostle of chaos
Paradox part 3 is coming this November
It's been 5 years since i was away from mgq fandom.
So we have another luka from alternative universe ? And we are not in part 3 yet there may be another form luka again...
this is getting insane with so much info, and i'm not finished part 2 yet ( because it's not fully translated back days 😭).
This will all make sense after playing the game. The story is well written as you'd expect from MGQ. That's why people understand the lore behind this.
But this is definitely the deeper lore on MGQ.
This guy is not technically Luka, they were originally an Apoptosis with the ability to download information from people of different worlds incredibly easily. As if just simply looking for files online.
Eventually they copied the data of Luka, Marcellus and Heinrich. Turning into a incarnation of the very concept of a Hero.
Idea Lucca: Purification
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PlZ tell me what''s name this music? I can't get it out of my head since yesterday. PlZ!!!