BOOM OR BUST?!? How Did Sword of Convallaria and Other Gachas I Care About Perform in August? (SoC)
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Sword of Convallaria really is the tactical RPG I wanted on mobile. Good to hear it's had a great first month!
Unfortunately, the store monetization is trash.
Is SoC your first gacha / tactical ? We are still in the honeymoon phase of the game. Time will tell but since it’s a first year game, its stock will only go up.
@@seekeroftruth45 Disagree, the monetization is standard, except you don't need dupes to max out characters...that is HUGE compared to games like wuwa and genshin where you need to pull a character 6x to max them out. On the one hand you have SoC giving you a maxed SSR for at most $150 + 3 months in-game farming, and genshin capping at about $900 for the same. THAT is trash monetization. Gacha monetization in general is cancer, but kudos to SoC for not requiring dupes.
@@SeuOu I specifically meant the store.
@@seekeroftruth45what part about the store?
I’ll be honest I think the positives are completely deserved for this game.
Anyone who played the last fire emblem game is just mindblown how well this game is made.
It’s so much fun playing yourself. Every map feels unique. That is huge for a gacha Game.
A lot of fun events puzzle.
The sweep system makes perfect sense.
The only thing I want is maybe a subscription that gives me 1 energy pack per day.
Also some sort of raid where people put in 1 unit.
anything over $1million for a mobile game can be considered a success. Especially pixel and 2D art games.
I mean limbus company stays at 500k for months and they still have a huge fanbase and so much content already planned
Yeah, your point about pixel/2D is legit...the development cost of something like Genshin Impact is enormous compared to SoC. SoC pulling in $10m mobile only on a tactical RPG is actually kinda nuts.
That is different Limbus Company has like 45 employes, that helps A LOT
@@sebastianphilipps1754 project moon fans are built different
SoC caught me by surprise. I never expected this game to capture me the way it has.
Same
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Same! I fell inlove with the spiral of destinies, can't wait for new content to be released
SOC is rare this is the best tactical rpg in mobile, theres no competition in this genre for now, i hope they can bring more interesting content for this game keep their community alive
I think brown dust 2 is the closest game to it, but far from being a competitor.
Bd2 is way too horny for me to play it in public lol@@agidnis1234
I picked up soc after retiring from langrisser mobile, which I think would also be a competitor in the sense that it's in the same genre, and nearly plays the same too, except that the maps are flat. Both are decent games, it's just that after 3 years of langrisser mobile, I was burned out.
10 million is great for SoC. It'll go down obviously since it's a niche game but I think as long as it makes 3+millon across all regions once it's stabilized it'll be around for a long time since this is not an expensive game to maintain.
it doesn't count official site + pc client so theres that
It's a shame that tactical games will never truly outpace some of the more modern action type gacha games, but this game feels like a labor of love to me
I'd say the reason probably because people who like playing action based game love to channel their inner rage in realtime by shouting and mocking especially when it's multiplayer game (I know because I do that sometime 😅)
Meanwhile playing turnbased game is like playing chess that we spend a lot of time thinking than actual play and also because you could also grind while doing chore when necessary 😂
I prefer TBS. Hack and slash is boring
@@VyanTan I'm still waiting for that FFT remake
I prefer a bit of both, tactical style but real time action hack and slash, basically something where you just don't hack and slash brainlessly but you move around and dodge, aim for weak points, and do strategic thinking in real time while fighting.
@@superbuneary8819 oh, like Lol 😂
I've never spent more on a mobile game than SoC and it's all been on the official site for that discount. They definitely have made tons.
How big are the discounts?
@@seekeroftruth45 Only 5%, but if you buy through an iPhone you also pay a small fee that apple takes on top so you end up saving about 10% on iPhone by buying through the official website. It doesn't sound like much, but it adds up and makes it much more inviting to buy through the official website.
Same. I love this game
@@seekeroftruth455% off I believe
10 mil in a month is more than what they could have hoped to make in its entire lifespan had they released the game on console instead.
what year are you living in?
@@fluffers3793 2024. You appear to be living in 2010 though.
I am thankful for their success, the game has been amazing so far.
Years of spending on wotv just for your units to be absolutely worthless in the meta is soul crushing. SoC is saving me from wotv.
Played ffbe and it doesn't surprise me, gumi has an habit of powercreeping units way too fast
As mentioned by others, we can't really compare a hoyoverse game to a pixel gacha in a 1:1 scale. We can assume the cost of production and maintenance are at least a bit lower for the pixel games without huge open worlds to explore.
All that said, I hope everyone's favorite games live long and prosper! I still miss global dragon quest tact :(
I feel like gatcha games really need to evaled over a 3 month stretches. So many games will have booms or busts depending on if a hot new Waifu comes out, a meta defining unit, or a big collab. You can have months where that just doesnt happen leading to a rollercoaster for earnings.
Yeah I wish there were more long-term revenue analyses of the different titles as opposed to just monthly comparisons. It would be tedious to put together though, so I don't blame anyone not wanting to do that in their free time.
Cat Fantasy, for a newly launched game, just 3rd week of August and only earned 220k...
It's decent to be honest, tons of free pulls, 300 to be exact, you just have to login every day for a month, not to mention the Free SSRs and outfits. Fully-voiced characters, very present in-your-face predatory features but it's f2p enough to be enjoyed.
It went under everyone's radar.
i think SOC is the turn-based RPG Game I'm expecting for so long. Previously loved to play WOTV but again, it gets pretty boring and too many characters. SOC , i think, is built different with more tactics & entertaining gameplay. This is the only game so far which I considered to spend my money on...
SoC is my favorite gacha game. The art, the music, the gameplay, and the loop are all good. Not to mention the awesome rogue like.
I have never played it on mobile. The idea of trying to navigate it on my phone sounds terrible.
I play it solely on my phone. The UI is pretty user-friendly.
What I like about this game is. Even common or rare hero got it own use depend on the map and never left out. Usually gtcha games the common and rare hero is like a fodder only and not used.
Yes! So many smaller characters have good kits that really shine in different maps and terrains!
Industry insider on this one; That's good mobile-only numbers for a game of this cost / size. Games like WW/Hoyoverse titles' costs are astronomical so they need to be raking in to make up the initial investments and ongoing costs. SoC as a localized release with these numbers *should* be telling leadership they have the install base and interest to continue support.
Agree with the ZZZ being more Console/PC and needing the cross-platform data to see a closer analog to performance there
Yup but they could earn more if they improve their game and cater to the larger audience. (Casual gacha players) FGO would have similar dev cost to SoC I think? It's a 2015 game. Yet it's earning an astronomical amount, more than Genshin this month despite FGO being a 9 years old game.
I saw a comment that the TW server SoC is only earning $1mil/month after the popular phase is over. They tried to remedy with new weapon banners but failed. If that is true, that is also going to be the fate for global version in few months time.. Same flaws will lead to same outcome. I hope the global version fixes the flaws and change it's fate. E.g. make event content (such as interval acts) easier to sustain the casual playerbase because the casual players are the ones that brings in the most money in the long run. Make content more auto-able. Etc.
@@gintobitim1611 Even now the increase in character release speed will no doubt improve sales because people get less time to save up currency, so the next 6 months should still be good earnings for SoC Global
@@gintobitim1611 FGO is a heavy outlier and strategy games aren't to the average Gacha player.
@gintobitim1611 FGO is an anomaly, it can't be used as general example. Their IP is so big that they legit can get away by doing nothing for it's entire month (literally dead month) and still be top 10 on the list. If any other game try to do that, people will start screaming EoS from miles away, even giant like Hoyo game will suffer if they ever do dead month
A better standard for comparison would be game like Azure lane or Arknight, those are also a very old game with big fanbase and they can chill at around 2-3 mil/month, but even they has their own advantage. I would say for tactical game 1-2 mil/month is good enough, especially if we consider the fact that we can farm shard in SoC, making dupe not really that important (dupe does save time for sure, but you get the point)
@@abdulzaelani9954 Yeah, I think this is right too where the audience can be chalked up to a lot of IP fans who want to engage with the IP more, where games like WotV and SoC are about the singular experience (even if you like FFTactics, these are their own IPs and experiences, so you only get the genre overlap, and smaller IP)
Pretty surprised to be honest that SoC made that much considering I know a lot of us are waiting for those T0 units. So I'd say thats pretty successful launch and most players are playing on PC at least that is what I expect. And I with what little I've spent on it used their website and steam as well to do any spending. Totally agree though on that I see more people playing on PC rather than on mobile. As such most gachas I play now are only on PC and my spending is on PC with their respective clients. So as interesting as this data is I think a lot more players are using a PC client if it has that option.
A lot, and I mean A LOT of players probably bought the $30 selector to get Inanna or another off banner unit, so I expected some big sales
Keep in mind with HSR that it was a bit of a filler patch with 2 units not many cares for. It'll come back swinging strong in the next two patches if leaks are to be believed on upcoming banners. Genshin also was in a big lul with 2 underwhelming characters and Natlan only releasing a few days ago
With HSR that was during a patch no one really pulled on but the current patch we’re in with 2.5 a lot of people are gonna pull on since not only are FeiXiao and Lingsha really good characters and can work with a lot of teams but the reruns are awesome as well with Black Swan, Kafka, and Robin being the rerun characters and Robin especially being a rerun a lot of people have been waiting for.
... I like this! You should review the "State-of-The-Union" of mobile-gaming... at-least once-a-month. I like your style... and I think you should do a handful of quick, "one-of" reviews of new-releases, or recently-updated titles that catch-your-eye each month.
Really like your videos.
I think I will play LADS looks a cool game!
Imagine the poor sap that downloads ffbe cuz they played yr 1, and take it up again from pure nostalgia and being older and having more money in general. Then they go hard a blue whale 🐋🐳 it up all month. Imagine they never RUclips or anything cuz they have a job. Lo!!!l what a bummer for those people.
-Lucielle Ovis 😈
Still watching your videos even though I quit gachas lol. Much success!
Yea, the HYV games, ZZZ, HSR, and GI, I play exculsively on PS5. If those aren’t counting in calculations, it could be a major cause. Especially in China, where the PS5 is skyrocketing in sales.
Devs in SOC must listen to their players well, honestly I hate the Gacha System, every 2 weeks theyre releasing a new character which is too short day for me to collect pulls. Then to many events it keeps me busy, I love events though but they must do it every 2 weeks or sumthin, then too many passive skills waste of skills in skill tree
I only play this on my iPad and iPhone so def glad to see it doing well. Looking forward to the future of this one
So you think WOTV is going to end too? 😢
Really fun game glad I have it with my other 10 gacha games
i was just hoping it would do well to survive so thats a nice first month.
the other tactical gacha i play, octopath, i better finish beating before square closes that too. it was on the “under $1m” area.
soc is great..like you can find game creator who finish the weapon boss lv 10 with free character
I don't have a PC. So I end up mirroring my screen to my TV and then Bluetooth a PlayStation controller. Works ok..
Revenue is only for mobile, it was so surprising
I am spending via their website due to the 5% discount.
summoners war staying strong after 10 yrs, 0 powercreep after 10 yrs
popularity of FGO is CRAZY. It's what, 7? 8 years old?
Great points Jay! 👍
It’s beginning to feel more and more like a chore but I will keep playing for the time being
What feels more like a chore, if you don't mind my asking?
The game might not be for you. I felt that way with other moble games, but I'm excited to log in every day with SoC.
What chores? Weekly 5 floor Tower of Conquest?
1 battle daily clash?
Literally nothing to do if u complete story and challenge
Maybe u feels chores because u have weak character and want clear all content? Lol u eventually can clear all with normal character, just need take time to level 55 then difficulty is significantly easier
In daily activities, I literally just need do all 2 hours after work and few minutes in morning for Daily stamina then just sweep any farm stage
@@manyblock4192Weekly 5 floor tower of conquest is a chore to me. Maxing everything, it is still too hard to play floor 9 and 10. And one stage is 10-30 minutes long. 😢
@@cpu2451 Then u should never climb higher if u don't really that STRONG
Forcing yourself getting higher floor when u start struggle, better stay on that floor
This is why I never touch Floor 9 because next week will be hard unless I unlock 5 level account that week (ex 35-40-45-50) because rank up character is huge stat improve
Nothing is chore if u can auto Tower
Edit: This is what a lot F2P player mistake, climbing higher for efficiency but then say game is chore, higher level farm stage is Unlcoked way sooner (like 20 level different) because some people want challenge and for Whaler, it's place to test your P2W character/weapon/trinket
I'm just happy Arknights is doing well.
I'd be very suprised if the PC playerbase of SoC is bigger than the mobile side.
Damm solo leveling dropped 2k make sense that mobile has issues
Hmm I gotta say if your making 30+ mil a month just on mobile I'm pretty sure there is noting to worry about for any game lol. Also 4 mil is better then I'd hoped for.
Gooood morning 😂😂
Love & Deepspace and other gachas has bankrupt me xD. And i think LnD is going to earn alot as well this mth because of a few banners hahahhahah (tho not as much as aug)
It’s a decent game . Its start is not bad but not insane.
The problem is the game is dying or at least not making that much money on others servers.
Except new units the game didn’t evolve a lot and it can be a problem really fast.
Glad to see someone else not blinded by the SoC hype train. It’s an average game, but with good potential is how I am seeing this.
I would say its above average game and does what it focuses on very well. One big issue though is its not flashy and pretty. This can turn people away which is an issue for a genre thats already niche. As just a normal game id give it a 7/10 and for a tactical game a 9/10
@@nefesha3972 I agree with your ratings. The tactical aspect is fun and I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would.
As someone who's played TRPGs since the 90s, I don't really care about super flashy graphics and stuff since I grew up playing 16-bit games. But I _do_ care about visibility and movement on maps, and I think SoC doesn't always succeed in that department. For example, in the current "Scorched Earth" event there's a battle that takes place in the mountains during a blizzard, and it's so hard to see what's going on or where my team is. In terms of movement, I hate that I can't really choose the trajectory of my character's path. It doesn't make a difference for a lot of characters, but it matter for some, like the Vlderian Warrior whose attack strength is dependent on how many tiles he moves/jumps.
Reminder WuWa is in a filler patch. Nothing happened in August, next unit is F R E E, and people save for Shorekeeper
Personally have game on steam and donate through it. Probably reall revenue is significantly bigger than 10m. Likely 15+.
I always find it interesting that Asian region always seems to spend a lot of money for a game compared to global audience especially CN & JP.
It's like they spend all their money for game and eating noodle for the rest of the month 😅
The problem SoC is going to have is keeping F2P players playing. With a new banner every 2 weeks, this game is not F2P friendly and if you do spend money you don't get much. It's a great game but unless they make it more F2P friendly I don't see people spending money on it in the long term.
No gachas needs to worry about keeping F2P. It's the business model to make you spend. If you don't understand that, you don't understand what a gachas is. F2P don't pay the bill, never have, never will.
@@turntapeover5749 You're not understanding what I'm saying.
I'm on Steam and chilling on Moblie
AFK Journey has bankrupted me
good to hear
If this game did flop is because of the horrible imbalance of resources gain and the qol that's insane missing in a 2024 game, what killed it for me is the Castalia bs and lack of pathing and directions choosing, too many bads for this game to keep on playing for me.
Also if the first month got 4m, it will only get worse from now on, most of my friends already quit because of the glaring game problems because seeing them not being fixed on TW version either for so long takes any hope they will be, they just gonna pump content and characters and that's it, good game that's missing key features and needs some reworks for some resources.
Tbh this all because of the selector 1st month means nothing especially Astra went a huge dip and now its just dying😅
I play exclusively on mobile😂😂😂 thats probably how much I've spent so far!
The problem I see in this game is that the end content can be done by uncommon units, so theres really no need to pull for legendary units. So that would equate to lower revenue for the game. Look at hoyoverse, their initial units will always be powercrept so players will for the newer and stronger units. In SoC theres no point, since you can clear everything with low tier units.
Wait til Tower of Adversity comes out as well as live pvp. You might wanna pull for legendary units then.
The progression is actually the problem. F2P will on average have like 3-4 legendary characters (Gloria, Col/Beryl, Beginner Banner, Pity) excluding free ones like Maitha, Faycal, Rawiyah. These characters are all decently usable, but eventually they will get stonewalled by enemy stats inflation because the characters’ stats is tied to player progression. This makes allies who can dodge lethal attacks, do piercing damage or DoT, and crowd control very important, which just happen to be abundant on the common characters, and it doesn’t matter the level or stats difference between them.
Id like to point out that DBZ dokkan battle is almost 10 years old THAT is a company that knows how to make money and a game that has staying power
Yeah that game is really addicting. It keeps you going with a lot of free stuff and just guts you on some banners. But overall a very fun game for mobile. I think it really appears to mobile players as it is very "playable" on handheld, unlike genshin for example where the best experience would probably be on a controller or pc
@@rayu7191 it's their way to balance units that you invested into and respect them by keeping older units meta worthy so you never feel like you are wasting your time dokkan has some of the best balance of any gatcha
used to play langrisser, saw it all the way at 150k. when games get like that should should just make the cost of playing pennies on the dollar instead of just letting it die
People just saving for the new LR I guess
Assuming these carts are somewhat correct, PC/Console client doesn't change anything at all: is gacha's revenue dropped then it dropped proportionally on all platforms (unless there are platform-specific reason like deletion from app/play store or significant perfomance issues making a game unplayable on specific platform).
the doomer shit over wotv is kind of exhausting. game is far from over, its in a slump but last month was FF8, not a huge title and Seifer isn't a huge draw. If FFBE is any indication there is plenty of fuel in the tank and they did basically do a full overhaul of FFBE a few years in. gotta have a little more faith than "the writing is on the wall" dude
soc is a fine game but we're so deeply in the honeymoon phase
I agree that the doomer calls of EoS are annoying and have been around since the 1st year anniversary but it's a bit concerning at this point because it's Gumi's ball to drop. People are less and less enthused about the state of the game with constant meta-defining 100 cost units and holo VCs costing more and more vis to guarantee pity (and then more vis with the case of holo VCs because we can't use stars to build them). They're not making people feel good about pulling or about spending money to do so because if you do the very next unit might hard-counter it. They have a couple of discounted vis packs that people are more than willing to throw money at but they only ever release them once or twice a year. There's no more vis-back banner or even vis-back for spending vis during a period. We're getting a non-FF collab soon which will energize the people who are fans of the Mana series but for everyone else it seems like an easy skip for the most part. And then after that we'll likely be into an FF rerun, and as much as I love FFT, an FFT rerun with no new units and updated units who almost certainly won't be able to hang with the current crop of power creep will mean even less spending.
So while I don't think EoS will be tomorrow or even in the next month or two, Gumi isn't doing much to reverse the trajectory the game seems to be going in.
@@cruelangel0836 You're definitely right on a few of those fronts. It's a heck of a screwup to put out this many powerful characters back to back and holo VCs are awful too. I have to imagine though that they're not deaf to what's been said and I want to say one of the devs has mentioned wanting to rework the game or make a "WotV 2" type deal makes me think of the big overhaul they did with FFBE. Sooner they do it, the better. It feels pretty bad to have so many unusable units. The Veritas discoball item seems like a good solve for them, but for older units need more uplifting and if not, reduced pull rates on them. I think it's doable and within their capacity to do so, but influencers like Auron and ReadyPlayerWill and so on gotta cool the jets a bit on the game is imminently going to end because they're in a slump.
As for the fault on Gumi though it's not as much in their hands as it is SquareEnix. They're the ones that set prices, deals, and that kind of thing to ensure they get paid for their license to the third party (Gumi) and then Gumi has to get paid so they can keep things going. They also give thumbs up and downs on collaborations, what's going to be next on the pipeline and put stuff out there. I'm with you on Secret of Mana and not caring at all but it's Gumi being told a new game is coming out, might as well continue brand recognition for Square, etc. And SquareEnix has been crapping the bed for several years now with absolutely baffling decisions so they're flailing and putting pressure on all of their titles and I wouldn't be surprised if their third party devs are feeling the squeeze too.
Either way though I think we both agree they gotta course correct and sooner than later. Maybe 5th anniversary will be a sign of that? We'll see, I reckon.
Better play WoTV while you can ppl, if FFBE is any indication...
they dont allow you to spend in ffbe anymore anyways
It's a good game, but free rolls seem kinda rare (most f2p / light spenders probably don't want to save up 3-5 months) and shop prices are pretty high, so I worry a bit.
How do you use the website shop it doesn't work for me
Play shameless Nikke Auron lol
Tbh.. I expected more. I feel that players who're satisfied with that number are just coping because we want it to succeed as we already spent money on this game.
Here's why I feel it's underperforming.. Many well-known hoyoverse CCs promoted this game. Many people talked about it. This game gets as much publicity as AFK journey. Yet this game's revenue ended up 10 times lesser even though they were both released on new regions last month.
It doesn't show SoC failed but it does shows the gacha market. The gacha community prefers games that have a more casual approach and can be auto'ed if you want.
I only know 1 well known hoyo CC that promoted it, the rest were big in their niche. The truth is you don't put in hoyo/Wu Wa production value, you don't make those bucks anymore unless you are one of the GOATs. $10 mil is good for the mobile side for a game of it's type.
That said, I don't buy the "most people probably play this on PC" argument either wouldn't be surprised if it made less than a quarter as much there.
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chapter 7 too hard to play that it spoils my experience
Chapter 7 is the gloria+teadon right? I think hate miguel chapter more (the super buffed enemy and you have to destroy the pole stuff)
Or samantha (?) where enemy keep spawning out of nowhere iirc, and the magician boss who do those resonance attack or something along those line, it's bs
But yea i guess it depends on what units the player have, i dont have gloria (i was so stupid so i didnt pull for her) so probably have a very different experience from other players
@@maunabesanika I keep dying and rawiyah died in just 2 hits
Pace to slow, langrisser better
I spent 10k luxites by mistake on charms, thinking i was using a different resource. I open a ticket, and they say they cant revert it. Uninstalled. Good riddance.
Though SoC doesn't have good compensation and rewards, especially there is no scaling of rewards even on harder objectives
I'm not happy to see AFK doing well. Idle Gachas are trash. If you like them and they make you happy. You're wrong and deserve sadness.
I don't get the appeal, tbh...
AFK games are, most of the time, not AFK at all lol
It’s P2W so makes sense people are spending a lot of money on that trash game so they can progress in the game story & PvP
And then memento mori a slideshow game.
I already quit
Bye😂😂😂
no
SoC is just a filler for me to wait for similar games with a lot of skills to use in a battle, like Alchemist Code, and if there is a new game that like Alchemist Code, I'll jump the ship right away
I hate limited skill slots in SoC, we got 5 slots, basic attack, reaction and the rest are 3 that combine with passive, aura, and active skill, it's a waste of all those skills
Alchemist code is by far the best srpg on mobile to date, each character has an arsenal of skills to use in battle, the possibility is endless... such a shame it becomes abomination due to gumi being gumi 🥲
Love and Deepspace continues to quietly be dominating the gacha market. It has been Top 5 every month since its release.
Lady gamers showing out for the husbando collector 🫡😂
Yea, the HYV games, ZZZ, HSR, and GI, I play exculsively on PS5. If those aren’t counting in calculations, it could be a major cause. Especially in China, where the PS5 is skyrocketing in sales.