Back in the late 80's I grew up on a lake in northern Idaho. Pretty much all that was available in camouflage pretty much was the 50's style blotch, or woodland. One night a buddy and I dressed up in woodland camouflage, painted up or faces and went exploring along the shores of the lake. It was in the summer and on a weekend, all the cabins and homes along the lake were packed full of people. We wanted to see what was going on, and watch the random acts of stupidity people do when intoxicated. My buddy thought it would be a good idea to raid a refrigerator that was outside on a deck of this cabin. The occupants were have a camp fire on the beach. As my buddy was helping himself to their inventory of alcoholic beverages as I pulled overwatch on his mission. One of the occupants walked over to replace is now empty bottle of beer. My buddy had gone into a bush and curled up in a fetal position. The occupant was baffled by how much booze was gone. After a brief shout out to the rest of his crew on the levels of their consumptions. He proceeded to urinate on the bush. This bush which held my buddy was about 6 feet from the cabin, and was only about five feet in diameter. I thought for sure he would of been spotted. After the occupant left, my buddy came back to our observation post, soaked in urine. It was hard keeping quite at his misfortune. I told him he stinks and we are swimming back to wash him off. Since that day, I still feel woodland is the best for mountainous terrain.
+American Warrior556 Right?! The new stuff is pretty cool, but M81 Woodland seems to be such a good camo, in general. That or have the Woodland pants with either the Spanish M09 Digital Woodland or the Mexican Marines Digital Woodland.
+tuck234 You ever seen flecktarn? Imo as good as woodland may seem, flecktarn beats it by a mile. I'm surprised the U.S. didn't look more into it and adopt it's own. Though I guess digital woodland is kinda that.
I checked it out, but in my area, being from Southeast Texas, it is kinda bright in the foliage. I may like it as a Shirt with M81 pants. I always liked the Spanish M09 or any of their Flecktarn is a nice shade with the M81 pants.
I’m old enough to have been issued M81 for most of my time in the army. It’s very effective. So much so that my M1A1 tank was painted woodland and could disappear in a wood line at 200 yards. That being said sitting still is the most important thing. If you have hunted animals or men you will realize both the predators and the preys eyes are most sensitive to movement.
When your M1A1 was painted in Woodland, was it a much larger scaled pattern? It might sound irrelevant, but when you scale up Woodland it become more of a "breakup" pattern than actual camouflage.
Yeah you're right about being still. Hunters have traditionally worn flannel for centuries, and it works perfectly in the woods when you're not moving. Hell, even the British military learned very quickly during the Revolution and French and Indian Wars that even a bold red uniform makes for wonderful camouflage when hunkered down in the bushes. You can test this and it will blow your mind that you didn't see the bright red at all until they moved. It probably is because of the close relation red and green have with the way your eyes perceive color, and explains why all woodland patterns use some kind of red/brown/tawny. It's not just that it blends in with the woody materials in the woods, but the foliage as well because of the way our eyes work.
@@LordNinja109The M1s entered service when the MERDC patterns were being phased out and they would not have been applied to the M1A1. He probably means the 3 Tone CARC camo that replaced them.
***** lol Brent. I hope one day you get the money sooner than later to try the Kryptek patterns, especially the Mandrake and the Highlander patterns. I think the different Multicam (Regular Multicam, Tropic, Arid, Alpine, and Black) and Kryptek patterns (especially the Mandrake, Highlander, Nomad, Yeti, and Typhon) are going to ultimately [slightly] out-perform the A-TACS series patterns (FG, AU, LE)
The "woodland"pattern maybe an old camouflage design now but it still blends in & works in many terrains.To me,the woodland is like the "AK-47" assaultrifle.The AK(in original 7.62x39mm)maybe an old design compare to modern high-tech assaultrifles but it still works & continues to fight on.
@@sylle101 ever use a real AK-47...that selector lever is pretty adamant to stay on the 1st notch...I need a tac hammer to get it to semi...shot one at a machine gun shoot Vietnam bring back...but call me sentimental but the AR15 is the better weapon...AR10 the best
I’m surprised there hasn’t been a big name company that has revamped the woodland pattern with some of the modern “3d” overlaying and blending techniques. I’m sure a Multicam Woodland pattern would be something a lot of people would be interested in.
I’m more surprised by the fact people haven’t made color-swapped variants of M81 woodland. A version with dark green spots replacing the black spots, for instance. one of the main complaints about woodland is the black makes it too dark. So maybe changing the black to dark green would help.
One of the best yeah^^ but the best? Maybe for that environment. ;-) Always depends in which environment you are... in dark german forests for example, woodland is a bit too bright and green but flecktarn fits perfectly. Then, wearing flecktarn in a brighter forest which is not that dense sucks because it just doesn't fit into that specific environment. ;-) This is why I don't believe in "All terrain camos"... there is a specific camo for its specific environment... but no camo for every environment. =)
You know what would be real interesting, is doing another M81 test with faded fatigues. I heard the M81 camo was specifically designed to be printed overly dark and saturated, because they knew after heavy use in the field it will fade into a lighter color palette. I put a pair of faded surplus M81 pants next to some MultiCam gear and was very surprised at how closely it resembled MC's color palette. It was practically just MC with larger patterns.
Very good and well done vids. Thank you for taking the time to do this. As a former Army Airborne Infantry NCO,( 82nd), i'm a huge fan of the woodland pattern and still feel as though it's one of the best out these for a wide range of theaters. Rock on troop!!!!!
During the 90´s I used woodland in the Ardennes (Belgium) and Hürtengen Forest (Germany). The shirt, pants, M 65 field jacket, Alice pack and poncho (tent shelter) were all in Woodland camo pattern. Woodland worked well, since I never got caught by a forest ranger.
Great job on the vids. I live in Northern California and love this pattern because it works all year round in this area. It's easy to fall in love with all the new fancy patterns out there but there's nothing like an old basic. You do a great job representing various settings. Appreciate the effort.
Woodland is really good for 2d camo. Once again we see that shadowing from the abdomen and shins overrides much of the camo pattern. Of the five Ss of camouflage, I tend to spot them in this order: shadow, silhouette, shape, shine, spacing. Shadow gets you shot first, and shadow reinforces silhouette.
Always loved woodland camo. Both for hunting, and because it just looks so iconic. I think the largish, natural and random patterns just work well in a natural environment.
Loving these videos, Brent! Seriously, good stuff. Spot on with everything I've seen so far. I was in the Corps from 2001-2005 and was part of the support element of the 11th MEU during the battle of Najaf. Woodland was my favorite camo pattern for a number of reasons, great demo of this classic pattern. Keep up the great work and Semper Fi.
I wore issued woodland back in 1990-91 before an injury sidelined my service. Interesting to note how really effective the browns & tans are in a brownish-fall scenario. Good stuff! 👍 Thank you.
The camouflage seems to work best when there is wilted grass, brunches, trunks and less green vegetation. In the first part of video the camouflage was too dark to effectively blend in with various plants. Woodland works fine in the northern Europe especially fir-woods, where it is darker. Leaf forests are too bright for it, while pine forests are normally too open to effectively conceal oneself using such a patter.
im re watching this after years of your videos. and out of all the old school and modern patterns you have tested as of late i still believe whole-heartedly that this is infact one of THE MOST effective camouflage patterns known to man. And whats best is that its also one of the most widely and readily inexpensive patterns available as well. meaning any well regulated militia or revolutionary force can supply themselves and stay well within their budget. this the ar-15 and 1911 colt camouflage equivalent . it stands the test of time, its simple effective and reliable. this is the katana of patterns.
First and foremost, THANK YOU for your service to the U.S. as a Marine. I come from a very military family and we genuinely appreciate your hard work and service! Great videos. I've used Woodland for a long time and still I am amazed at how well it works. Many of the "new" patterns really don't seem to work well at all or are very specific to areas and time of year. I wish the US would adopt more of the mirage patterns because they seem to work really well. Mr Brent, if you come across any of them, would you please do a video on their effectiveness for each region and type? Thank you!!
Still effective in Fall season I would say, it still kind of hard to spot. I would still say that Woodland is one of the most effective camouflages made in my opinion.
In the fall season, woodland camo conceals really well even in the open; where in the spring you stood out heavily unless your background is soil or tree trunk.
Born out of the idea of german Leibermuster, to use Black, as it is the only color to break up the silhouette at far distances, its still one of the best patterns existing. If you search for a camo to hunt men, its the way to go, almost everywhere, exept deserts.
While US Woodland is my favorite pattern, I'd say there are only two things I would change about, 1) Change the black to a blueish color (much like M90) so it doesn't attract attention. 2) Add the same pebbles from the Desert Night Camo pattern in certain areas, giving it a slight edge in terms of close up concealment.
I always thought it would be a good idea to issue a reversible lightweight combat smock with something like M81 woodland or Rhodesian brushstroke on one side and then Desert Brush or Multicam on the other. Sort of like what the Germans did in WW2 with Eichenlaubmuster or what the Russians are doing with their Ratnik suit.
another great vid. woodland is still my favorite. I grew up deer hunting using this camo. I have had deer walk right by me using the m-65 field jacket sitting by a tree. that jacket that I still use and is still in good condition after all these years.
Much better! I could still see you in a couple of shots but much less obvious. This pattern works really well when lying on the ground, very effective! I'm looking right at you but couldn't see you until you moved. Then when you stopped you blended in again. Very cool!
1 HUMBLE REQUEST...it'll take your vids to the next level: please do vids where someone hides (heck, dress up a mannequin and throw it in the bushes) and the camera slowly moves to find them. That would be the ultimate test format to comment the AMAZING production format you've created. You are THE best camo demonstrator on youtube... period. Widest selection, same shooting locations and shots for consistent testing, different lighting. Brilliant! But noticing how a static subject appears to a moving observer would be amazing. No ones doing that. Thanks and keep up the good work.
There have been a couple camouflage videos I've done where there were scenes where "scanning" the camera is involved. I think the Kryptek Mandrake video is one of those.
There are a lot of good old camo patterns. After armies figured out that breaking up shadows, silluetes and getting the coulours to match the enviroment ( woodland, flektarn, desert ecc.) You can only make very minor improovements to the camo. Next /current big thing is INFRA RED camo (for regular nightvision IR camo wont work Thermals , for thermals you need to keep body heat in so basicaly winter gear or a portable shelter)
I know that in some places MultiCam is getting a lot of love, but in Florida woodland works very well for most of the time. Unless you're against really sparse, bare, tan dead stuff in the winter, you'll blend in - and lush green material is usually nearby. That being said, MultiCam works in the winter, and olive drab can be better in the summer because the darkness in woodland can stand out in bright, lush foliage.
Great video. I seem to have a ton of this stuff around that my brother left me as well as a good amount of OD. They both seem to work great in in the Sierras and Northern CA. :)
The M81 is the king for a reason even in winter break it up with white still at the top of the game! 😇 We have the new upstart the baby M81 multi cam. I haven't perused your video list. It would be nice to M81 woodland mixed up with other gear. In the rolling golden hills of California along with scrub oak manzanita and sage spliting with desert or vice versa works wonders. I know there's multi woodland & arid and I think possibly jungle. It's crazy amount of American camouflage since the 1940s. Would make a very informative learning video to start mitch & matching these American camouflage for the best disappearing act. I use Airforce ABU (anything tigerstipe is my jam)mixed with 3 clor desert,chocolate chip,British DDRP ,czech arid & German flecktarne arid. in the Cali foot hills it all works great. So much fun and finding a GOOD channel interested in the same thing.......BRILLIANT 🤗 Very informative videos thanks for sharing 👍
These two parts really help. If there was ever a real situation here in America then I think I'd be covered, because I have pretty much all the gear you are wearing and I also have all digital ucp camo with a mich 2000 and vests for both camos all inspired by these videos.
I think in Texas at least cedar tress are dark green pretty much year round so Woodland is pretty good if your AO is heavily cedar. Oak on the other hand is light green in the spring and dies almost to a tan or brown grey even so I think it’s all about understanding your environment
Big difference in the effectiveness of this pattern from part 1 and part 2. Part 2 shows that this pattern works very well going into the fall season as opposed to springtime.
I have to say that Woodland and Multi-Cam are the best camo patterns out there. Multi-Cam is damn good, especially for lighter colored areas. Maybe you should do one on the old OD green uniforms. They have them in the ACU style uniforms in OD green. I've got a pair. I think they do well. Would love to see them in this perspective.
I just stumbled across this channel today and it's great. Thanks for your hard work! Great info here I'm recommending it to my 3per buddies I was ruckin through my forest just a couple hours ago and decided to stop for a break. Wearing some surplus bdu woodland. I was sitting on my ass just inside a tree line and 3 young deer grazed on by me about 7 yrds away and they didn't see me. Woodland works very well here in rural southern Ontario
It always amazes me how really effective good ole M81 woodland camo is. This is what we used when I was in the Army. But……we would all keep the new uniforms for garrison. The old faded almost worn out ones would be used in the field. And even though the labels very clearly said do not starch, we starched the hell out of them. The really faded ones we called snow camo…. So we tended to stand out almost as bad as ACU when out in the field.
In this video the BDU did a fantastic job due to probably the darker environment due to the season. However like the other video by spray painting a very light brown to give it that sun faded look in my opinion would improve its effectiveness. I think if the military shrunk the black splotches and added maybe another brown color this uniform would be able to almost compete against multi cam.
after watching both this and the multi-cam vid, I found the woodland more effective, you use the same spot and I still had a hard time finding you. I spotted the Chinese vid 80% of the time, good work. I always did like the woodland.
I have used woodland for years in late summer and early fall, and acu in late fall and winter. They work well for bow hunting in northern wisconsin. good video.
This woodland camouflage is much better than the coyote brown you wore in a video I watched last night. I don't understand why our military replaced the woodland camouflage with the MARPAT during the mid 2000s. I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of woodland with the new Operational Camouflage Pattern in service with the U.S. Army today.
I wish you would add a review at the end of the video with your own conclusions about the cammo. It would add a lot to the overall content. Also it's a bit hard to get a real good idea on it's effectiveness due to the resolution and your camera angles. Other than that though great job and great idea. I just recently found your channel and I love what you're doing.
+Jonathon Hurley Thanks, just in case your not doing so, you can change the viewing settings to 720p in the bottom right corner of the yourtube viewer.
Woodland shows its effectiveness once again! All around great pattern for an affordable price. Thanks again, man, for showing us all of these camos - it's a hobby that takes time, money, and dedication. With winter starting here in northern Indiana and probably coming soon to you guys, it comes to mind that you've only tried one snow pattern so far. I hope to see some more snow camo tests and/or other camo tests in a snowy environment from you!
Ryan W The problem is brother is that it hardly ever snows where I am. Pretty much the planets have to align in order for me to be able to film in the snow. The flip side to that is because it doesn't snow that much, I really don't want to invest money into snow patterns that I'll never or rarely use.
***** Makes sense - we get buried up here. I have an odd idea for an effectiveness test, although it may be applicable to a lot of operators. How well does the classic Urban camouflage work in an urban environment? I know this one might be a pain to test, but maybe find a parking lot behind a department store with fields or woods adjacent and maneuver through equipment, around storage crates, even among cars or trucks.
great video Brent, just another reason I have more woodland camo than anything else...I think its the most effective pattern here in florida, especially south of Ocala...
Its pretty good, just because a pattern is old doesn't mean its some how obsolete. Just like the old German WWII patterns, they're just as effective now as they were back then.
For the people saying stuff like, "I saw you right away!", Once again you were LOOKING for him. If you were just hiking through the area while he was filming this, you'd never have seen him.
Yeah I think both of them did very well during this time of the year. After watching the Rhodesian and Vegetato videos I thought to myself that both Woodland and MARPAT would probably preform very well.
Great video man. My 8 year military career I only wore two distinct sets of BDU's...the Woodland and during my tour in OIF 2 the Deserts. DCU'S were great by the way. Light weight and very durable. I ETS in '05 so I never had the pleasure of wearing the ACU's...thank God lol. I like some of the A-Tac patterns. I even have a couple of sets of A-Tac cami's...but The old school Woodland BDU is still king when it comes to true camoflauge in a wooded and jungle enviorment.
I think woodland works because of the high contrast, sharp and large blobs. All other camos using micropatterns, grandients or depth based perception have lost some of the capacity that woodland had to break up shapes, specially at longer ranges. I might reconsider going back to woodland, right now I own several patterns and I dropped everything woodland, but long ago when I used it I think I could conceal better.
First of all, I'd like to say thank you for a lot of great content! I'm quite new to your channel, but so far I must admit I am impressed. Just a suggestion though: Kneeling or going prone behind shrubbery or trees doesn't really show the effectiveness of the camouflage itself, it shows how good you are at hiding. Kneeling or going prone IN FRONT of said vegetation (in plain view) would better demonstrate the effectiveness of the camouflage itself, instead of the skills of the wearer.
MetalMilitiaMan87 Yeah, I concur. During the spring time here the vegetation is so overwhelming, during this time of the year though more of the browns and darker colors are present which seem to really work with the woodland pattern.
Our Mutual Assistance Group (MAG) wears basic Olive green pants, with an Olive green light shirt , with a woodlands BDU shirt as the summer jacket. Our group is from mid-northern Ontario Canada. Woodlands is a great fit there.. This in three out of four seasons...
0:52 wow :D total blend in. Anyways - idk how effective this pattern is, but it'll always be my favorite because it reminds me of the 80s and 90s :D I had a jacket and two pairs of pants back then :D Wore them all the time :D
Can you also do a test of OD green during fall? Like when all the leaves fall off but not in a environment with lots of reeds or dead grass becasue it will make it stand out, just use areas with trees with tress with no leaves and dead leaves on the ground
The downfall of woodland Camo is the black, blackness in nature almost never occurs. Even your shadow is not black, your shadow on green grass would be just darker green. Look at the deciduous forest and you can actually see alot of not only bright green, but yellow. Also leaves are shiny they reflect light, so when you hear of camo being "too dark" its because it eats too much light. You can see here when it is very overcast, the woodland works great because the leaves are not reflecting much light and shining, making the woodland camo look like a dark blob.
That was their reasoning for adopting the crappy UCP and we saw how well that worked. I guess that's why tigers have black stripes or a panther blends so well with his natural habitat, or a leopard has black spots, etc, etc.
Even after all these years I still love this stuff and still very effective, I guess that's why the RAIDERS/MARSOC still use it. We actually had the opportunity to wear some of the old ERDL (green dominant) stuff on a deployment a lifetime ago, and that stuff was absolutely awesome considering the environment we were in. Still have one of the shirt/jackets. Keep up the good work, love your vids, you remind me of my "old" first sergeant sometimes. Anyway, what do you think of the AOR2 stuff from the Navy in these types of environments?
speakersmcgee Thanks man, and you're right. Like I said in another comment to someone else, there is no such thing as an "obsolete" camouflage pattern, its just as effective today and it was when it was first issued.
@@electrowolf6260 I would say original. Marpat is a digital micro pattern and just like other micro patterns it comes together in one color at a distance. The old woodland maintains it's contrast near and far.
The one bad thing about M81 now a days is that every soldier for the past 20 years has been shooting at geronimo wearing bdus. Unfortunately when I see it, I see red. Still love the camo though!
I've had people get so close they almost stepped on me . i can also sneak up on people and leave and they will never know i was there . that's how affective woodland camo is . woodland is one of the best camo patterns ever created .
Perfect, i couldnr spot you in any of these, its hard to beat woodland in the right enviornment. Part 1, spring, is probably better suited for od green.
Hey Brett, first off I'd like to say I've seen nearly all of your videos and I enjoy your channel a lot; and I thank you for your years of service. So I've got a few questions for you: I noticed in Lone Survivor, Don Shipley's SEAL Expierence courses, pictures of real SEALs, even at BUDS they wear either Woodland or 3-desert camo. Meanwhile other branches have made very complex camo's over the years while SEALs stay with these two. Now I hear both the Army and Marines will be adopting multicam very soon. Who do you think is doing it right? Also: I live in West Colorado, climate and landscape are nearly identical to Afghanistan: mainly mountainous desert all year with patches of vegetation here and there with the occasional forests and nearly 100% chance of snow each winter. Very tricky to make myself an all around kit for any type of disaster in which I need to leave town. I've decided for all my gear (backpack, chest rig, pouches, weapons, etc) will be coyote tan regardless of my clothing decision. I started buying multicam clothes at first, but I noticed it was too dark contrasting in the desert, and too bright in the dead Forrest; should I keep buying multicam or should I start buying and mixing woodland and 3 desert?
RAGGARADEthirst As far as I know when you're talking about units like the SEALs or S/F, those units can wear what ever uniform they what. I think the pictures/video you're watching of SEALs dressed in older utilities in theater are mainly older pictures/video back before the Navy came out with its own digital patterns. I know the SEALs for instance have a Desert digital pattern that they wear now that is very similar to what we wear in the Marine Corps. By the way, I'm not sure where you heard this but the Marine Corps has no plans on switching to MultiCam or any other pattern for that matter. I am a Marine and I have not heard anything about us changing. If anything I think we have the right idea in having two separate patterns. Although, I do see the utility and flexibility in having a pattern like MultiCam. As far as Woodlan and 3 color desert, they're both tried an true patterns, and just because they have been replaced does not make them ineffective.
***** I know SEALs and SF aren't generally issued anything, but I was mainly referring to Lone Survivor; I didn't realize Operation Red Wing occurred just a few months before Marines were issued MARPAT. Even still BUDs trainees to this day wear Woodland, and veteran SEAL Don Shipley still wears 3 Des and Woodland as well as his classmates. The question I really wanted to boil down to, is the Military adapting; or do SEALs know better? On the Multicam topic: I saw about a dozen Marines in a comment section on Instagram talking about how they were changing to Multi along with the Army, I wish I could have gotten a link of some sort for it.
I remember seeing guys wearing 3 color desert with woodland supplemented in some places. This was in either Iraq or Afghanistan. I think it is a cool look and wonder if it's more or less effective than plain woodland in the fall/winter months. To break up the outline a bit more.
I love the wood land camo. its way more effective than any digital pattern I have seen. I don't know why the military went to digital camos. there is no pixels in nature. only in high tech camera equipment. thanks brother excellent vid.
wayne wollschlager Thanks for watching. I wouldn't right off the digital patterns though brother, did you see the MARPAT PART II video yet? I actually filmed both of these back to back. I will say, I think the Woodland pattern is excellent. When you consider its tried and true effectiveness and the amount of quality U.S. military gear, clothing, and equipment you can pick up for GREAT prices, woodland is hard to beat.
Can you please do one video with same camo pattern and location but with different light conditions (sunny, raining, dawn, cloudy, etc.) to compare the effectiveness? Woodland could be ideal pattern as a base for other camos.
Back in the late 80's I grew up on a lake in northern Idaho. Pretty much all that was available in camouflage pretty much was the 50's style blotch, or woodland. One night a buddy and I dressed up in woodland camouflage, painted up or faces and went exploring along the shores of the lake. It was in the summer and on a weekend, all the cabins and homes along the lake were packed full of people. We wanted to see what was going on, and watch the random acts of stupidity people do when intoxicated. My buddy thought it would be a good idea to raid a refrigerator that was outside on a deck of this cabin. The occupants were have a camp fire on the beach. As my buddy was helping himself to their inventory of alcoholic beverages as I pulled overwatch on his mission. One of the occupants walked over to replace is now empty bottle of beer. My buddy had gone into a bush and curled up in a fetal position. The occupant was baffled by how much booze was gone. After a brief shout out to the rest of his crew on the levels of their consumptions. He proceeded to urinate on the bush. This bush which held my buddy was about 6 feet from the cabin, and was only about five feet in diameter. I thought for sure he would of been spotted. After the occupant left, my buddy came back to our observation post, soaked in urine. It was hard keeping quite at his misfortune. I told him he stinks and we are swimming back to wash him off. Since that day, I still feel woodland is the best for mountainous terrain.
this story is so insane it must be true
i miss doing stupid shit when i was a kid
banger073 Must have been Priest Lake....
I have a similar camo story, but it might get me in trouble if I write it down.
Ton Come on man please tell us
To this day, woodland is still my favorite camo pattern.
+American Warrior556 Right?! The new stuff is pretty cool, but M81 Woodland seems to be such a good camo, in general. That or have the Woodland pants with either the Spanish M09 Digital Woodland or the Mexican Marines Digital Woodland.
+tuck234 You ever seen flecktarn? Imo as good as woodland may seem, flecktarn beats it by a mile. I'm surprised the U.S. didn't look more into it and adopt it's own. Though I guess digital woodland is kinda that.
I checked it out, but in my area, being from Southeast Texas, it is kinda bright in the foliage. I may like it as a Shirt with M81 pants. I always liked the Spanish M09 or any of their Flecktarn is a nice shade with the M81 pants.
Mexican Marines digital woodland is fucking baller.
American Warrior556 when I was growing up that's what I remember soliders wearing and its still my favorite camo pattern
I’m old enough to have been issued M81 for most of my time in the army. It’s very effective. So much so that my M1A1 tank was painted woodland and could disappear in a wood line at 200 yards. That being said sitting still is the most important thing. If you have hunted animals or men you will realize both the predators and the preys eyes are most sensitive to movement.
When your M1A1 was painted in Woodland, was it a much larger scaled pattern? It might sound irrelevant, but when you scale up Woodland it become more of a "breakup" pattern than actual camouflage.
@@cs-rj8ru I assumed that he was talking about one of the MERDC camouflage variants.
Yeah you're right about being still. Hunters have traditionally worn flannel for centuries, and it works perfectly in the woods when you're not moving. Hell, even the British military learned very quickly during the Revolution and French and Indian Wars that even a bold red uniform makes for wonderful camouflage when hunkered down in the bushes. You can test this and it will blow your mind that you didn't see the bright red at all until they moved. It probably is because of the close relation red and green have with the way your eyes perceive color, and explains why all woodland patterns use some kind of red/brown/tawny. It's not just that it blends in with the woody materials in the woods, but the foliage as well because of the way our eyes work.
@@LordNinja109The M1s entered service when the MERDC patterns were being phased out and they would not have been applied to the M1A1. He probably means the 3 Tone CARC camo that replaced them.
As silly as it may seem, I am really impressed with woodland's effectiveness. Nice one again.
Thanks brother, Woodland is a very good tried and true pattern.
It's like the US Army knew...
***** Awesome work! Happy veterans day.
***** semper fi brother!
***** lol Brent. I hope one day you get the money sooner than later to try the Kryptek patterns, especially the Mandrake and the Highlander patterns. I think the different Multicam (Regular Multicam, Tropic, Arid, Alpine, and Black) and Kryptek patterns (especially the Mandrake, Highlander, Nomad, Yeti, and Typhon) are going to ultimately [slightly] out-perform the A-TACS series patterns (FG, AU, LE)
The "woodland"pattern maybe an old camouflage design now but it still blends in & works in many terrains.To me,the woodland is like the "AK-47" assaultrifle.The AK(in original 7.62x39mm)maybe an old design compare to modern high-tech assaultrifles but it still works & continues to fight on.
The AK-47 wasn't an assault rifle. It was full auto only. They had to make a special select fire variant, and they made the AKM assault rifle.
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@@sylle101 ever use a real AK-47...that selector lever is pretty adamant to stay on the 1st notch...I need a tac hammer to get it to semi...shot one at a machine gun shoot Vietnam bring back...but call me sentimental but the AR15 is the better weapon...AR10 the best
@@sylle101 recent to me...and the AK was designed with the human wave tactic in mind. Jump out of your truck chopper tank spray pray and duck...
@@becausereasons9777 Nope
I’m surprised there hasn’t been a big name company that has revamped the woodland pattern with some of the modern “3d” overlaying and blending techniques. I’m sure a Multicam Woodland pattern would be something a lot of people would be interested in.
I'd buy the hell outta that!
I’m more surprised by the fact people haven’t made color-swapped variants of M81 woodland. A version with dark green spots replacing the black spots, for instance. one of the main complaints about woodland is the black makes it too dark. So maybe changing the black to dark green would help.
Multicam woodland DID exist but only like 50 uniforms in that pattern were made, really wish they sold MC woodland
@@lowlandnobleman6746Or the swedish approach with a dark purple/dark blue instead.
Check Polish Border Guard variation of Multicam.
Woodland still one of the best if not the best camo. good stuff.
Got to agree.
One of the best yeah^^ but the best? Maybe for that environment. ;-)
Always depends in which environment you are... in dark german forests for example, woodland is a bit too bright and green but flecktarn fits perfectly.
Then, wearing flecktarn in a brighter forest which is not that dense sucks because it just doesn't fit into that specific environment. ;-)
This is why I don't believe in "All terrain camos"... there is a specific camo for its specific environment... but no camo for every environment. =)
I agree they hit it out of the park with the original woodland
Woodland isn't too bad and for fall, I love the M-65 field jacket. Indestructible.
I agree, M81 Woodland will never die-
The US Woodland is undoubtedly one of the best camuflage pattern that have existed, I use it for hunting and it works very well
Great video Bro
You know what would be real interesting, is doing another M81 test with faded fatigues. I heard the M81 camo was specifically designed to be printed overly dark and saturated, because they knew after heavy use in the field it will fade into a lighter color palette.
I put a pair of faded surplus M81 pants next to some MultiCam gear and was very surprised at how closely it resembled MC's color palette. It was practically just MC with larger patterns.
Very good and well done vids. Thank you for taking the time to do this. As a former Army Airborne Infantry NCO,( 82nd), i'm a huge fan of the woodland pattern and still feel as though it's one of the best out these for a wide range of theaters. Rock on troop!!!!!
Thanks for watching brother.
i forget how effective that pattern really can be. def a good one
Tried and true
Still crazy just how good this pattern is in both original ERDL and M81 form.
During the 90´s I used woodland in the Ardennes (Belgium) and Hürtengen Forest (Germany). The shirt, pants, M 65 field jacket, Alice pack and poncho (tent shelter) were all in Woodland camo pattern. Woodland worked well, since I never got caught by a forest ranger.
Nice
Great job on the vids. I live in Northern California and love this pattern because it works all year round in this area. It's easy to fall in love with all the new fancy patterns out there but there's nothing like an old basic. You do a great job representing various settings. Appreciate the effort.
+darrin ferguson Thanks brother.
it works better in america
Woodland is really good for 2d camo. Once again we see that shadowing from the abdomen and shins overrides much of the camo pattern.
Of the five Ss of camouflage, I tend to spot them in this order: shadow, silhouette, shape, shine, spacing. Shadow gets you shot first, and shadow reinforces silhouette.
***** I concur
Always loved woodland camo. Both for hunting, and because it just looks so iconic. I think the largish, natural and random patterns just work well in a natural environment.
Woodland is my favorite! his effectiveness is better than other modern patterns...
Loving these videos, Brent! Seriously, good stuff. Spot on with everything I've seen so far. I was in the Corps from 2001-2005 and was part of the support element of the 11th MEU during the battle of Najaf. Woodland was my favorite camo pattern for a number of reasons, great demo of this classic pattern. Keep up the great work and Semper Fi.
My favourite pattern, i love it!! This pattern works very well during spring/summer/autumn here in north-est Italy!!!
I wore issued woodland back in 1990-91 before an injury sidelined my service.
Interesting to note how really effective the browns & tans are in a brownish-fall scenario. Good stuff! 👍 Thank you.
The camouflage seems to work best when there is wilted grass, brunches, trunks and less green vegetation. In the first part of video the camouflage was too dark to effectively blend in with various plants. Woodland works fine in the northern Europe especially fir-woods, where it is darker. Leaf forests are too bright for it, while pine forests are normally too open to effectively conceal oneself using such a patter.
Man I miss BDU's.
Me too.
Still in use by the Virginia Defense Force, Tennessee State Guard and the pesky Young Marines
DanielVlog ok...
Me three.
Still being used to this day by the Dutch Military in either standard woodland or Dutch DPM!
im re watching this after years of your videos. and out of all the old school and modern patterns you have tested as of late i still believe whole-heartedly that this is infact one of THE MOST effective camouflage patterns known to man. And whats best is that its also one of the most widely and readily inexpensive patterns available as well. meaning any well regulated militia or revolutionary force can supply themselves and stay well within their budget. this the ar-15 and 1911 colt camouflage equivalent . it stands the test of time, its simple effective and reliable. this is the katana of patterns.
I love woodland camouflage, its an effective pattern no doubt.
First and foremost, THANK YOU for your service to the U.S. as a Marine. I come from a very military family and we genuinely appreciate your hard work and service! Great videos. I've used Woodland for a long time and still I am amazed at how well it works. Many of the "new" patterns really don't seem to work well at all or are very specific to areas and time of year. I wish the US would adopt more of the mirage patterns because they seem to work really well. Mr Brent, if you come across any of them, would you please do a video on their effectiveness for each region and type? Thank you!!
Still effective in Fall season I would say, it still kind of hard to spot. I would still say that Woodland is one of the most effective camouflages made in my opinion.
In the fall season, woodland camo conceals really well even in the open; where in the spring you stood out heavily unless your background is soil or tree trunk.
MUCH better in the fall, thanks for the comparison.
Born out of the idea of german Leibermuster, to use Black, as it is the only color to break up the silhouette at far distances, its still one of the best patterns existing. If you search for a camo to hunt men, its the way to go, almost everywhere, exept deserts.
While US Woodland is my favorite pattern, I'd say there are only two things I would change about,
1) Change the black to a blueish color (much like M90) so it doesn't attract attention.
2) Add the same pebbles from the Desert Night Camo pattern in certain areas, giving it a slight edge in terms of close up concealment.
I love how well you match your gear to the camo pattern, great attention to detail!
Very effective , should have never been replaced with a so called multicam.
quarter jukebox I love M81, but I will stand by multicam for life.
I think the army should just use both. Update the uniform and use what's best for the location you're in.
@Bum fungus yeah lol it's so over used
@Juggernaut multicam really struggles with anything green
like european forests.
its to bright, meaning its easy to see, easier so than even OD green
I always thought it would be a good idea to issue a reversible lightweight combat smock with something like M81 woodland or Rhodesian brushstroke on one side and then Desert Brush or Multicam on the other. Sort of like what the Germans did in WW2 with Eichenlaubmuster or what the Russians are doing with their Ratnik suit.
Always liked woodland pattern, very universal, just like our old DPM, very adaptable...atb UK
dog11222 I agree, its a good overall pattern.
another great vid. woodland is still my favorite. I grew up deer hunting using this camo. I have had deer walk right by me using the m-65 field jacket sitting by a tree. that jacket that I still use and is still in good condition after all these years.
it was very effective in Croatian Homeland (independence) war, excellent camo!
I have an original Croatian woodland pattern , love it! It works very well
Much better! I could still see you in a couple of shots but much less obvious. This pattern works really well when lying on the ground, very effective! I'm looking right at you but couldn't see you until you moved. Then when you stopped you blended in again. Very cool!
seattwa I see you found PART II to the video lol, glad you enjoyed.
***** I enjoyed all of them, the WWII ones too. You did an excellent job with this video series! And THANK YOU for your service!
The different season combined with some noticeable weathering really makes these conditions a lot more optimal than part 1
1 HUMBLE REQUEST...it'll take your vids to the next level: please do vids where someone hides (heck, dress up a mannequin and throw it in the bushes) and the camera slowly moves to find them. That would be the ultimate test format to comment the AMAZING production format you've created. You are THE best camo demonstrator on youtube... period. Widest selection, same shooting locations and shots for consistent testing, different lighting. Brilliant! But noticing how a static subject appears to a moving observer would be amazing. No ones doing that. Thanks and keep up the good work.
There have been a couple camouflage videos I've done where there were scenes where "scanning" the camera is involved. I think the Kryptek Mandrake video is one of those.
Great camp. Light is always critical to understand with background differences
There are a lot of good old camo patterns. After armies figured out that breaking up shadows, silluetes and getting the coulours to match the enviroment ( woodland, flektarn, desert ecc.) You can only make very minor improovements to the camo. Next /current big thing is INFRA RED camo (for regular nightvision IR camo wont work Thermals , for thermals you need to keep body heat in so basicaly winter gear or a portable shelter)
I know that in some places MultiCam is getting a lot of love, but in Florida woodland works very well for most of the time. Unless you're against really sparse, bare, tan dead stuff in the winter, you'll blend in - and lush green material is usually nearby.
That being said, MultiCam works in the winter, and olive drab can be better in the summer because the darkness in woodland can stand out in bright, lush foliage.
Woodland is still my preferred camouflage of choice. I would revert back to it in a blink.
Woodland is the most badass camo ever made
Have you seen ERDL, the predecessor to it?
@@Brent0331 badass too but in Brazilian jungles we need one camo more dark and woodland m81 is more effective.
Great video. I seem to have a ton of this stuff around that my brother left me as well as a good amount of OD. They both seem to work great in in the Sierras and Northern CA. :)
The M81 is the king for a reason even in winter break it up with white still at the top of the game! 😇
We have the new upstart the baby M81 multi cam.
I haven't perused your video list.
It would be nice to M81 woodland mixed up with other gear.
In the rolling golden hills of California along with scrub oak manzanita and sage spliting with desert or vice versa works wonders.
I know there's multi woodland & arid and I think possibly jungle.
It's crazy amount of American camouflage since the 1940s.
Would make a very informative learning video to start mitch & matching these American camouflage for the best disappearing act.
I use Airforce ABU (anything tigerstipe is my jam)mixed with 3 clor desert,chocolate chip,British DDRP ,czech arid & German flecktarne arid. in the Cali foot hills it all works great. So much fun and finding a GOOD channel interested in the same thing.......BRILLIANT 🤗
Very informative videos thanks for sharing 👍
These two parts really help. If there was ever a real situation here in America then I think I'd be covered, because I have pretty much all the gear you are wearing and I also have all digital ucp camo with a mich 2000 and vests for both camos all inspired by these videos.
+Shawn Hitchcock Thanks bud, glad I could help.
I think in Texas at least cedar tress are dark green pretty much year round so Woodland is pretty good if your AO is heavily cedar. Oak on the other hand is light green in the spring and dies almost to a tan or brown grey even so I think it’s all about understanding your environment
Big difference in the effectiveness of this pattern from part 1 and part 2. Part 2 shows that this pattern works very well going into the fall season as opposed to springtime.
I have to say that Woodland and Multi-Cam are the best camo patterns out there. Multi-Cam is damn good, especially for lighter colored areas. Maybe you should do one on the old OD green uniforms. They have them in the ACU style uniforms in OD green. I've got a pair. I think they do well. Would love to see them in this perspective.
I just stumbled across this channel today and it's great. Thanks for your hard work! Great info here I'm recommending it to my 3per buddies
I was ruckin through my forest just a couple hours ago and decided to stop for a break. Wearing some surplus bdu woodland. I was sitting on my ass just inside a tree line and 3 young deer grazed on by me about 7 yrds away and they didn't see me. Woodland works very well here in rural southern Ontario
Hello Brent, I possess an original model of this camo which leads my collection. You make an excellent work. Greetings of France. Thank you.
modelmaker78 Thank you Sir!
It always amazes me how really effective good ole M81 woodland camo is. This is what we used when I was in the Army. But……we would all keep the new uniforms for garrison. The old faded almost worn out ones would be used in the field. And even though the labels very clearly said do not starch, we starched the hell out of them. The really faded ones we called snow camo…. So we tended to stand out almost as bad as ACU when out in the field.
In this video the BDU did a fantastic job due to probably the darker environment due to the season. However like the other video by spray painting a very light brown to give it that sun faded look in my opinion would improve its effectiveness. I think if the military shrunk the black splotches and added maybe another brown color this uniform would be able to almost compete against multi cam.
I switched to this pattern. It's still one the most versatile and effective
I like woodland most because it really breaks up your shape better than any others.
I have owned Multicam, ATACS FG and MARPAT; all great camos, but I will always take the M81's over them all for jungle environments.
after watching both this and the multi-cam vid, I found the woodland more effective, you use the same spot and I still had a hard time finding you. I spotted the Chinese vid 80% of the time, good work. I always did like the woodland.
I have used woodland for years in late summer and early fall, and acu in late fall and winter. They work well for bow hunting in northern wisconsin. good video.
Thanks.
This woodland camouflage is much better than the coyote brown you wore in a video I watched last night. I don't understand why our military replaced the woodland camouflage with the MARPAT during the mid 2000s. I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of woodland with the new Operational Camouflage Pattern in service with the U.S. Army today.
I wish you would add a review at the end of the video with your own conclusions about the cammo. It would add a lot to the overall content. Also it's a bit hard to get a real good idea on it's effectiveness due to the resolution and your camera angles. Other than that though great job and great idea. I just recently found your channel and I love what you're doing.
+Jonathon Hurley Thanks, just in case your not doing so, you can change the viewing settings to 720p in the bottom right corner of the yourtube viewer.
Woodland shows its effectiveness once again! All around great pattern for an affordable price. Thanks again, man, for showing us all of these camos - it's a hobby that takes time, money, and dedication. With winter starting here in northern Indiana and probably coming soon to you guys, it comes to mind that you've only tried one snow pattern so far. I hope to see some more snow camo tests and/or other camo tests in a snowy environment from you!
Ryan W The problem is brother is that it hardly ever snows where I am. Pretty much the planets have to align in order for me to be able to film in the snow. The flip side to that is because it doesn't snow that much, I really don't want to invest money into snow patterns that I'll never or rarely use.
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Makes sense - we get buried up here. I have an odd idea for an effectiveness test, although it may be applicable to a lot of operators. How well does the classic Urban camouflage work in an urban environment? I know this one might be a pain to test, but maybe find a parking lot behind a department store with fields or woods adjacent and maneuver through equipment, around storage crates, even among cars or trucks.
great video Brent, just another reason I have more woodland camo than anything else...I think its the most effective pattern here in florida, especially south of Ocala...
Its pretty good, just because a pattern is old doesn't mean its some how obsolete. Just like the old German WWII patterns, they're just as effective now as they were back then.
Brent0331, if you had to choose either this or the marpat woodland, which would you go with?
For the people saying stuff like, "I saw you right away!", Once again you were LOOKING for him. If you were just hiking through the area while he was filming this, you'd never have seen him.
I love these videos. Both this and the autumn Woodland MARPAT video I could only spot you one time.
Yeah I think both of them did very well during this time of the year. After watching the Rhodesian and Vegetato videos I thought to myself that both Woodland and MARPAT would probably preform very well.
Great video man. My 8 year military career I only wore two distinct sets of BDU's...the Woodland and during my tour in OIF 2 the Deserts. DCU'S were great by the way. Light weight and very durable. I ETS in '05 so I never had the pleasure of wearing the ACU's...thank God lol. I like some of the A-Tac patterns. I even have a couple of sets of A-Tac cami's...but The old school Woodland BDU is still king when it comes to true camoflauge in a wooded and jungle enviorment.
I went college in SD and alot people used the dcu because it blends in with grass during the autumn.
I think woodland works because of the high contrast, sharp and large blobs. All other camos using micropatterns, grandients or depth based perception have lost some of the capacity that woodland had to break up shapes, specially at longer ranges. I might reconsider going back to woodland, right now I own several patterns and I dropped everything woodland, but long ago when I used it I think I could conceal better.
First of all, I'd like to say thank you for a lot of great content! I'm quite new to your channel, but so far I must admit I am impressed. Just a suggestion though: Kneeling or going prone behind shrubbery or trees doesn't really show the effectiveness of the camouflage itself, it shows how good you are at hiding. Kneeling or going prone IN FRONT of said vegetation (in plain view) would better demonstrate the effectiveness of the camouflage itself, instead of the skills of the wearer.
I think that the Woodland performed better in this video than in Part I. Well done Brent!
MetalMilitiaMan87 Yeah, I concur. During the spring time here the vegetation is so overwhelming, during this time of the year though more of the browns and darker colors are present which seem to really work with the woodland pattern.
Our Mutual Assistance Group (MAG) wears basic Olive green pants, with an Olive green light shirt , with a woodlands BDU shirt as the summer jacket. Our group is from mid-northern Ontario Canada. Woodlands is a great fit there.. This in three out of four seasons...
I think the most awesome Us army Uniform was woodland camo and m16a2 rifle
Works WAY better than in part I.
Nice review! I think the BDUs worked better in the fall than in the spring in your area. Switching to the ACU was a tragedy
0:52 wow :D total blend in. Anyways - idk how effective this pattern is, but it'll always be my favorite because it reminds me of the 80s and 90s :D I had a jacket and two pairs of pants back then :D Wore them all the time :D
Holy fucking shit this is like chameleon skin in the fall!
Can you also do a test of OD green during fall? Like when all the leaves fall off but not in a environment with lots of reeds or dead grass becasue it will make it stand out, just use areas with trees with tress with no leaves and dead leaves on the ground
I always thought camo was stupid cause when you go near it, you could see black and other colors. I did not expect alot of camo to be this effective
The downfall of woodland Camo is the black, blackness in nature almost never occurs. Even your shadow is not black, your shadow on green grass would be just darker green. Look at the deciduous forest and you can actually see alot of not only bright green, but yellow. Also leaves are shiny they reflect light, so when you hear of camo being "too dark" its because it eats too much light. You can see here when it is very overcast, the woodland works great because the leaves are not reflecting much light and shining, making the woodland camo look like a dark blob.
That was their reasoning for adopting the crappy UCP and we saw how well that worked. I guess that's why tigers have black stripes or a panther blends so well with his natural habitat, or a leopard has black spots, etc, etc.
The downfall is that the overall colors are too dark, not that it includes black, which gives the illusion of depth.
@@davecarter8109 Most animals don't have color vision, so color isn't as important if you're hunting deer.
That myth needs to die. We saw it proven wrong with UCP. Look at CADPAT and tell me black is bad.
Even after all these years I still love this stuff and still very effective, I guess that's why the RAIDERS/MARSOC still use it. We actually had the opportunity to wear some of the old ERDL (green dominant) stuff on a deployment a lifetime ago, and that stuff was absolutely awesome considering the environment we were in. Still have one of the shirt/jackets. Keep up the good work, love your vids, you remind me of my "old" first sergeant sometimes. Anyway, what do you think of the AOR2 stuff from the Navy in these types of environments?
At 0:55, dude I didn’t even see him until he got up, why I love the BDU
as always man great video. everyone has seemed to just shrugged this pattern off but it still works
speakersmcgee Thanks man, and you're right. Like I said in another comment to someone else, there is no such thing as an "obsolete" camouflage pattern, its just as effective today and it was when it was first issued.
Woodland best of the best
Which do you prefer, the Marpat woodland, or the original woodland
Marpat defiantly blends in better
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I would say original. Marpat is a digital micro pattern and just like other micro patterns it comes together in one color at a distance. The old woodland maintains it's contrast near and far.
The one bad thing about M81 now a days is that every soldier for the past 20 years has been shooting at geronimo wearing bdus. Unfortunately when I see it, I see red. Still love the camo though!
I've had people get so close they almost stepped on me . i can also sneak up on people and leave and they will never know i was there . that's how affective woodland camo is . woodland is one of the best camo patterns ever created .
I can't stop buying woodland I love it so much.
Nice one man i blended in really well I'd definitely have this as a bushcraft uniform
Perfect, i couldnr spot you in any of these, its hard to beat woodland in the right enviornment. Part 1, spring, is probably better suited for od green.
thank you for the response ,I live in northern Indiana near lake Michigan
Thanks Brent! Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!
Kris Says: you too brother.
Im a multi cam fan boy but this woodland looks like it works pretty well
I feel like this is where the pattern shines. In your previous video, cadpat would have worked the best with all the vibrant green
Woodland still looks great! Btw,if u don't mind. Which pistol holster model is that? Great work as usual.....
The american one (the original) has very a well balanced colour palette; other countries made too obscure (and less versatile) versions of it.
Hey Brett, first off I'd like to say I've seen nearly all of your videos and I enjoy your channel a lot; and I thank you for your years of service. So I've got a few questions for you: I noticed in Lone Survivor, Don Shipley's SEAL Expierence courses, pictures of real SEALs, even at BUDS they wear either Woodland or 3-desert camo. Meanwhile other branches have made very complex camo's over the years while SEALs stay with these two. Now I hear both the Army and Marines will be adopting multicam very soon. Who do you think is doing it right? Also: I live in West Colorado, climate and landscape are nearly identical to Afghanistan: mainly mountainous desert all year with patches of vegetation here and there with the occasional forests and nearly 100% chance of snow each winter. Very tricky to make myself an all around kit for any type of disaster in which I need to leave town. I've decided for all my gear (backpack, chest rig, pouches, weapons, etc) will be coyote tan regardless of my clothing decision. I started buying multicam clothes at first, but I noticed it was too dark contrasting in the desert, and too bright in the dead Forrest; should I keep buying multicam or should I start buying and mixing woodland and 3 desert?
RAGGARADEthirst As far as I know when you're talking about units like the SEALs or S/F, those units can wear what ever uniform they what. I think the pictures/video you're watching of SEALs dressed in older utilities in theater are mainly older pictures/video back before the Navy came out with its own digital patterns. I know the SEALs for instance have a Desert digital pattern that they wear now that is very similar to what we wear in the Marine Corps. By the way, I'm not sure where you heard this but the Marine Corps has no plans on switching to MultiCam or any other pattern for that matter. I am a Marine and I have not heard anything about us changing. If anything I think we have the right idea in having two separate patterns. Although, I do see the utility and flexibility in having a pattern like MultiCam. As far as Woodlan and 3 color desert, they're both tried an true patterns, and just because they have been replaced does not make them ineffective.
***** I know SEALs and SF aren't generally issued anything, but I was mainly referring to Lone Survivor; I didn't realize Operation Red Wing occurred just a few months before Marines were issued MARPAT. Even still BUDs trainees to this day wear Woodland, and veteran SEAL Don Shipley still wears 3 Des and Woodland as well as his classmates. The question I really wanted to boil down to, is the Military adapting; or do SEALs know better? On the Multicam topic: I saw about a dozen Marines in a comment section on Instagram talking about how they were changing to Multi along with the Army, I wish I could have gotten a link of some sort for it.
I remember seeing guys wearing 3 color desert with woodland supplemented in some places. This was in either Iraq or Afghanistan. I think it is a cool look and wonder if it's more or less effective than plain woodland in the fall/winter months. To break up the outline a bit more.
Nothing beats good old DPM though! I still kind of wish our soldiers were still using it over MTP.....
I love the wood land camo. its way more effective than any digital pattern I have seen. I don't know why the military went to digital camos. there is no pixels in nature. only in high tech camera equipment. thanks brother excellent vid.
wayne wollschlager Thanks for watching. I wouldn't right off the digital patterns though brother, did you see the MARPAT PART II video yet? I actually filmed both of these back to back. I will say, I think the Woodland pattern is excellent. When you consider its tried and true effectiveness and the amount of quality U.S. military gear, clothing, and equipment you can pick up for GREAT prices, woodland is hard to beat.
Genuine question here. For an environment as shown here, would m81 or multicam/ocp work better?
You should test out the Pencott lineup. If you got the dough then go with SOD gear. If not, Helikon.
Its just too expensive for me. All the new Multicam patterns, Pencott,and Crypek stuff is too pricy for me.
Can you please do one video with same camo pattern and location but with different light conditions (sunny, raining, dawn, cloudy, etc.) to compare the effectiveness? Woodland could be ideal pattern as a base for other camos.