The mistake that people often ignore is that Apple’s success comes from its software, not its hardware. You can throw any hardware you want at Windows, but it won’t change the fact that it’s still Windows.
Windows on ARM on my M1 Mac Mini works great (GPU is a little weak though). The problem is app compatibility. MS really needs to invest in a translation layer like Apple's Rosetta 2. If you could run all x86/x64 apps and even drivers via translation, ARM Windows would explode in the market.
you cannot translate driver code to ARM instruction set because it is running on ring0 but software is a lot different windows is built on x86 and it will remain on this while the company’s release drivers for arm example nvidia
@@sdfgsdfhsdfhj4646 I run x64 drivers on ARM on my Mac now. Apple thought ahead, built their system to handle architectural changes. The problem is Microsoft is stuck in a 20 century mindset, and has shown that they are ill-equipped to keep up with technological changes. That's how they completely missed the mobile market, why they're behind the curve, and holding up the whole industry on desktop ARM computers.
No. It's completely different. Apple's M chips have some partial x86 instructions on board, so it uses arm an x86 instructions natively. They have to use native arm instructions and they have some bugs to fix still. Not to mention Windows 11 is a bad OS on any device (data stealing, etc.)
Let’s hope Microsoft won’t charge an arm and a leg (sorry for the pun) for the laptops. They need to get more of them out in the wild so that there can be a bigger percentage users using them and that developers can develop more apps for them
They probably will even though the entire point of windows on ARM is making windows laptops viable for consumers again with better battery performance, more reasonable prices, and lightweight powerful hardware.
The Surface lineup would be overpriced, but that is a good thing so as not to cannibalize the other hardware manufacturers' market. I'm typing on my favorite Windows on ARM device: a Samsung Galaxy Book Go.
Still good enough. Also as a C++ programmer i can finally program myself. I hope microsoft returns to phone market so i can start writing win32 apps for phone.
well, ppl are running x86 windows games on android, so maybe now windows on arm rly make some sense. 17:08 i just want to Microsoft give up and go away, they already damaged the PC Gaming enought, just let us enjoy things. (and they already damaged the gaming landscape in general too, SO JUST GO AWAY, MICROSOFT)
You failed to say that the Qualcomm chip is designed by the team that designed the m1, also their demos where running resolve, and video editing is one of the most demanding task you can do and it beat the m2.
ok so, apparently the qualcomm chip was running at 80w and the m2 runs at around the 15w mark, yes the qualcomm chip does beat the m2 but power efficiency and the heat it produces is significantly worse. no hate to either company tho
Because it's almost irrelevant to state it those same guys have worked and developped CPU's at INTEL, ARM, AMD, Google and Broadcom, you won't find many great cpu's architect in the world that's why it's almost the same guys designing these CPU accross all of these companies
@@bumholetickl3r there are two versions of this CPU the 80w and the 23W, remember these are peak performance, and the M2 max has around 36W of peak performance, and beats the X elite but by a tiny margin, (14029 -X elite and 14498 for the M2 Max), you have to also know that the m2 max has 4 E cores and 8 P cores while the X elite has 12 P cores which means their performance are much more efficient that the M2 max
You failed to say the not-yet -released Qualcomm chip beat the last year M2 chip, not the actually-being-sold M3 chip. I find all this decades long _"Our Vaporware vs Their Past Selling Technology"_ really exhausting. Compare like with like, don't fudge.
@@peterbreis5407 it beats the M3 and M3 Pro but the M3 series are more efficient, I'm not a fan neither of Qualcomm or Apple or Windows, just stating the facts here, I'm myself a firmware developer, I've been designing some ASIC with VHDL in Europe some of them using ARM instructions set, I'm just excited to see the competition
I have been running a Parallels Desktop 19 Windows 11 on ARM virtual machine (4 cores, 8 GB) on my new M3 Pro MacBook Pro (36 GB ram/1 TB SSD) since early November. As Brad opined, Windows 11 on ARM is very snappy - boots in 10 seconds on my MBP and Excel (or any Office app) boots in 1 second and Excel launches a file from the cloud in about 1 second. Impressive. Of course, with all my available system ram, Windows 11 and their apps basically are running in a "RAM disk" type layout so of course, the performance will be snappy even under all that emulation. Also, even though I am running this on a premium high end ARM based machine, it is only in a VM that is configured having only 4 CPU cores and 8 GB RAM so if users will be using this OS platform on native hardware, that hardware would not need to be "high end", IMO. The one problem, of course, is still app compatibility. Microsoft Teams running in that environment "sucks". I much prefer using the native macOS MS Team app. Paradoxically, for those who remember, MS Teams in Windows 11 on ARM runs just about as poorly in that Apple Silicon VM environment as Apple's Microsoft iTunes app (when it first came out) running natively on a Windows Machine back in the day. And Adode Elements won't even install even though it is listed ready for download in the MS Store app. I have found more examples of such software incompatibilities. So yes, Windows 11 on ARM is a good OS. I really haven't experienced any "system crashes" yet. But Microsoft will NEED something akin to Apple's Rosetta 2 translation layer for older X86 based apps when they finally release this OS to different vendors (other than Qualcomm) and their hardware for Windows on ARM to be as successful as Apple has been with their M class computers.
You make a good point. I would like to see Windows run natively on an ARM processor on a Mac or any other PC. I was shocked at how fast Windows is running on my Mac M2 using Parallels. But, what will the damage be to Intel and AMD if PC manufacturers start moving to ARM processors?
There are very few advantages of X86_64, expecially in laptops. Their losses could be massive if they dont adapt to the changes in the industry, though I reckon they have some time still.
once upon a time i really cared about that product. i cared so much. now.. its too late. i've moved on to mac and ms still releasing beta products as their flagship surface devices. that's the history of ms and google though. the surface line as well as the xbox line is not a priority for them as its not part of their main business model. It's just a side diversification and advertising/public perception gig. It used to be their business model once upon a time. But Microsoft and google are both not targeting regular end consumers like you and me. To be honest, I now think that the surface line is purely an advertising thing and serves to appease investors. That's my opinion. The day that MS started selling windows 10 and windows 11 for cheap or with free updates from windows 10 to windows 11, was the death of windows. So what chance does the surface line have. Also they killed the surface studio just like they do with everything. They underpowered the first two while both of them faced the jittery line issue that made it useless for anyone. They then released the surface studio laptop. Really? So the surface laptop, surface studio, surface studio laptop, surface book, and surface devices, xbox 360, xbox one, xbox one s, xbox one x, xbox series x, xbox series x. Do they even care with these naming schemes? It looks like a grab your attention and quick sell today scheme with no regard or security for the future. Because it's just that. If it doesn't do well today, there won't be a tomorrow. They have no interest in these projects. We as end consumers do. But we're not their target audience. Enterprise customers are. The surface laptop studio should have been the surface x or something else. they replaced the studio's name with the laptop. now if you type in surface studio, its no longer the one that we are talking about. Basically a cover up.
I firmly believe that windows is finally going the way of arm. With lifestyles being more mobile these days and more and more people not even owning a PC, just a laptop, I think microsoft and qualcomm finally are realizing that if they want to stop apple from continuing to gain ground, they have to innovate on the ARM end. That means make windows on arm better, improve the x86 compatibility layer, and actually partner with OEM laptop manufacturers on ARM hardware. More importantly, microsoft needs to onboard app developers to support arm apps. I wouldn't be opposed either to having a windows cross platform app sort of think kind of like how java apps work perfectly cross platform, doing away with different apps for arm and x86. So many possibilities and all microsoft needs to do is actually learn how to communicate (their Achilles heel as it seems)
I think it’s Project Denver that is NVIDIA’s VLIW architecture that has been used in some ARM-based devices that uses code transforming, and also is equally capable of running x86 but hadn’t provided that capability in firmware yet. It would be interesting if this is the design they will be going with as it could perform really well, possibly even better than Apple’s x86 emulation. I don’t know what Apple is using but VLIW architecture seems to be better for code transform, probably just easier to emit larger more high-level operations than many sequence dependent smaller ones, and letting hardware deal with pipelining. In any case, x86 emulation performance is a big key to ARM adoption. And it will have to be competitive at least to current gen i5.
The Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite was designed by the *same* guys that made the M1. They bought Nuvia which was started by former Apple engineers that made the M1.
I've run Windows 11 on ARM for some time now, and almost everything works, but the main issue is tha the OS reports that it's running on ARM and not x64 which confuses a lot of apps, especially developer toolchains. Microsoft also doesn't have Rosetta to virtualize x86 code AFAIK. That's one of the best things about macOS if you're running Windows.
@@Longlius This is what I thought too, but it is not true. Gary Explains shows that both perform similarly. Windows 11 even does it better in some cases.
I have the Surface Pro 9 5G, SSD upgraded to 2TB. I am surprised how good it is. When not doing serious stuff on it, I find it surprisingly good at playing the sort of games I like to play (XCOM 2 WOTC, Beyond a Steel Sky, The Witcher).
Ignore anything Windows + ARM until the Qualcomm Nuvia-acquisition chips come out. Those will be true "desktop" ARM chips that will be able to compete with the Apple M-series. The SoCs are supposed to release this year (2024). My buddy is a director at Qualcomm (yeah, I know, everyone is a dog on the internet) but he wouldn't BS me and the Nuvia tech, before acquisition, was seen as pretty revolutionary, so I am more optimistic than not Qualcomm isn't BSing about performance. Remember, this isn't related to their former desktop attempts at all, this is a brand new, completely different ARM architecture, they developed out of their Nuvia acquisition. The Nuvia engineers were/are all former Apple M1 engineers.
Talking about the possibility of an Xbox Mobile Store, will we get the infernal abomination that is the horrible Windows store or something crap but usable that's the Xbox Store? Microsoft has had decades to make the windows store usable but it's still worse than a school mockup I made in highschool in 94. I think we will something on that note and it's going to be DOA.
Speaking of ISPs, I have Comcast cable service at the moment, and aside from their insane monthly bandwidth usage limits, they're better than the one other option I have. They do IPv6 correctly (route a /56 to me to do with as I please), no CGNAT on the IPv4 side, etc. The one alternative ISP does CGNAT, no IPv6 at all, and costs even more - it shouldn't even be legal to sell a connection like that without at very least explicitly informing potential customers up front before you sign up.
I agree windows 11 on arm runs great inside parallels on my MBP m1 max.... looking forward to the day I can do so natively on an arm system that's comparable... quiet cool and decent battery life...
I got the TP Link Deco (three hub mesh) and it has been awesome. Super super easy to setup, and it finally let me maximize my 1gb fiber. Awesome coverage in the entire house and out in the back yard.
I've had 3 surface pro's and eventually all 3 failed because the power jack allowed junk inside which eventually broke charging. Hopefully by now they have switched so some other interface like USB3-C. I'm using a tough book CF-33 instead these days. Used they can be had for 300-$500.
@@C20F That a very Apple like "you're not holding it right" answer. The pro's I used pre-dated USB3 charging. It's good to know that you can charge over USB now.
Regarding Microsoft doing a handheld xbox i dont think we will see one but I think Microsoft will work on Windows for Games. I own the rog ally and its an amazing device especially now i have a 3080 dock for the tv. But making Windows lighter for them would be massive. Looking forward to seeing more Arm conputers on the market to.
I currently have an ARM based laptop, the Galaxy Book Go 5G. There is one major problem with ARM based laptops and desktops. If for some reason, you need to do a clean install by going to the Microsoft website to create a USB of Windows 11 using the Media Creation Tool, it cannot be done. Currently Microsoft does not offer this as an option for ARM based laptops and desktops.
Steam Deck really needs to get Native Xbox Game Pass. The OLED Steam Deck has fixed so much more than the screen, most importantly the battery life. If the Steam Deck had a way to download your Game Pass games, then I feel like that would make it the defacto Xbox handheld (Mostly because of the Steam integration and very console like interface, as well as the cheapest quality handheld PC presently)
But Steam don't want you to play on Game Pass. They want you to buy games on Steam. Unless Steam and Microsoft cut a deal so you can buy Game Pass through Steam and download the Steam versions of games available on Game Pass, there is no incentive for Steam to add native Game Pass functionality . Infact they're incentivised to not give you that functionality.
I mean Xbox definutely does deals like that... Thats how EA Access got rolled into Game Pass a few years ago. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why you can't presently do that, but it also is pretty much a main selling point for the Steam Decks competition, The ROG Ally.@@joshsfox6266
Like the command key, I imagine Apple will accept the copilot key and make it a Siri key and then keyboard manufacturers will just accept it and a new wave of people replacing their perfectly fine keyboards will commence
I love my Surface Pro 9 5G, and plan on upgrading to the Pro 10 with the new ARM processor when it comes out. I love the always in connection and instant-on. It’s a great device.
Please make a rant about thread and matter! Matter absolutely wrecked my IOT setup to the point I god rid of all my non Philips hue branded plugs and switches and switched to hue only as they’re the only reliable system right now.
Reminds me of nuclear fusion, always coming in X time, but that X always stays constant; it will be two years away for ten years at least. Microsoft makes all their software so complicated and they are so fossilized into the Intel architecture they will never really seriously bother with ARM.
Hey Brad! Long-time listener, odd-time question-er(?) Most, if not all of the focus of A.I. is around this Co-Pilot feature. Awhile back I remember you mentioning that Stardock was looking into using it in one of their games. Just curious if you could talk a bit about A.I. and whether newer games might leverage this new hardware in their games and what that would look like. Thanks!
Microsoft has had ARM for years at least since WinRT with Windows 8.0 they have also been involved with their own CPUs to a degree the SQ1/2 an option in Surfaces. The question is when is there going to be a half decent ARM Windows PC or if Intel or AMD is finally going to produce something special in this area of the market.
ai/copilot is going to change everything. as a developer I think it's integration with Github is game chnaging. I can understand why they are giving it a dedicated key.
You gonna need hackers (for educational purposes) to find a way to make it possible for an Mac OS iso to run on these machines, which I would love to see soon
woA Windows on Arm - been around for a long long time. Surface tablets? Non pro were WoA. Another button ? Its the windows key/ they have been so successful with changing the start menu. betcha that box supports windows 11
I don't know, I think MS is leaving money (and mindshare) on the table by not making an XBox handheld. There have to be "casual" Xbox fans who don't want to deal with Windows.
@@menagachinnathambi3348 arm and risc v are very similar so even if that happens it will be much better than having arm and x86_64, compatibility and stuff would probable be much easier too
I think Microsoft is gonna making a handheld xbox console with arm windows os for it; they're playing it just like Nintendo with low power devices that up scales games with dlss and ray tracing. And maybe just maybe restatring black berry power by windows.
As Woody Allen once wrote, "90% of success is showing up." It's been a very long time since anyone has tried to take a truly new ISA to the mainstream. It's a crushingly expensive proposition and this is why the only contender for shaking up the market, RISC V, is open source.
The extreme backwards compatibility on x86 is now dead weight. It takes silicon, power and added complexity to the decoders to support all the ancient features of x86. x86s is interesting but it is not being implemented fast enough or the changes large enough. A lot of the older instructions like the MMX extension should be removed. If Intel and AMD can sit down and streamline x86 ISA it could still remain viable with backwards compatibility done in software.
Love your channel man, but blindly ignoring how anticonsumer Ngreedia is is horrible for us. It sucks that very few figures have the balls to call them out, instead of all these free worshipping. If our future is Qualcomm and Ngreedia, then we are truly screwed .
Last time I've tried WOA which was about 8 months ago it was a pretty abysmal experience only good for browsing the web on firefox and opening word documents. Literally anything else I need for work ran slower than a quadriplegic in a 100 meter sprint
Content creators always want news from businesses and it's like, I get it. Sure we want some news, but businesses don't owe you that, especially if the product isn't a stable consistent item. Game dev isn't a color by numbers thing.
Ai chat bots were Jailbroken by NTU in Singapour they even had A.I that atempted to infect other A.I and actively avoided attempts to fix the hack, Its not safe and I give it less than a year before we have a major data issue because of currupt A.I that you cant remove from a system.
Does it really matter anymore? Computer hardware is so agnostic now, the only thing that matters is the software. As long as they can keep windows up and running it doesn't matter what chip is running, it's just source code. These android phone word editors suck eh? :-( why does copilot get its own key when Clippy has been waiting literally decades for his? So unfair man.
Huge news from a Rockstar dev insider regarding Grand Theft Auto VI: 3/3 -Xbox Series S onwers will be in a big pickle or not depending how you feel about....... -Rockstar is not and will not develop for the XSS. -XCloud will be the only way to play it on XSS so that the GFX will match the XSX and PS5 versions just at lower res(*it depends) and with a little bit more input lag(leaked Xbox pad may eliminate that). -Because of this Xbox is scrambling to get XCloud out of beta and have a 4K stream(*) just like PS5's streaming service.
Your confidence is misplaced. Qualcomm leading the way with Snapdragon 8 Gen series ahead of Apple mobile wise. Nvidia who is....floundering? Yeah my bets with the market leader fam.
Arm surface laptop will be selling at high price. It will be another failure again as apps aren't compatible and why would people pay for a useless machine ?
wonder if they going to release a LEG?
about to say that kinda lame joke 😂
I see what you did there. Kudos 🎉
Hopefully before nintendo releases their legs.
Mayby they allready run away
Next up head and shoulders
The mistake that people often ignore is that Apple’s success comes from its software, not its hardware. You can throw any hardware you want at Windows, but it won’t change the fact that it’s still Windows.
Windows on ARM on my M1 Mac Mini works great (GPU is a little weak though). The problem is app compatibility. MS really needs to invest in a translation layer like Apple's Rosetta 2. If you could run all x86/x64 apps and even drivers via translation, ARM Windows would explode in the market.
you cannot translate driver code to ARM instruction set because it is running on ring0 but software is a lot different windows is built on x86 and it will remain on this while the company’s release drivers for arm example nvidia
@@sdfgsdfhsdfhj4646 I run x64 drivers on ARM on my Mac now. Apple thought ahead, built their system to handle architectural changes. The problem is Microsoft is stuck in a 20 century mindset, and has shown that they are ill-equipped to keep up with technological changes. That's how they completely missed the mobile market, why they're behind the curve, and holding up the whole industry on desktop ARM computers.
? how you run native windows on a apple silicon it is not possible right now you can only run inside of the paralells @@rickkarrer8370
No. It's completely different. Apple's M chips have some partial x86 instructions on board, so it uses arm an x86 instructions natively. They have to use native arm instructions and they have some bugs to fix still. Not to mention Windows 11 is a bad OS on any device (data stealing, etc.)
Always look forward to your shows.
Simply asking all the software company by officially announcing by microsoft will have more impact
Let’s hope Microsoft won’t charge an arm and a leg (sorry for the pun) for the laptops. They need to get more of them out in the wild so that there can be a bigger percentage users using them and that developers can develop more apps for them
They probably will even though the entire point of windows on ARM is making windows laptops viable for consumers again with better battery performance, more reasonable prices, and lightweight powerful hardware.
The Surface lineup would be overpriced, but that is a good thing so as not to cannibalize the other hardware manufacturers' market. I'm typing on my favorite Windows on ARM device: a Samsung Galaxy Book Go.
Still good enough. Also as a C++ programmer i can finally program myself. I hope microsoft returns to phone market so i can start writing win32 apps for phone.
well, ppl are running x86 windows games on android, so maybe now windows on arm rly make some sense.
17:08 i just want to Microsoft give up and go away, they already damaged the PC Gaming enought, just let us enjoy things. (and they already damaged the gaming landscape in general too, SO JUST GO AWAY, MICROSOFT)
You failed to say that the Qualcomm chip is designed by the team that designed the m1, also their demos where running resolve, and video editing is one of the most demanding task you can do and it beat the m2.
ok so, apparently the qualcomm chip was running at 80w and the m2 runs at around the 15w mark, yes the qualcomm chip does beat the m2 but power efficiency and the heat it produces is significantly worse. no hate to either company tho
Because it's almost irrelevant to state it those same guys have worked and developped CPU's at INTEL, ARM, AMD, Google and Broadcom, you won't find many great cpu's architect in the world that's why it's almost the same guys designing these CPU accross all of these companies
@@bumholetickl3r there are two versions of this CPU the 80w and the 23W, remember these are peak performance, and the M2 max has around 36W of peak performance, and beats the X elite but by a tiny margin, (14029 -X elite and 14498 for the M2 Max), you have to also know that the m2 max has 4 E cores and 8 P cores while the X elite has 12 P cores which means their performance are much more efficient that the M2 max
You failed to say the not-yet -released Qualcomm chip beat the last year M2 chip, not the actually-being-sold M3 chip.
I find all this decades long _"Our Vaporware vs Their Past Selling Technology"_ really exhausting.
Compare like with like, don't fudge.
@@peterbreis5407 it beats the M3 and M3 Pro but the M3 series are more efficient, I'm not a fan neither of Qualcomm or Apple or Windows, just stating the facts here, I'm myself a firmware developer, I've been designing some ASIC with VHDL in Europe some of them using ARM instructions set, I'm just excited to see the competition
Arm is taking over the world. All phones are on arm and x86 will be replaced by arm too.
I have been running a Parallels Desktop 19 Windows 11 on ARM virtual machine (4 cores, 8 GB) on my new M3 Pro MacBook Pro (36 GB ram/1 TB SSD) since early November. As Brad opined, Windows 11 on ARM is very snappy - boots in 10 seconds on my MBP and Excel (or any Office app) boots in 1 second and Excel launches a file from the cloud in about 1 second. Impressive. Of course, with all my available system ram, Windows 11 and their apps basically are running in a "RAM disk" type layout so of course, the performance will be snappy even under all that emulation. Also, even though I am running this on a premium high end ARM based machine, it is only in a VM that is configured having only 4 CPU cores and 8 GB RAM so if users will be using this OS platform on native hardware, that hardware would not need to be "high end", IMO.
The one problem, of course, is still app compatibility. Microsoft Teams running in that environment "sucks". I much prefer using the native macOS MS Team app. Paradoxically, for those who remember, MS Teams in Windows 11 on ARM runs just about as poorly in that Apple Silicon VM environment as Apple's Microsoft iTunes app (when it first came out) running natively on a Windows Machine back in the day. And Adode Elements won't even install even though it is listed ready for download in the MS Store app. I have found more examples of such software incompatibilities. So yes, Windows 11 on ARM is a good OS. I really haven't experienced any "system crashes" yet. But Microsoft will NEED something akin to Apple's Rosetta 2 translation layer for older X86 based apps when they finally release this OS to different vendors (other than Qualcomm) and their hardware for Windows on ARM to be as successful as Apple has been with their M class computers.
my windows 11 bootup speed is 7.4 sec in my ryzen 5 5600x based PC
You make a good point. I would like to see Windows run natively on an ARM processor on a Mac or any other PC. I was shocked at how fast Windows is running on my Mac M2 using Parallels. But, what will the damage be to Intel and AMD if PC manufacturers start moving to ARM processors?
There are very few advantages of X86_64, expecially in laptops. Their losses could be massive if they dont adapt to the changes in the industry, though I reckon they have some time still.
don't forget that on parallels it can use rosetta. Something real WOA devices don't have.
@@Big-Chungus21They will just offer ARM based CPUs as well…
MICROSOFT released their SQ1 processor 3 MONTHS BEFORE Apple. WHY NOBODY KNOWS THAT ???????/
Is the Surface Studio 3 dead? Will they never bring out a Monitor only version of the Surface Studio?
once upon a time i really cared about that product. i cared so much. now.. its too late. i've moved on to mac and ms still releasing beta products as their flagship surface devices. that's the history of ms and google though. the surface line as well as the xbox line is not a priority for them as its not part of their main business model. It's just a side diversification and advertising/public perception gig. It used to be their business model once upon a time. But Microsoft and google are both not targeting regular end consumers like you and me. To be honest, I now think that the surface line is purely an advertising thing and serves to appease investors. That's my opinion. The day that MS started selling windows 10 and windows 11 for cheap or with free updates from windows 10 to windows 11, was the death of windows. So what chance does the surface line have. Also they killed the surface studio just like they do with everything. They underpowered the first two while both of them faced the jittery line issue that made it useless for anyone. They then released the surface studio laptop. Really? So the surface laptop, surface studio, surface studio laptop, surface book, and surface devices, xbox 360, xbox one, xbox one s, xbox one x, xbox series x, xbox series x. Do they even care with these naming schemes? It looks like a grab your attention and quick sell today scheme with no regard or security for the future. Because it's just that. If it doesn't do well today, there won't be a tomorrow. They have no interest in these projects. We as end consumers do. But we're not their target audience. Enterprise customers are. The surface laptop studio should have been the surface x or something else. they replaced the studio's name with the laptop. now if you type in surface studio, its no longer the one that we are talking about. Basically a cover up.
I firmly believe that windows is finally going the way of arm. With lifestyles being more mobile these days and more and more people not even owning a PC, just a laptop, I think microsoft and qualcomm finally are realizing that if they want to stop apple from continuing to gain ground, they have to innovate on the ARM end. That means make windows on arm better, improve the x86 compatibility layer, and actually partner with OEM laptop manufacturers on ARM hardware. More importantly, microsoft needs to onboard app developers to support arm apps. I wouldn't be opposed either to having a windows cross platform app sort of think kind of like how java apps work perfectly cross platform, doing away with different apps for arm and x86. So many possibilities and all microsoft needs to do is actually learn how to communicate (their Achilles heel as it seems)
Yes, we need mass adoption for Windows on ARM… Power hungry Intel/AMD chips is not the future!!!
I think it’s Project Denver that is NVIDIA’s VLIW architecture that has been used in some ARM-based devices that uses code transforming, and also is equally capable of running x86 but hadn’t provided that capability in firmware yet. It would be interesting if this is the design they will be going with as it could perform really well, possibly even better than Apple’s x86 emulation. I don’t know what Apple is using but VLIW architecture seems to be better for code transform, probably just easier to emit larger more high-level operations than many sequence dependent smaller ones, and letting hardware deal with pipelining. In any case, x86 emulation performance is a big key to ARM adoption. And it will have to be competitive at least to current gen i5.
The Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite was designed by the *same* guys that made the M1. They bought Nuvia which was started by former Apple engineers that made the M1.
No need for a “Co-Pilot” key… Just long press the “Windows” key!
I suspect the key is more for marketing than for actual functionality
Windows people should thank Apple for occasionally re-kickstarting Microsoft again.
It wont be mainstream until the next major version of windows only runs on ARM and there is no intel version.
I've run Windows 11 on ARM for some time now, and almost everything works, but the main issue is tha the OS reports that it's running on ARM and not x64 which confuses a lot of apps, especially developer toolchains. Microsoft also doesn't have Rosetta to virtualize x86 code AFAIK. That's one of the best things about macOS if you're running Windows.
Even windows 10 arm can virtualize x86 apps
Exactly. Without apps and games it becomes abandoned like the Microsoft OS for Smartphones.
@@balmashev93 Rosetta gets you near-native performance. AFAIK Windows for ARM x86 emulation is still incredibly slow.
@@Longlius This is what I thought too, but it is not true. Gary Explains shows that both perform similarly. Windows 11 even does it better in some cases.
And how are we going to launch our x86 games?
I have the Surface Pro 9 5G, SSD upgraded to 2TB. I am surprised how good it is. When not doing serious stuff on it, I find it surprisingly good at playing the sort of games I like to play (XCOM 2 WOTC, Beyond a Steel Sky, The Witcher).
Ignore anything Windows + ARM until the Qualcomm Nuvia-acquisition chips come out. Those will be true "desktop" ARM chips that will be able to compete with the Apple M-series. The SoCs are supposed to release this year (2024). My buddy is a director at Qualcomm (yeah, I know, everyone is a dog on the internet) but he wouldn't BS me and the Nuvia tech, before acquisition, was seen as pretty revolutionary, so I am more optimistic than not Qualcomm isn't BSing about performance. Remember, this isn't related to their former desktop attempts at all, this is a brand new, completely different ARM architecture, they developed out of their Nuvia acquisition. The Nuvia engineers were/are all former Apple M1 engineers.
Talking about the possibility of an Xbox Mobile Store, will we get the infernal abomination that is the horrible Windows store or something crap but usable that's the Xbox Store?
Microsoft has had decades to make the windows store usable but it's still worse than a school mockup I made in highschool in 94.
I think we will something on that note and it's going to be DOA.
Wait until Nvidia starts making ARM cpu's.
Thanks for the news!
If more devs hop on board to develop for arm that will open doors to developing for smart phones as well
There is some nice servers and workstations on ARM architecture
Just found your channel. First, my knees only creek “sometimes” sir! But seriously, loved the format and the info. Definite subscribe channel.😊
Is steam dropping support for 7 and 8 because it a glorified chrome browser and chrome dropped support for them
Speaking of ISPs, I have Comcast cable service at the moment, and aside from their insane monthly bandwidth usage limits, they're better than the one other option I have. They do IPv6 correctly (route a /56 to me to do with as I please), no CGNAT on the IPv4 side, etc. The one alternative ISP does CGNAT, no IPv6 at all, and costs even more - it shouldn't even be legal to sell a connection like that without at very least explicitly informing potential customers up front before you sign up.
I agree windows 11 on arm runs great inside parallels on my MBP m1 max.... looking forward to the day I can do so natively on an arm system that's comparable... quiet cool and decent battery life...
I was pleasantly shocked how snappy Windows ARM runs on my M1 Mac Mini through Parallels.
Always here for eero content! Would love to hear how you feel about the eero Pro service / experience.
why Microsoft do not bring podcasts app from windows phone to windows 11? imo it was the best, clean and fast, even videos were supported there.
My m2 MacBook Pro is 18 months old and it runs windows through virtualization well
The constant loop of stock footage makes me want to gouge my eyes out
I got the TP Link Deco (three hub mesh) and it has been awesome. Super super easy to setup, and it finally let me maximize my 1gb fiber. Awesome coverage in the entire house and out in the back yard.
My Surface pro X does everything I need it to. Its perfect for my workload/homelife.
I've had 3 surface pro's and eventually all 3 failed because the power jack allowed junk inside which eventually broke charging. Hopefully by now they have switched so some other interface like USB3-C.
I'm using a tough book CF-33 instead these days. Used they can be had for 300-$500.
I think people watching this don't know there was an ARM Surface years ago.
Mine works OK too.
@@C20F That a very Apple like "you're not holding it right" answer. The pro's I used pre-dated USB3 charging. It's good to know that you can charge over USB now.
Regarding Microsoft doing a handheld xbox i dont think we will see one but I think Microsoft will work on Windows for Games. I own the rog ally and its an amazing device especially now i have a 3080 dock for the tv. But making Windows lighter for them would be massive.
Looking forward to seeing more Arm conputers on the market to.
They won't do it, that would cannibalize Xbox and they know it, and Microsoft obviously needs the console market.
I currently have an ARM based laptop, the Galaxy Book Go 5G. There is one major problem with ARM based laptops and desktops. If for some reason, you need to do a clean install by going to the Microsoft website to create a USB of Windows 11 using the Media Creation Tool, it cannot be done. Currently Microsoft does not offer this as an option for ARM based laptops and desktops.
That's a software issue rather than an issue with ARM as a CPU.
Use UUP dump.
Steam Deck really needs to get Native Xbox Game Pass. The OLED Steam Deck has fixed so much more than the screen, most importantly the battery life. If the Steam Deck had a way to download your Game Pass games, then I feel like that would make it the defacto Xbox handheld (Mostly because of the Steam integration and very console like interface, as well as the cheapest quality handheld PC presently)
But Steam don't want you to play on Game Pass. They want you to buy games on Steam. Unless Steam and Microsoft cut a deal so you can buy Game Pass through Steam and download the Steam versions of games available on Game Pass, there is no incentive for Steam to add native Game Pass functionality . Infact they're incentivised to not give you that functionality.
I mean Xbox definutely does deals like that... Thats how EA Access got rolled into Game Pass a few years ago. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why you can't presently do that, but it also is pretty much a main selling point for the Steam Decks competition, The ROG Ally.@@joshsfox6266
How difficult for the next console to be ARM now that Microsoft is making it's own ARM chips.
nice video. how are you handling audio ? seems like your audio is ahead of video.
Any chance of 5G/LTE coming back to x86 Surfaces?
Like the command key, I imagine Apple will accept the copilot key and make it a Siri key and then keyboard manufacturers will just accept it and a new wave of people replacing their perfectly fine keyboards will commence
I love my Surface Pro 9 5G, and plan on upgrading to the Pro 10 with the new ARM processor when it comes out. I love the always in connection and instant-on. It’s a great device.
Please make a rant about thread and matter! Matter absolutely wrecked my IOT setup to the point I god rid of all my non Philips hue branded plugs and switches and switched to hue only as they’re the only reliable system right now.
Can you run Overwatch on Windows ARM in Parallels on a Mac? Probably not but maybe somebody tried? ^^
Reminds me of nuclear fusion, always coming in X time, but that X always stays constant; it will be two years away for ten years at least. Microsoft makes all their software so complicated and they are so fossilized into the Intel architecture they will never really seriously bother with ARM.
Hey Brad! Long-time listener, odd-time question-er(?)
Most, if not all of the focus of A.I. is around this Co-Pilot feature. Awhile back I remember you mentioning that Stardock was looking into using it in one of their games. Just curious if you could talk a bit about A.I. and whether newer games might leverage this new hardware in their games and what that would look like. Thanks!
Microsoft might release Surface laptops with both ARM the new Intel Meteor Lake processors since the latter will be able to handle AI related tasks.
Microsoft has had ARM for years at least since WinRT with Windows 8.0 they have also been involved with their own CPUs to a degree the SQ1/2 an option in Surfaces. The question is when is there going to be a half decent ARM Windows PC or if Intel or AMD is finally going to produce something special in this area of the market.
Yep that MSI claw has a straight Series X dish dpad and thumbsticks and buttons don't look far off either smart, I'd say
ai/copilot is going to change everything. as a developer I think it's integration with Github is game chnaging. I can understand why they are giving it a dedicated key.
Oh look, my Surface RT from TechEd 2013... 11 years later, ARM is new... again :)
Windows 11 on my M2 MacBook Air works really well. It is smooth, and I have had zero problems with it. I use that Mac for school..
Why should only x86 processors have the joy of ads in your OS and Edge taking over your PC and hijacking your Chrome tabs?
Good luck with the upgrade!
With Direct X being supported by less than 1/3 of the overall gaming market and almost no mobile support, What is the future for Direct X?
Where you getting these numbers? PS5 = 1, NSW = 1, and Xbox =
Vulkan will probably completely overtake it
Does this mean we can build Hackintoshes again? (for educational purposes)
You gonna need hackers (for educational purposes) to find a way to make it possible for an Mac OS iso to run on these machines, which I would love to see soon
I think bootcamp 2 would be released first, on apple silicon machines.
the lack of benchmark suggest ARM does not bring any improvement???
woA Windows on Arm - been around for a long long time. Surface tablets? Non pro were WoA. Another button ? Its the windows key/ they have been so successful with changing the start menu. betcha that box supports windows 11
MS already had ARM and they fucked it up. There's no indication they won't fuck up again :)
I don't know, I think MS is leaving money (and mindshare) on the table by not making an XBox handheld. There have to be "casual" Xbox fans who don't want to deal with Windows.
I got a feeling they will pull a Samsung and make the copliot button a bixby and you can't remap it
I was worried about that Copilot key, which I will likely NEVER use, replacing the context-menu key. I use the context-menu key all the dang time!
Just rebind it
I just hope that there are more arm devices with normal uefi so I can run linux on it
Agreed. Crossing my fingers. There's no point in moving to ARM if it's just going to lock out a bunch of operating systems (Linux, BSDs etc).
I want arm Hackintoshes to be a thing
Happy Friday my friends!
Something is definitely wrong with your wireless setup. I use a R7500v2 which is almost a decade old, and it gets me 500+mbps down easily.
The whole industry is moving to arm and the biggest winners will be gamers. Next console will be arm base. Then All games will run on everything.
But Google is planning to move Android to RISC V though
@@menagachinnathambi3348 arm and risc v are very similar so even if that happens it will be much better than having arm and x86_64, compatibility and stuff would probable be much easier too
@@menagachinnathambi3348they been planning to replace Android and Chrome Os with Fuchsia OS for like a decade now.
Heh heh, "just another button we can re-map". Good one :)
Still not ready. I returned my ARM PC. Hot mess.
I think Microsoft is gonna making a handheld xbox console with arm windows os for it; they're playing it just like Nintendo with low power devices that up scales games with dlss and ray tracing.
And maybe just maybe restatring black berry power by windows.
I don't want arm to become a monopoly. I get that they're power efficient but everything can't be arm. There needs to be competition.
It's called RISC-V
As Woody Allen once wrote, "90% of success is showing up." It's been a very long time since anyone has tried to take a truly new ISA to the mainstream. It's a crushingly expensive proposition and this is why the only contender for shaking up the market, RISC V, is open source.
The extreme backwards compatibility on x86 is now dead weight. It takes silicon, power and added complexity to the decoders to support all the ancient features of x86. x86s is interesting but it is not being implemented fast enough or the changes large enough. A lot of the older instructions like the MMX extension should be removed. If Intel and AMD can sit down and streamline x86 ISA it could still remain viable with backwards compatibility done in software.
One day maybe soon, I will be able to use a scanner with my Arm PC..... Had the damn thing for 2 years now
Love your channel man, but blindly ignoring how anticonsumer Ngreedia is is horrible for us.
It sucks that very few figures have the balls to call them out, instead of all these free worshipping.
If our future is Qualcomm and Ngreedia, then we are truly screwed .
Windows has some way to go with arm.. It's interesting that Apple was able to pull it off day one... But windows is having all these issues
Last time I've tried WOA which was about 8 months ago it was a pretty abysmal experience only good for browsing the web on firefox and opening word documents. Literally anything else I need for work ran slower than a quadriplegic in a 100 meter sprint
Content creators always want news from businesses and it's like, I get it. Sure we want some news, but businesses don't owe you that, especially if the product isn't a stable consistent item. Game dev isn't a color by numbers thing.
Ai chat bots were Jailbroken by NTU in Singapour they even had A.I that atempted to infect other A.I and actively avoided attempts to fix the hack, Its not safe and I give it less than a year before we have a major data issue because of currupt A.I that you cant remove from a system.
This is why I don’t want an ai in my computer
Does it really matter anymore? Computer hardware is so agnostic now, the only thing that matters is the software. As long as they can keep windows up and running it doesn't matter what chip is running, it's just source code. These android phone word editors suck eh? :-( why does copilot get its own key when Clippy has been waiting literally decades for his? So unfair man.
ZZzzz Surface Pro X has arm for a while.. and it sucks in regards to drivers, performance etc.
Huge news from a Rockstar dev insider regarding Grand Theft Auto VI: 3/3
-Xbox Series S onwers will be in a big pickle or not depending how you feel about.......
-Rockstar is not and will not develop for the XSS.
-XCloud will be the only way to play it on XSS so that the GFX will match the XSX and PS5 versions
just at lower res(*it depends) and with a little bit more input lag(leaked Xbox pad may eliminate that).
-Because of this Xbox is scrambling to get XCloud out of beta and have a 4K stream(*)
just like PS5's streaming service.
Lol you really thinks someone believes you
@@CrossUnity Absolutely not........
Gta6 is probably gonna be a 30fps game. Couldn't care less
Even older Iphone 12 or older SAMSUNG can give better video quality than yours.
Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
Arrived?......dont you mean its back.....ms has used arm before in the surface
Matter smart devices is the way to go 💯
Your confidence is misplaced. Qualcomm leading the way with Snapdragon 8 Gen series ahead of Apple mobile wise. Nvidia who is....floundering? Yeah my bets with the market leader fam.
No this Qualcomm is really a Nuvia chip made by ex apple employees.
peripherial is not a word btw
Arm surface laptop will be selling at high price. It will be another failure again as apps aren't compatible and why would people pay for a useless machine ?
Meh. It's still a windows. Let's see if it won't get clogged and bogged down after 5 months.
He was taking about xfinity
make a video why you justify paying $20/month vs copilot which is free
Drink every time 'peripheral' is pronounced without the second 'r'. 😵😵💫
Snapdragon X Elite Laptop ❤❤
Goodbye WIntel. Hello WArm
Wake me, when I can run windows well on cheap-ass arm CPUs