OMG!!! What VERY skilled railroad workers to be out there in the cold and rain after midnight working on getting those derailed cars back on the tracks while all of us are nice and warm in our beds sound asleep. I salute ALL of you for another job well done!
Yes indeed they are very skilled and fast no matter what time it is they are ready to go when needed evey sec that derailment sits there that food , medicine , products like tvs and shoes and more is not getting to store shelves and economy is on the balance every sec that track is closed off my hat off to them too!!
@@tylorevans Everything you said here is very true and thanks for sharing! This job would be tough enough in dry and sunny weather but I can only imagine how much more difficult it was in the conditions they were in that night. Thank God there was no blizzard to make the job even more nightmarish for them. And they would just tell us "It's all in a day's work." Again, I salute these workers for a job well done so quickly.
@@DougCeleste other idiot with the G word what's with the G word with guys we don't talk like that that's a girl thing man you people are unbelievable the window I don't want to join this stuff
Well done to all involved in clearing the line. If that had happened here in the UK, the line would remain blocked for at least a month. I liked watching the two Side-lifters at work with (I presume) the Counter-weights extending from the back when required. Thanks also to VR for providing yet another window on the wonderful world of American Railroads.
Even so, I am not sneering at UK rescue crews, more the systems under which they have to operate. I just hate to see any Train in distress (It is as bad as seeing an abandoned Railroad) At least there was no loss of life or serious injury here.
@@gp3829 You did not sneer. You told the truth. If they take offense at you pointing it out then that is their problem. Dont be quiet because of that. Speak up.
Midwest railroads started using Hulcher Cats beginning in the 80s, due to their increased mobility at derailment sites. Even so, big derailments are bulldozed aside so prefabricated track panels and ballast can be placed to restore service ASAP, and cleanup can continue.
I LOVE TRAINS !......I have always been nuts over them. Videos about trains, showing how they operate, how they are serviced and repaired,etc., are very interesting,too. Today, I learned something that I NEVER knew before. I always just figured that when a train is derailed, they bring in a big ( huge??) crane to lift it to install a new truck under it or just to put it back on track........YOUR VIDEO showed me it is done with TWO smaller cranes, one on each side. It may not mean much to others,but it means a lot to me. I learned one new thing today ( A very important idea : ALWAYS LEARN ONE NEW THING EVERY DAY). Thank you for this video, you taught one older guy one new thing..........Hooray for trains !
I think it’s great you “ highlife” the old vehicle’s from the past. They live in our memories of wonderful times. Thank you. Merry Christmas to you all and good tidings!
Wow! I'm so glad there were no injuries or fatalities. Those cranes remind me of the rotator tow trucks that are used to right jackknifed/overturned eighteen wheelers on the highway. Much respect goes to the crew that worked this derailment.
0:10 lovely CP plow train action 1:16 wow! one of those pink hoppers! I believe about a dozen of them exist and I've seen one myself in 2019 1:43 UP, NS, and CN triple-header 1:52 CSX F40s 1 and 2 trailing on a freight train with old boxcars 2:07 and here's the rest of the OCS. eight cars on the rear of the same freight train the F40s were on 3:10 CSX 1776 and Do Not Hump automated inspection boxcar 3:58 a wrapped Loram 2-piece grinder. Probably for a subway system 6:45 two Keystone services passing each other. One with an ACS64 on each end 7:27 BNSF B40-8Ws at SFJ 8:32 NS, CP, and UP triple-header 9:10 CSX towing the Capitol Limited past the WMSR 9:42 the derailment at Santa Fe Junction. This is the 2nd derailment on this track in one year. All the footage between here and the next timestamp is cleanup of this derailment 25:25 what a fast train here. 26:28 two C44-9Ws sold to GECX, each with different patch jobs 27:07 12-unit lash-up with two mid-train DPUs. A lot of dash 9s
Also: 26:57 a NS SD70AC painted in "Penn Central" colors leading a "regular" NS AC44C. I'm just amused because I thought the divvying up of Conrail meant that CSX got most of the old NYC routes, while NS got PRR. I remember seeing Conrail post-purchase locomotives in NS colors painted with "PRR" markings, but not "Penn Central" ones.
Santa Fe Junction...AGAIN? This one wasn't *quite* as spectacular/scary as the centerbeam-car "crunch-time" derailment from last time, but one has to wonder about the frequency of mishaps on that stretch of track. (Once again, props to the cleanup crew...they clearly know their stuff.)
Same exact spot where those centerbeams went off the rails a few months ago. I would guess too much pushing force for the curve, since in both cases, the cars went to the outer part of the curve.
@@htomc42 check rail on the inside then? Might keep the inner flange from the inner wheel set from coming over too much therefore might stop the outer wheel set from popping off? Just a thought.
In the shape he is in after his operations he needs to stop but that's what he does like it or not and he's a grown man doing what he wants and won't stop no matter what.
@@rogertemple7193 Ah but the issue is he promotes the activity on public media encouraging others, many who have no proper ability, knowledge, whatever, who often come to grief following an example of not only unwise but also illegal behavior.
I live near Roanoke, so that ending was a treat! Thanks for the derailment video, especially the cleanup. I learned a lot! "Could be worse. Could be raining." And the train full of engines was fascinating! They must have some steep mountains out there! LOL! 🤣😂🚊
Wow this is honestly the 3rd incident ive seen on VRF on that cam. First one I saw was the train derailment on the elevated track...then the one where the car that was on the same track as the one derailment you featured in this grab bag in this video that almost ripped the elevated bridge...and now this one....sheesh...this junction...you never know when or where in this area the next incident may happen next...nice catch VRF. Kudos to the crews who keep this area running despite any derailments or accidents that happen and even in this weather too
Not to mention the aluminum coal car that went by dragging it's wheel set underneath it, as it went past the camera on the bridge. It later caused about a 4 car derailment (off camera) just before it got off the bridge. The emergency brake application was captured as it tore the airlines apart when the rest derailed off camera.
Fascinating to see the equipment, skill of the men and work involved in clearing that derailmnent! Worked all night in the rain. Looked like they were also making measuments to see what is wrong with the track in that spot.
Very scary when these derailments occur, I wonder what caused it. I was very fascinated to see how those crews handled getting it cleaned up and cars back on the rails. Incredible coverage by VR!
Too much weight on the back pushing into the front as the train is trying to slow down. Same as last derailment, the trains are just getting too long, making these derailments easier to do. I like watching amazingly long trains as much as the next guy, but there comes a point where the management has to say, "are we getting too long?"
How many times are trains gonna derail at that junction?? They seriously need to reconstruct everything! On a side note, I wonder what was causing such huge sparks that almost looks like fire.
We had a couple of switches near corners in the middle of our freight yard. For decades that area was called The Money Pit. Must have had 10 plus derailments there. Finally an angry boss ordered them gone. And they were never missed. Good to see the safety practices in place for the wrecking crew and the supervisors keeping an eye on all the moves. Rail workers earn every dollar. Nothing easy about that job. Those side lift cranes are sure handy. We never had those. All lifting was done with a HI-Rail 100 ton crane with big outriggers.
Great video even though the derailment wasn't. Watching these guys hustle in the rain to get those cars upright etc! Those guys definitely deserve what they get paid and then some in my book! I watched this several times to try and figure out what caused the derailment but still clueless at some point! Almost makes me wonder if the train had empty cars at the head end. Cheers from Delmar, Delaware.
It looks like the grain car that ended up on it's side sheared the coupler off. I think that as it sheared the bad geometry on the curve pulled the ahead car out of alignment and everything went to sh!t after that. This all happened because the cars were empty. If they were loaded only the coupler would failed an the consist would have separated. OTOH, being empty made foe a rather painless cleanup.
Those covered hoppers were empty and not far behind the locos. There is a significant downgrade this train came down and the cars behind these MTs had to have been loaded and pushed the lighter cars over to the outside of the curve. If the units had been pulling hard, these cars probably would have stringlined or come off to the inside of the curve. I do not know, but if there was a DPU on the tail of that train, it could have pushed too much causing the same effect.
Those tarp covered loads on the long flatcars in La Plata look like Space 1999 space ships LOL The derailment is awful and amazing all at the same time. I just couldnt look away!
I always wondered how those derailments got back on track. I need a couple of those Train Car Hoist Tractors for my model Trains. Thanks for the video.
What a Place and Time to be in the right spot for this, Great response from Rail Worker's in I believe hostile weather to get this Right Of Way clear for Traffic Again, Awesome Job by them and Fantastic Video, Well Taken and Experience tells in The manner in which you handed this Video, Fantastic. John in Australia
once again I am not surprised it's at SFJ edit: can we get a derailment compilation of 2022? mainly a derailment compilation of SFJ. I know one of the derailments this year was at fort worth (which, RIP tower 55)
How do you manage to be so organized to get all that gear onto site and get those trucks sorted out so quick? Incredible work, and I enjoyed the rest of the video as well! Yes, they could certainly teach our workers how to do it, but then look at all the surrounding land they had to work on.
Being that the Santa Fe Jct. has become "a hot spot" for derailments lately, and the side-rigged dozers were driven onto the derailment site so fast (they arrived just 2 hours 40 minutes after the train came to an Emergency Stop) - the equipment must have been staged close by.
There was a derail near me 2 weeks ago, and Norfolk Southern had the track open the next day. It truly is amazing. The cars took a couple more days, but still 10 cars and two engines in a day.
Ashland Va is so beautiful! That cleanup crew was already packed and ready to go it appears. I used to ride c&o from Va to Bozeman Mt when i was younger. So much fun!
Anyone got any idea what plastic covered apparently new manufactured pieces of equipment were on one of the earlier trains which appeared to come as sets. Larger piece covered in white and the smaller piece wrapped in blue plastic. Maybe someone watching this recognizes these items as being manufactured near them and would have an idea. Just curious. It’s nice to see new heavy manufacturing being put out in these trying times. Great for our economy and country. Nothing like the good ole USA 🇺🇸
I have been watching train since I was eight years old here in 1958 in Hamilton Ohio. And the other day I saw a CSX engine that had a number 11 on the cab. That’s the lowest number engine I’ve ever seen come through here in all my years and I am 72 now. That was a very interesting derailment thank you for the post and love watching your drains. Hey what were the two big white wrapped up things on that one Train
Another great catch by VR ! To me it looks like a compression issue at SF Jctn...the cars are being pushed from behind and are lifted off the rails. Basically the opposite of a stringline . Maybe the DPU lost comms and didn't brake quick enough ? or a trainline air issue to the rear of the train? I guess we;ll never know but at least no one was hurt. Gregg.
Won't know for sure until the NTSB report comes out, but I'm sure you are pretty spot on. Too much weight pushing from the rear as the front is trying to either keep a steady speed, or slow down too fast. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that sharp curve is just after a slight grade as it makes it's way down to the river.
@@natural-born_pilot I'm not an engineer, but you control the DPU's (remote units) from the lead engine , and can choose to mimic the lead unit , or control the remote power separately. This is handy for mountain areas as you don't want the rear pushing hard as the front of the train goes down hill. But who knows what happened, maybe a comms loss ?? Gregg 🙂
The silent film comedy speed makes me want to laugh, but then when I watch what they’re actually doing to right the derailed cars I’m pretty impressed.
I'm originally from Waterloo Iowa and a retired trucker. I use to pick up at Monsanto there. Always wonder what would happen if a chemical tanker overturned in town.
Great compilation! Do the railroad owners ever publish an after action report, or a cause of error report, or a reason for derailment report? Is the NTSB involved in such accidents? I think reading a report on what happened and why and what changes will be implemented from what was learned to reduce the chances of a derailment happening again in Santa Fe or anywhere on the line would be fascinating and vital to improving rail reliability.
Let's see, the one with the two Union Pacific engines and autorack cars on the bridge was in 2020, so we had three since the start of 2022. Two under the bridge, and one on top (a coal car missing a set of wheels that eventually derailed off camera).
@@Tr2u1ck I am not familiar with that term, as I am nor a railroader. However, the setup was 2 lead, 2 middle, 1 rear engine. The derailment was in the rear section behind the 2 middle engine. weight hauling was around 27,000 tons.
@@jasons1506 Yup, so two sets of Distributed Power Units (DPUs) on that train. One set of two in the middle, and one in the rear. DPUs refer to the remote controlled locomotives in the middle or rear of the train. These locomotives are unmanned and controlled by the engineer/operator in the lead locomotive. When they used to have people in those locomotives before remote controlled engines were a thing, they used to be called "manned helpers" or "helper units." I believe Norfolk Southern still does that over Horseshoe Curve.
They were really lucky none of those bridge supports were not hit and taken out, they looked pretty flimsy, wouldn't take much. Anyone know what that was on those cars at 3:44?
My granddad was a track gang forman for Santa Fe outa Cleburne Texas, started after WW1 till the early 60s. My mom said when the phone would ring one long ring that would mean trouble on the line somewhere and off he'd go. Of course it was almost always in the middle of the night.
- I watched that derailing and the first thing that came to mind was in those towns you showed where the train was going through a down town small business Main Street with about 25 to 30 feet of clearance on each side and the train appeared to be going faster than this derailment, see 01:54 , also 05:35 played 1/2 speed for real speed view. I wouldn’t want to be in getting a haircut when a bunch of 65 ton hopper cars or tanker cars, etc, started scissoring and flipping over only 25 to 30 feet away!
Massive respect for the crew working the derailment - and in that weather! Bravo! Wasn't there another derailment on that curve earlier this year at that same spot? A car tried to climb the support, iirc. Tight curve, or does the channel pay them to derail on camera? 😉
The three one in just the last three years (2020, 2021, and 2022). Let's see if one happens next year. At this rate...... 🤷🏻♀️ At this point, it needs its own playlist complilation. Just glad no one was injured!
@@richardbause2453 Not sure of the date, but my relation is a local engineer that is on this curve all the time. He said it's the 3rd time this year. His friend was in the one from Feb 2nd.
Geeez, I have seen tons of graffiti on box cars, etc., but never on an engine like that at 03:18 ish ! Also, have they ever caught a derailing on camera at a speed exceeding…..say above 35mph ? ALSO, nice video. I’m not really into trains but occasionally I like to watch them. My curiosity comes from +22 years as a Sheriff’s Deputy and watching a derailing myself of a freight train unable to stop in time for a washed out bridge over a flooded creek and handling a couple freak accidents with personnel at a grain loading station and an uncountable number of fires on cars and around the tracks.
Wow, that curve at Santa Fe Junction really is cursed. Big respect to the recovery crews, toiling away overnight, in the pouring rain, to clear up that mess.
I think you mean 6:46. And that's not a CPL. That's a Position Light signal, but since it's colorized, it's more-properly called a Position-Color-Light signal. A Color-Position-Light signal is completely different, and is the baby of the B&O. It's not confusing at all. 🙂
Another question? Does anyone think that those are newly purchased train engines on flat cars covered in plastic? I think they are but are covered and are possibly being shipped overseas????
It looks as if these repeated derailments are due to the braking being too heavy whilst cornering, exacerbated by light waggons in the centre and heavy waggons at the back. If a speed limit decrease or adverse signal is exacerbating the issue, requiring braking, perhaps it should be moved to come into effect before the curve. I wonder how long it will take them to learn. Is there any accident investigation report for these ? Wondering how long the delay is before the last waggon's braking effort matches that of the first ? Are there any rules for consist layout to avoid this ?
It’s handled by computer between all the engines but the problem is with the engineer who plans where the cars (empty and full) and the various locomotives are to be placed. Most of those positions are held by unqual folks who were placed ahead of the experienced folks due to federal minority regulations. You’ll see more of this throughout the various fields of transportation, nothing new just requires getting used too.
it is a very interesting video to watch. I would like to know the cause of the derail, however, if one only looks at this video, if the track is not at fault then I would think that, given train lengths in the US, the train braked too late and although the front of the train may have been at or near the speed restriction on the curve the rear part of the train will not have the same brake force being applied due to lag in the pipe pressure getting to the rear of the train, so basically the rear of the trains weight piles up into the slower front = derail.?
Yes the cars that derailed were empty and in between full cars and weight was not distributed evenly towards the middle and that almost never works on these types of curves. Called a stringline derailment, there was another one caught on film at this same track and 2 at Altoona pa that this channel has that is the same exact issue
So what caused the derailment? Watching the video I didn't see anything obvious to my untrained (no pun intended) eyes. It's not like he took the curve to fast the train was hardly moving and those cars appear empty. Was it some kind of mechanical failure? Looks like a few of those cars lost their wheels. Hun. Strange.
Wow what a derailment! Good thing the rail workers were out there to help fix up everything! By the way Virtual Railfan, do you happen to have any plans to get some railcams up here in Michigan? We really only have one live broadcast but it requires a paid membership.
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OMG!!! What VERY skilled railroad workers to be out there in the cold and rain after midnight working on getting those derailed cars back on the tracks while all of us are nice and warm in our beds sound asleep. I salute ALL of you for another job well done!
Yes indeed they are very skilled and fast no matter what time it is they are ready to go when needed evey sec that derailment sits there that food , medicine , products like tvs and shoes and more is not getting to store shelves and economy is on the balance every sec that track is closed off my hat off to them too!!
@@tylorevans Everything you said here is very true and thanks for sharing! This job would be tough enough in dry and sunny weather but I can only imagine how much more difficult it was in the conditions they were in that night. Thank God there was no blizzard to make the job even more nightmarish for them. And they would just tell us "It's all in a day's work." Again, I salute these workers for a job well done so quickly.
@@DougCeleste other idiot with the G word what's with the G word with guys we don't talk like that that's a girl thing man you people are unbelievable the window I don't want to join this stuff
God bless you guys
I wanna mention this later on today The one that did the video job well done The one that did the video job well done
Derailment Starts at 9:40
Isn't this the 3rd derailment there within 2 years, 2 on the same curve and one on the bridge?
@@norfolksouthernrailfan2006 yep, and the 2nd one of 2022
Well these things happen whether you expect it or not.
Thank you
Hey thank you so much for the timestamp your a rockstar!
Well done to all involved in clearing the line. If that had happened here in the UK, the line would remain blocked for at least a month. I liked watching the two Side-lifters at work with (I presume) the Counter-weights extending from the back when required. Thanks also to VR for providing yet another window on the wonderful world of American Railroads.
It would be a month putting the cones out tbh.
It takes us in the UK two years to change a few escalators.
Even so, I am not sneering at UK rescue crews, more the systems under which they have to operate. I just hate to see any Train in distress (It is as bad as seeing an abandoned Railroad) At least there was no loss of life or serious injury here.
@@gp3829 You did not sneer. You told the truth. If they take offense at you pointing it out then that is their problem. Dont be quiet because of that. Speak up.
Midwest railroads started using Hulcher Cats beginning in the 80s, due to their increased mobility at derailment sites. Even so, big derailments are bulldozed aside so prefabricated track panels and ballast can be placed to restore service ASAP, and cleanup can continue.
That’s some pretty impressive work there getting those derailed cars back on the rails. And in the dark and the cold and the wet. Well done!
Never ceases to astound me
@@lindaterrell5535 oh well these things happen.
2 1/2 hours from the time of derailment until the sidebooms arrives, and an hour later they were lifting cars. That is pretty impressive!
They did a great job! It was a long, wet night, but they got everything back together.
That’s why they get the big bucks.
Very impressed with speed and ingenuity to get that line cleared. First time I saw those side lifters in action! Thank you for sharing it.
I LOVE TRAINS !......I have always been nuts over them. Videos about trains, showing how they operate, how they are serviced and repaired,etc., are very interesting,too. Today, I learned something that I NEVER knew before. I always just figured that when a train is derailed, they bring in a big ( huge??) crane to lift it to install a new truck under it or just to put it back on track........YOUR VIDEO showed me it is done with TWO smaller cranes, one on each side. It may not mean much to others,but it means a lot to me. I learned one new thing today ( A very important idea : ALWAYS LEARN ONE NEW THING EVERY DAY). Thank you for this video, you taught one older guy one new thing..........Hooray for trains !
It's amazing how this channel slows down and zeroes in and focuses on the EXACTLY things You want to review and see closely!
I wonder what 2 of those items were!?
That was done with digital editing after-the-fact
Huh?
I think it’s great you “ highlife” the old vehicle’s from the past. They live in our memories of wonderful times. Thank you. Merry Christmas to you all and good tidings!
Thanks!
Thank You very much Paul!
Wow! I'm so glad there were no injuries or fatalities. Those cranes remind me of the rotator tow trucks that are used to right jackknifed/overturned eighteen wheelers on the highway. Much respect goes to the crew that worked this derailment.
This is fascinating to watch. I always wondered how they lifted and moved the cars around. Wow! Thanks for this clip. This is truly educational.
Love the ending with the sunset at Roanoke. Great job guys 👍👍.
Made me very homesick for my hometown!
And, It is REALLY IMPRESSIVE that we got to see the catastrophe happen AND see them pick up the pieces afterward! You guys do the BEST content!
0:10 lovely CP plow train action
1:16 wow! one of those pink hoppers! I believe about a dozen of them exist and I've seen one myself in 2019
1:43 UP, NS, and CN triple-header
1:52 CSX F40s 1 and 2 trailing on a freight train with old boxcars
2:07 and here's the rest of the OCS. eight cars on the rear of the same freight train the F40s were on
3:10 CSX 1776 and Do Not Hump automated inspection boxcar
3:58 a wrapped Loram 2-piece grinder. Probably for a subway system
6:45 two Keystone services passing each other. One with an ACS64 on each end
7:27 BNSF B40-8Ws at SFJ
8:32 NS, CP, and UP triple-header
9:10 CSX towing the Capitol Limited past the WMSR
9:42 the derailment at Santa Fe Junction. This is the 2nd derailment on this track in one year. All the footage between here and the next timestamp is cleanup of this derailment
25:25 what a fast train here.
26:28 two C44-9Ws sold to GECX, each with different patch jobs
27:07 12-unit lash-up with two mid-train DPUs. A lot of dash 9s
thanks~
Also: 26:57 a NS SD70AC painted in "Penn Central" colors leading a "regular" NS AC44C. I'm just amused because I thought the divvying up of Conrail meant that CSX got most of the old NYC routes, while NS got PRR. I remember seeing Conrail post-purchase locomotives in NS colors painted with "PRR" markings, but not "Penn Central" ones.
Santa Fe Junction...AGAIN? This one wasn't *quite* as spectacular/scary as the centerbeam-car "crunch-time" derailment from last time, but one has to wonder about the frequency of mishaps on that stretch of track. (Once again, props to the cleanup crew...they clearly know their stuff.)
lets also not forget the derailment they had up on the elevated track too
"they clearly know their stuff" - Probably from all the practise they get! 😏
Is there a check rail on this stretch of track? Lubricator? Guard rails?
Same exact spot where those centerbeams went off the rails a few months ago. I would guess too much pushing force for the curve, since in both cases, the cars went to the outer part of the curve.
@@htomc42 check rail on the inside then? Might keep the inner flange from the inner wheel set from coming over too much therefore might stop the outer wheel set from popping off? Just a thought.
Good thing Hobo 👞 shoe string wasn't on those grainers 😮😮😮
Which is an excellent reason unauthorized personnel should not be on board active rail operations!!!
In the shape he is in after his operations he needs to stop but
that's what he does like it or not and he's a grown man doing
what he wants and won't stop no matter what.
@@rogertemple7193 Ah but the issue is he promotes the activity on public media encouraging others, many who have no proper ability, knowledge, whatever, who often come to grief following an example of not only unwise but also illegal behavior.
As I said he does what he does and if you don't like it go tell him yourself
?????????? 🤨
@@kennethhanks6712 Nobody except railroad personnel should be riding on freight on trains. Train hopping is a disgusting practice on several layers.
Thanks for LEF&C shout out--walked all 15 miles from Clarion to Summerville back in '79/'80
I live near Roanoke, so that ending was a treat!
Thanks for the derailment video, especially the cleanup. I learned a lot! "Could be worse. Could be raining."
And the train full of engines was fascinating! They must have some steep mountains out there! LOL! 🤣😂🚊
Cool
Wow this is honestly the 3rd incident ive seen on VRF on that cam. First one I saw was the train derailment on the elevated track...then the one where the car that was on the same track as the one derailment you featured in this grab bag in this video that almost ripped the elevated bridge...and now this one....sheesh...this junction...you never know when or where in this area the next incident may happen next...nice catch VRF.
Kudos to the crews who keep this area running despite any derailments or accidents that happen and even in this weather too
Also goes to show if you're railfanning down there, stay a good distance away, you never know
Not to mention the aluminum coal car that went by dragging it's wheel set underneath it, as it went past the camera on the bridge. It later caused about a 4 car derailment (off camera) just before it got off the bridge. The emergency brake application was captured as it tore the airlines apart when the rest derailed off camera.
Thanks virtual railfan airing and sharing the outstanding video with magnificent locomotives.Endeavors are preponderating.Bliss
Fascinating to see the equipment, skill of the men and work involved in clearing that derailmnent! Worked all night in the rain. Looked like they were also making measuments to see what is wrong with the track in that spot.
EPIC video! Watching those brilliantly engineered task-specific machines in action was awesome.
Very scary when these derailments occur, I wonder what caused it. I was very fascinated to see how those crews handled getting it cleaned up and cars back on the rails. Incredible coverage by VR!
Too much weight on the back pushing into the front as the train is trying to slow down. Same as last derailment, the trains are just getting too long, making these derailments easier to do.
I like watching amazingly long trains as much as the next guy, but there comes a point where the management has to say, "are we getting too long?"
@@BRIANumber7 Is it a DPU pushing to hard
@@thepubliceyewhat’s a DPU?
@@DownsouthMan Distributed power unit, basically any locomotive(s) in the back helping push, or even in the middle of the train
@@DownsouthMan Distributed Power Unit.
9:45 to 11:21 including the slow-motion is completely IMPRESSIVE!!! Definitely a rare catch.
This is so cool. I love watching your videos. I share them on my social media! This one is extra cool. Thanks
Ever had a 4 train catch?
I've seen 3 a few times in Fullerton CA.
How many times are trains gonna derail at that junction??
They seriously need to reconstruct everything!
On a side note, I wonder what was causing such huge sparks that almost looks like fire.
Abnother derailment same area a few months back; centerbeam flats if I remember correctly. Nice job here, clearing the mess up.
Excellent compilation ! . . and I like that pickin' accompanying the closing segment : >)
We had a couple of switches near corners in the middle of our freight yard. For decades that area was called The Money Pit. Must have had 10 plus derailments there. Finally an angry boss ordered them gone. And they were never missed. Good to see the safety practices in place for the wrecking crew and the supervisors keeping an eye on all the moves. Rail workers earn every dollar. Nothing easy about that job. Those side lift cranes are sure handy. We never had those. All lifting was done with a HI-Rail 100 ton crane with big outriggers.
Great video even though the derailment wasn't. Watching these guys hustle in the rain to get those cars upright etc! Those guys definitely deserve what they get paid and then some in my book! I watched this several times to try and figure out what caused the derailment but still clueless at some point! Almost makes me wonder if the train had empty cars at the head end. Cheers from Delmar, Delaware.
It looks like the grain car that ended up on it's side sheared the coupler off. I think that as it sheared the bad geometry on the curve pulled the ahead car out of alignment and everything went to sh!t after that. This all happened because the cars were empty. If they were loaded only the coupler would failed an the consist would have separated. OTOH, being empty made foe a rather painless cleanup.
@@alexandermckay8594 thanks for sharing this information on this! Cheers from Delmar, Delaware
Those covered hoppers were empty and not far behind the locos. There is a significant downgrade this train came down and the cars behind these MTs had to have been loaded and pushed the lighter cars over to the outside of the curve. If the units had been pulling hard, these cars probably would have stringlined or come off to the inside of the curve. I do not know, but if there was a DPU on the tail of that train, it could have pushed too much causing the same effect.
2:59 mid 1960's GMC stepside. Makes a nice sound to hear when you ride around in one.
The old small blocks and straight 6's do have a nice sound.
@@jasongreene303 the old V-6’s also
I like that Mary Kay has a pink rail car and not just pink Cadillacs.
You guys should consider putting cameras in Connecticut like Essex and Amtrak areas
Great coverage.on derail..
Thank You...
That's their job.
Those tarp covered loads on the long flatcars in La Plata look like Space 1999 space ships LOL The derailment is awful and amazing all at the same time. I just couldnt look away!
I always wondered how those derailments got back on track. I need a couple of those Train Car Hoist Tractors for my model Trains. Thanks for the video.
What a Place and Time to be in the right spot for this, Great response from Rail Worker's in I believe hostile weather to get this Right Of Way clear for Traffic Again, Awesome Job by them and Fantastic Video, Well Taken and Experience tells in The manner in which you handed this Video, Fantastic.
John in Australia
Great video and I loved your slow motion shots. Give a lot of credit to those railroad workers.
That car marked RISX almost announce a risky job coming up !!! These guys are awesome !
Interesting, it seems the cranes have counter weights they move out/in as needed. Otherwise, a train wreck in slow motion. Scary.
Great video, thanks! I let some other railfanners know, they’ll be checking it out too!
🙁-"uhhh, okay????."
once again I am not surprised it's at SFJ
edit: can we get a derailment compilation of 2022? mainly a derailment compilation of SFJ. I know one of the derailments this year was at fort worth (which, RIP tower 55)
Yes I too vote for a derailment compilation!
Don't forget collegedale Tennessee on the 20th of December
How do you manage to be so organized to get all that gear onto site and get those trucks sorted out so quick? Incredible work, and I enjoyed the rest of the video as well! Yes, they could certainly teach our workers how to do it, but then look at all the surrounding land they had to work on.
Being that the Santa Fe Jct. has become "a hot spot" for derailments lately, and the side-rigged dozers were driven onto the derailment site so fast (they arrived just 2 hours 40 minutes after the train came to an Emergency Stop) - the equipment must have been staged close by.
There was a derail near me 2 weeks ago, and Norfolk Southern had the track open the next day. It truly is amazing. The cars took a couple more days, but still 10 cars and two engines in a day.
Amazing how fast those guys work. Cool having the time stamp. They earn their pay.
Ashland Va is so beautiful!
That cleanup crew was already packed and ready to go it appears. I used to ride c&o from Va to Bozeman Mt when i was younger. So much fun!
Wow! That was some impressively fast cleanup! Props to all those people.
I've watched a lot of virtual Railfan videos, but that was one of the better compilations. Well done.
Wow, a lot of work making this video. Thanks!
Anyone got any idea what plastic covered apparently new manufactured pieces of equipment were on one of the earlier trains which appeared to come as sets. Larger piece covered in white and the smaller piece wrapped in blue plastic. Maybe someone watching this recognizes these items as being manufactured near them and would have an idea. Just curious. It’s nice to see new heavy manufacturing being put out in these trying times. Great for our economy and country. Nothing like the good ole USA 🇺🇸
Those were of a classified proprietary nature restricting view.
I have been watching train since I was eight years old here in 1958 in Hamilton Ohio. And the other day I saw a CSX engine that had a number 11 on the cab. That’s the lowest number engine I’ve ever seen come through here in all my years and I am 72 now. That was a very interesting derailment thank you for the post and love watching your drains.
Hey what were the two big white wrapped up things on that one Train
Really goes to show these railroad workers deserve every penny they make and then some.
I seem to notice that derailments are a rather frequent occurrence at the Santa-fe jct recently.
Wasn't it the same spot a while back?
@@melissaroscher1080 Yep.
There also was one on top of the bridge not too long ago.
It be that way sometimes even on railroad tracks.
How come no one’s been held responsible? Some sort of minority rule?
What is going at that curve at Santa Fe Jct?? A lot of derailments there.
Another great catch by VR ! To me it looks like a compression issue at SF Jctn...the cars are being pushed from behind and are lifted off the rails. Basically the opposite of a stringline . Maybe the DPU lost comms and didn't brake quick enough ? or a trainline air issue to the rear of the train? I guess we;ll never know but at least no one was hurt.
Gregg.
Hummmm.
Won't know for sure until the NTSB report comes out, but I'm sure you are pretty spot on. Too much weight pushing from the rear as the front is trying to either keep a steady speed, or slow down too fast.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that sharp curve is just after a slight grade as it makes it's way down to the river.
Don’t they have computers to regulate the speed and power between all locomotives in the line to prevent this type accident?
@@natural-born_pilot I'm not an engineer, but you control the DPU's (remote units) from the lead engine , and can choose to mimic the lead unit , or control the remote power separately. This is handy for mountain areas as you don't want the rear pushing hard as the front of the train goes down hill. But who knows what happened, maybe a comms loss ??
Gregg 🙂
That pink covered hopper usually sits near a flood loader a bit south of Rochelle on a siding.
I’ve seen it many times from I-39!
The silent film comedy speed makes me want to laugh, but then when I watch what they’re actually doing to right the derailed cars I’m pretty impressed.
I'm originally from Waterloo Iowa and a retired trucker. I use to pick up at Monsanto there. Always wonder what would happen if a chemical tanker overturned in town.
I saw this on the camera! It was surprising!!! Nice video
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Awesome work! I’m going to search how they did this back in the day before all the fancy equipment.
What a mean curve :D lol. That poor bridge support. Always gets quite a beating. - But still standing nonetheless! Quality bridge.
Great video, well filmed.👍🎥👍👍👍😊
Great compilation! Do the railroad owners ever publish an after action report, or a cause of error report, or a reason for derailment report? Is the NTSB involved in such accidents?
I think reading a report on what happened and why and what changes will be implemented from what was learned to reduce the chances of a derailment happening again in Santa Fe or anywhere on the line would be fascinating and vital to improving rail reliability.
NTSB and FRA does get involved (and potentially epa). There was a derailment near me on December 21st, and both got involved.
looks like over speeding in the curve. they just fall over like a top heavy load
Liked how you highlighted the "pinky" 😆
How many derailments have they had this year at Santa Fe Junction? Is there something about the tracks there that help to break knuckles?
Let's see, the one with the two Union Pacific engines and autorack cars on the bridge was in 2020, so we had three since the start of 2022.
Two under the bridge, and one on top (a coal car missing a set of wheels that eventually derailed off camera).
I hope the crew is okay after the train derailed
They are fine, no injuries. I know, I have relation that was on the train.
@@jasons1506
Did it have a DP that was pushing?
@@Tr2u1ck I am not familiar with that term, as I am nor a railroader. However, the setup was 2 lead, 2 middle, 1 rear engine. The derailment was in the rear section behind the 2 middle engine. weight hauling was around 27,000 tons.
@@jasons1506 Yup, so two sets of Distributed Power Units (DPUs) on that train. One set of two in the middle, and one in the rear.
DPUs refer to the remote controlled locomotives in the middle or rear of the train. These locomotives are unmanned and controlled by the engineer/operator in the lead locomotive.
When they used to have people in those locomotives before remote controlled engines were a thing, they used to be called "manned helpers" or "helper units." I believe Norfolk Southern still does that over Horseshoe Curve.
The reason you clicked on this video starts at 10:02
Absolutely amazing! Anyone know the reason for the derailment?
They were really lucky none of those bridge supports were not hit and taken out, they looked pretty flimsy, wouldn't take much. Anyone know what that was on those cars at 3:44?
My granddad was a track gang forman for Santa Fe outa Cleburne Texas, started after WW1 till the early 60s. My mom said when the phone would ring one long ring that would mean trouble on the line somewhere and off he'd go. Of course it was almost always in the middle of the night.
Wow, things down at the Junction have really gone off the rails lately, eh?
I just saw KCSM 4500 near Robstown, TX on 12/09/22.
Interesting and somewhat relaxing. Thank you
9:45 Aww! They look so cute when they're sleeping!
Lucky that it was only a few cars that got involved and I hope it didn't tear up the tracks too much
Are those grain cars made tough enough to fall over and be pushed around, and just be put back on the tracks and stay in use?
what's with these derailments at Santa Fe Junction?? Didn't this just happen??
- I watched that derailing and the first thing that came to mind was in those towns you showed where the train was going through a down town small business Main Street with about 25 to 30 feet of clearance on each side and the train appeared to be going faster than this derailment, see 01:54 , also 05:35 played 1/2 speed for real speed view. I wouldn’t want to be in getting a haircut when a bunch of 65 ton hopper cars or tanker cars, etc, started scissoring and flipping over only 25 to 30 feet away!
Massive respect for the crew working the derailment - and in that weather! Bravo!
Wasn't there another derailment on that curve earlier this year at that same spot? A car tried to climb the support, iirc. Tight curve, or does the channel pay them to derail on camera? 😉
Any idea how it happened yet?
Yeah there was
The three one in just the last three years (2020, 2021, and 2022). Let's see if one happens next year. At this rate...... 🤷🏻♀️
At this point, it needs its own playlist complilation. Just glad no one was injured!
Wasn’t the last big derailment here 2 years ago?? I remember the huge cranes for the upper deck work.
there was one on the same curve about 10 months ago too
That is the third time this year. Curve is rated at 10mph. Latest train was doing 5mph when it happened.
It was the second time this year.
When was the third???🤔🪝⛓
@@richardbause2453 Not sure of the date, but my relation is a local engineer that is on this curve all the time. He said it's the 3rd time this year. His friend was in the one from Feb 2nd.
It happens whether you are or aren't prepared.
@@jasons1506 then it might have taken place if VR camera 📷 🤔 wasn't working 🤔.
Information on the 3rd one is Sketchy as to when it happened.
Geeez, I have seen tons of graffiti on box cars, etc., but never on an engine like that at 03:18 ish ! Also, have they ever caught a derailing on camera at a speed exceeding…..say above 35mph ?
ALSO, nice video. I’m not really into trains but occasionally I like to watch them. My curiosity comes from +22 years as a Sheriff’s Deputy and watching a derailing myself of a freight train unable to stop in time for a washed out bridge over a flooded creek and handling a couple freak accidents with personnel at a grain loading station and an uncountable number of fires on cars and around the tracks.
The maker stops to point out a pink car, but when the greatest viewing car rolls by not a peep. The vista doom is the greatest car ever put on tracks.
Wow, that curve at Santa Fe Junction really is cursed. Big respect to the recovery crews, toiling away overnight, in the pouring rain, to clear up that mess.
This is the 2nd one at this curve within a year if I'm right.
@@norfolksouthernrailfan2006 And there was also a third above those on the approaches to the bridge abutment in the short term past.
It's just one of those unexpected things that happen without a reason.
It is always a paradise in Paradise, Pa when the CPL changes aspect @5:42
I think you mean 6:46. And that's not a CPL. That's a Position Light signal, but since it's colorized, it's more-properly called a Position-Color-Light signal. A Color-Position-Light signal is completely different, and is the baby of the B&O. It's not confusing at all. 🙂
Awesome response to derailment! Lots of good stuff here.
Another question? Does anyone think that those are newly purchased train engines on flat cars covered in plastic? I think they are but are covered and are possibly being shipped overseas????
I was wondering if they were also 🤔
I don't think I've ever seen anything of this sort before. Kudos to the work crew. Not pleasant looking weather either.
I love trains and I love pink! Can we talk about just how beautiful that area was in that first clip! BC?
Showing the LEFC some love!!!! ❤
Enjoy the video... Thank for sharing.... Safe travels..
I feel like the engineer of the Erie heritage unit watches virtual rail fan and knows where the camera is.
I watched this live it was crazy. So glad no one was hurt.
Good sidewinder team work @ 16:07!
Trenched. Had to much push when it was slowing down. My guess. Good job on the cleanup.
It looks as if these repeated derailments are due to the braking being too heavy whilst cornering, exacerbated by light waggons in the centre and heavy waggons at the back. If a speed limit decrease or adverse signal is exacerbating the issue, requiring braking, perhaps it should be moved to come into effect before the curve.
I wonder how long it will take them to learn.
Is there any accident investigation report for these ?
Wondering how long the delay is before the last waggon's braking effort matches that of the first ?
Are there any rules for consist layout to avoid this ?
It’s handled by computer between all the engines but the problem is with the engineer who plans where the cars (empty and full) and the various locomotives are to be placed. Most of those positions are held by unqual folks who were placed ahead of the experienced folks due to federal minority regulations. You’ll see more of this throughout the various fields of transportation, nothing new just requires getting used too.
it is a very interesting video to watch. I would like to know the cause of the derail, however, if one only looks at this video, if the track is not at fault then I would think that, given train lengths in the US, the train braked too late and although the front of the train may have been at or near the speed restriction on the curve the rear part of the train will not have the same brake force being applied due to lag in the pipe pressure getting to the rear of the train, so basically the rear of the trains weight piles up into the slower front = derail.?
Yes the cars that derailed were empty and in between full cars and weight was not distributed evenly towards the middle and that almost never works on these types of curves. Called a stringline derailment, there was another one caught on film at this same track and 2 at Altoona pa that this channel has that is the same exact issue
@@nathanjplatt thanks, i was a professional engineer in the UK
Why not put all empty cars at the rear?
So what caused the derailment? Watching the video I didn't see anything obvious to my untrained (no pun intended) eyes. It's not like he took the curve to fast the train was hardly moving and those cars appear empty. Was it some kind of mechanical failure? Looks like a few of those cars lost their wheels. Hun. Strange.
Wow what a derailment! Good thing the rail workers were out there to help fix up everything! By the way Virtual Railfan, do you happen to have any plans to get some railcams up here in Michigan? We really only have one live broadcast but it requires a paid membership.