this is everything I ever wanted for horn. the deliberate notes, the reward of mastery, the variety in more than song and stats. Thank you so much for this. I'll craft a horn out of every damn monster in this game.
@@KPlaysHere The status, element and gog knows what else types of stuff there is. I always felt that the equipment we get from monsters double as trophies as well. I really relate when you said you like elemental because its fun to pick which weapon counters which monster, leading to natural variety of usage. New goal for wilds, obtaining EVERY. SINGLE. HORN.
@@GoldenXShark22 exactly! HH really benefits from that. Like in Sunbreak, instead of just seeing the biggest stat stick with Attack Up we got to regularly use a bunch of different designs and song lists. Plus, element playstyle=more required sets and weapons=more farming for gear=more playing MH lol
@@icymoe1024 I was most excited about the status/element songs, but slicing was just ridiculously curve-balled in there😂😂 gonna make for some hilarious moments I'm sure. Watch out cutting weapons, the Doots are coming to take your job!
@@Swordphobic don't know yet since they hid the full list of melodies. We'll have to wait till either the full game or at least the downloadable demo (where they'll either be included or people will possibly datamine them out)
I like the idea of bubbles having special effects. Because THAT means that there’s a potential for a healing effect. Meaning that that HH song healer builds getting a return from Rise/Sunbreak.
Imagine a healing Bubble with Sonic Barrier (if that song comes back), Heal L, and Offset Melody.... you'd be just as tanky as some weapons with actual shields, if not more so lol
@@olivier5251 of course! There's too much going for HH for it to be reduced to a handful of buffs, and realistically speaking there's too much going for a lot of other weapons for it to be practical for them to waste time trying
I'm glad you got to play and share this with us. Gu and World were my fave games to play HH and now it seems like Wilds is going to potentially be my fave Monhun game.
Crazy useful info man, this is exactly what the horn community needed. I'm holding out hope for the demo showing the full song list lol. Maybe it needs to be a later build of the game than what you played at the convention
I could see it, there definitely has to be some improvements going into the demo between the limited access event build and what they'll release into the public to fully show off to everyone
I'm still worried about the echo bubbles, but everything else sounds fantastic. Good to know I'll finally be able to cut tails while my hammer main friend focus on the head. Anyways, that was a fantastic video! You've managed to clearly explain all that new info with very limited footage. Thanks for the effort
@@daspipio of course! HH needs the love if you ask me, if it's not gonna be out there I don't mind doing it lol. The Bubbles definitely need to be labbed out so we can figure out how much of a % of your max damage potential they'll be, how to maximize your use, etc. Definitely won't be a 'nice, but not mandatory' thing like Bead of Resonance in Rise
The part about Echo Wave having more to it than just doing Blunt is GREAT. For *years* we have only basically focused on raw damage with HH, so having something to let it lean into elemental etc. more is great
Exactly! More reasons to use more Horns means you'll also see more different song lists being used. Having a raw focused meta reduces your endgame options unless you had a bunch of competitive ones, or no Jho/Fatalis situation where 1 just blows EVERYTHING else out of the water
Maaan, sounds like an awesome experience. Your assessments and descriptions are so well done, even without direct footage from the event, you've allowed the rest of the HH community to experience the event too. Rabid for the beta now. Hope it's soon.
I can rest easy now! Thank you. I'm excited to know encore got reworked! Usually Find myself shouting "Just play the dang song already" right after I get knocked out of my encore, after a long flashy animation lol Way better for monster that reset quickly. AT Valk was a pain.
Doot. I'm so excited for Wilds it's unreal, one of the first things I thought when I saw "Echo Wave (Blunt)" was "no way, different types of Echo waves? maybe slicing lol" and I'm so hyped after seeing the technical style of World's horn back but injected with Rise's energy, it looks so smooth and flexible to play and I love the Echo Bubbles
i always had an eye on you but after this video and seeing your love for my favourite weapon i had to sub! :) can't wait to see more great content once the game launches
DOOT! Man I've been looking for coverage like this since the weapon trailer dropped. You've always had it on lock! I didn't know I could be more excited for this game than I already was!
Same here! It was great to get to do this deep dive, especially since nobody else seemed to have really been interested in doing it. A lot of the focus is on a little of the weapons this time around when it comes to there being people really looking for info to share
Great work! Glad you had an awesome time. I didn't yet know about those new Echo Waves melodies, directional Performance Beat, mounted HH mechanics... I'm surprised that they're sticking with an Attack boost on Self-Improvement. That originally stems from a band-aid buff to HH damage in the Deviljho patch soon after MHW released. You might think it hardly matters since we have that melody up constantly anyway, but it skews HH toward Raw over Element, unless they've updated it to buff Elemental Attack as well.
Some stuff just straight up wasn't going to be revealed until the public demo release unless someone went in to try to find it. Kinda wish there were other people out there doing the same for other weapons outside of just the few we've seen covered up and down this time around... And yeah, it was interesting to see the Deviljho patch Self Improvement back in but also a bit odd, because like you said it was supposed to be more of a balancing fix than a new feature. I'm curious to see how things are being handled if that's supposed to just be a default thing now...like, maybe it's a bigger personal buff if your HH doesn't have Attack Up to share? That'd be cool
I have a potentially controversial opinion, I think the HH damage buff being kept is good, because it always felt like something to softly encourage hunters to stop corner hornering. Since it was so specifically just an attack buff for yourself (and one of the few forms of damage buff that accounted for your total Raw rather than base) I felt it pushed the "hey, you have extra damage when buffed, USE IT"
@@pirateFinn the catch is that in theory, that's a perfect thought. In practice though, the Self Improvement buff was more like "we took 15% damage from your moveset, but here's a brand new 15% personal damage boost". Pretty much puts you back at ground zero, except now you gotta maintain your baseline
Aside from needing shirts, I also can't wait for this game! I haven't really gotten too far into any MH game because I don't have a regular group, but I've always mained HH and I can't wait to actually learn to doot!
Groups should be easier to find than ever with crossplay tripling the sources of potential teammates for everyone! I'm excited for that, I hated planning to hunt with someone only to find out that they didn't play on the same console
great video! i always appreciate hunting horn mains explaining stuff about the weaon because i definitely wouldn't understand half of the stuff going on on my own haha. i tried the demo at gamescom and first i was sad that the spin-to-win move from world was gone but honestly wilds hunting horn feels so smooth and good (from a casual gamer perspective) i couldn't care less that they got rid of it. can't wait for wilds doot doot!
Yeah, doing vids like this kinda makes me take into account that HH has a LOT going on. Not too surprising that it's not super well understood. All I'll say is that people are missing out on a ton of fun lol
Hunting Horn main , rise from the ashes ! This day is to be remembered... Even if we lost Echo Spin to win , we won on all other aspect. We are blessed , and to this day we will stivres to Bard-up those filthy monsters !
I'm new to this channel and as a fellow dooter i cannot be more honored nor excited for this version of hunting horn, while im still a rookie dooter I'm happy that its not too different from world as world hunting horn is what im most used to, so much to the point where I've been spoiled! Rahhh!! (no surprise 😭) I don't usually comment, but your infectious personality as a whole has pushed me out of the ordinary. Deviating from the norm is fun too!! Much love from a new subscriber
15:25 this info is what I'm expecting to find in the gunlance section for the new attribute added to the weapon stat. more weapon mains need to be checking this stuff in the demo so props for looking
Exactly! There's gotta be info like this buried all OVER the demo for a lot of weapons that we just haven't had someone go in with the intention of finding yet
HH is looking to be pretty damn spicy in Wilds, can't wait to get my hands on it. Looks like it'll have a pretty high skill ceiling and I hope that's true as I enjoy learning complex mechanics and weapons in games.
Same here! I saw the vision lol, just didn't quite have the time to work on perfecting it. When you line up everything perfectly? Yup, it'll be spicy alright 🔥
Status echo songs are huge. Element thrived in IB and SB while status got left in the dust, so it's nice to hear that status actually has a fighting chance this time. Between that and special performances, we might have a good variety of horns even among attack up options
It's all about how well it's applied. There was a chance for status to be incredibly good in SB but it didn't apply on any sound attacks...and sound attacks were THE source of damage, so yeah, left in the dust. A song with stacking mechanics on the encore brings it in the complete opposite direction, even more so if the waves your Recitals and Bubbles do. HH has become a deceptively fast hitting weapon with a bit of setup, so I'm really hoping they lean into that and make it element/status focused. That's another thing that'd boost weapon variety on top of all the new different attacks/abilities
I couldn't play the demo, but I already can see how fun this is going to be! I thought that they couldn't make HH strong as a solo weapon without keeping Rise's lack of songs, but I stand corrected! The pocket horn thing never worried me. It always was gonna be good itself and you're expected to have 2 weapons anyways. I have never been the guy to just main 1
Funny thing was that Rise's changes didn't really boost its damage potential in relation to other weapons all that much. These changes actually might. Fingers crossed!
Slicing damage?! I was going to main HH and my second weapon was going to be Sw axe to cut the tails, but it looks like I can go with two horns! I enjoyed rise and world horn. I’m so glad they combined them and made the horn even more fun. Thank you so much for the information I’m going to watch is several times! Cheers.
As someone who only started playing like a month ago when Iceborne was on sale... yeah it sounds like I'm not gonna miss the echo note lmao. All of this sounds sick.
I completely agree that its kind of nice theyre switching away from the echo spam.. Mind you, i LOVE spamming spin to win. But the one thing I really liked from my short time playing the demo, was that I felt that between echo bubbles and performance/encore damage, I was actively encouraged to be using the songs to damage the monsters and trying to have songs queued up. Honestly i think thats good for gameplay
I liked it too; I just wish that in the best case scenario with no variables it wasn't so good you'd just spam it+Hilt Stab. It took away from how much you'd use the other combat options. This time, like you said the best damage loop pretty much forces you to interact with HH's utility gimmicks. Songs=buffs, and songs=damage!
So what are we thinking on the Echo Waves? You mentioned Blunt, Slicing, Element, and Status, so maybe... Red- Blunt Blue- Sever (associated with wind) Orange- Elemental (was Dragon, and Yellow doesn't have it) Cyan- Status (Cyan+Orange has Abnormal Status Attack Increased) Yellow- Nothing, apparently Green- Maybe also nothing
@@Spyger9 the wording of the Hunter's Notes ("A melody effect that deals damage. Each HH has different effects. Some deal blunt or slicing damage, while others can inflict elemental damage or status ailments") and the fact that this HH only had 1 makes me assume that it's more weapon dependent than note dependent. Like, 'Echo Wave' is just a moveset addition now, that requires notes stocked to use, and the effects vary like phials/shells, etc.
@@KPlaysHereBut that would involve breaking the rules/consistency of note combinations. Certain note combos result in the same effect regardless of which horn they are on; it's actually impossible to break that rule with the way Monster Hunter World is coded. Though I suppose they completely tossed that rule in Rise. Personally I'm fine with any changes to the melody system that result in better balance and more flexibility. The addition of Special Melodies and Echo Waves only reinforces my desire for horn customization in the vein of bowgun attachments.
@@Spyger9 they've already shown a tweak that might be them accounting for that. AuL used to be white>red>red, but they changed it to white>red>white and gave that note combo to Echo Wave Blunt instead. I'd have to look through the existing song lists to be sure, but if you take away the specific colors to make it a default thing, Echo Wave could hypothetically just be a note 122 combo across the board and they'd just need to comb through and modify any existing note combos that have that sequence in them. On a side note, that'd make Flourish a good bit more common in combat--once you're buffed up, you could go full offense and just spam Echo Wave for Recital combos. Makes me hope even more that elemental/status HH is the way to go because that's more of a 'hit often, not hard' kind of move
@@KPlaysHere from what we have been shown just from the first two locales I’m super excited to see what other locales we have in store! Although now I don’t want to see anymore of them. I’ve seen enough and want to discover them 😬
Really happy to hear your optimism from your first hand experience, it does a lot to counter my natural reservations. On a side note youre a good looking dude! Good luck with your streaming if you decide to go forward with it.
I try lol, on all of it🤣 yeah, that whole weekend did nothing but build my hype to crazy levels and give me a bit of a streaming bug. Thanks for the well wishes! It'd definitely be a big jump from my usual content
doot okay thats amazing because it gives the potential for dual weapons similar to some dual blades. by having lets say fire element on its own and poison waves from the rathian bell. or heavy raw on slicing wave horn for smth like doshaguma
Yeah! It's pretty fitting for HH to have interesting utility options like that, because it deepens how technical it can get. If I'll even be choosing Horns right down to how 1 specific move works...
I just hope that at some point in the future they bring back directional encores, it's cool that you can do directional performance beats but those meaty directional encore hits are what made me fall in love with the weapon in the first place. If it had that it would literally be the perfect horn
Very sad to hear back encore is gone (if I understood right) cause even if it was a long animation, it was insanely meaty. But you showed several new things I wasn't aware of like the back jump into a counter. Very excited to play the demo! And yes, I'm definitely interested in some merch!
RIP Back Encore, we'll miss you 😭 the great damage potential on the new Encore will be greatly appreciated but sometimes you can't quite beat nostalgia
yeah... was definitely one of my favorite parts of world horn. All in all it looks interesting but I have mixed feelings about it. Just gonna have to wait and see.
@@Brass319 I'm sure it'll still feel amazing, especially playing around the bubbles. Just gotta see how different it really is overall when we finally get the demo!
Hey man. Just want to chime in as a long time HH player and say THANK YOU! Knowing all of this information has been great for my peace of mind. I was not a huge fan of the Rise horn 😅. Keep up the great work!
Yeah, after Rise's mixed reviews it's good to see that they went back to the drawing board to really build us a weapon we'll all enjoy. Was really hoping there'd be someone out there to get all this info for us, but it's not too bad getting to BE that person either😏
Glad to see the Hunting Horn mains being pleased with Wilds. Personally I'm an Insect Glaive main, and as an Arial Player, I'm sincerely hoping this is like last time where the demo didn't have Arial Glaive and it got added later.
yea, I think the backlash is enough even if it wasn't planned. but the weapon seems to have a lot of hidden details, the fact backwards vault gets i frames and we can animate cancel air attacks with charged moves already opens the door to more air attacks being optimal damage and ground is weaker option
I'm actually pretty interested to see how the whole IG thing develops when more players can access it/the full game releases and we can see all of what may or may not be there
Honestly I personally would be more upset about it but 1. I've been trying out and having fun with more weapons than ever in world (including horn) so I won't have any shortage of things to play if I don't end up liking glaive and 2. plunging thrust is insanely well designed because it lets you land while dealing some good damage and jumping right into the best part of your combo so if advancing thrust fills a similar role but slightly weaker in exchange for letting you change direction a second time in midair after say using your midair dodge to avoid an attack then I would be insanely happy. The only thing that would really turn me away from the weapon is if they brought back 4-way air dodges. Thank goodness it does not seem like they brought back 4-way air dodges
@@Brass319 makes perfect sense to me. There's definitely a sense of there being a bunch of new techniques and mechanics being added, but not really acknowledged because people are too focused on what was removed/changed
I've really come back to World two or three months ago after I mostly completed the game (a handful of Fatalis kills). While I enjoyed Horn for a lot of the game, once I reached end game, I sort of dropped the weapon. Spin to win is fine, but I found myself wishing it wasn't the highest DPS combo. Well, it seems my wish has been fulfilled! There seems to be so, so much fun stuff for Horn in general, I think the weapon has a very real chance of making me drop Lance as my main weapon. (Or hey I can probably just use both, we'll see what weapon synergies will be like. I feel like LBG could be a serious contender to be the "support secondary", especially when I already get all the juicy goodies from Horn when using it as a main.)
Spin2win is an amazing move, but that was its problem. It was TOO good, to the point where it overshadowed everything else. Playing songs as the main damage loop is definitely the way to go; no matter what other new things they add I'd really want that part to stay consistent. I'm hoping a lot more people see everything it can do and end up conflicted lonl. The more people looking at it to consider playing it more the better!
Never really thought pocket horn was a problem since pocket horn also would have theoretically applied to hunting horn as well, hunting horn players could bring a pocket horn with a different set of buffs from their main horn (or they may even switch which horn is their "main" depending on the monster)
The distinction I saw to it was the fact that you're not really 'using' the pocket (insert weapon here) for anything other than its gimmick. Like, for example, a tail cutting weapon wouldn't count for me because you have to actually fight with it to do what you're trying to do. Pocket Horn+actual Horn is kinda in a weird middle ground because while 1 would absolutely just be there for its gimmick you'd still be fully using a HH
i dont like sharing my "secret tech" but remember my words... if they wont change few things from the demo, HH will be actually very easy to abuse for at least 1 song, and 20% dmg boost is mega big in this game... especially if u play with full team.
The catch though is that you'd need to reactivate that 20% damage buff every 2-3 minutes if Horn Maestro and basic buff timers remain the same. For full time HH that's not all that big a deal, but any other way you'd be swapping so often it'd become a chore
@@KPlaysHere monsters run away and u will jump on your mount sooner or later. u are not forced to keep 100% uptime. even these small bursts of 3mins are very big chunk of dps if u are good at the game u will only have to refresh it twice anyway also some ppl might like different buff to keep on themselves with longer duration just to add in, protective polish is also a chore that u do every 1min with certain builds. if ppl can do that then they will also go for song that lasts 3mins but takes bit more time to "cast"
wow thanks for sharing your secret tech, i appreciate it a lot. never seen this idea online before or on click bait videos or complained about on reddit as a neta strat. 👍
@@petercottantail7850 i didnt share anything about my tech here. i know that HH buff swap was wide known. im just telling u guys that when the demo or game will be out and there will be no changes done then there is a chance that someone will do video about it and with that "secret information" HH swap for buff will make a lot more sense and will look A LOT less annoying to use but thx for your passive aggressive comment 👍
For sure. There is too many benefits to pocket horning that overshadow the cons. We already know that switching weapons is fast. Activating strong songs like Atk L or Stamina Res L will be huge for lasting so long that it could make your main weapon much easier to use. For example, skills like lvl 3 offensive guard only last *12 seconds* and procs only after a perfect guard for 15% atk boost yet it's a must skill for lance. If the monster doesn't attack cause it's drooling, running away, focusing on other hunters.. then this won't proc so often (not to mention is takes three lvl 3 deco slots to max rank, EXPENSIVE). Now with how easy it is to pocket horn, it won't taking up deco slots for other guard skills, songs lasts way longer than 12 seconds, attack boost L being 20%, can be activated without needing to be attacked first.. you can see where I'm getting at. It's clear to see that pocket horning can negate some weapon weaknesses by either taking the spot for armor skills or just straight up making them stronger then they were already.
Oh we eatin good bro. It fell off in RiseBreak and it almost lost its spot on my roster, but God DAMN ARE WE BACK!!! Specifically the echo wave thingies 15:35
So excited for status horn! I always loved the designs of the insect looking horn in rise - but the paralysis wasn’t very viable. I want a skill that give us buffs when the monster is poisoned, a skill to lengthen paralysis time, and a skill to increase damage even further than the normal when the monster falls asleep!
@@---jt5wg well we had Foray that gave more damage vs poisoned or paralyzed monsters in Sunbreak, but skills like that for other statuses would be cool too! I love status weapons; really wish there were more ways to build them up to be stronger. What I wanna know (aside from whether or not all sound waves deal status/element) is if you can get a status/element Echo Wave on a Horn that doesn't have those, or if it just boosts what's already there...like, can I have a double status HH between the weapon and the song? Or does the song just show up on status Horns and act as a move for dumping a large amount of burst status?
The reason I rarely use the hunting horn is simply cuz of my addiction for cutting off monster tails, time to finally enjoy the weapon to the full extent!
I did have an idea for being able to 'tune' your Horn to get different song lists, but now that we've potentially got no less than 2-3 other varying abilities besides that it's something I'd REALLY like to see
Really looking forward to The Horn, and (from what I interpret) it seems to be have some rythm mechanics which is pretty cool since it is a musical weapon. 💀 🎺 Doot
Thanks for all the insight into what to expect. I can't believe those PC spec requirements though. Really hope those change before release. The 4 man hunting horn party sounds too fun. Let's make it happen.
I really want a chance to test the damage differences out between timed and untimed attacks at my own pace. The amount of impact that'll have is gonna be important to know, but tbh I think that if you're not setting out for high level play you might be alright just knowing how to work with the bubbles at bare minimum
this is everything I ever wanted for horn. the deliberate notes, the reward of mastery, the variety in more than song and stats. Thank you so much for this. I'll craft a horn out of every damn monster in this game.
With all that variety? You might have to!
@@KPlaysHere The status, element and gog knows what else types of stuff there is. I always felt that the equipment we get from monsters double as trophies as well.
I really relate when you said you like elemental because its fun to pick which weapon counters which monster, leading to natural variety of usage.
New goal for wilds, obtaining EVERY. SINGLE. HORN.
@@GoldenXShark22 exactly! HH really benefits from that. Like in Sunbreak, instead of just seeing the biggest stat stick with Attack Up we got to regularly use a bunch of different designs and song lists. Plus, element playstyle=more required sets and weapons=more farming for gear=more playing MH lol
Say no less. We are 2 baby
Slice??? On a horn?!?!?! Finally.. a reason for us to sharpen! 😂🎉
@@icymoe1024 I was most excited about the status/element songs, but slicing was just ridiculously curve-balled in there😂😂 gonna make for some hilarious moments I'm sure. Watch out cutting weapons, the Doots are coming to take your job!
@@KPlaysHerecan't wait for my friends to weaken the tail to just doot it off
Sharpening fixes those notes that are a little flat ... lol.
@@KPlaysHere I'm sure the LS mains are happy; they weren't planning on hitting the tail anyways.
Didn't the hilt poke also do cutting damage? Granted getting a tail cut with that isn't likely to happen.
Double hunting horn looking like the best duo...
Seriously.
All Melodies Extended will be bonkers!
@@KPlaysHere Do we have melody extend?
@@Swordphobic don't know yet since they hid the full list of melodies. We'll have to wait till either the full game or at least the downloadable demo (where they'll either be included or people will possibly datamine them out)
@@KPlaysHere I'm keeping my eyes out for this Demo because this looks so poorly optimized that I suspect my Pc won't run the game.
A doot for the algorithm. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts!
Of course!
I like the idea of bubbles having special effects. Because THAT means that there’s a potential for a healing effect. Meaning that that HH song healer builds getting a return from Rise/Sunbreak.
Imagine a healing Bubble with Sonic Barrier (if that song comes back), Heal L, and Offset Melody.... you'd be just as tanky as some weapons with actual shields, if not more so lol
Doot. Man, this is gonna be so awesome. I've never been so excited for a game demo, but I need to play this before February
TAIL CUT HORN????? AHHHHHHHhH
and STATUS SONGS ?? Ohhhhhhh !!
Blast horn?????!
Face reveal!
Congrats on getting your hands on it and thanks for breaking it down!
You bet! It was super fun, and great to be able to find things to share with you guys!
Man, that fact that this is a face reveal didn't even click in my brain because his voice fits his face so perfectly.
@@gamecavalier3230 I would hope so😂😂
thanks for finding all this stuff! really looking forward to a potential public demo now
Psyched to have someone knowledgeable and passionate about Dooting that got to play the demo! Thanks for your dedication dude
Someone's gotta do(ot) it!!
Being the ultimate utility with the type echoes like slicing, my fears of the pocket horn issue has been allayed. Thank you for this
@@olivier5251 of course! There's too much going for HH for it to be reduced to a handful of buffs, and realistically speaking there's too much going for a lot of other weapons for it to be practical for them to waste time trying
I'm glad you got to play and share this with us. Gu and World were my fave games to play HH and now it seems like Wilds is going to potentially be my fave Monhun game.
Crazy useful info man, this is exactly what the horn community needed. I'm holding out hope for the demo showing the full song list lol. Maybe it needs to be a later build of the game than what you played at the convention
I'd for sure buy one of those shirts bro, also doot
I could see it, there definitely has to be some improvements going into the demo between the limited access event build and what they'll release into the public to fully show off to everyone
It's about that time K. Time to create a discord channel, Twitch stream and a merch store.
You have a community here. Time to build
(Imagine this is the image of the fan art of Scott giving Ryu the cleanest dap up)
uno hunter spotted!
I'm still worried about the echo bubbles, but everything else sounds fantastic. Good to know I'll finally be able to cut tails while my hammer main friend focus on the head. Anyways, that was a fantastic video! You've managed to clearly explain all that new info with very limited footage. Thanks for the effort
@@daspipio of course! HH needs the love if you ask me, if it's not gonna be out there I don't mind doing it lol. The Bubbles definitely need to be labbed out so we can figure out how much of a % of your max damage potential they'll be, how to maximize your use, etc. Definitely won't be a 'nice, but not mandatory' thing like Bead of Resonance in Rise
Doot! Thank you so much for getting us dooters this information!
Also, I want that shirt.
Of course! You might just have it soon lol
The part about Echo Wave having more to it than just doing Blunt is GREAT. For *years* we have only basically focused on raw damage with HH, so having something to let it lean into elemental etc. more is great
Exactly! More reasons to use more Horns means you'll also see more different song lists being used. Having a raw focused meta reduces your endgame options unless you had a bunch of competitive ones, or no Jho/Fatalis situation where 1 just blows EVERYTHING else out of the water
Maaan, sounds like an awesome experience. Your assessments and descriptions are so well done, even without direct footage from the event, you've allowed the rest of the HH community to experience the event too.
Rabid for the beta now. Hope it's soon.
Same here! I'm most excited for everyone else to get to experience it firsthand, even more so if they take my info in to be more prepared!
Doot. Thanks for the coverage man. Its always nice to see people passionate about the weapon I play :)
Glad to see you so excited with the new Horn, man! Your excitement is infectuous
You carry a pocket horn to buff your sword.
I carry a pocket horn to buff my hunting horn.
We are not the same.
@@Fixti0n who needs a sword when your songs can cut tails😂
@@KPlaysHere That C sharp is really helping.
Most of my Hunting Horn time has been in Rise cause they made it simpler but I'm looking forward to learning it in Wilds! Doot!
Picking up World will definitely be a good idea for practice if you ask me. Lol you've got like 4-5 months to get the basics down; plenty of time!
We aren't just back. We're better than ever! ALL FIVE OF US WILL CARRY
TUNE YOUR WEAPONS! WE PLAY IN FEBRUARY!!
9:00 YESSS THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THIS LMFAO EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR
Lol no problem! I felt like some people would be happy to hear that. The music is back!
Ayyy the hunting horn backstage pass. The VIP! That’s cool man!
I can rest easy now! Thank you. I'm excited to know encore got reworked! Usually Find myself shouting "Just play the dang song already" right after I get knocked out of my encore, after a long flashy animation lol Way better for monster that reset quickly. AT Valk was a pain.
Yeah we can ZOOM through songs now, so fast that the 3 song Recital is actually something that you can realistically use mid combat
Doot.
I'm so excited for Wilds it's unreal, one of the first things I thought when I saw "Echo Wave (Blunt)" was "no way, different types of Echo waves? maybe slicing lol" and I'm so hyped after seeing the technical style of World's horn back but injected with Rise's energy, it looks so smooth and flexible to play and I love the Echo Bubbles
Doot! Thx for the rundown. I’m looking forward to maining the Doot.
WHAT A GREAT SHIRT, also excellent breakdown! As a HH and gunlance main, I'm extremely excited for what's coming!
Same! Yo GL is eating GOOD too!
Excited to see a hunting horn channel, very excited to see what youll make with this game!
Planning on a lot!! HH needs the representation
Oh boy, that slice song. Cant wait for my brother to bring a horn and suddenly chop tails by singing.
Damn w Strat for chillin in the booth to get to play multiple times
Doot doola doot doo ... doot doo!
Great face reveal and great video, KPlays! Thanks for holding down the HH community (along with Uno)!
Gotta do(ot) it for the dooters!
i always had an eye on you but after this video and seeing your love for my favourite weapon i had to sub! :) can't wait to see more great content once the game launches
Thanks for the sub! If you like what's out now, I'm planning on a lot more😁
Saxophone Hunting Horn User: "I hope you like FREESTYLE JAZZ!"
appreciate the work you've put into these vids brother. us english speaking HH players are lucky to have you
Aww, thanks!☺️
DOOT! Man I've been looking for coverage like this since the weapon trailer dropped. You've always had it on lock! I didn't know I could be more excited for this game than I already was!
Same here! It was great to get to do this deep dive, especially since nobody else seemed to have really been interested in doing it. A lot of the focus is on a little of the weapons this time around when it comes to there being people really looking for info to share
I can't wait. Master Rank is going be immense
I can barely contain my excitement for the base game!
I like to doot doot while I boop boop the snute snute.
Great work! Glad you had an awesome time. I didn't yet know about those new Echo Waves melodies, directional Performance Beat, mounted HH mechanics...
I'm surprised that they're sticking with an Attack boost on Self-Improvement. That originally stems from a band-aid buff to HH damage in the Deviljho patch soon after MHW released. You might think it hardly matters since we have that melody up constantly anyway, but it skews HH toward Raw over Element, unless they've updated it to buff Elemental Attack as well.
Some stuff just straight up wasn't going to be revealed until the public demo release unless someone went in to try to find it. Kinda wish there were other people out there doing the same for other weapons outside of just the few we've seen covered up and down this time around...
And yeah, it was interesting to see the Deviljho patch Self Improvement back in but also a bit odd, because like you said it was supposed to be more of a balancing fix than a new feature. I'm curious to see how things are being handled if that's supposed to just be a default thing now...like, maybe it's a bigger personal buff if your HH doesn't have Attack Up to share? That'd be cool
I have a potentially controversial opinion, I think the HH damage buff being kept is good, because it always felt like something to softly encourage hunters to stop corner hornering. Since it was so specifically just an attack buff for yourself (and one of the few forms of damage buff that accounted for your total Raw rather than base) I felt it pushed the "hey, you have extra damage when buffed, USE IT"
@@pirateFinn Meh. That boost is pretty obscured. IMO the sonic shockwaves from performances already do that job WAY better than a hidden 15% buff.
@@pirateFinn the catch is that in theory, that's a perfect thought. In practice though, the Self Improvement buff was more like "we took 15% damage from your moveset, but here's a brand new 15% personal damage boost". Pretty much puts you back at ground zero, except now you gotta maintain your baseline
Heck yeah man I love your passion as a Doot DooT player myself Im stoked to hear from you.
Gotta have passion for the musical playstyle!
I'm so excited for this horn!!!!
Aside from needing shirts, I also can't wait for this game! I haven't really gotten too far into any MH game because I don't have a regular group, but I've always mained HH and I can't wait to actually learn to doot!
Groups should be easier to find than ever with crossplay tripling the sources of potential teammates for everyone! I'm excited for that, I hated planning to hunt with someone only to find out that they didn't play on the same console
great video! i always appreciate hunting horn mains explaining stuff about the weaon because i definitely wouldn't understand half of the stuff going on on my own haha. i tried the demo at gamescom and first i was sad that the spin-to-win move from world was gone but honestly wilds hunting horn feels so smooth and good (from a casual gamer perspective) i couldn't care less that they got rid of it. can't wait for wilds doot doot!
Yeah, doing vids like this kinda makes me take into account that HH has a LOT going on. Not too surprising that it's not super well understood. All I'll say is that people are missing out on a ton of fun lol
Doot 😊
Great video, so excited to play HH in wilds!
Hunting Horn main , rise from the ashes !
This day is to be remembered...
Even if we lost Echo Spin to win , we won on all other aspect.
We are blessed , and to this day we will stivres to Bard-up those filthy monsters !
I'm new to this channel and as a fellow dooter i cannot be more honored nor excited for this version of hunting horn, while im still a rookie dooter I'm happy that its not too different from world as world hunting horn is what im most used to, so much to the point where I've been spoiled! Rahhh!! (no surprise 😭) I don't usually comment, but your infectious personality as a whole has pushed me out of the ordinary. Deviating from the norm is fun too!! Much love from a new subscriber
Glad you're really enjoying the content and how I share it!! 😁😁 I'm just happy to be able to share both it and the excitement with everyone
15:25 this info is what I'm expecting to find in the gunlance section for the new attribute added to the weapon stat. more weapon mains need to be checking this stuff in the demo so props for looking
Exactly! There's gotta be info like this buried all OVER the demo for a lot of weapons that we just haven't had someone go in with the intention of finding yet
HH is looking to be pretty damn spicy in Wilds, can't wait to get my hands on it.
Looks like it'll have a pretty high skill ceiling and I hope that's true as I enjoy learning complex mechanics and weapons in games.
Same here! I saw the vision lol, just didn't quite have the time to work on perfecting it. When you line up everything perfectly? Yup, it'll be spicy alright 🔥
Status echo songs are huge. Element thrived in IB and SB while status got left in the dust, so it's nice to hear that status actually has a fighting chance this time. Between that and special performances, we might have a good variety of horns even among attack up options
It's all about how well it's applied. There was a chance for status to be incredibly good in SB but it didn't apply on any sound attacks...and sound attacks were THE source of damage, so yeah, left in the dust. A song with stacking mechanics on the encore brings it in the complete opposite direction, even more so if the waves your Recitals and Bubbles do. HH has become a deceptively fast hitting weapon with a bit of setup, so I'm really hoping they lean into that and make it element/status focused. That's another thing that'd boost weapon variety on top of all the new different attacks/abilities
DOOT SQUAD ASSEMBLE 🎷 🎶 💥
🎶doots the Avengers theme🎶
This is everything I wanted, thanks for the info.
Glad it was helpful!
I couldn't play the demo, but I already can see how fun this is going to be! I thought that they couldn't make HH strong as a solo weapon without keeping Rise's lack of songs, but I stand corrected!
The pocket horn thing never worried me. It always was gonna be good itself and you're expected to have 2 weapons anyways. I have never been the guy to just main 1
Funny thing was that Rise's changes didn't really boost its damage potential in relation to other weapons all that much. These changes actually might. Fingers crossed!
Slicing damage?! I was going to main HH and my second weapon was going to be Sw axe to cut the tails, but it looks like I can go with two horns! I enjoyed rise and world horn. I’m so glad they combined them and made the horn even more fun. Thank you so much for the information I’m going to watch is several times! Cheers.
Bow or Bowguns seem like a fun pairing with horn too.
Who needs a blade when you can just tune your Horn a bit sharp???
@@KPlaysHere Heck yeah! I would be interested in a shirt as well!
As someone who only started playing like a month ago when Iceborne was on sale... yeah it sounds like I'm not gonna miss the echo note lmao. All of this sounds sick.
Lol it's great you never built up that muscle memory
I don't think i've ever been to a video so early before
Finally, a video worth watching.
@@Juan-rd5ww I try to make those, yeah😁
as a relatively new hh main i am really excited
I completely agree that its kind of nice theyre switching away from the echo spam.. Mind you, i LOVE spamming spin to win. But the one thing I really liked from my short time playing the demo, was that I felt that between echo bubbles and performance/encore damage, I was actively encouraged to be using the songs to damage the monsters and trying to have songs queued up. Honestly i think thats good for gameplay
I liked it too; I just wish that in the best case scenario with no variables it wasn't so good you'd just spam it+Hilt Stab. It took away from how much you'd use the other combat options. This time, like you said the best damage loop pretty much forces you to interact with HH's utility gimmicks. Songs=buffs, and songs=damage!
My body is ready.
So what are we thinking on the Echo Waves? You mentioned Blunt, Slicing, Element, and Status, so maybe...
Red- Blunt
Blue- Sever (associated with wind)
Orange- Elemental (was Dragon, and Yellow doesn't have it)
Cyan- Status (Cyan+Orange has Abnormal Status Attack Increased)
Yellow- Nothing, apparently
Green- Maybe also nothing
@@Spyger9 the wording of the Hunter's Notes ("A melody effect that deals damage. Each HH has different effects. Some deal blunt or slicing damage, while others can inflict elemental damage or status ailments") and the fact that this HH only had 1 makes me assume that it's more weapon dependent than note dependent. Like, 'Echo Wave' is just a moveset addition now, that requires notes stocked to use, and the effects vary like phials/shells, etc.
@@KPlaysHereBut that would involve breaking the rules/consistency of note combinations. Certain note combos result in the same effect regardless of which horn they are on; it's actually impossible to break that rule with the way Monster Hunter World is coded. Though I suppose they completely tossed that rule in Rise.
Personally I'm fine with any changes to the melody system that result in better balance and more flexibility. The addition of Special Melodies and Echo Waves only reinforces my desire for horn customization in the vein of bowgun attachments.
@@Spyger9 they've already shown a tweak that might be them accounting for that. AuL used to be white>red>red, but they changed it to white>red>white and gave that note combo to Echo Wave Blunt instead. I'd have to look through the existing song lists to be sure, but if you take away the specific colors to make it a default thing, Echo Wave could hypothetically just be a note 122 combo across the board and they'd just need to comb through and modify any existing note combos that have that sequence in them.
On a side note, that'd make Flourish a good bit more common in combat--once you're buffed up, you could go full offense and just spam Echo Wave for Recital combos. Makes me hope even more that elemental/status HH is the way to go because that's more of a 'hit often, not hard' kind of move
Excellent video man, very informative and as a main of the Doot Snoop Booper I really cannot wait to jump into Wilds 🎼🎼🎼
@@mikesanders5433 thanks! I'm excited to see what else there is to find in the full game!
@@KPlaysHere from what we have been shown just from the first two locales I’m super excited to see what other locales we have in store!
Although now I don’t want to see anymore of them. I’ve seen enough and want to discover them 😬
Really happy to hear your optimism from your first hand experience, it does a lot to counter my natural reservations. On a side note youre a good looking dude! Good luck with your streaming if you decide to go forward with it.
I try lol, on all of it🤣 yeah, that whole weekend did nothing but build my hype to crazy levels and give me a bit of a streaming bug. Thanks for the well wishes! It'd definitely be a big jump from my usual content
4.4k hours and i didnt know you can look at weapon movesets outside the training area ahhh🤣been loving your videos recently had to slap the subscribe
The more ya watch, the more you'll learn lol
doot
okay thats amazing because it gives the potential for dual weapons similar to some dual blades.
by having lets say fire element on its own and poison waves
from the rathian bell.
or heavy raw on slicing wave horn for smth like doshaguma
Yeah! It's pretty fitting for HH to have interesting utility options like that, because it deepens how technical it can get. If I'll even be choosing Horns right down to how 1 specific move works...
You're telling me I might be able to doot off a monster's tail?
@@marmyeater yup! Or serenade it to sleep so someone else can, but doing yourself is definitely the bigger assertion of doot dominance lol
@@KPlaysHere That sounds like it's gonna be so good! Thank you.
I just hope that at some point in the future they bring back directional encores, it's cool that you can do directional performance beats but those meaty directional encore hits are what made me fall in love with the weapon in the first place. If it had that it would literally be the perfect horn
Echos being able to do elemental/status damage is sooooooo peak, very excited to sing people to sleep
@@luckypeanut9943 and wake 'em back up with a sonic BOOM!
Very sad to hear back encore is gone (if I understood right) cause even if it was a long animation, it was insanely meaty. But you showed several new things I wasn't aware of like the back jump into a counter. Very excited to play the demo!
And yes, I'm definitely interested in some merch!
RIP Back Encore, we'll miss you 😭 the great damage potential on the new Encore will be greatly appreciated but sometimes you can't quite beat nostalgia
yeah... was definitely one of my favorite parts of world horn. All in all it looks interesting but I have mixed feelings about it. Just gonna have to wait and see.
@@Brass319 I'm sure it'll still feel amazing, especially playing around the bubbles. Just gotta see how different it really is overall when we finally get the demo!
Those monsters will fear the doot! 😂😂😂
The doot stops for NOTHING! Lol I can't wait to serenade all these new monsters to death😂
@@KPlaysHere i'm gonna hand out all the concussions and head trauma ! 😛
Hey man. Just want to chime in as a long time HH player and say THANK YOU! Knowing all of this information has been great for my peace of mind. I was not a huge fan of the Rise horn 😅. Keep up the great work!
Yeah, after Rise's mixed reviews it's good to see that they went back to the drawing board to really build us a weapon we'll all enjoy. Was really hoping there'd be someone out there to get all this info for us, but it's not too bad getting to BE that person either😏
Glad to see the Hunting Horn mains being pleased with Wilds.
Personally I'm an Insect Glaive main, and as an Arial Player, I'm sincerely hoping this is like last time where the demo didn't have Arial Glaive and it got added later.
yea, I think the backlash is enough even if it wasn't planned. but the weapon seems to have a lot of hidden details, the fact backwards vault gets i frames and we can animate cancel air attacks with charged moves already opens the door to more air attacks being optimal damage and ground is weaker option
I'm actually pretty interested to see how the whole IG thing develops when more players can access it/the full game releases and we can see all of what may or may not be there
Honestly I personally would be more upset about it but 1. I've been trying out and having fun with more weapons than ever in world (including horn) so I won't have any shortage of things to play if I don't end up liking glaive and 2. plunging thrust is insanely well designed because it lets you land while dealing some good damage and jumping right into the best part of your combo so if advancing thrust fills a similar role but slightly weaker in exchange for letting you change direction a second time in midair after say using your midair dodge to avoid an attack then I would be insanely happy.
The only thing that would really turn me away from the weapon is if they brought back 4-way air dodges. Thank goodness it does not seem like they brought back 4-way air dodges
@@Brass319 makes perfect sense to me. There's definitely a sense of there being a bunch of new techniques and mechanics being added, but not really acknowledged because people are too focused on what was removed/changed
@@KPlaysHere can't say I'm not guilty myself with how focused I am on whether or not they've removed 4-way air dodge
I've been waiting for this man to drop. We eatin boys!
nice video, thanks for the info
sounds nice can not wait
Forget Gunlance, Hunting Horn might be the most improved weapon in Wilds...
I've really come back to World two or three months ago after I mostly completed the game (a handful of Fatalis kills). While I enjoyed Horn for a lot of the game, once I reached end game, I sort of dropped the weapon. Spin to win is fine, but I found myself wishing it wasn't the highest DPS combo. Well, it seems my wish has been fulfilled! There seems to be so, so much fun stuff for Horn in general, I think the weapon has a very real chance of making me drop Lance as my main weapon. (Or hey I can probably just use both, we'll see what weapon synergies will be like. I feel like LBG could be a serious contender to be the "support secondary", especially when I already get all the juicy goodies from Horn when using it as a main.)
Spin2win is an amazing move, but that was its problem. It was TOO good, to the point where it overshadowed everything else. Playing songs as the main damage loop is definitely the way to go; no matter what other new things they add I'd really want that part to stay consistent. I'm hoping a lot more people see everything it can do and end up conflicted lonl. The more people looking at it to consider playing it more the better!
here we GO
Never really thought pocket horn was a problem since pocket horn also would have theoretically applied to hunting horn as well, hunting horn players could bring a pocket horn with a different set of buffs from their main horn (or they may even switch which horn is their "main" depending on the monster)
The distinction I saw to it was the fact that you're not really 'using' the pocket (insert weapon here) for anything other than its gimmick. Like, for example, a tail cutting weapon wouldn't count for me because you have to actually fight with it to do what you're trying to do. Pocket Horn+actual Horn is kinda in a weird middle ground because while 1 would absolutely just be there for its gimmick you'd still be fully using a HH
Speaking about breaking bad habits... I don't know how to DPS without echo attack lol.
Welp, better start learning lol. I know I'll definitely need to start
i dont like sharing my "secret tech" but remember my words... if they wont change few things from the demo, HH will be actually very easy to abuse for at least 1 song, and 20% dmg boost is mega big in this game... especially if u play with full team.
The catch though is that you'd need to reactivate that 20% damage buff every 2-3 minutes if Horn Maestro and basic buff timers remain the same. For full time HH that's not all that big a deal, but any other way you'd be swapping so often it'd become a chore
@@KPlaysHere monsters run away and u will jump on your mount sooner or later. u are not forced to keep 100% uptime. even these small bursts of 3mins are very big chunk of dps
if u are good at the game u will only have to refresh it twice anyway also some ppl might like different buff to keep on themselves with longer duration
just to add in, protective polish is also a chore that u do every 1min with certain builds. if ppl can do that then they will also go for song that lasts 3mins but takes bit more time to "cast"
wow thanks for sharing your secret tech, i appreciate it a lot. never seen this idea online before or on click bait videos or complained about on reddit as a neta strat. 👍
@@petercottantail7850 i didnt share anything about my tech here. i know that HH buff swap was wide known. im just telling u guys that when the demo or game will be out and there will be no changes done then there is a chance that someone will do video about it and with that "secret information" HH swap for buff will make a lot more sense and will look A LOT less annoying to use
but thx for your passive aggressive comment
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For sure. There is too many benefits to pocket horning that overshadow the cons.
We already know that switching weapons is fast. Activating strong songs like Atk L or Stamina Res L will be huge for lasting so long that it could make your main weapon much easier to use.
For example, skills like lvl 3 offensive guard only last *12 seconds* and procs only after a perfect guard for 15% atk boost yet it's a must skill for lance. If the monster doesn't attack cause it's drooling, running away, focusing on other hunters.. then this won't proc so often (not to mention is takes three lvl 3 deco slots to max rank, EXPENSIVE). Now with how easy it is to pocket horn, it won't taking up deco slots for other guard skills, songs lasts way longer than 12 seconds, attack boost L being 20%, can be activated without needing to be attacked first.. you can see where I'm getting at.
It's clear to see that pocket horning can negate some weapon weaknesses by either taking the spot for armor skills or just straight up making them stronger then they were already.
Oh we eatin good bro. It fell off in RiseBreak and it almost lost its spot on my roster, but God DAMN ARE WE BACK!!! Specifically the echo wave thingies 15:35
So excited for status horn! I always loved the designs of the insect looking horn in rise - but the paralysis wasn’t very viable. I want a skill that give us buffs when the monster is poisoned, a skill to lengthen paralysis time, and a skill to increase damage even further than the normal when the monster falls asleep!
@@---jt5wg well we had Foray that gave more damage vs poisoned or paralyzed monsters in Sunbreak, but skills like that for other statuses would be cool too! I love status weapons; really wish there were more ways to build them up to be stronger.
What I wanna know (aside from whether or not all sound waves deal status/element) is if you can get a status/element Echo Wave on a Horn that doesn't have those, or if it just boosts what's already there...like, can I have a double status HH between the weapon and the song? Or does the song just show up on status Horns and act as a move for dumping a large amount of burst status?
After hearing all this, surely there will be more HH users! There will be dozens of us! DOZENS!!
At last, there will be at least 12 of us!
The reason I rarely use the hunting horn is simply cuz of my addiction for cutting off monster tails, time to finally enjoy the weapon to the full extent!
Subbed!! You'll be my music teacher come 2/28 😂😂😂
Welcome to the band!!!
Shirt interest expressed !
I'm already anticipating that pitfall trap and 4 hungry hunting horn bubbles just waiting to stunlock untill death
HH speedrunning in Wilds=straight up monster abuse lol
Doot bros we are so back!
IT'S TIMEEE!
Dooot man this weapon looks good
I feel for that echo wave, I'm hoping we may be able to mod which effect we apply to it. Now that would be amazing.
I did have an idea for being able to 'tune' your Horn to get different song lists, but now that we've potentially got no less than 2-3 other varying abilities besides that it's something I'd REALLY like to see
As a HH main since tri can’t wait to kill monsters with music again
Really looking forward to The Horn, and (from what I interpret) it seems to be have some rythm mechanics which is pretty cool since it is a musical weapon.
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Yeah! Lol for the longest time I wondered why it not only never had something like that, but the 1st time they did it was given to SnS of all things
I recently went back to World and this time decided to pick up HH instead main CB... it is interesting weapon and it looks really good in Wilds
@@theslowdeath you're definitely leaning into what'll probably be 2 of the more technical weapons in Wilds from the looks of it!
Thanks for all the insight into what to expect. I can't believe those PC spec requirements though. Really hope those change before release. The 4 man hunting horn party sounds too fun. Let's make it happen.
I'm down! Definitely gonna make sure I enjoy the hell out of this game with all the work I'll probably have to put into making it run smoothly lol
doot mah man, I hope I can keep up with the learning curve that you're talking about, I like spamming sometimes
I really want a chance to test the damage differences out between timed and untimed attacks at my own pace. The amount of impact that'll have is gonna be important to know, but tbh I think that if you're not setting out for high level play you might be alright just knowing how to work with the bubbles at bare minimum
I'M SO FUCKING READY YESSS
I'm so ready to Doot in Wilds