Is Catholicism Biblical?
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"Where is THAT in the Bible?"
Are the teachings of the Catholic faith biblical?
How should Catholics answer when protestants demand bible verses for our beliefs? What is the relationship between Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition? Watch and decide for yourself.
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Alleluia. Thanks be to God.
So uplifting to see the Holy Spirit throughout the world.
Are Catholic beliefs and practices biblical?
The question that concerns every church and its practices should be, "Is this biblical?" If a teaching is biblical (taken in context), it should be accepted. If it is not, it should be rejected. God is more interested in whether a church does His will and obeys His Word than whether it can trace its lineage back to Jesus' apostles. Jesus was very concerned about the Word of God being rejected to follow traditions of men (Mark 7:7). Traditions are not inherently wrong...there are some good and valuable traditions. To reiterate, the concern should be whether a doctrine, practice or tradition is biblical. How then does the Catholic Church compare to the Word of God?
Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is regenerated through baptism and maintained through the Catholic sacraments, except through a willful act of sin that destroys the sanctified state of grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace, which we receive through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a changed heart worked out in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; I Corinthians 5:17) and through the fruit of new life in Christ (John 15).
Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that
Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is not guaranteed or certain. 1 John 5:13 says that the reason for writing 1 John was so that believers could be ASSURED of their salvation.
Good works: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism), and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confessing sins to a priest, etc.). The Bible teaches that Christians are saved by grace through faith, completely apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9, Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).
Baptism: In the New Testament, baptism ALWAYS comes AFTER saving faith in Christ. Baptism is not the reason for salvation; it is faith in the gospel that saves (1 Corinthians 1:14-18; Romans 10:13-17). The Roman Catholic Church teaches the regeneration of infants through baptism, a practice never found in Scripture. The only possible reference to the baptism of infants that the Roman Catholic Church can point to is that the entire household of the jailer in Philippi was baptized, as recorded in Acts 16:33. However, the context never mentions infants. Acts 16:31 explains that salvation comes by faith. Paul addressed the whole household in verse 31, and the whole household believed (verse 34). This passage only supports the baptism of those who have already believed, not that of infants.
Prayer: The Roman Catholic Church teaches Catholics not only to pray to God, but also to petition Mary and the saints for their prayers. Contrary to this, Scripture teaches us to pray to God alone (Matthew 6:9; Luke 18:1-7).
Priesthood: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that there is a difference between priests and "commoners," where the New Testament teaches that all believers hold the priesthood (1 Peter 2:9).
Sacraments: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a believer is filled with grace by receiving the sacraments. This teaching is nowhere to be found in Scripture.
Confession: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that, unless the believer is incapacitated, the only way to be forgiven of sins is through confession to a priest. In contrast, Scripture teaches that confession of sins is made to God alone (1 John 1:9).
Mary: The Roman Catholic Church teaches, among other things, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven, everlasting Virgin and with redeemer who ascended to heaven. In the Holy Scriptures she is portrayed as an obedient, faithful servant of God who became the mother of Jesus. None of the other attributes mentioned by the Roman Catholic Church have their basis in the Bible. The view that Mary was the co-redemptrix and is another mediator between God and man is not only extra-biblical (found only outside of Scripture), but is also unbiblical (contrary to Scripture). Acts 4:12 declares that Jesus is the only Savior. 1 Timothy 2:5 proclaims that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man.
Many other examples could be listed here. These points alone clearly identify the Catholic Church as unbiblical. Every Christian denomination has traditions and practices that are not explicitly based on the Bible. This is the reason why Scripture must be the standard for Christian belief and practice. The Word of God is always true and trustworthy. The same cannot be said about church traditions. Our guideline should be: "What does the Bible say?" (Romans 4:3; Galatians 4:30; Acts 17:10). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 proclaims, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly prepared for every good work.
@@thespoiledtexan3904 May I hear your salvation testimony please?
Me too! I love being Catholic. God is good all the time.
"That's Not What That MEANS"!!! And that is why there are approaching 70,000 different Protestant denominations.
“That’s not what that means” and that is why rome is approaching 71,000 separate sects that can not agree.
@@timrosen1618 There is ONE Catholic Church with ONE set of doctrines. "Read the CCC"
There is NO other...
@@annapennrose1158read the bible and Jesus is definitely not catholic.
@@EddyRobichaud Actually, I disagree with you strongly...no one has ever researched themselves out of the Catholic church. The more you study, the more you read that Catholicism is precisely what Christ had in mind.
@@EddyRobichaud The 73 Books of the Catholic Christian Bible were discerned at the Councils of Rome, Hippo & Carthage in 382,393 & 397.
The officially ratified in 405 by Pope Innocent.
So proud of you brother 👏 God is Good hallelujah Amen 🙏 100% RIGHT ♥️
Awesome! Thank you, Keith, for all your love to Jesus, Mother Mary, and the Holy Spirit. Amen 🙏🏼
Keith, you are the best CCD I’ve ever WANTED to participate in 😂. I did all the CCD classes growing up as a cradle Catholic, and have and am growing so much in my faith and your channels are such a huge part!!! At 56, I feel like I’ve missed so much but am so grateful I’ve gotten here!!! ❤ all y’all, Kristy in Missouri 😃🙏🙏🙏
That is very kind of you to say.
I went through 12 years of Catholic school and learned more from apologists on RUclips about my faith than I ever learned in school.❤
@@elizabethbarberis9957Likewise. I became a good apologist watching our brothers and sisters defending our faith. Viva Christo Rey! Salve Regina, Viva La Virgen de Guadalupe 🙏
@@KeithNester If catholisism is biblical, why do you need so many "poison pills" (statements to avoid discussion) in your video ???
@@studygodsword5937If your brand of Protestantism is so biblical, why didn’t they preserve and canonize scripture? Oh ya , they weren’t around at the time !
Keith, discovering you shortly before deciding to attend OCIA & convert has been an immense blessing to my faith walk. Thank you, brother.
Not in the Bible:
“Bible”
“Trinity”
Also not in the Bible: “You must accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.” While this is true, and I believe it fully, it’s not written in scripture.
Bible means library, here is Jesus refuting thr religious Jews with the lBible” Matthew 22:29[29] But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.” Matthew 19:4 [4] He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female,” more of Jesus not quoting from the Bible you claim is not in the Bible. Christ used the Tanakh, the Bible of his day, he knew it to be theopneustos and he knew Satan knew it too. Matthew 4:4 [4] But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Where is sola scriptura in the Bible? Show us.
Why won't you interview Steven Ray? Walk the talk you won't.
John 1:12
But to all who receive him, who believe in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Jesus is Lord meaning He should reign over someone’s life and Jesus is saviour, so if you accept Jesus in your life,you will receive Him as your personal Lord and Saviour.
@@timrosen1618 You're WRONG though. Jesus Christ ✝️ did NOT condemn the Sadducees and the Pharisees for their Religious Tradition, but for their Hypocrisy.
@@Darth_Vader258 “You’re wrong though” Incorrect, reread what I wrote in context.
Great video Keith! I’m just about done trying to talk to people on Twitter who are exactly like this.
I can only picture this was how you & Steve Ray were back in your glory days trying to convert Catholics.
Pure genius. You distilled this perfectly, Keith. Thank you. Tired of being on the defensive. We need to own the truth and turn it back on those who would challenge the Church’s teaching. You are a gift to the Church! Thank you!❤
Thank you Keith! Excellent!
Thank you Bro Keith Nester . Continue defending the catholic church as a former protestant
This is an excellent topic!! I have watched/listened to you and the guys at CTS but still do not come up with good answers so thank you for this! This is perfect.
When I was a prot the Bible Alone doctrine didn't really make sense to me. And now I know why. These books of the New Testament were officially put together at the Council of Carthage, AD 397. And it's purpose was to be read at the Litergy. The Bible Alone doctrine was invented by former Augustinian monk Martin Luther, AD 1517.
Check out Lloyd De Jongh on the history of Martin Luther and the Gnostic origin of his heresies; you never heard history like it!
What do you mean by “Bible Alone doctrine”?
@@timrosen1618 It's one of the doctrines invented by Martin Luther in 1517 at the start of the Protestant Revolution. Christianity had always been based on the teachings of Christ through the apostles and the Church Fathers. And most of that teaching was found in the bible, which The Church put together in 397. But after the Bible Alone doctrine in 1517 some people started basing their faith on their own personal interpretation of the bible alone.
@@JayRedding12_12 “through Christ and the apostles” I agree with, but “church fathers” they contradicted themselves and each other on many occasions. John 3:14-15[14] “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, [15] that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.” Many of the “fathers” would add to these very words of Christ, adding dogmas that were foreign to the apostles.
@@timrosen1618 The Church Father's I read agreed all agreed on the Trinity, succession of bishops, the True Presence on the Eucharist, etc.
Catholicism has the most biblically sound system of theology out there
Indeed it does. And that is coming from a scientist. All my life I have been trained to deal with solid scientific facts. And when I returned to Catholicism, I recognized that of all the religions, only Catholicism says what it does, and does what it says. Also, it has no problem revealing everything in broad daylight where it can scrutinized by anyone. No other religion does that to the same extent.
Yes, an agnostic colleague once told me that if one is going to believe in God, Catholicism is the only religion that makes sense historically and theologically. He planted one of the seeds that led to my eventual conversion.
If you know your bible you know that Jesus was not catholic and his teachings are not catholic doctrine.
@@EddyRobichaudno he was a reformed Baptist 😂
@user-fi1pe4dg3u my friend I implore you to repent and believe in the True Church of Jesus Christ which gave you that bible. You are missing out on the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
I too have been asked dozens of times by non-Catholics where something is in the Bible, and when I give them the Chapter and Verse, they invariably always answer the same way, "That's not what it means." So my answer is this, "What do you think it means." Nine times out of ten, they cannot answer that question because after trying to put together a credible explanation, they suddenly realize their interpretation is full of holes. So instead, they change direction and say. "I don't know what it means, but it doesn't mean what you said it means." And that's where it usually ends.
The fact that two people (you and them) have different opinions about what this or that verse means - regardless of who is actually correct - refutes their claim that the Bible is self-interpreting! If it was, you wouldn't be arguing, would you? 😂
Is there an official-infallible interpretations of the Bible by your church? Without such a book you can't know what a verse means.
@@Justas399how do you not recognize that you just described yourself?
Where in the Bible does it say that we need a second Bible to interpret the first Bible? If that's the case wouldn't we need a third Bible to interpret the second Bible and so on, ad infinitem?
Of course you're still thinking like an irrational Protestant who claims that books can interpret themselves when of course books are inanimate objects, and people must interpret them. It's obvious to anyone who uses basic critical thinking that because a book cannot interpret itself we do not use another book to interpret it; we look for person who has the authority of final interpretation. But I don't need to explain this to Protestants they know full well, which is precisely why they claim that they themselves are the highest authority to interpret the Bible about others.
Since you lack a single source that authoritatively interprets every scripture verse it's unclear why you demand one except as hypocritical double standard.
@@Justas399 The first Christians did not have the Bible; they had the church to whom Jesus had promised the Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth. In the year 150 there was no definitive collection of scriptures that were known to be inspired but there were already errors believed by some groups that the church declared to be heresies. Because the church was led by the Spirit of truth even before the Bible was compiled into one book which the church declared to be inspired. If you accept the Church’s claim that these are inspired scriptures, why don’t you accept that same Church’s interpretation of them?
If I believed the Book of Mormon ( but I do not) it would make sense to accept their idea of what it means.
Since the Bible came from the Church why do you not accept the Church’s interpretation of it?
@@clairestevens3194 Christians have always had written Scriptures. The 1st Christians had the OT Scriptures.
Christ only promised the apostles to lead them into all the truth. Not the church. All the truth is the NT and nothing more.
Christ never promised anyone or church infallibility. Do you believe all that your pope is saying and doing?
Your church has never officially nor infallibly interpreted the Scriptures. When you compare many of the doctrines of your church you don't find them taught in the Scriptures. Doctrines such as the papacy, marian dogmas, purgatory, indulgences or praying to the dead.
I love that quote from the catechism. The whole section says something like this.
85 "The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ."47 This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.
86 "Yet this Magisterium is not superior to the Word of God, but is its servant. It teaches only what has been handed on to it. At the divine command and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it listens to this devotedly, guards it with dedication and expounds it faithfully. All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith."48
87 Mindful of Christ's words to his apostles: "He who hears you, hears me",49 The faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their pastors give them in different forms.
AMEN GOD BLESS YOU KEITH NESTER 🙏🙏🙏 from philippines.
"Even the Devil quotes scripture." - St Jerome
Then Keith must be the devil according to what he said .
@@isrberlinerin4063
Jesus was accused of having a demon by those who’d opposed His teaching.
On what basis would you accuse Keith Nestor of being the devil?
Yeah it’s so true that the devil can quote scripture’s,so with that being said isn’t it true that countless people read and quote scripture’s from all different denominations and nationalities,who’s right and who’s wrong???🤔🤔🤔🤨🤨🤨HOO WEE
@@johnchung6777
Some - despite the different denominations & nationalities - still may quote it correctly so that alone isn’t a disqualifier.
Some misquote it.
To be fair though this is something that people have done almost from the Church’s very beginnings.
The Church is authoritative. Scripture informs of the following:
1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
So it is the Church established by Christ that is authoritative - not someone wielding a Bible giving their opinion of truth.
@@kainosktisis777 yeah and who did the Son God start and build his Church On ?🤔
Keith, this new series of yours is absolute fire. I'd love for you to have a conversation with Joshua Charles. You guys would get along famously!
He's my dude. I talk to him regularly.
@@KeithNester I should have known! When is he going to be on your channel? That guy is an absolute Early Church chad.
Salvation is very Simple
HalleluYAH “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE
- Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses)
- Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.”
Isaiah 43:11
“I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.”
Isaiah 45:5
“I am YaH, and there is none else.”
@@KeithNester
If Christ Jesus did not establish the Catholic Church, who did, and when and how? The apostle Paul foretold that after his death wolfish men would enter the Christian congregation and that these would “speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.”-Acts 20:29, 30, NW.
In writing the Thessalonian Christians not to expect the return of Christ in their day Paul warned that it would not come before there was an apostasy, that this apostasy or mystery of lawlessness was already at work in his day and that it would blossom out after he and others who acted as a restraint to it were out of the way. (2 Thess. 2:5, 7, 9) If such conditions began to manifest themselves while the apostles were alive, what could be expected after the apostles passed from the scene? What could? In answer to that question note what the historian Lord in his Old Roman World has to say about the gradual development of this apostasy:
“In the First Century not many wise or noble were called. . . . In the Second Century . . . It was a disgrace to be a Christian in the eye of fashion or power.” However, it was during this century that “bishops became influential, not in society, but among Christians.” This calls to mind what the apostle John had to say about one Diotrophes, “who likes to have the first place among them,” and who did not receive with respect anything John and the others with him had to say.-3 John 9.
“The Third Century,” continues Lord in his Old Roman World, “saw the church more powerful as an institution,” although “it was not until the Fourth Century-when imperial persecution had stopped; when the emperor Constantine was converted [only ostensibly, since he was not “baptized” until he lay on his deathbed]; when the Church was allied with the State, . . . that men of rank entered the Church. When Christianity became the religion of the court and of the fashionable classes, it was used to support the very evils against which it originally protested. The Church was not only impregnated with the errors of Pagan philosophy, but it adopted many of the ceremonies of oriental worship.”
Thus we see that when apostate Christianity fused itself with pagan philosophy and religion, and in the interests of worldly fame, wealth and political power it joined hands with the state, that marked the beginning of the Catholic Church as she has been known for the past sixteen centuries. Although claiming to be espoused to Christ she has had worldly paramours from the time of Constantine down to Franco, whom she allows to have a voice in the appointing of her bishops in Spain.
While the birth of the Catholic Church may be pinpointed at A.D. 325, when Constantine decided the debate on the trinity held at Nicea in favor of Athanasius and against Arius, it was not until after the year A.D. 440 that the bishop of the Roman see, Leo I, became in fact the first pope. He was the first Roman bishop able to hold undisputed sway over the other three sees into which the Christian world at that time was divided, namely, the Constantinopolitan, the Antiochian and the Alexandrian.
Upon becoming bishop of Rome, Leo I presumptuously stated: “I will revive government once more upon this earth; not by bringing back the Caesars, but by declaring a new theocracy, by making myself the vicegerent of Christ, by virtue of the promise made to Peter, whose successor I am, in order to restore law, punish crime, head off heresy, encourage genius, conserve peace, heal dissensions, protect learning; appealing to love, but ruling by fear. Who but the Church can do this? A theocracy will create a new civilization. Not a diadem, but a tiara will I wear, a symbol of universal sovereignty, before which barbarism shall flee away.”-Beacon Lights of History, Vol. III, pages 244, 245.
That some even in Paul’s day had an ambition similar to that of Leo I is apparent from Paul’s words to the Corinthians: “You men already have your fill, do you? You are rich already, are you? You have begun ruling as kings without us, have you? And I wish indeed that you had begun ruling as kings, that we also might rule with you as kings.” (1 Cor. 4:8, NW) The ambition of Leo I was fully realized by Leo III, when, on December 25, A.D. 800, he crowned Charlemagne emperor of the Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic nations. Here, then, we have the gradual development of the Roman Catholic Church.
Regarding the early Christian congregation Paul expressed this concern: “I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy, for I personally promised you in marriage to one husband that I might present you as a chaste virgin to the Christ. But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its craftiness, your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ. For, as it is, if someone comes and preaches a Jesus other than the one we preached, or you receive a spirit other than what you received, or good news other than what you accepted, you easily put up with him.”-2 Cor. 11:2-4, NW.
Here we have it. Just as the “covering cherub” allowed his ambition to change him from an obedient spirit creature to Satan the Devil; just as the choice and pure vine of Israel allowed herself to deteriorate into a degenerate and wild vine; so, too, many of the Christian congregation, which began as a pure and chaste virgin, allowed themselves to be overreached by Satan the Devil and his world, to become unfaithful to their Lord Jesus Christ and to bring forth all manner of bad fruit, at which time they became known as the Catholic Church. So, instead of Christ, it really is Satan the Devil that is the one who established the Catholic Church.-Jer. 2:21; Ezek. 28:14-16.
Arians were Bible Alone. Catholics out-debated them using tradition.
Is not the Eucharist , the Mass the Last Supper , penance tradition
@@ronaldeglewski3073 ?
"Bible alone" is a protestant invention. The Church existed for about 350 years BEFORE the bible. Sacred Tradition is vitally important. Paul even mentions Tradition many times!
@@richardounjian9270Right and what they forget is the entire OT was passed down by tradition. These folks aren't very bright and if the spirit was in them, they'd see it as clearly as most Christians on the planet see it.
It's very sad. Just pray for them. Keep peace in your heart and don't let Satan take you down with them. I have to pray multiple times a day for peace after getting off of my catholic channels and seeing uninvited guests waging war on us. I guess the truth hurts them. It makes them angry. And Jesus said they hated Him first. He lost disciples because of the Eucharist while they walked with Him. It's not surprise that even today He'd lose disciples who have never met Him.
@@Humbleservant0707 I think deep down the are envious. But, the disobedient nature of protestantism keeps them away from the truth. Peace
I tell Protestants: "It is in the Bible, right next to the word 'Trinity'".
What is your point?
@@TimSpangler-v9i The Trinity is not in the Bible. That doctrine was revealed to the Church.
@fantasia55
I tell them it is in the _table of contents_ the _end of John_ and the Gospel where _Jesus says it is better to give than receive._
@@fantasia55 Of course Trinity is in the Bible. Not the word but the concept...and you know it
@@TimSpangler-v9i You're claiming that Protestants may find doctrines to be biblical *in concept* but not Catholics.
This was an excellent explanation to help us understand. Thank you Keith 🙏
Being a lifelong Protestant, I KNOW the Catholic Church is biblical. The Church existed about 350 years BEFORE the Bible. The Catholic Church actually wrote all the New Testament scriptures as it was the only church the Orthodox schism in 1054 and the heretical denominations from the Protestant Reformation in 1517. After I studied my Bible, studied the early church fathers, the history of the Bible, I came home to the Catholic Church about 5 years ago.
You a gift of God ,who really fight for the true faith,the Catholic religion.I am a Catholic by birth and is learning much from you you have deepened our faith and thank you.God bless you.
I was hooked on this discussion. Thanks brother, Keith! More power to you man! Stay blessed!🙏🏼💯
We’ll explained thanks Keith
John 16:12-13, "I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming."
Nothing to do with Catholic church.
@@JESUS_Saves3747Apparently you're the authority who dictates for us what the Bibke means? When and where did Christ establish you as the Interpreter for the rest of us?
@@JESUS_Saves3747 Protestantism certainly requires one to make that claim.
I interprete what the Bible is say and I don't mix it with pseudo biblical traditions.
Mark 7:7-8: "7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do."
That's for you.
@@JESUS_Saves3747 You did not answer Steve's question. Who gave you the authority?
Good video Brother. BTW, since our conversation last year, I have overcome my objections to the Marry dogmas and will finish my journey on Easter. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Wonderful!
Watching from Blythe California: Praise and Thanks God Forever!!! Thanks God for having you Bro. Keith. The most Holy Trinity ( Father, Son & Holy Spirit ) must be delighted with you for all what you are doing for Him for His Glory and defending our Catholic Faith. God bless you and your family. More power and blessings to you and your channel. You are always in my prayers.
You are crushing it with these videos thank you so much for making them
Glad you like them!
@@hebrews5127 can u explain a bit more please ?
He won't explain anything. He will just post random verses and we are all supposed to be amazed. @@Scb30476
@@hebrews5127 I still don’t see how your verse contradicts or cause an “issue”
Teach you something? If you don’t learn anything from this amazing well put videos 🫤 theeeen I would maybe rewatch it and pray pray alotb
@@KeithNester If catholisism is biblical, why do you need so many "poison pills" (statements to avoid discussion) in your video ???
Exactly. It is a question of authority. Who gets to say what verse means what.
The irony of Protestantism is that each claims that his interpretation is authoritative because he is led by the Holy Spirit, yet each then turns around and denies that his neighbor is also led by Holy Spirit. It's a proposition that necessarily leads to each man claiming his interpretation is more authoritative than the next even as all of them base their authority on the same claim to personal inspiration, aka, Gnosticism.
@@stevedoetsch yes, correct. That is why the Church created The Dicastrium of The Faith, and The Magistratium to halt such heresies long before Martin Luther came along.
It is also why Eastern Orthodox has such a hard time coming back into Communion with The Church. The Orthodox just can't accept what The Magistratium pronounces.
@@stevedoetsch The problem with your theory is that rome does not claim to have infallibly defined all of scripture.
@@stevedoetsch That’s not true, you are pooling everyone that is not roman catholic into one homogeneous group, would it be fare to say all Roman Catholics support abortion just because half of your church in the U.S. does? Christians that understand Sola Scriptura believe as St. Aranaeius when he taught that “But our faith is right, and starts from the teaching of the Apostles and tradition of the fathers, being confirmed both by the New Testament and the Old...” reread that, “being confirmed both by the New and Old” meaning testaments.
Watched your conversion story the other day. Quite something. Sometimes people even apparently not of good faith can be brought closer to the light by quoting verses.
Keith, I enjoy tremendously videos like this. It’s hard to defend my faith from all the Bible-scripture only naysayers.
Fantastic video!!! Keith you touched upon much of the objections other christian denominations seem to fling at the Catholic Church, you addressed each topic in a comprehensive and cogent matter, complete with doctrine passages and heartfelt passion for our Lord…..good on you, keep up the great work! I will definitely share this video with friends and family members that denounce my Catholic faith. 🙏🏼
YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT BIBLE VERSE IS SENSIBLE AND SUBSTANTIAL, I REALY LIKE YOUR CONTENT.
As Trent horn said “Protestants argue like atheists”
The Catholic Church comprised & gave The Holy Bible to the world. Over 1500 years later, Protestants, without Gods authority, rewrote it, deleted verses, chapters, books and changed wording to The Holy Bible & to The Ten Commandments. Changing a word here and there can negate the meaning of Gods word.
Revelation 22:18 For I call as witnesses all listeners of the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone will have added to these, God will add upon him the afflictions written in this book.
Revelation 22:19 And if anyone will have taken away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion from the Book of Life, and from the Holy City, and from these things which have been written in this book.
Jeremiah 26:2 “Thus says the Lord: Stand in the atrium of the house of the Lord, and speak to all the cities of Judah, from which they come to adore in the house of the Lord, all the words that I have commanded you to speak to them. DO NOT CHOOSE TO SUBTRACT ANY WORD.”
That’s funny, rome has added then deleted books. Do some research.
@@timrosen1618 Which of the 71,000 sects of Rome did that?
@@timrosen1618 FALSE!
@@lellachu1682the catholic Church is the one true church
@@andreeattieh2963 Yes, the Catholic Church is Christ's One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Thanks! You just revived my faith as the Holy Spirit flows through you!
Man…I just simply love this video breakdown Kieth. From one devout Catholic man to another, every now & the you gotta appreciate a good Catechistic sizzle-reel of facts and existence to dismantle the ignorance from our fellow protestants. May we pray for their conversion. 🙏🏾
Thank you Keith for defending our faith.
I had a proty in one of the comments on an earlier video of yours state that nowhere in the Bible does it say that you need to repent from sin. I pointed out that was literally the exact message of John the Baptist, and he basically tried to argue No, John the Baptist meant something completely different than the literal words that he was saying.
It’s kind of frustrating because some people truly believe that it’s faith alone and repentance isn’t a part of that. When you accept Jesus into your heart as your lord and savior you just magically get forgiven of all sins past and future and that’s not even how it works.
Ephesians 2:8-9: "8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."
@@JESUS_Saves3747 Did you not even listen to Keith. It is not about throwing verses at one another. It is about accepting the authority established by Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. Where is the Bible verse that says you or your minister has been given the authority to interpret Scripture?
Catholics accept fully what Eph 2:8-9 says and what every other verse of the Bible says. It is Protestantism does not accept all Biblical verses such as James 2:24 "See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." If you understood the Bible correctly you would find no contradiction between Ephesians and James.
I have never seen one protestant converted by back and forth scripture quoting.
The ones ive seen converted have been from personal questions getting answered with prayer and personal research.
@@po18guy Yes , It's truly the work of the Holy Spirit. God's calls whom He wills , it's definitely not my great oratory skills.. 😆
I'm a pentecostal, I find you're videos interesting
Well spoken Keith!
As an English teacher, I tell students that it is called Language Arts because what changes each time a piece of lit is read is the reader. It is an art because no one sees it or reads it like you do. If we were not given a teaching authority to interpret the Word, the faith would have splintered 1500 years earlier. Besides what scripture did first century Christianity follow..not the Bible..it wasn't compiled until 200 or so.. the Teaching and tradition of the church.
Good point, Keith! 10:25
Sometimes, you just have to shake the dust off your feet and walk away like Jesus said.
Loving your 10 to 15 clips. Can't get enough of them.
Thank you Jesus and Praise be Jesus Christ
I grew up in Lima, Perú, were 75% of the Population is Catholic (not well Catechized Catholics thought… but we are majority over there) SO,
when another Cristians approached me over there, I just out of courtesy I always told them, thank you, received their paper or pamphlet, but when they wanted to read me something, I just smile and firmly say “thank you but no” and that was it.
I never ashamed nobody for believing different than me, however since I moved to the States (my spouse is American, we lived in Middle East for a while due to his job) SO now,
that we are here in America, I received some disrespectful comments of other people, when after they asked me (I even don’t bring the topic to the table, they are the ones that asks…) about me being Catholic…
I NEVER feel ashamed or embarrassed, BUT it just catch my attention, how in the World some people consider themselves good Christians, as long you believe exactly the same as them, and if you don’t, they can do harsh comments on you… and that of Christianity does not have anything.
So when I am approached about something “biblical” I am just chill out, smile and changed the topic. In matters of Faith, and in times like THIS (where the information is very available in comparison as before, and you can verify and get informed IF YOU REALLY WANT and are open to) nobody’s is going to changed their opinion if they are not open, and they just want to win an argument in front of people.
Unfortunately most people don’t care about the truth, they just care for being right, and that is the key of the problem.
Thank you Keith, as always for your knowledge and input 💪🏼🙏
Peru used to be 99% Catholic not that long ago. The Church must have taken the Faithful for granted because in the past few decades Protestant missionaries have made inroads in snatching Catholics into their different sects. Catholics simply must learn their faith better.
Keep going brother 💪💪
The Holy spirt need to come down on the Protestant who doesn't believe the true teaching of Jesus Christ. Praying for all Christians to come home.
Thank you Keith: I let the Devil in yesterday while getting upset over someones very nasty comment (to a Eucharistic picture) my post was one of "christ-like love"
- to love one another instead of mean/hurtful comments, I live by example and I am blessed with an amazing life and I do not judge other's beliefs, my own Children raised Catholic are not practicing but They Know LOVE!! I love the Magisterium because it could all be overwhelming, scripture Can be misinterpreted and twisted. Pick up the Cathecism and it is consistent and very old! Our Faith shows us to love one another as Jesus loves Us, we have differences but I personally love everything Catholism. OUR Blessed Mother, Saints, Communion, Adoration, Beautiful Basilicas. I think we celebrate God's love and I would Never Bash another whom is With Christ = Christianity ✝️ our differences should not divide us. The Light shines on in the Darkness John 1:5..
I cannot defend all our practices or why we dont have a Rapture etc, all I know is to Trust the Early Apostles, Disciples and Church Father's and even the "bad" in over 2000 years of Christianity. Peace Be with You! All of You 🙏
Love these “Gotcha” ones. Up here in northern in NJ we don’t get much gotcha question. But I have a friend from northern Fl and he wants me to always prove what I believe. I know I got under his skin when he stops talking. These have helped a lot! I know my history I just can’t give him Bible quotes. But even with that I usually come out ahead and I love that it drives him crazy. We have fun with it and who knows maybe someday I’ll get him to read the Catholic Bible and the catechism and get him on a path towards what right a true! Fingers crossed. In the meantime we have fun bickering…
Thanks for all you do on your channels!
James 2:24 is a verse fundamentalists refuse to accept 😬
Not sure what you mean by fundamentalists, but you need to study James 2:24 in context of all of James. He points to Abraham, if you study Abraham you will find your personal interpretation of James 2 is incorrect. Athanaesius wrote: “But our faith is right, and starts from the teaching of the Apostles and tradition of the fathers, being confirmed both by the New Testament and the Old...”
Philippians 2:12
2 Corinthians 5:10
Matthew 7:21
Romans 11:22
Romans 2:6-7
Romans 8:24-25
James 2:24
@@MundusTransit Try explaining your chosen verses in context.
@@timrosen1618 read Mathew 25… how does Jesus separate the goats from the sheep? Is it by what they believed or by what they did… gee I guess I need to study more 🤔🤔🤔
@@timrosen1618 yeah, Paul using Abraham as an example in the New Testament has zero relevance to salvation… seriously?!!! It’s clearly stating that works are required… you must live your faith - a verb, an action - that is the ONLY place faith alone is stated!!! And before you try to be a scholar, Luther inserted ‘alone’ and it’s not in the original Greek. God bless and I hope you scrape the scales from your eyes.
Protestants ignore that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes for making their own version of His One True Apostolic Catholic Church and Doctrine, like all 44,000 other Christian Churches have done. Mt23:1-39, Lk 11:37-54 They ignore that Jesus taught we’re to obey and pray for our Pope and Priests. Heb 13:7, 13:17-18 They ignore that Jesus taught we’re to remain in His Church, Doctrine, receiving His Sacraments and Teachings. Eph 4:4-6, Jn 10:16, 17:20-26, 2Jn:1-9, 2 Thess 3:6-16, Rom 16:17, Gal 1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:3-4, Jn 1:42, 21:15-17, Mt 16:18-19, 10:1-4, Mk3:14-19, Eph 2:19-22, 1 Cor 12:28, Acts 20:28, Lk 22:28-32, 1 Pet 2:6-9
Sacraments-Jn 3:5, Act 22:16, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Jn 20:21-23, Mt 18:17-18, Jn 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:21-22, Mt 19:4-6, Col 3:17-19, 2 Cor 5:20, 1:25-29, Lk 22:28-32, Jm 5:16, Lk 10:34 are a few pertinent verses.
@southernlady1109, The big problem is that the Catholic religion is a false doctrine. The great seducer and man-killer from the beginning has done his best to seduce millions of people and direct them on the broad road. It is the willfulness of man that so many allow themselves to be deceived by lucifer.
You mean the pape that blesses gay people ?
There are no sacerdotal priests in the New Testament because there is no sacerdotal priesthood in the New Testament. Your whole theory just fell apart.
@@JESUS_Saves3747Still trolling Catholic videos slandering God- you should try to learn about His One True Apostolic Catholic Church and Faith. You’ve been on RUclips since 2017, zero content, just slanderous comments about God. That will not bode well for you.
@@timrosen1618Jesus appointed His apostles leaders (first Pope and Priests)of His One True Apostolic Catholic Church in 33AD, before His Passion. They in turn made Priests from other righteous men. Titus 1:1-5, Heb 13:7, 17-18, Acts 15:6, 23, 1 Tm 4:14, 5:22, 1 Tm 5:17, Jas 5:13-15,
Mt 21:23, Acts 4:23, to name a few Instead of trolling Catholic videos to slander God, you could be learning about Him and His Church.
You just get in a debate that goes in a circle.
Thanks Keith God bless you more abundantly.
So well said. Love this one!! 👏🏻 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
God bless you, I respect you in your spirituality and faithfulness to your faithful acceptance to the Catholic Church.
You have also shown kindness and prayerful to our Church in current difficult situation in our current Church crisis situation.🙏🏻
Wonderful video Keith, you speak and make it easy to understand, as Catholics we never give up hope, that one day all Christians will journey home to the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church 🙏🦘🇦🇺
Mr.Keith Nestor,you are truly Blessed with the Holy Trinity with their Love,Truth,Good,Graces And Virtues.Tremendous Excellent video May the All Holy Sacred and All Powerful Trinity watch over you and Protect you Alleluia Alleluia Alleluia Amen 🙏 🐑🕊️✨🌈
Great video and message! ❤
Who started the Bible - the Church. Who started The Church -Jesus Christ. Thanks, Keith !!
God Bless You Brother Keith, your family, and your ministry. 😇🙏🏻
Thank you for All these Blessings, Bro. Keith! May Our Good Lord God Bless you more in The Guidance of the Holy Spirit 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I'm so glad that you're tackling their strategies directly. Yet, it seems like it wpuld take for us to become saintly because there are instances that the truth will simply not be accepted, so the only way to convince someone is to show them something very beautiful. That beautiful something can be raking them to a Mass, which can be difficult because the Mass in your area may not be of their liking or they may just say "NO." The other option will depend on our own effort, which would be to become as saintly, eloquent, and calm as we can through much specific prayers to grow in the necessary virtues to let the Holy Spirit speak through us.
Let's remember that when we're not in grace, our prayers aren't heard unless we ask to be humbled or something else that God may find helpful for sanctification. 😇😇😇😇😇 we're all called to be Saints 😃
Attending Mass, we always read paragraphs to paragraphs from the Old Testament and New Testament and we even stand up when it’s Jesus speaking while reading the Bible during the Gospel reading. And the priest even kisses the Bible, the Word of the Lord after reading the Bible. We raise the Bible when entering the Church and the Altar and before the reading for respect and showing respect for the Word. During the Readings or Liturgy of the Word we don’t only quote a phrase but we read long verses and we read from Old Testament and New Testament on Sundays to show how the Old Testament relates to the New Testament. Every day we have the Mass which means we listen to the Word of God every day. Then we have the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and can be done every day.
Wonderful video Keith.
Great video and explaination. Thank you for sharing this and showing that normally it's a battle of verses and personal interpretation.
Spot on Keith, that is so true. I attend a Bible study with both Protestants and Catholics and when we disagree on a particular teaching or belief, we end up throwing verses at one another and then say to the other,” this is how this needs to be interpreted “. I call it the “scriptural merry go round”.
I use to believe that the scriptures alone were the absolute authority. I was wrong, and I knew it. Sure, scripture is authoritative. It is the Word of God. That is why the bishops enthrone it during any ecumenical council. They know that the Bible must play a central role as they discuss a critical doctrinal issue. They also rely on the Tradition of the Church when deciding these issues. What has the Church always believed and taught in regards to this matter?
This is why the Church itself is so critical. We read the scriptures through the lens of the Church and its big T, not little t, traditions. And once we do that, then the scriptures come even more alive.
Well said. The Bible is interpreted via Tradition. That is true for both Protestants and Catholics, though the Protestants don't realize it. The only difference is Catholic tradition is backed by the authority established in the Church of Christ while Protestant traditions of Biblical interpretation are entirely man-made.
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The problem is who gets to decide what the traditional teaching has “always” been? If you actually study church history you will see there has always been conflicts between church fathers and contradictions within.
Well done Keith, Amazing how the Catechism prepared the Catholic Church doctrine to suit, THEN, TODAY AND THE FUTURE AND FOREVER TILL THE END OF TIME!
Hey Keith I doubt you’ll see this but I found this channel a couple m maths ago and just listened to it again while washing dishes, I love your vids because I’ve been Protestant forever and considering Catholicism as a 13 year old. I got debunked by a Protestant about Catholic curiousity and in hindsight I feel like his arguments weren’t strong and that I could maybe spend my youth studying it for myself and I’m considering getting involved in Catholicism so thank you for all your help and if your ever argued about with confession James 5:16 is a good one
Thank you for sharing.
May Jesus Bless you and may Mother Mary watch over you and your family.
The Holy Spirit is our guide and the scripture our compase
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 📖 *Catholics often face the question "Where is that in the Bible?" regarding their beliefs and practices.*
01:48 🤔 *Arguing with anti-Catholics using Bible verses often leads to futile debates due to differing interpretations and lack of authority acceptance.*
03:37 🛡️ *Catholics reject the notion of sola scriptura and emphasize the importance of sacred tradition alongside scripture.*
07:18 📜 *Catholic belief asserts that both sacred scripture and tradition are essential for understanding truth and are closely interconnected.*
09:20 💬 *Quoting 2 Timothy 3:16-17 ("all scripture is inspired...") doesn't prove that everything Catholics believe must be explicitly in the Bible, as the Bible itself doesn't specify its own contents.*
10:56 🙏 *Catholics affirm the importance of tradition alongside scripture, as taught by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 2:15.*
13:11 ⚔️ *Interpretations of verses like 1 Corinthians 4:6 and Revelation 22:18-19 used to argue against extra-biblical authority require contextual understanding.*
14:35 🚫 *Rejecting the premise of sola scriptura is key when responding to challenges about Catholic beliefs not explicitly in the Bible.*
This!
Definitely the points I've tried to raise, I've had a few question me on "where's that in the bible" after giving the scripture they say "that's not what it means" so I say "what gives you the authority to interpret it that way" they'll claim "the Holy spirit" so I have to point out the error that the conclusion they've arrived at directly contradicts the chapter and I then point them to Peter's epistle where he says that the unlearned twist scripture to thier own destruction.
Most often I don't get a reply back after that, the times I do they always question well what authority do you have " I say "I don't but through Apostolic succession the Pope's, bishops etc through the magisterium of the church have authority to interpret scripture" they then say "where's that in the bible?" So I point them to Isiah 22 where the former leadership will be thrown out and a new leadership will be appointed with authority to teach doctrines, which in turn relates to Jesus handing the keys to Peter and whilst Jesus said to the apostles that when the Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses do what they tell you to do but don't do what they do for they are hypocrites, after the death and resurrection of Christ was the apostolic succession given at Pentecost when the holy spirit descended upon them as in acts we see Peter rebuking the Pharisees saying and I paraphrase "Christ is the cornerstone you rejected and it is by this we have authority" Jews knew exactly what was happening and they knew the significance of the cornerstone being the authority to teach doctrines (Dr Brant Pitre has done a phenomenal talk on the Jewish roots of the papacy 😅)
Of course after all this protestants go "that's not what that means" 🤦 it's like if Jews understood it the way Catholics interpret it and it was actually how God set up the role of the High priest's to instruct people in the faith guess what you're theology just may be incorrect and Catholics have had it right all along.
I just had this same conversation with my wife yesterday. I’m in a facebook group called Men Who Follow Christ, which I found out is basically a Catholic bashing group. Every conversation on there just turns into how Catholic beliefs are wrong, not biblical, etc. many just telling complete lies about what we believe. She thinks I should just leave the group but I like to add a little truth to the conversation s here and there. I know I’m not going to convince anyone but hopefully I’m planting some seeds that will eventually lead to the truth.
Check out Paradisius Dei. Good fellowship for Catholic men.
Because we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities then if you really want to help anyone in that fb group make sure when you offer up meat on Fridays or other sufferings in your life that you do it for the individuals in that group. This is the most effective way we as Catholics have to remove the obstacles people have to hearing Jesus' message.
As a former Protestant, I approve of everything my man just said. Lol.😊
Thank you, I hear you.
Nice video Keith, for the past few years my head has been spinning between Orthodox, Protestant, Roman Catholic, or if it matters
Excellent video, God, tradition and scripture. Thank You.!
Love you Keith for wisdom of catholic tradition ❤ ♥ 💕 🙌 😘
I never argue with protestants on what the bible means. I only ask them where the bible came from and why I should believe in it. I got the idea to focus on that from your conversion story!
I would love to try this, if ever I get into an argument with a non Catholic, about any subject: I d love us both to keep a holy hour and meditate in silence on the disagreement bringing it before God. Then, afteran hour I would like us both to echo what came up for us as we try to listen to God's answer on this. I am yet to experience such a praying together- instead my non Catholic friends avoid any confrontation, in an effort to respect me. But oh, I d love for the Holy Spirit to intervene by sirting us together in prayer.
Great job Keith, thank you! There's also a great little book called , " The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith " . It has helped me tremendously. Although I enjoy your thorough explanations much more. I also follow you in the Rosary Crew and it has been instrumental in starting and continuing praying a daily Rosary. May God Bless you 🙏 ❤
Very solid information!! Thanks!!!
Love this excellent be ready to give a defense for the hope that is in you
Haha, I guess we all have the same experiences very well described by you Keith. Yes, it is frustrating!, apparently they all just repeat the same things with out thinking what they're really saying!
I have said for a long time that debating the Bible to non Catholics is most of the time pointless. It requires divine intervention for them to change. What non Catholics should be confronted with, is the BIBLICAL sized miracles, after the time of CHRIST that happen only in the Catholic Church. Protestants, Jews, Baptist, Muslims…have got absolutely nothing to point too after the time of CHRIST!!
Wondeful Keith ! thanks you
Man how i wish you have more subscribers, i just knew you yesterday I'm following. Godbless you Keith
Thank you very much!
So rightly put in this video....
Between rc n Christianity...it boils down to ONLY ONE THING!... The question on AUTHORITY... In other words...the question of LORDSHIP !
WHO IS LORD in RC??? !!!
WHO IS LORD in Christianity??? !!!
Different Lords...that's how this video has got its axe to grind till eternity WITHOUT ANY SOLUTION / END TO THESE DEBATES!
It has to start n end with WHOM DOES ONE TAKE AS n WILLING TO BELIEVE N OBEY as LORD???!!! ❤️❤️❤️
The DIVIDING / DISTINGUISHING LINE between RC n Christianity is AUTHORITY / LORDSHIP....which is EITHER...
... d rc-papacy with its added religious ramifications of faith CHARACTERISTIC OF RC alone...
...OR....
...The Holy Spirit who lives in every genuine BORN AGAIN BELIEVER IN CHRIST as promised by God Himself to be TRUE!
Upon this rock I will build my Church. Jesus.
Protestants Single A, Baptist AA, Orthodox AAA . Catholicism MAJOR LEAGUES
Hi Keith, I'm a retired Free Methodist minister, and as you might expect, I have a few comments - though they will likely not be what you expect...
First, as a Wesleyan, I hold that Scripture has the highest authority - but I also hold that both Tradition and reason, subject to Scripture, are also authoritative. You might say that in this regard we are close to our Orthodox brothers and sisters. I often taught that if someone comes up with an interpretation of Scripture that no one has even come up with before, reject it. This is why I reject the "pre-tribulation rapture". It is not only bad Biblical interpretation, it is unreasonable to think that someone would not have seen it in the Word long ago.
Second, there IS a core of doctrine, taught in God's Word, which we all agree upon. The inspiration of Scripture, the Deity of Christ, His Sacrificial death upon the Cross, His Resurrection and His sure return. That's a core we ALL hold, Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox. Therefore, I trust that you are my brother in Christ, that you are trusting in Him for your salvation.
Third, I am not a fan of "gotcha questions" by anyone. The case you make, the case I make - anyone's case, stands or falls as a whole....
Fourth, you indeed have identified the very real central question: Is the ultimate authority the Church or the Scriptures? It really cannot be both equally - because if it is the Scriptures, then the Church can be criticized from them. If it is the church, than any interpretation - no matter how unreasonable - can be affirmed. I thank God that in practice, the Catholic Church does not stray too far away from the Scriptures.... but I have to wonder what Catholics would do if a Pope affirmed gay marriage in violation of both the Scriptures and Church tradition. (I pray this never happens!)
In this video you used one argument that simply doesn't hold up: That because the Church affirmed the books of the NT, it therefore must have authority equal to it. This simply is not the case.
First, a strong consensus existed at least 100 years before this happened in 382AD. In fact, almost immediately after the close of the NT era, the Church fathers began quoting books that the church knew to be authoritative. When I teach on the reliability of Scripture, I trace these quotes from the 1st century to the 4th and early 5th century. These quotations provide a witness to the Canon - or put another way, the church officials did not sit down and develop an official canon from scratch. In fact Eusebius lists the same 27 books as either universally accepted (22 books) or widely accepted (5 books) - these 27 books are the same books in our NT today - and he did this in 330AD. The fact that no action was taken by the church for 70 years after the end of persecution also indicates that there was little disagreement.
Now to the error in your reasoning: Just because I - or the church - witness something, that does not convey to the witness equal authority. If I witness your will, I am saying that it is authentic - but that does not give me authority to change it, that belongs only to you. If a police officer takes a dying declaration from a witness, that doesn't mean that they can do any more than convey what they said. In the same way, if the church - having strong and reliable oral and written traditions as to what books were written by Apostles (or under their authority) - provides witness to that fact, that simply does not require that the Church have equal authority. I think there are likely much better arguments for the authority of the church than this one.
Another point: In the Catholic Church there are theological liberal, conservatives, evangelicals (yes, people I would consider fellow evangelicals) - a wide variety of positions. Ditto for the evangelical world. However, pointing out that there are differences in either camp is unconvincing.
My primary interest nowadays is apologetics - not evangelical apologetics, but CHRISTIAN apologetics. Like CS Lewis said in Mere Christianity: I do not care if someone becomes Protestant, Catholic or Orthodox - I care that they come to faith in Christ!
May the Grace and Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon you!
Thanks again for your insights as to what it means to be Catholic.
The enemy is beating the heck out of the Church, and here we all are, arguing about little things.
Great video Keith!!!!!
Hello everyone aren't we blessed because we can follow the church and the Holy spirit in all things.Makes life simple if we follow 😊😊😊