Shanmugam, Leong Mun Wai's Parliament debate on whether Lee Hsien Yang and wife have 'absconded'

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
  • Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam and NCMP Leong Mun Wai of the Progress Singapore Party had a heated exchange in Parliament on Wednesday (Mar 22) about whether Lee Hsien Yang and his wife Lee Suet Fern had "absconded" from Singapore while they were being investigated for lying in court over the will of Singapore's founding prime minister Lee Kuan Yew.
    Mr Shanmugam also raised questions about Mr Leong's conduct in Parliament and how he repeatedly breached parliamentary procedures in the course of the debate. Read more: cna.asia/3Z5zSVR
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Комментарии • 647

  • @dtanx8978
    @dtanx8978 Год назад +100

    3 Siblings fights over their Father's inheritance
    Having the parliament's involvement to debate on handling the property inheritance
    Having the high court involved on investigations on varies parties
    Making this public, airing as world news
    To be honest, this is very ugly. Im sure we can do better.

    • @kengleetan63
      @kengleetan63 Год назад

      Yah...never knew execution of PRIVATE WILLS COULD END UP IN PARLIAMENT!
      MUST BE WORLD'S FIRST!😆😆😆😆😆

    • @yingyang2405
      @yingyang2405 Год назад

      DAMN STUPID, rite?

    • @MrBunnylow
      @MrBunnylow Год назад +6

      what a joke. the old man himself ... stated on tv ... its a dying man wish ... and it cannot be fulfilled ... saddest joke of all time

    • @kengleetan63
      @kengleetan63 Год назад

      @@MrBunnylow ...everything would be set to rest once and for all...if old man can jump up from his grave...as he had promised ,if he felt 'something' was not right and said....
      "How dare you ppl meddle with my last wishes and a bunch of clowns like you ppl running the country daring to use the system to your advantage, as I did....😆😆😆...now do as my last Will says....and now all of you get back to work and do jobs that you are paid millions for!!"😆😆😆

    • @LonganLee
      @LonganLee Год назад +3

      Well, democracy depends on the majority. So whats your issue? Does the majority find it an issue?

  • @mic5391
    @mic5391 Год назад +150

    Yes, bring the case to court! Please keep parliament out of the family mess!

    • @yingyang2405
      @yingyang2405 Год назад +20

      Ya lah, stop abusing power and using public funds for personal reasons. SGs are not stupid.

    • @tingguoyu4671
      @tingguoyu4671 Год назад

      Yeah agree, shanmugam should send LMW to court and let court handle him.. Bloody stupid uncle

    • @westwoodly
      @westwoodly Год назад

      The PM did explain in great detail why it was brought up in Parliament. It's useful because there was full coverage and people can understand or weigh the action taken. Personal issues of MPs are handled by the relevant authorities, and they do have an impact on the MP who are elected by the people. We have seen a few MPs resigning because of personal issues. Not sure whether the NCMP concerned will be ejected or forced to step down. He was afterall automatically installed by the NCMP law, though he did not win the election.

    • @westwoodly
      @westwoodly Год назад

      The PM did explain in great detail why it was brought up in Parliament. It's useful because there was full coverage and people can understand or weigh the action taken. Personal issues of MPs are handled by the relevant authorities, and they do have an impact on the MP who are elected by the people. We have seen a few MPs resigning because of personal issues. Not sure whether the NCMP concerned will be ejected or forced to step down. He was afterall automatically installed by the NCMP law, though he did not win the election.

    • @yingyang2405
      @yingyang2405 Год назад

      Who instituted the NCMP law? How was it instituted?

  • @looyeekhang7658
    @looyeekhang7658 Год назад +73

    Why Lee's family matter was brought up for Parliament debate? We believe LKY will not want to see such thing happened......sad..

    • @tankman20064
      @tankman20064 Год назад +2

      2015 till 2023. Still talking

    • @looyeekhang7658
      @looyeekhang7658 Год назад +7

      @@tankman20064 That's really a poor and sadness things to Our Founder Lee. He will never never expected now his son and daughter-in-law to hide themselves as fugitives.

    • @lemuelashrithstgss1059
      @lemuelashrithstgss1059 Год назад +1

      Hopefully things turn out to be okay. I really hope this ends...

    • @kengleetan63
      @kengleetan63 Год назад

      I believe your statement was raised a thousand times....without any answer!!😆😆😆😆

    • @jsohyp
      @jsohyp Год назад +4

      the pap is declining

  • @bobafett5757
    @bobafett5757 Год назад +22

    *Am still wondering why absconded when not in the wrong and how this absconding process happened ?*

    • @tonykiang9052
      @tonykiang9052 Год назад

      LHY earlier days claimed "state organs" used against him..

    • @bobafett5757
      @bobafett5757 Год назад +1

      @@tonykiang9052 What about state transplants ?

    • @markusong6022
      @markusong6022 Месяц назад

      10:01 10:03 10:10

  • @Riiza311
    @Riiza311 Год назад +10

    At this point they might as well call in Judge Judy to parliament. 😒

  • @MegaTonyng
    @MegaTonyng Год назад +9

    A sad & disgraceful episode for Lee Kuan Yew & family. What has become of our country😢

  • @bobafett5757
    @bobafett5757 Год назад +76

    *LMY is spot on right about public perception between KOM and LHY case and his definition is relevant*

    • @looyeekhang7658
      @looyeekhang7658 Год назад +10

      Yes he got his point

    • @flowertowerrr
      @flowertowerrr Год назад

      Yeah LMY is a populist.

    • @gerardyu940
      @gerardyu940 Год назад +8

      thats an extremely weak argument... so the decision to release the names or not should be based on public perception, but not whether they were in fact charged for an offence? we should leave it to the court of public opinion to decide?

    • @gohwk85
      @gohwk85 Год назад

      Hahahaha

    • @primusreborn
      @primusreborn Год назад +3

      @@AutonomousSecretRoom60 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • @toixcchicken4019
    @toixcchicken4019 Год назад +21

    The acting, and the dialogue.......so much better than Channel 5 drama stuff

  • @anglo-saxonconnor817
    @anglo-saxonconnor817 Год назад +51

    Don't need to create so much drama. The plot is simple. Oppositions welcome the return of LHY to help them in their campaign while PAP don't want the return of LHY into Singapore so they want to put some legal complication status on LHY and his wife. General election is starting to near again you see.

    • @LennethSim
      @LennethSim Год назад

      He will have to answer the allegations before he can hope to run for the presidency.

    • @tingguoyu4671
      @tingguoyu4671 Год назад

      Not right at all. LHY won't pose any threat to PAP. PSP certainly applaud the feud between the lees, seeing it a big pawn to have LHY as member. PAP has built a high talent wall for any capable opposition in the present and near future to break. There is no point to corner LHY or create political motives when 1st, no threat even if he is running for president, 2nd it is something LHL if have a choice would avoid dealing publicly, 3rd if LHY ordeal is not dealt with, there is no integrity in this govt.

    • @jegak1009
      @jegak1009 Год назад

      I wonder how PAP will handle this if Shanmugam suddenly drops dead 🤔

  • @alantew4355
    @alantew4355 Год назад +21

    LMW's "muddy the waters" means in relation to the comparison between the KOM case and the LHY case. He did not accuse Shanmugam of trying to confuse parliament. LMW was just questioning why LHY was named but not those in the KOM case, and so bringing in another case, Karl Liew's case, would muddy the waters, would confuse the comparison between just the 2 cases. Basically, he did not say Karl Liew's case is irrelevant (for a discussion in a broader context), but it may be irrelevant to the comparison when you just want to compare the 2 cases specifically. So whether it is relevant, it depends on whether you are trying to discuss at a broader context or whether you just want to focus on comparing the 2 cases.

    • @malita354
      @malita354 Год назад

      At the end of the day, the mentality of us Majority is what that matters only😅

  • @deschan2246
    @deschan2246 Год назад +10

    Wasting country resources !!! Wayang !!!

    • @magnusthor6259
      @magnusthor6259 Год назад +3

      YOu sure you are a Singaporean? Crocodile tears!

  • @flaminredwoods
    @flaminredwoods 6 месяцев назад

    Regardless of the purported commotion, there is no reason whatsoever of a alleged "offence"
    Not offended, no apologies required seriously.
    Services of speeches redundant throughout deliveries is a priceless presentation.
    Thank you for sharing about.

  • @jegak1009
    @jegak1009 Год назад +21

    There's a Indian saying, "Whatever the parents do to others, good or bad, will come upon their children's heads".
    LKY family is a very good example.

    • @franciscody9622
      @franciscody9622 Год назад +3

      A k.a. karma. Right?

    • @jslam1232
      @jslam1232 Год назад +5

      Yes what he did to JB Jeyaretnam is now happening to his own child.

    • @luvhonest463
      @luvhonest463 Год назад +4

      ​@@jslam1232not only to Jeyaratnam, those being labelled communists or Maoists, many are now in Cambodia and cannot return to Singapore. Bad deeds performed by dad now being copied by unfilial son to his own brother and nephew. very disgraceful to his parents. 😢

    • @luvhonest463
      @luvhonest463 Год назад +1

      @@franciscody9622 karma exists regardless of one's own race, language or religion.

    • @vincecarlo
      @vincecarlo Год назад +5

      @@franciscody9622
      OLD Man Said Tear the house down n keep the Family.
      MOST EXPENSIVE PM On The Planet Kept The House n TORE the Family APART.
      PM FIGHTING with Siblings All the Way to Parliament.
      DISGRACEFUL
      ZERO Respect for Such ppl

  • @mihmih2129
    @mihmih2129 Год назад +21

    Thank you for showing this family drama.. it is really quite entertaining:). can't wait for the next episode

  • @sebsurvey9090
    @sebsurvey9090 Год назад +27

    Instead of bringing up matters that are relevant to people's lives, they chose to waste time on fanning their egos.

    • @MyNameAxE
      @MyNameAxE Год назад +1

      Leong Mun Wai agreed that issue on 38 Oxley road is a matter of public interests

  • @unsulliedthe832
    @unsulliedthe832 Год назад +29

    Parliament is to discuss issues not to split hair over semantics! I do not doubt Leong Mun Wai's intention to contribute meaningfully to Singapore. Unfortunately, lawyers are trained to latch on every little nuance of language to overwhelm their opponents. Many MPs not trained in law are certainly put at a disadvantage when pitted against the skills of professional arguers. We should fashion our Parliament in a way that trained lawyers do not suppress meaningful discussions with their polemics. It helps if the Speaker can be a little more sympathetic towards non-lawyers to level the field. I do not like to see Shanmugam resorting to cross-examination in Parliament as if it's his usual day in court.

    • @martinjohn8828
      @martinjohn8828 Год назад +2

      Then Speaker Tan Chuan Jin is out. Perhaps the next Speaker will be more sympathetic? One can live in hope.

    • @josephpereira2996
      @josephpereira2996 Год назад

      😊

    • @yeoboonleng
      @yeoboonleng 9 месяцев назад

      K​@@josephpereira2996

  • @joetangkamweng1635
    @joetangkamweng1635 Год назад +2

    Recent development is this learnt minister rented a bungalow. Love to see this issue debated in Parliament 👏👏👏👍

  • @neymarzd9706
    @neymarzd9706 Год назад +41

    Leong Mun Wai is so determined , definitely have the likes of the good old Joshua Benjamin Jeyaretnam.

    • @tingguoyu4671
      @tingguoyu4671 Год назад +13

      Lol JBJ is far more intelligent than this uncle lmao

    • @Beng-Jun
      @Beng-Jun Год назад

      @@tingguoyu4671 better than the pathetic pap ib trolls

    • @saintclare2186
      @saintclare2186 Год назад +3

      They speak up for us. Bless them.

    • @peterchew4018
      @peterchew4018 Год назад

      Pretty sure 39% are praying for L

    • @neymarzd9706
      @neymarzd9706 Год назад

      @@tingguoyu4671 well I mean in terms of that determination and grit.

  • @mrtienphysics666
    @mrtienphysics666 Год назад +11

    What would Lee Kuan Yew think if he were seeing all these here?

    • @tankman20064
      @tankman20064 Год назад +2

      Return from the grave

    • @sjv9147s
      @sjv9147s Год назад +1

      It's really a part of LKY's legacy since his son, the PM of Singapore and DIL head of Singapore's SWF.

    • @badboi888
      @badboi888 Год назад

      @@anglo-saxonconnor817 Need to print screen this and send to SPF for verification

  • @twong6531
    @twong6531 Год назад +14

    Really sad for LKY, family squabbles should not be matters for politics. The handling of the Keppel saga has disappointed a lot of people

    • @tingguoyu4671
      @tingguoyu4671 Год назад +1

      LHY is such a big disappointment 😒

  • @richardtan8688
    @richardtan8688 Год назад +16

    Did LHY say "I am made a fugitive by my own country" or did he say "I am a fugitive from my own country"?

    • @flash9199
      @flash9199 Год назад +1

      True maybe the definition of "made" needs to be clearly defined....

    • @jarrenloke2120
      @jarrenloke2120 Год назад

      Are you trying to polish LHY just because he is rich or because his father is LKY? Does it mean rich and Lee is above the law? PSP, why waste so much time trying to take care of multil millionaire like LHY while the real people in Singapore are neglected?

    • @anyohoww
      @anyohoww Год назад

      @@jarrenloke2120 Nope.. Nothing to do with rich or poor... their logic is that LHY is against PAP, so an enemy of the enemy is a friend. I get that some people don't like how the PAP rules and wants to support the opposition.. But please lah... at least have some standards... people like LMW... people like Lin Tean?? Seriously guys????

    • @jarrenloke2120
      @jarrenloke2120 Год назад

      @@anyohoww put a monkey to contest in election, sillyporeans will vote too. Perhaps its fashionable and trendy to support opposition at all cost

  • @henryneoch7366
    @henryneoch7366 Год назад +1

    How abt add ur own matter - Mr 26.
    Dun lie & be a hypocrite & pretend sending CONDOLONCE to him on the mother demise.
    Jus like TAN CJ when kenna caught abt his fun & affairs with someone’s daughter when he’s a married man- one day his own daughter ( if he has 1 or maybe 2 or maybe 3) in his letter of resignation said caused stress lah, embarrassment lah etc, etc

  • @AK8901
    @AK8901 Год назад +18

    "for all we know" and "everyone knows" are classic gaslighting terms haha

    • @tonykiang9052
      @tonykiang9052 Год назад

      We will all know what we shud know, know or not?

  • @MrBoliao98
    @MrBoliao98 Год назад +11

    报应,so many people went to prison or face criminal charges to the point of exile, now also like this.

  • @AK8901
    @AK8901 Год назад +18

    When pressed on the KOM case, he makes it a point of whether the names should have been released AFTER the case has been tried in court. When LMW clarifies that the principle is on whether the names should have been released BEFORE trial, he quickly says "so now we put aside KOM", and moves on from it. The 'debate' then ends quickly after that.

    • @xinyi1984
      @xinyi1984 Год назад

      However, this is not about KOM. Shanmugam was saying that liyani case is similar to LHY case where it’s disclose PRIOR to trial. LHY is the main subject here.
      If there are question about KOM, a separate question should be filed. Based on KOM paying a fine and case is closed with one person pleading guilty . It seems aligned. Otherwise it open up a flood gate whether every case should be disclose.

  • @florenceyamada4303
    @florenceyamada4303 Год назад +10

    This kind of debate like interrogation! Makes one want to vote for opposition more.

    • @jarrenloke2120
      @jarrenloke2120 Год назад

      You should thank PAP for stilling order in parliament instead of making Singapore politics into falsehood and misinformation conferences to defend fugitive like LHY just because he throw money at PSP

    • @venus4655
      @venus4655 Год назад +5

      Not a debate, more like bullying.

  • @davidarchangels6500
    @davidarchangels6500 Год назад

    What a debate..super wily, super eloquent, super exchange…

  • @eddisontan8104
    @eddisontan8104 Год назад +5

    Such stressful meeting..😮

  • @Drone_PilotSG
    @Drone_PilotSG Год назад +2

    Google : This honorable sun of Singapore….

  • @tgh73
    @tgh73 Год назад +27

    The speaker is horrible.... Its so obvious who he sides with... LMW concerns are valid....

    • @jarrenloke2120
      @jarrenloke2120 Год назад +1

      If you need to sit there the whole day listening to this bullshit, I am sure you will do the same. LMW concern is to polish master LHY. he is acting like eunuchs to emperor LHY

    • @jameslim3850
      @jameslim3850 Год назад

      It will be best for Mr. Leong contest against Shanmugam at Nee Soon GRC at next GE, then it will be a fair fight. in parliament , he will just be arrogant and bully the oppo.

    • @jarrenloke2120
      @jarrenloke2120 Год назад +2

      @jameslim3850 Leong is not suited for this job. not sure why psp is putting him there

    • @gerardyu940
      @gerardyu940 Год назад +2

      his concerns are not valid. as he himself has admitted towards the end that the names of the KOM case should not be released

    • @Andrew-tt8rp
      @Andrew-tt8rp Год назад +1

      On the contrary, I think the speaker was really being too kind already, Mr Leong seriously kept disrupting the flow and repeating what had just been discussed. And the craziest thing is what he said near the end, I can't believe that sort of word can come out in a parliamentary debate.

  • @anglo-saxonconnor817
    @anglo-saxonconnor817 Год назад +24

    ❤️The issue of the will lie mostly quiet.Only when election is starting to come and they are planning to made preparations for it then they will air this feud out to stop LHY from running for president and to stop the oppositions from combining forces with him. If that happen pap will be very scare. They don't really fear Singaporeans being clever to see through everything or stupid to the point where they can understand nothing at all. They just fear people with enough power to take them down and end the era of pap in Singapore.

    • @sjv9147s
      @sjv9147s Год назад +2

      Or the powers of the office of the Elected Presidency to operate its constitutionally derived overseeing role in respect of the country's national reserves.

    • @jegak1009
      @jegak1009 Год назад

      Very well said 👏👏👏👏👏🙏

  • @winwinwin282828
    @winwinwin282828 Год назад +35

    Shanemugun can explain himself when giving an answer but the other just need to say yes or no. 😅

    • @akhbarkhanmohamad6705
      @akhbarkhanmohamad6705 Год назад +1

      Exactly

    • @城邦寡人
      @城邦寡人 Год назад +4

      @@akhbarkhanmohamad6705 But when given a chance to explain, Lmw can only say ' there you go again ' and run back to fb to write nonsense. Did Shan do that?

    • @chuak.c7349
      @chuak.c7349 Год назад +3

      Referee kelong.

    • @collintan73
      @collintan73 Год назад +1

      ​@@城邦寡人because Shan not answering directly to the question and is interrupting LMW talking so was the Speaker

    • @kwangang960
      @kwangang960 Год назад +1

      This is our so called democracy.

  • @annoyingpengui
    @annoyingpengui Год назад +1

    waitwaitwait.... why isMinister K Shanmugam is wearing two watches?

  • @derektan6561
    @derektan6561 7 месяцев назад

    really have to give this lmw a national day award. he has the ability to piss everyone off in the parliament. well done.

  • @denisechan5992
    @denisechan5992 Год назад +12

    It seems that a point of time in the debate there was an offer that Shanmugan is threatening that he will ask to Parliament to take action if LMW insists on what he said. It is good that he stand firm.
    Like the parting shot, I apologise to the Speaker, it drawn the attention that the speaker is not impartial.
    Leong Mun Wai has improved in the debate, less stammering more confident......

    • @magnusthor6259
      @magnusthor6259 Год назад +1

      More to come, this is not the end as you presupposed

    • @tingguoyu4671
      @tingguoyu4671 Год назад +2

      Yes, LMW is making a fool of himself and further confirm voting PSP is LOLOLOL

    • @bertchooky
      @bertchooky Год назад

      Mr Leong is turning our parliament into a circus for the world to enjoy, just like our neighbour country...

    • @eee2399
      @eee2399 Год назад +2

      Agree LMW has improved in the debate.

    • @magnusthor6259
      @magnusthor6259 Год назад +1

      @@eee2399 Yup, skin has become thicker , kenna whacked right and left in Parliament, got to apologise to Tan CJ in Parliament, then got to apologise to Shanmugan, retracted statements and assertions and deleted his offensive sentences in his FB post. In humility, he was subdued, having been "stripped to his underwear". Luckily still got a bit of clothing to hide his utter disgrace and humiliation.

  • @FrozenCappucino
    @FrozenCappucino Год назад +1

    Must've missed the part where indranee told Mr Speaker to conduct himself in a parliamentary manner when he swore under his breath at what A/P Jamus Lim said in parliament

  • @bowlampar
    @bowlampar Год назад +1

    Every government official family member's unsolved issue should be directed to the family court, not putting it through a lengthy parliamentary debate wasting MP expensive'time and resources'. Augst House is a place to debate n discuss 'national' issues, not solving private 'family' problem.

  • @kelvinth30
    @kelvinth30 Месяц назад +1

    where is Tan chuan jin now ?

  • @K1dd0
    @K1dd0 Год назад +7

    yes, he's right that's not a court.

  • @tangt4860
    @tangt4860 Год назад +4

    And the PAP ministers are not answering the questions at all. Why are they paid to be bullies in parliament? The questions are valid and in the interest of Singaporeans - stop being a disgrace to your parents and family and descendents - give a clear straightforward answer and stop playing games like reverse questioning and word twisting.

    • @chuak.c7349
      @chuak.c7349 Год назад

      Because singaporeans elect them to be gov. So they can do whaat they want to?

  • @amirullah81
    @amirullah81 Год назад +3

    Respect 💯 LMW...

    • @henryneoch7366
      @henryneoch7366 Год назад

      What ?? You respect someone who’s also known as ‘Mr Apology’😂😂😂

  • @chuak.c7349
    @chuak.c7349 Год назад +3

    Try to treaten the opposition?

  • @rajlingam7441
    @rajlingam7441 Год назад +3

    There is a lot more important things to debate about.Why talk about this?

  • @AbdulMajid-bc6xf
    @AbdulMajid-bc6xf Год назад +4

    Double standard is practice here so our court of law is also run by fools.

  • @tayyabkhan2228
    @tayyabkhan2228 Год назад +5

    all this debate over a fb post! feels like three guys interrogating mr leong! k shanmugan interrupted the opponent at times and the speaker allows it! omg!

  • @rastamanrasta1313
    @rastamanrasta1313 Год назад +28

    The minister treats parliament like a court house. Full of intimidation with snakey answers. The last relic of LKY (this is the same way that LKY treated his political opponents in the august house)

    • @magnusthor6259
      @magnusthor6259 Год назад +2

      Mr Leong should see the danger coming. If he just talk rots in Parliament, he is protected. But he went outside Parliament and starts making statements in his Facebook that Mr Shanmugam deems offensive. He should just have apologised and move on. Now I can feel a Tsunami coming.

    • @Ghost_594
      @Ghost_594 Год назад +1

      So u want to let jokers like LMW run amock in the parliament?

    • @rastamanrasta1313
      @rastamanrasta1313 Год назад +6

      @@Ghost_594 You are joke indeed ! The point I am trying to express is the conduct of the Minister. In all his debates with opposition legislators, he treats the august house like a court of law. Always intimidating Trying his best to corner the opposition members in a legalistic manner. And today, he became a dictionary expert !
      if only you had an unbiased speaker, the minister would have been destroyed and reduced to a joker.

    • @jj96432
      @jj96432 Год назад

      Well, this is how the adult world works. No one is gonna tell you they hate you directly, you should have the EQ to know how to navigate the situation

    • @Ghost_594
      @Ghost_594 Год назад

      @@rastamanrasta1313 LMW should read up on his facts before talking cock in parliament and wasting everyone time and when speaker ask him to elaborate he essentially told him to shut up. 'if the minister never ask me then I suggest you don't ask me also' It is through this 'legalistic manner' that ensures that the facts are assertained. and whats wrong with being a 'dictionary expert' LMW interpretation of a word is not necessarily correct. Its about the logic of the people in government and parliament not the party they are from.

  • @navaratnamselvaduray2179
    @navaratnamselvaduray2179 Год назад +8

    A politician wld love to score a big point by playing this name branding game.
    Shanmugam shld never call anyone a fugitive or absconded as a MP in d Parliament. It is d Judge of a court to throw such branding weather someone is a Fugitive or has Absconded.
    Furthermore d court of law is d only right forum to exercise d procedures until every avenue is exhausted to declare someone has Absconded n deemed a Fugutive henceforth.
    Mr Leong do hv a point which clearly indicates that d Minister has jumped d gun.
    Wassallam

    • @gerardyu940
      @gerardyu940 Год назад

      LHY said himself he is a fugitive. If thats not part of the meaning of absconded, then what is?

    • @navaratnamselvaduray2179
      @navaratnamselvaduray2179 Год назад +3

      @@gerardyu940~ LHY said that he was made a fugitive by his own country, if I heard Shanmugam well. I stand to be corrected.
      Wassallam

    • @navaratnamselvaduray2179
      @navaratnamselvaduray2179 Год назад +2

      @@gerardyu940~ A fugitive must be declared by d courts n not by any politicians. That is d law.
      Wassallam

    • @gerardyu940
      @gerardyu940 Год назад

      @@navaratnamselvaduray2179 so LHY was wrong to declare that he was a fugitive?

    • @navaratnamselvaduray2179
      @navaratnamselvaduray2179 Год назад +1

      @@gerardyu940~ Parliament is a place for people's sentiments. Not a court of law. Laws r made in d Parliament Hse based on sentiments.
      It's between d Need n d Want.. N it's impossible to differentiate both as both r d needs wanted by a society.
      Wassallam

  • @yingyang2405
    @yingyang2405 Год назад +4

    Ya lah, why are Tan Chuan Jin & Shanmugam so impatient with LMW? Why can't he be allowed to speak his mind?

    • @oyu7505
      @oyu7505 Год назад +1

      LMW is wasting parliament time

    • @yingyang2405
      @yingyang2405 Год назад +1

      So have Shanmugam n Tan Chuan Jin. LHL is the biggest wastrel of parliament time. Have money yet refuse to spend legal fees. Leech

    • @september9646
      @september9646 Год назад +3

      ​@o yu Yes, I agree with you, who is the busybody who dragged the family issues into the parliamentary agenda.

  • @tanst7859
    @tanst7859 Год назад +4

    Actually I agree with the government … all these parliamentary time on a ridiculous subject! What a waste of time !

  • @edwardtan4646
    @edwardtan4646 Год назад +2

    From an observer point of view. I think S is arrogant and don't interrupt LMW reply, let him finish his speech. Speaker should be impartial.

  • @richardlu4195
    @richardlu4195 Год назад +2

    This is clearly a matter between the Lees and does not involve the Office of the Prime Minister. Clearly the Government’s involvement has complicated this family issue and muddied the situation.
    Singaporeans are sick and fed-up of watching this matter discussed in Parliament and the overbearing conduct of the Law Minister and the Leader of the House.

  • @lingjw
    @lingjw Год назад +2

    The ensuing shock and "wow" after 54:03 is the highlight of the day

    • @MosesGTC
      @MosesGTC Год назад +1

      The way the leader of the house just flip her book immediately and want to react haha

    • @derekyong8878
      @derekyong8878 9 месяцев назад

      You call that exciting? You should watch our (Malaysia's) parliamentary proceedings. 😂😂😂

  • @navaratnamselvaduray2179
    @navaratnamselvaduray2179 Год назад +7

    Mr Shanmugam is treating d Parliament as a court of law..
    Wassallam

    • @magnusthor6259
      @magnusthor6259 Год назад

      Either Commission of Inquiry coming or court case coming

    • @gerardyu940
      @gerardyu940 Год назад +1

      it is the place where laws are to be debated no?

    • @navaratnamselvaduray2179
      @navaratnamselvaduray2179 Год назад +1

      @@gerardyu940~ politics n law r two different subjects. Do u become a law graduate aft obtaining a Political Science degree pls.
      Laws discreminating some segment of a society is passed in d legislative arena..do u feel it is fair? Only d politicians who can see through d loop to address d unjust done through legislative actions.
      That does not mean that all politicians r honest n nor r d judges as well.
      Wassallam

    • @gerardyu940
      @gerardyu940 Год назад

      @@navaratnamselvaduray2179 law and politics are 2 different but related subjects. Laws are drafted and debated by politicians, old discriminatory laws are taken down (such as s377A) because of politics

    • @navaratnamselvaduray2179
      @navaratnamselvaduray2179 Год назад +1

      @@gerardyu940~ and another ammendment will also outwit this ammendment too. It goes on n on Sir.
      Nothing remains right or wrong forever. Changes r inevitable.
      Wassallam

  • @reborn8708
    @reborn8708 3 месяца назад +1

    Minister of manpower uses pap meaning of escornded,rather then hoogle dictionary.

  • @rich1228
    @rich1228 Год назад +6

    "I'm not legally trained." but I like to keep talking about legal stuff that I know nothing about.

  • @winwinwin282828
    @winwinwin282828 Год назад +17

    So it's ok for idranee to say I DONT KNOW ? in parliament when asked a question ?

  • @LivingWater-ee7um
    @LivingWater-ee7um Год назад +2

    Mr Shanmugam, stop this noise and nonsense on the Lee's Family matters. It's a private family matters. Get your priorities right. It's for the Court to determine not YOU, NOT Mr TEO and/or Mr Speaker Tan. You all Leegalised your million to accumulatively billion dollars pay checks, bonuses, directors fee to work part time and dwell in Private matter? Why State matter concerning KOM not named and further investigated?

  • @charleschin814
    @charleschin814 Месяц назад

    If they cannot proceed on the KOM case, then why did Keppel O&M paid US$422 million in fines?

  • @noelnavin
    @noelnavin Год назад +4

    So my money was just spent on salaries of a bunch of elected officials to debate for more than an hour on a matter that has near zero impact to my or other Singaporeans lives… talk about a turd return of investment.

  • @BeachBoi1000
    @BeachBoi1000 Год назад +6

    Good! A full version but it’s so long😂

    • @magnusthor6259
      @magnusthor6259 Год назад

      One sided fight. Mr Shanmugam is so polished and Mr Leong is so shallow. And he came from a good school?

  • @winwinwin282828
    @winwinwin282828 Год назад +4

    I didn't know shameugun can talk as and when he likes in this parliament. Remember gracefool tried to force Sylvia lim to apologise but didn't get it?

  • @s2mobile90
    @s2mobile90 7 месяцев назад

    Dear minister, I did Amitabha Centre a/c a few years ago, I left the company already。I heard that Singaporean is the shareholders。I want to let you all know that I did the donation & old folks a/c only, othet than that I did not know。'Tanah curi tak boleh jual bukan saya cakap, bukan saya mulut.banyak'。I always kena disturb, so sad!! 阿弥陀佛! 8:25 8:27 8:30

  • @fulcrum4890
    @fulcrum4890 Год назад

    You definitely make it like a court proceedings...

  • @LonganLee
    @LonganLee Год назад +6

    Every sg lawyers must be proud of how lawyers operate. Our MPs are all so kind and NOT PETTY

  • @luckypat8
    @luckypat8 Год назад +4

    Has a warrant of arrest been issued to Both Lee Hsien Yang and Wife?

    • @sangnilautamapendekar
      @sangnilautamapendekar Год назад

      Memang takde. Yang ada hanyalah bohong. Buat bohong kat parlimen menipu rakyat jelata.

  • @richardlu4195
    @richardlu4195 Год назад +3

    The son, LHL and PAP praised LKY to the high heavens where they presume he is now. Yet they won’t grant him his wish to have his house demolished.

    • @tingguoyu4671
      @tingguoyu4671 Год назад +1

      Are you LKL long lost bro? You seem to know the inner facts lol

    • @saintclare2186
      @saintclare2186 Год назад

      Thats a good one.

  • @tanst7859
    @tanst7859 Год назад +6

    Wow .. ok Leong was a scholar working in GIC ! Ok is this a government mistake too?😅

    • @CC-dx6bc
      @CC-dx6bc 6 месяцев назад

      Yes it was. Hes no good

  • @MrStewartzhu
    @MrStewartzhu Год назад +1

    Indranee should be composed as a minister and improper to display fire bust reaction without mindful of the conduct in the house. Wow!

  • @SgForeverSg
    @SgForeverSg Год назад +2

    I find it odd that the government can say someone absconded when they have not then try to use that persons own use of the word fugitive to defend the use of the word absconded. Is this not fudging the issue? Isn’t absconding a matter of fact? And then insult the MP with references to dictionaries. This is disgusting and sad.

  • @henryneoch7366
    @henryneoch7366 Год назад

    Shame,
    U do not ve the credential to use the word ‘coward’
    Apology ??? One fine day - it is your turn😂😂

  • @woffydo
    @woffydo Год назад +9

    Let me get this straight, Parliament debates don't have to be friendly and the tone is irrelevant, just look at the British Parliament. It's for the state of the nation and sometimes things get heated up, it is completely natural.

    • @clcheong6320
      @clcheong6320 Год назад +1

      Yes it is normal and happening in many countries. Some ended up fist fighting in parliament.

    • @marktan3327
      @marktan3327 Год назад +1

      I don’t think we should aspire to emulate the British parliamentary process. Their politics is unnecessarily divisive and more of a show than anything

    • @koksanchong-qp2wz
      @koksanchong-qp2wz Год назад

      飲杯吃个饱,才耒讲,傻沟?

  • @dunamisneo
    @dunamisneo Год назад +6

    Minister for Home Affair❤

  • @joseki6644
    @joseki6644 Год назад +2

    Bloody hell, is this parliamentary dialogue or is this a legal prosecution ?! Why is the Minister using his legal training to operate in the House and basically attack members over what occasionally was merely semantics and argumentative representation.

  • @irwanbinsoekadi9817
    @irwanbinsoekadi9817 2 дня назад

    This private matter shud not bring into parliament..

  • @diva555sg
    @diva555sg Год назад +4

    When we see this we know where to cast our vote! Why they can use pofma & play of word not to solve a problem + opposition cannot bring up issue or speak up but apologise if it doesn't sound good or what the woke govt wants to hear. Its beyond fair. They keep on changing goal post & gaslighting. Law for thee not for us woke govt.

  • @quad6752
    @quad6752 Год назад

    Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye ?

  • @billysoh1745
    @billysoh1745 Год назад

    Wow, man with power talks differently.

  • @Ghost_594
    @Ghost_594 Год назад +8

    honestly right. how the f did leong mun wai get into parliment

  • @yingyang2405
    @yingyang2405 Год назад +2

    Absconded????
    Has the couple been charged in court?
    Have they been on bail and jumped bail?
    They are investigated.
    They have the option to answer or remain silent.
    The police have to find proof themselves.
    They said they will become fugitives. Have they become fugitives in this instance?
    Apparently the parliament is taking the stand that the couple is guilty, therefore they absconded.

  • @GunaLibra-eh3bj
    @GunaLibra-eh3bj Год назад +4

    Public interest is governing and uphold.. not the other wise of private matters to be brought to the parliament such as LKY...

    • @michelleszetoh379
      @michelleszetoh379 Год назад +1

      Agree

    • @koksanchong-qp2wz
      @koksanchong-qp2wz Год назад

      他以死掉,耍讲也難!只有班恶巴,拿他当箭牌?

    • @koksanchong-qp2wz
      @koksanchong-qp2wz Год назад

      因他是新加坡國父,得到人民的尊重!所以很多恶霸喜欢拿他来做当箭牌!

  • @ttkoh123
    @ttkoh123 Год назад +2

    Summon LMY from bereavement as if the sky thumbing down or what you say it is? How do you think People would read from this?
    I think SMG should find bigger target like Pritam Singh than a nominated MP and also to repeat those words of his outside of Parliamentary Privilege.

  • @AmbaSnakeman
    @AmbaSnakeman Год назад +1

    For my knowledge: saying am a Fugitive on social media counts as legally admitting a fault?

  • @rustyrazzi5182
    @rustyrazzi5182 Год назад +6

    …Mr Leong sir, that uncalled for remark on the Honourable Speaker of the HOUSE, will be on the internet forever…

  • @LonganLee
    @LonganLee Год назад +1

    "...out of respect for the bereavement..." 👏👏👏

  • @BaySean
    @BaySean Год назад

    Where in overseas are Mr Lee Xian Yang and Mrs Lee Suet Fern now?

  • @SuperPhysicsgeek
    @SuperPhysicsgeek Год назад +32

    54:01 savage moment by lmw

    • @jj96432
      @jj96432 Год назад +7

      Savage if he was a 10+ year old. Childish and honestly low EQ for a 60+ year old lol

    • @user-pt2pc5uf1g
      @user-pt2pc5uf1g Год назад +2

      LMW TUAKEE

    • @MorendraNodi
      @MorendraNodi Год назад

      after hearing all 55 mins of speech, if you really this LMW had any substance to his debate, I think you have the same IQ level as his. No wonder this dude has such support despite the stupid arguments he gets into.

    • @Beng-Jun
      @Beng-Jun Год назад +2

      hahaha, the speaker got schooled

    • @Andrew-tt8rp
      @Andrew-tt8rp Год назад

      holy, how can he say that? OMG

  • @yingyang2405
    @yingyang2405 Год назад +2

    Keep up your good job, LMW.
    To ask is not err.
    Not to ask is cowardice.
    Fear to ask is defeat.

    • @chuak.c7349
      @chuak.c7349 Год назад

      Disappointed with wp. So quite.

  • @caiby48
    @caiby48 8 месяцев назад

    As the son and daughter in law of world honorable Mr Lee KY and his wife, and that you carrying very highly academic achievement and great job stature, you must not fear of law by evading yourself to other country for haven, but stand up firmly to respect the law and order that have been progressing you, your progenies as well as Singapore for what it is today and future. The most if you are convicted, you will be fine not beyond your ability to pay, or a short term jail or telling the world academic achievement and wealth are not true way of happy life, that’s all. After which, you still are free to enjoy with your family members , brothers and sisters, friends and cousins etc in singapore and other countries. Evading law in Singapore as like your stature, easily manipulated by other highly intelligent but negative parties that will ruin your life even more deeply. Hope you can stand firm to your dignity and grace to face the law. Thank you

  • @jsohyp
    @jsohyp Год назад +4

    To be fair the KOMs names have been published overseas.

  • @tantan6294
    @tantan6294 Год назад +2

    Is only happening in Singapore. If is not correct, please correct me. Please do it in a way, Singaporeans are not burdened at all.

  • @englianconnietan1931
    @englianconnietan1931 Год назад

    You are most admirable n most respected Mr Leong Mun Wai. You are our hero and you get respect from everyone who watches this speech. I am Watching n feeling Bullied and..don't know why. I am not even in your shoes.I am in the comfort of my home. Heng Ahh

  • @asaithambig1243
    @asaithambig1243 Год назад +1

    Why family issues is in parliament, there alot better thing for the country to talk tq

  • @angsiuhong3408
    @angsiuhong3408 9 месяцев назад

    3 January 2024
    Wednesday
    Time: 9.59 am
    Ok, I remember now, it's
    CATS 706.
    Sounds like 7 to 6 of us left.
    Ok, Grace Chong would bring me to 7th Adventist Church in Thomson Road, Causurina Rd.
    On one Sunday. But, they were dancing and singing.
    Then on Saturday, it was Annie Ho, I follow to Novena Church. But, I was turned off when the pastor says you cannot be a good Christian, if you scold your neighbours or drivers, etc.
    Annie Ho stays in Tampines.
    Husband found in Thailand as a beggar, came back, and was resourceful, Annie says.
    This one, also 2nd wife type, so they have people throwing things at her door or something like that.
    I didn't carry on with such Christian behaviour.

  • @henryneoch7366
    @henryneoch7366 Год назад

    Shanmugam, ve u been challenge by LT b4 & u dare nt take up his challenge?
    Yes/No - I’m asking

  • @leexianlong6855
    @leexianlong6855 Год назад +11

    This is a summary about the video so viewers need not waste an hour watching how PAP MPs bully an NCMP in Parliament.
    KS. KS thought he was in a courtroom and tried to badger LMW. Unfortunately for KS, he's in Parliament and LMW is not a witness taking a stand. At one moment, he even though this was an English classroom and tried to define "muddy water". KS is rather clueless of his role as MP/Minister.
    TCJ. TCJ is definitely not impartial despite having to sever all ties with the PAP as Speaker. Personally, LMW need not have to apologize to TCJ as he was rude. A more outspoken MP would have given him the F word.
    IR. IR was simply trying to steal the spotlight by interrupting when MPs were trying to debate. She should know her place, keep quiet, and sit down.
    LMW. LMW is a hero to all Singaporeans speaking the truth and seeking clarification for Singaporeans in Parliament. A LMW can stand up firm against 3 Ministers/PAP MPs despite all the threats, insults, and name calling. A PSP NCMP is worth more than the many silent PAP MPs in Parliament. PAP MPs will not speak for or represent Singaporeans. A opposition MP will speak for and represent Singaporeans.
    Do not trust PAP. Do not vote PAP. Vote opposition.

    • @sangnilautamapendekar
      @sangnilautamapendekar Год назад

      Benar tu. Shanmugam tu nak tunjuk kuasa macam anak samseng. Buat malu aje.

    • @JL-rq8cd
      @JL-rq8cd Год назад

      Hahahah how ironic is your name

    • @Original_josh
      @Original_josh Год назад

      Appreciate the objective view🙏
      This is precisely why youre here commenting on a youtube video instead of working in politics and debating in real time👍

    • @chuak.c7349
      @chuak.c7349 Год назад

      Why ir so angry? Like somebody burn her house.

  • @lenalee8302
    @lenalee8302 Год назад +7

    I think our opposition has to do better and focus to debate relevant real topics that impact citizen lives..eg jobs, trade etc.

  • @BlueBull2604
    @BlueBull2604 Год назад +1

    Jialat lah, opposition standard like this, how to provide check and balance to the government?

  • @93hothead
    @93hothead Год назад +1

    PARLIAMENT'S TIME USED FOR FAMILY AFFAIRS while the rest of the country continue to look on the stage act

  • @flowertowerrr
    @flowertowerrr Год назад +10

    LOL I like Mr Leong but he got owned

    • @bobafett5757
      @bobafett5757 Год назад +4

      He owned it but then he traded it well

  • @annechow4407
    @annechow4407 Год назад

    Singapore needs stronger opposition