First ride on my Low Rider ST was 1300 miles home from CO over 3 days. Filled the bags and a small duffel on the back. I’m sure it would’ve been more comfortable on a RG but I still thought it went great. I got the bike because I thought it’d be a good compromise between a touring bike and a Dyna/sportster and after doing 2500 miles in 2 1/2 months I definitely think it is.
I've wanted a Harley since I was 5 years old. I'm 32 now. Been riding cheap motorcycles my whole life but I can finally afford a newer Harley in about 5 months. I've learned SO much from these videos. I thought I knew what I wanted years ago, but have a way better idea of what I should look at now. I'm 140 lbs, so I don't think I'll be able to truly narrow down my decision until I do some test rides. But I really appreciate these videos 👍
When I bought my 1980 FLT, I immediately learned that the frame mounted fairing "was the shit." I just camped by a current1980 FLT owner at a big Mid-West Harley event who also rides a Softail Low Rider ST over 100 miles to work everyday. We both quickly came to the same conclusion, "the money difference between the two bikes is a tough call, because the ST is a great riding bike." Crushing miles with a pillion and a Tour Pak and Bags fully loaded, the Road Glide suddenly becomes, "value for money." Thanks for sharing, Ride Free
So glad this video came out. I’m 280lbs 6ft 1 wife is 165lb looks like my 21 ultra snake venom is the bike to keep even though I like the low rider st more. Guess I’ll just take off the tour pack,change seats for a different feel and look and then throw on your pack when going out of town. I will say we only ride about 60-100miles on a day of riding not much so that’s what is making me wanting a low rider st because I don’t put a lot of miles riding
I rode with contact lenses from the age of nine through 61 then I got vision correction. No more constantly getting dirt in my eyes, no more eyes drying out and having contacts sticking to my eye, no more contact lense going off center It’s wonderful to ride pain free now. Get it done!
Another great review. Good points mentioned from Mickey and Andrew. Came across a Low Rider ST with just a Stage 2 cam, after market exhaust, tuner and dyno'd. It was a mean little beast. Highly suggest to go that route if you get one. Another point to mention is you can get forward controls for the Low Riders which some owners prefer.
I'v been stuck betweent these two exact models and this video has greatly helped with my decision making. I still haven't completely decided, but the points made in this video hit the nail on the head for me.
Thanks for doing this comparison! I’ve been waiting on someone to put the road glide and LRST up against each other. I’m still a new rider, but videos like this really help put everything in perspective for me for when I upgrade to my next bike
I used 3 inch mending plates to extend the bottom dowels of of my windshield out forward on my M8 Fat Boy's 15inch windsplitter. It worked fantastically, and the windshield is so much better without giving you stagnant hot air in the summer, or cold air blasts in the winter.
This video was needed. I’m so stuck between these 2 bikes right now…..this helped a lot. Lol still want both but the road glide is probably the route for me.
I don’t ride a bike but so pleasure & fun to watching it and I’m learning a lot, very informative as my husband said also I loved watching & listening to three handsome men!
Coming from a dyna to a street glide…I’ll say that I can whip my SG around the city without any issues. I love the touring chassis and I can’t see going back.
My first Harley was a Road King, then went to a Street Bob. Had the Dyna for 4 years now, and have my heart set on getting another Touring model. Miss the highway comfort and storage space. Plus, the girlfriend always wants ride 2-up
Love the comparison, I will offer my own comparison...went from 2020 heritage to a 21 Street Glide, initially I was worried about the additional heft, am 135-145lbs and 5’4 with a 29” inseam, the wind protection on the heritage is laughable compared to the SG, no matter what I did with the Heritage, the buffeting was horrendous, with the SG, it is almost non existent with a clockworks 7” screen, sticking with the SG!
Great video on the difference between the fairings Purchased the lowrider s here in the UK with a custom paint. The lowrider st diablo really really taken my heart. If Harley Davidson had that colour available for the ST I would have purchased the ST model. I personally hate really really hate those standard colour options black or grey, bland boring. Believe me I would trade in my lowrider s for that diablo model but it's only a limited amount. Noooo!! 😢. UK already sold out. RRP £25,495.00 ST black £19,899.00 So the extra for that beautiful paint with the speaker system is correctly priced. Here in the UK grey clouds short summer's long dark winter's please please Harley Davidson make the diablo model available permanently to add some colour in our dark grey bland depression world.
That Gunship Grey Road Glide is so badass but if I were a smaller guy I'd look at the LR ST in Gunship Grey. My biggest disappointment with the LR is that I'm too big for it. The power to weight ratio outclasses the Road Glide and I would rock it all over Colorado mountains on 1, 2, 3 day trips no sweat. I'd be scraping those pegs like crazy. But my size keeps me on the touring platforms and my RK boards are all scraped up.
Hello from Kentucky. Been watching your videos for some time now….maybe too much. Just traded my 2017 road king after falling in love with the 2022 road glide limited you covered. Pulled the trigger on a 2022 RGL in Apex. Your video about the RDRS was great…added that. Now I’ll stick to your ride videos to avoid future temptations. Thanks for great content
A softail chassis is a rider, a touring chassis is a driver. From ages 17 to 66 I love riding but never much cared for driving. Semi infested, straight lined freeways ain’t my kinda havin’ fun. My Vivid Black ST will be in the end of April.
The updated touring bikes are so damn capable. They’re so damn good. I feel them as pretty agile and have great low speed manners and u can’t beat ‘em on the hwy. I will say I haven’t ridden the new softails.. so I’m sure they are much more capable. I just don’t see going back to anything other than touring frame. I don’t stack crazy miles on long trips a lot but I do ride a lot of miles on anything from day rides to commuting any day there not snow down. Love the comfort and storage I got a bad back and for some reason my back hurts less or not at all after a few hours on the road king than any chair or car I have
Nice review with input from three different riders. I've owned a 07 Heritage Softail Classic, 15 SGS and now a 21 RGS and hands down the RGS is the most comfortable bike. I put 40K on that softail so I think that I have some knowledge on the subject.
I agree with you on the softail being comfortable! I too currently own a 2007 heritage classic and I have no problems going out for a quick ride and it turns into a 200 to 300 mile ride. I do find the stock seat getting uncomfortable around 400 miles which I will be upgrading soon.
If your still not sure between the two bikes, I’d recommend checking out Harley’s Demo Days at your local dealership. This event facilitates an opportunity to ride both bikes to compare and contrast them. By doing so, you can really narrow in on your decision to choose between the two bikes.
I went into the dealership with a budget of 20k. My intention was to purchase a Lowrider S as my first Harley/cruiser style bike. My dealer convinced me to purchase the Lowrider ST for the fairing and saddlebags. In hindsight, if i was breaking my budget anyway, I should have spent just a little more and went with the Road Glide ST especially since I’m spending more now to add the audio, floorboards, crash bars, etc. which are all standard on the Road Glide. I wish I would have at least sat on the Road Glide when making my purchase and I’m sure it would have won me over instantly. However, given my budget… the Lowrider ST is a good value!
As someone that has owned a touring bike before and went to a non touring bike, don’t do it! Once you are use to the wind protection, storage, etc you will regret getting rid of the touring bike.
The Low Rider ST is what actually made me buy a Harley. As a sport/up right standard bike rider I am used to bikes with higher power to weigh ratios and lean angles higher than 30%. I almost settled for a Fat Bob a few years ago, I'm glad I waited I really wanted a "cruiser" Harley for the bags and static fairing and the Low Rider does not disappoint. I have no problem laying down 300mi on my Low Rider in one jaunt, very very comfortable platform. Looking to do the stage 4 131ci kit soon.
Both are cool. Prefer the batwing fairing, but would choose Road Glide over the low rider ST because you get the stereo and GPS with the Road Glide not to mention the added comfort.
The more apt comparison to me would be how the Low Rider ST compares/contrasts with the Heritage. It would be very interesting to see how both of the "baby tourers" fit into that I want to road trip without getting a monster bike niche
I'll tell ya right now- after demoing the ST, even as a shorter rider, I want to trade up from my Heritage. Just maybe with fwd controls and taller bars ( short but have long limbs lol)
I traded in my SG for a low rider s and I think it’s way more comfortable than my glide was. I find the mid controls much more comfortable. I’m 6’1” but have very short legs so the mid controls suit me better. My wife and I just loaded up the bike and rode from Ohio to Maine and back and We can hammer out 7-8 hours a day without too much discomfort.
If you are taller but like the lowrider st… just put forward controls on it and the 10” Windshield … and you can put a mustang touring seat.. and an advanblack tour pack and you have everything
Love the look of the Low Rider ST and when I am riding solo would likely prefer that. I have Wide Glide right now, but I think my issue would be the same with the LRST as the WG. I 2 up ride frequently and it is just not comfortable for longer rides.
Nice 👍 i would have gone for the ST model but it's the colour scheme black or grey paint so purchased a lowrider s with a custom paint cost the same as the grey ST model. If the diablo ST model was available i would have plunged for that beautiful bike.
Test ride the Lowrider ST. The suspension was not great and the fairing sucked at deflecting wind. Knees were in my chest and got speed wobbles at 90+. I feel it’s a hype bike not worth the $. You would need to throw 5-10k into comfortable and ride right. It looks cool though. Road glide just needed more power but the ride was plush!
The weight of the touring platform is really negligible when you really learn how to ride at slow speed. I tell that to people all the time. I was fortunate to be able to take some pretty good motorcycle training to get to that point though. I haven't ridden a lower rider st but I think I would want a taller seat height just from looking at various rider's knee height in relation to their hips. I'm guessing that might throw off the aesthetics of the bike though. My only really gripe about the touring platform is the suspension. I really think Harley should rework the compression/rebound aspect of it. I'm not saying it has to come stock with Ohlins but it's way too soft, wallows and is more susceptible to wobble at high speeds as a result. I work off a 2020 Road King in a professional capacity so if you're not riding it really hard then you're probably fine with the 1980s cadillac feel.
I agree with the seat height thing for the low rider ST. A taller seat would help a bit but then that puts your head higher. The special versions on the touring bikes need suspension. The limiteds are okay though. Partly because they have a great seat. However I feel like the suspension is too stiff in most cases.
@@MattLaidlaw Suspension is always a hot topic I suppose. Everyone has different needs, expectations and preferences. It would be nice if the motorco could incorporate a basic rebound damping adjustment into the rear shock of the touring models. Seems like that could be a worthwhile addition without adding a lot to the production cost.
For the premium price we pay for Harley even just the touring lineup should come with fully adjustable suspension front and rear from the factory. It doesn't have to be Ohlins but a in-house brand or something. Even if they teamed up with progressive would be nice. I know I know that there are better brands to be offered then progressive but for a factory option it would be nice.
@@joshuaearnshaw8565 they don't do adjustable suspension because 95% of their customers would fuck it up. They cater to the guys that average under 3k miles a year.
I was perusing your vids the other day trying to find that cool old vid you had of the 40s HDs out off road scrambling to no avail. But I did see that project bike you guys did a few years back that HD basically aped. I hope they're paying y'all royalties for your excellent design work!
We should have more colors like the Diablo. I bought the ST it’s quicker than I imagined and corners fast and tighter. I didn’t realized how tight till I got on my Dyna and scrapped my peg going slower on the same corner. The bars suck and hunch me over and I prefer mounted gauges. The digital bar clamp gauge could have more information it lacks head temp, oil pressure. Which if you read owners manual, or skim it, operating temperature is 220 deg which is easily surpassed just riding in sun. I would rather read oil pressure lowering than to have a red lamp tell me I’m fucked. I almost bought an S and I’m glad I didn’t I love the fairing.
Thanks for this. I've been on the fence about my ST vs a Road Glide. I don't ride two up much, and do split lanes a lot... not a touring type. So... though the Road Glide is beautiful thing, the ST will stay in the garage. Man... I may have to get the Road Glide in addition to the ST. Which bank do I rob next.... ha ha.
I really don't like the look of that fairing on the LowRider ST at all. Good to hear him say he took his heel shifter off to be able to move his feet around. That is the same reason I don't like a heel shifter.
I just got an extended length heal shifter on flebay for like $25. One of the best mods I have ever done. I can now use the whole floor board and the shifting is effortless. 👍
The pros of the Low Rider ST is the real drop in weight from the Street Glide and Road Glide however the audio package really needs physical controls and the wind protection is decent for a Harley fairing but they really need to whip a complimentary set of lowers for this bike. However what disappointed me the most what the trim pieces like the center console leave a lot to be desired in an quality aspect. Why did they cheap out and not color match the battery cover? I am holding out hope that Harley revamps the Tour line chassis as its effectively a decade old running on a chassis easily older. Harley riders deserve better and that includes the lack of qualifty of life issues as compared to competitors in the same price range, BMW, Honda, and Indian, all offer far more quality of life features even at better price points. Use to be Harley riders could dismiss that criticism but the Revolution Max platform shames the tour line in features.
At 5'6 30inch inseam the touring models aren't even an option for me, which is fine since i don't "crush big miles" anyway. Sitting on the low rider st at my dealership moving it side to side does NOT feel like a 700+ pound bike!!! Side note my dealership (Milwaukee Harley) had the new El Diablo and the red definitely pops in person.
I think harleys are old tech and very tractor like not suited to roads in the uk However that lowrider st has something about it, a wow factor and i really want one
Those bags look tiny compared to my electra glide. I can easily fit 2 6 packs of beer in each case and still have some room. Can you even fit 1 6 pack in the ST bags? They dont look like they open far
I currently have a '22 Low Rider ST after having a '21 RG. The wind protection is better on the RG. I expected that though. The ST is good enough and is way more fun to ride.
Can the Low Rider ST bags be switched to the Pan America bags or the non-stretch touring bags? Wish they used the Sportster S display on the Low Rider ST.
Yes you can. Some people buy the road glide gauges and mount them on top of the bar clamp. Usually requires a whole new bar setup. It can be done but it isn’t cheap or easy.
If harely had put a little bigger faring on the sport glide the same style that it comes with my option they would still be selling them in the usa.the sport glide handles like a dream.my opinion again the sport glide looks much better than the lowrider. Just my opinion!!
I think you’re right. If the sport glide had this fairing on it then it would be about 80% the same bike. It would just be missing the dual front disc brakes and 117 motor. The sport glide is a great handling bike.
If you ride solo always, even long distance, especially, if you are light and travel light.. I would say the Low Rider ST is way better unless you are huge on tech. I am sort of a minimalist, so I preferred that, but not everyone is that way.
How about putting a tour pak on the low rider st. Some have done it even though HD doesn't show one to fit. But they are way better than putting up with strapon bags. I'd like to know exactly what is needed.
Hi guys, I want a low rider ST because I'm a light weight 150lbs 5'9" .... I know the Road Glide fairing is going to be a better fairing and deflect more wind when I do my 300 mile weekend ride at highway speed. I like the "clean" wind to keep me cool in summer, but I HATE helmet buffeting. Do you think the LR ST will cause me helmet BUFFETING? I'm not able to get a test ride in my country, so your opinion is greatly appreciate. Thanks guys for putting such great content out there for us 👍
That’s a really hard question to answer because there are so many variables like what helmet how tall your torso relative to the top of the fairing. I’d get the bike based on what you’ve said and make adjustments from there like different windshield or seat or helmet
Lowrider ST… The fairing was clearly developed with airflow management and pressure relief in mind. The airflow above the fairing and tiny windshield makes for a lot of noise and buffeting around the helmet. Even at speeds starting at 50 mph. Could use a much taller screen above the fairing. The instrument strip… really? Cruise control would be nice. Monster 117 means I did not have to shift above 3k. Ocean of torque. Would add a taller seat. A great bike overall.
Hey Matt....I am buying a new Lowrider for my 62nd birthday next month. My last bike was a StreetGlide I sold 15 years ago and have not been on a bike since. Knowing the new lowriders have a 117 engine and is lighter weight makes this the perfect bike for me. Just out of curiosity is the standard fairing on the lowrider sufficient for a person 5'7"? I will be wearing a full face helmet. Back in the day I rode with a $10 brain bucket. You get wiser as you get older.
First off congrats. To answer your question - in most cases, no, the stock little quarter fairing isn’t going to give you much of any wind deflection. It’s mostly for looks. At high speeds you’re gonna get the full wind in the face. Either enjoy the wind or get the p&A fairing with a taller windshield on it. Or if you’re gonna do serious touring get the low rider ST
@@MattLaidlaw Hey Matt….thanks for quick reply. And I should have mentioned that I am buying the LowRider ST. Seems perfect for cruising around town yet has the features that will allow me to ride comfortably on longer distance rides. I am NOT a cross country type rider so don’t need a big touring bike. I live in Austin TX and the Texas Hill Country had to be some of the nicest places to ride in the country. Plus you get to ride year round so very stoked to be back on the saddle again soon. Thanks again for your wonderful informative videos🙏
WHY CAN'T YOU USE THE ROADGLIDE FRONT FAIRING ON THE ST? AND IS THERE THE RT FAIRING TO FOR THE LOWRIDER? I LIKE A BIG FAIRING ON THE LOWRIDER WITH LOUD MUSIC ON IT, AND A BACKREST WITH A HARDBAG ON BACK, JUST FOR LONG RIDES! THANX
Your assessment are for people who are big like you all. I have low rider ST and it’s perfect for me as a smaller person. Road glide is to big and heavy.
Matt you've seen the paint work on many a new Harley Davidson. Do certain models paint hold up better than others? Is it me, or does it seem crazy to spend over 25 large on a Harley Davidson with a plain paint job? How can H-D sell a MC without standard pinstriping? Because people accept everything guys like Brad Richards design without question, maybe. I would have a gray bike only if it was candy paint. Making a MC to match a battleship went out of style in the 50's, and all your customers are saying they like it, but do they? Or are they being forced to like it because they have no other choice? Has H-D always been so short on colors?
They all hold up very well. HD has industry leading paint quality. Paint is a personal preference. A lot of People hates it when HD puts the pin stripe on bikes. Some don’t. It’s hard to please everyone.
ROAD GLIDE ALLLLLL DAY but I feel more comfortable on the SG but the RG is the best looking bike by far The fairing is just so damn far away feeling on the RG. I’m sure with a few miles on it .. would be all good. Currently I’m good with my 2019 FLHR. Yo Matt.. do u know if the Motor company is ever going to go back to the hydraulic clutch ? Was thinking when I upgraded in a few years I’ll gotta find a 2020 (last year of the hydraulic clutch yes?) I didn’t like the hydraulic clutch all that much when I first got the 2019. Never rode a bike with anything but a cable clutch. I didn’t like how the start of friction zone was so damn far out. Put on one of those Softbrake clutch levers and since then I fell in love with the hydraulic clutch. It’s so damn precise. Feels so smooth. I’m sure Hd went back to the cable for cost savings
I'm not a fan of the new fairing.... I didnt like the road glide either and now I own one. Things can grow on you. My 2021 roadglide limited fltrk has air flow ducts past the head light on either side that have no flaps to close them. Ive had bees make the trip through and smack me in the face. The wind noise is a lot more noticeable. After a 500 mile day my ears are ringing eeeeeeeeeeee. I miss my batwing. I have a 14" clockworks windshield that lands about my chin. Im not sure I could drop my head far enough to avoid a flying object.
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First ride on my Low Rider ST was 1300 miles home from CO over 3 days. Filled the bags and a small duffel on the back. I’m sure it would’ve been more comfortable on a RG but I still thought it went great. I got the bike because I thought it’d be a good compromise between a touring bike and a Dyna/sportster and after doing 2500 miles in 2 1/2 months I definitely think it is.
The only problem with Matt’s videos are that I want every Harley now… and I cannot afford to one I already have.
True - best Harley info out there.
I have the same problem.
His vids bring all the 💨
He’s very passionate and does his best to promote the brand
Hey one is better than none
I've wanted a Harley since I was 5 years old. I'm 32 now. Been riding cheap motorcycles my whole life but I can finally afford a newer Harley in about 5 months. I've learned SO much from these videos. I thought I knew what I wanted years ago, but have a way better idea of what I should look at now. I'm 140 lbs, so I don't think I'll be able to truly narrow down my decision until I do some test rides. But I really appreciate these videos 👍
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Did you get one? I just picked up my ST yesterday and I'm loving it.
@@OldManShoutsAtClouds yea I ended up getting a 2022 street bob and went the whole “club style” look with it. Definitely love it
When I bought my 1980 FLT, I immediately learned that the frame mounted fairing "was the shit." I just camped by a current1980 FLT owner at a big Mid-West Harley event who also rides a Softail Low Rider ST over 100 miles to work everyday. We both quickly came to the same conclusion, "the money difference between the two bikes is a tough call, because the ST is a great riding bike." Crushing miles with a pillion and a Tour Pak and Bags fully loaded, the Road Glide suddenly becomes, "value for money." Thanks for sharing, Ride Free
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To be fair you should put the tall fairing on the lowrider ST, Love mine it checks off all the boxes
I put the tall windscreen on my st and it made a huge difference.
@@markmcintosh7095 Good to know. I haven't ridden with the taller windshield
I want drag race my road glide.
So glad this video came out. I’m 280lbs 6ft 1 wife is 165lb looks like my 21 ultra snake venom is the bike to keep even though I like the low rider st more. Guess I’ll just take off the tour pack,change seats for a different feel and look and then throw on your pack when going out of town.
I will say we only ride about 60-100miles on a day of riding not much so that’s what is making me wanting a low rider st because I don’t put a lot of miles riding
That El Diablo may be one of the best looking factory customs Harley has ever made, can't wait to see the full look at that.
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Blockhead channel just did a little video on the El Diablo
All the ‘22 CVO’s as well! Stellar
Wait 'til you see the full price of it...
Um.... I'm guessing you are early 20s right?
I rode with contact lenses from the age of nine through 61 then I got vision correction. No more constantly getting dirt in my eyes, no more eyes drying out and having contacts sticking to my eye, no more contact lense going off center It’s wonderful to ride pain free now. Get it done!
Another great review. Good points mentioned from Mickey and Andrew. Came across a Low Rider ST with just a Stage 2 cam, after market exhaust, tuner and dyno'd. It was a mean little beast. Highly suggest to go that route if you get one. Another point to mention is you can get forward controls for the Low Riders which some owners prefer.
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I'v been stuck betweent these two exact models and this video has greatly helped with my decision making. I still haven't completely decided, but the points made in this video hit the nail on the head for me.
Comments like this are exactly why we made it. Thanks for the comment. Glad we could help a bit. Good luck on the decision.
So, what did you end up deciding?
I love the look of the ST. The only thing I didn’t like was the side opening bags. A top opening bag , SOLD!
and the dif size bags too.
Thanks for doing this comparison! I’ve been waiting on someone to put the road glide and LRST up against each other. I’m still a new rider, but videos like this really help put everything in perspective for me for when I upgrade to my next bike
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I used 3 inch mending plates to extend the bottom dowels of of my windshield out forward on my M8 Fat Boy's 15inch windsplitter. It worked fantastically, and the windshield is so much better without giving you stagnant hot air in the summer, or cold air blasts in the winter.
This video was needed. I’m so stuck between these 2 bikes right now…..this helped a lot. Lol still want both but the road glide is probably the route for me.
Glad we could help. I guess if you can’t decide then just get both. Haha
Me too. But now I'm even more undecided!
I don’t ride a bike but so pleasure & fun to watching it and I’m learning a lot, very informative as my husband said also I loved watching & listening to three handsome men!
Coming from a dyna to a street glide…I’ll say that I can whip my SG around the city without any issues. I love the touring chassis and I can’t see going back.
My first Harley was a Road King, then went to a Street Bob. Had the Dyna for 4 years now, and have my heart set on getting another Touring model.
Miss the highway comfort and storage space. Plus, the girlfriend always wants ride 2-up
Great channel Matt I put the taller windscreen and tall boy seat on my st. Love the bike so far the rear suspension is unbelievable good for stock.
Love the comparison, I will offer my own comparison...went from 2020 heritage to a 21 Street Glide, initially I was worried about the additional heft, am 135-145lbs and 5’4 with a 29” inseam, the wind protection on the heritage is laughable compared to the SG, no matter what I did with the Heritage, the buffeting was horrendous, with the SG, it is almost non existent with a clockworks 7” screen, sticking with the SG!
Sounds about right.
Pretty sure u haven't actually measured your inseam...unless u are indeed built like an ostrich.
Great video on the difference between the fairings Purchased the lowrider s here in the UK with a custom paint. The lowrider st diablo really really taken my heart. If Harley Davidson had that colour available for the ST I would have purchased the ST model. I personally hate really really hate those standard colour options black or grey, bland boring. Believe me I would trade in my lowrider s for that diablo model but it's only a limited amount. Noooo!! 😢. UK already sold out. RRP £25,495.00 ST black £19,899.00 So the extra for that beautiful paint with the speaker system is correctly priced. Here in the UK grey clouds short summer's long dark winter's please please Harley Davidson make the diablo model available permanently to add some colour in our dark grey bland depression world.
The price between the two is such a huge difference, most can only afford the ST. That’s probably why everyone leans to that choice.
yeah 10k differance is alot
Their base models are essentially the same price.
That Gunship Grey Road Glide is so badass but if I were a smaller guy I'd look at the LR ST in Gunship Grey. My biggest disappointment with the LR is that I'm too big for it. The power to weight ratio outclasses the Road Glide and I would rock it all over Colorado mountains on 1, 2, 3 day trips no sweat. I'd be scraping those pegs like crazy. But my size keeps me on the touring platforms and my RK boards are all scraped up.
Hello from Kentucky. Been watching your videos for some time now….maybe too much. Just traded my 2017 road king after falling in love with the 2022 road glide limited you covered. Pulled the trigger on a 2022 RGL in Apex. Your video about the RDRS was great…added that. Now I’ll stick to your ride videos to avoid future temptations. Thanks for great content
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A softail chassis is a rider, a touring chassis is a driver. From ages 17 to 66 I love riding but never much cared for driving. Semi infested, straight lined freeways ain’t my kinda havin’ fun. My Vivid Black ST will be in the end of April.
It is a sweet ride. No question. But that Road Glide is a keeper. Nice job Matt.
Thanks. Yea, it’s tough to beat a road glide for most people.
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The updated touring bikes are so damn capable. They’re so damn good.
I feel them as pretty agile and have great low speed manners and u can’t beat ‘em on the hwy.
I will say I haven’t ridden the new softails.. so I’m sure they are much more capable.
I just don’t see going back to anything other than touring frame.
I don’t stack crazy miles on long trips a lot but I do ride a lot of miles on anything from day rides to commuting any day there not snow down. Love the comfort and storage
I got a bad back and for some reason my back hurts less or not at all after a few hours on the road king than any chair or car I have
Nice review with input from three different riders. I've owned a 07 Heritage Softail Classic, 15 SGS and now a 21 RGS and hands down the RGS is the most comfortable bike. I put 40K on that softail so I think that I have some knowledge on the subject.
Thanks for weighing in with your experience.
I agree with you on the softail being comfortable! I too currently own a 2007 heritage classic and I have no problems going out for a quick ride and it turns into a 200 to 300 mile ride. I do find the stock seat getting uncomfortable around 400 miles which I will be upgrading soon.
If your still not sure between the two bikes, I’d recommend checking out Harley’s Demo Days at your local dealership. This event facilitates an opportunity to ride both bikes to compare and contrast them. By doing so, you can really narrow in on your decision to choose between the two bikes.
Do you know if there is a central schedule for the demo trucks so you are able to plan out a demo day?
Great content as always Matt. This is answering the very questions I have trying to decide on which bike to get. Love the LRST.
I went into the dealership with a budget of 20k. My intention was to purchase a Lowrider S as my first Harley/cruiser style bike.
My dealer convinced me to purchase the Lowrider ST for the fairing and saddlebags.
In hindsight, if i was breaking my budget anyway, I should have spent just a little more and went with the Road Glide ST especially since I’m spending more now to add the audio, floorboards, crash bars, etc. which are all standard on the Road Glide.
I wish I would have at least sat on the Road Glide when making my purchase and I’m sure it would have won me over instantly.
However, given my budget… the Lowrider ST is a good value!
As someone that has owned a touring bike before and went to a non touring bike, don’t do it! Once you are use to the wind protection, storage, etc you will regret getting rid of the touring bike.
I can endorse this comment.
The Low Rider ST is what actually made me buy a Harley. As a sport/up right standard bike rider I am used to bikes with higher power to weigh ratios and lean angles higher than 30%. I almost settled for a Fat Bob a few years ago, I'm glad I waited I really wanted a "cruiser" Harley for the bags and static fairing and the Low Rider does not disappoint. I have no problem laying down 300mi on my Low Rider in one jaunt, very very comfortable platform. Looking to do the stage 4 131ci kit soon.
From a sport rider perspective, do you like where the controls are?
Both are cool. Prefer the batwing fairing, but would choose Road Glide over the low rider ST because you get the stereo and GPS with the Road Glide not to mention the added comfort.
Thanks for weighing in.
I own a touring right now, the Loweriderst makes a nice 2nd bike
The more apt comparison to me would be how the Low Rider ST compares/contrasts with the Heritage. It would be very interesting to see how both of the "baby tourers" fit into that I want to road trip without getting a monster bike niche
Good point. Maybe we should have put the heritage In there too
I'll tell ya right now- after demoing the ST, even as a shorter rider, I want to trade up from my Heritage. Just maybe with fwd controls and taller bars ( short but have long limbs lol)
I traded in my SG for a low rider s and I think it’s way more comfortable than my glide was. I find the mid controls much more comfortable. I’m 6’1” but have very short legs so the mid controls suit me better. My wife and I just loaded up the bike and rode from Ohio to Maine and back and We can hammer out 7-8 hours a day without too much discomfort.
If you are taller but like the lowrider st… just put forward controls on it and the 10” Windshield … and you can put a mustang touring seat.. and an advanblack tour pack and you have everything
Love the look of the Low Rider ST and when I am riding solo would likely prefer that. I have Wide Glide right now, but I think my issue would be the same with the LRST as the WG. I 2 up ride frequently and it is just not comfortable for longer rides.
Nice 👍 i would have gone for the ST model but it's the colour scheme black or grey paint so purchased a lowrider s with a custom paint cost the same as the grey ST model. If the diablo ST model was available i would have plunged for that beautiful bike.
Test ride the Lowrider ST. The suspension was not great and the fairing sucked at deflecting wind. Knees were in my chest and got speed wobbles at 90+. I feel it’s a hype bike not worth the $. You would need to throw 5-10k into comfortable and ride right. It looks cool though.
Road glide just needed more power but the ride was plush!
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The weight of the touring platform is really negligible when you really learn how to ride at slow speed. I tell that to people all the time. I was fortunate to be able to take some pretty good motorcycle training to get to that point though. I haven't ridden a lower rider st but I think I would want a taller seat height just from looking at various rider's knee height in relation to their hips. I'm guessing that might throw off the aesthetics of the bike though. My only really gripe about the touring platform is the suspension. I really think Harley should rework the compression/rebound aspect of it. I'm not saying it has to come stock with Ohlins but it's way too soft, wallows and is more susceptible to wobble at high speeds as a result. I work off a 2020 Road King in a professional capacity so if you're not riding it really hard then you're probably fine with the 1980s cadillac feel.
any stock harley suspension is garbage.....and the bikes are to low even the ST.......FTW
I agree with the seat height thing for the low rider ST. A taller seat would help a bit but then that puts your head higher. The special versions on the touring bikes need suspension. The limiteds are okay though. Partly because they have a great seat. However I feel like the suspension is too stiff in most cases.
@@MattLaidlaw Suspension is always a hot topic I suppose. Everyone has different needs, expectations and preferences. It would be nice if the motorco could incorporate a basic rebound damping adjustment into the rear shock of the touring models. Seems like that could be a worthwhile addition without adding a lot to the production cost.
For the premium price we pay for Harley even just the touring lineup should come with fully adjustable suspension front and rear from the factory. It doesn't have to be Ohlins but a in-house brand or something. Even if they teamed up with progressive would be nice. I know I know that there are better brands to be offered then progressive but for a factory option it would be nice.
@@joshuaearnshaw8565 they don't do adjustable suspension because 95% of their customers would fuck it up. They cater to the guys that average under 3k miles a year.
I was perusing your vids the other day trying to find that cool old vid you had of the 40s HDs out off road scrambling to no avail. But I did see that project bike you guys did a few years back that HD basically aped. I hope they're paying y'all royalties for your excellent design work!
Hmm I’m trying to figure out which video that was.
I appreciate the compliment.
@@MattLaidlaw *So no **#Royalties** then Matt❓* 🤔 😳😮😞 🙋♂️
Loving the low rider my new favorite bike.
HD is now offering $2500 paint for $6000. Grab 'em while you can!
We should have more colors like the Diablo. I bought the ST it’s quicker than I imagined and corners fast and tighter. I didn’t realized how tight till I got on my Dyna and scrapped my peg going slower on the same corner. The bars suck and hunch me over and I prefer mounted gauges. The digital bar clamp gauge could have more information it lacks head temp, oil pressure. Which if you read owners manual, or skim it, operating temperature is 220 deg which is easily surpassed just riding in sun. I would rather read oil pressure lowering than to have a red lamp tell me I’m fucked. I almost bought an S and I’m glad I didn’t I love the fairing.
I appreciate the quick review from an owner. Thank you for the comment.
Great overview and spot-on suggestions for choosing between two great bikes 👍
Appreciate it. Thanks.
I have 3 Harley’s I have a softail and a Dyna! I r bar hop in my bagger! I think the Road Glide or street glide are all around just great bikes!
Thanks for this. I've been on the fence about my ST vs a Road Glide. I don't ride two up much, and do split lanes a lot... not a touring type. So... though the Road Glide is beautiful thing, the ST will stay in the garage. Man... I may have to get the Road Glide in addition to the ST. Which bank do I rob next.... ha ha.
Got an Roadglide st! Road glides are the way to go
Nice 👍🏼 Great bikes. Enjoy
Great info, Matt you and your crew nailed another excellent video 👍
I'm still lookin to buy my first bike.
I really don't like the look of that fairing on the LowRider ST at all. Good to hear him say he took his heel shifter off to be able to move his feet around. That is the same reason I don't like a heel shifter.
I just got an extended length heal shifter on flebay for like $25. One of the best mods I have ever done. I can now use the whole floor board and the shifting is effortless. 👍
Love the looks of the LRST but my knees are way too upward , the Touring is a better fit for me
A very comprehensive video. Quality audio / video. Very well done. We benefit !
Thank you! And thanks for watching.
very educational review guys, given all the info you put out on YT I’m definitely going to you guys for my next HD.
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The pros of the Low Rider ST is the real drop in weight from the Street Glide and Road Glide however the audio package really needs physical controls and the wind protection is decent for a Harley fairing but they really need to whip a complimentary set of lowers for this bike. However what disappointed me the most what the trim pieces like the center console leave a lot to be desired in an quality aspect. Why did they cheap out and not color match the battery cover?
I am holding out hope that Harley revamps the Tour line chassis as its effectively a decade old running on a chassis easily older. Harley riders deserve better and that includes the lack of qualifty of life issues as compared to competitors in the same price range, BMW, Honda, and Indian, all offer far more quality of life features even at better price points.
Use to be Harley riders could dismiss that criticism but the Revolution Max platform shames the tour line in features.
Fair comment. Thank you.
What quality of life features are you referring to that the other bikes have that HD does not?
LRSF is the New Benchmark for My ridding style and purposes 😊
One per dealer. How much over MSRP do you think the dealers will get?
I know your tall. I’m 6’3”, which would you choose to be between sport and cruise while being able to maintain about a 45 minute commute daily
Just buy one of each!!! Easiest way to decide.
Been looking for an LRST 😍 i want a 22 in black ima pull the trigger in 2 weeks
At 5'6 30inch inseam the touring models aren't even an option for me, which is fine since i don't "crush big miles" anyway. Sitting on the low rider st at my dealership moving it side to side does NOT feel like a 700+ pound bike!!! Side note my dealership (Milwaukee Harley) had the new El Diablo and the red definitely pops in person.
I think harleys are old tech and very tractor like not suited to roads in the uk
However that lowrider st has something about it, a wow factor and i really want one
Those bags look tiny compared to my electra glide. I can easily fit 2 6 packs of beer in each case and still have some room. Can you even fit 1 6 pack in the ST bags? They dont look like they open far
I currently have a '22 Low Rider ST after having a '21 RG. The wind protection is better on the RG. I expected that though. The ST is good enough and is way more fun to ride.
Thanks
Can the Low Rider ST bags be switched to the Pan America bags or the non-stretch touring bags? Wish they used the Sportster S display on the Low Rider ST.
I have a 21 FLTRK and wouldn’t trade it for anything. It’s by far the best bike I’ve owned. All that weight on the steering is gone.
Really wish they would have done the Low Rider ST in the new Apex paint scheme. That would be so bad.
Great reviews, real time rider info, My question for You is can You get analog gauges for the Fxlrst, and do away with the tiny speedo?
Yes you can. Some people buy the road glide gauges and mount them on top of the bar clamp. Usually requires a whole new bar setup. It can be done but it isn’t cheap or easy.
I always appreciate your videos Matt
Thanks for watching.
If harely had put a little bigger faring on the sport glide the same style that it comes with my option they would still be selling them in the usa.the sport glide handles like a dream.my opinion again the sport glide looks much better than the lowrider. Just my opinion!!
I think you’re right. If the sport glide had this fairing on it then it would be about 80% the same bike. It would just be missing the dual front disc brakes and 117 motor. The sport glide is a great handling bike.
I’ll take Both!
Thanks for the comparison Matt.
If you ride solo always, even long distance, especially, if you are light and travel light.. I would say the Low Rider ST is way better unless you are huge on tech. I am sort of a minimalist, so I preferred that, but not everyone is that way.
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I really hope those who painted those 1500 models got a handsome amount of pay and recognition.
They did a solid job for sure
How about putting a tour pak on the low rider st. Some have done it even though HD doesn't show one to fit. But they are way better than putting up with strapon bags. I'd like to know exactly what is needed.
Okay thanks for the comment. We’ve done it many times. Maybe we can do a video about that
Whats a good wind deflector for my 2011 fxdf which has an after market single headlight
Hi guys, I want a low rider ST because I'm a light weight 150lbs 5'9" .... I know the Road Glide fairing is going to be a better fairing and deflect more wind when I do my 300 mile weekend ride at highway speed. I like the "clean" wind to keep me cool in summer, but I HATE helmet buffeting. Do you think the LR ST will cause me helmet BUFFETING? I'm not able to get a test ride in my country, so your opinion is greatly appreciate. Thanks guys for putting such great content out there for us 👍
That’s a really hard question to answer because there are so many variables like what helmet how tall your torso relative to the top of the fairing. I’d get the bike based on what you’ve said and make adjustments from there like different windshield or seat or helmet
@@MattLaidlaw thanks Matt, really appreciate the response. You're the man.
Lowrider ST… The fairing was clearly developed with airflow management and pressure relief in mind. The airflow above the fairing and tiny windshield makes for a lot of noise and buffeting around the helmet. Even at speeds starting at 50 mph. Could use a much taller screen above the fairing. The instrument strip… really? Cruise control would be nice. Monster 117 means I did not have to shift above 3k. Ocean of torque. Would add a taller seat. A great bike overall.
Great Review as always!
Good stuff Matt,if you're not glading you ain't riding. 🤙🏼🤙🏼
from an engineering standpoint, the softail frame is the onlty truly modern fame harley makes. ...this is why for me is always softail.
I love my RGS. Wouldn't trade it for anything
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Hey Matt....I am buying a new Lowrider for my 62nd birthday next month. My last bike was a StreetGlide I sold 15 years ago and have not been on a bike since. Knowing the new lowriders have a 117 engine and is lighter weight makes this the perfect bike for me. Just out of curiosity is the standard fairing on the lowrider sufficient for a person 5'7"? I will be wearing a full face helmet. Back in the day I rode with a $10 brain bucket. You get wiser as you get older.
First off congrats. To answer your question - in most cases, no, the stock little quarter fairing isn’t going to give you much of any wind deflection. It’s mostly for looks. At high speeds you’re gonna get the full wind in the face. Either enjoy the wind or get the p&A fairing with a taller windshield on it. Or if you’re gonna do serious touring get the low rider ST
@@MattLaidlaw Hey Matt….thanks for quick reply. And I should have mentioned that I am buying the LowRider ST. Seems perfect for cruising around town yet has the features that will allow me to ride comfortably on longer distance rides. I am NOT a cross country type rider so don’t need a big touring bike. I live in Austin TX and the Texas Hill Country had to be some of the nicest places to ride in the country. Plus you get to ride year round so very stoked to be back on the saddle again soon. Thanks again for your wonderful informative videos🙏
Road glide’s rear suspension is garbage , even with an ohlins. It’s just poorly designed with a short travel.
Always great info! Just recently got a 2022 fxlrs.....👍
Matt, is the Diablo and the Lowrider ST. the same platform?
Yes it is. The Diablo has the Rockford fosgate stereo and really nice paint. Overall, mechanically it’s the same bike.
Nice video guys ,At Ocean City i was test ridding and just can,t do pegs any more lol Have a great weekend.
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WHY CAN'T YOU USE THE ROADGLIDE FRONT FAIRING ON THE ST? AND IS THERE THE RT FAIRING TO FOR THE LOWRIDER? I LIKE A BIG FAIRING ON THE LOWRIDER WITH LOUD MUSIC ON IT, AND A BACKREST WITH A HARDBAG ON BACK, JUST FOR LONG RIDES! THANX
WISH I COULD PUT THESE TWO TOGETHER TO MAKE A BIKE!
Thanks for making this informative comparison video
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Nice video sir best of luck
Your assessment are for people who are big like you all. I have low rider ST and it’s perfect for me as a smaller person. Road glide is to big and heavy.
Hy matt. I think you ve compared both when you test ride for the first time the fxlrst
I did talk about it during that video. Do you think this video was over kill on the topic?
Matt you've seen the paint work on many a new Harley Davidson. Do certain models paint hold up better than others? Is it me, or does it seem crazy to spend over 25 large on a Harley Davidson with a plain paint job? How can H-D sell a MC without standard pinstriping? Because people accept everything guys like Brad Richards design without question, maybe. I would have a gray bike only if it was candy paint. Making a MC to match a battleship went out of style in the 50's, and all your customers are saying they like it, but do they? Or are they being forced to like it because they have no other choice? Has H-D always been so short on colors?
They all hold up very well. HD has industry leading paint quality.
Paint is a personal preference. A lot of People hates it when HD puts the pin stripe on bikes. Some don’t. It’s hard to please everyone.
@@MattLaidlaw LMAO! Ain't that the truth! But Harley Davidson isn't about pleasing every body, is it?
El Diablo looks to be just an FXLRST with a paint job that Harley will sell for more than 10k than the standard FXLRST imo
Nice review keep up the good work
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ROAD GLIDE ALLLLLL DAY
but I feel more comfortable on the SG but the RG is the best looking bike by far
The fairing is just so damn far away feeling on the RG. I’m sure with a few miles on it .. would be all good.
Currently I’m good with my 2019 FLHR.
Yo Matt.. do u know if the Motor company is ever going to go back to the hydraulic clutch ?
Was thinking when I upgraded in a few years I’ll gotta find a 2020 (last year of the hydraulic clutch yes?)
I didn’t like the hydraulic clutch all that much when I first got the 2019. Never rode a bike with anything but a cable clutch.
I didn’t like how the start of friction zone was so damn far out. Put on one of those Softbrake clutch levers and since then I fell in love with the hydraulic clutch. It’s so damn precise. Feels so smooth.
I’m sure Hd went back to the cable for cost savings
I'm not a fan of the new fairing.... I didnt like the road glide either and now I own one. Things can grow on you. My 2021 roadglide limited fltrk has air flow ducts past the head light on either side that have no flaps to close them. Ive had bees make the trip through and smack me in the face. The wind noise is a lot more noticeable. After a 500 mile day my ears are ringing eeeeeeeeeeee. I miss my batwing. I have a 14" clockworks windshield that lands about my chin. Im not sure I could drop my head far enough to avoid a flying object.
The problem with the with the Low Rider ST is no GPS and now way to add one either.
Garmin
My english is bad , but low Rider means low pilot . These boys are so tall . I think a médium or low guy stay confortable in the ST .