Shout out to Kolbe's try, Looked like a perfectly good advert for rugby to me. I was on the edge of my seat screaming at the TV. Plus the way Morne Steyn kicked the winning penalty again, after he did it 12 years prior. Such a great feel good story. The kicking game was absorbing and lead to two springbok tries in the second game. If anything it was the lions who seemed to be obsessed with beating the springboks at their own game.
This whole idea that the play was ugly is wrong. It was tense, and had drama. The springboks defense was just superb and I loved the scrum battle to. The Lions had ample opportunities to win the last test and take home a victory.
No, the refs were stopping play checking every tackle from the starting whistle of the first test game. Watch it again. It was not Rassie's video that started it. Officiating was a disgrace. Well below par of even club rugby.
No, Rassie did us a huge favour by directing our attention to disgraceful refereeing and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the level of incompetence we are dealing with. Unlike the Catholic Church and the Police, I don't believe that covering up the evil deeds of the institution is acceptable or fair, the ref needs to be punished, not Rassie.
"Evil deeds" of the rugby referees being compared to the sexual abuse of children by the catholic church... Emm, ok... *looks nervously for the nearest exit*
Just a question so if, Gatland came before the Tour started and ask if all controversy be kept out the press, and Rassie the started to complain about the match officials before a ball has even been kicked. Then to add insult you had 26 incidents Reffing bad calls against you, and not one in your favor, a Ref that turned his back twice on your Captain, to talk to the other Captain, offsides given against your team when they actually on sides, does the ref not actually have to see that you off sides? Then to add insult to injury he doesn't give off sides to the other team that is actually off sides. You dont think the British media and Fans would have been incensed. I think we all don't mind losing but to lose in such an Biased way is unexpectedly. Our Saffa media is Gutless.
So Garland did not complain about Marius Jonker. The Rassie video was made because Nick avoided a meeting with the South African coaching staff on Sunday. The issues Rassie pointed out in the video would have been kept private IF Berry did not avoid a meeting. Also do you disagree with issues Rassie raised ? You would have to agree with 26/27 of the points he made
@@panayiotisladas161 He didn't avoid a meeting. Feedback isn't given back till Tuesday, which is fine. What is the issue with not working on a bloody sunday? Rassie's request was, frankly, unreasonable.
Gatling complaining and the kak referring the dirty Llions players is why Rassie made the vid. You.lost because we were better. Now sit down keep quiet and try again in 12 years
@@christopherwitbooi2641 I'd say it was not such a case of we were better than they were worse. They had every opportunity to close out that third test by half time but the cocked up all their chances, not taking 3 points on offer, butchering a clear overlap, taking out Siya in front of the ball in a maul... yeah that was their cock up, not our good work. But we'll take the win anyway :)
@@MiniMatthew so you admit that a large reason SA lost the first test was not because of their own mistakes but rather poor officiating which therefore would justify Rassie's saltiness? With a fair ref the series would have been 4-0 including the SA A game and that's just embarassing.
Boks won because they were the better side. They may even have won without trying to intimidate the ref. But at the end of the day that was Rassie’s game and he did I it to great effect. If he was a fair man he would have shown all the ref’s errors . But he isn’t. He just wanted pressure on the Ref. Gatland is no different but at least he didn’t bleat about it being for the good of the game.
Rassie is a Legend. You can moan for the next 12 years about his video but in one hour he put an end to bullshit officiating. If it were the lions on the receiving end of those rubbish calls gatland would have taken his usuall moaning to the next level.
Agreed. What Rassie didn't isn't just for SA, it's for every other team, every other bad ref in the past and future. Hopefully things will be changing in that regard for the future.
There was no 'joy' either for the Lions warm-up game against SA A, nor with the 2nd Test and 3rd Test... I get it why you feel so pathetic. Where is the fun in 'that'? Totally get your bad vibes... 1/4. It seems that the bad spirit amongst players and supporters since the days of the RWC 2019 prevails with this tour's ending? Lion players ought to fight for every scarp. The Boks took their chances and turned it into points. That is how you win. Simple. Get the scoreboard ticking over. The Lion players in the decisive test let you down...big time! They failed you on the field of play. The Boks created magic with Steyn. That is the beauty of rugby. Get over your looser mentality, which is a disgrace. We shall not forget some England players who ripped off their silver medals in disgust at RWC 2019. This attitude in future games will not do you any good as a supporter or player. The fear factor of loosing games is a demon. I think the Lions in the 3rd test did magnificent! You should be proud and lift yourselves out of this gloom. Winning on the day comes from scoring the most points! And that was Steyn.
@@Crankza I mean Nigel Owens doesn’t agree with you but what does he know about refereeing international games of rugby. Should leave it all up to some saffa on insta
The referee was biased in the first match! 26 decisions is far too much errors for a professional rugby match. I’m sorry you are upset but I am also upset about the referee in the first match. I felt that Siya wasn’t given the same access to the Ref. I’m glad the boys stood up for themselves and didn’t keep quiet about the unfair treatment. You must stand up for yourself if treated unfairly. Lions played well in the third match and would have taken a lot of learning from this series. The Boks are number 1 and Jaques Nienaber is the head coach and is brilliant. Hopefully he gets the credit he deserves and is nominated for coach of the year when the awards come out! Eben bossed the lions and showed his world class pedigree - Siya was brilliant! And Cheslin showed his magic. Give credit were it is due. Lions showed excellent play in the third match when Fin came on and could have won it also. The third test was nail biting and could have gone either way but Boks took their chances when they had them - that’s why they brought in Steyn for the kicking - to take those chances!
The referee was poor, all round.There were 4 potential penalties in the first 5 minutes of the first test. What Rassie did was very much in character and equally dishonourable. I also dislike Gatland's approach, probably more so. I'm looking forward to the rugby championship to see the true titans of world rugby face off. This comment comes from NH, btw, we're not all biased!
@EJRK 99 Gatland started it with all his drops in the media after the sa a game. There was an agreement that the teams would not do that. Gatland was influencing the ref and sa kept quiet. Then came the first test which if you are not blind was a shocker and biased. Kolisi was totally disrespected too. Then came the kak because world rugby refused to acknowledge any of this. Rassie can hold his head high knowing that he changed the status quo and gave the boys a fighting chance.
Nick Berry showed his hand with two huge mistake. The knock-on, he called just scrum when the lions player the ball from offside position. That is not a 50-50 decision but really obvious and clear. And the tip tackle. Nick Berry made his own bed by informing Bok management that he will not allow the tugging over rugs and then allowed the lions to do that. I am sorry but this was necessary for someone to speak up. All the other decisions of the ref's was maybe just mistakes but really easy decisions mistakes was inexcusable. It was still proper test as the name say, it should not be easy . I wonder if this video would have ever seen the light if the lions won? You only get limited chances in test between teams of equal strength and that's how it should be. In the 3rd Test the lions attempted to open up the game when Russell came on but Boks defence refused to crack.
Good commentary about the series - Rassie's video was very shocking to see - was mind-blowing - just how the ref got everything wrong and would not engage with Bok captain yet giving all consideration to Lions captain - quiet bizarre - but as you said it - I agree with you - I think this video rattled the Lions and they lost 2nd test and thought they would win 3rd and then ....came Cheslin's try and Morne's kicking - and Jones appeared to be a bad sportsman in his interview after the match - quite surprised by his attitude - oh well its a strange world now compared to 2009
The problem is the refs get paid and they must be held at a higher level than players in many ways. 1. If players play crap they get roasted and might even loose their place in the team. 2. If coaches loose test matches they get roasted in public and can loose their job. Why must refs be allowed to stuff up and not be held accountable in public? If they doing their job free of charge then no problem but they get paid ... So like coaches and plays refs must take what they get and not have things covered up behind closed doors. Good on Rassie for doing this because refs are getting away with far to many things and they make the same mistakes game in and game out affecting the results. After Rassies vid we definately saw a difference in the way they manage the game ... awesome
I wonder if the lions won, would your opinion still be the same? I do agree what Rassie did..why are the refs untouchable, surly as spectators we know the laws and pulling our hair out when refs stuff it up. As paying spectators we feel robbed when they get things wrong, now at least we can see things are done Perhaps they should be scrutinized like players are
Of course it wouldn't. Just like the appalling performance of Jerome Garces (along with SBWs characteristic brain-fade and Beauden Barrett's wayward boot) that helped swing the 2nd Lions test of 2017 in favour of the visitors got lost in the jubilant roar of Northern Hemisphere rugby fans, the gripes and groans now being voiced by salty Lions fans are entirely due to them having convincingly lost the series, and not some pious concern for the future of the game.
@EJRK 99 How many times have the All blacks scored last minute points on their opposition to win games???? We won...quit breaking your little brain over the point margin.
I don't understand how raising issues with referees can be seen as controversial. 26 errors made against one team in an 80 minute game ( only around of 30 minutes of actual play ) is too many to not have the issue raised. Referees have difficult jobs but just like doctors, when they make mistakes they must be held accountable. No subpar refereeing means no video.
@jhdg Is that why we had to wait till 78 minutes into the 2nd half during the third match to finally win the series? And is that why the games were so hard fought and with little opportunity while forwards are scrapping for ball while bleeding? Because they weren't good enough? Were you even around during the last series? You don't know rugby, mate.
Hi mate. You said you wouldn't go through Rassie's 60 minute video. Please do a video where you do go through it. I think it'll clear a lot of things up for everyone. Frankly, people who take issue with Rassie's video do not have the game of Rugby's best interest at heart. They have the interests of the game's governing body in mind. There is a marked difference. This has all been done under a veil of Rassie's unsportsmanlike conduct by holding the referee to account. What Rassie is talking about is actually sportsmanship. A fair and level playing field. A sporting chance,: the idea that seperates our beloved games from the loaded dice and uneven playing fields we dredge through in our day to day. 26 bad calls is not sports. It's not sporting. It needs to be looked at. We keep hearing that because of interpretations of law that you could just as easily make a video of the Lion's getting 26 bad calls. We are yet to see that video. Sure, you could say that it's because the higher ground has been taken. But I have seen some crazy crap on the internet. Midgets having orgies wuth goats while skydiving. Still, I haven't seen a video that supports the theory of a difference in interpretation. Should there even be interpretation in sports? Is that an oxymoron? Rassie's shrewd tactical prowess is as undeniable as his love of the Springboks. But I think he loves the game more.
The Lions fans are left disillusioned, not because off-field antics, but because their team didn’t live up to anywhere near all the pre-tour hype. They can’t accept the reality that the Lions game play was oh-so predictable (but for Finn Russel), that they never really looked like scoring a try, and worse, had no game plan that suited their players. And this was most evident in the last game where they enjoyed a massive advantage in the possession and territory stats. WG’s selection policy was disastrous, especially among the backs… this is evident that DVM was the only back to hold his position across all 3 tests. Compare this to the fruit-salad selection of the 3 pivotal positions - Scrumhalf, Flyhalf and Fullback. The reality is that honest reflection instead of looking for a scapegoat, can really be the only option going forward.
I don't know what it is about rugby without fans but it just sorta takes the complete soul/rythem out of it. And it takes time for players to adapt in a tournament
Like it or not, Rassie had a point to make, it may be an unpopular but it sorted the problem out. That aside, I do think you have a valid point with regards to the spectacle of the games. There is often a lot of spectacle around these big test matches....with a enthesis on "around". Due to the "high stakes" nature of these matches the actual game play on the field tends to tight encounters with very little room for error. As a result, they are generally a bit dull....fantastic quality....but dull. The main exception to the rule is NZ games, because " in New Zeeland... they are good at the ruggas".
Stifling the creativity of the opposition's attack is just... defense. Isn't the whole point of defense in rugby not letting your opponent get very far with possession in hand?
Difference being a few errors...forgivable...but I, as a school ref I was like...that is a crazy decision...it's not supposed to be 'fun' it is pride on the line...a battlefield...too long have players faced tribunals for wrong decisions...time the refs are held accountable!
As much as I don't like the vibe it created I respect that Rassie wants to see change in the quality of decision making, although I fear its going to become a common trend for managers to start doing this now. Take Wales vs England from the last 6 nations for example (2 dubious tries and a slew of questionable penalties), imagine the outcry if Jones had kicked off as much as Rassie did.
Rassie vid was a reaction to Gatland 100% to even the playing field which Gatland skewed to begin with. Wouldn't have happened otherwise. No one ever talks about World Rugby's role in this. NO leadership at WR. No vision. No accountability.
These 3 tests were great tests. Excitement, uncertainty, tough and the games were knife-edge stuff. Both teams put their bodies on the line for their respective countries. The Lions can hold their heads up high.
Exactly. I have little respect for these kind of Northerner fans. Wales and Ireland dominated the 6 nations for a decade under Gatalnd and Schmidt using the exact same style of rugby. They are still rubbing the 97 Lions tour down our throats Coz they won, and it still hurts. But every fukking time they lose they always play the same card, especially when they get manhandled by the Boks. It's ridiculous. Did this clown even mention yhay we haven't played rugby in 2 years?
@@blaquenguni9249 Yeah real bunch of whiners they are. It's "real gritty test match Rugby"... as long as their teams win, otherwise it gets branded as boring.
@EJRK 99 😂 whining and complaining and excuses have been coming in a steady stream since the boks beat the lions. I have no respect for northern hemisphere rugby. You have a single WC. You have to combine a team to be competitive against the Southern Hemisphere and you couldn’t even beat a team who played almost no rugby for the last 2 years. South Africans have no issues losing against the All Blacks. We know how good they are, we respect them, and we treasure victories over them.
@EJRK 99 haha you are really scraping the barrel now for excuses aren’t you? “We play other sports” lol that’s a new one. We also play other sports buddy, we are pretty decent at cricket and it’s extremely popular here, we have fully professional football leagues. In fact football is by far the most popular sport in SA at all levels. What sports do you play? Hurling ? 😂 not our fault your choir boys prefers to run around with wooden clubs.
NGJ and Lions supporters will be pleased to hear that Pieter-Stef du Toit is recovering well from his operation after the late (yellow card) spear tackle (another yellow card) he sustained playing the Lions. Unfortunately he will not be able to tour to the northern hemisphere later this year as he is probably out of action for the rest of 2021
I liked this video a lot. Your sentiments contrasted what the thoughts are here in SA. There can be no doubt that even here, the games were perceived as being boring. However, because we won, it didn't matter so much. Overall, whether Rassie is wrong or not for the video being released, the general sense is he is the coach that has the largest public support for as long as I can remember. Do we idolize him? No, we know he has the ability to do great things and say the things that are on his mind. We respect him for that. Besides, he won: 2019 Rugby Championship, the world cup, and now the Lions Tour. Gatlin is on the back of a horrible run with the Chiefs in NZ and even though taken Wales to new high's doesn't necessarily have the same pedigree. The question that is often overlooked by you Northern Hemisphere punters is the effect Gatlin had on the first test by drawing into question the integrity of an official. Now, if he hadn't done that, would we have seen a different result in the first test? I don't know, but he did have a big impact. What makes Rassie's rant so egregious was his rant was via video while Gatlin's was via the press. Not much is being made of what Gatlin said when his "rant" (for the lack of a better word), because it went through the press, which seems more acceptable. Goodness, then you have the class act of Clive Woodward trying to knock Rassie, forgetting that he did the same thing a few years ago via a PowerPoint presentation to the press. Putting the Ref's aside as well as the off-the-field circus, what must hurt most is the Lions' players were battle-hardened and with the springboks not playing for nearly two years. The Lions lost to undercooked players. Even being at your very best, the Lions couldn't beat the Springboks at their low...
It was still a great honor to see the Boks play the Lions, hats of to both teams who entertained the rugby world, nothing is bigger than these two teams matching up!🇿🇦
@@douglaswright2143 I think the point is that alot of Fijian and Samoan players go to play their club rugby in oz and NZ and end up playing for the Wallabies or All Blacks hence why they are often called out for "poaching" islanders.
Some point from another "internet expert". 1) this lions tour was held without supporters and the supporters make a huge difference. The games lack atmosphere because there was one in the grounds. 2) the tour got almost no headline media coverage as the matches themselves were locked behind a paywall in the UK, and had to compete against the friggen Olympics (which also suffered because of no crowds). 3) The boks are accused of playing boring rugby when they've score the most tried at the most recent RWC, and every try on this Lions tour was off the backline plays. The Lions scored 2 tries by grinding it out. 4) The Boring Boks scored only 3 points less than the AB did against the Lions in 2017. 3 point I guess makes a series much more interesting. 5) Most of the complaints against the Boks are that their defence is too good. I find that an amazing complaint. 6) The Rassie vid was overkill but I agree would not have happened without the Gatland TMO bollocks. 7) The Video calls to attention several almost meaningless problems but 3 red card offences. Things so dangerous they can affect players careers. WR should have taken steps before Rassie did. That officiated wasn't acceptable. Long story short: The Tour will go down as "contentious" in a difficult era, and probably largely forgotten about in time.
The media in UK Media had the Lions pumped up that they had to win as did Warren Garland. Too much pressure against the World Champions. Garland was desperate for his knighthood
@@robertjohnston1795 Gatland* Rassie did have some good points in the video and instead of improving communication World Rugby wants to take on Rassie. If the Referee gives a penalty or does not give one he should be able to justify it. They are able to make mistakes but need to learn from them and hence cannot make the same mistake week in week out. The Referees need to communicate better.
I am a Springbok supporter, but what Rassie did, was unprofessional. World Rugby made the big mistake by having a South African TMO, it could have prevented that whole debacle from happening.
You can miss me with that, I'm with Rassie on this. Gatland and World Rugby can't expect everyone to be the bigger person after getting the shorter end of the stick.
Thank you. I have no idea why the TMO needs to be in SA, anyway. For me, and I know this will be unpopular amongst many, what Rassie did was shocking, appalling and definitively brought the game into disrepute. World rugby dithered for too long, and should have stamped over this immediately. Gatland was also "horrible" and brought the game into disrepute by his dreadful negativity. I wonder if he has a Kiwi bone left in his body. At least Finn, by ripping up the Gatland bore book, has restored my faith in what I consider to be a great game.
The only thing sour for me was lack of crowds. The off field drama heightened the hype for me. Saffa here by the way, was Rassie wrong? YES Am I 100% behind him? YES He took 1 for the team, literally! The Boks didn't play for 2 years so no one on our side expected anything wondrous but we still got some magical tries. I love Gatland, but he tried to play our game when he should have brought his own like he did with Wales in the semis.
Heres the thing... World Rugby screwed up when they never had a contingency plan and appointed a South African TMO, Warren Gatland then opened the door to criticizing WR and "influencing" the TMO in the first test and Rassie looked at the open door and kicked it down. Obviously what Rassie did was wrong, and obviously it shouldn't be allowed to happen again, but it has opened the door to honest discussions about how WR handles referees and communicates with teams/coaches/managers and the public. There is nothing wrong with Nick Berry and i don't think anyone looks back at the game with anger toward him (I hope), the failure lies with WR and its important that we talk about it because its not a new issue and World Rugby has ignored the problem for years hoping it would go away. I hope that good will come from what Rassie did.
Even Australian fans have little love for Nic Berry, my dude. I don't hate him, I just think he should be trained better. First thing you're taught in management is that if your employees aren't performing, 8/10 you're doing something wrong as the manager. So WR needs to manage better.
@@Laurentus I think it is! The TMO is protected from any commentary etc . With modern technology , I see no reason why they need to be in the same country
@@douglaswright2143 Oh, I misunderstood your comment. I thought you meant you couldn't see why a TMO from the same hemisphere could be allowed to officiate. Upon reread, you just mean there's no reason for a TMO to physically be in a country. I agree.
So by your own admission, it had nothing to do with the Series, it had to do with the fact that you lost!!!!!! Now that you lost the Series you are blaming it on the hosts and everything other than the players piss poor performance???
The Boks didn't have a season behind them. They had more or less no game-time before this tour. The Lions' players did. Everything on the Boks' side was calculated to slow things down as much as possible to give the players time to catch their breath. So, in summary, the Boks (including Rassie) did exactly what they had to do to win. They created doubt and slowed everything down. Their psychological game simply worked better than Gatland's. Obviously, Lions fans will be upset about that. South Africa for once completely messed with their heads. That's where the tour was lost -- superior mind games, which is basically manipulation. From our side, we're not complaining at all. We'll take the win whichever way we can.
This was one of the most ill-tempered Lions tour. OFF the field. Usually all the niggle is on the field between players. But the off the field really did suck all the joy out of the tour as a whole. And that's not taking away from the players, they did their jobs, the drama was the issue.
Lions I think were their own worst enemy. The came into the test and did not look as though the were convinced on their back three, centre pair or No. 9
We must acknowledge that Test rugby does not and will not appeal everyone. Much like international test cricket. Many people prefer faster, up tempo try fests such as Rugby 7s , and Super Rugby in the same manner that many people prefer T20 and one day international cricket.
Gatland was the first to go after the officials before the first test even started… that just backfired on them. He is the one who put the officials on the spotlight and had he not then the shitty referring of the first test would have just gone down as « refs make mistakes »…
What put me off is that the ref was looking at a transgression against the Boks from no more than 3yrds and he ignored it whilst shortly before penalised the Boks for doing the same. Nope the refereeing was not consistent ie mostly one way.
Gatland started it with all his drops in the media after the sa a game. There was an agreement that the teams would not do that. Gatland was influencing the ref and sa kept quiet. Then came the first test which if you are not blind was a shocker and biased. Kolisi was totally disrespected too. Then came the kak because world rugby refused to acknowledge any of this. Rassie can hold his head high knowing that he changed the status quo and gave the boys a fighting chance.
COVID make it suck and everyone just seemed a bit up tight about everything. It made the games a bit harder to take in and it was probably the most toxic tour in a while. New Zealand 2017 was just vibes and some entertaining rugby yk
@NGJ, this opinion may appear a bit strange and you'd be forgiven not understanding it. But let's start from the beginning. You started to hit the nail on the head referring to Rassie's hour long video being a Political Checkmate by he and then Siya confirming that the captain had not been respected. If Covid hadn't intervened, I have a very strong feeling that SA Rugby wanted to focus on the strength of diversity in the South African game. And gently, without thrusting it down so many throats, reflect on the history of the game in South Africa and how (for the past 20 years) SA has actually been playing a weakened form of the game. Weakened, because it did not enjoy the full integrated diversity which it enjoys now and which had never existed in the South African game before 1994. Remember, the IRB went ahead with Lions, All Blacks, England, Ireland and Puma tours when the Gleneagles agreement was in place. That sports boycott was because apartheid policies created multiple rugby boards (SARF, SARA etc). And with frankly very little assistance internationally and internally, the SA game has been forced to transform to include everyone. If you had visited South Africa in the 70s and 80s and had the fortune to see the entire game structure in South Africa, you wouldn't only have been impressed by the massive stadiums like Ellis Park, Newlands and others. You would have seen thousands of enthusiastic games on rough township fields and barefoot men playing on stoney, undulating pastures in the rural countryside. If there was any proof that it takes a particular type of spirit to play this game, the proof would have been found in all of these other places, which is so different to anywhere else in the world (except, perhaps the Pacific Islands). And if Rugby is to grow, Rassie and Siya are of the opinion that World Rugby should be tapping into that spirit in other communities around Africa and other parts of the world. So I don't think it was Gatland's whinge about a South African TMO which stirred his hour long video. It was the undercurrent of prejudice, alluding to a "rough" game played by South Africans, put out by the foreign press and backed by pronouncements by many in the Lion's camp. And then to top it off - the clear absence of respect shown to Siya Kolisi by the full on-field refereeing staff in the first test. South African rugby's (SARU) history has a great deal of social issues which it is not proud of. And there is scant evidence that the international rugby world did anything about it. But the South African rugby community has discovered the rich opportunities associated by embracing diversity and we now have a team which reflects that. It wasn't for Siya to point out that a certain amount of prejudice informed the refereeing decisions in the first test, but someone had to do it. That person was Rassie and well it should have been him. It's very difficult to make a point like he did and not be accused of political manipulation - indeed his message wasn't political at all! It was - "let's treat everyone fairly in this game!" - and quietly pointing that out in the silent halls of power doesn't do the message justice. Ask yourself, would Francois Pienaar or John Smit been treated by the rugby officials in the same manner as Siya was in that test? All three were World Cup champions! And in a game which is a spectacle and compelling because it includes people of every body size and physique, there is no place for intended or unintended prejudice. Only good will come from what Rassie did. I don't feel it was a tactic. Well..... maybe a little bit. Erasmus does have a devious mind - that's why it's cool to support his side.
Let me guess, it was ruined because the lions lost. And of course, the honourable "It was Rassie's fault this tour sucked" wihile mentioning Gatland's tantrum over the TMO before the first test (like an afterthought), which started all the off field rubbish. Complaining that Rassie had too much influence with being waterboy - the rules arent stopping him from doing that, any country could choose to do something like that.
If you want to direct people that are new to the sport then Boks vs Lions would never be it. I suggest the ABs vs anyone would be more entertaining and they win most of the time!!
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i remember the lions in 2009 and honestly I was worried every time that they had the ball. This year, just average very average. Should've just played ur attacking game
Not so fun when the ref plays favourites hey??. That second test was a historical disgrace to international rugby. This would've been a 3-0 victory to the Boks. Why not make a video on that instead of this sob story with hilarious sad music in the background.
@@theultimatesharpshooter6734 Yeah, this is what brings kids to play rugby instead: constant goal kicking in exhibition games where literally nothing of consequence is at stake. 🙃
@@theultimatesharpshooter6734 oh come on, I’m fine with decent tactical games but these were devoid of any desire to attack. The lions 10 passed twice in the second test, and how many times did the worlds best wing get the ball? Constant stop/start, the ball was in play only 26mins in the final text.
@@varnster9438 You have to look at it in context: - 2 of the most conservative coaches going at each other - Backdrop of covid - High stakes - South African defence causes teams to play like this, yes even the All Blacks make more errors than usual when they play the Springboks.
Great to see you back. Hateful respect for basically a negative approach to the game stiffle opposition and slow game down. This despite them having some of the most exciting stacking wingers in world rugby.
how's this a negative approach to the game? I don't think any approach should be deemed more superior than another. Especially if the goal is to win, then you play winning rugby. Even if that means slowing the game down though the Boks have come out to say this is not deliberate. It's also not as if the bok wingers weren't used. Kolbe, Mapimpi, Nkosi all scored tries agains the Lions in the 4 test and warmup matches.
@@ernesth5457 I see what you are saying and as an English fan may be throwing stones from my glass House but the matches were not great spectacles. We are going through a period of domanant defence, flowing rugby is more attractive. By having a game with little ball in play and so many subs allows for this dominant defence based on power rather than finesse. Using Kolby for kick chase is so much bullet than seeing him with ball in hand.
@@danielohara5749 flowing rugby is the responsibility of the attacking side. You cant blame good defense for doing their job. A good defense is just as attractive as a good attack.
@@ezrolly898 I can't really agree, for me seeing a team slow down the game is not attractive to watch. An arm wrestle is tense but lacks the joy of free flowing rugby. Not saying that I did not enjoy when England had a sniffling pack and dominated but to me a a more expansive game is more attractive.
Rassie for President.......exposing poor reffing to World Rugby.....IS A WASTE OF TIME..... No visible action is ever taken. 26 major errors by competent officials in a major rugby game is an absolute disgrace and I fully support its exposure to rugby world supporters . Gatland would still be moaning if the Lions were on the receiving end, as are the shockingly one sided British press who rave about the All Blacks who scored 66 points 4 years ago against the Lions and they drew the series.The Boks scored 65 points and won the Series. Sour grapes if you ask me.
All fair and well but half the supporters haven’t really focused on the Rassie video nearly as much as the other half have. A Lions win would have brought about hubris out of their supporters the likes of which we have never seen.
They came to a country racked by Covid and plagued by political unrest … yet the tour went ahead : I feel sorry for the Lions : it must have been hell stuck in hotels …. It should never have happened: they postponed the Olympics by a year …… Rugby administrators ?? Bumped on the head once too often ???
Springbok fan here, and I couldn't agree with you more. It's just really, really bad taste all the way around what Rassie did... and shocking, really. Such a disappointing tournament from a rugby fan's perspective... already looking forward to the Australia tour in four years, so I can forget about this mess.
It was ruined but not by rassies comments alone. Gatland destroyed it from a lions perspective. Left half the best players at home and played a horrible style of rugby
7:19.."Refs makes mistakes..it happens.." We all accept that..but really...that first test was a disgrace for referering and the game. Stop criticising Rassie..rugby is a professional sport and the level of refereeing should be also.
If the sport of Rugby Union wants fewer penalties, action that ends in quality tries - NOT professional fouls and games settled by the players - NOT difficult refereeing decisions inevitably being incorrectly called, then many 'reactive' laws - rather than 'proactive' in foresight laws - need to be scrapped, in favour of action brought in with full conviction. Like in many sports, various forms official manipulating goes on. How does it be put to a firm full-stop? Well, rather than half-heartedly trying to deal with player wrongs, if a player does something very unfortunate, no cards; the ref says "Go!" and the player has ten seconds to completely vanish from the pitch, or for every 11th, 12th, 13th second in failure to comply, that player spends an hour cleaning sewers. Not only does this remove the glorification that is the sean bean, the professional foul will be seen as a game loser - NOT winner. Then offer team captains with more players on the pitch (due to opposing wrongdoing) the option of 8-vs-8 uncontested scrums to punish the need for such sanction by creating overlaps in the player's absence. Another aspect of the game that has gone completely downhill in the 21st century is too many subs. Yes, if a player gets seriously injured,it's in everyone's interest that he/she leaves the pitch ASAP and is replaced, but as a certain former England centre, who correctly predicted South Africa as "dark horses" for the 2019 RWC after that 20-11 defeat in Cardiff, November 2018, has recently said that Rugby Union teams should be able to field a bench of 8/9 reserve players, but only 3 may participate in one single game. This would rubberstamp against any lingering temptation for coaches to instruct players to commit professional fouls (that ruin great tries being scored) by the fact that fewer subs could share the workload burden of the starting XV, as the fear of losing players to injury would effectively stop tactical subs altogether. With this, more twenty-two-to-twenty-two tries being attempted and slower, less durable players being exposed more clearly, in favour of quick, imaginative play, leads established entirely through penalty-kick accumulation could be wiped out by just one moment of sheer team magic. This wouldn't necessarily end the conservative nature of rugby, but simply make the tactical on-field nature of the game more meaningful and worthy of viewers' loyalty and concentration - knowing 0-9 can become 7-9 in a flash. It would also change the culture of beating opponents for the right methods, not wrong/unfortunate - something which would make introducing the sport to young people a more appealing/rewarding duty, in schools and in clubs.
They got together for the tour much longer than South Africa did. They had more recent game time together, and much greater match fitness. The lions get better as the tour progresses, so IMO the Lions were crap because of Garland trying to play SA at their own game when they had a more physical team.
Liked and subbed as soon as I saw you acknowledged that Rassie's video wouldn't have happened without Gatland's shit. One thing though, you acknowledge Rassie as a genius, and then succumb to the doublethink that so many Lions fans did: you believe Jaco Johan is Rassie, even though it would be literally the most obvious, dumbest move to make to name your burner account with your first name as a last name and give it practically no followers. Not very characteristic of a genius, now, is it? Almost as if Jaco Johan isn't Rassie Erasmus...
I will never understand why do Anglos care so much about a series of Barbarians games every four years. Everyone was whining over the refs of a couple of All-Star matches, JFC! All I care about is that they robbed us of Kwagga Smith, Cheslin Kolbe and Rosko Specman in the Olympics, hope at least they got paid properly. I don't think this tour happening was a miracle, definitely felt more like a curse, lol.
Hiya mate, I loved this, you are clearly a big rugby fan and you articulated a lot of my thoughts and emotions about this series. The only thing I would be careful about is the use of the word "genius", particularly when it is applied to pragmatism. The boks are incredibly brave,incredibly aggressive, generally defensive and they look to intimidate and suffocate the opposition. There is nothing wrong with that, and it challenges the opposition to innovate (just look at NZ). The only "genius" we saw was, apart from Kolbe, when Finn took the field with 30 minutes to go in the first half, unbridled by his coaches, and simply played what was in front of him. Unfortunately, Gatland got to him at half time (I have this on good record) and we moved again towards sludge, negativity and supposed "professionalism".
I still don't understand why Gatland didn't just play to his player's strengths though? We as South Africans normally scream at our players through the telly of they make mistakes rather than the ref most of the time and we get that sometimes mistakes are made in officiating, but bloody hell that first test was a disaster. Anyway, the last test was just incredible! Lions played very, very well! Shame they didn't take it home this time it was really theirs for the winning
I was never good in the first place to be ruined. It was always crap unfortunately. South African rugby is just unadulterated thuggery with very little rugby skill.
Gatland open up the Pandora box with his comment before the first test, then Rassie responded and gave the Springboks the upper hand by backing the ref into the corner and taking the pressure off his players. The game was slow because Rassie knows how Gatland likes to play against The springboks that's why I think the game was so similar to the 2019 semi final against Wales. The series was a series of tug of war between the two teams and I understand your frustration but you need to take look at it from another preceptive. A bit like the 2019 final people really forget how good the SA defense is (that's why lions could only scored twice in 3 games) and how the SA don't play open rugby until they fully break down the other team. So it was a tight contest till the end. it's still early and everyone emotion is still running high but I think a lot simpler than what everyone else is making into.....The boks to their opportunity and the lions didn't.
Nick Berry is a bad ref period ! He must go ! The officials snood Siya away totally disrespectful ! And you just looking for sympathy , not getting any ! Good bye Doris
I reckon the IRB wanted the series to go to a situation where the 3rd test would be the decider in order to maximise profits. So by their calculation the Lions would need to win the first test because they considered SA to be the stronger side. Thus Nic Berry ensured the result of the first test. No matter how you cut it, his decisions were based on alterior motives. You cant tell me for one second that he could have got so much wrong. Its laughable that people turn a blind eye to this nonsense. Its been going on for a while too and not just to SA, so im glad Rassie did what he did because other coaches are going to follow suit until the IRB's agenda gets exposed.
It's intriguing how we sport fans rate offence so high. We look at defence as some party pooper to our enjoyment of Sport. Pretty clear why at some point in our existence, we just had to see that lion feast on that spring--- I mean gladiator. To us ad a species, a human defying the odds and defeating a lion is boring. I had the same dull feeling as the well known turgid playing Germany put seven past step over ball juggling soccer gods Brasil in Brazil, which was very annoying. We can only hope that those negative playing, big, slow and creative ladant Springboks will change their playing style so that other rugby teams can score tries easily and we the fans can enjoy rugby.
Mate you sound like a girl who has a massive crush on you and finally asks you out, and when you reject her she starts pointing out things that are wrong with you. Can you imagine the bs you guys up North would be spewing had England won the World Cup and the Lions edged this series. There'd be zero mention of game play. That sad music suited your sob story well. I've been watching France very closely the last 2 years, they play AMAZING , they play amazing rugby and got all my favorite players in that team, France have won NOTHING in the last 2 years.. Nothing. Should the Boks play like France. GTFOH
Shout out to Kolbe's try, Looked like a perfectly good advert for rugby to me. I was on the edge of my seat screaming at the TV. Plus the way Morne Steyn kicked the winning penalty again, after he did it 12 years prior. Such a great feel good story. The kicking game was absorbing and lead to two springbok tries in the second game. If anything it was the lions who seemed to be obsessed with beating the springboks at their own game.
This whole idea that the play was ugly is wrong. It was tense, and had drama. The springboks defense was just superb and I loved the scrum battle to. The Lions had ample opportunities to win the last test and take home a victory.
I completely agree. Respect from NH
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No, the refs were stopping play checking every tackle from the starting whistle of the first test game. Watch it again. It was not Rassie's video that started it.
Officiating was a disgrace. Well below par of even club rugby.
Totally agree, especially the first test. The video should just shake world rugby to it's core.
Yeah I also have to agree with that in someway I think the bok forwards did the damage but yes it was a bit to much officiating
No, Rassie did us a huge favour by directing our attention to disgraceful refereeing and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the level of incompetence we are dealing with. Unlike the Catholic Church and the Police, I don't believe that covering up the evil deeds of the institution is acceptable or fair, the ref needs to be punished, not Rassie.
Lol for a second there I thought you were saying yous agreed with the church and the police covering up evil deeds haha
he did too much
I bet you're fun at parties.
"Evil deeds" of the rugby referees being compared to the sexual abuse of children by the catholic church... Emm, ok... *looks nervously for the nearest exit*
Just a question so if, Gatland came before the Tour started and ask if all controversy be kept out the press, and Rassie the started to complain about the match officials before a ball has even been kicked. Then to add insult you had 26 incidents Reffing bad calls against you, and not one in your favor, a Ref that turned his back twice on your Captain, to talk to the other Captain, offsides given against your team when they actually on sides, does the ref not actually have to see that you off sides? Then to add insult to injury he doesn't give off sides to the other team that is actually off sides. You dont think the British media and Fans would have been incensed. I think we all don't mind losing but to lose in such an Biased way is unexpectedly. Our Saffa media is Gutless.
So Garland did not complain about Marius Jonker. The Rassie video was made because Nick avoided a meeting with the South African coaching staff on Sunday. The issues Rassie pointed out in the video would have been kept private IF Berry did not avoid a meeting. Also do you disagree with issues Rassie raised ? You would have to agree with 26/27 of the points he made
@@panayiotisladas161 He didn't avoid a meeting. Feedback isn't given back till Tuesday, which is fine. What is the issue with not working on a bloody sunday? Rassie's request was, frankly, unreasonable.
Gatling complaining and the kak referring the dirty Llions players is why Rassie made the vid. You.lost because we were better. Now sit down keep quiet and try again in 12 years
@@christopherwitbooi2641 I'd say it was not such a case of we were better than they were worse. They had every opportunity to close out that third test by half time but the cocked up all their chances, not taking 3 points on offer, butchering a clear overlap, taking out Siya in front of the ball in a maul... yeah that was their cock up, not our good work. But we'll take the win anyway :)
British people are just salty they lost, this has nothing to do with Rassie or the video.
Rassi made the video because he was salty 😂😂 we lost due to our own mistakes which makes it harder to swollow
@@MiniMatthew so you admit that a large reason SA lost the first test was not because of their own mistakes but rather poor officiating which therefore would justify Rassie's saltiness? With a fair ref the series would have been 4-0 including the SA A game and that's just embarassing.
@@MiniMatthew Bro you're a clown if you believe Rassie was salty!!! SA are world champs and just won the series 🤷🏽
Boks won because they were the better side. They may even have won without trying to intimidate the ref. But at the end of the day that was Rassie’s game and he did I it to great effect. If he was a fair man he would have shown all the ref’s errors . But he isn’t. He just wanted pressure on the Ref. Gatland is no different but at least he didn’t bleat about it being for the good of the game.
Suddenly you didn’t enjoy the tour after the lions lost .
Rassie is a Legend. You can moan for the next 12 years about his video but in one hour he put an end to bullshit officiating. If it were the lions on the receiving end of those rubbish calls gatland would have taken his usuall moaning to the next level.
Agreed. What Rassie didn't isn't just for SA, it's for every other team, every other bad ref in the past and future. Hopefully things will be changing in that regard for the future.
Agreed. Rassie is a legend! And Boks are the best! Go bokke 🎉🇿🇦
A legendary Narcissist
@douglas wrong, your pain will only last another 12 years before groundhog day kicks in again or maybe Steyn😂😂😂😂🏆🏆
@@bernardwelff8089 Let's just put him on ice for 12 year's time. Wasn't it wonderful?
There was no 'joy' either for the Lions warm-up game against SA A, nor with the 2nd Test and 3rd Test... I get it why you feel so pathetic. Where is the fun in 'that'? Totally get your bad vibes... 1/4. It seems that the bad spirit amongst players and supporters since the days of the RWC 2019 prevails with this tour's ending? Lion players ought to fight for every scarp. The Boks took their chances and turned it into points. That is how you win. Simple. Get the scoreboard ticking over. The Lion players in the decisive test let you down...big time! They failed you on the field of play. The Boks created magic with Steyn. That is the beauty of rugby. Get over your looser mentality, which is a disgrace. We shall not forget some England players who ripped off their silver medals in disgust at RWC 2019. This attitude in future games will not do you any good as a supporter or player. The fear factor of loosing games is a demon. I think the Lions in the 3rd test did magnificent! You should be proud and lift yourselves out of this gloom. Winning on the day comes from scoring the most points! And that was Steyn.
If Lions had won you would have been saying something different..
If lions won surely it would have really highlighted how weird and pedantic the reffing was in the second test despite still making lots of errors
@@Ben_Dover15 maybe
@@takaedzachirowodza601 yup there wouldn't be all this talk about the game being in danger.
@@Crankza the high tackle or when he took Murray out in the air? The knock on by Am or the tackle by Faf.
@@Crankza I mean Nigel Owens doesn’t agree with you but what does he know about refereeing international games of rugby. Should leave it all up to some saffa on insta
The referee was biased in the first match! 26 decisions is far too much errors for a professional rugby match. I’m sorry you are upset but I am also upset about the referee in the first match. I felt that Siya wasn’t given the same access to the Ref. I’m glad the boys stood up for themselves and didn’t keep quiet about the unfair treatment. You must stand up for yourself if treated unfairly. Lions played well in the third match and would have taken a lot of learning from this series. The Boks are number 1 and Jaques Nienaber is the head coach and is brilliant. Hopefully he gets the credit he deserves and is nominated for coach of the year when the awards come out! Eben bossed the lions and showed his world class pedigree - Siya was brilliant! And Cheslin showed his magic. Give credit were it is due. Lions showed excellent play in the third match when Fin came on and could have won it also. The third test was nail biting and could have gone either way but Boks took their chances when they had them - that’s why they brought in Steyn for the kicking - to take those chances!
The referee was poor, all round.There were 4 potential penalties in the first 5 minutes of the first test. What Rassie did was very much in character and equally dishonourable. I also dislike Gatland's approach, probably more so. I'm looking forward to the rugby championship to see the true titans of world rugby face off. This comment comes from NH, btw, we're not all biased!
@EJRK 99 Gatland started it with all his drops in the media after the sa a game. There was an agreement that the teams would not do that. Gatland was influencing the ref and sa kept quiet. Then came the first test which if you are not blind was a shocker and biased. Kolisi was totally disrespected too. Then came the kak because world rugby refused to acknowledge any of this. Rassie can hold his head high knowing that he changed the status quo and gave the boys a fighting chance.
Nick Berry showed his hand with two huge mistake. The knock-on, he called just scrum when the lions player the ball from offside position. That is not a 50-50 decision but really obvious and clear. And the tip tackle. Nick Berry made his own bed by informing Bok management that he will not allow the tugging over rugs and then allowed the lions to do that. I am sorry but this was necessary for someone to speak up. All the other decisions of the ref's was maybe just mistakes but really easy decisions mistakes was inexcusable. It was still proper test as the name say, it should not be easy . I wonder if this video would have ever seen the light if the lions won? You only get limited chances in test between teams of equal strength and that's how it should be. In the 3rd Test the lions attempted to open up the game when Russell came on but Boks defence refused to crack.
Good commentary about the series - Rassie's video was very shocking to see - was mind-blowing - just how the ref got everything wrong and would not engage with Bok captain yet giving all consideration to Lions captain - quiet bizarre - but as you said it - I agree with you - I think this video rattled the Lions and they lost 2nd test and thought they would win 3rd and then ....came Cheslin's try and Morne's kicking - and Jones appeared to be a bad sportsman in his interview after the match - quite surprised by his attitude - oh well its a strange world now compared to 2009
Trumpted only by Gatland throwing Russell under the bus!
The problem is the refs get paid and they must be held at a higher level than players in many ways.
1. If players play crap they get roasted and might even loose their place in the team.
2. If coaches loose test matches they get roasted in public and can loose their job.
Why must refs be allowed to stuff up and not be held accountable in public? If they doing their job free of charge then no problem but they get paid ...
So like coaches and plays refs must take what they get and not have things covered up behind closed doors.
Good on Rassie for doing this because refs are getting away with far to many things and they make the same mistakes game in and game out affecting the results. After Rassies vid we definately saw a difference in the way they manage the game ... awesome
I wonder if the lions won, would your opinion still be the same?
I do agree what Rassie did..why are the refs untouchable, surly as spectators we know the laws and pulling our hair out when refs stuff it up.
As paying spectators we feel robbed when they get things wrong, now at least we can see things are done
Perhaps they should be scrutinized like players are
Of course it wouldn't. Just like the appalling performance of Jerome Garces (along with SBWs characteristic brain-fade and Beauden Barrett's wayward boot) that helped swing the 2nd Lions test of 2017 in favour of the visitors got lost in the jubilant roar of Northern Hemisphere rugby fans, the gripes and groans now being voiced by salty Lions fans are entirely due to them having convincingly lost the series, and not some pious concern for the future of the game.
Refs just make mistakes? Tip tackles just happen? 2x? One expects professional refs to do a professional job!
Strange how the creator only replies to comments that agrees with him...
He is captured.
Cry me a river.
Boks won. Move on.
@EJRK 99 How many times have the All blacks scored last minute points on their opposition to win games????
We won...quit breaking your little brain over the point margin.
I don't understand how raising issues with referees can be seen as controversial. 26 errors made against one team in an 80 minute game ( only around of 30 minutes of actual play ) is too many to not have the issue raised. Referees have difficult jobs but just like doctors, when they make mistakes they must be held accountable. No subpar refereeing means no video.
Rugby needs drama. Videos like Rassie’s could save the game. You may not agree with it but it got us into sides, the goal of sports
The Lions pushed us to the edge....again. And that's what we'll remember about this series. Hard bastards.
bro that's exactly what people don't want to remember, and use every other nasty excuse to try prove it.
@jhdg Is that why we had to wait till 78 minutes into the 2nd half during the third match to finally win the series? And is that why the games were so hard fought and with little opportunity while forwards are scrapping for ball while bleeding? Because they weren't good enough? Were you even around during the last series? You don't know rugby, mate.
@EJRK 99 Obvious troll....
The Lions tours are some of the hardest matches ever played.
@EJRK 99 Congratulations! You win the internet for the dumbest comments today.
Hi mate. You said you wouldn't go through Rassie's 60 minute video. Please do a video where you do go through it. I think it'll clear a lot of things up for everyone.
Frankly, people who take issue with Rassie's video do not have the game of Rugby's best interest at heart. They have the interests of the game's governing body in mind. There is a marked difference. This has all been done under a veil of Rassie's unsportsmanlike conduct by holding the referee to account. What Rassie is talking about is actually sportsmanship. A fair and level playing field. A sporting chance,: the idea that seperates our beloved games from the loaded dice and uneven playing fields we dredge through in our day to day. 26 bad calls is not sports. It's not sporting. It needs to be looked at. We keep hearing that because of interpretations of law that you could just as easily make a video of the Lion's getting 26 bad calls. We are yet to see that video. Sure, you could say that it's because the higher ground has been taken. But I have seen some crazy crap on the internet. Midgets having orgies wuth goats while skydiving. Still, I haven't seen a video that supports the theory of a difference in interpretation. Should there even be interpretation in sports? Is that an oxymoron?
Rassie's shrewd tactical prowess is as undeniable as his love of the Springboks. But I think he loves the game more.
The Lions fans are left disillusioned, not because off-field antics, but because their team didn’t live up to anywhere near all the pre-tour hype. They can’t accept the reality that the Lions game play was oh-so predictable (but for Finn Russel), that they never really looked like scoring a try, and worse, had no game plan that suited their players. And this was most evident in the last game where they enjoyed a massive advantage in the possession and territory stats. WG’s selection policy was disastrous, especially among the backs… this is evident that DVM was the only back to hold his position across all 3 tests. Compare this to the fruit-salad selection of the 3 pivotal positions - Scrumhalf, Flyhalf and Fullback. The reality is that honest reflection instead of looking for a scapegoat, can really be the only option going forward.
I don't know what it is about rugby without fans but it just sorta takes the complete soul/rythem out of it. And it takes time for players to adapt in a tournament
Believe me, the ones of us who had tickets are even more gutted
Like it or not, Rassie had a point to make, it may be an unpopular but it sorted the problem out. That aside, I do think you have a valid point with regards to the spectacle of the games. There is often a lot of spectacle around these big test matches....with a enthesis on "around". Due to the "high stakes" nature of these matches the actual game play on the field tends to tight encounters with very little room for error. As a result, they are generally a bit dull....fantastic quality....but dull. The main exception to the rule is NZ games, because " in New Zeeland... they are good at the ruggas".
Stifling the creativity of the opposition's attack is just... defense. Isn't the whole point of defense in rugby not letting your opponent get very far with possession in hand?
Difference being a few errors...forgivable...but I, as a school ref I was like...that is a crazy decision...it's not supposed to be 'fun' it is pride on the line...a battlefield...too long have players faced tribunals for wrong decisions...time the refs are held accountable!
As much as I don't like the vibe it created I respect that Rassie wants to see change in the quality of decision making, although I fear its going to become a common trend for managers to start doing this now. Take Wales vs England from the last 6 nations for example (2 dubious tries and a slew of questionable penalties), imagine the outcry if Jones had kicked off as much as Rassie did.
Rassie vid was a reaction to Gatland 100% to even the playing field which Gatland skewed to begin with. Wouldn't have happened otherwise. No one ever talks about World Rugby's role in this. NO leadership at WR. No vision. No accountability.
These 3 tests were great tests. Excitement, uncertainty, tough and the games were knife-edge stuff. Both teams put their bodies on the line for their respective countries. The Lions can hold their heads up high.
Because your team lost
Exactly. I have little respect for these kind of Northerner fans.
Wales and Ireland dominated the 6 nations for a decade under Gatalnd and Schmidt using the exact same style of rugby.
They are still rubbing the 97 Lions tour down our throats Coz they won, and it still hurts. But every fukking time they lose they always play the same card, especially when they get manhandled by the Boks.
It's ridiculous.
Did this clown even mention yhay we haven't played rugby in 2 years?
@@blaquenguni9249 Yeah real bunch of whiners they are. It's "real gritty test match Rugby"... as long as their teams win, otherwise it gets branded as boring.
@@blaquenguni9249 haven't played in 2 years and half the Bok camp had Covid a week before the 1st test, only lost by 5 points with a biased ref. Ouch.
@EJRK 99 😂 whining and complaining and excuses have been coming in a steady stream since the boks beat the lions. I have no respect for northern hemisphere rugby. You have a single WC. You have to combine a team to be competitive against the Southern Hemisphere and you couldn’t even beat a team who played almost no rugby for the last 2 years. South Africans have no issues losing against the All Blacks. We know how good they are, we respect them, and we treasure victories over them.
@EJRK 99 haha you are really scraping the barrel now for excuses aren’t you? “We play other sports” lol that’s a new one. We also play other sports buddy, we are pretty decent at cricket and it’s extremely popular here, we have fully professional football leagues. In fact football is by far the most popular sport in SA at all levels. What sports do you play? Hurling ? 😂 not our fault your choir boys prefers to run around with wooden clubs.
NGJ and Lions supporters will be pleased to hear that Pieter-Stef du Toit is recovering well from his operation after the late (yellow card) spear tackle (another yellow card) he sustained playing the Lions. Unfortunately he will not be able to tour to the northern hemisphere later this year as he is probably out of action for the rest of 2021
I liked this video a lot. Your sentiments contrasted what the thoughts are here in SA. There can be no doubt that even here, the games were perceived as being boring. However, because we won, it didn't matter so much. Overall, whether Rassie is wrong or not for the video being released, the general sense is he is the coach that has the largest public support for as long as I can remember. Do we idolize him? No, we know he has the ability to do great things and say the things that are on his mind. We respect him for that. Besides, he won: 2019 Rugby Championship, the world cup, and now the Lions Tour. Gatlin is on the back of a horrible run with the Chiefs in NZ and even though taken Wales to new high's doesn't necessarily have the same pedigree.
The question that is often overlooked by you Northern Hemisphere punters is the effect Gatlin had on the first test by drawing into question the integrity of an official. Now, if he hadn't done that, would we have seen a different result in the first test? I don't know, but he did have a big impact. What makes Rassie's rant so egregious was his rant was via video while Gatlin's was via the press. Not much is being made of what Gatlin said when his "rant" (for the lack of a better word), because it went through the press, which seems more acceptable. Goodness, then you have the class act of Clive Woodward trying to knock Rassie, forgetting that he did the same thing a few years ago via a PowerPoint presentation to the press.
Putting the Ref's aside as well as the off-the-field circus, what must hurt most is the Lions' players were battle-hardened and with the springboks not playing for nearly two years. The Lions lost to undercooked players. Even being at your very best, the Lions couldn't beat the Springboks at their low...
It was still a great honor to see the Boks play the Lions, hats of to both teams who entertained the rugby world, nothing is bigger than these two teams matching up!🇿🇦
Maybe NZ rugby does churn out great players and OZ does too, I wonder what's Samoa and Fiji perspective in that regard 🤔
Really good point. Samoa and Fiji have provided the greatest of the great!
@@douglaswright2143 I think the point is that alot of Fijian and Samoan players go to play their club rugby in oz and NZ and end up playing for the Wallabies or All Blacks hence why they are often called out for "poaching" islanders.
Corruption
@@bhfilmmaking Give recent examples?
welcome back bro
Some point from another "internet expert".
1) this lions tour was held without supporters and the supporters make a huge difference. The games lack atmosphere because there was one in the grounds.
2) the tour got almost no headline media coverage as the matches themselves were locked behind a paywall in the UK, and had to compete against the friggen Olympics (which also suffered because of no crowds).
3) The boks are accused of playing boring rugby when they've score the most tried at the most recent RWC, and every try on this Lions tour was off the backline plays. The Lions scored 2 tries by grinding it out.
4) The Boring Boks scored only 3 points less than the AB did against the Lions in 2017. 3 point I guess makes a series much more interesting.
5) Most of the complaints against the Boks are that their defence is too good. I find that an amazing complaint.
6) The Rassie vid was overkill but I agree would not have happened without the Gatland TMO bollocks.
7) The Video calls to attention several almost meaningless problems but 3 red card offences. Things so dangerous they can affect players careers. WR should have taken steps before Rassie did. That officiated wasn't acceptable.
Long story short: The Tour will go down as "contentious" in a difficult era, and probably largely forgotten about in time.
Fair comments. I am a Bok supporter and, while I am happy about the results, I do wish that the off field stuff did not feature as much.
The media in UK Media had the Lions pumped up that they had to win as did Warren Garland. Too much pressure against the World Champions. Garland was desperate for his knighthood
@@robertjohnston1795 Gatland*
Rassie did have some good points in the video and instead of improving communication World Rugby wants to take on Rassie. If the Referee gives a penalty or does not give one he should be able to justify it. They are able to make mistakes but need to learn from them and hence cannot make the same mistake week in week out. The Referees need to communicate better.
@@muppet50yago36 100%
Fin russel should change his name to fun Russel
I am a Springbok supporter, but what Rassie did, was unprofessional. World Rugby made the big mistake by having a South African TMO, it could have prevented that whole debacle from happening.
You can miss me with that, I'm with Rassie on this. Gatland and World Rugby can't expect everyone to be the bigger person after getting the shorter end of the stick.
Thank you. I have no idea why the TMO needs to be in SA, anyway. For me, and I know this will be unpopular amongst many, what Rassie did was shocking, appalling and definitively brought the game into disrepute. World rugby dithered for too long, and should have stamped over this immediately. Gatland was also "horrible" and brought the game into disrepute by his dreadful negativity. I wonder if he has a Kiwi bone left in his body. At least Finn, by ripping up the Gatland bore book, has restored my faith in what I consider to be a great game.
The only thing sour for me was lack of crowds.
The off field drama heightened the hype for me.
Saffa here by the way, was Rassie wrong? YES
Am I 100% behind him? YES
He took 1 for the team, literally!
The Boks didn't play for 2 years so no one on our side expected anything wondrous but we still got some magical tries.
I love Gatland, but he tried to play our game when he should have brought his own like he did with Wales in the semis.
Heres the thing... World Rugby screwed up when they never had a contingency plan and appointed a South African TMO, Warren Gatland then opened the door to criticizing WR and "influencing" the TMO in the first test and Rassie looked at the open door and kicked it down. Obviously what Rassie did was wrong, and obviously it shouldn't be allowed to happen again, but it has opened the door to honest discussions about how WR handles referees and communicates with teams/coaches/managers and the public. There is nothing wrong with Nick Berry and i don't think anyone looks back at the game with anger toward him (I hope), the failure lies with WR and its important that we talk about it because its not a new issue and World Rugby has ignored the problem for years hoping it would go away. I hope that good will come from what Rassie did.
Even Australian fans have little love for Nic Berry, my dude. I don't hate him, I just think he should be trained better. First thing you're taught in management is that if your employees aren't performing, 8/10 you're doing something wrong as the manager. So WR needs to manage better.
I still don't understand why the TMO needs to be in the same hemisphere, let alone within the same city.
@@douglaswright2143 Is this a serious comment?
@@Laurentus I think it is! The TMO is protected from any commentary etc . With modern technology , I see no reason why they need to be in the same country
@@douglaswright2143 Oh, I misunderstood your comment. I thought you meant you couldn't see why a TMO from the same hemisphere could be allowed to officiate. Upon reread, you just mean there's no reason for a TMO to physically be in a country. I agree.
I really hope the Lions get back to their original form 👍
So by your own admission, it had nothing to do with the Series, it had to do with the fact that you lost!!!!!! Now that you lost the Series you are blaming it on the hosts and everything other than the players piss poor performance???
The Boks didn't have a season behind them. They had more or less no game-time before this tour. The Lions' players did. Everything on the Boks' side was calculated to slow things down as much as possible to give the players time to catch their breath. So, in summary, the Boks (including Rassie) did exactly what they had to do to win. They created doubt and slowed everything down. Their psychological game simply worked better than Gatland's. Obviously, Lions fans will be upset about that. South Africa for once completely messed with their heads. That's where the tour was lost -- superior mind games, which is basically manipulation. From our side, we're not complaining at all. We'll take the win whichever way we can.
This was one of the most ill-tempered Lions tour. OFF the field. Usually all the niggle is on the field between players. But the off the field really did suck all the joy out of the tour as a whole. And that's not taking away from the players, they did their jobs, the drama was the issue.
Lions I think were their own worst enemy. The came into the test and did not look as though the were convinced on their back three, centre pair or No. 9
We must acknowledge that Test rugby does not and will not appeal everyone. Much like international test cricket. Many people prefer faster, up tempo try fests such as Rugby 7s , and Super Rugby in the same manner that many people prefer T20 and one day international cricket.
Refs make mistakes. A pattern of incompetence and negligence is not a mistake.
Gatland was the first to go after the officials before the first test even started… that just backfired on them. He is the one who put the officials on the spotlight and had he not then the shitty referring of the first test would have just gone down as « refs make mistakes »…
What put me off is that the ref was looking at a transgression against the Boks from no more than 3yrds and he ignored it whilst shortly before penalised the Boks for doing the same. Nope the refereeing was not consistent ie mostly one way.
Music to cry to
Gatland started it with all his drops in the media after the sa a game. There was an agreement that the teams would not do that. Gatland was influencing the ref and sa kept quiet. Then came the first test which if you are not blind was a shocker and biased. Kolisi was totally disrespected too. Then came the kak because world rugby refused to acknowledge any of this. Rassie can hold his head high knowing that he changed the status quo and gave the boys a fighting chance.
all people will remember is the result (and morne's kick) and not the off field tyrades.
COVID make it suck and everyone just seemed a bit up tight about everything. It made the games a bit harder to take in and it was probably the most toxic tour in a while. New Zealand 2017 was just vibes and some entertaining rugby yk
@NGJ, this opinion may appear a bit strange and you'd be forgiven not understanding it. But let's start from the beginning. You started to hit the nail on the head referring to Rassie's hour long video being a Political Checkmate by he and then Siya confirming that the captain had not been respected.
If Covid hadn't intervened, I have a very strong feeling that SA Rugby wanted to focus on the strength of diversity in the South African game. And gently, without thrusting it down so many throats, reflect on the history of the game in South Africa and how (for the past 20 years) SA has actually been playing a weakened form of the game. Weakened, because it did not enjoy the full integrated diversity which it enjoys now and which had never existed in the South African game before 1994.
Remember, the IRB went ahead with Lions, All Blacks, England, Ireland and Puma tours when the Gleneagles agreement was in place. That sports boycott was because apartheid policies created multiple rugby boards (SARF, SARA etc). And with frankly very little assistance internationally and internally, the SA game has been forced to transform to include everyone.
If you had visited South Africa in the 70s and 80s and had the fortune to see the entire game structure in South Africa, you wouldn't only have been impressed by the massive stadiums like Ellis Park, Newlands and others. You would have seen thousands of enthusiastic games on rough township fields and barefoot men playing on stoney, undulating pastures in the rural countryside. If there was any proof that it takes a particular type of spirit to play this game, the proof would have been found in all of these other places, which is so different to anywhere else in the world (except, perhaps the Pacific Islands). And if Rugby is to grow, Rassie and Siya are of the opinion that World Rugby should be tapping into that spirit in other communities around Africa and other parts of the world.
So I don't think it was Gatland's whinge about a South African TMO which stirred his hour long video. It was the undercurrent of prejudice, alluding to a "rough" game played by South Africans, put out by the foreign press and backed by pronouncements by many in the Lion's camp. And then to top it off - the clear absence of respect shown to Siya Kolisi by the full on-field refereeing staff in the first test.
South African rugby's (SARU) history has a great deal of social issues which it is not proud of. And there is scant evidence that the international rugby world did anything about it. But the South African rugby community has discovered the rich opportunities associated by embracing diversity and we now have a team which reflects that. It wasn't for Siya to point out that a certain amount of prejudice informed the refereeing decisions in the first test, but someone had to do it. That person was Rassie and well it should have been him.
It's very difficult to make a point like he did and not be accused of political manipulation - indeed his message wasn't political at all! It was - "let's treat everyone fairly in this game!" - and quietly pointing that out in the silent halls of power doesn't do the message justice.
Ask yourself, would Francois Pienaar or John Smit been treated by the rugby officials in the same manner as Siya was in that test? All three were World Cup champions! And in a game which is a spectacle and compelling because it includes people of every body size and physique, there is no place for intended or unintended prejudice.
Only good will come from what Rassie did. I don't feel it was a tactic. Well..... maybe a little bit. Erasmus does have a devious mind - that's why it's cool to support his side.
Let me guess, it was ruined because the lions lost. And of course, the honourable "It was Rassie's fault this tour sucked" wihile mentioning Gatland's tantrum over the TMO before the first test (like an afterthought), which started all the off field rubbish. Complaining that Rassie had too much influence with being waterboy - the rules arent stopping him from doing that, any country could choose to do something like that.
Nice video dude
If you want to direct people that are new to the sport then Boks vs Lions would never be it. I suggest the ABs vs anyone would be more entertaining and they win most of the time!!
SA WISHES iTOJE WELL ON RECOVERY FROM THE CARPET BURN HE RECEIVED WHILST KNEELING ON THE BEARDED NECK OF A SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY PLAYER IN THE RECENT LIONS GAME
i remember the lions in 2009 and honestly I was worried every time that they had the ball. This year, just average very average. Should've just played ur attacking game
Not so fun when the ref plays favourites hey??. That second test was a historical disgrace to international rugby. This would've been a 3-0 victory to the Boks. Why not make a video on that instead of this sob story with hilarious sad music in the background.
They were too obsessed with beating the Boks even before the tour started, and that's not only the Lion players
The games were dire and the off field antics reduced the game of rugby to a laughing stock. Kids watching that would not be inspired to play rugby.
Don't talk rubbish, if running rugby makes kids play rugby then Australia would be overflowing with new rugby fans.
@@theultimatesharpshooter6734 Yeah, this is what brings kids to play rugby instead: constant goal kicking in exhibition games where literally nothing of consequence is at stake. 🙃
@@theultimatesharpshooter6734 oh come on, I’m fine with decent tactical games but these were devoid of any desire to attack. The lions 10 passed twice in the second test, and how many times did the worlds best wing get the ball? Constant stop/start, the ball was in play only 26mins in the final text.
@@Personal_Chizo I mean, football is exactly what you describing and it is by far the most popular sport in the world.
@@varnster9438 You have to look at it in context:
- 2 of the most conservative coaches going at each other
- Backdrop of covid
- High stakes
- South African defence causes teams to play like this, yes even the All Blacks make more errors than usual when they play the Springboks.
"proper hateful respect"?
As a fan, I don’t wanna respect them, but I have to cause there just the best 🤷🏽♂️😅
Great to see you back. Hateful respect for basically a negative approach to the game stiffle opposition and slow game down. This despite them having some of the most exciting stacking wingers in world rugby.
how's this a negative approach to the game? I don't think any approach should be deemed more superior than another. Especially if the goal is to win, then you play winning rugby. Even if that means slowing the game down though the Boks have come out to say this is not deliberate. It's also not as if the bok wingers weren't used. Kolbe, Mapimpi, Nkosi all scored tries agains the Lions in the 4 test and warmup matches.
@@ernesth5457 I see what you are saying and as an English fan may be throwing stones from my glass House but the matches were not great spectacles. We are going through a period of domanant defence, flowing rugby is more attractive. By having a game with little ball in play and so many subs allows for this dominant defence based on power rather than finesse. Using Kolby for kick chase is so much bullet than seeing him with ball in hand.
@@danielohara5749 flowing rugby is the responsibility of the attacking side. You cant blame good defense for doing their job.
A good defense is just as attractive as a good attack.
@@ezrolly898 I can't really agree, for me seeing a team slow down the game is not attractive to watch. An arm wrestle is tense but lacks the joy of free flowing rugby. Not saying that I did not enjoy when England had a sniffling pack and dominated but to me a a more expansive game is more attractive.
@@danielohara5749 fair enough. A matter of perspective i guess.
Im sick of getting screwed by revs. You will see New Zealand will gett the benefit of the d all the time.
This is why Rassie did what he did.....
Yes they all have it in for you. Poor things.
Rassie for President.......exposing poor reffing to World Rugby.....IS A WASTE OF TIME..... No visible action is ever taken. 26 major errors by competent officials in a major rugby game is an absolute disgrace and I fully support its exposure to rugby world supporters . Gatland would still be moaning if the Lions were on the receiving end, as are the shockingly one sided British press who rave about the All Blacks who scored 66 points 4 years ago against the Lions and they drew the series.The Boks scored 65 points and won the Series. Sour grapes if you ask me.
Cry for another 12 years. So we must change the way we played to give other people a chance to play their style...
Oh wow, 3 NGJ Rugby videos in 1 week! You've been productive/fired.
It was never going to be a classic with all the crap leading up to it.
An average tour with COVID and everything, but it still delivered beyond expectations.
All fair and well but half the supporters haven’t really focused on the Rassie video nearly as much as the other half have. A Lions win would have brought about hubris out of their supporters the likes of which we have never seen.
It was great rugby, I enjoyed every moment. You seem salty
They came to a country racked by Covid and plagued by political unrest … yet the tour went ahead : I feel sorry for the Lions : it must have been hell stuck in hotels …. It should never have happened: they postponed the Olympics by a year …… Rugby administrators ?? Bumped on the head once too often ???
1st test is over the moon with win, after that, needs safe space to crawl into cause loosing and now a problem.
Totally agree with everything including Colbe’s mastery of the dark arts. Thank you
Springbok fan here, and I couldn't agree with you more. It's just really, really bad taste all the way around what Rassie did... and shocking, really. Such a disappointing tournament from a rugby fan's perspective... already looking forward to the Australia tour in four years, so I can forget about this mess.
Springbok fan that's really looking forward to Oz tour so that he can forget his own teams series victory..... LOL LOL
It was ruined but not by rassies comments alone. Gatland destroyed it from a lions perspective. Left half the best players at home and played a horrible style of rugby
7:19.."Refs makes mistakes..it happens.." We all accept that..but really...that first test was a disgrace for referering and the game. Stop criticising Rassie..rugby is a professional sport and the level of refereeing should be also.
If the sport of Rugby Union wants fewer penalties,
action that ends in quality tries - NOT professional fouls
and games settled by the players - NOT difficult refereeing decisions inevitably being incorrectly called,
then many 'reactive' laws - rather than 'proactive' in foresight laws - need to be scrapped,
in favour of action brought in with full conviction.
Like in many sports, various forms official manipulating goes on.
How does it be put to a firm full-stop?
Well, rather than half-heartedly trying to deal with player wrongs,
if a player does something very unfortunate, no cards;
the ref says "Go!" and the player has ten seconds to completely vanish from the pitch, or for every 11th, 12th, 13th second in failure to comply, that player spends an hour cleaning sewers.
Not only does this remove the glorification that is the sean bean,
the professional foul will be seen as a game loser - NOT winner.
Then offer team captains with more players on the pitch (due to opposing wrongdoing) the option of 8-vs-8 uncontested scrums
to punish the need for such sanction by creating overlaps in the player's absence.
Another aspect of the game that has gone completely downhill in the 21st century is too many subs.
Yes, if a player gets seriously injured,it's in everyone's interest that he/she leaves the pitch ASAP and is replaced,
but as a certain former England centre,
who correctly predicted South Africa as "dark horses" for the 2019 RWC after that 20-11 defeat in Cardiff, November 2018,
has recently said that Rugby Union teams should be able to field a bench of 8/9 reserve players,
but only 3 may participate in one single game.
This would rubberstamp against any lingering temptation for coaches to instruct players to commit professional fouls
(that ruin great tries being scored) by the fact that fewer subs could share the workload burden of the starting XV, as the fear of losing players to injury would effectively stop tactical subs altogether.
With this, more twenty-two-to-twenty-two tries being attempted
and slower, less durable players being exposed more clearly, in favour of quick, imaginative play,
leads established entirely through penalty-kick accumulation could be wiped out by just one moment of sheer team magic.
This wouldn't necessarily end the conservative nature of rugby,
but simply make the tactical on-field nature of the game more meaningful and worthy of viewers' loyalty and concentration -
knowing 0-9 can become 7-9 in a flash.
It would also change the culture of beating opponents for the right methods, not wrong/unfortunate -
something which would make introducing the sport to young people a more appealing/rewarding duty, in schools and in clubs.
The Lions team were crap remember they only got together as a team 3 or so weeks ago the Springbok had built there current team over a period of years
They got together for the tour much longer than South Africa did. They had more recent game time together, and much greater match fitness. The lions get better as the tour progresses, so IMO the Lions were crap because of Garland trying to play SA at their own game when they had a more physical team.
Liked and subbed as soon as I saw you acknowledged that Rassie's video wouldn't have happened without Gatland's shit. One thing though, you acknowledge Rassie as a genius, and then succumb to the doublethink that so many Lions fans did: you believe Jaco Johan is Rassie, even though it would be literally the most obvious, dumbest move to make to name your burner account with your first name as a last name and give it practically no followers. Not very characteristic of a genius, now, is it? Almost as if Jaco Johan isn't Rassie Erasmus...
I will never understand why do Anglos care so much about a series of Barbarians games every four years. Everyone was whining over the refs of a couple of All-Star matches, JFC!
All I care about is that they robbed us of Kwagga Smith, Cheslin Kolbe and Rosko Specman in the Olympics, hope at least they got paid properly. I don't think this tour happening was a miracle, definitely felt more like a curse, lol.
Hiya mate, I loved this, you are clearly a big rugby fan and you articulated a lot of my thoughts and emotions about this series. The only thing I would be careful about is the use of the word "genius", particularly when it is applied to pragmatism. The boks are incredibly brave,incredibly aggressive, generally defensive and they look to intimidate and suffocate the opposition. There is nothing wrong with that, and it challenges the opposition to innovate (just look at NZ).
The only "genius" we saw was, apart from Kolbe, when Finn took the field with 30 minutes to go in the first half, unbridled by his coaches, and simply played what was in front of him. Unfortunately, Gatland got to him at half time (I have this on good record) and we moved again towards sludge, negativity and supposed "professionalism".
I still don't understand why Gatland didn't just play to his player's strengths though? We as South Africans normally scream at our players through the telly of they make mistakes rather than the ref most of the time and we get that sometimes mistakes are made in officiating, but bloody hell that first test was a disaster. Anyway, the last test was just incredible! Lions played very, very well! Shame they didn't take it home this time it was really theirs for the winning
I was never good in the first place to be ruined. It was always crap unfortunately. South African rugby is just unadulterated thuggery with very little rugby skill.
When in doubt, blame the referees because it's always their fault when your team loses
Yes...But only for the Lions...Sour fkn grapes.
Gatland open up the Pandora box with his comment before the first test, then Rassie responded and gave the Springboks the upper hand by backing the ref into the corner and taking the pressure off his players. The game was slow because Rassie knows how Gatland likes to play against The springboks that's why I think the game was so similar to the 2019 semi final against Wales. The series was a series of tug of war between the two teams and I understand your frustration but you need to take look at it from another preceptive. A bit like the 2019 final people really forget how good the SA defense is (that's why lions could only scored twice in 3 games) and how the SA don't play open rugby until they fully break down the other team. So it was a tight contest till the end. it's still early and everyone emotion is still running high but I think a lot simpler than what everyone else is making into.....The boks to their opportunity and the lions didn't.
Nick Berry is a bad ref period ! He must go ! The officials snood Siya away totally disrespectful ! And you just looking for sympathy , not getting any ! Good bye Doris
wasnt great was it....
I reckon the IRB wanted the series to go to a situation where the 3rd test would be the decider in order to maximise profits. So by their calculation the Lions would need to win the first test because they considered SA to be the stronger side. Thus Nic Berry ensured the result of the first test. No matter how you cut it, his decisions were based on alterior motives. You cant tell me for one second that he could have got so much wrong. Its laughable that people turn a blind eye to this nonsense. Its been going on for a while too and not just to SA, so im glad Rassie did what he did because other coaches are going to follow suit until the IRB's agenda gets exposed.
parochial
Springbucks Won fair and square!!!Bottom line!!!
It's intriguing how we sport fans rate offence so high. We look at defence as some party pooper to our enjoyment of Sport.
Pretty clear why at some point in our existence, we just had to see that lion feast on that spring--- I mean gladiator. To us ad a species, a human defying the odds and defeating a lion is boring.
I had the same dull feeling as the well known turgid playing Germany put seven past step over ball juggling soccer gods Brasil in Brazil, which was very annoying.
We can only hope that those negative playing, big, slow and creative ladant Springboks will change their playing style so that other rugby teams can score tries easily and we the fans can enjoy rugby.
Mate you sound like a girl who has a massive crush on you and finally asks you out, and when you reject her she starts pointing out things that are wrong with you.
Can you imagine the bs you guys up North would be spewing had England won the World Cup and the Lions edged this series.
There'd be zero mention of game play.
That sad music suited your sob story well.
I've been watching France very closely the last 2 years, they play AMAZING , they play amazing rugby and got all my favorite players in that team, France have won NOTHING in the last 2 years.. Nothing.
Should the Boks play like France. GTFOH
Whinging not cool
Thought is was a huge disappointment…..