Why Michael is Stargate's Best Villain

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[@Scicianman]

"all your gods are fake, here are machine guns."
best quote ive heard in a lone time.

[@DarkPhilosopherOG]

Should be the tagline for the series.😂

[@careypridgeon]

In my opinion Ba'al is the best villain. The character went through so many changes he remained relevant and interesting until his final appearance.

[@ArticBlueFox96]

Agreed

[@marcindraco5666]

Well in continue he wasynt even so bad but was betreyd

[@user-fe1gb9uc1t]

Ba'al is the Gul Dukat of Stargate.
He has the flirts with Carter, juts like Kira and Dukat
He's as cunning as Dukat and slippery
Can be your ally when things align for him but can't be trusted not to have a back up plan
He can be funny and charming
attractive in a devilish way
you think he's gone and he has a habit of popping up when you least expect him

[@user-fe1gb9uc1t]

plus, is anyone really sure they got all the clones? :)

[@Sci-Fi-Mike]

​​@user-fe1gb9uc1t , O'Neill says after torture by Ba'al, "You ended that sentence with a preposition. You bastard." It will always be one of my favorite lines. Ba'al is awesome.

[@ohareport]

neck on that

[@Aurora-313]

Best part is Ba'al doesn't fail at every turn like Dukat. So he's far, far more successful as a villain.
Ba'al actually won during the Continuum movie. The only thing he failed to predict was SG1 being in-transit when the timeline shifted.

[@SnarkNSass]

And NOT just because he's Tripp💖

[@dantetre]

It's been a long road.

[@SnarkNSass]

@@dantetre 💖😎👍🏻

[@CantankerousDave]

What’s funny is that Star Trek exists as a show in the SG1 universe (McKay calling Shepherd “Kirk” due to him being an alien babe magnet - and hitting on his sister), so they would know exactly what the Prime Directive is.

[@NATIK001]

The ascended of Stargate also have the Prime Directive and we see the main characters constantly fight against it, to the point that Daniel Jackson chose to go back to his mortal form just to stop having to follow it, and then chose not to ascend when given the chance again because of it.
Basically the Stargate position is clearly that the Prime Directive is bullshit.
Though to be fair the ascended do follow a slightly stronger version of the PD, given that they won't even intervene to protect themselves. The Federation would generally break the PD to defend the Federation, like if the Dominion put military installations on a pre-warp planet the Federation would still take it out and risk the PD. Though I am sure it would involve a lot of hand-wringing and protests filed back at Starfleet command.
Oh, and O'niell also reference Star Trek in wanting to call the Prometheus the Enterprise and Carter shooting it down.

[@MM22966]

"No sir, you can't name our starship 'the Enterprise".....LMAO, Carter, LMAO...

[@thestanleys3657]

No better enemy than the one you create yourself

[@Sci-Fi-Mike]

Well said!

[@dantetre]

Indeed!

[@Warsage29]

While I will agree Michael is one of Stargate's best villans easy top 5 not sure i would agree he is the best, but he certainly had the potential.

[@Zyzyx442]

Michael was almost able to single handely conquer an entire galaxy.

[@dantetre]

Now matter how villain Michael is, he gave us back Dr. Becket from the dead. :D

[@gideonsiete1868]

Baal and Michael were both great and fun villains. It's a testament to the strength of the scriptwriting on SG-1 and SG Atlantis.

[@Legather]

Well I'll give him this, for SGA I don't automatically skip his episodes like I do the Genii ones. I find myself liking Todd more though, a baddie who works with the Atlantis team more often than not but you know they couldn't trust him as far as throw him and we're all waiting for the inevitable.

[@redkommie80]

With Todd, he was the best shot for having some kind of coexistence with the Wraith... but yeah, you coukd not trust him! 😂

[@thereaver8083]

Only reason I still watch most of the Genii episodes is cause of Colm Meaney. "No O'brien! This isn't you!" lol.

[@Legather]

@@thereaver8083 I like him too, just not enough to watch their episodes.
To use another Robert Davi appearance as an example: if you made Die Hard into a series and blended the arrogance and heedless ruthlessness of the FBI agents with the manpower and ineffectuality of the police chief and tried to make them into a credible antagonist, you'd get the Genii.

[@classic.cameras]

Everyone knows the worst Villain was "Senator Kinsley". That fiend.

[@ElectricPickleAttack]

He may have been the most annoying villain, but he wasn't the worst. A villain's job is to provide opposition to the protagonists and to be interesting. That's it. There are a lot of ways that a villain can achieve that goal, in a world with black and white morality they can do this just by being horrifically evil, thus providing contrast to the goody two shoes nature of the protaganists. In a world with more grey on grey morality they can do this by having the same goals and/or values as the protagonists but being willing to do things to achieve those goals that they aren't (Ozymandias from Watchmen). In some cases the antagonist may not even be evil but simply misguided or misinformed (Zuko from Airbender).
You are supposed to dislike Kinsley. That is literally the point of his character, to be a self-serving, duplicitous caricature of every politician you've ever voted for that ended up screwing you over to line his own pockets once he got into office while claiming to represent the "will of the people". That makes him a bad person but not a bad character. If the actor and the writer's goal was to make me hate him and think he was an irredeemable a$$hole than mission accomplished, and every episode he showed up in ended up being interesting as a result. Plus without Kinsey we wouldn't have had that epic scene of the President telling him to shut the hell up.

[@classic.cameras]

@@ElectricPickleAttack nah he was pure evil my friend. 🤣

[@ElectricPickleAttack]

@@classic.cameras Didn't say he wasn't, I literally referred to him as a "self-serving, duplicitous caricature of every politician you've ever voted for that ended up screwing you over". He was, however, interesting, which is an important quality for a recurring villain in a long running series. Barring the occasional annoying clip show episodes he was in, most of his episodes had layers of intrigue and political drama, showing us aspects to how the Stargate program operates and the threats to its existence while giving the SG1 a chance to use a different skill set.
The worst villains frankly are the Goa'uld system lords in general (with a few notable exceptions like Ba'al, Anubis or Yu) because in addition to being evil they are also boring and predictable. Any system lord specific episode is just them ranting about they are gods and making a bunch of textbook mistakes due to ego. When the entire plot relies on the bad guy being too dumb to take sensible precautions against demonstrated threats the obvious question becomes: "How has this idiot managed to stay alive this long?" I mean, why do none of the system lords invest in irises for their Stargates after years of seeing how effective the one on Earth was? I can understand not outfitting every backwater agricultural world with an iris, but their homeworlds and major military bases? The only Goa'uld who actually seems to have figured out that keeping people from being able to launch weapons of mass destruction through their Stargates is Anubis, and maybe Ba'al (I think he used an iris for one base at least). As late as season eight the Trust was able to wipe out entire planets worth of Goa'uld and Jaffa with just a few missiles filled with Symbiote poison, a few irises would have stopped that attack cold.
I can understand WHY the Goa'uld would behave that way, they are used to fighting battles with enemies that are vastly inferior technologically and after thousands of years they are resistant to changing their thinking. But just because I understand why someone is dumb doesn't change the fact that they ARE dumb, or make a character that ISN'T dumb significantly more interesting. Hence why Ba'al, Anubis, Michael are great villains. They were all capable of adapting to the threat posed by the protagonists, utilizing new tactics as old tactics were proven ineffective and they rarely made a mistake twice. Kinsey also used unconventional tactics to threaten the SGC, and on more than one occasion worked with SG1 as an ally of convenience. Is Kinsey my favorite villain? No, but he was much more interesting to me than watching an episode of Apophis ranting and chewing the scenery for 30 minutes.

[@MM22966]

If you think that, then Ronny Cox did his job, per usual! :)

[@ElectricPickleAttack]

@@MM22966 Indeed.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

Sorry that title goes to Bha’al. They guy who played him hammed it up perfectly. He was less baroque than the other system lords and far more devious. He was shown to be a violent sociopath, but never out of hand. Controlled, composed, pompous as hell, he is the best.

[@blueray15]

Might be not exactly "Beckett" but we do get the see the clone Beckett deal with Michael in the later seasons. From the clone's first appearance to any following one he is dealing with his past with Michael, what he was forced to do, etc. Beckett also does try to shot Michael to rescue Talya. The confrontation is interesting to see and Michael admits Carson "wants" to shot him but can't due to his being one of his creations. Which adds another layer to their relationship.

[@lchigoKurosaki]

I love how much Stargate Atlantis threats are straight up Earth's fault lol.

[@MrVivi0001]

I actually found Michael a tad whiny. Now Tod that guy was awesome.

[@tschorsch]

Tod didn't really fit into the villain category.

[@saquist]

@@tschorsch Tod was definitely a Fren-emy

[@thestanleys3657]

Todd was the Wraith version of the Goa'uld Yu

[@jaffarebellion292]

​@@thestanleys3657More like a Wraith version of Ba'al.

[@thestanleys3657]

@@jaffarebellion292 touche. tbf I can see an argument for both Goa'uld being like Todd. Both were the "bad guy" both would help out earth when it benefits them

[@Kaminsod1]

Personally i absolutely hated the character but it was interesting to hear another's view on him.

[@JohnnyWednesday]

I admit during the original broadcastings - I grew weary of Michael episodes. Very serious character building stuff when I was more interested in Atlantis itself. Too few "discovering parts of Atlantis" episodes! with the Athosians I was hoping to see a kind of Babylon 5 setup with many races taking shelter in Atlantis

[@NATIK001]

I liked the character and his arc until it turned into the Tayla baby stuff, at that point I started to check out of the Atlantis arc and stopped religiously following the show.
I can't put my fingers on exactly it was about the arc, but it just turned me off entirely. It might just have been because I disliked Tayla as a character from day 1, but I think it was more the mcguffin chasing being too much at that point, we had spent years chasing Deus Ex Machina/mcguffins at SG-1 at that point and now Atlantis geared up to do the exact same. It just felt like weak writing.

[@CamMcGinn1981]

It's a shame that Aiden Ford never met Michael. That could have been an interesting clash.

[@6atlantis]

Or they might’ve teamed up against Atlantis

[@CamMcGinn1981]

@@6atlantis Intriguing. I doubt it though since Ford wanted to prove himself the last time the real him was seen. I think he'd try to take Michael out for them..

[@6atlantis]

@@CamMcGinn1981 I thought of that but basically every time we saw Ford after his transformation he was trying to redeem himself but always screwed the pooch, even in “runner” he actually trying to redeem himself. So yes the writers would of maybe given him his redemption arc some closure, but my comment was just about a possibility of the two teaming up.

[@billybritt5835]

I recently saw that on of the producers (Joe Malozzi?) said that if there was a Season 6 Michael would have returned for one last showdown.

[@RenegadeShepTheSpacer]

That's actually incredibly stupid.

[@Jessica-sp6rt]

Great video, I really enjoy Michael as a villain. But for me, Kolya is my favourite villain. I love the "Die Hard" two parter were Shepard is using sabotage against the invading Genii to turn the tables, especially the part when he turns on the gate shield while the Genii are sending through troops, Kolya's son being one of the casualties.
I'm still salty about how they wrapped up his story.

[@Thomas-VA]

Clearly it was Rodney All Along, they just didn't realize.

[@countroshculla]

Michael is the best villain in Stargate because he was "created" by the humans trying to find a "cure" or a defense against the Wraith. In the end he was an outcast; shunned by the Wraith as tainted and not trusted by the humans. What else could he do? Hence he became more dangerous and yet sympathetic at times.

[@ds6080]

I liked Sokar Baal from SG1 Todd from SGA

[@6atlantis]

I was never “afraid” of Ba’al, he was an albeit smart but opportunistic Goauld, things kinda always fell into place for him. I was genuinely “scared” of Michael, episodes like Vengeance etc.. really gave me a chill at the time.

[@Vaderian88]

Ba'al and Michael, two of my favourite Stargate villains.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

I really liked Michael and I thought Connor Trinneer did an amazing job of divorcing himself from the character of Trip Tucker. His introduction was an amazing episode. He was such an interesting character with a great physical design, being that midpoint of wraith and human. It was not only his intelligence but his drive that was frightening. The fight between him and Ronan was like T2 with Arnie and Robert Patrick. Robert Patrick does not have the sheer physicality of Arnie but his intensity more than made up for it. The same here.
Someone had already said this in the comment, I hope you give Todd a video of his own. Another character that had potential was SuperFord. No offence to Rainbow Sun Francks but the character was bland and boring, But when he was super strong and hooked on the enzyme, the character was genuinely interesting and could have had so many possibilities.

[@Yama_1291]

This might be a hot take but I was never a big fan of Michael. He just ended up too powerful all by himself and I just dislike omnipotent bad guys. Maybe if they had saved his arch for the very end and didn't bring him back a bunch of times in between I would have liked the character more.

[@timhare9867]

I think he overstayed his welcome as a villain despite a good introduction and backstory. This was symbolic of a bigger problem in my opinion with Stargate Atlantis, in that in throughout the whole series there was no real central antagonist to create an imminent sense of threat to the cast, and what they were trying to protect. (I.e. Earth)
Hence they had to rely more on what I think were always meant to be minor villains to fulfil major roles, that characters like Anubis or an all powerful Wraith Queen with near unlimited access to power and resources should have fulfilled.

[@robsquared2]

"All your gods are fake, here are machine guns." Based. If only people on earth could realize this (hopefully without the machine guns).

[@Deridus]

I dunno. I've been to the mid-east. It might be needed

[@Napoleonic_S]

​@@Deridus
WTF, that ought to be the opposite, lol.

[@Deridus]

@@Napoleonic_S If the bad guys will not abide by regulations, then good guys need to be better armed, better trained, and have better discipline than the opposition.

[@loslobos786]

Which Gods? The traditional ones Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, Buddha or the new Gods? Liberalism, Atheism, Capitalism, Communism, Alphabetism? I find with the exception of the religion of peace the old Gods are alot more forgiving than the New.

[@Napoleonic_S]

@@loslobos786
"I'm a jealous god" -yahweh

[@joen0411]

Michael is an example of earth’s incompetently blind exploration through the stargate. But, he is neither the worst outcome (Ori) or the most dangerous individual. Anubis’s kull warriors were far more dangerous than anything Michael cooked up in his lab. Michael is in the top ten but not top five.

[@sparquisdesade]

Turns out Abydos had a lot of oil, so we had to go liberate them from Ra.

[@loslobos786]

Im inclined to agree with you few episodes have disturbed me more than the flash back one where we see Michael winning the war. Seeing Bad asses like Ronan and Todd basically ending themselves in a Blaze of Glory only to realize that it doesn't matter Michael still won was just a hit to the gut. The guy was no joke.

[@broganfreeman8958]

"Nah, all your gods are fake, here are machine guns!"
Bro, just nearly pissed myself laughing 😂

[@skrugen]

My friend is watching the final series of the show right now and has taken the whole journey starting with the film and is loving it. They will dig this retrospective! I'm going to share 1-4 and the Hero and Villain vids. Thanks

[@ominence9761]

There can only be one- Apophis. This is Charles Tucker the third.

[@amanzeihedioha]

Eh, he got really soap opera towards the end. Especially with Taila, a character I never really meld with. That whole baby thing was the final straw and I said goodbye

[@Alastherra]

I haven't seen SGA in over a decade at this point besides a weird episode here and there. Michael is literally the only villain I recall to impress me to such extent.
When I went to watch the whole Star Trek some time after SGA ended, leaving ENT for last, I literally screamed "Michael!" at the screen when Trip appeared. To leave such strong impression on me for years means a lot lol

[@grallonsphere271]

Never could get into Atlantis sadly.

[@juniordax9777]

Totally agree with you on this. Michael is very complex and compelling as a character and is my first choice for best Stargate villain (the fact that you can feel sympathy for him and even relate to reasons and the methods he employs makes it all the better) My second choice would be Ba'al, the opportunistic, smug often brazen attitude he has sells the character as a love to hate bad guy. Great video.

[@Shervin86]

Only villains that ever made the humans truly fear and almost accept defeat were the replicators in SG1; followed only by Baal in the movie.
No others ever made the humans almost believe they were done for.

[@Einheit091]

Ranking anyone but Ba'al first is just Blasphemy. But the movie did him dirty, regarding his death.

[@careypridgeon]

that movie was a bit on the rubbish side, possibly the reason why no more were made.

[@Einheit091]

@@careypridgeon The scene with the telephone was gold nonetheless

[@subraxas]

(read with Italian-American accent)
"Miiiichaellll! Why did you kill Fredo?" 😀 😛

[@Scandic45]

to me it's either Michael or Anubis if Anubis had been around 1 more season more to really flesh him out he could have worked even better! Michael i feel had he's run since we saw what he could become!

[@tschorsch]

Anubis was super powerful and super boring. He had no arc, and was just the almost invincible, pure evil bad guy. There was no depth to his character, except for the diner scenes.

[@ohareport]

in the words of shanks himself- “he was just an oil slick”

[@taka2721]

My main problem with Michael is that he returns far to many times.
That and the fact that they call him Michael overdramatically instead of sticking to wraith naming conventions and calling him Mike

[@Joemama55122]

Michael has the most interesting arc and story actor is amazing and as Tripp too
Ba'al is prob the most iconic

[@NATIK001]

The Atlantis Expedition would have been treated as a villain faction on Star Trek.
Imagine a species in a near-impregnable city ship who came in from a nearby galaxy. From that city ship they interfere with everyone and everything they can find, carry out genetic engineering experiments, genocide entire civilizations/races and generally just treat everyone else as beneath them.
It was unintentional at every point, but the Atlantis Expedition did generally make life in the Pegasus galaxy worse for everyone else there. They woke the Wraith, they woke the Asuran, they enabled the Vanir reactivating the Aterro device and they generally caused havoc around the place.
To the credit of SG:A they do explore this several times, though it gets muddled by personal vengeance plots with the Genii versions of it.
I don't think the Atlantis Expedition are villains, but they do veer into some really shady stuff at times out of desperation. A smarter, more experienced and advanced space-faring civilization would probably have left Pegasus, at least by the end of season 1 when they could evacuate their personnel. They know that the galaxy is teeming with evil vampire bugmen who want nothing more than to eat every human alive, but that while these evil things know Earth exists, they don't know where it is and don't have technology to get there.
Best bet if they weren't so desperate for technology themselves would be to dismantle Atlantis, shipping as much as possible back to Earth and destroying the rest and then permanently leaving the Pegasus galaxy behind, except maybe for sending BC-304s on recon runs to keep tabs on Wraith developments.

[@jayburn00]

He was interesting at first, but then he sort of entered a mad scientist stereotype, trying to create a superior species to humans or wraith and he began to lose his sympathetic aspect.

[@connycontainer9459]

2:26 skinny Mason Mamoma

[@CantankerousDave]

Back before he turned into a cartoon character. Like seeing Dwayne Johnson in The Rundown, back when he still had a neck. Big, but still human.

[@connycontainer9459]

@@CantankerousDave Was that really him though ?

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The TNG captain voices are as awful to listen to as the Transformer captains were. Sela is the only one possible, but I understand it was actually voiced by Denise Crosby, probably for a tuna sandwich and a coffee in payment.
The game... i honestly cannot recommend it with a clear conscience. There are good things, but in 2024 I don't feel I am missing out on anything when not playing it for a month or two.

[@kevinwestrom4775]

Anubis & Adria were both key villains to the series.

[@rmeddy]

I'm an Anubis fanboy but Michael is up there for me, many Stargate villains are products of "Road to hell is paved with good intentions" actions and he is one of the better examples of that

[@MM22966]

The answer is: Because Tripp is awesome.

[@subraxas]

"Everything is awesome! Everything is cool when you're a part of the team! Everything is aaaawesoooome!!! When you're living out the dream!" 😀

[@KyalJames]

Oof, first the missing mention of Heroes in the SG1 videos, then "Daniel is the REAL hero", now this. It's interesting to know there are "other" stargate fans out there lmao

[@Zyzyx442]

1:08 All your Gods are fake, here's machine guns.
But humanity in SG-1 is basically us today, we are scrapping by, even when we get asgard tech we don't have the industrial capacity to build battleships fast enough to wage intergalactic war against the Replicators, Auri or Wraith. In Star Trek humanity is on easy mode, post scarcity and alliance with the Vulcans.

[@ThisisDD]

Ba'al is my favorite villain personally.

[@spazthespasticcolonel1054]

Have to disagree. Anubis, as played by George Dzundza - a legendary character actor - will always be my favourite. But you touch on a fun problem for SGA: what was the real endgame for the Wraith? They literally need to eat humans, so peaceful coexistence is off the table. That leaves only Ronan's plan of deleting them all, or Beckett's plan of genetically engineering them into being harmless. Both plans end them as a species entirely. I was always curious as to how that would be resolved.

[@ShadeNightwolf]

Could you do a video on the subject of The Burdens of Command, your takes on captains/leaders in Sci-fi who may suffer under the burden of command? I know in the Battlestar Galactica reboot, Adama is definitely one of those characters!

[@Zyzyx442]

Haunted House space ships 😂 man nailed it

[@blue_reaper3498]

Anubis is my God he will return, GODS cannot die. Plus come on, he had style

[@JohnnyWednesday]

Ra from the film had style too - the brilliance of using a professional model to sell the god complex on screen - super cool

[@JohnnyWednesday]

The best individual villain - but as we all know the true villian of Stargate is allergies

[@geographicaloddity2]

I never saw Michael as evil and a pure villain - he was a victim. Yes, he did horrible things but he is more of a chaotic and complex protagonist than pure villain.
Thank you for another thought provoking video.

[@thereaver8083]

I wouldn't call Micheal the best because he was so under-used. He deserved more episodes to really flesh out his story as much of the stuff he did happens off camera.

[@jonathancurran5366]

Michael and Ford were sorta the same idea split into two characters. Both never really amounted to much imo. Atlantis was a mess.

[@nonyabisness6306]

to be fair, part of the reason there is no non-interference policy is because those are all humans, for the most part kept in ignorant slavery.
star trek also allows interference under those circumstances. albeit in one case they chose to not contact a primitive human civilization, in every other encounter they do and offer the humans as much or little help as they want.

[@Gliese380]

Ba'al all the way.

[@timhare9867]

I somewhat agree, though I personally still find Anubis to be the most well rounded of Stargate’s various villains. He was essentially the main antagonist of the Stargate series for the greatest number of seasons even when we thought he was dead. Michael for all his genuine intelligence and well written backstory always felt like a secondary mid-season antagonist, comparable to the Genni or the replicators.
And this is what always irritated me about Stargate Atlantis. As throughout all 5 seasons we always lacked an overriding all powerful villain like Anubis, or the Borg Queen (or Palpatine) if you want another comparable example. And the annoying thing is we already had a very good candidate as a main villain, as the same actress played most of the Wraith Queens, whose main weakness throughout the whole was their disunity. Add to that formula the god like power and technical knowhow that can be granted to mortal humanoids who even achieve partial accession, and we could have had a partially ascended Wraith Queen whose main threat would be her ability to unite the Wraith into one single technologically advanced threat, and the goddess like power she’d achieve if she ever fully ascended. (And we kind of already got partway there with the ancient Wraith Queen they found at the bottom of the ocean, as she was said to have immense psychic power)
This in my opinion would have given Stargate Atlantis the focus and sense of imminent threat and danger to Earth and its allies I always felt the final couple of seasons lacked.

[@tyrannicpuppy]

I have always found the Michael storyline tedious. Ronon was the only one who ever treated Michael seriously as the threat he was. Every time they encounter him, the Expedition did the dumb thing and let him live. It just became a joke by the end that you knew Michael would find some way to come back again later and be a nuisance once again.
I adore Stargate and I never skip any episodes when rewatching, but the Michael stuff is always the closest I come to doing so. He was just boring to me. The idea that he could have come back again in the drafting done for a Season 6 that was discussed recently on Gateworld had me shaking my head. Not only did it come with Kolya also somehow surviving and repairing a Lantean Cityship to full working military state, but we saw Michael fall to his death at the base of the city. How in the hell would he A) not be a splattered mess on the deck, B) sneak all the way back through the city to the gateroom undetected, C) how would the Expedition not make absolutely sure of the deaths in both cases?
Stargate did love to revive dead enemies a bit too often imo. But, I still love watching it again and again.

[@trunkage]

Baal is the better villian. He is the opposite of his kin. Willing to improve and change
Michael has more pathos. I just think the stories he is in aren't as good as Baal's. He has more potential

[@bernadmanny]

Is it time to out myself as...Not a Trekkie.

[@joemck74]

Nah. Ba'al was the dogs bollocks.

[@alexneff]

And somehow the human genes took over he had the urge to travel to earth and found a way to do so via stargate but passed thru a star a was flug back in time settled on earth and took the name Langford eventually meeting his wife and have a daughter they named Catherine

[@killingragethrowback]

INTERGALACTIC superpower. Get it right. Michael is closer to a villainous Lore or Hugh, maybe a bit of Khan, than Dukat. Still think Ba'al is best though.

[@marcindraco5666]

Well did wach somwhere what season 6 of atlantis supoust to be and Well Michel supoust to be alive after his fall to water in atlantis

[@marcindraco5666]

And they wpuld reactivate wier that is stuck in space

[@asliceofloaf1984]

Kinda hated Michael. His origins were cool, and his first few, and maybe final episode was cool, but his obsession with specifically Teyla and her baby legitimately ruined large swathes of Atlantis for me. After the replicators were defeated and Atlantis had powercrept the Wraith, the only existential galactic threat was... Michael cause he wanted to take a baby. The entire expedition and series tunnelvisioned on this one baby instead of saving the galaxy for most of seasond 4 and 5. Also thematically the beet part about the wraith was how overwhelming they were. Michael and his organization seemed really "fragile", which sucked all the danger right out of the encounters. Atlantis COULD have dealt with him, but refused to kill him allowing him to escape every time. His continued survival was just a chain of contrivances and the result of the expedition wanting to "have their cake and eat it too".
The Vanir should have lingered longer and the Wraith should have been recontextualized sooner than the final episode.

[@andrewstewart01]

Yeah, Todd was the best villian. Because you were never sure he was a villian.

[@alanmike6883]

I like Mike too.
Even though he was the enemyz twice they betrayed him.
Do like Baal too though.

[@joegarza4869]

Rowan I seem to disagree with almost everyone of your videos, I do enjoy hearing your point of view, no my friend Micheal was a good villain but is Todd that is the best villain of Stargate Atlantis by far Todd was more enigmatic , capable and menacing. Todd is the master mind villain that always plays the long game , he was older having fought and defeated the Ancients. Todd is the Grand Admiral Thrawn of the Stargate I.P.

[@taka2721]

Todd isn't really a villain of SGA, he's more of a rival but Atlantians and him rarely go against each other

[@signumscaler]

I'm already here...

[@RabbitShirak]

I'm sorry, but this time I have to strongly disagree. Michael was one of the most boring villains I've seen in scifi.

[@Sci-Fi-Mike]

I'm not sure if he's one of the most boring, but I don't find him the most compelling.

[@jayburn00]

He was interesting at first, but then he sort of entered a mad scientist stereotype, trying to create a superior species to humans or wraith and he began to lose his sympathetic aspect.

[@jonahhekmatyar]

Unfortunately for you, history will disagree

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Wait! What? Adria was evil?

[@snakeplisken8665]

Baal is a much better villain than Michael.

[@marsspacex6065]

Disagree sg1 had way better villains (Apophis, Anubis, ba’al etc) . I found Michael to be annoying and stupid.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

I disagree on Michael but do feel the that the System Lords were more interesting and unique than people give them credit for.

[@saquist]

@@marsspacex6065 I agree whole-heartedly.

[@tschorsch]

Anubis was by far the most boring of all of them. Except for the small amount of time he spent in the diner with Daniel, he was entirely predictable and stereotypical.

[@bracesbread01]

Anubis was under untilised ​@@jamesabernethy7896

[@bracesbread01]

​@@tschorschAnubis was my favourite in fairness.

[@Ifinishedyoutube]

Michael is my least favorite character in the thing that I paid attention to least, in Stargate Atlantis. Michael is a field of land mines in a country that is now no longer at war and the poorest of children now dig up the land mines to make a little bit of coin, not even paper.

[@Soguwe]

I find it fascinating that you keep calling the Atlantis Expedition Lanteans
Because they're not. Lantean is a name for a species, not inhabitants of Atlantis.
In the Milky Way they were known as Ancients (or Anquietas in their own language), but in Pegasus they were the Lanteans from the planet Lantea
The Atlantis Expedition is neither. They're humans of the Tau'Ri. They're the second coming of the Ancients, yes, and related enough to be genetically compatible, but they're not Ancients. Not for another few million years

[@saquist]

Rowan...you have the worse takes on ScIfi😅. Michael was easily one of the worse Villains of Stargate. Ba'al was a better Villain. The Ori were waaaay better villains. Tod was a better Villain than Michael, Anubis was a better villain...
Michael was a tedious mustache twirling im -going-to-steal-your-baby-drama badguy. The only thing that annoyed me more than a Michael episode was a Mr. Sinister Episode in X-Men the Animated Series in the 90s (Why?) Because i hate weasel weak bad guys. The good guys keep letting them go or he slips away to worry them another time...its designed to chew time. It's Filler disguised as a continuing story arch.

[@jamesknight3070]

What annoys me is the groundwork existed for Michael to have been an amazing recurring villain, but the execution left much to be desired.
So far as Atlantis is concerned I'd give the top spot to Todd.

[@RabbitShirak]

Agreed. Michael was just BORING.

[@tschorsch]

Michael had a very interesting story arc. He was a victim of an experiment, an escapee, an ally, outcast by the wraith, betrayed by humans, and finally a deranged villain who still actually thought he was doing the right thing.

[@snowfall-love]

Michael is such an unfortunate villain that has you sympathizing with him because of what the Atlantis crew did to him. But I was able to dislike him because of his weird obsession with Teyla.

[@snowfall-love]

I understand his interest in her because of what they have in common. But kidnapping her and trying to experiment on Torren is terrifying.

[@tarn1135]

Micheal was imo the dumbest villain and horribly written. Every episode he’s on I skip it. Yeah he COULD’VE been a great villain but and he had an interesting set up but they made him just another dull bad guy who had a completely idiotic obsession with Tayla and her kid. I should say I thought Tayla was a stupid character who was given way too much importance. Honestly what kind of idiotic command structure would allow a woman (regardless of rank) walk around the command center with a screaming child while people are working? Stupid all the way around. I say all this as someone that loves SGA.

[@M.McCluskey]

Is Anubis a joke to you? 😛

[@khomo12]

👍👍👍

[@cestparti7577]

Tod was the best villian is Sga, Baal the best stargate villian. Michael was a great villian but no Baal .

[@tschorsch]

Todd wasn't really a villain.

[@soldierprincess8422]

The space drow aren’t a good villain

[@Auraborias]

First! For the first time.