I live in a town house and have used regular cymbals and gotten a noise complaint. Got the Zildjian ones for Christmas (also with the Remo silenced heads) and they're amazing! Definitely would recommend.
Also drummers can use hot rod sticks. This will lower the volume even more. To keep the volume on a more even key, Remo Silent Stroke Heads are a excellent choice. Another option for your bass drum using a standard drum head and a TAMA BSQ10S Soft Sound Beater. Again, it comes down to your personal preference.
These are both awesome. Personally I prefer the sabians because they have that real cymbal brightness. After all the goal is to simulate Real playing as much as possible. It's why I don't like playing an electric kit just for quiet's sake
I use the L80s and RTOM Black holes, and the result is a great practice kit for apartment drummers such as myself. I tried out both the quiet tones and L80s and you can't go wrong with neither imo. Go with the Quiet Tones if you still want a brighter, more natural-like feeling cymbals, and go with the L80s if you just want to really tone down the volume. Keep in mind the Quiet Tones are a bit louder than the L80s.
I love my L80 Zildjians!!! Just as a thought, you guys should do a full comparison using Remo Silent Stroke heads also. It's nice to see that we drummers finally have some pretty cool options for bringing the volume down!!!
I've thought about those, but right now I only have the silent strokes on 2 snare drum that are riding in my truck (semi) with me and are not to likely to be played as performance drums any time soon. Plus, I just like the feel of the real rim shots. That is the beautiful thing about freedom of choice, though, we can each choose a different road...
I prefer the Black Holes as well, except on the bass drum. That set up wasn't steady for me so I put a silent stroke on it and liked it better. The good thing about that is I also have an acoustic set that I converted to electronic. I can add a trigger to the bass drum now and use that with the electronic kit. When I want to use the rtoms with the L80's I just take the trigger off and switch it around.
That's the reason I just purchased a silent stroke for my bass drum since there were multiple complaints about the RTOM mounting to the hoop leaving no place for the bass pedal. I'll have to place the drum head back on if I want to gig with my DW, fortunately I have two sets, one for practice and one to gig. For my cymbals for now I just use dead ringers it's like hitting a dead piece of metal but you still get the feel of the cymbals enough to get the song down. I may purchase of set of the Zildjian L80's later.
i have ordered silent strokes and zildjan l80s and they're coming on tuesday along with a tama club jam vintage! Do you think the silent strokes are good and are they difficult to tune?
Sabians are stainless steel vs. a proprietary bronze alloy with the L80's. To me the Sabians are a bit "clangy" metallic (I've played both up close) - Zildjians sound warmer and more pleasing to me. Also check out the Meinl HCS low volume...even though the HCS are a beginners cymbal, the low volume versions are a brass alloy that sounds actually pretty good...
Sabian are louder and sound better to my ears. I normally play A Customs. They need to come out with in between, like a medium volume. Heads too. The mesh heads are just a little too quiet. I don't have people under or next to me, I'm just too loud at night and that's the only time I have sometimes
Thanks so much for the comparisons! I was already leaning towards the Sabian and thi as clinches it for me. I'm actually gonna try using them in the bars and outdoor gigs I play.
Unless there's noise restrictions at the bars and outdoor gigs you play at, I strongly wouldn't recommend in picking these up if your looking for some gigging cymbals. These are more suited for practicing late at night tbh
I have a four piece Remo practice pad kit from probably, the late 60's--early 70's.. which, I love. Would enjoy having some noiseless hihats and a ride to practice with for *RELATIVELY* low-volume..... referring to the Remo practice kit, not the silent cymbals. Actually, disturbed a neighbor in my (next door) apartment with my Remo practice kit. What a major WIMP.
comments below say sabians sound better. sure they do, but we're going for sound suppression here and the L80's are the clear winners. we're going for muscle memory and mechanics for apartment dwellers here and not sound quality, necessarily. ima get the zildjians.
Thank you! Yours is the best comment of the whole thread. Ninety percent of the other comments are discussing their merits in the context of a regular cymbal. They are not designed to sound like regular cymbals. They are designed to provide the experience of using a normal cymbal, but in a quiet way. Kind of funny to see so many people lose sight of that so quickly...
I'd like to hear the silent cymbals recorded close-mic'd (from underneath perhaps). Thinking about a silent band practice setup. Drum trigger module hi hat and cymbal samples always suck. Plus the crappy electronic hi hat pedals have no "in-between" open and close. Wondering if these (mic'd up) would sound better mixed in with the triggered drums.
Thank you much for this video helped alot. It helped because i am looking to get quieter cymbals and this video showed the difference in sound and volume between Zildjian and Sabian. I like some Zildjian cymbals but have leaned towards Sabian due to their "cleaner" sound. But, though the Sabian quiet volume cymbals sounded a little better, i will actually get the Zildjian low volume because they were even still quieter. Plus that rim shot was real cool of which i need to get. Well done and thanks alot.
As a Sabian guy, I'll admit the Zildjin's are a tad quieter however I barely if at all heard any sustain from them, unlike the Sabian's making them sound better.
There is sustain on the Zildjian quiet tone cymbals. They are darker sounding and quieter sounding than the Sabians. The Sabians have a higher "tin" sounding quality than the Zildjians. The feel off the stick from the Zildjian's is great.
Are those all 14" hi-hats? I've seen the Zildjian kit slightly smaller, with 13" hats, that are about $100 cheaper than the one with the 14". And I wonder how much of a difference it makes to the sound
There's gotta be a solution somewhere in between for lower volume electric & acoustic gigs. Sabian FRX is headed in right direction, but still too much alot of the time
I’ve recently bought a 16” and 18” HCS set of meinls. I like them,but they should be listed as low volume. A friend took back his 18” Zildjian medium thin Z cymbal and so I bought two of these to accompany my zbt 14” and 20”...until I’ve saved enough to buy a quality set of cymbals,the company will be chosen at such time. Maybe you guys can help me identify my zildjian hihats? Zildjian never got back to me through emailing the serial number. They’re really thick 14” cymbals and the ink has worn off and I can’t figure out what they are? The bells aren’t lathed,either. Serial # isn’t noticeable,but I think they’re avedis? It’s inked and not stamped. Don’t get me wrong,I like the ZBTs...especially the bell on the ride.
I’ve recently bought a 16” and 18” HCS set of meinls. I like them,but they should be listed as low volume. A friend took back his 18” Zildjian medium thin Z cymbal and so I bought two of these to accompany my zbt 14” and 20”...until I’ve saved enough to buy a quality set of cymbals,the company will be chosen at such time. Maybe you guys can help me identify my zildjian hihats? Zildjian never got back to me through emailing the serial number. They’re really thick 14” cymbals and the ink has worn off and I can’t figure out what they are? The bells aren’t lathed,either. Serial # isn’t noticeable,but I think they’re avedis? It’s inked and not stamped.
I'm so torn. I literally don't know which ones to get. I love the look of the Sabians ad they'll cut thru when im playing with headphones on my electronic kit. But The Zildjians are even quieter so... I think i'll go for volume over looks in the end but i'll save up the money for set & stands first then decide.
For practice equipment at home, equipment that is not meant to go out, looks are at-best of secondary importance. Practice cymbals could look like pieces of cardboard but if the rebound was right I'd use 'em.
Thanks for this. Just made me 100% sure I'll stick with "normal" cymbals. They sound like toys. Not at all a knock on the video, more so just saying the manufacturer has a long way to go.
These aren't for normal purposes: they're for practicing in a quiet environment. It's not reasonable to construct a cymbal that sounds exactly like a normal cymbal but have it be quieter.
Then should make something called quiet drums, i know it’s an oxymoron, but it would be nice to have everything quiet so someone won’t have to leave the room just so you can play drums
am i the only one who thinks the sabians absolutely blow zildjian away on this one?? i can't stand the zildjian i would rather bang on a lid then pay for those things... but that's just me
Here we go again with the "Buy American" stigma! Look Zildjian is a Turkish company so if they employ Americans then that's great but my $ is always going towards Value & Quality!
@@mingmerci6103 I am but I am not anti-China. In fact I use many CHinese-made products myself. Just pointing out the difference in manufacturing origin because generally, but not always, American-made products cost more.
@@callen7436 Actually Zildjian is a 100% American-owned company located in Norwell, Massachusetts, USA, and all our cymbals, from L80 to Planet Z to K Constantinople, are made here in Massachusetts. The company was, of course, founded in Turkey in 1623, but moved to Quincy, Masachusetts in 1929. The Zildjian L80 offer great value and quality, a 2-year warranty, and are quieter than the other similar cymbals on the market.
@@andrewe.schlosser7625 Now that's what I'm talking about! Just researched them and yes they are quieter. Which line do I go with cause I havent been with Zildjian since mid - 90s? Maybe the As??? Anyway, Thank you Andrew!
Finally, a comparison video that establishes a control to compare the quiet cymbals to! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I live in a town house and have used regular cymbals and gotten a noise complaint. Got the Zildjian ones for Christmas (also with the Remo silenced heads) and they're amazing! Definitely would recommend.
Thank you for showcasing the products. I see a lot of "reviews" with people busting out the killer chops and crazy grooves and it's so distracting.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I have a set of L80's for my kit at my house. I love them and they definitely are quiet but still feel like real cymbals
I play the Zildjians along with Aquarian OnHead pads. Great low-volume solution.
Also drummers can use hot rod sticks. This will lower the volume even more. To keep the volume on a more even key, Remo Silent Stroke Heads are a excellent choice. Another option for your bass drum using a standard drum head and a TAMA BSQ10S Soft Sound Beater. Again, it comes down to your personal preference.
very spectacular somebody other than me understands what's good
different feel though. people wanna practice how they're gonna play ie with sticks. but just without the volume
These are both awesome. Personally I prefer the sabians because they have that real cymbal brightness. After all the goal is to simulate Real playing as much as possible. It's why I don't like playing an electric kit just for quiet's sake
ptc5010 Totally agree.
ptc5010 i would probably get a mixed set. I like the Zildjian Hats and Ride, but also the Sabian Crashes
Finally a drum shop guy with a nice touch on the intrument - thank you!
I'm gleeful whenever a person aside from myself realizes what's up
I use the L80s and RTOM Black holes, and the result is a great practice kit for apartment drummers such as myself. I tried out both the quiet tones and L80s and you can't go wrong with neither imo. Go with the Quiet Tones if you still want a brighter, more natural-like feeling cymbals, and go with the L80s if you just want to really tone down the volume. Keep in mind the Quiet Tones are a bit louder than the L80s.
I love my L80 Zildjians!!! Just as a thought, you guys should do a full comparison using Remo Silent Stroke heads also. It's nice to see that we drummers finally have some pretty cool options for bringing the volume down!!!
I prefer the Rtom Black Holes better. You don't need to remove your heads to use em.
I've thought about those, but right now I only have the silent strokes on 2 snare drum that are riding in my truck (semi) with me and are not to likely to be played as performance drums any time soon. Plus, I just like the feel of the real rim shots. That is the beautiful thing about freedom of choice, though, we can each choose a different road...
I prefer the Black Holes as well, except on the bass drum. That set up wasn't steady for me so I put a silent stroke on it and liked it better. The good thing about that is I also have an acoustic set that I converted to electronic. I can add a trigger to the bass drum now and use that with the electronic kit. When I want to use the rtoms with the L80's I just take the trigger off and switch it around.
That's the reason I just purchased a silent stroke for my bass drum since there were multiple complaints about the RTOM mounting to the hoop leaving no place for the bass pedal. I'll have to place the drum head back on if I want to gig with my DW, fortunately I have two sets, one for practice and one to gig. For my cymbals for now I just use dead ringers it's like hitting a dead piece of metal but you still get the feel of the cymbals enough to get the song down. I may purchase of set of the Zildjian L80's later.
i have ordered silent strokes and zildjan l80s and they're coming on tuesday along with a tama club jam vintage! Do you think the silent strokes are good and are they difficult to tune?
Great video!
Thank you for the side by side by side comparison style - it really puts into perspective the differences to expect.
Thank you for watching!
Sabians are stainless steel vs. a proprietary bronze alloy with the L80's. To me the Sabians are a bit "clangy" metallic (I've played both up close) - Zildjians sound warmer and more pleasing to me. Also check out the Meinl HCS low volume...even though the HCS are a beginners cymbal, the low volume versions are a brass alloy that sounds actually pretty good...
Sabian are louder and sound better to my ears. I normally play A Customs. They need to come out with in between, like a medium volume. Heads too. The mesh heads are just a little too quiet. I don't have people under or next to me, I'm just too loud at night and that's the only time I have sometimes
Thanks so much for the comparisons! I was already leaning towards the Sabian and thi as clinches it for me. I'm actually gonna try using them in the bars and outdoor gigs I play.
Unless there's noise restrictions at the bars and outdoor gigs you play at, I strongly wouldn't recommend in picking these up if your looking for some gigging cymbals. These are more suited for practicing late at night tbh
It makes me excited there are a few people that spot what's real
I have a four piece Remo practice pad kit from probably, the late 60's--early 70's.. which, I love. Would enjoy having some noiseless hihats and a ride to practice with for *RELATIVELY* low-volume..... referring to the Remo practice kit, not the silent cymbals. Actually, disturbed a neighbor in my (next door) apartment with my Remo practice kit. What a major WIMP.
I've always been a Zildjian player. But if I'm going to be honest the Sabian sound better. Darn it!
I won't tell Zildjian if you pay me $500.00 or send me a priceless family heirloom. LOL.
The Zildjians sound like cymbals...the Sabians sound like dinner chimes
@Veer Chasm Hehe, i heard the exact opposite! (btw playing Zildjian K Custom on my drumsets)
agreed
Completely agree. The Sabians sound like my keys. I really like the dry, smoky sound of the Zildjians. Going to make the jump for these !
I'm digging the sabian quiet tone Cymbals
Thanks Tom, have a good day.
Agean Cymbals R-Series..works and sound the best for my preferences..
It's so satisfying whenever somebody ascertains it
The sabian FRX are awsome for low volume stuff also! They’re not super quiet like these here but still amazing and the sound quality is great
I am joyful that people spot this
Zildjian for the win!
Fanboy alert ahaha, dont be mad ;)
@@JayCord00 I'm not a Zildjian fanboy. I play Saluda.
@@JayCord00 you could have just said nothing.
I'll be getting those for christmas this year
I am certainly delighted when someone other than me understands what's real
$45 FOR RIMRISER? ITS JUST A TINY PIECE OF WOOD
mick taylor so a patented piece of wood
Cost to build, market, and distribute + cost of materials. Labor, taxes, shipping, and on...
Even a drum stick is just a piece of wood but still costs some dollars for a good one.
Just like drumsticks
In Norway we usually pay 15 dollars for stuff that costs less than 1 dollar to make... people are supposed to earn money for such stuff apparently....
People think these are for quiet gigs but honestly the ride is perfect for drum and bass too :)
comments below say sabians sound better. sure they do, but we're going for sound suppression here and the L80's are the clear winners. we're going for muscle memory and mechanics for apartment dwellers here and not sound quality, necessarily. ima get the zildjians.
Thank you! Yours is the best comment of the whole thread. Ninety percent of the other comments are discussing their merits in the context of a regular cymbal. They are not designed to sound like regular cymbals. They are designed to provide the experience of using a normal cymbal, but in a quiet way. Kind of funny to see so many people lose sight of that so quickly...
I'd like to hear the silent cymbals recorded close-mic'd (from underneath perhaps). Thinking about a silent band practice setup. Drum trigger module hi hat and cymbal samples always suck. Plus the crappy electronic hi hat pedals have no "in-between" open and close. Wondering if these (mic'd up) would sound better mixed in with the triggered drums.
lmao that Lars outta nowhere
Thank you much for this video helped alot. It helped because i am looking to get quieter cymbals and this video showed the difference in sound and volume between Zildjian and Sabian. I like some Zildjian cymbals but have leaned towards Sabian due to their "cleaner" sound.
But, though the Sabian quiet volume cymbals sounded a little better, i will actually get the Zildjian low volume because they were even still quieter.
Plus that rim shot was real cool of which i need to get.
Well done and thanks alot.
Give us a call, we have them in stock!
@@drumcenternh sounds good.
i love my sabians.mesh heads on acustic drums
As a Sabian guy, I'll admit the Zildjin's are a tad quieter however I barely if at all heard any sustain from them, unlike the Sabian's making them sound better.
It makes me certainly joyful when somebody other than me observes what's right
There is sustain on the Zildjian quiet tone cymbals. They are darker sounding and quieter sounding than the Sabians. The Sabians have a higher "tin" sounding quality than the Zildjians. The feel off the stick from the Zildjian's is great.
Are those all 14" hi-hats? I've seen the Zildjian kit slightly smaller, with 13" hats, that are about $100 cheaper than the one with the 14". And I wonder how much of a difference it makes to the sound
*sees RimRiser*
"Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well."
satisfying when somebody aside from myself observes what's what
At this time, Grux-X Percussion has released the X-Click, a redesigned Groove Wedge, sounds better than the original.
Hmmm....gotta give these a try with the silent heads.....I gotta e -kit with mesh heads not to bother neighbors...but these might work out to...
Wow. Remarkable! Thanks!
I am glad there are a few people that notice it
Honestly, I like the Zildjian better
Sabian, if you are reading this, I love your products and Zildjian's
Sabian:50
Zildjian:50
There's gotta be a solution somewhere in between for lower volume electric & acoustic gigs. Sabian FRX is headed in right direction, but still too much alot of the time
I’ve recently bought a 16” and 18” HCS set of meinls. I like them,but they should be listed as low volume. A friend took back his 18” Zildjian medium thin Z cymbal and so I bought two of these to accompany my zbt 14” and 20”...until I’ve saved enough to buy a quality set of cymbals,the company will be chosen at such time. Maybe you guys can help me identify my zildjian hihats? Zildjian never got back to me through emailing the serial number. They’re really thick 14” cymbals and the ink has worn off and I can’t figure out what they are? The bells aren’t lathed,either. Serial # isn’t noticeable,but I think they’re avedis? It’s inked and not stamped. Don’t get me wrong,I like the ZBTs...especially the bell on the ride.
Zildjian L80 for me when it comes to decibel down
It is satisfying a person aside from myself notices what's good
I got the Sabian Quiet Tone cymbals from Sweetwater, which is weird because I play Zildjian cymbals. Oh well.
Love the Sabian hats! Ride too. I'd be stoked to play them in a coffee house gig or indoor gathering. Cost on the Sabians?
Links in the description! Thanks for watching.
Now that trick, evans and wuhan have entered the chat, there should be a head to head with all of them.
The zildjian crashes sound the same, so, for the first time I'll say i liked a Sabian product.
I’ve recently bought a 16” and 18” HCS set of meinls. I like them,but they should be listed as low volume. A friend took back his 18” Zildjian medium thin Z cymbal and so I bought two of these to accompany my zbt 14” and 20”...until I’ve saved enough to buy a quality set of cymbals,the company will be chosen at such time. Maybe you guys can help me identify my zildjian hihats? Zildjian never got back to me through emailing the serial number. They’re really thick 14” cymbals and the ink has worn off and I can’t figure out what they are? The bells aren’t lathed,either. Serial # isn’t noticeable,but I think they’re avedis? It’s inked and not stamped.
Does the rim riser have an option with a longer lug for DW True Pitch?
Do you think these would be a good option for a church drum kit where regular cymbals are just too loud without putting me behind a shield.
I'm so torn. I literally don't know which ones to get. I love the look of the Sabians ad they'll cut thru when im playing with headphones on my electronic kit. But The Zildjians are even quieter so... I think i'll go for volume over looks in the end but i'll save up the money for set & stands first then decide.
For practice equipment at home, equipment that is not meant to go out, looks are at-best of secondary importance.
Practice cymbals could look like pieces of cardboard but if the rebound was right I'd use 'em.
The wuhan quiet cymbals are actually decent as well, especially for the money!
If I were to buy those cymbals to record with, and trigger replace shells, would I get enough OH and room mic volume and would it sound “normal”?
I wanna get these and put Triggers on them for my Electronic kit...
tapping the back with gaffer tape to get them even quieter...
Very useful, thank you man!
sabian's ride was much better, but I like the L80's for every other kind of cymbal.
Just bought the sabians
Which one of the two brands fits better with the RTom Black Hole pads? Volume wise
Probably L80s.
Which low volume cymbals do you recommend?
zildjian L80
What is the hihat used to compare?
Agean R Series low volume cymbals may be a better option.
Does anyone know the sound intensity level of the Zildjians in *dB* ?
I think they are 80db. That's why they are L80. Sabian are about 90. Both considerably more quiet than standard cymbals.
@@johnburkhalter3880 thank you
What size are the L80s used in the video? Cheers
Hi, Vans. 20, 18, 16, 14. Thanks for watching, stay safe!
L80's are the obvious winner of the quiet war.
But for tonality, I'd love to see a shootout between Gen16 and Quiet Tone.
My bare Gens are really good...crisp and quiet but sound like real cymbals.
Do you have a brother named Sam?
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they look cool
Hey, Tom, do you like drums made from...wait for it...Ash? LOL. Sorry! Me and my little jokes...
Ha, those Istanbuls sound pretty good. 🤭
Does anybody know how these fair at a live gig? I love the idea of having a quiet stage
It would be awful
@@shadowstealer5 🤣🤣🤣absolutely
Sabian sound better especially in section at 3:08 The Zildjan cymbals comparison after sound too similar.
Zildjian awesome 🤩 best !
Will the Rim Riser fit die-cast hoops?
Thx a lot!
The sabians sound better, look better, and each cymbal has its own tone and much more definition than the zildjians.
I agree, and this coming from a 30yr Zildjian player/endorser. 😬
Thanks for this. Just made me 100% sure I'll stick with "normal" cymbals. They sound like toys. Not at all a knock on the video, more so just saying the manufacturer has a long way to go.
These aren't for normal purposes: they're for practicing in a quiet environment. It's not reasonable to construct a cymbal that sounds exactly like a normal cymbal but have it be quieter.
Kool!☝
Don't know that we needed the real cymbals in there for comparison...?!? LOL
I'm a Zildjian fan and I must admit the Sabians sound better here.
Are the Zildjian L-80s made in the US?
So for practice, these would be good...but probably not for recording.
What is the snare!
That is a 14x5.5 Gretsch Full Range Brushed Brass.
Team Zildjian
I literally only picked Sabian because it's cheaper!😂
So if you are on a budget, buy some used sabians and sandblast them? Either that or sell one of my kidneys I guess.
Then should make something called quiet drums, i know it’s an oxymoron, but it would be nice to have everything quiet so someone won’t have to leave the room just so you can play drums
Just get some electric drumheads and swap them. Ez Pzy 🍋 squeezy
Drums are so loud that drowns out the cymbals. They don't sound anything like any of the videos. You need to hear them live.
in this category Sabians are brigther than Zildjian.
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z > s
am i the only one who thinks the sabians absolutely blow zildjian away on this one?? i can't stand the zildjian i would rather bang on a lid then pay for those things... but that's just me
I thought they sounded better but if they are louder it may defeat it's purpose.
けけけけけけえ
The sound guy is on drugs
Nope. Just the video guy. 🍄
Adam Frost I found my headphones die. So I changed headphone and now I can hear it properly.
Zildjian made in USA, Sabian QT made in China
And your point is?? Let me guess your American
Here we go again with the "Buy American" stigma! Look Zildjian is a Turkish company so if they employ Americans then that's great but my $ is always going towards Value & Quality!
@@mingmerci6103 I am but I am not anti-China. In fact I use many CHinese-made products myself. Just pointing out the difference in manufacturing origin because generally, but not always, American-made products cost more.
@@callen7436 Actually Zildjian is a 100% American-owned company located in Norwell, Massachusetts, USA, and all our cymbals, from L80 to Planet Z to K Constantinople, are made here in Massachusetts. The company was, of course, founded in Turkey in 1623, but moved to Quincy, Masachusetts in 1929. The Zildjian L80 offer great value and quality, a 2-year warranty, and are quieter than the other similar cymbals on the market.
@@andrewe.schlosser7625 Now that's what I'm talking about! Just researched them and yes they are quieter. Which line do I go with cause I havent been with Zildjian since mid - 90s? Maybe the As??? Anyway, Thank you Andrew!
that was the saddest and winded explanation I have come across